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Speaker 1: Health Minister has asked for a please explain after learning

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Speaker 1: that Health New Zealand has decided to make GP visits

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Speaker 1: in Hawks Bay free for fourteen to twenty four year

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Speaker 1: olds if they're Mari or Pacifica. This is very much

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Speaker 1: out of step with what the coalition government's policies are.

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Speaker 1: Act Party Leader and Associate Health Minister David Seymour.

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Speaker 2: Is with us.

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Speaker 1: He David, heyither, what are you going to do about it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we're relying on our Minister of Health to issue

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Speaker 2: the please explain. Technically they can say that it's operational,

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Speaker 2: but at the end of the day they will very

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Speaker 2: soon face a Cabinet circular, a directive to the entire

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Speaker 2: public service which they must follow that says public services

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Speaker 2: must be delivered on need not race, which is an

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Speaker 2: Act Party coalition commitment that is going to be released imminently,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's going to fine, finally make it

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Speaker 2: official for these bureaucrat to it. Kind of like those

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Speaker 2: Japanese soldiers after World War II. They're all through the

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Speaker 2: public service, still fighting the war, but I can tell

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Speaker 2: them the war's over.

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Speaker 1: So is it the case that despite what you guys

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Speaker 1: may say, short of the circular. Despite what you guys

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Speaker 1: may say at the moment, howth New Zealand could just

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Speaker 1: give you the finger and carry on?

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Speaker 2: Well, you can put it that way. I'd describe it

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Speaker 2: this way. It's not like flicking a switch. So yep,

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Speaker 2: there'll be people out there who say, well, we voted

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Speaker 2: for you guys, for change, why hasn't this change. Ultimately,

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Speaker 2: the New Zealand government, I think, is about a quarter

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Speaker 2: million people and it's all about getting change in behavior

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Speaker 2: and attitude. And some of them, of course, their starting

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Speaker 2: point is totally opposed. They won't have voted for the government.

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Speaker 2: They think that they can undermine it. But over time

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Speaker 2: we subdue them and say, actually, know that the people

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand do want this. And the ultimate persuasion

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Speaker 2: is that we are all human. Universal humanity is what

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Speaker 2: unites us, and the sooner we start focusing on that

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Speaker 2: rather than making ethnicity our primary characteristic, the sooner we

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Speaker 2: can get stuck into addressing the real issues like poor

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Speaker 2: quality housing and diet.

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Speaker 1: Do you think how New Zealand is trying to be

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Speaker 1: defined and undermine the government.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt there will be people there who

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Speaker 2: genuinely believe in the ideology that the Treaty of White

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Speaker 2: Tongue is a partnership between races, and therefore we should

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Speaker 2: first approach New Zealanders as members of a racial group.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying they know full well with the government's

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Speaker 1: position on the stuff is, and they're just being defined

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Speaker 1: and carrying on anyway?

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Speaker 2: Well, put it this way, if they don't know what

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Speaker 2: the government's position is, I'm not really sure how else myself,

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Speaker 2: Chris lux and Winston Peters or any other member of

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Speaker 2: the coalition government, we've been saying it pretty clearly and

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Speaker 2: very soon we will issue a cabinet circular.

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Speaker 1: How hard is it to issue this cabinet circular? It's

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Speaker 1: just a notification. Why don't you get onto it?

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Speaker 2: Well, we actually have done it. But what I would

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Speaker 2: say is that it's not as simple as just saying everything,

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Speaker 2: need not rape. What we have done and you'll see

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Speaker 2: it soon is outlined exactly how you go through the

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Speaker 2: process of saying, okay, there's some people who aren't doing

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Speaker 2: so well healthwise, let's look at all the reasons for that.

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Speaker 2: So I mentioned housing, for example, living in rural areas,

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Speaker 2: being poorer, you know, perhaps lifestyle choice, is smoking, eating,

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Speaker 2: and so on. Let's look at all the data, at

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Speaker 2: all the evidence, and hey, if all of that stuff notwithstanding,

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Speaker 2: there's still a difference between Mari and non Murray, then

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Speaker 2: I don't mind targeting Mario as a group. But let's

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Speaker 2: use the actual data because I think what you'll often find, well,

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Speaker 2: actually it reminds me of you'll mate Paddy Gower, who

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Speaker 2: once said I want David Seymour to tell me why

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Speaker 2: a person living right next door to this house lives

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Speaker 2: seven years less than a Pakia. And the thing is, Paddy,

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Speaker 2: he was in a house in gray Lynn. Now a

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Speaker 2: person that lives in a five million dollar villa in

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Speaker 2: gray Lynn probably has a whole lot of other features

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Speaker 2: about them that means they are going to live a

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Speaker 2: long period at a time, such as their wealth and

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Speaker 2: health and education and so on. And then that's first

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Speaker 2: of all, Patty Gower, as has been showing on your show,

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Speaker 2: as not a deep thinker. But second of all, we

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Speaker 2: do need deep thinking. We do need to dig into

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Speaker 2: the data and statistics and actually start targeting. Need because

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Speaker 2: once you start looking at the evidence instead of lasily

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Speaker 2: grouping people by race, not only is it less divisive,

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Speaker 2: but you can take a practical approach to Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: it's housing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, David, thank you very much. David SEEWAGC Party Leader,

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Speaker 1: Associate Health Minister. I was going to try to ask

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Speaker 1: David when's the circular coming out? But I thought you

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Speaker 1: could tell by the length of the answers we're going

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Speaker 1: to be here all day if I asked him that

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Speaker 1: quich maybe Laura could ask him on the line, please

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Speaker 1: and then let us know. For more from Heather Duplessy

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