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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story.

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Speaker 2: He'd be good afternoon on the show This evening, Chippy

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Speaker 2: goes NATO on the government's COVID inquiry, says it's platforming

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists. The government responds. Elliot Smith, the voice of

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Speaker 2: Rugby on the AB's Captain out for France, Marco Rubio's

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Speaker 2: former chiefest staffers on the program talking about Nettanya, who's

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Speaker 2: meeting with Trump at the White House? Is One News

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Speaker 2: fair and balanced? A question for you this afternoon. Plus

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Speaker 2: we'll do an OCR preview. The Aussies are about to

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Speaker 2: cut theirs any minute. We'll keep you up to date

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Speaker 2: with that. And Paul Bloxham from HSBC after six All

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Speaker 3: Drive, Bryan Bridge.

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Speaker 2: If we can't get a world class stadium facility built

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Speaker 2: then we need our heads read A bit pissed off

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Speaker 2: about this Auckland arena situation. I'm not sure at this

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Speaker 2: point I'm pissed off at yet. Once I figure that out, though,

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Speaker 2: look out, there'll be hell to pay. It's not every

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Speaker 2: day that a bunch of rich people turn up on

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Speaker 2: your doorstep offering to fund three hundred million dollar gold

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Speaker 2: at no cost to currently broke rate and taxpayers. It's

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Speaker 2: much needed. Everybody knows that we're sporting mad country. We

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Speaker 2: a few proposals in alongside this expensive butt funded one.

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Speaker 2: Council was doing its thing, you know, asking for feedback,

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Speaker 2: then feedback on feedback, and consulting up the wazu. You

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Speaker 2: know what they do, just council being counsel. Then today,

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Speaker 2: before council has even made a decision, the gift horse

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Speaker 2: pulls the proposal. They're withdrawing their plans and funding, and

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Speaker 2: we're left with a chunk of central city land and

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Speaker 2: no money. I have no insider information here. I'm going

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Speaker 2: based purely off what they have put out in their

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Speaker 2: timelines and complexities we have regretfully withdrawn our proposal. These

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Speaker 2: guys have done big projects before. It's Bill Foley for goodness, SAX.

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Speaker 2: You know they've delivered big stadiums before. They've delivered BMO

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Speaker 2: Stadium in Los Angeles. But here in Auckland. Not too

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Speaker 2: hard now. To me, that sounds a little bit like

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Speaker 2: council plus you know, public land plus consultation plus ebe

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Speaker 2: between the lines. Now. There is a chance these guys

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Speaker 2: now failed Auckland Arena, the shame appears to be on us.

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Speaker 2: Shonten afterfore, you're on news talk ZIRB Now. Consultation by

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Speaker 2: Auckland Council took place fourteen thousand submissions rich listers. Twenty

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Speaker 2: percent supported their idea, thirty three percent apparently supported exploring

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Speaker 2: He's on the show. Hey Brent, Hello, good, what are

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Speaker 4: Well, council did recommend, sorry that the stadium people did

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Speaker 4: So something's gone on there. I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 4: but I'm thrilled. I mean I didn't want it anyway.

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Speaker 4: I want to keep Western springs of the concert venue.

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Speaker 2: So you'd be absolutely delighted with this then, Although it

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Speaker 4: No, it doesn't mean the home and hos. It does

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Speaker 4: In fact, go to media amounts, that's where they belong.

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Speaker 2: Luck bring do you how much how much does your

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Speaker 4: And there's the in in our proposal. There is money

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Speaker 2: Right, and that would be funded by who taxpayer?

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Speaker 4: Bet player?

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Speaker 2: Welcome there, thanking all right, someone's got to pay her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, were you either pay with many or will you

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Speaker 4: I think it's really good for you. Count not everything.

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Speaker 2: Brent appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you, Brent Eccles,

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Speaker 2: Nine two the numbers? Text it's thirteen after four. You're

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Speaker 2: on News Talks. There'd be the voice of Rugby on

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Speaker 2: EBB News TALKSBB it is sixteen minutes after four very

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Speaker 2: quick update for you on the Red Sea because this

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Speaker 2: four Ryan and Nathan Limb is here for Sport. Good afternoon, afternoon, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Good to have you here. Now, what's going on with

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Speaker 5: for the All Blacks against France. It remains to be

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Speaker 5: any sort of head and neck contact would result in

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, twenty four minutes after four, great to have

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Speaker 2: This is the Auckland Arena.

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Speaker 2: This is rubbish. This is from Glenn. Glenn, thanks for

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Speaker 2: your text. Ryan. This is rubbish. I'm an architect. I've

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Speaker 2: worked on projects on public land before. Yep. It's challenging,

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Speaker 2: but certainly not impossible. This reeks this decision of the

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Speaker 2: This reeks of a poorly considered concept by a bunch

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Speaker 2: So a cynical power broker tactic. By the way, the

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Speaker 2: But it's sort of It's a hidden box, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: go on, Glenn, thank you for that, Ryan, Why couldn't they?

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Speaker 2: It's good, good afternoon. It is twenty five minutes away

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Speaker 2: from five News Talk Shibby. The Reserve Bank of Australia

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Speaker 8: So we're working with the United States very closely about

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Speaker 3: Something good will happen.

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Speaker 2: Will it be that easy? This Middle East experts.

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Speaker 10: Is no children and Egypt to have stated categorically and

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Speaker 2: Across the Tasman. Robert Irwin has apologized for doing a

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Speaker 2: I have a good night.

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Speaker 12: I see you later.

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Speaker 11: I start my.

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Speaker 13: Life of crime.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: He's just lovely, isn't he? Twenty three away from five

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Speaker 2: This is true. You cannot shake it. Allegations that speaking

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Speaker 14: It's going to be a fascinating few weeks, even though

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of them are getting g

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you'll go on this weekend, go for six days

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Charles, Thanks so much for that, Charles S. Croucher,

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Speaker 3: Time now is twenty five Brian Bridge.

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Speaker 2: And you're on News Talk ZB. There's a new listing out.

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Speaker 2: You know, people love a list. Who's won, who's lost.

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Speaker 2: This is the top world's top ten greenest airlines, which

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Speaker 2: They are number one, emitting fifty three point nine grams

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Speaker 2: That means nothing to me. Hopefully it will mean something

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Speaker 2: to you. Jet Star ranked sixth and was the only

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Speaker 2: long haul flights, this was actually quite interesting. The most

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Speaker 2: improved operator was Latam Airlines Lima to Mexico City emissions

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Speaker 2: down twenty seven percent for them. British Airways he throwed

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Speaker 2: to Philadelphia down twenty one percent. So this is great

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Speaker 2: your longer haul flights. Yeah, emissions are coming down, that's

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Speaker 2: what you want. But overall, because more of us are flying,

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Speaker 2: overall emissions are still going up. Honestly, though, when you

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Speaker 2: get on that plane, you've worked your week, you've finished

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Speaker 2: your week at work, you're tired, you're ready for a holiday.

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Speaker 2: You want to go and relax. Are you sitting there

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Speaker 2: and going I wonder if this is Carmen friendly. No,

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Speaker 2: you're not. You're asking for your next cocktail or champagne.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen away from five News Talks HEDB.

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Speaker 2: Certainty you're on News Talks Hebb. It's just gone quarter

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Speaker 2: to five. So on an interview with The Herald Now

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Speaker 2: with Me this morning, Chris Hapkins came out and said, basically,

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Speaker 2: the COVID inquiry is platforming conspiracy theorists and he's not

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Speaker 2: sure whether he'll attend, even though they have asked or

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Speaker 2: show an interest in him attending and at least answering

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Speaker 2: some questions. Thomas Coglan is The Herald's political editor. He's

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Speaker 2: with me now, Hi, Thomas, Okay, Ryan, what did you

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Speaker 2: make of Chippee's approach.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it's certainly quite combative. I mean, I think he

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Speaker 15: has a point about the fact that the terms of

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Speaker 15: reference beginning in twenty twenty one, which would exclude twenty twenty,

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Speaker 15: the year that New Zealand First is part of the government.

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Speaker 15: I think he's got a point about that, like the

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Speaker 15: Royal Commission should take into consideration allions made during the

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Speaker 15: COVID period. But in terms of platforming those around those

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Speaker 15: people who have conspiracy theorist views, I mean, the government

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Speaker 15: made incredibly intrusive decisions into the lives of a lot

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Speaker 15: of people. Now, many of those people would have views

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Speaker 15: about things like vaccination that a lot of people would

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Speaker 15: regard as being conspiracy theories, like, you know, vaccination is effective,

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Speaker 15: it works, you know, that is just affective life. People

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Speaker 15: who don't believe in that, I would argue that is

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Speaker 15: a conspiracy theory. But it's also true that those people

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Speaker 15: have every you know, the same rights that you and

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Speaker 15: I have, the same rights as all people have, and

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Speaker 15: the government made decisions that intruded upon those rights. And

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Speaker 15: I think a government has to and people part of

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Speaker 15: that government do have an obligation to stand up and

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Speaker 15: justify those decisions. And I think you know, you can ask.

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Speaker 15: I'm sure Crissipkins probably will eventually he can. There is

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Speaker 15: a justification for them. Whether or not those that justifications accepted, well,

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Speaker 15: you know, that's something that'll be decided in the future.

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Speaker 15: But certainly I think you have an obligation as a

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Speaker 15: decision maker in that time to answer those questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and do you not run the risk of I mean,

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Speaker 2: this was Labour's problem last time, right, they ostracized people,

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Speaker 2: they othered them, They lost Auckland because they did this.

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Speaker 2: They didn't understand the depth of feeling here. Does he

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Speaker 2: run the risk of reigniting those old wounds? I mean, yes,

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 15: I mean, particularly in Auckland, where I think and I

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Speaker 15: have a knowledge that they lost you know, they really

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Speaker 15: lost Auckland and they have an Auckland problem. And he's

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Speaker 15: spending a lot of time up there. Barbara Edmonds is

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Speaker 15: also spending a lot of time up there, and you

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Speaker 15: do I think you do. There does need to be eventually,

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Speaker 15: this sort of issue needs to be put to bed.

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Speaker 15: And maybe part of it is the fact as sort

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Speaker 15: of answering to some of those concerns saying your peace

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Speaker 15: and the people, you know, the people who he's anxious

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Speaker 15: about being platformed, they might want to have their piece

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Speaker 15: as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, first three Waters entity.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Selwyn, So this is this is the first three

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Speaker 15: waters entity under the new three waters system. The last

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Speaker 15: government had there three waters entities legislated and then they

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Speaker 15: were disbanded. So this is the sort of the new

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Speaker 15: voluntary system that the Coalition has has has set up.

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Speaker 15: So Selwyn's the first council in the country's launch its

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Speaker 15: new water services entity, Selwyn Water Wellington Wellington, which I mean,

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Speaker 15: let's face it, Wellington's on the naughty list as far

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Speaker 15: as water water services is concerned. Wellington's Metro water is

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Speaker 15: also is also getting started as well. And that's a

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Speaker 15: that's a covers covers a large number of councils in

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Speaker 15: a large number of councils in the Wellington region. So

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Speaker 15: so I have to say, as a Wellingtonian, I'm very

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Speaker 15: interested to see whether they managed to fix the pipes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be nice, wouldn't it. Hey, what about rate capping?

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Speaker 2: This has been in the news today. Is this anything

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Speaker 2: we actually need to pay attention to the Government's not

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Speaker 2: actually doing it yet.

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Speaker 16: Are they.

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Speaker 15: They are looking at it, and they've said that they will,

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Speaker 15: that they are continuing to work on it. Chris Pipkins

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Speaker 15: was saying this morning that he thinks it's not a

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Speaker 15: great idea, disagrees with it, and basically said that the

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Speaker 15: reason the government's looking at rate capping as rates are

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Speaker 15: going up because the government axed the three Waters reforms

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Speaker 15: that labor was putting into force. I think the current

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Speaker 15: government is keen to look at rate capping because once

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Speaker 15: water services are lifted off council balance sheets, then there

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Speaker 15: is a risk that councils may use that headroom to

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Speaker 15: rate to put up rates and continue to put up

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Speaker 15: rates and spend the money on things that that perhaps

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Speaker 15: wouldn't be counted as core services.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, good point, Thomas, Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for that. Good to have you on the show. As always,

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Speaker 2: Thomas Coglan, the New Zealand Herald political editor. Time is

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Speaker 2: ten to five. Just a little quick for you. This

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Speaker 2: is from this morning on HEROLD Now with myself and

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins.

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Speaker 10: I think the terms of reference have been deliberately constructed

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Speaker 10: to achieve a particular outcome, particularly around are providing a

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Speaker 10: platform for those who have conspiracy theorists views that seems

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Speaker 10: to have been specifically written into the terms of reference

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Speaker 10: that they get maximum na.

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Speaker 17: Do you know why, because telling people they have conspiracy

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Speaker 17: theorist views doesn't stop them having conspiracy theorist views, and

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Speaker 17: in many cases, as you discovered on the Law of Parliament,

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Speaker 17: you make them worse.

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Speaker 2: So Chris Hipkins clearly coming out with a bit of

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Speaker 2: an agenda. I think he's completely wrong. I think this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff will cost them votes. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: why more are at seventeen this evening. I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: exactly why I think this is going to hurt him.

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Speaker 2: And it's not because of some conspiracy theorists. Because like

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Speaker 2: it or not, there are people out there who are

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Speaker 2: not conspiracy theorists, but who don't like the way that

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Speaker 2: the conspiracy theorists were treated by the previous guy government.

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Speaker 2: A lot of those people reside in Auckland because they

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Speaker 2: were stuck inside month on month on month and lockdown,

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Speaker 2: a lockdown the Wellington MPs didn't experience. Brook Van Valden

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Speaker 2: responds to this two after five News Talks EVB, putting.

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Speaker 1: The time questions to the newspeakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: The government has made significant changes to the Flagship Family

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Speaker 18: Boost program. Kathy Wolf is the chief executive of Early

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Speaker 18: Childhood New Zealand. This change is going to make a difference.

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Speaker 19: So definitely make it to another too.

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Speaker 20: More families, not a hell of a lot, though not

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Speaker 20: a lot.

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Speaker 18: You don't think the sixteen thousand families predicted.

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Speaker 20: No, I still think there's still too many barriers in

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Speaker 20: terms of access to theirs rebate.

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Speaker 18: This is in terms of the people collecting the invoices

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Speaker 18: for three months and then filing it after the fact.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and also the fact that many of these families

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Speaker 20: who really need it still have to pay the fees

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Speaker 20: up front. So for us, the better way to do

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Speaker 20: something like this is to really put it in the

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Speaker 20: hands providers to help families afford the fees.

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Speaker 1: Hither duplicy Ellen on the mic asking Breakfast fact Moral

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Speaker 1: at six am with Bailey's real Estate on News.

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Speaker 2: Talks d B. It is six minutes away from five

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Speaker 2: year on news Talk said B. Coming up after five,

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Speaker 2: we'll get to Brook van Valden, the minister, COVID minister

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Speaker 2: on the inquiry. What does she think about Chippy's comments.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk to Shane Currer. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why I did it with a British accent, but

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Speaker 2: Shane Curry is from our newsroom and he's going to

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Speaker 2: talk about TV one TV one six pm news are

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Speaker 2: they biased or not? We'll put that one to bed.

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Speaker 2: They've got someone coming in apparently checking like checking what's

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Speaker 2: in your bag if you've got any Marxist ideology in there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how they check this stuff, but we'll

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Speaker 2: find out. Right now, this is the most important thing

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Speaker 2: you'll hear today. Primates that's us, including the apeses, include

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Speaker 2: the monkeys. Two hundred species. Primates, that's us. New research

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Speaker 2: today has contradicted the commonly held idea that males dominate

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Speaker 2: females among primates, revealing far more nuanced power dynamics in

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Speaker 2: the relationships of our close relatives. Usually, of course, the

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Speaker 2: man eats, the woman cook's, man watches TV, woman cleans.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's the sort of stereotype I suppose who

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Speaker 2: dominates when it comes to primates. New study published in

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Speaker 2: the journal PNAS PNAS the French German journal PNAS, researchers

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Speaker 2: combed through scientific literature for interactions between male and female

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Speaker 2: primates that would reveal their hierarchical relationships. These included aggression threats,

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Speaker 2: signs of dominant or submissive behavior, like when one primate

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Speaker 2: spontaneously moves out of the way for another, then you

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Speaker 2: can you can observe that that one is submissive.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So, over five years, the team gathers data from two

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three populations across one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 2: one primate species. So they've done. They've done the work.

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Speaker 2: Confrontations between members of the opposite sex were much more

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Speaker 2: frequent than they had previously thought, so fight a lot more.

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Speaker 2: Half of them were between men and women of male

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Speaker 2: and female, which is interesting anyway, Males clearly domin females.

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Speaker 2: Out of all of these interactions over all of these years,

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Speaker 2: they won, and only seventeen percent of cases females dominating

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Speaker 2: they won the argument, and thirteen percent of cases, So

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Speaker 2: in the vast majority of arguments amongst primates, seventy percent,

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Speaker 2: either a male or a female could be top of

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Speaker 2: the pecking order. So when somebody asks you who wears

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Speaker 2: the pants in your house? I mean, honestly, it could

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Speaker 2: be anybody, couldn't it. We're no different to the apes.

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Speaker 2: We're no well, I mean slightly, but we're no different

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Speaker 2: to the monkeys. So who wears the pants at your house?

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, that's the question. Three minutes away from five

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Speaker 2: your own Newstalk, said be Brock van Velden.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good, you think Tuesday the age of July.

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Speaker 2: Great to have your company just gone seven after five.

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Speaker 2: Labour's Chris Hipkins making headlines today for saying the COVID inquiry,

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Speaker 2: which is underway, the terms of reference provide a platform

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Speaker 2: for conspiracy theorists. He made these comments with me on

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Speaker 2: our Herald now streaming breakfast show this morning.

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Speaker 10: I think the terms of reference have been deliberately constructed

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Speaker 10: to achieve a particular outcome, particularly around are providing a

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Speaker 10: platform for those who have conspiracy theorists views.

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Speaker 2: He was noncommittal on whether he would appear before the

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Speaker 2: COVID inquiry. It comes after increasing pressure him and Justsina

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Speaker 2: are doing to do so. Internal Affairs Minster Brook van

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Speaker 2: Walden with me, Minister, good evening, Good evening, Ryan, What

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Speaker 2: did you make of those comments from the leader of

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Speaker 2: the opposition.

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Speaker 6: Oh, look, I think they're really unhelpful, to be honest.

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Speaker 6: I mean we were hearing a lot of division during

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Speaker 6: COVID about people feeling like they weren't listened to and

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Speaker 6: the reason that the terms of reference had been expanded

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Speaker 6: by the act Party was because we did listen to

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Speaker 6: people who said that they wanted the inquiry to be

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Speaker 6: fulsome and to find the truth so that we when

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Speaker 6: we have another pandemic, we have less division and we

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Speaker 6: have a better response and instead of having divisive rhetoric

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Speaker 6: once again up here, we should really be bringing people

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Speaker 6: together and that's really what the Inquiry and the commissioners

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Speaker 6: have done, so that we can actually hear the truths

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Speaker 6: of the argument and we can have better recommendations for

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Speaker 6: the future. But are they conspiracy theorists when you're bringing

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Speaker 6: on GPS people who are from hospitality sector, aged concern principles,

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Speaker 6: And yes there are some people who didn't like vaccine mandates,

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Speaker 6: but they have a right to their opinion too.

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Speaker 2: He says that you guys have manufactured this, that it

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Speaker 2: doesn't include the period under which there was a coalition

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Speaker 2: between Labor and New Zealand.

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Speaker 21: First, well, no, that's not true. That's not the reason

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Speaker 21: for it. You know, went out and ask reason Well,

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Speaker 21: we went out and asked New Zealanders what would you

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Speaker 21: like to see in a new terms of reference? And

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Speaker 21: they came back with over thirteen thousand submissions saying lockdowns

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Speaker 21: were really important. Those extended lockdowns are the vaccine mandate

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Speaker 21: and efficacy, and also whether or not we've got that

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Speaker 21: balance right between public health outcomes and overall outcomes.

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Speaker 2: Totally society and ATOTOTY understand that. But we had lockdowns

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. So why did we exclude it

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Speaker 2: to the period after which New Zealand first had exited

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Speaker 2: the building.

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Speaker 6: Yes, so it had nothing to do with which political

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Speaker 6: parties were in power. It was to do with the

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Speaker 6: decisions that were being made and what we saw with

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Speaker 6: the decisions. Most of those decisions came through in twenty

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Speaker 6: twenty one. It's from the people who submitted into the

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Speaker 6: inquiry as to those new terms of reference. So would

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Speaker 6: it have been relevant to go back and look at

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Speaker 6: all of it? No, I didn't deem that necessary. I

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Speaker 6: looked at what were the big pain points, and especially

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Speaker 6: as the pandemic lingered on and the government kept making

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Speaker 6: more and more decisions to extend lockdowns and to have

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Speaker 6: extensions to the vaccine mandate. You program, So you're saying

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Speaker 6: that the areas.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no pressure was put on you or any minister

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Speaker 2: or any decision maker in government from anyone within the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand First Party to narrow the dates of this inquiry.

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Speaker 6: That's absolutely right, Ryan. Any suggestion of that fact is

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Speaker 6: not taking this inquiry seriously. It is incredibly important that

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Speaker 6: when governments are making decisions in the future when it

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Speaker 6: comes to the pandemic and how we deal with them,

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Speaker 6: that we are having a better response than we had

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Speaker 6: last time round. And we know that, Yes, there were

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Speaker 6: decisions made at various points in time during the pandemic,

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Speaker 6: but what became very.

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Speaker 1: Clear is key.

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Speaker 6: We want to know when decisions were made, when information

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Speaker 6: was changing and the COVID COVID pandemic was progressing. How

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Speaker 6: were those decisions being made over time?

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Speaker 2: Do you minister? Do you know which former ministers and

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Speaker 2: prime ministers have been asked to answer questions?

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Speaker 6: I don't know that. So my role is really just

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Speaker 6: to establish the inquiry.

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Speaker 2: And to have it. Do you know if someone is

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Speaker 2: out of the country, if they are asked to appear

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Speaker 2: and they're in the country, they have to. If they're

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Speaker 2: out of the country, they don't. Do you know if

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Speaker 2: there's any repercussions when you come back into New Zealand

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Speaker 2: or is that to sort of it?

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Speaker 6: I don't know that specific answer to that question, Ryan,

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Speaker 6: But my hope would be that everybody who was asked

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Speaker 6: to front would do so in the benefits of all

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Speaker 6: New Zealanders, and I certainly would expect that to happen.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Brot van Valden, whose Internal Affairs Minister

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Speaker 2: time is twelve after five, Ryan Bridge. So Chump's had

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Speaker 2: his dinner with Nettan Yahill in the White House. They

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Speaker 2: had a chinwag about working towards a ceasefire deal with Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Still haven't quite got one the possibility, of course, of

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Speaker 2: a two state solution.

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Speaker 8: I think Parst Citing should have all the parts to

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Speaker 8: govern themselves, but none of the posts would threaten us.

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Speaker 8: And that means the certain powers like overall security will

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Speaker 8: always remain in our hands. Now that is a fact,

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Speaker 8: and no one in Israel will agree to anything else

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Speaker 8: because we don't commit sulsd now.

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Speaker 2: Matt Terrell is managing partner of Firehouse Strategies, former chief

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Speaker 2: of staff to Marco Rubio in the twenty sixteen campaign.

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Speaker 2: Matts with me on the show. Hi, Matt, it sounds

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Speaker 2: like Trump's yeah, right, sounds like Trump is optimistic about

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Speaker 2: a ceasefire.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, look, I think

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Speaker 22: the President and his team are optimistic about a ceasefire

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Speaker 22: and for the opportunity really to finalize a piece deal

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Speaker 22: and to get the piece with respect to the war

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Speaker 22: between Israel and Hamas. And you know President from campaign

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Speaker 22: and ending wars, and I think his goal of course

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Speaker 22: is to end this war and to get the peace.

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Speaker 2: And then of course, of what happens after that, I

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Speaker 2: know that's a few days away, but what happens to

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Speaker 2: you know, refa after that. You're hearing about people wanting

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Speaker 2: to rip it up and build a new and all

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Speaker 2: sorts of different things.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I think we just need to take this one

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Speaker 22: step at a time, you know. To your point, that's

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Speaker 22: kind of in the future, and obviously certainly the administration

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Speaker 22: have to work on next steps here with the Prime

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Speaker 22: Minister of Israel and other individuals, of course, But in

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Speaker 22: the micro, it's get into that piece deal, it's getting

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Speaker 22: to a ceasefire, and part of that is going to

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Speaker 22: be dynamics as relates to getting hostages home. So there's

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Speaker 22: multiple things that need to take place here just to

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Speaker 22: get frankly to a ceasefire, to get to a piece

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Speaker 22: deal and then from there, to your point, it is

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Speaker 22: certainly next steps, But I think this administration feels cognant

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Speaker 22: about the direction of where things are going here. Obviously,

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Speaker 22: they met with the Prime Minister of Israel this evening

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Speaker 22: at a dinner they opened up talking to the press

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Speaker 22: about President Trump did talking to the press at the

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Speaker 22: beginning of that dinner about what he expects and what

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Speaker 22: he wants to do here in terms of getting the piece.

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Speaker 22: But obviously a lot of moving parts here. By think

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Speaker 22: this administration feels optimistic about betting the piece, then of

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Speaker 22: course about next steps as well.

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Speaker 2: How on the right is Gaza for your average American.

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Speaker 22: Well, certainly on the radar. I mean, look, this is

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Speaker 22: obviously something that you know, Americans have been focused in on,

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Speaker 22: but obviously there's other conflicts taking place as well. Obviously

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Speaker 22: Americans want to see, you know, the end of wars.

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Speaker 22: You know, Americans voted for the majority of Americans obviously

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Speaker 22: voted for at least President Trump, and one of the

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Speaker 22: things he campaigned on was ending wars. That includes this

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Speaker 22: war between Israel and hamas of course the war between

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Speaker 22: Ukraine and Russia. And so look, the bottom line is

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Speaker 22: I think President Trump is doing everything he can, at

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Speaker 22: least in his view, to get these wars to come

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Speaker 22: to an end. This is something that the majority of

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Speaker 22: Americans voted on. This was on the ballot, if you will,

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Speaker 22: in the last presential election. And of course there's other

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Speaker 22: things taking place right now. We've had the passage of

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Speaker 22: President Trump's One Big Beautiful Bill. There's a lot go

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Speaker 22: down to the best at front here of course as well

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Speaker 22: recently in the United States. But no question, Americans are

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Speaker 22: focused on foreign policy and they want to see an

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Speaker 22: end of wars.

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Speaker 2: He's no doubt head wins in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Looks like he's feeling like he's had winds too. Is

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Speaker 2: the public kind of behind him on that?

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Speaker 22: Well, I think where the public is, at least with

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Speaker 22: President Trump just in general, is you know, and foremost,

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Speaker 22: I think President Trump has a lot of momentum right now.

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Speaker 22: You know, I think whether it's with a lot of

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Speaker 22: American supporting what he does relates to the airstrikes in Iran,

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Speaker 22: or whether it's you know, recently seen some domestic wins

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Speaker 22: for him as relates to his One Big Beautiful buill

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Speaker 22: getame passed. You know, he hit a recent you know

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Speaker 22: win if you will, at the Supreme Court here in

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Speaker 22: the United States, and then in the end, I think,

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Speaker 22: you know, him having momentum right now as it goes

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Speaker 22: into these peace discussions or negotiations if you will, to

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Speaker 22: end these wars, including Israel and Hamas, the war between

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Speaker 22: Israel and Hamas. You know, I think he's got momentum

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Speaker 22: right now with the American people, obvious Americans who disagreed

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Speaker 22: with what President Trump is doing both foreign policy and

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Speaker 22: domestic front. But right now, I think he's had a

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Speaker 22: good stretch here at least over the past couple of

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Speaker 22: days of big wins, and when you're a president and

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Speaker 22: you had that kind of momentum that helps you just

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Speaker 22: on all fronts. And right now you saw what he

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Speaker 22: did this evening at the dinner. You know, that's one

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Speaker 22: step forward here. I think this administration of getting this

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Speaker 22: war to come to an end between Israel and Hamas

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Speaker 22: obviously a ways to go here. It sounds like by

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Speaker 22: this administration feels good about where they're at and about

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Speaker 22: the direction forward here.

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Speaker 2: All right, Matt, thanks so much for that. That's Matt Terrell,

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Speaker 2: who's managing partner of Firehouse Strategies, former chief staff for

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Speaker 2: Marco Rubio in his twenty sixteen campaign, talking about that

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Speaker 2: meeting between Netanyahu and Trump at the White House. Time

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Speaker 2: now seventeen after five Coming up next Shane Curry from

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Speaker 2: The Herald on is and we get so much feedback

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Speaker 2: about this on the text machine. Is TV one news

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Speaker 2: biased or not? News Talk ZB? It is five twenty

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Speaker 2: TV and zed's launching an independent review to check its

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Speaker 2: news for balance and bias. It follows Media Minister Paul

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Speaker 2: Goldsmith signaling his desire to see trust and media statistics

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Speaker 2: improve for the state broadcasters. Shane Curries, the media insider

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Speaker 2: at The Herald and with me tonight Hi, Shane evening Ryan.

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Speaker 2: So are they biased?

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Speaker 23: It depends depends on the viewer right. Certainly. The feedback

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Speaker 23: that TV and Z will get, and all media organizations

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Speaker 23: generally will get, is that some people will like your story,

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Speaker 23: some people won't. And that is especially so with political coverage.

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Speaker 23: And I've noticed it just in the last two or

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Speaker 23: three years covering TVNS here quite closely. The number of

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Speaker 23: emails I receive about their political coverage especially is quite telling.

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Speaker 2: Are they doing too much editorializing off the back of

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Speaker 2: their coverage, do you think.

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Speaker 23: I think that's a really good point, I think, and

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Speaker 23: that's what the Independent review will probably look at. A

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Speaker 23: guy from the XABC in Australia, a guy called Alan Sunderland,

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Speaker 23: and what's happening is, generally speaking, the coverage of a

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Speaker 23: particular issue is probably okay. It's then when the reporter

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Speaker 23: comes in at the end and gives an opinion or

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Speaker 23: analysis that the viewer might take issue with the feedback,

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Speaker 23: we get a lot of has just report the news.

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Speaker 2: Yes, just to say the facts and then buger off and.

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Speaker 23: Both sides or as many sides as possible within reason.

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Speaker 23: I mean with television you know better than most it's

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Speaker 23: what a two or three minute story see, there's a

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Speaker 23: lot to cram in.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering, Shane, whether this is an issue that's actually

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Speaker 2: not about today but about the last five years.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think their reporting has changed considerably. The same with

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Speaker 2: arn Z and the stories you see and here today

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Speaker 2: are cor actually quite different to the ones you might

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Speaker 2: have heard during COVID years. Well are they been punished

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Speaker 2: for perhaps some behaviors back then.

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Speaker 23: I think what we saw in COVID was the making

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Speaker 23: within the sausage factory. Right in terms of those daily

870
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 23: one o'clock press conferences and the journalists and the question lines,

871
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 23: which were happening for many, many years previous and since,

872
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 23: was suddenly in the spotlight themselves, and people took exception

873
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 23: to some of the questions, the way the press conferences

874
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Speaker 23: were handled by the Prime Minister at the time, and

875
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Speaker 23: there were some other factors as well that led people

876
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Speaker 23: to think, you know, this was a bit of a

877
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 23: cozy club. Wrong in a lot of respects, but still

878
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 23: that's the perception that's emerged, and the media has been

879
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 23: fighting it ever since.

880
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: They'll soon be sharing a building. Do you think arn

881
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 2: Z might get a bit of this review treatment too well?

882
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 23: I think aren Z's got its own issue in terms

883
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 23: of that, and possibly even bigger issues than TV And

884
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 23: said I think that with the TV, and said, I

885
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 23: mean Paul Godsmith, the Medium Minister has asked both of

886
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Speaker 23: them to improve their trust levels. They will both argue

887
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 23: that they are near the top of most surveys, but

888
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Speaker 23: as public broadcasters, Paul Godsman says, they've got to do

889
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 23: a lot better.

890
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: Shane Carry, appreciate you on the show tonight. Shane Carry

891
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: media insider at The Herald. You can read his column. Well,

892
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Speaker 2: you do multiple columns per week, really, don't you, Shane.

893
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 23: You're the busiest man in media right now.

894
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: Mister Bridge, see as Shane Curry twenty three minutes after

895
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Speaker 2: five News Talk said, be, I'll share my views because

896
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 2: I can, because this is what I do is quite

897
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: different to journalism. I'll make that point, but I'll tell

898
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: you what I really think about chipeak next.

899
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: Checking the point of the story.

900
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither dou Percy Ellen drive with

901
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: one New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

902
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: There'd be five twenty five on News Talk said b

903
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: what have we learned today? Well, we've learned that Labor

904
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: hasn't learned its lesson on COVID. They lost the last

905
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: election in large part because they lost all We know this.

906
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: It was an absolute blood bath in the urban electorates.

907
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: Of the eleven that they lost to National in twenty

908
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: twenty three, seven were in Auckland. So blood bath bad?

909
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: Why lockdown? Many Aucklanders supported that protest, not the real

910
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: heenous parts of it, but supported generally the protest in

911
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: Wellington that came after the prolonged lockdown and then they

912
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 2: lose Auckland and then it's mayor culpa and it's the apology,

913
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, to a whistlestop tour of Auckland that Chippy's

914
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: still doing. The idea is to reclaim Auckland. The idea

915
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: is to reclaim trust. The idea was to forgive and embrace.

916
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: But he can't. He can't do it. And I think

917
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Speaker 2: the reason that he can't do it, and we saw

918
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: this this morning on the TV, is that he hates

919
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: those protesters, those conspiracy theorists as he calls them. He

920
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: hates them as much as Auckland hated them at the

921
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: last election. They weren't here during those long lockdowns. They

922
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: weren't here as business has suffered, life was turned upside down,

923
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: and they pretended for a while that they'd seen the

924
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: light and and it was time to turn a corner

925
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Speaker 2: and let's get Auckland back. But today is proof that

926
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Speaker 2: they can't. Chippy hasn't got it in him, and I

927
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: don't blame him. I'd be angry too, But at some point,

928
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: if you want to lead a country, to be the

929
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: prime minister, you have to have compassion for everyone that

930
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: you lead, even if you think those people are wrong, pigheaded,

931
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: stupid whatever. I like hipkiins I do, But after seeing

932
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Speaker 2: how he really thinks in that interview this morning, I

933
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: just don't know if he's the right guy to lead

934
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Speaker 2: labor back to the promised land. Bryan Bridge, just to

935
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: get back to the Treasury benches, You've got to get

936
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Speaker 2: Auckland back on track. Twenty seven after five news talks,

937
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: he'd be lots of people texting in. Okay. The difference

938
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Speaker 2: between so your one US state owned media company, right.

939
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: Their job is to present balanced, fear balanced, unbiased news

940
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Speaker 2: at six pm. That's what they do.

941
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Speaker 24: My job.

942
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm a prisoner. I'm not a journalist here. I'm employed

943
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Speaker 2: to give my opinion. That is in my contract that

944
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: I have to do that. If I didn't do that,

945
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't get paid. So they're very different models, which

946
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Speaker 2: is why I'm basically sticking the boot in tonight. Twenty

947
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: eight minutes after earning tomorrow's lunch, aren't I? Twenty eight after.

948
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Speaker 1: Talking after making the news, the newsmakers talk to Ryan first.

949
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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicylan Drive with One New Zealand.

950
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Speaker 3: Let's get connected news talk. Sai'd be so, Judith, can you.

951
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: Give even twenty four minutes away from six news talks?

952
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: They'd be coming up after six. We'll look at the

953
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 2: OCR decision coming out tomorrow. If you've got a mortgage,

954
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: stay tuned for that one. We'll also talk to Jamie

955
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: McKay from the Country the Huddle coming your way in

956
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: just a few moments. Lots of your texts this evening,

957
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: Thank you for those, by the way, lots of texts

958
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Speaker 2: on primates. This new study art's showing that male and

959
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 2: female primates win arguments in equal measure, so there's no

960
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 2: dominant gender when it comes to primates, which includes us,

961
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Speaker 2: includes mon keys, includes apes, all sorts of stuff. Ryan,

962
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 2: I wear the pants in my house, thank you very much,

963
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 2: says Susie, but only after my husband has ironed them

964
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Speaker 2: for me. Good for you, Susie. Ryan, our fat freeloading

965
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Speaker 2: cat wears the pants. We just pay the bills, open

966
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Speaker 2: the tins, and provide the warm beds on demand. Somewhere

967
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: along the way we lost all authority. She struts around

968
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: like she's the CEO and wear the unpaid staff and

969
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: from becks. Ryan, I wear the pants in our house.

970
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 2: A lot of women confidently claiming they wear the pants

971
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Speaker 2: in the house. Good on you. I suppose I wear

972
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: the pants in our house, and if my husband's lucky,

973
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: he gets in him. If my husband's lucky, he gets

974
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: into them. Works a treat. Thanks becks too much information,

975
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: but thank you. Twenty three minutes away from six brain Bridge,

976
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Speaker 2: Associate Justice Minister Nicole McKee has today announced plans to

977
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: loosen up the anti money laundering laws when it comes

978
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: to family trusts. Mario Thorn is an associate at McVeigh

979
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: Fleming and he's part of the Society of Trust and

980
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: a State Practitioners. He's with us to break it down. Murrag,

981
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Speaker 2: Good evening, thanks for being on the program.

982
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 25: Good evening, my pleaser, thanks for having me.

983
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: So what exactly is going on here? It's to make

984
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 2: the process of selling to or from a trust a

985
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: property easier, is it?

986
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

987
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 25: I think in a nutshell basically because and I don't

988
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 25: often agree with the phrase using cutting through red tape,

989
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 25: but I actually think that's kind of hitting the nail

990
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 25: on the head in this case. There is a lot

991
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 25: of red tape around due diligence that reporting entities are

992
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 25: required to do in relation to trusts that are buying

993
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 25: or selling residential property. And yeah, quite frankly, the burdens

994
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 25: are quite high. And yeah, it's a simplified process would

995
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 25: be a welcome change.

996
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: Because the worry is that you've got money laundering, potentially

997
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: money laundering involved, So you've got people who have got

998
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: nothing to do with money laundering having to provide documents,

999
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: you know, left, right and center documents as long as

1000
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 2: there are. How long does that process take.

1001
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 25: Yeah, obviously it depends on a case by case basis,

1002
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 25: but generally it's yeah, the time. It can be quite

1003
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 25: time consuming overall, particularly where you're asking questions for information

1004
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 25: that is not readily available or doesn't even exist. Because

1005
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 25: the act, the a MLC FT Act, has put a

1006
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 25: lot of the burden on reporting entities to make a

1007
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 25: lot of these inquiries themselves, and everyone takes a very

1008
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 25: conservative approach, so they tend to throw throw everything at

1009
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 25: the wall to see what sticks. Kind of approach, and

1010
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 25: they ask for a lot of information, like you know,

1011
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 25: dating back to the inception of the trust that could

1012
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 25: be sort of thirty forty years old some of these trusts,

1013
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 25: and some of that information has lost the time some

1014
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 25: of that information never existed because the trust were just

1015
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 25: a simple entity created to own a family's home. And

1016
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 25: then you're left with trustees and mums and dad scratching

1017
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 25: their head going, how am I supposed to produce these

1018
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 25: things when I don't even know if they exist or not?

1019
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: Okay, sounds so, yeah, it can take a.

1020
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 25: Bit of time.

1021
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 2: Sounds sensible. So far, How do you what they only

1022
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: talk about low risk transactions? How do you know whether

1023
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: something's low risk or not.

1024
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's a good question, and I'd really be interested

1025
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 25: to see how that's defined in the future, because I

1026
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 25: think all of us have a sense of what is

1027
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 25: low risk, because I think the vast majority of transactions

1028
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 25: that we do, and the ones that I've been involved with,

1029
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 25: you are dealing with really straightforward situations where it's clear

1030
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 25: where the funds have come from, it's clear how the

1031
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 25: trust was established, what the purpose of the trust was,

1032
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 25: and everything like that. And then to cast the net

1033
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 25: too wide and ask for all these invasive documents, yeah,

1034
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 25: it's it's it's cracking a nutwith sleechaannel kind of approach. So,

1035
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 25: but you know, that's just my feel I think I

1036
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 25: think some clear guidance from THEDA on what constitutes at

1037
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 25: low risk will be will be very welcome, a very

1038
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 25: welcome thing from them. Yeah, because we all have an idea,

1039
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 25: but you'd be better if we could get some clear

1040
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 25: guidance on that.

1041
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: Maray, appreciate your time. Tonight Mariy Thorne, associate at McVeigh Fleming,

1042
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: talking to us about the government's move, the Cole mckeys

1043
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: move today to make it easier if you've got a

1044
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: house and a family trust, then the Government's going to

1045
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 2: make it easier for you to ab to flick it

1046
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 2: on without going digging up all of the files all

1047
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: in sundry in the bottom of your basement to prove

1048
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: that you're not laundering money. Nineteen away from six.

1049
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

1050
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: Uniquely for You on.

1051
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: The Huddle tonight, Bridget Morton, Ali Jones of red PR

1052
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Good evening, I do good to have you here. Let's

1053
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: start with the COVID inquiry, shall we, and off to

1054
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: a rocking start. There are people giving submissions, I mean

1055
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: some really interesting and worthwhile submissions, I think, But Chris

1056
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: Hipkins not too keen on the whole thing says it's

1057
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 2: platforming extremist views from memory. Is what he told me

1058
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 2: this morning, Bridget What do you make of that?

1059
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 6: Oh?

1060
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 19: I think it's a bit rich for the guy whose

1061
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 19: decisions are under scrutiny to try and undermine the outcomes

1062
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 19: of what you know, that commission is meant to achieve.

1063
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 19: It is meant to be a belief of people, to

1064
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 19: feedback on how defective them and how decisions could be

1065
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 19: made differently. And for him to sort of just saying

1066
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 19: that it's you know, conspiracy theorists not worth anything, This

1067
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 19: shows really that he hasn't learned a single lesson since

1068
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 19: he made his decisions, or since he you know, lost

1069
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 19: spectacularly the twenty twenty three election, which was resoundingly people

1070
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 19: saying to the government, has atthing, wasn't it?

1071
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1072
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: I sort of thought that. I thought it was an odd,

1073
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: an odd approach when he could have just gave it

1074
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: nothing answer, Ellie, what did you think?

1075
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1076
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 9: Look, I agree with you on that, actually, Ryan, that

1077
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 9: he could have just shouldn't have gone down that path.

1078
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 9: I think this is a comms issue more than anything.

1079
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 9: I have some real sympathy for his position about not

1080
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 9: wanting to turn this into a stage for theatrics. You know,

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Speaker 9: he talked about nurses with names attached. I mean, that's

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Speaker 9: just outrageous, you know. And we don't want a stage

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Speaker 9: for anti vaxxers and law breakers and others that are

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Speaker 9: to be perfectly frank, complete nutter loons. What I don't

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Speaker 9: understand though, is that that first part, that phase one,

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00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 9: didn't look at a bunch of things, but it did

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00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 9: look at a whole lot of stuff. And I want

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00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 9: to know where that there's some repetition going on here

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Speaker 9: that is not needed. So I'd really like to sort

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Speaker 9: of go I haven't gone through those terms of references yet,

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Speaker 9: but yeah, look, I do have some sympathy for Chris

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Speaker 9: Hipkins on this. I mean, I don't think some of

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00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 9: these people should be given the time of day to

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00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 9: be perfectly frank. We should be listening to people who

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Speaker 9: don't get stuck down wormholes and cause the damage and

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Speaker 9: upset that these people do.

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Speaker 24: But that's the point.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the mandates the lockdowns, the length of

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Speaker 2: the lockdowns, and the political decision making behind them, those

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Speaker 2: are the things in this chanch of the inquiry, Elie

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Speaker 2: is what they're looking.

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Speaker 13: At it's different.

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Speaker 2: But I think, Ellie, I don't care how mad you are, Like,

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Speaker 2: this is a Royal Commission of Inquiry into COVID and

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00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: it was the biggest powers any government's had since certainly

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00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: since Muldoon, and it infected everybody's life. I just think,

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Speaker 2: I don't care how nutty you are. You deserve to

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Speaker 2: be there and have your say.

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Speaker 13: Ah.

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Speaker 9: So look I do. I hear what you're saying. And

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Speaker 9: in fact, I've always said every war should be heard,

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 9: and they should be. But you know, could we have

1113
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 9: just a button that we could drop them there? Or

1114
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 9: there could be a hole in the floor. And I'm

1115
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 9: not being facetious or rudeal mean here, No, seriously, Look,

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Speaker 9: I've sat in meetings where there have been people, No seriously, Ryan,

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 9: there have been people in these meetings who chant, who

1118
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Speaker 9: waive banners, who distract from you know, the pest, hanging

1119
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 9: nois of people's names on them. I actually would like

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Speaker 9: to see those people arrested and locked away.

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Speaker 19: That's where they should be. I think just when you're

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00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 19: a heard of people chant or waving banners, I mean

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Speaker 19: that's pretty much a Green Party protest. Like there's no

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Speaker 19: real difference here between many of these activists, you know,

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Speaker 19: and I think, you know, we do actually have a

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Speaker 19: little bit of a control here because these people are

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Speaker 19: able to have their say. That doesn't mean the Royal

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Speaker 19: Commission that is going to then take what they say

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Speaker 19: and make it into recommendations that the government needs to

1130
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Speaker 19: respond on. We've got some brilliant experts on that commission

1131
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 19: that are looking at the evidence that it's very smart.

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Speaker 19: They are going to hear those news and they are

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Speaker 19: going to look at them through an annegal length. I

1134
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 19: think there's no harmon in these people actually feel like

1135
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 19: they have they say because lots of them had their

1136
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Speaker 19: livelihoods absolutely destroyed during the COVID period and I think

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Speaker 19: what has happened to them often gets minimized.

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Speaker 2: Allie Jones and Bridget Morton on the Huddle tonight back

1139
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: in a second quarter to six news talk said, being

1140
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Speaker 2: the Huddle.

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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty the Ones for un

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Speaker 1: Last Results The.

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Speaker 2: Huddle Tonight at twelve to six, Bridget Morton and Ali

1144
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Speaker 2: Jones welcome back, guys, TV WON News. They apparently are

1145
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Speaker 2: having an independent auditor review their bulletin to check for

1146
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: balance and bias. They've had a lot of complaints about

1147
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 2: seemingly cuddling the left a little bit too much. Allie,

1148
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Speaker 2: what do you think? Have you watched it lately? What

1149
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: do you reckon?

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: I do.

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00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 9: I watch one every night actually, and then I go

1153
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 9: back and watch three as well. Interested in here is

1154
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 9: that I believe that the review is related to a

1155
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 9: drop in the number of viewers and drop and income.

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01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 9: I think Paul Goldsmith has unfortunately interpreted that as meaning

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 9: that trust levels have reduced. You know, maybe some of

1158
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 9: those complaints support that that viewers are not trusting what

1159
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Speaker 9: they're saying. But I actually think he's got it wrong.

1160
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 9: I think that TV ANDZ would probably be looking at

1161
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Speaker 9: things like the lack of news local news at the weekends.

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Speaker 9: I don't know whether you've picked it up.

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Speaker 20: We basically see.

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Speaker 9: Held or holdable stories from the Department of Conservation that

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01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 9: could have been shot a month ago, or we get

1166
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Speaker 9: stuff that's pulled off the satellite. I think if they

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Speaker 9: want viewers, it's not so much the trusting and the

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Speaker 9: removing any perceived or real biases. They need to actually

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Speaker 9: deliver what people want to see and hear and I

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Speaker 9: think we need to see our own people as well,

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Speaker 9: and there's not enough of that. Remember regional news or

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Speaker 9: you're probably too young, Ryan, We had days of regional

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Speaker 9: news where you know, the areas around New Zealand, Auckland, Wellington,

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Speaker 9: christ Church in Dunedin we had our own regional news

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Speaker 9: and we would regularly beat in ratings home and network news.

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Speaker 9: People want to see themselves, They want to see good

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Speaker 9: quality news, and I don't think the biases really come

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Speaker 9: into it.

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Speaker 8: Do you know.

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Speaker 2: We learned about that when I was studying broadcasting. That's

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Speaker 2: how long we got. We learned about it, and it

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Speaker 2: would come on before the main news, wouldn't it. It

1183
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: would play before the six o'clock. But I thought the

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01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 2: same thing about uber local news and then all of

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: the local newspapers bridget they're all going out of fashion too,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know. I guess they're on Facebook, are they?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 19: I suppose with the local news there there's a different

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Speaker 19: factor of the air, which is about advertising and the

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Speaker 19: fact that you know, advertisers, there's so many different places

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Speaker 19: to put their advertising dollar now, so they're not going

1192
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Speaker 19: to necessarily go for your local newspaper. They're going to

1193
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Speaker 19: go for targets advertising on social media where they can

1194
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Speaker 19: really get into the people that they actually want to,

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Speaker 19: you know, buy their product. I do agree though with

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Speaker 19: Ali that I actually said that there's a little bit

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Speaker 19: of misconception that they think that the biases what's driving

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Speaker 19: away or us striving away viewers is instead of actually

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Speaker 19: what is the sort of stories. I mean, frankly, I

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Speaker 19: think I'm probably like that. I'm weary of calling Elie old,

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Speaker 19: but I think watched you know, the six o'clock Us

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Speaker 19: anymore because it's not the agenda setting to the place.

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Speaker 19: By the time I've got to the six got us,

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Speaker 19: I've already heard those stories before. And so if there

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Speaker 19: were oftenly something different, you know, that regional elements, a

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Speaker 19: little bit of you know, what's happening in my local neighbors,

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Speaker 19: I probably actually would be more interested because they'd be

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Speaker 19: getting something different.

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Speaker 25: I don't think it.

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Speaker 19: Two sides.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right at that point about

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Speaker 9: it at not being a gender setting more. And I

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Speaker 9: see this season actually in some breakfast radio there's you know,

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Speaker 9: we used to have a story that we would we

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Speaker 9: would follow, but we'd find a new angle for it.

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Speaker 9: Now there's just this repetition and cookie cutter stuff going on.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, I think the local angle is definitely the

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Speaker 9: way to go. And you could you could actually break out,

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01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 9: and they did break out and run, you would have

1220
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Speaker 9: been all this Ryan when you were learning. They would

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Speaker 9: break out and they would run regional advertising, so it

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Speaker 9: could still be you know, focused on the regional market.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, I'm available. Actually, if there is a need

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Speaker 9: for regional news to be Broadcastle, will.

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Speaker 2: You bring it to us for free? Elie? We don't

1226
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 2: have to pay you for that. How do we very quickly?

1227
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Speaker 2: Because I have to go. But the primates story We've

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Speaker 2: told all our audiences across this primates and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: matter whether your male or female. One can dominate the

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Speaker 2: other just as much as the other way around. Who

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Speaker 2: wears the pants at your house, Elie?

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Speaker 9: Definitely me? But I have to say, too many stats here,

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Speaker 9: you know, and and command they say sixty percent of

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Speaker 9: the time, it works every time. There's just too many

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Speaker 9: stats here, and I don't follow it.

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Speaker 2: But I wear the pants somehow, I couldn't see it

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Speaker 2: any other way.

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Speaker 19: Bridget what about you look differently in my business with

1239
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 19: two male business partner you've got her wear the pants

1240
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Speaker 19: or a great skirt and just have as much power

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Speaker 19: from that. One thing I definitely took from this primate

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Speaker 19: study though, was it would be no surprise for females

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Speaker 19: that in the situations where males are bigger, they will

1244
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Speaker 19: have the physical dominance and where they can, they will

1245
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Speaker 19: try and control women's reproduction. That is, you know, just

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Speaker 19: common knowledge to every female out there.

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Speaker 2: Well you go goo okay, guys, thank you very much

1248
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 2: for being with me. Ellie Jones and Bridget Morton on

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Speaker 2: the huddle tonight. It's seven minutes away from six and

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Speaker 2: you're on News Talk SEBB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather douper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk ZBB.

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Speaker 2: News Talk SBB. It is four minutes away from six.

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Speaker 2: After six o'clock, will take a look at the OCR

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Speaker 2: preview the OCR which is happening tomorrow. Well, it'll do

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Speaker 2: your mortgage rate. The Aussies have held steady at three

1257
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Speaker 2: point eight five percent today. Now, you don't want to

1258
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Speaker 2: the reason you don't want to be one of Perutan's

1259
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Speaker 2: cronies is because when something goes wrong, then it goes

1260
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Speaker 2: really wrong for you. And he will dispense of you.

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Speaker 2: This is a one of a Transport minister of Vladimir Potent.

1262
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: So some Ukrainian drones ground some flights near Moscow airport,

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Speaker 2: huge travel disruption, big kerfuffle. Putin calls the Transport minister in,

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Speaker 2: sits him, down, fires him. Sad news. Next day he's

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Speaker 2: found dead. Now they say suicide. But do you believe it?

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Speaker 2: You just don't know, do you? In Moscow? Anyway? Sacked

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Speaker 2: the Monday night published the details online. Guys now no

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Speaker 2: longer with us, unfortunately yesterday the Transport Minister today buried

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Speaker 2: the all Blacks and the French. Why don't the French

1270
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Speaker 2: like Hamilton? That's the question we've been asking. After six

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Speaker 2: they are avoiding the tron basically themselves out of Auckland

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Speaker 2: ahead of their match against the Abs. Of course they're

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Speaker 2: in Wellington and then the following week we'll be in Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about the up and coming hotels and

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Speaker 2: destinations in Hamilton for you. Coming up to six o'clock,

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Speaker 2: you're on news Talk SETP.

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Speaker 3: What's up? What's down? One with a major cause and

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Speaker 3: how will it affect the economy?

1279
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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with Ryan

1280
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Speaker 1: Bridge and Mass Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect

1281
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Speaker 1: your Future, News talk.

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Speaker 2: Set b Yay, good evening.

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Speaker 3: It is the eighth of July.

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Speaker 2: It is seven minutes after six. Great to have your

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Speaker 2: company this evening on the Business Hour, we will do

1286
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Speaker 2: the business and coming up shortly we'll talk to Kelly

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Speaker 2: your face as I said that as.

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Speaker 16: A great, great new tag line for the business.

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Speaker 2: I was buying for time. Because you're wasted on you.

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Speaker 16: Mate, we should have you write in the marketing slogans.

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Speaker 2: We are doing the business because it's business time on

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Speaker 2: the Business Hour. We'll talk to Kelly Echold on the

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Speaker 2: OCR just a second. We're also going to talk to

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Speaker 2: Jamie McKay the Country and showbiz. We'll get through that.

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Speaker 2: Paul Blocks from HSBC on their rates. They're holding steady

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Speaker 2: in Australia, the RBA, they're an end of Brady in

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Speaker 2: the UK for US before top of the hour. Central

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Speaker 2: banks around the world seem to be in a bit

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Speaker 2: of a crouch and hold at the moment we had.

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Speaker 2: The US Fed haven't moved, although Trump wants them to desperately. Today,

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Speaker 2: the RBA holding steady tomorrow. Our decision what will it be.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Echold from Westpac is with me tonight. Hey Kelly, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You're ready to do the business?

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Speaker 3: Kelly, Well, we're.

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Speaker 26: Not expecting any business to be done tomorrow. We think

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Speaker 26: they're going to leave the OCR unchanged, as they signaled

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Speaker 26: by having no bias about what was going to happen

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Speaker 26: to this meeting when they spoke to us back in

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Speaker 26: back in May.

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Speaker 2: What do they risk if they do cut?

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Speaker 26: What they risk is that the CPI that's due later

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Speaker 26: on this month comes uncomfortably high, and some of the

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Speaker 26: data that we've seen since May suggest that it is

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Speaker 26: actually going to be a bit stronger than what they

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Speaker 26: forecast back in May, and quite likely actually that headline

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Speaker 26: CPI is going to be a pretty close to three

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Speaker 26: piece three percent, or maybe even a bit above it

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Speaker 26: as we go through the rest of this year. So

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Speaker 26: it's quite hard, I think, for an NPC that's got

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Speaker 26: a single mandate on one to three percent inflation to

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Speaker 26: be cutting rates when inflation is quite that high.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you've got the global backdrop, and you've

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Speaker 2: got Trump and all that stuff, and the things that

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Speaker 2: no one really knows about at the moment.

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Speaker 26: Well, there's tons of uncertainty around that. I mean generally,

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Speaker 26: I think the tail risks about what Trump has been

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Speaker 26: up to have reduced quite a lot since April and May,

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Speaker 26: and as a result, we see consensus forecasts for global

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Speaker 26: growth actually being revised up a bit. Is that's been reflected.

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Speaker 26: Equity markets have been quite strong, but nevertheless, we don't

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Speaker 26: quite know what's going to happen. We saw all of

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Speaker 26: Trump's letters start to come out today. Some countries have

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Speaker 26: still got pretty high terrifts to deal with. We don't

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Speaker 26: know what New Zealand's going to end up with, and importantly,

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Speaker 26: we don't quite know how negotiations are going to end

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Speaker 26: up with some of the US biggest trading partners in

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Speaker 26: Europe and China and Indi year as well.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, we're not even at neutral yet. I mean we're

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Speaker 2: we're touching neutral, but we're not completely there yet. Do

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Speaker 2: you think we will get there this year?

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Speaker 26: I think we could easily be at neutral now, Ryan,

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Speaker 26: and I think even the Brazerve Bank will tell you

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Speaker 26: that they don't know for sure exactly where it is.

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Speaker 26: Their range for neutral is between two and a half

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Speaker 26: and three and a half percent, and in fact, a

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Speaker 26: lot most central banks around the world have actually got

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Speaker 26: themselves into the neutralish stone. Now, the idea of neutral

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Speaker 26: in terms of guiding what's going to happen to interest

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Speaker 26: rates from here when you're already quite close to it,

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Speaker 26: isn't actually that help forty more. What's going to be

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01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 26: more helpful is trying to get a good guide on

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Speaker 26: where inflation is going to go and perhaps where the

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Speaker 26: economy is going to go as well.

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Speaker 2: On the global outlook, you know, we've got ten percent

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Speaker 2: tariffs from the US. If that's the worst that happens,

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Speaker 2: then that's probably quite a good thing. Well not a

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01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: good thing, of course, it could be zero, but kind

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01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: of got off lightly when you look at what else

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Speaker 2: is happening around the world.

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Speaker 26: Well, a ten percent tariff in New Zealand's going to

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Speaker 26: be the low end of the scale if that's what

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Speaker 26: we end up with, and I'd say that's probably what

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01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 26: we are going to end up with at least for

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Speaker 26: a while. And that's the line that we've had on

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 26: that is that's unwelcome but manageable. I mean, we've actually

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Speaker 26: had some pretty strong commodity prices in the last year

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Speaker 26: or so, so the ten percent tariff has just taken

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Speaker 26: a bit of a bit of cream off the top

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Speaker 26: as opposed to necessarily leaving us in a pretty tight bind.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time. Kelly Echold, Westpac Chief Economist on the

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Speaker 2: decision from the Reserve Bank tomorrow eleven after six sounds

1374
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 2: like going nowhere. Eleven after six, News Talks VB. Jamie

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01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 2: McKay from the Country.

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Speaker 3: Next, It's the Heather.

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Speaker 1: Dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio empowered by

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Speaker 1: Newstalk z EBB. The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health

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Speaker 1: Home of Maltine ends he's leading fave in one vaccine.

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Speaker 2: Six fourteen on Newstalk ZBB, Jamie mckaye hosted The Country

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Speaker 2: with Us Jamie Good Evening.

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Speaker 16: Good Ay, Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about Hugh Jackson.

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Speaker 27: Yes, as opposed to Hugh Jackman, who I was accused

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Speaker 27: of mispronunciating his name of my mispronunciated mispronunciation there too,

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Speaker 27: sorry Ryan, on yesterday's show. Yeah, Hugh Jackson is the

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Speaker 27: FMG twenty twenty five Young Farmer of the Year. The

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 27: twenty six year old sheep and beef farmer from Tiace

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 27: just up by Raglan There won the Grand Final and

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01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 27: was given the Cloak of Knowledge and in the cargo

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 27: on Saturday nights. So this is like they had to

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01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 27: win their finals and then their regional finals and then

1393
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 27: they get to the Grand Final. There are seven regions

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01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 27: represented in the Grand Final. On Thursday they do their

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 27: technical Day, which is very very technical. On Friday they

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 27: do the practical test, that's the hands on down on

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Speaker 27: the farm stuff. Then they do the speeches on the

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Speaker 27: Friday night, and then on the Saturday they've got the

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Speaker 27: big gala dinner and the buzz around and yet he

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 27: came out on top. Interestingly, they had to do things

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01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 27: on their practical Day Ryan, like sharing sheep no problem

1402
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 27: of course for a sheep farm, a bit of an

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01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 27: issue for a dairy farmer. They had to build a

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 27: bridge and drive a motorbike over it. They had to

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01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 27: fill it fish and I love this one. They had

1406
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 27: to bail some hay, make some hay in Southland in

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01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,879
Speaker 27: the middle of July to show off their farthing skills.

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01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 27: So yeah, yeah, interesting. So yeah, Hugh Jackson taking it away.

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 27: He's got an interest in technology, a passion for mental health.

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Speaker 27: He's the chair of the Hamilton City Young Farmers club

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 27: caught up with Atfield Days. Very eloquent young man Gareth mckirche,

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 27: another smart young bloke representing Arangi, was in second place

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 27: and Tasman farmer George Leatham finished in third place. I

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01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 27: may follow in the steps of the twenty twenty two

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01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 27: and twenty twenty three winners Tim Danjon and Emma Paul

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 27: brother and sister and last year's winner George Dodson. I'll

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Speaker 27: tell you what, Ryan, if you win one of these titles,

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01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 27: they stay with you for life and they open lots

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 27: of doors in the primary sector.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Good to see the next generation coming through now.

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Speaker 2: The recent sale season was one to remember.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, this is the ball selling season. This is the

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01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 27: beef balls. Black Gold they're calling him. Of course, the

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01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 27: black bulls are the Angus bulls. When it came to

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 27: all the different breeds this year, Charroleet claimed the highest

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01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 27: increase in average prices, South Devon the highest increase in

1427
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 27: total clearance race rates. But the story of the season

1428
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 27: was the Angus bulls. They set a new record. Tonguey

1429
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 27: Ho Angus from Gisbon sold a big black beast for

1430
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 27: one hundred and sixty one thousand dollars that beat last

1431
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 27: year's price of one hundred and thirty record price of

1432
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 27: one hundred and thirty five thousand by twenty six thousand.

1433
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 27: When it came to the other breeds, the Hereford set

1434
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 27: on U top price of eighty grand, the Charrolets fifty

1435
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 27: and the Cimentale forty two. Now, Ryan, if you owned

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01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 27: one of these black bulls, you wouldn't have to work

1437
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 27: two jobs like you're doing at the moment. You could

1438
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 27: sell one and just work one job.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I dream of the day. I dream of the day. Jamie,

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01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: Thank you. Jamie McKay hosted the Country for us with

1441
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 2: our Rural Rap. It is seventeen eighteen minutes after sex,

1442
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 2: Ryan Bridge. You might have heard on this show. Yesterday

1443
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 2: we spoke to Simeon Brown, the Health Minister, about Wellington Hospital.

1444
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: So Health New Zealand was going to run a trial

1445
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: and cut some beds from the gynecology department, from the

1446
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 2: maternity ward and put them into the ed because they're

1447
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: crying out for beds and in e well They've decided,

1448
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: after announcing it yesterday a day later to put the

1449
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 2: kibosh on that. So Health New Zealand is reversing its decision.

1450
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: They say the trial is aimed at making more room

1451
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: for patients from the overcrowded emergency department. But after an

1452
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: emotional meeting with staff on Monday who felt blindsided by

1453
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 2: the proposal, Health New Zealand has backtracked, saying it understands

1454
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 2: the importance of these services to women and families across

1455
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: the region. The question remains because there was the hospital

1456
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: Health New Zealand saying these beds are sitting empty, and

1457
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 2: then you had the midwives saying they're not empty. They've

1458
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: got women in them who you know are giving birth.

1459
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: They're double parked in a lot of cases. But then

1460
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:46,120
Speaker 2: you've got Health Newserenter say now they're empty. So how

1461
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: can you not know which beds are empty in a

1462
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 2: hospital or not? I mean that seems pretty If a

1463
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: car parking building can tell you how many empty car

1464
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 2: parks there are, you should be able to tell me

1465
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: how many empty beds you've got in the hospital. Nineteen

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Speaker 2: after six news talks ZB SHOWBUSINXT.

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Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Bridge and Mare's Insurance and investments,

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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: US dogs eNB no business like show business twenty two

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Speaker 2: minutes after six, So it is time for show business. Now,

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Speaker 2: Hollywood and its endless quest for money, has greenlit something

1473
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 2: absolutely ridiculous. What's so ridiculous about that, Mattel. Yes, the

1474
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 2: Toy Company has announced their new Hot Wheels live action

1475
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 2: movie based off the little toy cars you remember playing

1476
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 2: with them as a kid. Warner Brothers the studio who

1477
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 2: made the Barbie movie. While they're all in producing with

1478
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: both companies hoping to capture the magic of Barbie's one

1479
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 2: billion dollar box office draw in twenty twenty three, remember

1480
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 2: that a billion bucks they got off Barbie. I worked

1481
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 2: at TV three at the time, owned by Warner Brothers,

1482
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 2: and this is in New Zealand. When they had the

1483
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 2: global premiere for Barbie. They had life sized Barbies in

1484
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 2: our reception area. This is by the way, they were

1485
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 2: cutting people left, right and center at TV three, and

1486
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: they were handing out chocolates, Barbie shaped chocolates to people

1487
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: as they were packing up their desks and being fired unceremoniously. Anyway,

1488
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of money went into marketing

1489
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: that film, but by god, did it pay off with

1490
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: the billion dollars at the box office, so anyway, so

1491
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 2: they've got them on board. They've also announced the director.

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Speaker 24: Now.

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: The director's name is John M two. Most notable you

1494
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: might recognize the name director of last year's smash hit Wicked,

1495
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 2: which brought the studio in seven hundred and fifty million

1496
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: dollars ten OSCAR nominations. Highly anticipated sequel hits theaters in November.

1497
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Speaker 2: I never went because of the well to name the

1498
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 2: annoying one with a really high pitched voice, ariana Grande

1499
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 2: great singer. Just wouldn't go see her act anyway. It's

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Speaker 2: currently unclear whether or not Wheels will be a musical

1501
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: like Choose make's' success. Can you have a Hot Wheels music?

1502
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: I suppose you could. Anyway, it is likely he'll lean

1503
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: into a direction similar to other movies he's made in

1504
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: the Step Up and Now You See Me franchises, So

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Speaker 2: he's very excited about all of that. Brad Pitt, by

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Speaker 2: the way, Formula one, we spoke about this movie yesterday.

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Speaker 2: My movie of best movie I've watched all week. Brad

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01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 2: Pitt's Formula apparently stumbling out of the gate at the

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Speaker 2: box office. Hollywood'll be watching closely to see what cash

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Speaker 2: they can squeeze out of the recent trend in car racing.

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Speaker 28: Do you think that it's because you gave away the

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 28: ending on the show yesterday? So now no one needs

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01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 28: to see the Formula one movie. Possibly what happens?

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01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,759
Speaker 2: Possibly I did get in a little bit of trouble

1515
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: about that over that, just with just internally in my

1516
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 2: own home, somebody thought it was very inappropriate that I

1517
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: give away the ending of a movie like that.

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Speaker 28: Oh have they not gone along with you to see

1519
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 28: the movie? No, so you swung off to see the

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Speaker 28: movie without inviting them, and then you ruin any charts of.

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01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 2: Them give away the ending. Yeah, that's what I'm here,

1522
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 2: just crush dreams. Basically, that's what I'm here for. So

1523
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: this is the first major toy film release after Barbie,

1524
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: with film versions of Barney, the Dinosaur, Pollypocket, and The

1525
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 2: Fame Uno currently in development. So good luck Hollywood. Apparently

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01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 2: it's a very lucrative thing to do. You line up

1527
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: because one of the ways that movies make their money

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01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 2: is by the merchandise and the toys and everything that

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01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 2: go along with it. So if you can start with

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: the toy and reverse engineer in the movie You're pretty

1531
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 2: much onto a winner twenty five after six. Hey, I

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01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 2: brought my own showbers News today because I wasn't sure

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01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 2: whether you all guys want would be crap or not,

1534
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 2: so let's cover the basis. But anyway people can decide

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 2: my Showbers News is Katie Perry and Orlando Bloom. You

1536
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:57,719
Speaker 2: know how they've got divorced. Well, they've been spotted together

1537
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 2: just in the last twenty four hours. Yes, Katie Perry,

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 2: she who kissed a girl in Orlando Bloom? And where

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01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: were they on Jeff Bezos's yacht with Jeff? Was there

1540
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: Laurence Sanchiz the new Wife's it's the honeymoon. It's the

1541
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: honeymoon and you've got a newly divorced couple on your yacht.

1542
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 2: Is it the kind of fun time you're looking for?

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01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. Personally I would I would kick them

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: off because I think it's a bad omen.

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Speaker 16: I don't know, Roan I reckon.

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Speaker 28: There be people in the audience where it was like, hey,

1547
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 28: do you want Orlando Bloom to come along to your honeymoon?

1548
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 28: I think some people would probably be like.

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, actually, you know what, especially a single Orlando Bloom.

1550
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 16: A recently divorced Orlando or is he In fact?

1551
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 2: I don't think my marriage would last very long if

1552
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: that was my honeymoon. Sorry for I'm with a Orlando. Hey,

1553
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 2: there's a there's a picture. How long have we got?

1554
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 2: Two seconds? U? Sixty seconds? There's a video out there.

1555
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't say. This is probably a bit, but

1556
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 2: it was in the tabloids. Okay, it was in the tabloids.

1557
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 2: There's a fox out there of Katy Perry and Orlando

1558
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: Bloom on a wakeboard or a surfboard in the ocean,

1559
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 2: completely naked. Okay, you can see everything. Don't look it up.

1560
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 2: It's inappropriate. Twenty seven after six News Talks mb.

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01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,879
Speaker 3: Crouching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business Hour and Mass Insurance

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Speaker 1: and Investments, Cruel your wealth, Protect your future, NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 24: Good evening it it's.

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01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: Twenty five away from seven News Talk ZIB. We'll get

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01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: to end the Brady, a UK europe correspondent before top

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01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,400
Speaker 2: of the hour. Right now we'll go to Paul Block

1568
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 2: from HSBC Chief Economists. Because there are no rush the

1569
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: Aussies to move on the OCR there the Reserve Bank

1570
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: of Australia deciding today to hold steady at three point

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01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 2: eighty five. Paul good evening.

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01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 24: Good ay, So no rush, no rush at all.

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 29: In fact, quite a surprise for the market because the

1574
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 29: market was quite convinced that the RBA was going to

1575
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 29: cut its policy rate today and it decided instead that

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01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 29: it's got a bit of time.

1577
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 24: And in particular it's you know, noting that you know, they.

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01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 29: Want to wait and see what the next CPI, the

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01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 29: quarterly CPI reading looks like before they potentially deliver another cut.

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01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 29: So they were prepared to wait today and sit still

1581
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 29: and wait for that all important information we get in

1582
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 29: a few weeks.

1583
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 2: Time is that front And well it must be frustrating

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: for people who thought they might beget a little more

1585
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: off their mortgage.

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Speaker 24: Well that's right.

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Speaker 29: If interest rates don't come down, it makes it a

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01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 29: bit tougher for people who've got mortgages. But I think

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 29: the main thing that Governor was pointing out in the

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01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 29: press conference and in the statement was that although inflation's

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01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 29: coming down in Australia, corp inflation has only just had

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01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 29: one print where we've gotten into the target band. So

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01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 29: the last print was at two point nine percent they

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01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 29: target two to three, and so they want to be

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01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 29: really convinced that inflation's going to get to the midpoint

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01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 29: of that target band, and they just haven't got quite

1597
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 29: enough evidence to get them over the line for delivering

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Speaker 29: another cut as yet. But she also pointed out that

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Speaker 29: a lot of this was timing rather than direction, and

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Speaker 29: those are the words the governor used that you know,

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Speaker 29: they still think they'll be delivering more rate cuts, they

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01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 29: just think.

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Speaker 24: That it's not quite time yet to deliver the next one.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that the board voted six to three

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: in favor of the whole what does that tell you

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Speaker 2: about the next one.

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Speaker 29: It's quite interesting because the Reserve Bank has never published

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01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 29: board votes before. Obviously, we've got a new Monetary Policy

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 29: Committee here in Australia and this is a new procedure

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01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 29: that they will publish unattributed votes from the board. So

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Speaker 29: it tells you that there was a healthy debate about

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01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 29: the possibility of cutting, and that obviously three of the

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Speaker 29: board members thought that they should cut and six said

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Speaker 29: they should hold. So it's, you know, again, it's sort

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01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 29: of this idea that it's really about timing rather than direction,

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01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 29: and it wasn't obviously unanimous story for the board members.

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, what does Michelle Bollock? Every time I see her perform,

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01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 2: she seems in charge, calm, measured for what's the impression

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01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: of the in the eyes of the Australian public.

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Speaker 29: Well, this is a new strategy from the RBA. If

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01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 29: you think about to give a press conferences. This is

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01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 29: a new thing that's been adopted by the RBA just

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Speaker 29: in recent times. And so I think the Australian public,

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 29: you know, is getting still getting used to and markets

1625
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 29: are still getting used to what this how this all works.

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Speaker 29: The press conference is really designed to speak about what

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01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 29: happened that day and why they decided what they've decided,

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01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 29: and to speak to the Australian people about about why

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 29: that decision has been made.

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Speaker 24: I think the main thing is market participants.

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01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 29: They're trying to work out how much of it's a

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,480
Speaker 29: communication for them versus a communication for the general public.

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01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 24: And there can be nuances that are different for those

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Speaker 24: two groups.

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Speaker 2: Our Finance minister over here on the side of the testament,

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 2: Paul's been talking about text potentially texting Aussie banks a

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 2: bit more. Is that making any ways or news in

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01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 2: your area?

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Speaker 29: I haven't seen anything in Australia that much much about that.

1640
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 29: We've got an RB and Z meeting tomorrow obviously, so

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01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 29: this is you know, we've got a big central bank

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01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 29: week for the Antipodeans, and like the RBA, we expect

1643
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 29: the RBNZ is likely to be on hold tomorrow as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, everyone's sort of in a cratch hold position,

1645
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 2: aren't they. I mean, and the Fed doesn't want to

1646
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 2: go anywhere because they're worried that inflation will take off

1647
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 2: again with the tariffs and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 29: That's right, So the Fed is on hold at the moment,

1649
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,040
Speaker 29: and I guess they're watching all of the trade policy

1650
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 29: developments and they're happening day by day at the moment.

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Speaker 29: So that's one of the features keeping the Fed on hold.

1652
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 29: I think for RB and Z the story is that

1653
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 29: there have been a lot of interest rate cuts already delivered.

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Speaker 29: I think it's starting to lift growth in New Zealand.

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Speaker 29: And the other feature is that inflation started to pick

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Speaker 29: up a little bit recently, and I think that's likely

1657
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 29: to keep the arbians that on hold tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you might be right, Paul. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for that Paul Block from HSBC Chief Economists with

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics, it's all

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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Ryan Bridge. Cans players, insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments. Grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 2: Use dog, said me seventeen away from seven Now. UK

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Speaker 2: Europe Correspondent Indebrady with us tonight in the good evening.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, hey Ryan, good to speak to

1685
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: great to speak to you too. Now we've seen the

1686
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: tears from Rachel Reeves last week. You know how bad

1687
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: are the finances? Is Carestarming going to have to whip

1688
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: out some new taxes?

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01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 12: Yes, in a word, so there's a ten billion dollar

1690
01:27:56,840 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 12: black hole in the UK finances, all off the back

1691
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 12: of the welfare reforms not being allowed to go as

1692
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Speaker 12: far as he wanted. That was the big row last

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Speaker 12: week in the tears from Rachel Reeves in Parliament. All

1694
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 12: very very embarrassing for labor. And what we're hearing today

1695
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 12: is they're looking at bringing in a new tax on

1696
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:20,160
Speaker 12: the wealthy. So if you've got assets north of twenty

1697
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 12: million dollars, Labor will be looking for two percent of

1698
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,600
Speaker 12: them that there will be a wealth tax. Now the

1699
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 12: taxation world is up in arms about this rich people,

1700
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 12: as you can imagine the super wealthy. They're not exactly

1701
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 12: enamored either, And a lot of tax experts and financial

1702
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 12: bods are pointing out that nowhere in the world has

1703
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,719
Speaker 12: managed to make a wealth tax work. Basically, these people

1704
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 12: are so rich and so fiscally fluid they just move

1705
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Speaker 12: their money somewhere else and off they go. So already,

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01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 12: you know, we've seen an awful lot of rich people

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01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 12: leave since Labor come to power. Will we see even

1708
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 12: more goodness?

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Speaker 19: Me?

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01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's going to be a get that's

1711
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 2: going to have to be filled by or increases to revenue. Yes,

1712
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Speaker 2: and I have to do something. Weren't they four hundred

1713
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Speaker 2: media figures call pro Israeli four pro Israeli to be

1714
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 2: removed from the BBC board? What's this about?

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Speaker 12: So there's a man called Robbie Gibb who was a

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Speaker 12: member of Parliament Conservative, then he was a political journalist

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Speaker 12: and then Theresa A made him her spin doctor doing

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01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 12: comms in Downing Street when she was Prime Minister. None

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Speaker 12: of that is a problem. What is a problem for

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01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 12: a lot of people now is that he's on the

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Speaker 12: board of Directors of the BBC and also the Editorial

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01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,640
Speaker 12: Standards Committee at the BBC because he was involved in

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Speaker 12: the takeover of the Jewish Chronicle newspaper in London five

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01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 12: years ago. Now that is a right wing, very pro

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01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 12: Israel publication, and Robbie Gibb is still heavily involved with

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01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,839
Speaker 12: the ownership of that newspaper. Now, last week, the BBC

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01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 12: decided not to air a documentary about Gaza which it

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01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:02,640
Speaker 12: had commissioned. It was called Gaza Medics under Fire and

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01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 12: it shows Israel bombing hospitals, killing doctors and nurses and

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01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 12: patients and surgeons. And the BBC decided that having commissioned

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01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 12: the documentary, someone at a very high level in the BBC,

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01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 12: at board level, decided that we're not showing that. Channel

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01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 12: four then showed it. And because the BBC didn't show it,

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01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 12: more people want to watch it, and it has gone viral.

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Speaker 12: And basically you've got four hundred very prominent media figures

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Speaker 12: coming out now signing an open letter calling for Robbie

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Speaker 12: Gibb to be removed from the BBC Board of Directors.

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01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 12: They say his position is completely untenable. GiB no doubt

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Speaker 12: we'll stay there because Starmer gets involved in nothing like this.

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Speaker 2: Now two famous Greek islands of fighting beck against the

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Speaker 2: cruise ship over tourism there. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 12: Forty dollars is going to put off anyone. If you've

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01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 12: traveled from New Zealand, if you've traveled from Canada, Australia,

1744
01:30:57,439 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 12: wherever you've come from in the world to get to

1745
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 12: Santorini and Mikinos, I'm not sure you're going to be

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01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 12: deterred by a local tax, effectively a levee they're putting

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01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 12: on people coming off cruise ships. But that is the

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01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 12: big idea this summer, these two islands are fighting back.

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01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 12: We see a lot of stories about over tourism in Europe,

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01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,160
Speaker 12: particularly cities like Barcelona, where people have had enough of

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01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 12: air B and B and you know the influx of

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01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 12: tourists and the rattle of suitcases every morning along cobbled streets.

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01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 12: People have had enough. So Santorini and Mikinos, two of

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01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 12: the most famous Greek islands, they've decided that if you

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01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 12: come to their island off a cruise ship, they're going

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Speaker 12: to hit you with roughly forty dollars of a levee.

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01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 12: But as I say, if you've traveled a very long

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Speaker 12: way to get to a Greek island. You're not going

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01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 12: to blink at forty dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, it's certainly not. Hey, I appreciate your time in it.

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01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: As always in the Brady, a UK europe correspondent, time

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01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: is the ten minutes away from seven. It's an interesting idea.

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01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 2: Governments around the world are going to be faced with

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01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: this problem. You don't have enough money coming and not

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01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 2: enough rivenue. You've got an aging population, they're sucking up

1766
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 2: all the resources. Not your fault, you're getting old. You know,

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01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 2: you've lived a good life, You've paid your taxes. Nothing

1768
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 2: against you, but it's a reality. Fewer young people working,

1769
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,959
Speaker 2: more old people on healthcare, more old people on pensions.

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01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 2: You buget? What do you do about it? We're all

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01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 2: going to have to confront this. The Western world will

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01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 2: have to confront this. The UK is doing it. Tried

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01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: to cut welfare. Went NAT has their own party. Went

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01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,360
Speaker 2: NA can't do that. So now they're going to have

1775
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 2: to tax the rich. And what do you think about that?

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01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: Twenty million dollars in assets and a two percent tax.

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01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: Problem with a wealth tax, of course, is you're not

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01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: earning the money. You're not being taxed on money. You're earning.

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01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 2: You're being taxed on the book value of an asset.

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01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 2: So where's the money actually come from if you don't

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01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 2: have good cash flow. That's always been a problem with

1782
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 2: the wealth tax. But how do you feel about that?

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01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not worth twenty million dollars, right, so

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01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 2: I shouldn't care. The government came out and said we

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01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 2: want to tax the New Zealand government, so we want

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01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 2: to tax people who've got assets worth twenty million dollars

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01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 2: or more. Why should I care?

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01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 24: But I do?

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Speaker 20: I do.

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Speaker 2: It makes me angry. It makes me go why even

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01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:10,680
Speaker 2: though I'm not that I don't have that money? That's

1792
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: not me? Why do I feel like that? Is it

1793
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 2: because one day I want to be worth twenty million dollars? Well,

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01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: of course I do. Everybody does. You cannot sit there

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01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: and tell me that you do. If tomorrow I could

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01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 2: flick my fingers, click my fingers and you be worth

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01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, like a genie in a bottle, you'd be

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01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 2: worth twenty million dollars. You wouldn't take it, of course

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01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 2: you would. You do it for your family. So is

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Speaker 2: that part of the reason why no one likes new taxes?

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01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't affect them directly nine two nine,

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01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 2: two eleven to seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

1804
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,599
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1805
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:57,639
Speaker 2: News Talk ZBB. It is eight minutes away from seven.

1806
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 2: Lots of people texting and about tax. We'll get to

1807
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: that second. The all Black. So Scott Barrett ruled out

1808
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 2: for the rest of the series against France. It's a

1809
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 2: calf here happened in Dunedin. You would have seen him

1810
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 2: come off there. Scan Monday reveals Tear return to play

1811
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 2: TBC not sure yet. Replacement TBC not sure yet. Ardie

1812
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 2: Save is going to take the captaincy for the weekend

1813
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 2: second Test in Wellington. Beyond that, it's all a bit

1814
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 2: up in the air. Don't worry, We've got depth. Don't worry,

1815
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 2: We've got talent, they say. Now Trump is pushing ahead

1816
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 2: with his Global Trade Board. I don't know. I think

1817
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: he just gets bored and hen wants a headline. So

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01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,639
Speaker 2: here he is. He's come out and said, well, extend

1819
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 2: the deadline. It was meant to be tomorrow. Your deadline

1820
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 2: is meant to be tomorrow for your trade deals, thank

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01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 2: you very much. But he has extended that through to

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01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:46,679
Speaker 2: August first, but is at the same time threatening more tariffs.

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01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 2: So he doesn't want to come out and look weak

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01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 2: like he's bending over and cartowing. So it's quite a

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01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 2: good little switcheroo. He comes out and he says, with

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01:34:55,479 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 2: extending the deadline, but at the same time, you could

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01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 2: face forty percent and you for so very Donald Trump,

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01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 2: he reckons he is close to the holy grail a

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01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: trade deal with India. I'll believe it when I see it.

1830
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 2: And that is like everything with Donald Trump, isn't it.

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01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 2: You believe it when you see it. If you don't

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01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 2: see it, it's not real. How serious is he about

1833
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 2: Iran and the Nwykes for example, welly bomba, so quite serious.

1834
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 2: How serious is he about Ukraine and ending the war there? Well,

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01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 2: not very serious because they're still fighting, you know what

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01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 2: I mean. There's a lot of talk which you should

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01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 2: just ignore and look at what he does, look at

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01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 2: the actions. It is seven minutes away from seven News

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01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 2: news talks there'd be and hey, thanks for your feedback tonight.

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01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 2: Why does everyone hate Hamilton's Well, it's a stupid question

1841
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:47,000
Speaker 2: because you know, we know why people might hate Hamilton,

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01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,840
Speaker 2: but the franch aant staying there ahead of their test,

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01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 2: and I read today there are two brand new hotels

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01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 2: being constructed in Hamilton right now. I've had a handful

1845
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: of friends move to Hamilton the last couple of years.

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01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 3: Love it.

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01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 2: Commutes better, lifestyles better. You're still not that far from

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01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Auckland if you need to go to a meeting. Hamilton

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01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,000
Speaker 2: actually has quite a bit going for it. Maybe not

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01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 2: Hamilton itself, but good people there and close to some

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01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: good things. So I'm not writing Hamilton off completely right.

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01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,400
Speaker 2: It is six minutes away from seven. What are we

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01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 2: going out to tonight?

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01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 28: Ants we go at price tag by JESSEJ and Bob

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01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 28: to play us out tonight.

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Speaker 6: Ryan.

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01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,559
Speaker 28: Some good news from Jessej actually, because we had bad

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01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 28: news from the British prop singer earlier in June that

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01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 28: she actually had been diagnosed with cancer and she has

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01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 28: had a mass dectomy to get rid of it. And

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01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 28: now the good news that's out today they've done tests

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01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 28: and the cancer has not sprint, so that's very good.

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01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 28: She said she's basically got one more surgery to go

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01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 28: because she's had the mass deck to me and she

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01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:54,680
Speaker 28: wants to make these cousins look more like sisters. But

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01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 28: for now, she says, it's gratitude time, and I'm changing

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01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 28: my name to the Lotjess Monster, so clearly taking it

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01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 28: all with with good humor. But yeah, Price stag by

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01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 28: CJ to play us out tonight celebrated good news.

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Speaker 2: That's excellent news. And we'll leave you with a text

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Speaker 2: from Tim on the tax situation Ryan like, I'm like you,

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01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:16,320
Speaker 2: I'm not worth anywhere near twenty million dollars, but I

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01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,680
Speaker 2: aspire to be taxt me more. Remove my motivation to

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01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 2: work harder, et cetera. I won't ever be. I'm sixty

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Speaker 2: five years old, Tim, Tim, thanks for your text, Thanks

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01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 2: for all of your texts, all of your feedback, all

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01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 2: of your emails today. Very much enjoyed it. I'll see

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Speaker 2: you tomorrow from seven am on the heralds Herald Now

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01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: program or here on Drive from four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Tonight.

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Speaker 7: It's not about the money.

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01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 20: Money.

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01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,760
Speaker 7: Forget about the PRIs. I sayin' about the fun to

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01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 7: change to changing about the king, the playing the blame.

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01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 13: Want to make the world a day.

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01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 3: Forgot about the PRIs.

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Speaker 13: Then that that brow I say that lad, that that.

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01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 7: Last that that last brow I say about the money, money, money.

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01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 7: You don't need your money, any money. We don't want

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01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 7: to make a world day. Forget about the brown, getting

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01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 7: about there, trying to changing about that. You were playing

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01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 7: the brain, trying to make a word day. Cat about

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01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:56,440
Speaker 7: the brown.

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01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 30: Gives forget about a price.

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01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 27: Check me.

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Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive.

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