1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,507 Speaker 1: from News Talks. 3 00:00:11,587 --> 00:00:18,427 Speaker 2: Edbs have been stunned in their Rugby Championship opener in Johannesburg, 4 00:00:19,027 --> 00:00:19,987 Speaker 2: lost Thord. 5 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:24,227 Speaker 3: And intercept it right has got one to beats. 6 00:00:25,107 --> 00:00:29,667 Speaker 4: He beats for the soup and starter will not catch him. 7 00:00:30,027 --> 00:00:31,467 Speaker 4: And that's happy. 8 00:00:31,467 --> 00:00:33,947 Speaker 2: It will be that it was that the Wallabies have 9 00:00:34,027 --> 00:00:36,627 Speaker 2: produced one of the all time great second half performances, 10 00:00:36,867 --> 00:00:40,307 Speaker 2: coming back from twenty two nil down to win thirty 11 00:00:40,347 --> 00:00:43,747 Speaker 2: eight twenty two at Alice Park, their first win in 12 00:00:43,827 --> 00:00:47,667 Speaker 2: South Africa since twenty twelve, their first win at that 13 00:00:47,867 --> 00:00:52,547 Speaker 2: venue since nineteen sixty three. Let's bring in South African 14 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:55,067 Speaker 2: rugby expert and great made of the show, Mark Kahan. 15 00:00:55,267 --> 00:00:59,587 Speaker 2: He was at Alice Park, Mark, What on earth happened 16 00:00:59,587 --> 00:01:00,187 Speaker 2: in this game? 17 00:01:01,547 --> 00:01:01,747 Speaker 4: Made? 18 00:01:01,747 --> 00:01:05,547 Speaker 3: I've seen so many incredible moments from ninety two at 19 00:01:05,547 --> 00:01:09,187 Speaker 3: Alice Park and walking away, I saw another incredible one 20 00:01:09,187 --> 00:01:12,867 Speaker 3: today and it belonged to Australia. It was like it 21 00:01:12,947 --> 00:01:17,467 Speaker 3: was we were just stunned watching that second half performance, 22 00:01:17,987 --> 00:01:20,707 Speaker 3: but also in that first ten to fifteen the box 23 00:01:21,227 --> 00:01:24,467 Speaker 3: always said they played like the Highlanders at their best 24 00:01:25,027 --> 00:01:28,107 Speaker 3: and we were like, can they sustain this beyond twenty minutes? 25 00:01:28,347 --> 00:01:29,987 Speaker 3: And in the last ten minutes. 26 00:01:29,747 --> 00:01:32,067 Speaker 4: It looked like they had no legs, they were gassed. 27 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:36,387 Speaker 3: They played a game they hardly kicked, they hardly scrummed, 28 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:39,747 Speaker 3: and they couldn't catch a lineup ball. So in Australia, 29 00:01:40,147 --> 00:01:44,227 Speaker 3: wonderful athletes played very intelligently and were good enough to 30 00:01:44,347 --> 00:01:46,987 Speaker 3: kind of make every bounce count. 31 00:01:47,307 --> 00:01:49,547 Speaker 4: But if they got off another. 32 00:01:49,307 --> 00:01:51,827 Speaker 3: Ten and it's probably been fifty unanswered points and not 33 00:01:51,907 --> 00:01:54,787 Speaker 3: thirty eight, and just an incredible day for one of 34 00:01:54,827 --> 00:01:58,627 Speaker 3: these rugby incredible occasion, and. 35 00:01:59,987 --> 00:02:01,907 Speaker 4: I think maybe the punch that South Africa and the. 36 00:02:01,907 --> 00:02:05,747 Speaker 3: Spring Box needed after the Eufour of the World Cup win, 37 00:02:06,347 --> 00:02:08,947 Speaker 3: the ephoria of the Racy Championship win an eleven out 38 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:13,107 Speaker 3: of thirteen last season, they didn't get beats and they got. 39 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:15,507 Speaker 3: It started with a mugging, it ended up with an 40 00:02:15,507 --> 00:02:16,827 Speaker 3: attack that could have been criminal. 41 00:02:17,067 --> 00:02:20,067 Speaker 4: It was that dominant, incredible, incredible. 42 00:02:20,347 --> 00:02:22,627 Speaker 2: Does it feel though, like a blip or is it 43 00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:26,827 Speaker 2: symptomatic of some deeper problems for Russi Erasmus to fix. 44 00:02:28,067 --> 00:02:30,427 Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's it's got anything with the problem. 45 00:02:30,467 --> 00:02:33,547 Speaker 3: What it is is to a lot of players. Maybe 46 00:02:33,547 --> 00:02:36,427 Speaker 3: they're on the wrong side of thirty and some players 47 00:02:36,427 --> 00:02:39,627 Speaker 3: this isn't May retired themselves just because of performance, and he. 48 00:02:39,587 --> 00:02:43,067 Speaker 4: Doesn't have to have those odd conversations. I really think 49 00:02:43,067 --> 00:02:45,827 Speaker 4: it's just they've been riding the crest of a wave. 50 00:02:45,867 --> 00:02:48,027 Speaker 3: And you know, I spoke to Nick Madden the other 51 00:02:48,107 --> 00:02:50,147 Speaker 3: day and he said, has Russy been touched by God? 52 00:02:50,267 --> 00:02:52,707 Speaker 3: Because it doesn't matter what he does, he gets a 53 00:02:52,787 --> 00:02:55,787 Speaker 3: one point when Boden Barrett hits the post from in front. 54 00:02:55,867 --> 00:02:59,307 Speaker 4: They went in and went into New Zealand, and today 55 00:02:59,787 --> 00:03:00,627 Speaker 4: he wasn't touched. 56 00:03:00,747 --> 00:03:03,227 Speaker 3: Today they got punched, and they got punched really hot. 57 00:03:03,307 --> 00:03:06,507 Speaker 3: I think we'll look back in a year and say 58 00:03:06,547 --> 00:03:08,547 Speaker 3: a great day for Australian rugby, but probably one of 59 00:03:08,587 --> 00:03:11,267 Speaker 3: the best for the spring Box. Ahead of the big 60 00:03:11,307 --> 00:03:13,307 Speaker 3: tour from New Zealand next year and the twenty twenty 61 00:03:13,307 --> 00:03:16,507 Speaker 3: seven walk up. They really needed to lose, and lose 62 00:03:16,547 --> 00:03:20,747 Speaker 3: badly to just kind of bring them back off that pedestal, 63 00:03:20,987 --> 00:03:22,267 Speaker 3: bring them down from that cloud. 64 00:03:22,907 --> 00:03:25,387 Speaker 2: Let's give some credit to our Australian friends as well, 65 00:03:25,627 --> 00:03:28,747 Speaker 2: who stood out in a yellow jersey today. 66 00:03:29,307 --> 00:03:35,547 Speaker 3: Uh Benn O'Keeffe was amazing come. 67 00:03:36,587 --> 00:03:39,627 Speaker 4: No, he was good. I mean I thought they were 68 00:03:39,627 --> 00:03:40,667 Speaker 4: brilliant at the breakdown. 69 00:03:40,827 --> 00:03:43,827 Speaker 3: I actually thought Richie mccawady invented himself and come back 70 00:03:43,827 --> 00:03:46,587 Speaker 3: in a gold jumper because they was so good over 71 00:03:46,587 --> 00:03:48,707 Speaker 3: the ball. I think the penalty count over the ball 72 00:03:48,747 --> 00:03:53,427 Speaker 3: was eight penalties won by Australia. I thought the composer 73 00:03:53,507 --> 00:03:56,107 Speaker 3: that James O'Connor showed a ten thirty five year old 74 00:03:56,147 --> 00:03:59,707 Speaker 3: veteran having had a great season in terms of rugby. 75 00:03:59,507 --> 00:04:03,227 Speaker 4: Education under the Crusaders, he was good. I just felt 76 00:04:03,227 --> 00:04:04,147 Speaker 4: that they hunting well. 77 00:04:04,467 --> 00:04:06,947 Speaker 3: Joe Smith has been amazing with what he's done with 78 00:04:06,987 --> 00:04:09,187 Speaker 3: his team in the last year. We saw what he 79 00:04:09,227 --> 00:04:12,187 Speaker 3: did when he joined Fuzzy pre the twenty twenty three 80 00:04:12,187 --> 00:04:12,667 Speaker 3: Woral Cup. 81 00:04:13,507 --> 00:04:14,867 Speaker 4: You know, Russie walked to the press. 82 00:04:14,627 --> 00:04:17,867 Speaker 3: Conmens and he said out, thought, up, coached, up, muscled 83 00:04:17,867 --> 00:04:18,667 Speaker 3: out everything. 84 00:04:18,787 --> 00:04:20,947 Speaker 4: Do you guys have any answers for me? 85 00:04:21,547 --> 00:04:23,387 Speaker 3: And he said at once that the big thing was 86 00:04:23,427 --> 00:04:25,987 Speaker 3: they felt that they overplayed their hand and Australia were 87 00:04:25,987 --> 00:04:29,267 Speaker 3: good enough to counter punch and when they did, they 88 00:04:29,307 --> 00:04:31,907 Speaker 3: smashed them. So that first forty for Australia to hang 89 00:04:31,987 --> 00:04:33,867 Speaker 3: in there, I think it shows the spirit that they 90 00:04:33,947 --> 00:04:36,907 Speaker 3: bolt within the side of the joe and for them 91 00:04:37,347 --> 00:04:39,707 Speaker 3: to have that belief that they could come back and 92 00:04:39,787 --> 00:04:43,067 Speaker 3: reminded me a lot of that second test against that 93 00:04:43,147 --> 00:04:45,827 Speaker 3: the first test against Australia are the Lions where they 94 00:04:45,867 --> 00:04:49,667 Speaker 3: were really struggling. They had their great last eight minutes 95 00:04:49,787 --> 00:04:52,267 Speaker 3: and then they kind of bolt momentum. So credit to 96 00:04:52,267 --> 00:04:53,787 Speaker 3: the Wall who was just a great night. It's a 97 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:58,507 Speaker 3: golden Knight and they were emphatic winners. Their game management 98 00:04:58,587 --> 00:05:01,427 Speaker 3: was better, their approach was better, and it sets it 99 00:05:01,547 --> 00:05:05,347 Speaker 3: up for a wonderful thing because South Africans, despite their success, 100 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:08,507 Speaker 3: hate being favorites and now they'll arrived in Auckland as underdogs. 101 00:05:09,107 --> 00:05:11,387 Speaker 2: So this is all part of a grand plan to 102 00:05:11,627 --> 00:05:14,787 Speaker 2: allow us all into a false sense of security. 103 00:05:14,867 --> 00:05:19,267 Speaker 3: Mark No just to arrive in New Zealand thinking there's 104 00:05:19,267 --> 00:05:21,027 Speaker 3: no price that they can beat the audert They called 105 00:05:21,027 --> 00:05:22,707 Speaker 3: me in Australia. 106 00:05:22,267 --> 00:05:24,547 Speaker 4: Let us park, how can they ever beat New Zealand 107 00:05:24,547 --> 00:05:27,587 Speaker 4: at Eden Park? And then there's no pressure on them. 108 00:05:27,627 --> 00:05:30,107 Speaker 3: So look, I know that that is the beginning that 109 00:05:30,147 --> 00:05:33,467 Speaker 3: they target in for all these storical reasons, to test 110 00:05:33,507 --> 00:05:36,547 Speaker 3: themselves against the greatest bow that they have. You know, 111 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:39,307 Speaker 3: I was with a box twenty years ago, and the 112 00:05:39,307 --> 00:05:41,587 Speaker 3: one thing that always baffled me was the players just 113 00:05:41,747 --> 00:05:44,227 Speaker 3: meant it didn't seem to be as switched on when 114 00:05:44,227 --> 00:05:46,227 Speaker 3: there was a gold jersey as it was when there 115 00:05:46,227 --> 00:05:47,067 Speaker 3: was a black jersey. 116 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:49,387 Speaker 4: But maybe it needed a beating like this for them 117 00:05:49,427 --> 00:05:50,587 Speaker 4: to switch on for Cape Town. 118 00:05:50,667 --> 00:05:55,347 Speaker 3: So it makes for a very interesting seven days between 119 00:05:55,387 --> 00:05:56,067 Speaker 3: test matches. 120 00:05:56,307 --> 00:05:58,747 Speaker 2: We all know what a Caldron ellis Parker's and no 121 00:05:58,787 --> 00:06:02,587 Speaker 2: doubt the atmosphere would have changed across the across the afternoon. 122 00:06:03,107 --> 00:06:05,467 Speaker 2: Have you were there many Wallabies fans around it? You 123 00:06:05,547 --> 00:06:08,147 Speaker 2: have your bumped. Didn't do any in the time since 124 00:06:08,147 --> 00:06:08,947 Speaker 2: the final whistle? 125 00:06:09,987 --> 00:06:15,267 Speaker 4: Yeah, about fifty five thousand. We're in gold because you 126 00:06:15,307 --> 00:06:17,267 Speaker 4: know what they say in South Africa. We went nine 127 00:06:17,267 --> 00:06:18,787 Speaker 4: and we lose one. We're in crisis. Is a bit 128 00:06:18,827 --> 00:06:21,067 Speaker 4: like New Zealand the wannabes, they lose nine, they went 129 00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:22,427 Speaker 4: one in their back baby. 130 00:06:24,307 --> 00:06:26,747 Speaker 3: So yeah, there was a sprinkling, but I just thought 131 00:06:26,827 --> 00:06:29,067 Speaker 3: for them to come into that cauldron, a lot of 132 00:06:29,067 --> 00:06:31,227 Speaker 3: those players have never been to South Africa because the 133 00:06:31,227 --> 00:06:33,987 Speaker 3: no one will Super rugby and I shouldn't just give 134 00:06:34,067 --> 00:06:36,947 Speaker 3: credit give credits to the New Zealand. 135 00:06:36,667 --> 00:06:38,467 Speaker 4: Coached Australian side. 136 00:06:38,827 --> 00:06:42,267 Speaker 3: They were outstanding and so much credit to Joe Smith 137 00:06:42,347 --> 00:06:43,707 Speaker 3: for what he's done with that side. 138 00:06:43,947 --> 00:06:45,507 Speaker 4: And you know, I know he's. 139 00:06:45,387 --> 00:06:48,067 Speaker 3: Reason for not wanting to continue after the Racty Championship, 140 00:06:48,107 --> 00:06:50,587 Speaker 3: but it's a shame for rugby and obviously for Australia. 141 00:06:50,747 --> 00:06:52,707 Speaker 4: Les Case has got a big, big pair of boots 142 00:06:52,747 --> 00:06:54,627 Speaker 4: to fall when he does take over and then for 143 00:06:54,667 --> 00:06:57,427 Speaker 4: the Rugby Championship. I think it's just brilliant. This kind 144 00:06:57,467 --> 00:07:00,307 Speaker 4: of result just ignites it. But the game for me 145 00:07:00,387 --> 00:07:01,707 Speaker 4: was as bizarre as. 146 00:07:01,507 --> 00:07:04,147 Speaker 3: The one in Argentina last year when Australia conceded sixty 147 00:07:04,187 --> 00:07:08,667 Speaker 3: against Argentina. It's you were watching just thinking is this 148 00:07:08,787 --> 00:07:11,867 Speaker 3: really happening at Ellis Park against the spring Box team 149 00:07:11,867 --> 00:07:13,987 Speaker 3: that's went back to back World Cups, and. 150 00:07:13,987 --> 00:07:16,787 Speaker 4: It was it was like, just blow this end whistle because. 151 00:07:17,507 --> 00:07:20,987 Speaker 3: These guys just they look amused, they look fatigued, and 152 00:07:21,027 --> 00:07:22,707 Speaker 3: they looked out on their feet and it's reminded me 153 00:07:22,747 --> 00:07:24,867 Speaker 3: of Anthony Joshua the first time he got clocked by 154 00:07:24,987 --> 00:07:26,627 Speaker 3: Ruiz and he looked to his corner. 155 00:07:26,707 --> 00:07:28,867 Speaker 4: What's happening now? I don't know, mate, but I think 156 00:07:28,867 --> 00:07:29,987 Speaker 4: you're about to get knocked down. 157 00:07:30,467 --> 00:07:33,027 Speaker 3: That's that's kind of our fault from me watching it 158 00:07:32,427 --> 00:07:35,627 Speaker 3: that it was just the people are kind of gobsmacked 159 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:38,027 Speaker 3: and stunned, so there's a bit of silence when we 160 00:07:38,107 --> 00:07:38,707 Speaker 3: left the ground. 161 00:07:38,827 --> 00:07:40,507 Speaker 4: People are not quite in a boy and mood. 162 00:07:40,947 --> 00:07:42,867 Speaker 3: But I think we'll look back in time and applaud 163 00:07:42,907 --> 00:07:46,067 Speaker 3: this Australian side and also thinks it's a very good 164 00:07:46,107 --> 00:07:49,027 Speaker 3: result for the spring Box and how they bolt towards 165 00:07:49,027 --> 00:07:49,707 Speaker 3: the next World. 166 00:07:49,507 --> 00:07:52,307 Speaker 2: Cup and historic day. Mike, you've given us a brilliant, 167 00:07:52,387 --> 00:07:55,227 Speaker 2: brilliant insight into it, mate, Thanks for joining us across 168 00:07:55,227 --> 00:07:57,987 Speaker 2: New Zealand. We'll catch up again soon. Thanks Matte, Thank 169 00:07:58,027 --> 00:08:00,467 Speaker 2: you mate. That is marke Keohen Who was it? Ellis Park? 170 00:08:00,467 --> 00:08:01,107 Speaker 2: What a character? 171 00:08:01,907 --> 00:08:05,067 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 172 00:08:05,187 --> 00:08:08,467 Speaker 1: to news Talks it'd be weekends from midday or follow 173 00:08:08,507 --> 00:08:10,107 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.