1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Barry Soper, Senior Political Correspondence with a Sala. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 2: Barry, Good afternoon, Heather. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Right, So it turns out I was just explaining just 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: a minute ago. It turns out that all the flurry 5 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: yesterday was basically caused by this what appears to be 6 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: pretty stock standard Sunday night meeting. 7 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 2: It is, And look, I've talked around the traps today 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: and essentially the Prime Minister, if he wasn't holding a 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: Sunday night meeting, that's the last meeting before cabinet, and 10 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 2: it's his kitchen cabinet, if you like, he wouldn't be 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: doing his job. So you know, you've got to have 12 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: a discussion with people the inner circle before you go 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: into cabinet the next day. So that's what happened, And 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: of course it's seen as something sinister because polls. Everybody's 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: so concentrated on the poles at the moment. But in 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: caucus today there was nothing in terms of Luckson's leadership 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 2: or whatever. 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Have you heard though that there are some backbenches who 19 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: are getting grumpy. 20 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: There are some backbenchers that are worried about their jobs 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: because if the polling translates and deceats, they would lose theirs. 22 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 2: So that always happens. Heither that they don't have the numbers. 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 2: That no, they do not have the numbers to replace them. 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: Okay, now what kind of compensation could David Tamahay get. 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's absolutely fascinating because rules were drawn 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: up by cabinet. The one the case that I remember 27 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: well is Arthur Allen Thomas, and I remember, you know 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: back in nineteen seventy nine under the Muldoon government, he 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: got a million dollars for his nine years that he 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: spent in prison for the crew members before he of 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: the crew family before he was pardoned. So a million 32 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: dollars in today's terms comes out to about six to 33 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: seven million dollars. 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: So he got on No, hod on, how does nine 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: million become six? 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: No? 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: One, it was one million he got paid? Oh right, 38 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: he got paid in nineteen seventy nine. He got paid 39 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: one million dollars, which in today's money is six to 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: seven million dollars. Now, Cabinet have guidelines for the payouts 41 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: and they started off it was in nineteen ninety eight. 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: I think they came out with these rules one hundred 43 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: k for each year spent in prison if it's wrongful 44 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: imprisonment or if like Arthur All and Thomas who are 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: pardoned the Justice Ministry, though they later increased that to 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty k a year, meaning that tammer 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: Herry could expect at least three million dollars for the 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 2: twenty years that he spent inside. Other factors are also considered, 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 2: like loss of income, re entry costs to the community, 50 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: legal costs, meaning the total could be adjusted up to 51 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty depending on just how serious the 52 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: miscarriage was. That's another one hundred and fifty k on 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: top of the money who had already repaid. 54 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like it's going to go. That 55 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: will be debated, right because if old mate got it 56 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine and he got the equivalent of 57 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: six to seven million for nine years, and you're ending 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: up with only three million for a lot. 59 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 2: Long These are new rules though, Yeah, so these are 60 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: much more hard. 61 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 3: Now. 62 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: What happened in Parliament today then, well it. 63 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: Was fascinating really. The Greens are calling the basically calling 64 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: on the government to make public transport free. That's not 65 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: unusual for them. They describe it as the fossil fuel crisis, 66 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: but the Associate Energy Minister Shane Jones did battle interestingly 67 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: with the Speaker Jerry Brownlee, saying he's now working on 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: an alternative storage capacity tanker. Maybe off Marsden Points is 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: one option, it seems. But it was again Jonesy's hobby 70 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: horse that rattled Brownlee. 71 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: Once the refinery was closed, New Zealand lost seven hundred 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: million worth of storage capacity. Lot no further than that 73 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 4: side of the house. 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: The answer was fine right up until the last minute. 75 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: It's the government who's accountable here, not the opposition. A 76 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: point of order, A point of order for the honorable 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: shame Jones. 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: I think you are being unfair. I know that it 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: may seem contradictory that I'd be the purveyor of truth 80 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 4: and righteousness, because only a week ago, Sir I was 81 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: brandishing a cabinet paper. The cabinet paper says, labor agreed to. 82 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: The closure of the refinement. 83 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 4: How can I possibly be wrong? 84 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: Cabinet paper says that if you were to interpret anyway, 85 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: it would be that the government of the day chose 86 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: not to support it remaining open, which was a quite 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 3: tallyged proposition. 88 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: Ye see, I couldn't quite see the difference. 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: To be frank, well yeah, I'm yeah, well I mean 90 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of right, yeah, I know, kind of both right. Listen, 91 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: Thank you, Barry appreciate it. 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