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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from US talks by helping you get those DIY projects

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Speaker 1: done right. The Resident Builder with Peter wolf Camp Call

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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighteen eighteen Youth Talks v.

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Speaker 2: The house sizzle even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in.

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Speaker 3: The yard, even when the dog is too old to bar,

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Speaker 3: and when.

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Speaker 4: You're sitting at the table trying not to starve ouse.

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Speaker 5: Scissor home even when we are.

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Speaker 2: Bend, even when you're therells.

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Speaker 4: Houses a long, even when there's cost, even when.

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Speaker 3: You go around from the ones you love your.

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Speaker 2: Most screamed us broken pains, apeing in front of.

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Speaker 3: Locals, vesperable when they're going and.

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Speaker 4: Leaving neighbor house, even when wilbra ben, even when you're

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Speaker 4: in there, looney.

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Speaker 6: We're very very falling. And welcome along to the Resident

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Speaker 6: Builder on Sunday. You with me Peter wolf Camp, the

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Speaker 6: Resident Builder, and this is your opportunity to talk all

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Speaker 6: things building construction, uh DIY, home maintenance, repairs, looking after

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Speaker 6: the place that hopefully looks after you. We're talking about

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Speaker 6: your house, of course, So if you've got a question

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Speaker 6: of a building nature, this is the show for you.

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Speaker 6: Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 6: number to call. You can text of course, that's nine

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Speaker 6: two nine two or zbzb from your mobile phone. And

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Speaker 6: if you'd like to send me an email, you're more

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Speaker 6: than welcome. It's Pete ATNEWSTALKSEB dot co dot nz. So

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Speaker 6: Pete p E t E at Newstalk SB dot co

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Speaker 6: dot z. And for those of you who perhaps don't

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Speaker 6: have the advantage of a smartphone or a smart watch

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Speaker 6: that automatically updates overnight, it is, of course we've entered

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Speaker 6: into daylight saving And if I give you about four

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Speaker 6: or five seconds, it is officially nine minutes after six

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Speaker 6: on this the twenty eighth of September. So join me

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Speaker 6: on the program, ask some questions, let's have a bit

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Speaker 6: of a debate if you'd like to. Actually, I've got

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Speaker 6: a question for you today as well. I remembered during

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Speaker 6: the week that i've I've stopped, haven't really regularly done

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Speaker 6: my terribly unscientific, unthought out, ill considered text questions. And

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Speaker 6: I was driving around the other day and what I

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Speaker 6: noticed it was like a promotional thing for the one

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Speaker 6: of the added features I guess of getting an EV

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Speaker 6: or a hybrid ute, and there's a few of them

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Speaker 6: out there at the moment, is that a lot of

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Speaker 6: them come with a standard three pin plug in the

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Speaker 6: chess in the in the tray right, And I'm thinking, actually,

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Speaker 6: that kind of could be quite useful. So if you've

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Speaker 6: got one of these new fangled devices, one of these

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Speaker 6: evs or hybrid utes, do you actually make use of

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Speaker 6: the fact that you can, for example, put your charger

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Speaker 6: in there or I don't know whether it would give

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Speaker 6: you sufficient juice to run a circular saw or something

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Speaker 6: like that, or you know, but I'm thinking charging your phone.

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Speaker 6: You can already do that out of the car, but

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Speaker 6: you know, charging plugging in a battery charger for your

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Speaker 6: cordless batteries, that would actually be I think quite useful.

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Speaker 6: So anyway, if that's a feature, just text me and

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Speaker 6: let me know if you're using it and if it's

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Speaker 6: actually very useful or will it run the toasted sandwich maker?

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Speaker 6: That's probably even more important. On a building site radio,

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Speaker 6: let's talk all things building construction. It's fairly topical at

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Speaker 6: the moment. There's lots of changes, lots of debate, lots

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Speaker 6: of discussion, and actually just in the we got talking

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Speaker 6: and the fact that there's no way to hide the

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Speaker 6: figures right construction demolition, waste contributes way over it's sort

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Speaker 6: of portion of the economy. Let's say, our contribution to landfill,

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Speaker 6: to the amount of material that goes to landfill is

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Speaker 6: far beyond the scale of the industry, and I think

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Speaker 6: something needs to be done. Then in the story, a

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Speaker 6: moment ago on the news actually at six o'clock was

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Speaker 6: about this great battery hunt. We might talk about that

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Speaker 6: and what do you do with them when they die?

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Speaker 6: I'm sure any of wastemans are running this battery hunt

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Speaker 6: thing which I just heard about now, which is interesting. Right,

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Speaker 6: talking building, construction, renovating rules and regulations, maybe new products,

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Speaker 6: new ideas as well. If there's something that you've come

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Speaker 6: talk about that on the show this morning as well.

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Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine to nine two

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Speaker 6: also really looking forward to Root this after or this

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Speaker 6: catching up with Rud in person here at newstalks 'b

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Speaker 6: on a Monday or Sunday, Sunday morning of daylight saving.

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Speaker 6: Let's get into it. William, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Greetings William, good morning.

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Speaker 7: How are you this morning?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, very well, thank you and yourself.

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Speaker 7: Good good win for the avs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was driving, so I had it on the radio,

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Speaker 6: which is actually quite a good way of getting a commentary,

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Speaker 6: I think from pie.

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Speaker 7: I go for it. Sorry, have a particular particular problem,

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Speaker 7: but I just wanted to get your take on why

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Speaker 7: is it we can't build apartments and houses in this country?

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Speaker 7: St Mark's the latest leaking membrane roofs, leaking podium car

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Speaker 7: forty apartments of three hundred million dollar a medial. I mean,

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Speaker 7: even where you drive around Organ there's plastic area. Where

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Speaker 7: why is it we can't build buildings in New Seva.

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Speaker 6: The good thing about asking question like that is you've

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Speaker 6: to late thirty right about what it is. And yeah,

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Speaker 6: there's I think sometimes unfortunately so much of the discussion

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Speaker 6: becomes tries to be really simplistic, right, so people will

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Speaker 6: the apprenticeship scheme. That's one of the things that has

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Speaker 6: I guess we're talking about, you know, twenty five years

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Speaker 6: past the worst of that time roughly.

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Speaker 7: But it's still interrupted, it's still going on. We gotn't

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Speaker 7: resolve it. And then to add salt to injury, some

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Speaker 7: of these construction individuals put themselves of a voluntary liquidation

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Speaker 6: Yep, Yeah, there's no denying that, right. I mean, I

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Speaker 6: based on my experience it's over the last teen twelve

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Speaker 6: new builds, and I look at, I suppose the detail

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Speaker 6: in terms of cavities and overhangs, and even simple things

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Speaker 6: like the introduction of a risk matrix, right that at

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Speaker 6: least alerts someone to if you're going to build something

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Speaker 6: that's not fairly conventional, if it's too storied, if it's

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Speaker 6: if it's a high wind zone. Those sorts of things,

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Speaker 6: then the risk of the building leaking are higher, and

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Speaker 6: then what are you going to do about that? And

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Speaker 6: there's a corresponding set of measures to go. Okay, well,

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Speaker 6: I mean almost every single building these days is on

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Speaker 6: opportunity for water to get through. And if that does,

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Speaker 6: what can we do to protect the framing the structure

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Speaker 6: of the building. Well, let's put a cavity on and

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Speaker 6: that allows for drainage. It also allows for ventilation and

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Speaker 6: for drying. Right, so if we do have some water

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Speaker 6: pretty hard to build something now that's going to cause

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Speaker 6: you problems in the future. But at the same time,

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Speaker 6: some poor building methodology, some people not reading the plans,

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Speaker 6: and you know it's in the public record now, right

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Speaker 6: that your discussion about the Saint Mark's building, it would

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Speaker 6: a problem. What five six years later, ten years later,

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Speaker 6: seven years later, I think it is.

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Speaker 7: So. The other thing is what about the responsibility of

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Speaker 7: are being crossed? Is there a lack of expertise there?

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Speaker 6: Look, my own experience, and I say this quite genuinely,

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Speaker 6: is for ninety nine percent of the council inspectors that

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Speaker 6: even minor changes, there's minor variations or amendments, And I

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Speaker 6: guess there's more in adherence to the plans, and that

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Speaker 6: always found that there was kind of, by agreement, a

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Speaker 6: that didn't involve resubmitting plans. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 6: But no, look, I think, yes, there are always going

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Speaker 6: like you and I standing there going well, they're not

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Speaker 6: blah blah. But in general I've found that the inspectors

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Speaker 6: have been good, they've been informed. The level of qualification

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Speaker 6: again it's actually fairly significant. So but can you know

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Speaker 6: the other I think to be fair to inspectors as well,

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Speaker 6: they're not there to actually comment on workmanship, right, so

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Speaker 6: they're there to look at building code compliant. So if

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Speaker 6: something complies with the building code, then they'll pass it.

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Speaker 6: If it's not terribly well done but still compliant, that

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Speaker 6: it's not their job to do building quality.

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Speaker 6: In that sense, you do wonder whether maybe the missing

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Speaker 6: part is you know, if you were if you were

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Speaker 6: a client, right, if you decided, right, I'm going to

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Speaker 6: get a builder to build me a house, right, and

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Speaker 6: how would you go about ensuring that it was done

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Speaker 6: to a quality that you would be happy with.

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Speaker 6: And they did, you know, and certainly I've been back.

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Speaker 6: No need to, but that's exactly what they did. Really

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Speaker 6: appreciate the call, and I think you've left me with

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Speaker 6: There's a question for you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 6: minutes after six, William, Thank you for getting us started today.

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Speaker 6: If you've got a question of a building nature, call

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Speaker 6: Very good text.

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Speaker 6: Is quality a purely subjective thing or can it actually

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Speaker 6: Is that a defect? No, probably not, because the guidances

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Speaker 6: I've seen plenty of families and individuals whose lives have

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Speaker 6: just been turned upside down at the fact that they've

429
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Speaker 6: ended up buying something that's required significant amount of repair

430
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Speaker 6: resources that they just don't have, and they end up

431
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Speaker 6: walking away from the property basically either in debt or

432
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Speaker 6: having made nothing, or not even getting their initial investment

433
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Speaker 6: in the property back. And that has been devastating for hundreds,

434
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Speaker 6: possibly that of Kiwis over the last twenty five years.

435
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Speaker 6: Your thoughts eight hundred eighty ten eighty The lines are open,

436
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Speaker 6: the number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty eleven

437
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Speaker 6: the text as well. We'll get onto the transportables in

438
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Speaker 6: just a moment. Insurance is a key component in insuring

439
00:27:21,135 --> 00:27:24,375
Speaker 6: quality and quality issues. There's a bit more to unpacking

440
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Speaker 6: that because, to be blunt, there's actually not that many

441
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Speaker 6: genuine insurance policies out there for building. So if you

442
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Speaker 6: want to give me a call, be happy to chat

443
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Speaker 6: about that as well. Six thirty six here at news

444
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Speaker 6: Talk ZB doing up the.

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Speaker 1: House, storting the garden, asked Pete for a hand the

446
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Speaker 1: resident builder with Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty

447
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Speaker 1: ten eighty News Talk.

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Speaker 6: ZEDB interesting just he's a text from someone had self

449
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Speaker 6: certification on a substantial EQC repair in christ Church. Everything

450
00:27:59,375 --> 00:28:01,735
Speaker 6: went fine, had the engineer sign it off. That's from Neil,

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Speaker 6: Thanks for that. And again I made the comment just

452
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Speaker 6: before the break from Texter who said insurance is a

453
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Speaker 6: key component in insurance quality and quality issues.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But to the best of my knowledge, the only genuine

456
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Speaker 6: insurance policy for new builds or for building work it's

457
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Speaker 6: offered by one company in New Zealand, and there are

458
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Speaker 6: strict criteria in terms of being able to get that

459
00:28:36,455 --> 00:28:43,015
Speaker 6: policy attached to a new build. So I agree with you,

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Speaker 6: but I think let's not presume that that's widely available.

461
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Speaker 6: You could argue that it should be, but right now

462
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Speaker 6: it's not. Allan good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 5: My question is our fire scrapes boas to be on

464
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Speaker 5: two story builders? No, nor are they on three story buildings. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I noticed.

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Speaker 5: We had a fire, and I'll tell you what happened.

467
00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:31,615
Speaker 5: The gas was going, guess Dave was going. The wind

468
00:29:31,655 --> 00:29:36,855
Speaker 5: blew the stave out. No one realized that right out.

469
00:29:38,935 --> 00:29:41,415
Speaker 5: Someone come in and let let it.

470
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Speaker 7: And Bom.

471
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Speaker 5: Raced out the door, caught the curtains and the drapes

472
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Speaker 5: on fire. The cat's burnt well, the smoke goes upstairs,

473
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Speaker 5: the kids upstairs can't get out because of all the smoke,

474
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Speaker 5: and yeah, top six smoke. If we have a where

475
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Speaker 5: he had some good neighbors at the time, there wasn't

476
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Speaker 5: to the neighbors been a big different story.

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Speaker 6: Sure, sure, and look ellen, when I say no, you

478
00:30:21,215 --> 00:30:24,735
Speaker 6: don't need a fire escape or anything like that, that's

479
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Speaker 6: not to say that new buildings of two stories and

480
00:30:28,935 --> 00:30:34,695
Speaker 6: three stories there isn't consideration around design for what happens

481
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Speaker 6: in the event that there's a fire. So for some

482
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Speaker 6: of the sort of three story buildings that I've been

483
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Speaker 6: involved with with the last couple of years, I've actually

484
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Speaker 6: seen on the drawings and discussed with the designers the

485
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Speaker 6: way in which they have to comply, let's say, with

486
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Speaker 6: fire safety regulations. So, for example, there's there's information about

487
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Speaker 6: there's there's a thing in there around the length. There's

488
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Speaker 6: a distance from a habitable space to an exit door,

489
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Speaker 6: which is specific distance, and if the building is within

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Speaker 6: that and it's something like seventy six meters, right, might

491
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Speaker 6: even be less than that. No, seventy six meters is

492
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Speaker 6: the length from where a fire engine will stand to

493
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Speaker 6: a potential habitable space. That might you might need to

494
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Speaker 6: get a fire hose too, And then there's other code

495
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Speaker 6: requirements in terms of egress from a building in the

496
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Speaker 6: event of fire, and there's very very specific measurements around

497
00:31:36,695 --> 00:31:39,895
Speaker 6: all of these things, so you know, new RB builds

498
00:31:39,935 --> 00:31:44,215
Speaker 6: will have been built having to comply with those regulations.

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Speaker 6: The other really really interesting thing, and I must get

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Speaker 6: someone on to talk about this, is there's been a

501
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Speaker 6: change in the building code recently where smoke detectors and

502
00:31:54,895 --> 00:31:59,295
Speaker 6: fire alarms no. Smoke detectors in residential buildings will now

503
00:31:59,455 --> 00:32:04,815
Speaker 6: need to be interlinked, so they'll need to be connected

504
00:32:04,855 --> 00:32:08,895
Speaker 6: to each other because obviously, as we move to more

505
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Speaker 6: double story and three story buildings, having let's say a

506
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Speaker 6: smoke detector downstairs near the kitchen that might have picked

507
00:32:16,775 --> 00:32:19,295
Speaker 6: up on a fire like the one that your family experience,

508
00:32:19,855 --> 00:32:22,855
Speaker 6: may not alert someone on the top floor having an

509
00:32:22,895 --> 00:32:28,375
Speaker 6: afternoon snooze that there's a fire down below, in which case,

510
00:32:28,735 --> 00:32:31,055
Speaker 6: by the time that they might have again in your

511
00:32:31,095 --> 00:32:34,415
Speaker 6: family situation, smelt smoke or been aware to it, or

512
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Speaker 6: been alerted by a neighbor, the fire will be more

513
00:32:37,575 --> 00:32:42,175
Speaker 6: fully involved. So from now on, all smoke detectors will

514
00:32:42,215 --> 00:32:45,135
Speaker 6: need to be interlinked so if one goes off, they

515
00:32:45,175 --> 00:32:47,135
Speaker 6: all go off. And I think that's actually going to

516
00:32:47,135 --> 00:32:48,055
Speaker 6: be a really good thing.

517
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Speaker 5: We had four smoke alarms. You could hardly hear yourself

518
00:32:54,935 --> 00:33:04,215
Speaker 5: talk other thing squawking really rock the neighbors out. They

519
00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:06,175
Speaker 5: grabbed the fire their hose.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing, And.

521
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Speaker 5: Yeah, one person upstairs.

522
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Speaker 8: Opened the window and the neighbor chucked the fire hose upstairs.

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Speaker 6: And can I ask you, maybe a rather delicate question,

524
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Speaker 6: the person who was upstairs, do you feel that there

525
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Speaker 6: was no other way of safely exiting the building?

526
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Speaker 5: No, there wasn't. Wow, they had to go downstairs. You've

527
00:33:41,775 --> 00:33:44,895
Speaker 5: had to go downstairs to get out the door. There

528
00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:48,535
Speaker 5: was two doors downstairs, but that was it.

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Speaker 6: And it wasn't like a landing on the What was

530
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Speaker 6: a two story building?

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Speaker 3: It was a flat, yeah, two storied.

532
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yeah, the neighbors coming from both sides. Yeah, yeah.

533
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Speaker 5: The there was a door at the end and a

534
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Speaker 5: door on the side. And the person upstairs yell that

535
00:34:21,975 --> 00:34:24,575
Speaker 5: the person they chucked the hose up their hoes up

536
00:34:24,895 --> 00:34:29,415
Speaker 5: and they run it over and did it had a

537
00:34:31,895 --> 00:34:36,615
Speaker 5: hand the nozzle part. It's reasonably heavy. And I checked

538
00:34:36,615 --> 00:34:42,055
Speaker 5: it up and she caught it and and yeah.

539
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Speaker 7: But then.

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Speaker 6: Because you know, before people get the impression that this

541
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Speaker 6: is what you should do. And it worked for you guys,

542
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Speaker 6: and I'm sure you're incredibly thankful for that, you know.

543
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Speaker 6: I'm sure that anyone from friends listening would say the

544
00:34:56,855 --> 00:34:59,935
Speaker 6: advices don't try and fight it, get out right or

545
00:35:00,175 --> 00:35:03,975
Speaker 6: or you know, get out but didn't. Yeah, I know,

546
00:35:04,055 --> 00:35:05,935
Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying.

547
00:35:05,935 --> 00:35:10,135
Speaker 6: I I just don't want to give an impression that

548
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Speaker 6: this is something that will work in all cases. It

549
00:35:13,855 --> 00:35:17,615
Speaker 6: might work in some, but all of the advices if

550
00:35:17,615 --> 00:35:22,455
Speaker 6: there's a fire, get out right, you know, get out

551
00:35:22,455 --> 00:35:24,175
Speaker 6: and stay out. I think as.

552
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Speaker 5: The the person that lit the stage.

553
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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh hey, look, that's truly you terrifying. And I'm

554
00:35:32,735 --> 00:35:34,815
Speaker 6: sure it's not uncommon. I mean that happens from time

555
00:35:34,855 --> 00:35:37,375
Speaker 6: to time, isn't it. You know, maybe the gas fire

556
00:35:37,455 --> 00:35:40,535
Speaker 6: goes out, or the gas hob goes out, you don't

557
00:35:40,535 --> 00:35:43,535
Speaker 6: notice or look. I think I've been guilty of it

558
00:35:43,935 --> 00:35:47,535
Speaker 6: myself one time, certainly had another sort of near care

559
00:35:47,775 --> 00:35:51,055
Speaker 6: or near miss like that myself. But allan just to

560
00:35:51,095 --> 00:35:54,095
Speaker 6: reassure you and anyone else who might be listening. It's

561
00:35:54,135 --> 00:35:57,615
Speaker 6: not like buildings today of two and three stories or

562
00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:02,055
Speaker 6: any building gets designed without some consideration to fire safety.

563
00:36:03,335 --> 00:36:06,975
Speaker 6: And again, when I was supervising these particular bills, it

564
00:36:07,015 --> 00:36:10,255
Speaker 6: was quite interesting to see the detail of design, the

565
00:36:10,335 --> 00:36:14,975
Speaker 6: level of detail of design around distances, egress, how long

566
00:36:15,015 --> 00:36:18,695
Speaker 6: it might take someone, what the possible other exits are.

567
00:36:19,135 --> 00:36:23,055
Speaker 6: So there is consideration too fire safety in our designs,

568
00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:25,935
Speaker 6: which is great. But I think what's really exciting I

569
00:36:26,415 --> 00:36:29,895
Speaker 6: personally think is the interlinked smoke alarms. I think that's

570
00:36:29,935 --> 00:36:33,495
Speaker 6: a really sensible change to the building code to require

571
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Speaker 6: interlinked smoke alarms, but it kind of hasn't had a

572
00:36:36,495 --> 00:36:39,135
Speaker 6: lot of publicity, So I think there's an opportunity for

573
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Speaker 6: me to maybe reach out to Fens or someone like

574
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Speaker 6: that and get some decent advice on that. I'll keep

575
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Speaker 6: you up to date. Coming up to eleven minutes after seven,

576
00:36:47,615 --> 00:36:51,135
Speaker 6: Yes it is eleven minutes to seven. Clocks have gone forward.

577
00:36:51,175 --> 00:36:52,375
Speaker 6: We're into daylight saving.

578
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Speaker 7: Oh.

579
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Speaker 6: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

580
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Speaker 6: call back after the break.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting with ceiling, fixing with FENS, or wondering

582
00:36:58,575 --> 00:37:00,615
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give feed

583
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Speaker 1: Wolf gafcall on eight eighty the resident builder on Youth Dogs.

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Speaker 6: B Button Harder, Hey, Pete Wellpen whose job is it

585
00:37:11,695 --> 00:37:13,375
Speaker 6: to ensure the quality of the build? If you ask

586
00:37:13,455 --> 00:37:15,575
Speaker 6: the builder, they'll say that they followed the code but

587
00:37:15,615 --> 00:37:18,775
Speaker 6: finish and po yeah, is very poor. In fact, new

588
00:37:18,815 --> 00:37:21,615
Speaker 6: homes have leaked. Now the minister wants self certification. So

589
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Speaker 6: I'm really interested in that one. I like that text

590
00:37:24,375 --> 00:37:35,815
Speaker 6: from Gerard on that one. Someone, Yeah, I'm sure about

591
00:37:35,855 --> 00:37:37,895
Speaker 6: that text. I might come back to that bit later on.

592
00:37:38,455 --> 00:37:40,815
Speaker 6: If you've got a text that you'd like to set

593
00:37:40,855 --> 00:37:43,335
Speaker 6: well by all means, it's nine two ninety two, or

594
00:37:43,335 --> 00:37:46,215
Speaker 6: if you'd like to give us a call, it's oh,

595
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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Ross good.

596
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Speaker 9: Morning, Yes, good morning. It's just about the leaky building situation.

597
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Speaker 9: I lived in Canada in the in the seventies and

598
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Speaker 9: they had leaky building situation there in the early part

599
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Speaker 9: of the seventies. And they in fact, they had whole

600
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Speaker 9: suburbs that had tar pole and over them because of

601
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Speaker 9: the leaky building. And they used to call them tap

602
00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:14,815
Speaker 9: hole at type cities and it was and they solved

603
00:38:14,895 --> 00:38:15,615
Speaker 9: the problem.

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Speaker 10: Now it's a pity that someone can't do a research

605
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Speaker 10: to find out what they did as far as builders requirement.

606
00:38:21,895 --> 00:38:23,735
Speaker 10: So one of the things I know that they did

607
00:38:23,975 --> 00:38:26,695
Speaker 10: was that every builder had to guarantee the product for

608
00:38:26,815 --> 00:38:30,455
Speaker 10: ten years. Their house could not be their house had

609
00:38:30,495 --> 00:38:32,775
Speaker 10: to be in their name. It could not be put

610
00:38:32,815 --> 00:38:36,615
Speaker 10: in the wife's name. So there was any problem, you

611
00:38:36,695 --> 00:38:39,135
Speaker 10: could go back and sue the builder. And he had

612
00:38:39,175 --> 00:38:43,975
Speaker 10: a house at stake, so his own property. If he

613
00:38:44,095 --> 00:38:46,655
Speaker 10: was a building company, he still had to put his

614
00:38:46,735 --> 00:38:51,455
Speaker 10: house up as guarantee for his product. And there was

615
00:38:51,695 --> 00:38:53,375
Speaker 10: and you would have to go to someone like the

616
00:38:53,415 --> 00:38:55,815
Speaker 10: Internal affairs to find out about it. It'd be worth

617
00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:58,975
Speaker 10: while doing some research. And it was all linked in

618
00:38:59,015 --> 00:39:05,255
Speaker 10: to insurance policies because there was a situation where it

619
00:39:05,335 --> 00:39:08,855
Speaker 10: was so watertime to the guarantees the insurance companies would

620
00:39:08,895 --> 00:39:13,255
Speaker 10: take up, would would sign up policies for builders. You

621
00:39:13,375 --> 00:39:15,455
Speaker 10: had to be a license builder, You could not be

622
00:39:15,575 --> 00:39:18,975
Speaker 10: a fly by nighter, and anyone that wanting to build

623
00:39:19,015 --> 00:39:22,855
Speaker 10: a house could could was guaranteed. The fact that the

624
00:39:22,855 --> 00:39:25,975
Speaker 10: builder was a qualified builder, had done his time, and

625
00:39:26,055 --> 00:39:31,015
Speaker 10: that there was uh funds available via the via the

626
00:39:31,095 --> 00:39:35,935
Speaker 10: guarantee to rectify any and all problems. And I take

627
00:39:35,975 --> 00:39:39,015
Speaker 10: the attitude that my check doesn't balance when I pay

628
00:39:39,095 --> 00:39:42,935
Speaker 10: for something, so why should someone's work bounce? And that

629
00:39:43,095 --> 00:39:48,295
Speaker 10: was the premise for the warranties and the guarantees. And

630
00:39:48,735 --> 00:39:52,135
Speaker 10: here we've got a situation where there's self certification. They

631
00:39:52,135 --> 00:39:56,135
Speaker 10: wouldn't have that with the bull's roar in Canada, especially

632
00:39:56,135 --> 00:40:00,215
Speaker 10: in Vancouver, a British company where the problem started. We

633
00:40:00,215 --> 00:40:03,895
Speaker 10: were skating over this problem and it's going to surface

634
00:40:04,095 --> 00:40:08,335
Speaker 10: time and time and time again until there's some sort

635
00:40:08,375 --> 00:40:12,655
Speaker 10: of system that was embraces the Canadian system and they've

636
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Speaker 10: solved their problem.

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Speaker 6: I can assume you've every single day a lot of

638
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Speaker 6: I know a lot of people. I know of a

639
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Speaker 6: lot of people that went or have done the research

640
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Speaker 6: based on the Canadian experience. And I think what some

641
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Speaker 6: of what you've discussed has come into New Zealand as

642
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Speaker 6: a result perhaps of research that's come from the Canadian experience,

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Speaker 6: because lots of building professionals here were aware of what

644
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Speaker 6: had happened in Canada. Lots of people went to look

645
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Speaker 6: at the situation there and some of those things around qualification,

646
00:40:45,855 --> 00:40:49,055
Speaker 6: so that the LBP system, for example, that's here at

647
00:40:49,055 --> 00:40:52,135
Speaker 6: the moment, which is restricted building work can only be

648
00:40:52,175 --> 00:40:55,575
Speaker 6: done or supervised by a licensed building practitioner, is in

649
00:40:55,615 --> 00:40:59,695
Speaker 6: a direct result to some of those failures that we experienced,

650
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Speaker 6: and possibly based on the experience of the Canadians as well,

651
00:41:02,815 --> 00:41:05,695
Speaker 6: and many other things as well. I'm intrigued though, to

652
00:41:05,855 --> 00:41:10,415
Speaker 6: talk bit more about the insurance because people are talking

653
00:41:10,415 --> 00:41:13,455
Speaker 6: about it as if it's there and available right now,

654
00:41:13,615 --> 00:41:16,135
Speaker 6: and it sort of is, but only in a very

655
00:41:16,175 --> 00:41:21,295
Speaker 6: limited sense. So I know there's increasing disquiet, let's say,

656
00:41:21,655 --> 00:41:23,535
Speaker 6: around the insurance back after the break.

657
00:41:24,335 --> 00:41:26,495
Speaker 3: Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

658
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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

659
00:41:30,175 --> 00:41:31,695
Speaker 1: on News TALKSB.

660
00:41:32,495 --> 00:41:34,815
Speaker 6: You and News Talk CB and open Line on all

661
00:41:34,815 --> 00:41:37,535
Speaker 6: things building in construction. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

662
00:41:37,695 --> 00:41:41,095
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call. It is seven, six

663
00:41:41,135 --> 00:41:45,415
Speaker 6: minutes after seven. Yes, we're into daylight saving, so let's

664
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Speaker 6: crack into it. For many, many years in the studio,

665
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Speaker 6: actually there was in this particular studio there was an

666
00:41:51,895 --> 00:41:56,855
Speaker 6: analog clock, good old fashioned clock, and obviously, being the

667
00:41:56,855 --> 00:41:59,615
Speaker 6: first person to arrive here after daylight saving, I took

668
00:41:59,655 --> 00:42:03,895
Speaker 6: it upon myself to risk life and limb by standing

669
00:42:03,895 --> 00:42:07,335
Speaker 6: on a swiftly desk chair, reaching out, taking the clock down,

670
00:42:07,575 --> 00:42:11,095
Speaker 6: adjusting the time, putting it back up again. We now

671
00:42:11,135 --> 00:42:15,175
Speaker 6: have a digital clock or digital display for an analog clock,

672
00:42:16,575 --> 00:42:19,335
Speaker 6: so I don't have to do that anymore. Should I

673
00:42:19,415 --> 00:42:21,615
Speaker 6: kind of miss to be fair? Oh eight one hundred

674
00:42:21,615 --> 00:42:25,655
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, and Craig,

675
00:42:25,855 --> 00:42:29,055
Speaker 6: very good morning to you.

676
00:42:29,055 --> 00:42:32,335
Speaker 11: I remember stories, my stories from gym and overnight saying

677
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:34,055
Speaker 11: that Peter is going to get up.

678
00:42:33,975 --> 00:42:35,975
Speaker 3: On a chair and fall off.

679
00:42:36,015 --> 00:42:37,135
Speaker 6: It was always my job.

680
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Speaker 11: I don't know why, anyway, I was picturing your building

681
00:42:40,775 --> 00:42:43,415
Speaker 11: up a little mobile scaffolding right there and sort of

682
00:42:43,455 --> 00:42:45,335
Speaker 11: get into all corned off and then climb up there.

683
00:42:45,375 --> 00:42:48,775
Speaker 6: And you know, I mean, if you're going to climb

684
00:42:48,775 --> 00:42:50,775
Speaker 6: any sort of chair, you don't want to climb a

685
00:42:50,895 --> 00:42:55,495
Speaker 6: swiftly office chair. But I balanced like a ballerina and

686
00:42:55,815 --> 00:42:59,055
Speaker 6: I was absolutely fine, Thank you very much. Right over,

687
00:42:59,215 --> 00:43:02,415
Speaker 6: I'll talk about smych alarms.

688
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Speaker 11: And yeah, I've worked and run my own company for

689
00:43:04,335 --> 00:43:06,895
Speaker 11: many years doing alarms and stuff in that and all.

690
00:43:06,815 --> 00:43:10,095
Speaker 7: The jobs we do. We always I always include.

691
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Speaker 11: Smoke detickers into the quote for a security lane because

692
00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:15,455
Speaker 11: it's just extra protection plus is also actually backed up

693
00:43:15,495 --> 00:43:17,455
Speaker 11: and stuff like that. But what I was going to

694
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Speaker 11: say was we also have done the past. There's a

695
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Speaker 11: couple of other companies I think from Memories, PDL or

696
00:43:22,575 --> 00:43:25,375
Speaker 11: they do a smoke detcktor that runs off two forty,

697
00:43:25,415 --> 00:43:27,335
Speaker 11: but you link them all together and serious with a

698
00:43:27,335 --> 00:43:28,415
Speaker 11: bit of cheap is from one to.

699
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Speaker 7: The other and you all go wolf.

700
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Speaker 11: But then the other one I've just started using recently

701
00:43:31,855 --> 00:43:34,055
Speaker 11: is a brand called Orca, which are all bluetooth smoke

702
00:43:34,095 --> 00:43:37,975
Speaker 11: stickers right Master one Master the one you set up

703
00:43:38,015 --> 00:43:40,855
Speaker 11: set up as masters, and you basically just linker all

704
00:43:40,895 --> 00:43:42,855
Speaker 11: the other ones together, so they're really easy to set up,

705
00:43:42,855 --> 00:43:45,135
Speaker 11: and then they're really good for places they don't have

706
00:43:45,175 --> 00:43:47,615
Speaker 11: any wiring because you don't really want to bull part

707
00:43:47,655 --> 00:43:50,335
Speaker 11: people's ceilings and all that. But they're really really good

708
00:43:50,335 --> 00:43:52,415
Speaker 11: because they can put them from obviously the basement. But

709
00:43:52,535 --> 00:43:55,375
Speaker 11: we use them a couple of times recently for garages

710
00:43:56,175 --> 00:43:59,095
Speaker 11: the houses. They have an attached garage because you know

711
00:43:59,215 --> 00:44:02,015
Speaker 11: you might have something smoldering away and they're like a

712
00:44:02,095 --> 00:44:03,535
Speaker 11: draw or well something in.

713
00:44:03,535 --> 00:44:05,855
Speaker 6: The tree on the charge or something like that.

714
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Speaker 11: Are whether as or a tauser or something like that,

715
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Speaker 11: and you're not going to know until it burns through

716
00:44:10,935 --> 00:44:16,095
Speaker 11: the internal war So yeah, we've been in quite a fether,

717
00:44:16,175 --> 00:44:18,215
Speaker 11: but yeah, I think it's an ORCA brand. Yeah, Orca,

718
00:44:18,255 --> 00:44:20,055
Speaker 11: and we get it from one of our supplies. But okay,

719
00:44:20,135 --> 00:44:21,895
Speaker 11: from pretty soon you get them from a lot of

720
00:44:21,895 --> 00:44:24,535
Speaker 11: the local electrical hole stalers are trying to sell them

721
00:44:24,575 --> 00:44:25,895
Speaker 11: as well, because.

722
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Speaker 6: Like, so, what's happened is Imby have announced new versions

723
00:44:31,095 --> 00:44:36,335
Speaker 6: of the acceptable solutions around fire right. So it's basically

724
00:44:36,375 --> 00:44:40,535
Speaker 6: that a type one smoke alarm is now defined as

725
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Speaker 6: a smoke alarm or multiple interconnected smoke alarm devices, each

726
00:44:45,215 --> 00:44:48,415
Speaker 6: containing a smoke detector and an alarm feature, and it

727
00:44:48,535 --> 00:44:51,775
Speaker 6: must be interconnected, which you can achieve, like you say,

728
00:44:51,895 --> 00:44:55,175
Speaker 6: through bluetooth in some situations. So even in a new build,

729
00:44:55,415 --> 00:44:58,655
Speaker 6: you don't necessarily have to hardwire them in. But I

730
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Speaker 6: can see the advantage perhaps in a new build where

731
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Speaker 6: you have the opportunity of running that cabling to do

732
00:45:04,255 --> 00:45:06,815
Speaker 6: exactly that. And I guess in a new build, if

733
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Speaker 6: you're doing it, you could also have one that's on

734
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Speaker 6: you know, two forty vaults, so you're not like at

735
00:45:12,655 --> 00:45:15,775
Speaker 6: the moment, the encouragement is it's daylight saving. Now it's

736
00:45:15,815 --> 00:45:18,895
Speaker 6: time to check your smoke detectors, right, and if you're

737
00:45:18,895 --> 00:45:21,455
Speaker 6: still running the sort of slightly older fashioned ones which

738
00:45:21,455 --> 00:45:24,655
Speaker 6: are absolutely fine with a battery that might last a

739
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Speaker 6: year or two years, and yeah, now is a really

740
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Speaker 6: good time. I mean, most of the ones that I've

741
00:45:28,855 --> 00:45:32,415
Speaker 6: installed recently have a lithium battery in them that will

742
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Speaker 6: last at least ten years for example.

743
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, all the ones we installed only are we just

745
00:45:40,335 --> 00:45:42,295
Speaker 11: put them on a arm panels. They just make making

746
00:45:42,375 --> 00:45:45,495
Speaker 11: managery every arms. And we do use smoke detectors, it's

747
00:45:45,575 --> 00:45:48,215
Speaker 11: just for the main reason it gives you protection. Pass Also,

748
00:45:48,215 --> 00:45:50,375
Speaker 11: if you're away from home at lest you're going to

749
00:45:50,375 --> 00:45:52,695
Speaker 11: get a notification on your phone and something smoldering before

750
00:45:52,695 --> 00:45:55,655
Speaker 11: your house burns down. Yeah, which all is another advantage.

751
00:45:55,695 --> 00:45:59,775
Speaker 11: But then we also when we're doing kitchens and stuff

752
00:45:59,775 --> 00:46:02,215
Speaker 11: like that, we install not a smoke deck, but we install.

753
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Speaker 7: A heat pad.

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Speaker 11: Yes, so they trigger from say that you can safely

755
00:46:05,695 --> 00:46:06,975
Speaker 11: have those in the y and they're not going to

756
00:46:06,975 --> 00:46:09,295
Speaker 11: go by smoke, but if something gets fairly warm it

757
00:46:09,295 --> 00:46:12,615
Speaker 11: triggers them. Yeah, we use seatpeds and kitchens and also

758
00:46:12,815 --> 00:46:14,855
Speaker 11: in garages when they've got cars and stuff, so if

759
00:46:14,855 --> 00:46:18,095
Speaker 11: there's something smoldering, it's not going to be detected all

760
00:46:18,095 --> 00:46:19,855
Speaker 11: the time by smoke topeper and go to the point

761
00:46:19,855 --> 00:46:24,295
Speaker 11: where people disconnect them. Yes, that's yeah, but you've got

762
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Speaker 11: to be careful, especially with multiple places. I mean, if,

763
00:46:26,735 --> 00:46:28,135
Speaker 11: as you say, if you're on the top story and

764
00:46:28,215 --> 00:46:30,175
Speaker 11: something burning in your basement, you're not really going to know,

765
00:46:30,575 --> 00:46:31,135
Speaker 11: You're not going.

766
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Speaker 6: To know a lot of it going to be Hence,

767
00:46:33,695 --> 00:46:36,615
Speaker 6: I think a change like this is actually really sensible,

768
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Speaker 6: really practical, and particularly is you know, the type of

769
00:46:41,935 --> 00:46:44,615
Speaker 6: houses that we live in and are going to be

770
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Speaker 6: living in more likely in the future, are often multi

771
00:46:47,575 --> 00:46:50,455
Speaker 6: story and three stories is not going to become uncommon.

772
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Speaker 6: So you know, if your egress is out through the

773
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Speaker 6: ground floor and a fire starts on the ground floor

774
00:46:57,255 --> 00:46:59,815
Speaker 6: and you don't know about it until much later because

775
00:46:59,855 --> 00:47:02,935
Speaker 6: you haven't heard the smoke alarm, then I think having

776
00:47:02,935 --> 00:47:06,055
Speaker 6: an interconnected one in those in all houses, but in

777
00:47:06,055 --> 00:47:09,175
Speaker 6: those sorts of houses in particular, makes a lot of sense.

778
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Speaker 11: We've even done ones with vibrating units to go inside pillows.

779
00:47:14,935 --> 00:47:17,535
Speaker 11: Who has had a couple of times death, Okay, we'll

780
00:47:17,575 --> 00:47:20,055
Speaker 11: put vibrators in the pillows cook up, the alarmsist and

781
00:47:20,055 --> 00:47:21,935
Speaker 11: as soon the fire goes off, it vibrates the pillow

782
00:47:21,935 --> 00:47:25,295
Speaker 11: to wake them up. Wow, well, you just got to

783
00:47:25,295 --> 00:47:26,175
Speaker 11: be I mean, you've got to be.

784
00:47:26,615 --> 00:47:26,775
Speaker 12: Well.

785
00:47:26,815 --> 00:47:27,535
Speaker 3: No, it makes sense.

786
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Speaker 6: I mean it feels someone who has hearing loss for

787
00:47:30,455 --> 00:47:37,095
Speaker 6: whatever reason, through age or whatever. Then yeah, again, I

788
00:47:37,175 --> 00:47:40,335
Speaker 6: just briefly, I had a situation. This is at home right.

789
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Speaker 6: This was a number of years ago, when our sun

790
00:47:42,255 --> 00:47:46,455
Speaker 6: was quite small and he was having an afternoon nap.

791
00:47:46,575 --> 00:47:48,775
Speaker 6: I was pottering around the house doing a few things.

792
00:47:49,255 --> 00:47:51,775
Speaker 6: I was cleaning up in the kitchen. I had a big,

793
00:47:51,775 --> 00:47:54,655
Speaker 6: old cast iron pot that I'd washed out. I popped

794
00:47:54,695 --> 00:47:58,375
Speaker 6: it on the oven on the stove gas stove to

795
00:47:59,575 --> 00:48:01,255
Speaker 6: just heat it up. I put some oil, and I

796
00:48:01,295 --> 00:48:04,815
Speaker 6: was just cleaning right, doing chores around the house. And

797
00:48:04,855 --> 00:48:07,855
Speaker 6: then I got distracted and I wandered off right and

798
00:48:08,055 --> 00:48:11,015
Speaker 6: I don't know, a minute or so later, it had

799
00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:15,535
Speaker 6: started to smoke, which set off the smoke detector. Thankfully,

800
00:48:16,575 --> 00:48:19,295
Speaker 6: I went figured that out, went and turned off the alarms,

801
00:48:19,655 --> 00:48:21,975
Speaker 6: and I checked on our little guy and he was

802
00:48:21,975 --> 00:48:25,935
Speaker 6: still fast asleep. Now that might say something about kids

803
00:48:25,975 --> 00:48:29,375
Speaker 6: having asleep and they're you know, deaf to everything, but

804
00:48:29,495 --> 00:48:31,455
Speaker 6: it was It was also kind of a moment where

805
00:48:31,455 --> 00:48:35,935
Speaker 6: I went, wow, okay, so yeah, the smoke alarms going off,

806
00:48:35,975 --> 00:48:39,575
Speaker 6: but it didn't rouse him. And I you know, I

807
00:48:39,615 --> 00:48:42,055
Speaker 6: mean I sleep fairly soundly too. I wonder whether I'd

808
00:48:42,095 --> 00:48:43,855
Speaker 6: be roused by a smoke alarm in the middle of

809
00:48:43,855 --> 00:48:47,495
Speaker 6: the night. But anyway, certainly a moment that makes you

810
00:48:47,615 --> 00:48:48,895
Speaker 6: think for just a second.

811
00:48:49,775 --> 00:48:51,575
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's one of the things we always ask people

812
00:48:51,895 --> 00:48:54,535
Speaker 11: when I'm doing them for my own company, when doing

813
00:48:54,495 --> 00:48:57,015
Speaker 11: instlation of justin, is there any death people in the house?

814
00:48:57,055 --> 00:48:59,215
Speaker 11: And not no, offend them. They go, oh, my son

815
00:48:59,375 --> 00:49:02,215
Speaker 11: was deaf or whatever. Okay, so it doesn't cost a lot.

816
00:49:02,295 --> 00:49:04,615
Speaker 11: We just include a vibrating thing under the mattress with

817
00:49:04,655 --> 00:49:07,055
Speaker 11: their room. So just give them bit of warning because

818
00:49:07,655 --> 00:49:09,615
Speaker 11: it doesn't cost much and if it saves a life,

819
00:49:09,655 --> 00:49:10,135
Speaker 11: it's worth it.

820
00:49:10,415 --> 00:49:14,255
Speaker 6: So and I think you're right too. I mean, yeah,

821
00:49:14,255 --> 00:49:16,175
Speaker 6: I mean, I know lots of people that need hearing

822
00:49:16,215 --> 00:49:18,735
Speaker 6: aids in order to be part of conversations and so on,

823
00:49:18,775 --> 00:49:20,855
Speaker 6: and typically when you go to bed at night you

824
00:49:20,895 --> 00:49:24,615
Speaker 6: take those out right, So does that put you in

825
00:49:24,655 --> 00:49:27,935
Speaker 6: a position where if a smoke detector went off that

826
00:49:28,055 --> 00:49:31,015
Speaker 6: you might not hear it because your hearing aids are

827
00:49:31,095 --> 00:49:33,535
Speaker 6: charging overnight. So it's a really good point. I didn't

828
00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:35,095
Speaker 6: know that that was available. That's interesting.

829
00:49:36,455 --> 00:49:38,375
Speaker 11: Yeah, you can get them through. We got out through

830
00:49:38,375 --> 00:49:40,935
Speaker 11: the Deaf Association. They bring them in for people as well.

831
00:49:40,975 --> 00:49:41,935
Speaker 6: But it's brilliant.

832
00:49:41,935 --> 00:49:43,375
Speaker 11: It didn't cost a lot of money. But it's just

833
00:49:43,455 --> 00:49:46,695
Speaker 11: reassurance for like just being for our customers. We just

834
00:49:46,695 --> 00:49:49,695
Speaker 11: make sure that we've done our best to protect the people.

835
00:49:49,775 --> 00:49:49,975
Speaker 7: Yeah.

836
00:49:50,095 --> 00:49:52,815
Speaker 6: Yeah, but let's remember and I think fans are fire

837
00:49:52,855 --> 00:49:54,855
Speaker 6: an emergency in New Zealand are hot on this is

838
00:49:54,895 --> 00:49:59,295
Speaker 6: that pardon the pun, that's a terrible pun, but almost

839
00:49:59,655 --> 00:50:03,335
Speaker 6: I think in recent times there's not been a death

840
00:50:03,815 --> 00:50:08,655
Speaker 6: in a house with operable fire. So that's the most

841
00:50:08,735 --> 00:50:11,855
Speaker 6: basic thing. Make sure you've got them and make sure

842
00:50:11,895 --> 00:50:14,855
Speaker 6: they work. It's as simple as that. Craig, thank you

843
00:50:14,935 --> 00:50:19,095
Speaker 6: very much, great insight. Really appreciate it. Have a good day,

844
00:50:19,215 --> 00:50:21,815
Speaker 6: Take care. So one of the things we're talking about

845
00:50:21,855 --> 00:50:24,615
Speaker 6: is changes and they're not super recent changes now, it's

846
00:50:24,615 --> 00:50:28,495
Speaker 6: been around a little while that smoke detectors in new builds,

847
00:50:28,495 --> 00:50:30,775
Speaker 6: so to comply with the building code today need to

848
00:50:30,855 --> 00:50:35,055
Speaker 6: be interconnected. So the regulations have always been you need

849
00:50:35,095 --> 00:50:37,495
Speaker 6: to have one. I think it's within three meters or

850
00:50:37,855 --> 00:50:45,095
Speaker 6: three meters of bedroom and inhabitable space. And increasingly I've

851
00:50:45,135 --> 00:50:47,455
Speaker 6: noticed that more and more people are putting them basically

852
00:50:47,495 --> 00:50:52,495
Speaker 6: in each bedroom in a hallway near egress points, those

853
00:50:52,535 --> 00:50:56,655
Speaker 6: sorts of things. But now they need to be interconnected.

854
00:50:56,775 --> 00:50:58,615
Speaker 6: When one goes off, they all go off. And I

855
00:50:58,655 --> 00:51:01,615
Speaker 6: think it's actually a really sensible thing. You may care

856
00:51:01,615 --> 00:51:04,415
Speaker 6: to comment. We're talking leaky buildings, we're talking fire safety.

857
00:51:04,495 --> 00:51:07,935
Speaker 6: On the program, I mentioned the story that was running

858
00:51:08,015 --> 00:51:12,055
Speaker 6: during our six am bulletin wastements, which is kind of

859
00:51:12,055 --> 00:51:14,775
Speaker 6: an organization set up to, as you can imagine, minimize

860
00:51:14,775 --> 00:51:17,295
Speaker 6: the amount of waste. Are encouraging people to have a

861
00:51:17,295 --> 00:51:20,175
Speaker 6: look around and see how many batteries are in their

862
00:51:20,175 --> 00:51:22,495
Speaker 6: house in terms of ones that you don't use, and

863
00:51:22,535 --> 00:51:25,335
Speaker 6: what do you do with them if you if they've

864
00:51:25,375 --> 00:51:28,535
Speaker 6: reached the end of their life, as they inevitably do

865
00:51:29,095 --> 00:51:32,855
Speaker 6: unless they're rechargeables, but even those die eventually, what do

866
00:51:32,895 --> 00:51:35,495
Speaker 6: you do do you? Are you conscious of how you

867
00:51:35,575 --> 00:51:37,575
Speaker 6: dispose of them? Take your calls on that as well.

868
00:51:37,615 --> 00:51:40,215
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty talking leaky buildings for

869
00:51:40,255 --> 00:51:43,455
Speaker 6: talking fire alarms, talking rules and regulations. What's on your

870
00:51:43,455 --> 00:51:46,735
Speaker 6: mind this morning? At sixteen minutes after seven, the lines

871
00:51:46,735 --> 00:51:49,975
Speaker 6: are open. The number to call eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

872
00:51:50,335 --> 00:51:53,655
Speaker 1: Were helping you get those DIY projects done right.

873
00:51:53,815 --> 00:51:57,175
Speaker 3: The resident builder with Peta wolfgans call. Oh, eight hundred

874
00:51:57,215 --> 00:51:58,775
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. You've talked ZB.

875
00:52:00,255 --> 00:52:02,655
Speaker 6: Now, with the weather warming up and the season starting

876
00:52:02,695 --> 00:52:04,895
Speaker 6: to change, it won't be long before you'll be out

877
00:52:04,935 --> 00:52:08,415
Speaker 6: getting stuck into the garden enjoying the fresh air. Spring

878
00:52:08,535 --> 00:52:11,415
Speaker 6: is the perfect time to get your garden growing, and

879
00:52:11,495 --> 00:52:15,815
Speaker 6: that's the secret to bigger, stronger, and more productive plants.

880
00:52:15,855 --> 00:52:19,575
Speaker 6: The answer is root blast. If you haven't heard, root

881
00:52:19,655 --> 00:52:23,255
Speaker 6: blasts gives your plants that little extra boost of nutrients

882
00:52:23,495 --> 00:52:27,055
Speaker 6: they need to grow abundantly. Simply add root blast to

883
00:52:27,135 --> 00:52:31,535
Speaker 6: your soil and watch your plants grow. Whether it's flowers, veggies, trees,

884
00:52:31,935 --> 00:52:35,335
Speaker 6: or the humble house plant. A little sprinkle of root

885
00:52:35,335 --> 00:52:38,975
Speaker 6: blast helps build stronger plants from the roots up and

886
00:52:39,095 --> 00:52:43,255
Speaker 6: plays a part in creating healthier leaf structures. In turn,

887
00:52:43,535 --> 00:52:46,975
Speaker 6: you'll have plants every green thumb will be jealous of.

888
00:52:47,415 --> 00:52:51,855
Speaker 6: It's environmentally safe, hormone free, and disease resistant, so no

889
00:52:52,015 --> 00:52:54,855
Speaker 6: need to worry about any of those nasty things. Plus

890
00:52:54,895 --> 00:52:58,095
Speaker 6: it's easy to use one application, no need to mix

891
00:52:58,135 --> 00:53:01,415
Speaker 6: with water. Get the most out of your garden this spring.

892
00:53:01,695 --> 00:53:04,855
Speaker 6: To get your hands on root blast, call eight hundred

893
00:53:05,055 --> 00:53:08,415
Speaker 6: root Blast or search root Blast dot co dot NZ

894
00:53:08,895 --> 00:53:14,095
Speaker 6: or see your nearest garden center ZEV your news talk

895
00:53:14,135 --> 00:53:16,815
Speaker 6: CB a text sorry that I missed a little while ago.

896
00:53:17,695 --> 00:53:20,815
Speaker 6: Where my roof and celling meets the gutters, it's really

897
00:53:20,935 --> 00:53:24,055
Speaker 6: low in theft. How do I get a fan an

898
00:53:24,175 --> 00:53:29,935
Speaker 6: extraction tube put into my bathroom? At the very least,

899
00:53:30,015 --> 00:53:34,295
Speaker 6: Typically there's about one hundred millimeter gap between the top

900
00:53:34,335 --> 00:53:37,735
Speaker 6: of the top plate and the underside of the perlin.

901
00:53:37,895 --> 00:53:42,975
Speaker 6: So if you've got reasonably conventional conventional building, you'll have

902
00:53:43,535 --> 00:53:46,135
Speaker 6: the top plate, maybe a plate packer. Then you'll have

903
00:53:46,295 --> 00:53:49,175
Speaker 6: a truss that sits on top of it. Bottom cord

904
00:53:49,175 --> 00:53:51,615
Speaker 6: of the trust typically is made out of ninety by

905
00:53:51,735 --> 00:53:54,535
Speaker 6: forty five material, and then even where it comes down

906
00:53:54,575 --> 00:53:56,895
Speaker 6: to that sort of pinch point above the top plate,

907
00:53:57,215 --> 00:54:00,015
Speaker 6: there will still be one hundred mil gap. Now, what

908
00:54:00,215 --> 00:54:03,015
Speaker 6: doesn't work particularly well is taking you one hundred and

909
00:54:03,015 --> 00:54:07,015
Speaker 6: fifty mil ducting round ducting along and then squishing it

910
00:54:07,375 --> 00:54:10,975
Speaker 6: to get through that gap. So what I did myself

911
00:54:11,055 --> 00:54:15,335
Speaker 6: just recently is I got some ducting, which is two

912
00:54:15,535 --> 00:54:20,095
Speaker 6: twenty by sixty five. I think off memory rectangular ducting,

913
00:54:20,415 --> 00:54:23,695
Speaker 6: which you can buy an adapter from that profile to

914
00:54:23,895 --> 00:54:27,255
Speaker 6: round and so I ran my one fifty milimeter a

915
00:54:27,295 --> 00:54:30,295
Speaker 6: ducting along through the ceiling space and where I hit

916
00:54:30,375 --> 00:54:35,535
Speaker 6: the top plate, I then transferred across to this rectangular

917
00:54:35,575 --> 00:54:40,455
Speaker 6: section and I had an adapter from round to rectangular.

918
00:54:40,855 --> 00:54:43,495
Speaker 6: Then I had a section of that rectangular that went

919
00:54:43,655 --> 00:54:47,415
Speaker 6: over the top plate through that space there, and then

920
00:54:47,455 --> 00:54:50,495
Speaker 6: I ended up coming out through the sefit in that

921
00:54:50,655 --> 00:54:55,175
Speaker 6: rectangular profile. What I did to be blunt. What I

922
00:54:55,175 --> 00:54:57,375
Speaker 6: did find a little bit challenging was finding a grill

923
00:54:57,455 --> 00:55:00,775
Speaker 6: that happened to meet that profile. But because I'd taken

924
00:55:00,815 --> 00:55:04,135
Speaker 6: out my old extractor fan, I used that cut a

925
00:55:04,175 --> 00:55:07,575
Speaker 6: rectangular grill, made a little trim around it. You know,

926
00:55:07,735 --> 00:55:12,095
Speaker 6: it all worked. So yeah, Ideally you don't want to

927
00:55:12,095 --> 00:55:15,255
Speaker 6: be crushing adducting if you don't have much space to

928
00:55:15,295 --> 00:55:18,855
Speaker 6: get out. You need to have the correct volume all

929
00:55:18,855 --> 00:55:21,535
Speaker 6: the way along or use an adapter and swapped a

930
00:55:21,575 --> 00:55:25,495
Speaker 6: different profile. But there are Solutions without a doubt got

931
00:55:25,495 --> 00:55:28,695
Speaker 6: some information about the smoke alarms and the new legal requirements.

932
00:55:28,735 --> 00:55:32,015
Speaker 6: Has had quick look at the brand's sort of guidance

933
00:55:32,135 --> 00:55:34,135
Speaker 6: on this, so I'll bring that to you in just

934
00:55:34,135 --> 00:55:36,775
Speaker 6: a moment. There's a few other interesting details around the

935
00:55:36,855 --> 00:55:39,535
Speaker 6: new requirements for smoke alarms. When I say new came

936
00:55:39,575 --> 00:55:42,975
Speaker 6: into effect November twenty twenty four, so you know we're

937
00:55:43,015 --> 00:55:48,095
Speaker 6: almost twelve months into this. Katrina, good morning, Good morning.

938
00:55:48,135 --> 00:55:49,535
Speaker 6: How are you thing. I'm very well.

939
00:55:49,695 --> 00:55:51,455
Speaker 7: How are you good?

940
00:55:51,495 --> 00:55:54,095
Speaker 13: Thank you? How think you can help me with a

941
00:55:54,175 --> 00:55:58,375
Speaker 13: situation I have Yep, we have long run calor Siel

942
00:55:58,415 --> 00:56:01,975
Speaker 13: planning on the side of our house. It's vertical, yep.

943
00:56:02,215 --> 00:56:07,735
Speaker 13: And it's a clebizoidal profile with about a city moll peak. Yeah,

944
00:56:08,655 --> 00:56:13,535
Speaker 13: and it's installed installed in the cavity. And during our

945
00:56:13,575 --> 00:56:17,095
Speaker 13: final infection the other day, thet said to me, we

946
00:56:17,215 --> 00:56:24,415
Speaker 13: need to do a lemon proof proofing above the window heads, right.

947
00:56:24,815 --> 00:56:29,495
Speaker 13: So I have been looking all over for a detail

948
00:56:29,535 --> 00:56:31,415
Speaker 13: of that because it's not something it was in the

949
00:56:31,455 --> 00:56:38,575
Speaker 13: original specification. I cannot find such a detail. I contacted

950
00:56:38,935 --> 00:56:44,295
Speaker 13: a technical advisor at one of the bigger cladding suppliers.

951
00:56:44,135 --> 00:56:49,615
Speaker 13: It said to me, you can stick a foam closer

952
00:56:49,655 --> 00:56:54,575
Speaker 13: to the front of the cavity, closer above the peak.

953
00:56:56,295 --> 00:56:59,935
Speaker 13: The only thing is this has not all been installed already.

954
00:57:00,575 --> 00:57:03,135
Speaker 13: Getting to that closer that means I have to take

955
00:57:03,175 --> 00:57:06,895
Speaker 13: off all the clouding, which is going to of course

956
00:57:06,935 --> 00:57:09,415
Speaker 13: cost me a bit of money if we knew about it,

957
00:57:09,575 --> 00:57:14,335
Speaker 13: which we would have done it. So firstly, is it

958
00:57:14,495 --> 00:57:17,215
Speaker 13: really a thing since I couldn't find any detail of

959
00:57:17,255 --> 00:57:21,775
Speaker 13: it anywhere, And secondly, if it is, is there a

960
00:57:21,815 --> 00:57:26,135
Speaker 13: way of doing it without removing the clouding?

961
00:57:26,495 --> 00:57:31,215
Speaker 6: Yes? So yes, and yes it is something that I'm

962
00:57:31,215 --> 00:57:34,615
Speaker 6: familiar with because I was part of a build last

963
00:57:34,695 --> 00:57:39,215
Speaker 6: year year before where we were using In fact, it

964
00:57:39,255 --> 00:57:41,175
Speaker 6: was a similar profile I think. So it's sort of

965
00:57:41,255 --> 00:57:46,015
Speaker 6: trapezoidal type profile of long run iron as exterior cladding.

966
00:57:46,735 --> 00:57:48,615
Speaker 6: I have to say I quite like it as an

967
00:57:48,615 --> 00:57:52,935
Speaker 6: exterior clouding, so good on you for doing that. And

968
00:57:53,175 --> 00:57:56,535
Speaker 6: then it did get packed up at final inspection. Same thing.

969
00:57:56,935 --> 00:58:00,575
Speaker 6: So inspectors said, hang on, there's no vermin strip there,

970
00:58:00,575 --> 00:58:03,975
Speaker 6: and I'm thinking, hang on, this is above a window

971
00:58:04,055 --> 00:58:08,335
Speaker 6: on the second floor. If we're talking about vermin, you're

972
00:58:08,375 --> 00:58:11,815
Speaker 6: saying to me that a mouse wants to climb up

973
00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:15,335
Speaker 6: the exterior of the cladding, walk its way along the

974
00:58:15,375 --> 00:58:18,775
Speaker 6: head flashing and then go into the building envelope or

975
00:58:18,815 --> 00:58:24,615
Speaker 6: into the cavity from there. I mean, like I do

976
00:58:24,775 --> 00:58:28,375
Speaker 6: get doing it on the bottom because obviously there's potential

977
00:58:28,415 --> 00:58:30,655
Speaker 6: there because it's quite a big gap, right, And I

978
00:58:30,655 --> 00:58:34,775
Speaker 6: mean mice don't need much of a gap, so thirty

979
00:58:34,855 --> 00:58:37,615
Speaker 6: or forty milimeter gap, there's plenty of room for them

980
00:58:37,655 --> 00:58:42,335
Speaker 6: to get in, right. But you know, from a practical

981
00:58:42,415 --> 00:58:44,855
Speaker 6: point of view, I'm looking at a even a window

982
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:47,775
Speaker 6: at two meters off the ground, right, you know, are

983
00:58:47,815 --> 00:58:50,535
Speaker 6: you really expecting that mice is going to crawl up

984
00:58:50,575 --> 00:58:52,815
Speaker 6: the outside of the cladding and in through that? But

985
00:58:52,895 --> 00:58:56,455
Speaker 6: either way, you don't typically win those arguments with council.

986
00:58:57,655 --> 00:59:01,215
Speaker 6: So yes, there is typically all of the roofing manufacturers

987
00:59:01,255 --> 00:59:07,495
Speaker 6: will have available a foam. Basically it stops wind pushing

988
00:59:07,615 --> 00:59:11,935
Speaker 6: rain up underneath the flashing, right, so you can put

989
00:59:11,935 --> 00:59:15,135
Speaker 6: those in. You don't need to remove all of the

990
00:59:15,175 --> 00:59:18,775
Speaker 6: cladding in order to install that. What we found was

991
00:59:18,815 --> 00:59:20,815
Speaker 6: that we could get the roofers back with the guys

992
00:59:20,815 --> 00:59:23,935
Speaker 6: who were doing the cladding installation simply back off the

993
00:59:24,015 --> 00:59:26,655
Speaker 6: screw so that because in the end, you only need

994
00:59:26,695 --> 00:59:29,335
Speaker 6: like a three or four milimeter gap to get that

995
00:59:29,455 --> 00:59:33,735
Speaker 6: material up, and just once you've backed the screws off,

996
00:59:33,775 --> 00:59:36,495
Speaker 6: you can pull the sheet forward, slide the foam up

997
00:59:37,095 --> 00:59:40,375
Speaker 6: until it's sitting on front of the baten that the

998
00:59:40,535 --> 00:59:42,975
Speaker 6: roofing is fixed to or the cladding material is fixed to,

999
00:59:43,335 --> 00:59:47,655
Speaker 6: and then you simply fasten the screws again. So I

1000
00:59:47,735 --> 00:59:50,455
Speaker 6: don't believe that you will need to remove all of

1001
00:59:50,495 --> 00:59:52,575
Speaker 6: the cladding, but you'll need to get back to it,

1002
00:59:52,615 --> 00:59:55,575
Speaker 6: and chances are the scaffolding's gone and all the rest

1003
00:59:55,615 --> 00:59:58,455
Speaker 6: of it, so it is, yeah, a bit of a pain.

1004
00:59:59,175 --> 01:00:01,415
Speaker 6: The other thing is, I guess you'd want to have

1005
01:00:01,455 --> 01:00:05,135
Speaker 6: a fairly decent discussion with the people that installed the

1006
01:00:05,175 --> 01:00:08,055
Speaker 6: cladding to go, so did you know about this and

1007
01:00:08,655 --> 01:00:11,735
Speaker 6: should you have done it at the time, because it's

1008
01:00:11,775 --> 01:00:15,295
Speaker 6: obviously something that's been picked up on final inspections quite

1009
01:00:15,335 --> 01:00:17,975
Speaker 6: a bit over the last year or two years, in

1010
01:00:18,015 --> 01:00:21,975
Speaker 6: which case if the people doing the cladding are doing

1011
01:00:22,175 --> 01:00:25,935
Speaker 6: lots of it, then they would have been alerted to

1012
01:00:26,015 --> 01:00:28,055
Speaker 6: this in the past and perhaps should have told.

1013
01:00:27,855 --> 01:00:36,135
Speaker 14: You, yeah, well, professional, look at this, and three of

1014
01:00:36,255 --> 01:00:40,175
Speaker 14: the four didn't pick up anything, and any the force.

1015
01:00:40,295 --> 01:00:42,935
Speaker 14: Now that that's right, Thank you very much for your.

1016
01:00:43,535 --> 01:00:46,495
Speaker 6: Look, you know, if that's the last thing that's on

1017
01:00:46,535 --> 01:00:49,455
Speaker 6: your list to get final inspection signed off and then

1018
01:00:49,495 --> 01:00:52,575
Speaker 6: get underway with code compliance, I think you best just

1019
01:00:52,775 --> 01:00:55,735
Speaker 6: crack into it, get it done and get that final

1020
01:00:55,775 --> 01:01:00,135
Speaker 6: inspection signed off. Good luck. All right to chat with

1021
01:01:00,175 --> 01:01:00,935
Speaker 6: you bother them.

1022
01:01:01,095 --> 01:01:01,455
Speaker 13: Thank you.

1023
01:01:02,935 --> 01:01:05,375
Speaker 6: I mean you can try and argue with counsel about well,

1024
01:01:05,375 --> 01:01:08,775
Speaker 6: if it's not on the bill in consent and you

1025
01:01:08,895 --> 01:01:11,935
Speaker 6: consented it, then why are you making me do it now?

1026
01:01:12,015 --> 01:01:15,735
Speaker 6: But typically those arguments don't end particularly well in my experience.

1027
01:01:15,855 --> 01:01:19,055
Speaker 6: They tend. Inspectors tend to just say, look, you know

1028
01:01:19,095 --> 01:01:20,455
Speaker 6: you have to do it, and if we missed it

1029
01:01:20,495 --> 01:01:22,895
Speaker 6: at the consenting stage, well now I've picked it up.

1030
01:01:23,175 --> 01:01:25,895
Speaker 6: You should be grateful for that. Basically, oh eight hundred

1031
01:01:25,895 --> 01:01:30,975
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Yeah,

1032
01:01:31,455 --> 01:01:32,375
Speaker 6: this is an interesting one.

1033
01:01:32,415 --> 01:01:32,615
Speaker 15: Peak.

1034
01:01:33,415 --> 01:01:36,815
Speaker 6: You also have the stupid compliance requirement. Their words, not mine,

1035
01:01:37,655 --> 01:01:40,135
Speaker 6: that upstairs windows have to have stays. How do you

1036
01:01:40,175 --> 01:01:43,055
Speaker 6: get out of the if there is a fire at

1037
01:01:43,055 --> 01:01:46,695
Speaker 6: the stairs From David and yeah, you point out an

1038
01:01:46,695 --> 01:01:55,375
Speaker 6: obvious dilemma. Let's say that increasingly windows well Actually, this

1039
01:01:55,455 --> 01:01:58,495
Speaker 6: is an interesting one because not all windows require a stay.

1040
01:01:58,655 --> 01:02:01,775
Speaker 6: It's only it requires a stay if the sill is

1041
01:02:02,255 --> 01:02:05,855
Speaker 6: less than seven hundred and sixty millimeters from the ground,

1042
01:02:06,535 --> 01:02:11,375
Speaker 6: which provides a danger for falling out. Some inspectors will say, well, look,

1043
01:02:11,415 --> 01:02:13,495
Speaker 6: someone could put a chair in front of the window

1044
01:02:13,895 --> 01:02:16,055
Speaker 6: and then climb out, in which case we want you

1045
01:02:16,095 --> 01:02:19,295
Speaker 6: to put a restrictor stay on the window that reduces

1046
01:02:19,335 --> 01:02:22,495
Speaker 6: the gap to one hundred millimeters. But in some instances,

1047
01:02:22,975 --> 01:02:28,375
Speaker 6: some windows don't require a restricted stay as far as

1048
01:02:28,415 --> 01:02:30,815
Speaker 6: I am aware, in which case you could get out.

1049
01:02:31,335 --> 01:02:33,095
Speaker 6: But yeah, if the window happens to be a bit

1050
01:02:33,215 --> 01:02:36,415
Speaker 6: lower and it's of a certain size, then yes, you're

1051
01:02:36,415 --> 01:02:40,015
Speaker 6: putting a restricted stay in, which might prevent egress in

1052
01:02:40,055 --> 01:02:43,255
Speaker 6: the event of a fire. I'm not sure what the

1053
01:02:43,295 --> 01:02:45,855
Speaker 6: answer to that is. To be fair, eight hundred eighty

1054
01:02:45,935 --> 01:02:48,335
Speaker 6: ten eighty is the number to call. If you've got

1055
01:02:48,335 --> 01:02:50,735
Speaker 6: a question or a text, Feel free to send them through.

1056
01:02:51,095 --> 01:02:54,215
Speaker 6: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number? Another quick

1057
01:02:54,255 --> 01:02:57,135
Speaker 6: text before the break, Hey Pete, I keep all my

1058
01:02:57,375 --> 01:03:01,735
Speaker 6: used batteries and a small container and dispose of them

1059
01:03:01,735 --> 01:03:07,495
Speaker 6: at my hearing aid varieder, which is pretty good. There

1060
01:03:07,495 --> 01:03:11,015
Speaker 6: are a couple of people like abilities group. Even after

1061
01:03:11,095 --> 01:03:13,855
Speaker 6: the fire, They've got back on their feet, which is amazing.

1062
01:03:14,455 --> 01:03:17,775
Speaker 6: My ten I noticed do some battery recycling and your

1063
01:03:17,775 --> 01:03:22,335
Speaker 6: local recycling center. I've all have stopped accepting batteries, which

1064
01:03:22,375 --> 01:03:26,135
Speaker 6: I assume is due to the fire risk of storing them. Interesting.

1065
01:03:26,215 --> 01:03:28,655
Speaker 6: I assume there's also a fire risk with storing used

1066
01:03:28,655 --> 01:03:31,815
Speaker 6: batteries at home before disposal. I'm unsure of where I

1067
01:03:31,855 --> 01:03:34,495
Speaker 6: will dispose of my next lot of used batteries. We

1068
01:03:34,615 --> 01:03:37,415
Speaker 6: live on the north Shore. Well, hate good news for you, John,

1069
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Speaker 6: because I'm pretty sure that the Resource Recovery Devenport, which

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Speaker 6: I know a little bit about because I sit on

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Speaker 6: the board there, we will take batteries. We do battery

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Speaker 6: recycling there. It's a small fee, which is fine, So

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Speaker 6: come on down Divnport drop them off to us. Oh

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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 6: call if you've got a question of a building nature. Ha,

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Speaker 6: someone's someone's, someone's got to me. Just talking about vermin

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01:04:11,135 --> 01:04:14,895
Speaker 6: infesting wall cavities. A few years ago, I saw three

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01:04:15,015 --> 01:04:17,935
Speaker 6: baby rats playing up on top of a push out

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01:04:18,015 --> 01:04:22,695
Speaker 6: kitchen window, four off the ground. They had obviously climbed

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Speaker 6: up the outside wall. Well, I wonder whether they'd gone

1081
01:04:25,455 --> 01:04:30,295
Speaker 6: up the outside wall or whether they'd come up through

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01:04:30,495 --> 01:04:35,615
Speaker 6: the cladding, making use of the cavity battens as little

1083
01:04:35,655 --> 01:04:38,895
Speaker 6: ladders and then getting their sharp little claws into the

1084
01:04:38,895 --> 01:04:44,255
Speaker 6: building paper, scratching their way up through the cavity, and

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01:04:44,775 --> 01:04:48,415
Speaker 6: had appeared to enjoy the view from that four meter

1086
01:04:48,695 --> 01:04:53,775
Speaker 6: high perch. I mean, I'm really struggling to think about

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Speaker 6: vermin of any description, rats or mice climbing up the

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01:04:58,335 --> 01:05:03,615
Speaker 6: exterior of metal cladding, given how little purchase there would

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01:05:03,975 --> 01:05:09,095
Speaker 6: be for them. I suspect those ones got in probably

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01:05:09,095 --> 01:05:11,055
Speaker 6: at the bottom where there should be a vermin proof

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01:05:11,375 --> 01:05:14,815
Speaker 6: sort of closure, a vermin closure at the bottom, and

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01:05:14,935 --> 01:05:17,495
Speaker 6: got up and got out that way. But hey, look,

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01:05:18,015 --> 01:05:19,975
Speaker 6: if you've seen it, let me know. Oh eight hundred

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01:05:20,015 --> 01:05:22,695
Speaker 6: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call Will

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01:05:22,775 --> 01:05:24,735
Speaker 6: Actually it's a quick break and then we'll come to

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Speaker 6: Brian in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Measured wise, God was but maybe called Pete first for

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Speaker 1: you Wolfgaf the resident builder.

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Speaker 3: News Talk said be.

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Speaker 6: You and new Stalk said be another quick text. Actually, Pete,

1101
01:05:36,615 --> 01:05:41,135
Speaker 6: Granny flat enablement. This is the new small stand alone

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01:05:41,455 --> 01:05:45,055
Speaker 6: dwelling regulations news come out that they will not be

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01:05:45,095 --> 01:05:49,055
Speaker 6: allowed to have mezzanine flows that've been outlawed. Why many

1104
01:05:49,135 --> 01:05:53,335
Speaker 6: tiny homes use mezzanines as a space saver. Yes, they

1105
01:05:53,375 --> 01:05:57,775
Speaker 6: possibly do, but I think in terms of ensuring that

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01:05:57,815 --> 01:06:01,055
Speaker 6: these are simple buildings that are compliant, I think the

1107
01:06:01,095 --> 01:06:05,015
Speaker 6: government's taking approach that they won't be permissible in these

1108
01:06:05,055 --> 01:06:08,415
Speaker 6: buildings without getting a build consent. And I guess there's

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01:06:08,415 --> 01:06:14,655
Speaker 6: a couple of things. One is it prevents possibly someone

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01:06:14,735 --> 01:06:17,175
Speaker 6: building seventy square meters and then putting in a fifty

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01:06:17,215 --> 01:06:21,295
Speaker 6: square meter mezzanine floor, an effect creating one hundred and

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Speaker 6: thirty square meter habitable space. Also, the buildings are designed

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01:06:26,255 --> 01:06:31,655
Speaker 6: to be single story, so limited to four meters high overall.

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01:06:32,895 --> 01:06:36,535
Speaker 6: And the other thing is if you allow mezzanine flows,

1115
01:06:37,055 --> 01:06:40,455
Speaker 6: then there's also the risk of people falling from them,

1116
01:06:40,535 --> 01:06:44,215
Speaker 6: So then there's guidance around safety, prevention of falling, etc.

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01:06:44,895 --> 01:06:48,575
Speaker 6: Which some people might be likely to comply with and

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01:06:48,695 --> 01:06:51,335
Speaker 6: others less likely. So I guess the low risk approach

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Speaker 6: is to say that's it. No mezzanine flaws. You could

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Speaker 6: do one, but you'll need a building consent. I think

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Speaker 6: that's the short answer. Brian, Good morning.

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01:07:01,895 --> 01:07:05,015
Speaker 16: To you, good morning here are you very well?

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Speaker 6: Thanks Brian.

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Speaker 16: Excuse me. I'm Hamilton and there's been a bit of

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01:07:11,935 --> 01:07:17,335
Speaker 16: a who do between the county and his resident over

1126
01:07:17,455 --> 01:07:22,535
Speaker 16: and great Turner. He built a garden git and made

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01:07:22,575 --> 01:07:26,095
Speaker 16: a beautiful job. But it's in the paper, been photused

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01:07:26,135 --> 01:07:28,735
Speaker 16: in the paper of it. He made a beautiful job.

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01:07:28,975 --> 01:07:31,935
Speaker 16: And the county said to him they want a coat

1130
01:07:32,015 --> 01:07:34,335
Speaker 16: of a print and all that. He's got a movie

1131
01:07:34,575 --> 01:07:37,655
Speaker 16: sheet of wave a meter from the boundary fence and that,

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01:07:38,175 --> 01:07:41,575
Speaker 16: and he fatly refused it. And I am i that

1133
01:07:41,695 --> 01:07:45,975
Speaker 16: guy because the factors he's a cancer survivor, and he

1134
01:07:46,135 --> 01:07:49,775
Speaker 16: stood up to the county And now they've come to

1135
01:07:49,815 --> 01:07:52,455
Speaker 16: the party and said, no, you can leave it there

1136
01:07:52,895 --> 01:07:56,895
Speaker 16: because somebody complained about his shed. If they went round

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01:07:56,935 --> 01:07:59,695
Speaker 16: this whole city of Hamilton, they'd be a hell of

1138
01:07:59,775 --> 01:08:01,735
Speaker 16: a lot of sheds and mine would be some of

1139
01:08:01,775 --> 01:08:05,855
Speaker 16: them that I've just built them and couldn't be bothered

1140
01:08:05,895 --> 01:08:08,695
Speaker 16: to get a code of a branch and all that.

1141
01:08:09,175 --> 01:08:11,935
Speaker 16: And this code of appliance was going to cost seven

1142
01:08:12,055 --> 01:08:16,455
Speaker 16: hundred and thirty nine dollars. What a joke, and.

1143
01:08:17,975 --> 01:08:20,575
Speaker 6: I think what you'll find is, and this was I

1144
01:08:20,615 --> 01:08:24,975
Speaker 6: don't know announcement would have been six weeks ago or so,

1145
01:08:24,975 --> 01:08:27,255
Speaker 6: so I think it was David Seymour, along with Chris

1146
01:08:27,295 --> 01:08:32,135
Speaker 6: Penk announcing that the rules that govern the location of

1147
01:08:32,255 --> 01:08:35,055
Speaker 6: sheds and so on is changing, so up to ten

1148
01:08:35,095 --> 01:08:38,735
Speaker 6: square meters can now be put up against the boundary,

1149
01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:41,735
Speaker 6: and other buildings larger than that can be a meter

1150
01:08:41,895 --> 01:08:45,335
Speaker 6: from the boundary as of right, So you're right. Previously

1151
01:08:45,375 --> 01:08:51,255
Speaker 6: the guidance was that any shed that was built needed

1152
01:08:51,255 --> 01:08:53,815
Speaker 6: to be the height of the building away from the boundary.

1153
01:08:53,895 --> 01:08:56,055
Speaker 6: And look, I agree with you. I think that probably

1154
01:08:56,135 --> 01:09:00,215
Speaker 6: ninety nine percent of garden sheds in people's backyards would

1155
01:09:00,215 --> 01:09:05,175
Speaker 6: have been in breach of that particular guidance. So, however,

1156
01:09:05,655 --> 01:09:08,935
Speaker 6: I do have a bit of a concern around the

1157
01:09:08,975 --> 01:09:11,855
Speaker 6: fact that you know, it allows people then to build

1158
01:09:12,135 --> 01:09:16,415
Speaker 6: right on the boundary, which means, if it's up against

1159
01:09:16,455 --> 01:09:19,375
Speaker 6: a fence and you've done it in some cladding that

1160
01:09:19,455 --> 01:09:21,895
Speaker 6: might need some maintenance, how are you ever going to

1161
01:09:21,975 --> 01:09:22,575
Speaker 6: maintain that?

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01:09:23,735 --> 01:09:27,135
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's true, this joke ahead enough room to get

1163
01:09:27,935 --> 01:09:28,575
Speaker 16: to get down.

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01:09:28,455 --> 01:09:30,535
Speaker 6: There and do some maintenance and that sort of thing.

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01:09:30,775 --> 01:09:34,335
Speaker 16: And it should be made that. You know, it's affordable,

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01:09:34,455 --> 01:09:39,735
Speaker 16: you can move it out, it's neat being you know, it's.

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01:09:39,535 --> 01:09:40,575
Speaker 5: Going to be interesting to see.

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01:09:41,975 --> 01:09:44,175
Speaker 6: I sort of I get it at a certain level, right,

1169
01:09:44,215 --> 01:09:46,975
Speaker 6: you know, it's it was all a bit absurd and

1170
01:09:47,055 --> 01:09:49,855
Speaker 6: so on. But at the same time, a typical sort

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01:09:49,895 --> 01:09:52,975
Speaker 6: of ten square meter building will be something like four

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01:09:53,055 --> 01:09:56,695
Speaker 6: meters long by two and a half meters, okay. And

1173
01:09:56,855 --> 01:10:00,095
Speaker 6: if you know, you're at your kitchen bench looking out

1174
01:10:00,135 --> 01:10:02,375
Speaker 6: at your fence, and then you find that there's a

1175
01:10:02,495 --> 01:10:07,335
Speaker 6: four meter long structure built hard up against the fence,

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01:10:07,495 --> 01:10:10,095
Speaker 6: and if it's already let's say two point two two

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01:10:10,095 --> 01:10:12,855
Speaker 6: point three two point four meters high, it's going to

1178
01:10:12,855 --> 01:10:16,695
Speaker 6: be about six hundred millimeters above the fence. It's quite

1179
01:10:16,775 --> 01:10:18,895
Speaker 6: something to look at, isn't it. If your neighbor ends

1180
01:10:18,935 --> 01:10:22,575
Speaker 6: up building right there and is allowed.

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01:10:22,255 --> 01:10:26,015
Speaker 16: To do so, well, I've got a kindergarten, a well

1182
01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:29,255
Speaker 16: known kindergarten throughout New German. Yeah, and now am my

1183
01:10:29,455 --> 01:10:34,775
Speaker 16: next door neighbors and they got shed there and that

1184
01:10:34,935 --> 01:10:37,455
Speaker 16: right up against to be onto. I've got no problem

1185
01:10:37,495 --> 01:10:39,695
Speaker 16: with that. I keep my nose and my own beck.

1186
01:10:39,775 --> 01:10:46,255
Speaker 16: Yet it's a good's not my problem.

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01:10:46,375 --> 01:10:48,695
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate the call.

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01:10:48,815 --> 01:10:52,135
Speaker 16: Very nice call, very very good neighbors.

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Speaker 6: Nice call. You have a great day eight hundred eighty

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01:10:55,775 --> 01:10:58,015
Speaker 6: ten eighty if you've got a question. I thought he

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01:10:58,095 --> 01:11:00,735
Speaker 6: was going to refer to another story with a sort

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01:11:00,735 --> 01:11:03,975
Speaker 6: of family group who had built a whole series of

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01:11:05,135 --> 01:11:10,855
Speaker 6: non compliant, consented and therefore non compliant buildings which after

1194
01:11:11,375 --> 01:11:13,895
Speaker 6: any number of visits from the local council, they've been

1195
01:11:13,895 --> 01:11:16,295
Speaker 6: told that they needed to remove them or get compliance.

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01:11:16,695 --> 01:11:18,735
Speaker 6: And I think they've ended up about one hundred and

1197
01:11:18,735 --> 01:11:25,335
Speaker 6: thirty one thousand dollars less well off poorer at the

1198
01:11:25,455 --> 01:11:27,255
Speaker 6: end of their battle. That was in the paper in

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01:11:27,295 --> 01:11:31,655
Speaker 6: the last few days. As well battery recycling at the

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01:11:31,655 --> 01:11:35,855
Speaker 6: Wellington Tip, phone recycle at oh you can also do

1201
01:11:35,935 --> 01:11:39,095
Speaker 6: phone recycling at one New Zealand. Yeah, you're right and

1202
01:11:39,335 --> 01:11:42,495
Speaker 6: some actually quite a few recycling centers will take them

1203
01:11:42,575 --> 01:11:49,135
Speaker 6: as well. And Wellington Central North end of Lambton Key.

1204
01:11:49,455 --> 01:11:52,295
Speaker 6: That would probably make sense if you're in Wellington. The

1205
01:11:52,375 --> 01:11:55,775
Speaker 6: other thing if you're looking for and I saw this

1206
01:11:55,815 --> 01:11:57,855
Speaker 6: when I was down at Brands earlier in the year.

1207
01:11:58,935 --> 01:12:03,575
Speaker 6: So Brands have supported a basically building an online map

1208
01:12:03,895 --> 01:12:09,815
Speaker 6: which allows you to search for where to take recyclable

1209
01:12:09,855 --> 01:12:13,215
Speaker 6: products anywhere in the country. So if for example, you're

1210
01:12:13,495 --> 01:12:16,495
Speaker 6: an Eketahuna and you've got some batteries that you want

1211
01:12:16,535 --> 01:12:20,495
Speaker 6: to recycle, go onto the brand's map. I'll get your

1212
01:12:20,575 --> 01:12:24,815
Speaker 6: details of that in the moment and search for you're

1213
01:12:25,175 --> 01:12:28,295
Speaker 6: put in the location. Say what product it is that

1214
01:12:28,335 --> 01:12:31,495
Speaker 6: you're looking to recycle, and it will hopefully tell you

1215
01:12:31,615 --> 01:12:34,055
Speaker 6: where to go in the best possible way. I'll get

1216
01:12:34,095 --> 01:12:35,855
Speaker 6: you some more details on that in just a moment.

1217
01:12:35,895 --> 01:12:37,775
Speaker 6: If you've got a question of a building nature, oh

1218
01:12:37,855 --> 01:12:40,735
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,

1219
01:12:41,015 --> 01:12:43,815
Speaker 6: call us now and we'll come back to you straight after.

1220
01:12:43,575 --> 01:12:47,535
Speaker 1: The break helping you get those DIY projects done right.

1221
01:12:47,735 --> 01:12:51,055
Speaker 1: The resident builder with peta wolfcat, call oh eight hundred

1222
01:12:51,095 --> 01:12:54,495
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighteen youth talk ZB before.

1223
01:12:54,215 --> 01:12:57,055
Speaker 6: I forget, which I have done last week and maybe

1224
01:12:57,055 --> 01:13:00,055
Speaker 6: even the week before. If you recall a couple of

1225
01:13:00,055 --> 01:13:05,015
Speaker 6: weeks ago, there was a young woman who phoned who

1226
01:13:05,255 --> 01:13:08,895
Speaker 6: was asking the already started with asking how to repair

1227
01:13:09,015 --> 01:13:12,535
Speaker 6: some plaster board, and I was thinking, Okay, well, maybe

1228
01:13:12,535 --> 01:13:15,255
Speaker 6: it's in a flatting situation and it needs to be

1229
01:13:15,295 --> 01:13:17,935
Speaker 6: done because these things happened from time to time. Turned

1230
01:13:17,975 --> 01:13:20,375
Speaker 6: out that the reason that they needed to repair the

1231
01:13:20,375 --> 01:13:28,095
Speaker 6: plasterboard is that a cat had, in some incredible set

1232
01:13:28,135 --> 01:13:33,895
Speaker 6: of circumstances, managed to find itself trapped inside the wall,

1233
01:13:34,015 --> 01:13:37,615
Speaker 6: and there was an attempt to go from the inside,

1234
01:13:37,615 --> 01:13:39,535
Speaker 6: but then they couldn't reach it, and this person then

1235
01:13:39,575 --> 01:13:43,295
Speaker 6: took it upon themselves to remove some of the exterior cladding,

1236
01:13:43,295 --> 01:13:45,215
Speaker 6: which I think might have been metal clatting. We've talked

1237
01:13:45,215 --> 01:13:48,375
Speaker 6: about that, in order to get the cat out. Anyway,

1238
01:13:48,415 --> 01:13:51,295
Speaker 6: the story made quite an impression on a mate of mine,

1239
01:13:51,815 --> 01:13:54,655
Speaker 6: Mike from Razine Construction, who rang me during the week

1240
01:13:54,695 --> 01:13:57,815
Speaker 6: and said, I was so impressed by that particular caller.

1241
01:13:58,455 --> 01:14:02,135
Speaker 6: I'd like to give them, like a tool, a prize

1242
01:14:02,135 --> 01:14:07,895
Speaker 6: for their initiative and efforts. If you remember that story,

1243
01:14:07,935 --> 01:14:10,855
Speaker 6: and if you're listening, can you give us a call,

1244
01:14:10,935 --> 01:14:16,015
Speaker 6: because quite seriously, they were so impressed by your initiative

1245
01:14:16,215 --> 01:14:19,415
Speaker 6: and your general all around goodspa that they want to

1246
01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:22,015
Speaker 6: reward you for that. So if you remember the story

1247
01:14:22,895 --> 01:14:24,895
Speaker 6: and you're listening to the show today, give us a callback.

1248
01:14:24,895 --> 01:14:26,775
Speaker 6: We'd love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred and

1249
01:14:26,775 --> 01:14:29,695
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty r. Now here's the details. So if

1250
01:14:29,735 --> 01:14:35,335
Speaker 6: you are interested in finding somewhere to take recyclables, there

1251
01:14:35,455 --> 01:14:39,975
Speaker 6: is now a new interactive map which has been discovered

1252
01:14:39,975 --> 01:14:43,575
Speaker 6: so or been developed by Brands. So Brands being the

1253
01:14:43,655 --> 01:14:50,535
Speaker 6: Building Research Authority Association rather, they've done the resource Recovery map.

1254
01:14:50,695 --> 01:14:54,135
Speaker 6: So just type in Brands Resource Recovery Map, it'll bring

1255
01:14:54,175 --> 01:14:56,735
Speaker 6: up the map. You can search for an address or

1256
01:14:56,775 --> 01:14:59,895
Speaker 6: a waste facility in the areas near you and it

1257
01:14:59,895 --> 01:15:01,975
Speaker 6: will tell you, hopefully what they take.

1258
01:15:02,055 --> 01:15:02,255
Speaker 3: Now.

1259
01:15:03,055 --> 01:15:06,135
Speaker 6: Also, if you are in the business of being able

1260
01:15:06,175 --> 01:15:12,775
Speaker 6: to do recycling at your store or at a center

1261
01:15:12,855 --> 01:15:15,815
Speaker 6: or business that you run, you can add your details

1262
01:15:15,855 --> 01:15:17,735
Speaker 6: to the map. So get in touch with Brands and

1263
01:15:17,735 --> 01:15:20,535
Speaker 6: say hey, look we're into the business of recycling and

1264
01:15:20,615 --> 01:15:24,135
Speaker 6: we'll take X, Y and z. So have a look

1265
01:15:24,135 --> 01:15:27,055
Speaker 6: at it. It's very good and over time I'm thinking

1266
01:15:27,415 --> 01:15:29,855
Speaker 6: it will develop more and more. So for example, I'm

1267
01:15:29,895 --> 01:15:32,735
Speaker 6: just looking at the first bit of it. You know

1268
01:15:33,415 --> 01:15:37,575
Speaker 6: concrete recycling, like where can you go to do concrete recycling?

1269
01:15:37,615 --> 01:15:39,175
Speaker 6: Well you can search for that. Where can you go

1270
01:15:39,215 --> 01:15:41,335
Speaker 6: and take your batteries? Where can I take my plastics?

1271
01:15:41,375 --> 01:15:43,375
Speaker 6: Where can I take metal? Where can I take all

1272
01:15:43,415 --> 01:15:45,775
Speaker 6: of the things that can be recycled. So there you go.

1273
01:15:46,175 --> 01:15:49,935
Speaker 6: Check it out. That's the brand's resource recovery map. Is

1274
01:15:49,975 --> 01:15:52,655
Speaker 6: what you need to do A quick google of right,

1275
01:15:52,775 --> 01:15:54,735
Speaker 6: oh oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number

1276
01:15:54,775 --> 01:15:58,935
Speaker 6: to call Tim. Good morning to you. Yeah, hey mate, greetings,

1277
01:15:59,335 --> 01:15:59,815
Speaker 6: what's up?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So I just wrung up since we're talking about

1279
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Speaker 15: building and content on I've got a little kid. Yes,

1280
01:16:10,095 --> 01:16:17,575
Speaker 15: with the backyard boats and treehouses, what type of consents

1281
01:16:17,695 --> 01:16:24,855
Speaker 15: or guidance for safety is given by counsel if if

1282
01:16:24,855 --> 01:16:28,415
Speaker 15: someone was to look over the bench and complain like anything,

1283
01:16:28,455 --> 01:16:32,735
Speaker 15: that is there any restrict restrictions from council Because you

1284
01:16:32,735 --> 01:16:38,095
Speaker 15: can buy a lot of kits online or from stores

1285
01:16:39,575 --> 01:16:42,295
Speaker 15: are of suitable construction when you first purchased them, but

1286
01:16:42,375 --> 01:16:48,495
Speaker 15: then they sold on, sold on based on second hand

1287
01:16:48,775 --> 01:16:51,775
Speaker 15: and then they become rickety because they built with materials

1288
01:16:51,815 --> 01:16:56,015
Speaker 15: that aren't really suitable for long term outside use.

1289
01:16:57,175 --> 01:17:00,575
Speaker 6: To the best of my knowledge, and I'm happy to

1290
01:17:00,615 --> 01:17:03,495
Speaker 6: be corrected on this, to the best of my knowledge,

1291
01:17:04,015 --> 01:17:08,575
Speaker 6: there's no There probably are, but I'm not aware of

1292
01:17:08,615 --> 01:17:13,975
Speaker 6: any regulations around tree huts and tree forts and those

1293
01:17:14,015 --> 01:17:18,815
Speaker 6: sorts of things in backyards. I suspect that there might be, so,

1294
01:17:18,975 --> 01:17:21,775
Speaker 6: for example, if it's more than two meters high, or

1295
01:17:21,855 --> 01:17:24,815
Speaker 6: if it's elevated off the ground, and all the rest

1296
01:17:24,855 --> 01:17:30,895
Speaker 6: of it. For several years we had a little two

1297
01:17:31,015 --> 01:17:34,415
Speaker 6: story hut in the back of our property that had

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01:17:34,455 --> 01:17:38,415
Speaker 6: an internal stare ladder that led you up to a

1299
01:17:38,575 --> 01:17:42,415
Speaker 6: second story platform which led you out onto a little

1300
01:17:42,535 --> 01:17:45,215
Speaker 6: mezzanine balcony that ran around the outside of the building,

1301
01:17:46,055 --> 01:17:48,615
Speaker 6: none of which would have been compliant at all with

1302
01:17:48,735 --> 01:17:51,335
Speaker 6: any building regulations that I'm aware of. But it sat

1303
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:54,975
Speaker 6: in our backyard and was used a fair amount for

1304
01:17:55,015 --> 01:17:58,135
Speaker 6: a number of years, and actually in the end, when

1305
01:17:58,175 --> 01:18:00,855
Speaker 6: I did take it down, I sent it went to

1306
01:18:00,895 --> 01:18:02,375
Speaker 6: a mate of mine who's put it up in his

1307
01:18:02,495 --> 01:18:05,655
Speaker 6: backyard and his kids are enjoying it today.

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01:18:05,375 --> 01:18:10,815
Speaker 15: So basically it comes down to the family. How safe

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01:18:10,855 --> 01:18:11,615
Speaker 15: they want your kids?

1310
01:18:11,735 --> 01:18:11,935
Speaker 7: Look?

1311
01:18:12,175 --> 01:18:14,695
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean look, you know, as parents our

1312
01:18:14,775 --> 01:18:16,935
Speaker 6: jobs to look after the kids, right, So do you

1313
01:18:16,975 --> 01:18:19,575
Speaker 6: want to build something that's that is likely to cause

1314
01:18:19,615 --> 01:18:22,535
Speaker 6: them injury? Hopefully not. Do you want to build something

1315
01:18:22,535 --> 01:18:24,615
Speaker 6: that might be a little bit exciting for them? You

1316
01:18:24,775 --> 01:18:29,335
Speaker 6: probably do, But I'm happy to be corrected on this.

1317
01:18:29,855 --> 01:18:34,655
Speaker 6: But to my awareness. I don't know that there's any

1318
01:18:34,695 --> 01:18:37,975
Speaker 6: specific rules, but you would hope that common sense would.

1319
01:18:38,415 --> 01:18:39,775
Speaker 15: I just want to go on a lot to be

1320
01:18:39,815 --> 01:18:42,975
Speaker 15: sort of creating something, and then and then someone tell

1321
01:18:43,095 --> 01:18:46,575
Speaker 15: me that I'm safe and I'm not allowed to look.

1322
01:18:46,615 --> 01:18:49,215
Speaker 6: There was a case a little while ago where someone

1323
01:18:49,295 --> 01:18:52,775
Speaker 6: had started to construct like a three story tower in

1324
01:18:52,855 --> 01:18:57,935
Speaker 6: their backyard, which I'm not sure what the purpose of

1325
01:18:57,975 --> 01:19:01,695
Speaker 6: it was, but from the photographs that I saw, it

1326
01:19:01,815 --> 01:19:06,135
Speaker 6: was rickety and unsound and obviously built from materials not

1327
01:19:06,175 --> 01:19:10,815
Speaker 6: all suitable, had no specific engineering design or consideration for

1328
01:19:10,935 --> 01:19:16,975
Speaker 6: building standards, and it stood in their backyard three stories high.

1329
01:19:17,055 --> 01:19:19,535
Speaker 6: Now probably not proper stories, but you know, you get

1330
01:19:19,535 --> 01:19:22,535
Speaker 6: the picture. And eventually they were made to take that down,

1331
01:19:22,655 --> 01:19:28,455
Speaker 6: and for good reason. It was obviously unsound and considerably risky.

1332
01:19:28,575 --> 01:19:33,455
Speaker 6: But yeah, and in that sense, I think you've got

1333
01:19:33,455 --> 01:19:36,735
Speaker 6: to go really big, really tall, really dangerous for anyone

1334
01:19:36,775 --> 01:19:45,295
Speaker 6: to care, is my thinking. Okayal medical, Yeah, A little

1335
01:19:45,295 --> 01:19:47,895
Speaker 6: bit of common sense goes a long way in these situations.

1336
01:19:49,215 --> 01:19:52,735
Speaker 6: All right, all the best, take care and Henry, greetings

1337
01:19:52,735 --> 01:19:55,415
Speaker 6: to you. Henry.

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01:19:55,455 --> 01:20:01,415
Speaker 17: Hello, Yeah, yeah, hi go from Yeah. I question is

1339
01:20:02,735 --> 01:20:06,415
Speaker 17: I've got a house on the southern side of our bound.

1340
01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:09,215
Speaker 17: We've got a swimming pool right up beside the fence

1341
01:20:09,855 --> 01:20:14,615
Speaker 17: bus a sparpol and the pumps and that are right

1342
01:20:14,655 --> 01:20:18,815
Speaker 17: beside the fence, and they are going. You know, the

1343
01:20:18,855 --> 01:20:23,655
Speaker 17: swimming pool circulates NonStop through the day and then up

1344
01:20:23,735 --> 01:20:29,215
Speaker 17: until about ten o'clock when they're in this sparpl it's

1345
01:20:29,215 --> 01:20:33,575
Speaker 17: bubbling away. And it's right beside the bedroom on the house,

1346
01:20:33,615 --> 01:20:38,255
Speaker 17: which is twelve hundred Our house is twelve hundred away

1347
01:20:38,255 --> 01:20:42,455
Speaker 17: from the fence, and this noise is going all the time.

1348
01:20:42,815 --> 01:20:47,615
Speaker 17: What's the regulations for all this? It's been going up

1349
01:20:47,615 --> 01:20:49,655
Speaker 17: for quite a few years, and you know, you just

1350
01:20:49,775 --> 01:20:56,015
Speaker 17: put up with it, and it's becoming when you get older,

1351
01:20:56,215 --> 01:21:03,575
Speaker 17: you three pattern changes and all this sort of.

1352
01:21:05,175 --> 01:21:07,375
Speaker 6: It's a lack of consider isn't it on the part

1353
01:21:07,375 --> 01:21:09,375
Speaker 6: of the neighbor. Right, I'm gonna I'm going to wake

1354
01:21:09,455 --> 01:21:11,615
Speaker 6: the pump somewhere that I can't hear it. But if

1355
01:21:11,615 --> 01:21:13,895
Speaker 6: my neighbor happens to hear it, well, I kind of

1356
01:21:13,935 --> 01:21:17,255
Speaker 6: don't care. In the first instance. Have you gone across

1357
01:21:17,335 --> 01:21:19,415
Speaker 6: the neighbor and said, hey, is there something you can

1358
01:21:19,495 --> 01:21:19,935
Speaker 6: do about this?

1359
01:21:21,815 --> 01:21:22,055
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1360
01:21:22,135 --> 01:21:25,535
Speaker 17: Well, there was a talking stage at once, but now

1361
01:21:25,615 --> 01:21:30,375
Speaker 17: we've had other issues. Right, it is not you know.

1362
01:21:31,695 --> 01:21:34,575
Speaker 17: I was just wondering, is that any regulations for the

1363
01:21:34,615 --> 01:21:40,495
Speaker 17: sound proofing of these pumps where they are anything like that,

1364
01:21:40,535 --> 01:21:44,055
Speaker 17: because actually we've got two swimming pools, one on the

1365
01:21:44,135 --> 01:21:48,175
Speaker 17: southern the end of the house, on the west the

1366
01:21:48,295 --> 01:21:51,695
Speaker 17: end of the house and right beside the windows.

1367
01:21:51,895 --> 01:21:54,535
Speaker 6: All right, but not from the same person. Someone doesn't

1368
01:21:54,535 --> 01:21:56,975
Speaker 6: have two swims. This is one neighbor's got a pull

1369
01:21:57,015 --> 01:21:59,415
Speaker 6: and the other one's got to pull. Yeah, I'll tell

1370
01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:00,975
Speaker 6: you what it. Leave it with me. I'll do a

1371
01:22:01,015 --> 01:22:04,335
Speaker 6: little bit of research because I'm not sure if there

1372
01:22:04,415 --> 01:22:08,895
Speaker 6: is actually any regulations around services and a requirement to

1373
01:22:08,975 --> 01:22:15,055
Speaker 6: keep noise below a certain decibel rating long term. But

1374
01:22:15,335 --> 01:22:17,575
Speaker 6: I'll have a look. Stay listening and I'll see if

1375
01:22:17,575 --> 01:22:20,255
Speaker 6: I can find some information. During the news, Sport and weather,

1376
01:22:20,255 --> 01:22:23,535
Speaker 6: which is coming up at eight o'clock after the break,

1377
01:22:23,535 --> 01:22:26,975
Speaker 6: we're back into open line around building and building issues,

1378
01:22:27,295 --> 01:22:30,255
Speaker 6: and at eight point thirty live and in person, a

1379
01:22:30,415 --> 01:22:32,735
Speaker 6: rid Cline past is joining me, So looking forward to

1380
01:22:32,735 --> 01:22:37,455
Speaker 6: that radio. We're back after the news.

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01:22:35,775 --> 01:22:42,215
Speaker 1: You meat it twice, God was, but maybe call Pete first.

1382
01:22:42,335 --> 01:22:47,255
Speaker 1: Vide Wolfcab the resident builder. News Talk said, be radio.

1383
01:22:47,615 --> 01:22:51,215
Speaker 6: We are talking all things building and construction. Oh, eight

1384
01:22:51,335 --> 01:22:54,535
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1385
01:22:55,575 --> 01:22:59,895
Speaker 6: Just talking with Henry before the break. There around a

1386
01:22:59,975 --> 01:23:05,455
Speaker 6: neighbor that has a pool which is obviously heated. Excuse me,

1387
01:23:06,415 --> 01:23:09,935
Speaker 6: so has the heat pump or whatever heating device he

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01:23:10,055 --> 01:23:13,655
Speaker 6: has which is adjacent to the boundary and causing noise?

1389
01:23:13,695 --> 01:23:18,335
Speaker 6: And are there regulations? Well, surprise, surprise, there are actually regulations.

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01:23:19,295 --> 01:23:22,735
Speaker 6: It might vary from counsel to counsel. So where I've

1391
01:23:22,855 --> 01:23:28,975
Speaker 6: ended up is on an Auckland Council website and an

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01:23:29,735 --> 01:23:32,895
Speaker 6: information thing. It's actually talking about heat pumps and avoiding

1393
01:23:33,055 --> 01:23:37,735
Speaker 6: nuisance from where you happen to install them. And it

1394
01:23:37,775 --> 01:23:46,655
Speaker 6: does have some acceptable decibel ratings. So for example, Monday

1395
01:23:46,695 --> 01:23:49,735
Speaker 6: through Saturday from ten am to ten pm, fifty decibels

1396
01:23:49,775 --> 01:23:52,735
Speaker 6: and from Sunday from nine till six so slightly shorter time,

1397
01:23:53,615 --> 01:23:58,575
Speaker 6: fifty dea spells is acceptable. At other times it's forty decibels.

1398
01:24:00,215 --> 01:24:04,215
Speaker 6: So there's and then there's guidance as to where you

1399
01:24:04,215 --> 01:24:06,655
Speaker 6: can take that measurement from and so on and so forth.

1400
01:24:06,735 --> 01:24:10,055
Speaker 6: So look, if you've got a smartphone like most people

1401
01:24:10,095 --> 01:24:12,255
Speaker 6: do have these days. You'll probably have a little app.

1402
01:24:12,295 --> 01:24:14,215
Speaker 6: I've got one on my phone which is a disabel

1403
01:24:14,335 --> 01:24:18,215
Speaker 6: reading or dispel meter, so you can take your own

1404
01:24:18,215 --> 01:24:20,695
Speaker 6: measurements and if it's over a certain amount, I guess

1405
01:24:20,775 --> 01:24:23,655
Speaker 6: you could go to council. They'll probably say it's the

1406
01:24:23,655 --> 01:24:26,295
Speaker 6: civil matter. You need to deal it with it, deal

1407
01:24:26,375 --> 01:24:29,135
Speaker 6: with it yourself. In which case, if you've already fallen

1408
01:24:29,175 --> 01:24:30,775
Speaker 6: out with a neighbor, I'm not sure if there's a

1409
01:24:30,815 --> 01:24:34,815
Speaker 6: pathway forward, but if this is a concern to you,

1410
01:24:34,815 --> 01:24:38,535
Speaker 6: you will find guidance probably on your local council's website.

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01:24:38,575 --> 01:24:40,535
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, we're talking all

1412
01:24:40,535 --> 01:24:41,695
Speaker 6: things building and construction.

1413
01:24:42,135 --> 01:24:45,335
Speaker 3: Good morning, Mike, Good morning guys.

1414
01:24:45,335 --> 01:24:46,015
Speaker 7: How are you doing?

1415
01:24:46,215 --> 01:24:48,015
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, actually in yourself.

1416
01:24:48,935 --> 01:24:53,815
Speaker 18: Very good, Thank you earlier. So it's a bit tough, Pete.

1417
01:24:53,855 --> 01:24:57,895
Speaker 18: Can you help me please. I've got an old house

1418
01:24:57,935 --> 01:25:02,255
Speaker 18: we've had for seventy years, a family family home. We've

1419
01:25:02,655 --> 01:25:06,455
Speaker 18: removed the kitchen and there was corks flooring and we

1420
01:25:06,495 --> 01:25:10,175
Speaker 18: lifted up the cork. I argument with our brother. He

1421
01:25:10,215 --> 01:25:14,295
Speaker 18: didn't want to do it, and I did. To send

1422
01:25:13,975 --> 01:25:17,975
Speaker 18: the beautiful old chore with the hardwood floors then just gorgeous.

1423
01:25:17,975 --> 01:25:19,175
Speaker 7: We're going to do it all the way through.

1424
01:25:19,575 --> 01:25:23,375
Speaker 18: But underneath the cork, somebody's gone mad with a staple.

1425
01:25:24,775 --> 01:25:28,375
Speaker 3: The small sin, the staples.

1426
01:25:27,695 --> 01:25:28,815
Speaker 7: And it's in't the hardwood.

1427
01:25:28,895 --> 01:25:33,015
Speaker 18: I've gone through one staple remote. In fact, I've brought

1428
01:25:33,055 --> 01:25:35,655
Speaker 18: two staple removers, one from Fallers and one from Rapid

1429
01:25:36,415 --> 01:25:40,655
Speaker 18: and neither of them they just keep bending. I've tried

1430
01:25:40,815 --> 01:25:46,975
Speaker 18: this the hard almost cutters to try and get them out,

1431
01:25:47,015 --> 01:25:49,775
Speaker 18: but it's just turned into a nightmare. Have you got

1432
01:25:49,815 --> 01:25:53,655
Speaker 18: any suggestions on what might work.

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01:25:55,055 --> 01:25:59,535
Speaker 6: I shouldn't be laughing, but I have done that job.

1434
01:25:59,855 --> 01:26:03,935
Speaker 6: In fact, it was many many years ago, and to

1435
01:26:03,975 --> 01:26:06,215
Speaker 6: make matters worth, I did it with a massive hango

1436
01:26:06,335 --> 01:26:09,415
Speaker 6: of it. I'm not not proud of that anyway. Yeah,

1437
01:26:09,495 --> 01:26:12,775
Speaker 6: so I'm painting a picture, right So anyway, that was

1438
01:26:12,855 --> 01:26:16,175
Speaker 6: that was back in the day. Look, there's there's limited

1439
01:26:16,215 --> 01:26:19,015
Speaker 6: success because what you've got typically is you've got is

1440
01:26:19,055 --> 01:26:21,895
Speaker 6: it a like a commercial staple or a staple out

1441
01:26:21,895 --> 01:26:24,695
Speaker 6: of a little hand held stapler. It'll be a proper stable.

1442
01:26:25,135 --> 01:26:27,375
Speaker 18: It looks like it looks like probably the first commercial

1443
01:26:27,455 --> 01:26:30,415
Speaker 18: stapley came out. I was just literally went to town

1444
01:26:30,575 --> 01:26:32,055
Speaker 18: I've never seen somebody staples.

1445
01:26:32,055 --> 01:26:33,935
Speaker 6: Well, that's the beauty of having, you know, a little

1446
01:26:33,935 --> 01:26:37,495
Speaker 6: pneumatic tool. You can just fire to your heart's consent, right,

1447
01:26:37,535 --> 01:26:39,375
Speaker 6: and you don't want it to drum, so you go

1448
01:26:39,495 --> 01:26:42,295
Speaker 6: and to be fair, when you put them down, your

1449
01:26:42,375 --> 01:26:44,615
Speaker 6: job is to make sure it doesn't come up again. Right,

1450
01:26:44,695 --> 01:26:48,335
Speaker 6: So staples every hundred millimeters they'll be. They'll have a

1451
01:26:48,335 --> 01:26:53,575
Speaker 6: crown of about it's ridiculous, all right, So you've you've

1452
01:26:53,575 --> 01:26:56,295
Speaker 6: pulled up the hardboard, you left with all of the staples.

1453
01:26:57,175 --> 01:27:00,735
Speaker 6: I would typically just use a pair of nips, right,

1454
01:27:00,895 --> 01:27:06,295
Speaker 6: So try and grab them. I try and grab them

1455
01:27:06,575 --> 01:27:10,135
Speaker 6: right at the top, right, so where the you bend

1456
01:27:10,175 --> 01:27:13,175
Speaker 6: at the toppers with the harspers. Grab it there and

1457
01:27:13,255 --> 01:27:14,775
Speaker 6: give it a little lever and see if you can

1458
01:27:14,815 --> 01:27:18,175
Speaker 6: get them out. Nine times out of ten it snaps off,

1459
01:27:18,215 --> 01:27:21,015
Speaker 6: and then you're left with like a two milimeter stub

1460
01:27:21,375 --> 01:27:23,575
Speaker 6: that you can't get the nips onto. And even if

1461
01:27:23,615 --> 01:27:27,175
Speaker 6: you could, probably couldn't peel it out, in which case

1462
01:27:27,975 --> 01:27:31,735
Speaker 6: I have just cut them off, flush and punched them

1463
01:27:31,775 --> 01:27:36,255
Speaker 6: down because there's really no other alternative, right. I've heard

1464
01:27:36,295 --> 01:27:39,855
Speaker 6: that wetting the boards might work, So if you flooded

1465
01:27:39,895 --> 01:27:44,175
Speaker 6: the floor and saturated it. You might find that it

1466
01:27:44,775 --> 01:27:47,375
Speaker 6: swells the timber a bit and it releases its grip

1467
01:27:47,495 --> 01:27:51,375
Speaker 6: on the fastener. That might help. And certainly I know

1468
01:27:51,455 --> 01:27:54,215
Speaker 6: guys that lift floors, you know, as part of demolition

1469
01:27:54,255 --> 01:27:58,055
Speaker 6: and recycling, they will often just completely saturate the floor

1470
01:27:58,335 --> 01:28:00,175
Speaker 6: and then it helps pull the boards up and the

1471
01:28:00,255 --> 01:28:02,695
Speaker 6: nails might just sort of pull through, So the same

1472
01:28:02,775 --> 01:28:07,095
Speaker 6: might apply if you can. In some cases with nails,

1473
01:28:07,135 --> 01:28:09,655
Speaker 6: what I often do is give them a small tap

1474
01:28:09,775 --> 01:28:14,215
Speaker 6: in to sort of release that grip. But on a staple,

1475
01:28:14,495 --> 01:28:16,775
Speaker 6: it tends to just bend the top of the staple

1476
01:28:16,815 --> 01:28:19,735
Speaker 6: over and it's not really an advantage to you, so

1477
01:28:21,535 --> 01:28:24,255
Speaker 6: try and get them out with some nips. Otherwise, cut

1478
01:28:24,255 --> 01:28:27,095
Speaker 6: them off as close and just punch them down and

1479
01:28:28,415 --> 01:28:31,055
Speaker 6: it'll still look okay. To be fair, I mean, you

1480
01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:36,295
Speaker 6: can go when the sander comes in. Yeah, that'll happen inevitably,

1481
01:28:36,415 --> 01:28:38,295
Speaker 6: and then you want to make sure that the sander

1482
01:28:38,815 --> 01:28:41,415
Speaker 6: if there's some that you'll miss, and inevitably there will be,

1483
01:28:41,695 --> 01:28:44,335
Speaker 6: the sander should go through and punch them again. And

1484
01:28:44,375 --> 01:28:47,295
Speaker 6: then typically what they do is they trail the whole

1485
01:28:47,295 --> 01:28:49,735
Speaker 6: floor up with filler and that'll fill any of those

1486
01:28:49,775 --> 01:28:52,055
Speaker 6: little holes.

1487
01:28:52,295 --> 01:28:52,495
Speaker 7: Likely.

1488
01:28:53,255 --> 01:28:54,655
Speaker 18: I wish i'd left the corcord though.

1489
01:28:55,295 --> 01:29:00,735
Speaker 19: Yeah, And to be fair, there will be a bunch

1490
01:29:00,775 --> 01:29:03,335
Speaker 19: of people listening who go, yep, been there, done that,

1491
01:29:04,055 --> 01:29:06,495
Speaker 19: you know, and I get where you come from.

1492
01:29:06,535 --> 01:29:09,895
Speaker 6: I think it is lovely to restore those native timber floors.

1493
01:29:09,935 --> 01:29:12,935
Speaker 6: If it's sevent years old, chances are it's MATTEI something

1494
01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:15,375
Speaker 6: like that. It will look gorgeous without a doubt.

1495
01:29:15,455 --> 01:29:18,255
Speaker 18: Actually we're big a combination of that through the walls.

1496
01:29:18,255 --> 01:29:20,775
Speaker 6: And yeah, nice a dial agreement.

1497
01:29:20,855 --> 01:29:24,295
Speaker 18: That's yeah, tomazing, So well, thank you very much for that,

1498
01:29:24,375 --> 01:29:26,455
Speaker 18: really appreciated. I'll try some we thing and I'll try it.

1499
01:29:26,495 --> 01:29:28,535
Speaker 6: Might even try to go actually, and let us know

1500
01:29:28,575 --> 01:29:31,255
Speaker 6: how you get on, you know, and don't be too

1501
01:29:31,255 --> 01:29:34,655
Speaker 6: concerned about like typically we don't want water on timber floors,

1502
01:29:34,695 --> 01:29:36,855
Speaker 6: but you know, if you've got a bit of time

1503
01:29:36,935 --> 01:29:39,255
Speaker 6: before you're going to be standing it, it'll dry out

1504
01:29:39,295 --> 01:29:41,415
Speaker 6: again and it might just help get a few more

1505
01:29:41,455 --> 01:29:47,095
Speaker 6: of those fasteners out, those staples out. Good luck take

1506
01:29:47,135 --> 01:29:47,695
Speaker 6: care of well.

1507
01:29:47,735 --> 01:29:48,015
Speaker 5: By then.

1508
01:29:49,415 --> 01:29:51,575
Speaker 6: I'm wondering whether that was a wise story to tell,

1509
01:29:51,615 --> 01:29:54,295
Speaker 6: but anyway, it was true. It was also a long, long,

1510
01:29:54,335 --> 01:29:56,935
Speaker 6: time ago. Oh, eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1511
01:29:57,135 --> 01:30:00,095
Speaker 6: is that number to call. It's thirteen minutes after eight.

1512
01:30:00,455 --> 01:30:02,575
Speaker 6: If you have a question of building nature, you should

1513
01:30:02,615 --> 01:30:05,535
Speaker 6: call us now, because from eight thirty one we're talking

1514
01:30:05,575 --> 01:30:09,655
Speaker 6: all things gardening. Staple removing two tools, a flat nose

1515
01:30:09,735 --> 01:30:13,735
Speaker 6: plier and a magic tool. Is a thick partty knife

1516
01:30:13,735 --> 01:30:19,495
Speaker 6: to get underneath them. I'm wondering whether the thick partty

1517
01:30:19,535 --> 01:30:26,055
Speaker 6: knife you use to sort of leaver the flat nose

1518
01:30:26,175 --> 01:30:32,775
Speaker 6: pliers from or onto. Anyway, Thanks for that, John, much appreciated.

1519
01:30:33,295 --> 01:30:35,895
Speaker 6: If someone else has done that particular job and you

1520
01:30:36,015 --> 01:30:41,855
Speaker 6: happen to have some magic trick for getting staples out

1521
01:30:42,495 --> 01:30:45,415
Speaker 6: of flooring when it's been used to fasten down. You know,

1522
01:30:45,615 --> 01:30:49,375
Speaker 6: it's typically hardboard that gets nailed or fastened down with

1523
01:30:49,455 --> 01:30:53,855
Speaker 6: stapless out of a little pneumatic staple gun down into

1524
01:30:53,895 --> 01:30:57,495
Speaker 6: the flooring. You've got a very thin staple with about

1525
01:30:57,655 --> 01:31:01,055
Speaker 6: four or five millimeters sitting up, maybe not even that much,

1526
01:31:01,055 --> 01:31:04,575
Speaker 6: and probably about fifteen millimeters embedded into the timber.

1527
01:31:06,655 --> 01:31:07,215
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1528
01:31:07,335 --> 01:31:11,335
Speaker 6: Ah, Jeff, I linished the face of my end nipper

1529
01:31:11,415 --> 01:31:14,055
Speaker 6: pliers to get in closer to remove the staples. It

1530
01:31:14,175 --> 01:31:21,175
Speaker 6: works a lot better. That's very nifty. That's very nifty.

1531
01:31:21,615 --> 01:31:24,095
Speaker 6: I'm guessing too that you're a person that probably sharpens

1532
01:31:24,135 --> 01:31:26,655
Speaker 6: your nips, which makes a lot of sense, because they

1533
01:31:26,695 --> 01:31:28,775
Speaker 6: work a whole lot better when you're doing Thai Wise,

1534
01:31:29,455 --> 01:31:32,735
Speaker 6: if they're actually reasonably sharp rather than having bent over

1535
01:31:32,815 --> 01:31:36,855
Speaker 6: bits and pieces. Round headed wirecutters and roll them out,

1536
01:31:36,935 --> 01:31:39,535
Speaker 6: not pull them. Yes, Jeremy, I'm with you on that.

1537
01:31:40,615 --> 01:31:43,175
Speaker 6: Round headed wirecutters. I think that's probably the same thing

1538
01:31:43,215 --> 01:31:44,975
Speaker 6: as what I describe as a pair of nips that

1539
01:31:45,095 --> 01:31:50,775
Speaker 6: are in my apron. Yes, rolling not pulling is the

1540
01:31:50,815 --> 01:31:53,495
Speaker 6: action to be taken there. Thank you very much for that.

1541
01:31:53,695 --> 01:31:55,575
Speaker 6: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will take short

1542
01:31:55,575 --> 01:31:56,055
Speaker 6: break back.

1543
01:31:55,975 --> 01:31:58,735
Speaker 1: In a mow, doing on the house, storting the garden,

1544
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Speaker 1: last fete for a hand the resident builder with Peter

1545
01:32:02,015 --> 01:32:04,855
Speaker 1: wolfcap call oh eight hundred news.

1546
01:32:04,895 --> 01:32:07,535
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1547
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1566
01:33:19,575 --> 01:33:22,615
Speaker 6: Just before we go across a couple of I think

1567
01:33:22,655 --> 01:33:24,255
Speaker 6: some people are getting the wrong end of the stick

1568
01:33:24,335 --> 01:33:27,575
Speaker 6: in terms of the job that Mike was describing. So

1569
01:33:28,335 --> 01:33:31,535
Speaker 6: this is the classic where let's say, you know, there's

1570
01:33:31,615 --> 01:33:34,775
Speaker 6: there's a beautiful native timber floor that's down and then

1571
01:33:34,975 --> 01:33:37,895
Speaker 6: sometime people decided that they wanted to put something else

1572
01:33:37,935 --> 01:33:41,415
Speaker 6: over the top tiles or in this case, corktiles. So

1573
01:33:41,455 --> 01:33:46,015
Speaker 6: in order to prepare for that, you take some basically hardboard,

1574
01:33:46,055 --> 01:33:49,055
Speaker 6: oil tempered hardboard, You put that down, you shoot it

1575
01:33:49,095 --> 01:33:52,015
Speaker 6: full of ten million staples, and then you put your

1576
01:33:54,015 --> 01:33:56,695
Speaker 6: corktiles over the top. So then you decide I want

1577
01:33:56,695 --> 01:33:59,815
Speaker 6: to restore the floor, and you pull up the tiles,

1578
01:33:59,935 --> 01:34:03,095
Speaker 6: the corktiles to discover the hardboard. You get the hardboard

1579
01:34:03,175 --> 01:34:05,375
Speaker 6: up with a spade or a chisel, and you're left

1580
01:34:05,375 --> 01:34:08,935
Speaker 6: with the staples, zillions of them, and how do you

1581
01:34:08,975 --> 01:34:12,095
Speaker 6: get those out? So my go to has just been

1582
01:34:12,255 --> 01:34:15,135
Speaker 6: a set of m nippers or nips and try and

1583
01:34:15,215 --> 01:34:17,615
Speaker 6: just roll them out. Other people have suggested. Now a

1584
01:34:17,655 --> 01:34:19,255
Speaker 6: bunch of people have said, oh I just use a

1585
01:34:19,295 --> 01:34:21,615
Speaker 6: sharp spade. Yeah, but that still doesn't get the staples

1586
01:34:21,615 --> 01:34:27,615
Speaker 6: out right. And an old chisel yeah, again, still just

1587
01:34:27,735 --> 01:34:30,975
Speaker 6: knocks them off. Little angle grinder, same thing. I do

1588
01:34:31,135 --> 01:34:33,695
Speaker 6: like the suggestion about linishing the face of the end

1589
01:34:33,775 --> 01:34:37,975
Speaker 6: nippers to make I guess the bity bit actually closer

1590
01:34:38,015 --> 01:34:40,375
Speaker 6: to the staples. That makes a lot of sense. Someone

1591
01:34:40,375 --> 01:34:43,375
Speaker 6: else has gone, hey, look just go and buy yourself

1592
01:34:44,575 --> 01:34:50,295
Speaker 6: a staple remover, which I've never bothered with but I

1593
01:34:50,375 --> 01:34:52,535
Speaker 6: might now thank you very much for that, like a

1594
01:34:52,535 --> 01:34:56,535
Speaker 6: commercial one, a decent one with a bit of leverage

1595
01:34:56,695 --> 01:34:58,455
Speaker 6: on it, not the one that you might use for

1596
01:34:58,495 --> 01:35:02,095
Speaker 6: taking staples out of your paperwork. Thank you very much

1597
01:35:02,135 --> 01:35:06,295
Speaker 6: for that much appreciate it. And Chris a very good morning.

1598
01:35:07,655 --> 01:35:08,415
Speaker 7: Good morning.

1599
01:35:10,375 --> 01:35:11,815
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, do you hear me?

1600
01:35:11,815 --> 01:35:12,135
Speaker 7: All right?

1601
01:35:12,255 --> 01:35:12,815
Speaker 6: Absolutely?

1602
01:35:13,975 --> 01:35:14,535
Speaker 3: Yeah, great.

1603
01:35:15,135 --> 01:35:17,535
Speaker 20: I've got a question to do a bathrooms of just

1604
01:35:18,175 --> 01:35:22,295
Speaker 20: in the process of renovating one of my bathrooms, and

1605
01:35:22,775 --> 01:35:28,455
Speaker 20: so I've basically got aquiline up now, and I've also

1606
01:35:28,575 --> 01:35:35,415
Speaker 20: going to be using the Hardy's Hardy Groove Penny, so

1607
01:35:35,575 --> 01:35:38,375
Speaker 20: I want that to go over the equiline jobs. So

1608
01:35:38,495 --> 01:35:39,535
Speaker 20: that's fine, isn't it?

1609
01:35:40,455 --> 01:35:45,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, no reason why not. I think you could just

1610
01:35:45,855 --> 01:35:48,175
Speaker 6: use the Hardy groove. You don't need to have a backing.

1611
01:35:49,935 --> 01:35:56,215
Speaker 20: It's also the sounder. Yeah yeah. So typically for a

1612
01:35:56,375 --> 01:35:59,975
Speaker 20: dato height, what would you sit down at? Would it

1613
01:35:59,975 --> 01:36:02,975
Speaker 20: be twelve hundred or a little bit less than that?

1614
01:36:04,295 --> 01:36:06,735
Speaker 6: It kind of comes down to what have you want

1615
01:36:06,775 --> 01:36:09,095
Speaker 6: to do? So is your intention to do to take

1616
01:36:09,135 --> 01:36:12,975
Speaker 6: the Hardy groove, maybe cut the sheep in half and

1617
01:36:13,015 --> 01:36:16,575
Speaker 6: then use that as a data. Yeah, Well then typically

1618
01:36:16,575 --> 01:36:18,935
Speaker 6: you go twelve hundreds a great height because then I

1619
01:36:18,935 --> 01:36:22,935
Speaker 6: don't have to cut the sheet once right, yeah yeah,

1620
01:36:22,975 --> 01:36:25,175
Speaker 6: and then what will you do to finish the top

1621
01:36:25,255 --> 01:36:25,535
Speaker 6: of that?

1622
01:36:27,695 --> 01:36:31,015
Speaker 20: Well, it's you above that now. I want to use

1623
01:36:31,175 --> 01:36:36,215
Speaker 20: the hardy glaze on top of that because it's already

1624
01:36:36,255 --> 01:36:40,255
Speaker 20: a pre finished product. Yes, yeah, so I make sure

1625
01:36:40,295 --> 01:36:44,015
Speaker 20: you thinking about you. I've already got some makesurely planning

1626
01:36:44,055 --> 01:36:49,015
Speaker 20: on using that and then having a molding to break the.

1627
01:36:50,295 --> 01:36:51,135
Speaker 7: Combined together.

1628
01:36:51,175 --> 01:36:54,415
Speaker 20: So I've got this sort of data raio rail going along.

1629
01:36:55,815 --> 01:37:00,055
Speaker 20: So yeah, that's what I've got planned for that, So

1630
01:37:00,095 --> 01:37:01,735
Speaker 20: that's no problem.

1631
01:37:01,815 --> 01:37:05,895
Speaker 6: Then, yeah, look I like the look, and funnily enough,

1632
01:37:05,895 --> 01:37:08,615
Speaker 6: it's exactly what I did in our bathroom twenty odd

1633
01:37:08,655 --> 01:37:11,295
Speaker 6: years ago. Really yeah, yeah, I did exactly the same thing,

1634
01:37:11,295 --> 01:37:15,735
Speaker 6: actually lined it. I happened to use tantalized plywood with

1635
01:37:15,735 --> 01:37:19,775
Speaker 6: a V groove in it and did that to a

1636
01:37:19,895 --> 01:37:23,015
Speaker 6: dado height. And I can still remember that I made

1637
01:37:23,095 --> 01:37:26,295
Speaker 6: my own dato railing. I wanted a particular profile, which

1638
01:37:26,295 --> 01:37:29,575
Speaker 6: I made up using sort of a router and a

1639
01:37:29,615 --> 01:37:30,815
Speaker 6: couple of little moldings.

1640
01:37:31,735 --> 01:37:34,615
Speaker 7: Quite like, yeah, brilliant.

1641
01:37:35,135 --> 01:37:39,895
Speaker 20: And next question also was like I've made things so

1642
01:37:40,015 --> 01:37:44,855
Speaker 20: difficult for myself. So I've made a raise and the

1643
01:37:44,895 --> 01:37:47,255
Speaker 20: wife wanted a star bars, so I thought, well, ok

1644
01:37:47,415 --> 01:37:51,175
Speaker 20: I build a build a sort of a raised floor

1645
01:37:51,255 --> 01:37:54,455
Speaker 20: and where the bath is. Ye, so I've got that

1646
01:37:54,575 --> 01:37:57,255
Speaker 20: all sort of The thing that I need to know

1647
01:37:57,415 --> 01:38:02,295
Speaker 20: now is so I've got the pie flooring down, Yes,

1648
01:38:02,975 --> 01:38:07,935
Speaker 20: what do I use as a substrate above the the

1649
01:38:08,055 --> 01:38:12,455
Speaker 20: floor for when you're putting down, whether it be vinyl

1650
01:38:12,695 --> 01:38:15,655
Speaker 20: or whatever? What sort of substrate do I need?

1651
01:38:16,855 --> 01:38:19,375
Speaker 6: I would have thought that if you've got ply down

1652
01:38:19,495 --> 01:38:22,615
Speaker 6: and you're using vinyl, if it could probably go straight

1653
01:38:22,695 --> 01:38:25,295
Speaker 6: down onto the ply, there'd be no reason to put

1654
01:38:25,295 --> 01:38:28,815
Speaker 6: a substrate underneath it. But talk to the vinyl to

1655
01:38:29,095 --> 01:38:34,855
Speaker 6: whoever's going to do the vinyl, and yeah, that would

1656
01:38:34,895 --> 01:38:37,695
Speaker 6: be fine. Obviously, if you're going to do tiles over

1657
01:38:37,735 --> 01:38:41,055
Speaker 6: the top of plywood, then you need to put down

1658
01:38:41,175 --> 01:38:44,015
Speaker 6: like a fiber cement sheet typically, And then.

1659
01:38:43,935 --> 01:38:46,295
Speaker 20: Do you one Which one would I use?

1660
01:38:46,815 --> 01:38:46,935
Speaker 16: What?

1661
01:38:46,975 --> 01:38:49,655
Speaker 6: If it is available? It's just slat and tile underlay.

1662
01:38:50,015 --> 01:38:51,895
Speaker 6: There's all different brands that are out there.

1663
01:38:52,575 --> 01:38:58,535
Speaker 20: Okay, slate and tile is what it's called. Ye, Okay underlay, yeah, okay,

1664
01:38:58,695 --> 01:39:00,935
Speaker 20: fantastic and what techness would that.

1665
01:39:00,935 --> 01:39:02,975
Speaker 6: Be typically it's about four mil?

1666
01:39:04,455 --> 01:39:05,735
Speaker 7: Okay for mah, great?

1667
01:39:06,695 --> 01:39:12,895
Speaker 20: And is that one where has certainly mentionioned to now.

1668
01:39:13,055 --> 01:39:15,095
Speaker 6: Yes, that's the one. I've got little dots on it.

1669
01:39:15,255 --> 01:39:17,375
Speaker 6: And basically we're the Donnars is where you put your

1670
01:39:17,375 --> 01:39:20,975
Speaker 6: flathead clout and and away you go, and a little

1671
01:39:21,015 --> 01:39:23,615
Speaker 6: bit of adhesive underneath it our help as well.

1672
01:39:24,695 --> 01:39:30,575
Speaker 20: Okay, fantastic, So all my issues. One last question I've

1673
01:39:30,615 --> 01:39:33,455
Speaker 20: got like our little l cove for the shower to

1674
01:39:33,535 --> 01:39:37,535
Speaker 20: go in. Now, the floor is, yes, it's a little

1675
01:39:37,615 --> 01:39:40,775
Speaker 20: bit of level, maybe three or four mil or whatever

1676
01:39:40,855 --> 01:39:44,055
Speaker 20: it is or five, but it's enough to be annoying.

1677
01:39:44,815 --> 01:39:46,015
Speaker 5: Now what so I'd have to.

1678
01:39:46,055 --> 01:39:47,215
Speaker 20: Put a sub straight down?

1679
01:39:49,375 --> 01:39:53,695
Speaker 7: It's yes, it is.

1680
01:39:54,615 --> 01:39:58,215
Speaker 20: It's just your typical PREVC.

1681
01:39:58,015 --> 01:39:58,615
Speaker 5: Or whatever it is.

1682
01:39:58,975 --> 01:40:02,695
Speaker 6: In that area. You could use some floor leveling compound

1683
01:40:03,335 --> 01:40:04,415
Speaker 6: so f l C, which.

1684
01:40:04,415 --> 01:40:05,015
Speaker 7: Is what I've got.

1685
01:40:05,215 --> 01:40:09,495
Speaker 20: I've just bought some so because it's uh so, there

1686
01:40:09,615 --> 01:40:13,415
Speaker 20: is some plot. It's ply about marrowing up to the

1687
01:40:13,495 --> 01:40:18,855
Speaker 20: old T G n V flooring metile flooring. So would

1688
01:40:18,855 --> 01:40:23,735
Speaker 20: I need to put some sort of like Hardley's protuct

1689
01:40:23,815 --> 01:40:26,535
Speaker 20: down like sub straight and then put the f l

1690
01:40:26,695 --> 01:40:27,375
Speaker 20: C over there?

1691
01:40:31,095 --> 01:40:32,695
Speaker 11: Probably No, you.

1692
01:40:32,695 --> 01:40:34,375
Speaker 6: Could just do f l C straight on top of

1693
01:40:34,535 --> 01:40:38,495
Speaker 6: if it's tenalized ply that's there. And because getting your

1694
01:40:38,615 --> 01:40:44,175
Speaker 6: shower tray level is actually really really really important. But yeah,

1695
01:40:44,295 --> 01:40:46,375
Speaker 6: and how are the walls, because if you're going to

1696
01:40:46,495 --> 01:40:50,775
Speaker 6: use a preformed shower tray and wall system, you've got

1697
01:40:50,855 --> 01:40:53,015
Speaker 6: to make sure that the floor is flat and the

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Speaker 6: walls are plumb. Otherwise it gets really tricky to install those.

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, absolutely, I got to run.

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Speaker 3: Good luck with all of that.

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Speaker 6: It sounds like a great project. All the best, Chris,

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01:41:06,775 --> 01:41:12,095
Speaker 6: you take care very quickly. Michael greetings, Yeah, Hi, good morning.

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01:41:12,255 --> 01:41:14,615
Speaker 12: And I've got a home with a rock coat exterior,

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01:41:15,295 --> 01:41:19,575
Speaker 12: and I've had an air conditioning unit removed and the

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01:41:19,855 --> 01:41:22,015
Speaker 12: refrigerant pipes.

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01:41:21,695 --> 01:41:23,655
Speaker 6: Have been disconnected.

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01:41:23,775 --> 01:41:26,615
Speaker 12: Ye, the old one You're disconnected and sort of pushed back.

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01:41:26,695 --> 01:41:31,095
Speaker 12: And so now I've got this. Yeah, can you buy

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01:41:31,455 --> 01:41:34,135
Speaker 12: like a bit of rock coat to cut the shape

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01:41:34,175 --> 01:41:36,095
Speaker 12: to put in the and then plaster or how do

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01:41:36,175 --> 01:41:37,175
Speaker 12: I make a nice in it?

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Speaker 6: I look, I know the guys at rock Cooke because

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Speaker 6: it's Razine Construction System. So what I'd suggest is give

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Speaker 6: them a call tomorrow. They'll have your job on file.

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01:41:47,015 --> 01:41:48,495
Speaker 6: If it was done by them, and it sounds like

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01:41:48,575 --> 01:41:51,535
Speaker 6: it was, and they'll be able to put you in

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01:41:51,615 --> 01:41:54,135
Speaker 6: touch with a contractor get someone to come out do

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Speaker 6: a proper job of it to ensure weather tightness. So

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01:41:57,615 --> 01:42:00,615
Speaker 6: just give the team at Razine Construction a call in

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01:42:00,695 --> 01:42:02,735
Speaker 6: the morning and they'll they'll put you in touch with

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01:42:02,815 --> 01:42:03,695
Speaker 6: a contractor to do it.

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Speaker 12: In your experience, is it like is it always going

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01:42:07,375 --> 01:42:08,255
Speaker 12: to look like a patch?

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Speaker 6: And you know what you might find is that you

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01:42:11,055 --> 01:42:13,335
Speaker 6: might need to repaint a section of the wall right

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01:42:13,455 --> 01:42:16,375
Speaker 6: to blend it in eventually. But no, the patching can

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01:42:16,455 --> 01:42:19,215
Speaker 6: be done, you know if professional comes and does it,

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01:42:19,295 --> 01:42:22,255
Speaker 6: and that's the guys at Razen Construction. Get them to

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01:42:22,295 --> 01:42:25,375
Speaker 6: do it, get it done properly. You'll have no issues

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01:42:25,415 --> 01:42:27,455
Speaker 6: with leaking and moisture and gress and all the rest

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01:42:27,455 --> 01:42:30,055
Speaker 6: of it, and the patch will be really really top

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01:42:30,135 --> 01:42:33,655
Speaker 6: notch perfect, all the very best. Nice to talk to you,

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Speaker 6: Take care righty Oh we're on time, which is kind

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01:42:37,135 --> 01:42:41,855
Speaker 6: of remarkable even actually my producer today was saying, your

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01:42:41,935 --> 01:42:44,855
Speaker 6: timing is great today, Like normally it's a mad panic

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Speaker 6: to get all the ads and then all the risk.

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01:42:46,295 --> 01:42:48,535
Speaker 6: I don't know what's happened. Maybe it's daylight saving. But

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Speaker 6: I do know what is about to happen, which is

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01:42:51,095 --> 01:42:54,575
Speaker 6: utter chaos because Rod's here and this is going to

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01:42:54,575 --> 01:42:56,855
Speaker 6: be great fun. So Rids in the studio. If you'd

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01:42:56,975 --> 01:42:58,615
Speaker 6: like to talk to Rud, give us a call now, oh,

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Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fens, or wondering

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Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Peter Wolfcamp

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