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Speaker 1: On the huddle tonight, Tris Shurson, Shirson, Willis pr good evening,

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Speaker 1: good evening, Bryan and Mark Sainsbury Sainso coming from Wellington.

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Speaker 1: How are you, oh says hello, Hello, Yes, good to

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Speaker 1: have you on things. Yeah, good thing, good to be here. Hey.

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Speaker 1: So everyone working in Wellington, well half the people working

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Speaker 1: Wellngton apparently not there on merrit? What do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: Look, that's I tell you. I was staggered by that

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Speaker 2: as well. I can see why old Sir Brian was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, some of the stuff you're going to expect.

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Speaker 2: No one's ever happy about their job. But that thing

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Speaker 2: of looking around whether people are hard on merit is worrying.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting if you look around your office, what do

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Speaker 2: you reckon? That? The centa Jo'd be well, what do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know what they were, what

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Speaker 1: they were hired on, but it certainly wasn't merit. No,

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Speaker 1: they're all pretty capable. Yeah, yeah, it's a hard question

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Speaker 1: while they're looking at me.

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Speaker 3: I mean, back in the day when I worked with

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Speaker 3: Sainzo and the TV and ZED the illustrious TV and

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Speaker 3: Z newsroom in Wellington and Petticoat house. I remember giving

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Speaker 3: a number of colleagues the side eye day to day

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Speaker 3: on whether they were there on mirror marrit probably including

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Speaker 3: you Saints.

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Speaker 2: So somedays, what do you mean some days every day

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Speaker 2: you can.

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Speaker 1: Hey the beneficiaries and this is not all beneficiaries, this

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Speaker 1: is job seeker beneficiaries in Tasman Nelson. I thought, great this,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do this on the show today the

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Speaker 1: producer said it was a story that was coming out

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Speaker 1: and this is about getting job seeker beneficiaries doing the

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Speaker 1: clean up.

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Speaker 3: Great idea that this is absolutely fantastic. Look, don't forget

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Speaker 3: this is it's a it's an invitation to take part.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 3: It's not compulsory. Plus you get paid on top of

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Speaker 3: your benefit, so you're not it's not forced labor out there.

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Speaker 3: Plus the other thing I would think about if I

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Speaker 3: were a job seeker is that you're going out into

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Speaker 3: the community. A lot of the people who will be

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Speaker 3: employing you are farmers and other people with businesses in

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Speaker 3: the community doing these cleanups. So it's also a great

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Speaker 3: way to get out and meet prospective employers and get

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Speaker 3: some more skills to put on your CV.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic totally. But then we spoke to

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Speaker 1: the MSD guys, see how many applicants you had out

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Speaker 1: of the six hundred jobs seeker beneficiaries in the region,

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Speaker 1: they've had six, saying.

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Speaker 2: The one percent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, I mean, would you like fresh?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea, isn't it right? I

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Speaker 2: mean you sort of think. Yet you've got people who

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Speaker 2: are looking to it, and quite often people are out

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Speaker 2: of work. Me we have this view that Evan's listless

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Speaker 2: and sitting around. People want to be doing something, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it offer all sorts of things that has Chris said,

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Speaker 2: it also exposed them to other people. You might get

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Speaker 2: job offers or opportunities and everything like that. The only

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Speaker 2: thing I wonder about is I that you sold you

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Speaker 2: answer my question as to how many people were available,

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Speaker 2: And it's just the logistics of you know, we're going

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Speaker 2: to put them off, they're going out to other areas

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Speaker 2: of you know where they're going to stay. But I

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Speaker 2: think if you can if you can utilize, and it's

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Speaker 2: win win for everyone. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I agree. They did say that they would help with

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Speaker 1: transport and all that kind of stuff, so you know,

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Speaker 1: do a van and pick them up whatever.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's great, and that's often a big barrier, right,

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Speaker 3: people either haven't got their driver's license or right at

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Speaker 3: the moment they can't afford the petrol to get out there.

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Speaker 3: But before we cast dispersions on those six hundred job seekers,

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Speaker 3: there's a couple of things. I'd say One is number

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Speaker 3: one is probably early days and number two how effective

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Speaker 3: is the communication out from MSD to all of these people.

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Speaker 3: We don't know how many of them have actually been

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Speaker 1: All right, well that's reasonable, My aspersions were casting quite wide.

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Speaker 3: Well, sorry to burst your bubble.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, the big story today undoubtedly you know, the

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Speaker 1: oca's gone nowhere, but it's the mower. We'll get reaction

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Speaker 1: British on that. Next tris Shehurson Shurson Willis PR and

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Speaker 1: Mark sains Be broadcaster on the huddle Tonight's right. The

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Speaker 1: more they are saying they're going to bring it, well,

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Speaker 1: they'll bring back a version of the moer through via

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Speaker 1: a cousin in South America, so it won't be an

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Speaker 1: exact replica, but they are aiming to de extinct this

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Speaker 1: animal that, when extinct six hundred years ago, used to

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Speaker 1: roam around particularly the South Island. Quite a big thing there.

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Speaker 1: Trisha on board.

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Speaker 3: I think the story is great, but more for the

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Speaker 3: fact that the best book I have read this year,

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Speaker 3: and I've just finished it is called The Life and

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Speaker 3: Death of New Zealand's legendary bird, the More, by Quinn Brenson.

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Speaker 3: It is a must read if you're into New Zealand history.

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Speaker 3: I had never heard of it, picked it up this year.

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Speaker 3: It was out in twenty thirteen and was the science

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Speaker 3: book of the year. And what that book actually told

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Speaker 3: me is number one as New Zealand. As we know

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Speaker 3: very little about the More, but they were the most

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Speaker 3: unusual and unique family of birds that ever lived. Yes,

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Speaker 3: their ancestor came from South America and the kiwis flew

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Speaker 3: over from Ossie. But the interesting thing about trying to

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Speaker 3: bring back the More is not only are they extinct,

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Speaker 3: but their habitat is extinct. So where the most moer

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Speaker 3: bones have been found, and there were the highest populations,

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Speaker 3: was in central Otago. We think of that as a

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Speaker 3: wasteland and a big rocky moonscape, you know when you

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Speaker 3: drive through those amazing places. Actually it was the site

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Speaker 3: of some of New Zealand's most amazing forests and that

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Speaker 3: was the home of the More. But what happened was

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Speaker 3: the hunters of the More literally smoked them out by

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Speaker 3: burning those forests. So if we bring back the More,

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Speaker 3: we haven't. We haven't got the forests for them. But

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Speaker 3: I would say to anyone who's interested in this, get

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Speaker 3: hold get a hold of that book. It's absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Mark, what's your thoughts on bringing back the More?

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Speaker 2: Well? The Dinornus robustus, of course, I'm some reminded was

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Speaker 2: a New Zealand first and the act MP back at

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Speaker 2: the turn of the century called Jerry Yekov, and he

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Speaker 2: was talking about farming Kiwi because he said, if you

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Speaker 2: want to want any species to survive, turn them into

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Speaker 2: a money spinner. So the logical extension of that would

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Speaker 2: be is that you bring back the More, you farm

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Speaker 2: them and then you have the sort of sight the

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Speaker 2: world's biggest sort of KFC's I look at it. It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: We love these stories, don't we, This idea of somehow

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Speaker 2: bringing these back, and it's been tried before. I went

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Speaker 2: on a school trip to the West Coast when I

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Speaker 2: was like, you know, primary school, and I met this

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Speaker 2: guy down there I had a pair of sandals with

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Speaker 2: these homemade mower's feet on them, and he used to

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Speaker 2: go walking around in the bush. And the trick to

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Speaker 2: it was he got big heaps of guano and sort

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Speaker 2: of made giant turds basically and less than tracks. And

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Speaker 2: the Japanese sent out a whole film crew to come

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Speaker 2: back and try and find this thing. So it's look,

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Speaker 2: it's it's tent. It's been tantalizing. We all still hear stories.

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Speaker 2: Could they still be in Fiordland? But the science is

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Speaker 2: just getting so advanced. I look it. I think it's

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Speaker 3: Here's a fun fact for you. The name dinornis for

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Speaker 3: the more actually came from the same root names for

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Speaker 3: the dinosaur. Because the scientist in Victorian England, a guy

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Speaker 3: called Richard Owen, who really became the father of the

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Speaker 3: more and more discovery, he was working on the dinosaur

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Speaker 3: discoveries at the same time, and and so that's where

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Speaker 3: the name came from.

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Speaker 2: You were full of it tonight, Trechu.

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Speaker 3: I tell you, I just my cup runneth.

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Speaker 1: Over with you belong over on aaron Z.

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Speaker 3: Also the first learning out of this book, and I've

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Speaker 3: always pronounced this incorrectly, but the pronounce it more as

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Speaker 3: an I want more, not maa as in the lawn moower.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, although it is the South Island version, so

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Speaker 1: you might get more of a moa than more. Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's a fascinating thing. In the Hearst eagle as well,

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Speaker 1: three meter wingspan, this was its prese so when the

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Speaker 1: mole went that, when the moor went, the hast eagle

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Speaker 1: went to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is exactly right. That that is when the

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Speaker 3: hast eagle had nothing to feed on, and in fact,

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Speaker 3: the Harst eagle you could think of that in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Remember we had no mammalian predators, so no lions and tigers.

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Speaker 3: The hast eagle was our equivalent. That was at the

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Speaker 3: top of the Apex predator.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, Tritia, you'll have to do your own podcast.

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Speaker 3: I reckon Ah, we'll get a find old Quinn Brinson

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Speaker 3: because honestly, people who can write history like that that

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Speaker 3: it is a fantastic story. I think it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Tri Huson and Mark Sainsbury on the Huddle tonight. Thanks

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