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Speaker 1: Kiyota.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and from the team behind the front

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Speaker 2: page the New Zealand Herald's daily news podcast, This is.

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Speaker 1: Accused the polking Horn Trial.

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Speaker 2: Over six weeks in conjunction with our usual daily episodes,

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Speaker 2: we'll be bringing you regular coverage as one of the

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Speaker 2: most high profile trials of the year makes its way

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Speaker 2: through the High Court at Auckland. A warning, this podcast

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Speaker 2: contains disturbing content. Week five in the trial of Philip

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Speaker 2: Polkinghorn has kicked off with more on what was found

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Speaker 2: on the couple's tech, a hint that Hannah found a

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Speaker 2: pea pipe months before her death, and what exactly is

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Speaker 2: a girlfriend experience and a message drafted on the morning

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Speaker 2: of Pauline Hannah's death. The former auckland Ie surgeon is

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Speaker 2: accused of murdering his wife, who was found dead on

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Speaker 2: April fifth, twenty twenty one. He maintains she took her

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Speaker 2: own life. Day twenties saw Detective Andrew Reeves back on

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Speaker 2: the stand. You'll remember he was responsible for examining their

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Speaker 2: mobile phones. He dives into a phone associated with Pauline Hannah.

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Speaker 2: He went through four hundred and sixteen searches extracted from

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Speaker 2: the phone over the one hundred.

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Speaker 3: And twenty one day period.

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Speaker 4: I obviously searched for terms of reference or relevance, and

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Speaker 4: I could not find any searches for the terms self harm, suicide, hanging, tying, knots,

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Speaker 4: or depression. In fact, none of the searches on the

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Speaker 4: phone related to suicide.

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Speaker 2: She also searched for apartments for sale in Napier. Earlier

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Speaker 2: the trial heard some of her friends and family had

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Speaker 2: her to leave Polkinghorn and return to the Hawk's Bay.

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Speaker 2: Her friends, the Reddons, made that recommendation after she revealed

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Speaker 2: her husband had placed his hands on her neck. On

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Speaker 2: the twenty fourth of December twenty twenty. She searched pea pipe,

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Speaker 2: what does pea look like? And what sensation does.

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Speaker 1: Pe give you?

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Speaker 2: Reeves found about thirty four thousand images and more than

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Speaker 2: one thousand videos on her iPhone Yes.

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Speaker 4: The general theme of those images included fashion, beauty products,

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Speaker 4: plastic surgery, celebrities, presentations such as business presentations, magazines and

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Speaker 5: And were there any images of pornography or lucy on

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Speaker 4: No, there were no images found of any pornography or

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Speaker 4: nudity on the phone.

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Speaker 2: Twenty percent of the images were taken by the camera.

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Speaker 2: They included mainly photos of family, her grandchild, polking horn

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Speaker 2: and holidays. Dicky refers the detective to a couple of

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Speaker 2: images in particular relating to the searches on Christmas Eve

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty regarding meth pipe and the appearance of the drug.

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Speaker 3: On the twenty fifth of December.

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Speaker 4: The day after, on Christmas Day, photos were taken with

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Speaker 4: fifth of December twenty twenty. There was a photograph taken

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Speaker 4: on page forty nine of a what looks like a

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Speaker 4: shopping bag which had two used class pipes in it.

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Speaker 4: And these are the same types of popes commonly used

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Speaker 6: These are photographs taken by the fun correct.

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Speaker 2: Reeves moves on to the videos. There were mainly of

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Speaker 2: family events, her grandchildren, and work related. He notes the

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Speaker 2: messages were mainly work related as well. In December twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: there were texts to the mental health crisis team. On

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Speaker 2: April third, twenty twenty one, she sent Philip's Sunna text

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Speaker 2: asking him to join them for dinner on Monday April fifth.

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Speaker 2: On April fourth, the night before she was found dead,

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Speaker 2: She sent her colleague Sharon Alabastro, a message thanking her

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Speaker 2: up with her. The phone records when the phone was

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Speaker 4: The device was plugged into charge at ten forty seven

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Speaker 4: the phone was an orientation change at ten forty seven

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Speaker 6: What does that mean? Just a movement of the screen.

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Speaker 3: It means to move when I the screen.

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Speaker 4: The phone could have been plugged in and placed down

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Speaker 2: Next, Reeves looks into the WhatsApp messaging between Polkinghorn and

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Speaker 2: Madison Ashton on the eighth of December twenty twenty The

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Speaker 2: pair exchange messages appearing like Polkinghorn abandoning plans to have

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Speaker 1: They speak about Ashton's.

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Speaker 2: Cook Chalet twenty five days after Hannah's death. Messages indicate

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Speaker 2: they've known each other since twenty fifteen. There was an

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Speaker 2: email document showing a payment of eight hundred dollars and

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Speaker 2: an appointment for a one hour girlfriend experience. I Messages

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Speaker 2: between Ashton and Polkinghorn start April seventeen, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: There are one hundred and eighty three pages of them.

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Speaker 2: They include naked photos of Ashton.

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Speaker 3: Yes, doctor Polkin.

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Speaker 4: One response to the naked images saying, how can you

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Speaker 3: You are sensational.

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Speaker 2: The messages continue daily, just like they did on the

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp before Polkinghorn's phone was confiscated by police. On April

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Speaker 2: twenty third. Ashton asks whether there was any words on

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Speaker 2: started on your pr offensive yet. Then they're organizing their

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Speaker 2: rendezvous in Queenstown.

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Speaker 4: Shortly after that, Miss Eshton replies with if you passed away,

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Speaker 4: Professor Pokinhorn replies to miss Ashton, saying, Darling, you and

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Speaker 4: I aren't going anywhere.

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Speaker 3: We are going to last one hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Onto the twenty fifth when there's evidence of a call

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Speaker 2: and then Ashton sends Polkinghorn a link to a real

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Speaker 2: estate website. The website relates to a property in New

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Speaker 2: South Wales. Polkinghorn says, interesting, something to talk about on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: They move on to talking about the Queenstown Chalet get away.

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Speaker 3: If we are.

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Speaker 4: Over the lodge, Kenza back to chrish Shirt Saturday afternoon

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Speaker 4: dinner there and then Sunday night might be more leisurely.

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Speaker 4: The flight back for you, well, you have to be

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Speaker 4: at airport a minimum of two hours for all dbs.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we can play it by year. Is there anything

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Speaker 4: Do you fancy buddy jumping one tours, skiing a glacier?

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Speaker 3: Well, sorry, you aren't. The strip.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be all about us. Get used to it.

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Speaker 4: Scary though, I hope we don't fuck it up xx.

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Speaker 6: That's twenty six April nineteen. I think, PM, yeah, correct.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Ashton Wriot's fourteen months is a long time in

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Speaker 2: any relationship not to be at each other's side, and.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Pokin Won replies, I am not good arguing, so

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Speaker 3: I agree. It's been a.

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Speaker 4: Long time we have been together and will be some transition.

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Speaker 4: We both will have changed, so I think we should

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Speaker 4: just see how it goes with no big ambitions. If

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Speaker 4: we gewel, great, but if it's too hard, while that's life.

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Speaker 4: I am really dying to see you all the same

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Speaker 4: and just talk. I am not going to change your

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Speaker 4: life or attempt to. And whilst I have plans for

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Speaker 4: the future, I am sure you do too. There may

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Speaker 4: be commonality or maybe not. I have missed having dinner

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Speaker 4: with you and talking as much, but that's all I

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Speaker 4: will say, and then good night, good night. That is

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Speaker 4: at ten oh seven pm on the twenty sixth, Miss

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Speaker 4: Ashton replies, Okay, sounds like you're breaking up with me?

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Speaker 3: What the fuck?

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Speaker 4: Doctor Polkinghorn says fuck no, christ never, I am not

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Speaker 3: I haven't come this far to walk away.

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Speaker 1: The messages end on April twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: Other messages the third of January twenty nineteen, for example,

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Speaker 4: Miss Ashton replies absolutely, send me the dates and I'll

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Speaker 4: add to the calendar. Her reply is nine forty six

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Speaker 4: blogging one says, fuck, this is a big step meeting

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Speaker 4: my family and my sister is my closest anyway, talk

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Speaker 4: to my darling tonight. But she is really good and

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Speaker 4: I am so happy she is going to Bali. She

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Speaker 2: to the front page The Herald's daily news podcast wherever

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Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. On Cross Examination, Ron Mansfield runs

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Speaker 2: Detective Reeves through how a phone is cloned, what software

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Speaker 2: is used, and when Polkinghorn's mobile phone was seized. It

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Speaker 2: was the day after Hannah's funeral. He also asks Reeves

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Speaker 5: A previous port cases before The Australian in courts.

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Speaker 3: I did see some articles relating to that.

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Speaker 6: Were there articles relating to.

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Speaker 5: Miss Ashton speaking a financial compensation from men who she

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Speaker 6: She was in a relationship of a de facto.

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Speaker 3: Kind, I believe. I saw one article like that, yes, but.

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Speaker 5: The one challenging the estate of a former client for funds.

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Speaker 3: Do you have the client's name?

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Speaker 2: regarding the police listening to communications between Polkinghorn and a

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Speaker 5: So for a period in time, and we'll have that

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Speaker 5: were intercepting his telephone communications with various people in a

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Speaker 2: So they run through some of Ashton's online presence under

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Speaker 2: her stage name of Christine McQueen. Mansfield points out to

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Speaker 5: Those communications were ongoing for way of.

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Speaker 6: A professional relationship correct, correct.

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Speaker 5: Now, presumably some of those other men with whom she

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Speaker 5: for many years.

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Speaker 6: Well, yep, did you see the evidence as to that.

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Speaker 3: Some of the messaging did go back quite a few years.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and it would have been clear to you in

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Speaker 5: far as there were more communications between them beyond simply

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Speaker 5: organizing an hour, four hours or a day.

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Speaker 6: For the provision of sexual services.

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Speaker 5: So there was more sharing of information than simply making

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Speaker 5: a bookking.

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Speaker 3: Some of the clients were more friendly.

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Speaker 5: but certainly you would have seen the communications where she

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Speaker 5: both mister and Missus Polkinghorn were contracting the services of

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Speaker 3: That's what the booking told me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Mansfield reads out an email from Christine McQueen to Philip.

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Speaker 5: The only way we get a date on this is

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, it's.

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Speaker 5: The thirteenth of November twenty sixteen at four forty three,

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Speaker 5: email from Christine McQueen to Philip Popinghorn. Hi, Philip, my

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Speaker 6: I We'll just have to make sure both men are free.

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Speaker 5: So can I confirm Philip that it will be yourself,

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Speaker 5: Paul and Christine and the two gentlemen for two to

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Speaker 6: Sounds like an amazing time, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I will be in touch once we've worked out final details.

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Speaker 5: Take Kia Sophie, which I understand to be miss Eshton's PA.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Miss Ashton had numerous pos I don't I didn't know

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Speaker 5: It appears that she was involved in making, or at

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Speaker 3: Correct. Correct?

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Speaker 6: Thank you can I produce.

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Speaker 2: That jah Mansfield produces a summary of WhatsApp messages from

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Speaker 2: January first to April fourth, twenty twenty one. Earlier, we

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Speaker 2: heard Reeves couldn't see anything before April fifth on Polkinghorn's phone,

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Speaker 2: but it appears they were still on Ashton's phone. They

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Speaker 2: number of messages. There were sixty eight messages from Polkinghorn

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Speaker 2: and one hundred and twenty two from Ashton. Reef says

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Speaker 2: they also used I message email and SMS Mansfield asks

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Speaker 2: about whether Reeves can tell between Ashton's marketing images to

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Speaker 2: clients should send similar photos to her other long standing clients.

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Speaker 5: And we see that there's no response to that message,

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Speaker 5: no response from doctor Polkinghorn. And then we see that

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Speaker 5: there are further messages that she has sent on the

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Speaker 5: that's three messages no response.

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Speaker 1: Mansfield says.

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Speaker 2: Polking Horn doesn't reply until April seventh, so twenty.

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Speaker 5: Messages shout out by MS Eshton without her response. By

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Speaker 3: No response on what tip No.

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Speaker 2: While some people distanced themselves from Polkinghorn after it came

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Speaker 2: of suspect. Mansfield says Ashton amped it up her messages

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Speaker 2: become more regular. Mansfield says there were other men Ashton

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Speaker 2: was communicating with in a similar manner, saying it's part

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Speaker 2: of the marketing, isn't.

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Speaker 1: It part of the service she's providing.

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Speaker 2: Reeves says from what he saw, he didn't see her

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Speaker 2: saying I love you as much to other men. Within

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Speaker 2: the messages, Ashton gives the name of an Australian lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Then there's more talk of other lawyers. Mansfield asked about

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Speaker 2: images of k nots Reeve's earlier said were found on

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Speaker 2: one of Polkinghorn's hard drives. The screenshot photo was taken

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Speaker 2: on the first of January twenty twelve and.

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Speaker 6: Embedded in the meta data.

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Speaker 5: Does it read the URL for the particular site as softbakes,

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Speaker 5: albums correct, AU albums correct correct. So those knots to

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Speaker 5: what you decided might be relevant and told us about

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Speaker 5: We're not only captured in twenty twelve, but they related

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Speaker 2: Correct are you aware Rings Beach is a good spot

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Speaker 2: for fishing, Mansfield asks, yes, says Reeves. Day twenty one

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Speaker 2: saw Detective Reeves's cross examination continue. Ron Mansfield questioned him

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Speaker 2: more about what he analyzed from Hannah's device, drilling the

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Speaker 2: point home she sends emails at all hours and she

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Speaker 2: was working a lot before her death. Reeves earlier mentioned

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Speaker 2: he looked at the phone's movements and used that to

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Speaker 5: In your evidence yesterday, on reviewing the reports, a pattern

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Speaker 6: Is seen correct?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 5: Well, when you look at the emails, just the emails

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Speaker 5: she's sending out.

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Speaker 6: That's not correct at all, is it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: In fact, we can see that she is doing the

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Speaker 5: simply looking at the days between twenty eight March through

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Speaker 5: to the fourth of vapor correct. Correct, But do you

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Speaker 5: not think it leaves a misleading, leading impression that you're

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Speaker 5: talking about a pattern of waking up between four point

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Speaker 5: fifty two am and seven thirty nine am. When you

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Speaker 3: As I said before, I didn't review the emails in detail.

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Speaker 4: I looked at the device movements and created that pattern

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Speaker 2: Mansfield questioned why Reeves did seven plus formal written statements

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Speaker 2: but didn't review her work related email history or the

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Speaker 4: I did review the messages. I looked at them. I

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Speaker 4: didn't create a detailed report on it.

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Speaker 5: Bye Was that because the messages didn't support the police.

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Speaker 4: Narrative as I said, the messages were normal day to

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Speaker 5: Or did those messages reveal a working, loving relationship between

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Speaker 5: the two of them.

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Speaker 2: Mansfield produces another booklet of messages beginning twenty first of

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Speaker 2: and forth between the couple, lots of ex's darlings and

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Speaker 2: heart emojis. Further messages show the pair checking in on

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Speaker 1: Reeves agrees, I can sorry.

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Speaker 3: Could I just make a query.

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Speaker 4: I see this was downloaded on something called digit DNA.

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Speaker 4: In terms of the timings, the timings end with AEDT.

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Speaker 3: What time zone is that.

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Speaker 6: I'll come back to you on that and confumed, thank you.

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Speaker 5: It's been downloaded by doctor Polkinghorn's IT expert. From the

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Speaker 5: material disclosed he's based in Australia, so I understand that's

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Speaker 6: An hour because I think they're an hour behind.

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Speaker 3: Is he based in Sydney or Melbourne?

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Speaker 1: Justice Lang interjecs.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Australian Eastern daylight time, so I would

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Speaker 2: have thought it's probably two hours. Mansfield says he's not

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Speaker 2: relying on these for the time, but the contents. He

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Speaker 2: goes on to ask Reeves about the images of a

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Speaker 2: pea pipe found in Hannah's phone taken on Christmas Day

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Mansfield asks about another image found on a

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Speaker 2: USB from the polking Horn home, also of a pipe

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Speaker 2: with the words sweet Puff on the side. You can

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Speaker 2: purchase them on websites and they're also sold in Australian stores.

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Speaker 2: By April sixth, twenty twenty one, police had seized devices

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Speaker 2: and if he was to purchase another one, it makes

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Speaker 2: sense to transfer his iCloud storage. This refers to Polkinghorn's

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Speaker 2: Google search of how to do that. Mansfield references the

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Speaker 2: Duck duck go web searches of leg edema after strangulation.

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Speaker 2: There were other searches on this browser, Mansfield says, so.

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Speaker 5: He knows at the time of making these searches, based

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Speaker 5: wife's death as a suspicious.

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Speaker 6: Death, and he is viewed as a potential suspect. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 6: In strangulation, that would include hanging, wouldn't.

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Speaker 7: It well speak, I'll put it different.

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Speaker 6: So strangulation is a very general term. Correct.

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Speaker 4: The reason this search true My attention is because of

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Speaker 3: So that's why I found it to be noteworthy.

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Speaker 5: But if he was a suspect for his wife's death,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if this is what it was at

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Speaker 6: Logically that might follow might not.

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Speaker 3: At the time, I think that.

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Speaker 4: Investigation was just investigating whether it was hanging or not.

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Speaker 2: Mansfield moves on to Polkinghorn's phone usage and questions around

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Speaker 2: why he may have had airplane mode on. Mansfield says

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Speaker 2: being disturbed by communications onto Hannah's devices and the search

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Speaker 2: for asphyxia. Reeves believes it's in relation to a French novelist,

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Speaker 2: as well. Mansfield refers to a phone call Hannah made

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Speaker 2: to Polkinghorn's mother Mary on April third, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: They spoke for about thirteen minutes and forty two seconds.

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Speaker 2: It's something Polkinghorn mentioned in his police interview. He produces

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Speaker 2: Mansfield goes through what apparently happens when someone uses I message.

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Speaker 2: When you start typing, the app connects and logs activity

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Speaker 5: I've relied on what I'm told by an it switch,

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Speaker 5: so we're both in the same position. But I'm told

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Speaker 6: Are you able to confirm.

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Speaker 7: It or not?

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Speaker 4: I can't confirm it, and I also wouldn't be able

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Speaker 2: A few minutes later, another log, Hannah's phone starts drafting

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Speaker 2: a message to another number, her friend's daughter, who she

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