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Speaker 1: Let's check in with politics now. It is fourteen minutes

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Speaker 1: away from five news talks. He'd be very Soper, Senior

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Speaker 1: political correspondence with us in Wellington today. Get a berry,

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Speaker 1: a Ryan.

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Speaker 2: I thought i'd better come down to the capital to

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Speaker 2: see what the air was like following the non decision

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Speaker 2: on the fairies yesterday. And I'll tell you what, you

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Speaker 2: could cut the air with a knife. I think. I

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Speaker 2: don't think I've seen the challenge that this coalition has

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Speaker 2: faced as big as this one. They're all talking at

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Speaker 2: cross purposes. I mean Winston Peters, the new Minister of Rail,

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Speaker 2: he's been stressing the mess that privatization in the past

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Speaker 2: led New Zealand Rail. To David Seymour, he's been hailing

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Speaker 2: the partial privatization. He says up to forty nine percent

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Speaker 2: should be flogged off to private enterprise. You'll remember, of course, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: the name Ed Burkert, won't you.

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Speaker 1: He was the previous Minister of Railways.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't the minister? He was the owner of Wisconsin Rail

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Speaker 2: that came in and bought New Zealand Rail in nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three.

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Speaker 1: And oh come on, Barry, I was barely born at

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Speaker 1: that point.

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Speaker 2: Exactly and then to know exactly. That's that's why I

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Speaker 2: knew it was a very unfair test. But look ed

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Speaker 2: burkertt that was the last time it was privatized. Was

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Speaker 2: brought back by the government because it was an absolute debarcle.

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Speaker 2: And really interestingly, if you see the exchanges between Winston

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Speaker 2: Peters and David Seymour at the moment he was being

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Speaker 2: interviewed today, Winston Peters was he said, you're talking to

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Speaker 2: the minister in charge, not the minister who was not

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Speaker 2: in charge. And he said of Seymour, he's wrong with

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Speaker 2: the figures he used, he's wrong on the question of

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Speaker 2: privatization and he's wrong on the question of what it's

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Speaker 2: going to cost. Now, the new Minister of Rail he

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Speaker 2: was caught, i've got to say, flat footed in Parliament

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Speaker 2: this afternoon when he was asked to respond to what

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister had been telling the media and live

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Speaker 2: in today his Labour's TAGI utakri to Winston Peters in

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Speaker 2: the House this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Is the Prime Minister correct when he said today? But

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Speaker 3: for right now we've got a good solution and if

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Speaker 3: we can improve on it, great and if not we

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Speaker 3: move forward with that solution.

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Speaker 4: If not, why not?

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Speaker 5: Well again, I have to confess that I did not

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Speaker 5: hear the Prime ministers say that, and until I do,

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Speaker 5: I will not confirm what I should make of it,

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Speaker 5: other than to say the Prime Minister is in the

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Speaker 5: best possible space at this point in time because he

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Speaker 5: has got the main solution, a united government that is

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Speaker 5: setting out to correct a grievous fiscal wrong.

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Speaker 3: Has Cabinet already confirmed a preferred replacement option for the

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Speaker 3: Cookstrait fairies? If so, what is it?

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Speaker 2: The answer that question is no, Yeah, I think they

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Speaker 2: were on the verge of announcing it yesterday. They had

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Speaker 2: a plan in place, and our old mate Winston came

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Speaker 2: and pulled the plug and said, look, I can get

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Speaker 2: a better deal than that. I can get a roll on,

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Speaker 2: roll off fairies for rail and that's what he's going after.

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Speaker 2: So i'll tell you what. This is going to be

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Speaker 2: the biggest test that Winston Peters has faced in this government.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot of the balls and has court

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Speaker 1: really isn't it? The multi Party? What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: The Multi Party advocating against police action on the gangs.

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Speaker 2: But it's sort of their rais on detra defending gangs

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Speaker 2: at the moment that young woman who made the harker

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Speaker 2: it might be Clark. She was asking the Minister of

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Speaker 2: Police today if he accepted the findings of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Police that there was essentially structural racism in the force. Well.

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Speaker 2: Casey Costello was standing in for Mark Mitchell today and

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Speaker 2: she said that the rhetoric being used about the police

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Speaker 2: by the Maldi party when it comes to gangs is

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Speaker 2: just unacceptable.

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Speaker 4: Here's Costello, and it is a disservice to them to

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Speaker 4: have a narrative that suggests our police are anything but

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Speaker 4: the consummate professionals. They are the fourteen percent of New

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Speaker 4: Zealand police that are themselves Mary. What is ignored in

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Speaker 4: this narrative is the sixty percent of victims who are

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Speaker 4: themselves Mary. Does he think that it is appropriate for

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Speaker 4: armed police to barricade the road and intimidate and harassed

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Speaker 4: Barno attending the tonguey of the loved one to enforce

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Speaker 4: the gang patch back. I think that is a very

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Speaker 4: wrong and flawed reflection of the response of police at

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Speaker 4: Marti Tungy.

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Speaker 2: So the old gangs have certainly got a voice in

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Speaker 2: Parliament at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, what about hairdresses? Some regulations is going to be

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Speaker 1: looking at at their operations.

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Speaker 2: What's that about, Well, you know it's the Minister of

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Speaker 2: Regulation of course, or removing it. David Seymour, he's on

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Speaker 2: the wall path now. He reckons that hairdressers are facing

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Speaker 2: unnecessary regulations. And I think you I wouldn't know this

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Speaker 2: because I don't go, but you would. You know. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you've had a tipple tonsorial tipple in the in

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Speaker 2: the barbershop or the hairdresser, Ryan from time to time. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's against regulations. We're not allowed to be offered a

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Speaker 2: drink by a hairdresser. Also, dogs are prohibited other than

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Speaker 2: guy dogs. And so he's wanting to bring, he says,

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Speaker 2: hairdressing into the twenty first century, and he's going to

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Speaker 2: be removing regulations under a review that's expected to be

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Speaker 2: completed in the first quarter of next year.

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Speaker 1: Goodness, how did they used to cut hair back in

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Speaker 1: the day when you last went Berry? I can't remember, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: and Candasan's very quickly find and Candasan's coming here basically

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Speaker 1: because the Aussie is banned because they didn't like what

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Speaker 1: she said. And we banded it because they had banned her,

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Speaker 1: and now we've unbanded her.

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Speaker 2: You've absolutely got it in one. I just think New

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Speaker 2: z Yiland has shown that it can stand on its own.

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Speaker 2: If people don't like Candice Owns, don't go and listen

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Speaker 2: to her. But you know, the freedom of speech Union,

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Speaker 2: of course is hiling. This is a great success and

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Speaker 2: for the freedom of speech at most certain years.

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Speaker 1: Barrisopa, thank you very much. Great to have you on

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Speaker 1: as always. Barrisoper, Senior political correspondent.

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