1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport Podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:12,027 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,147 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoons, we chat with James McCarney. 4 00:00:15,187 --> 00:00:17,987 Speaker 3: Hello, mate, kat a Piney, how's it going? 5 00:00:18,587 --> 00:00:21,427 Speaker 2: Very good? Did you enjoy watching two port VI in 6 00:00:21,467 --> 00:00:24,467 Speaker 2: the last two Test matches playing the sixth jersey score 7 00:00:24,587 --> 00:00:27,467 Speaker 2: tries in both give it the pookhana? Is he the 8 00:00:27,507 --> 00:00:29,227 Speaker 2: answer moving forward in that jersey? 9 00:00:29,987 --> 00:00:32,347 Speaker 3: Well, he feels like the answer, but it also means 10 00:00:32,427 --> 00:00:35,587 Speaker 3: it's a big shift, isn't it from where the all 11 00:00:35,587 --> 00:00:38,587 Speaker 3: Blacks were heading with their loose forwards? Because you know, 12 00:00:38,747 --> 00:00:41,307 Speaker 3: like I said last week, he's not a power number 13 00:00:41,347 --> 00:00:43,667 Speaker 3: six like at Jerome k and O or even a 14 00:00:43,747 --> 00:00:47,547 Speaker 3: Liam Squire. But the thing is he he gives you 15 00:00:47,587 --> 00:00:50,147 Speaker 3: that extra bit of work. Create he gives you, you know, 16 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:54,107 Speaker 3: elite mobility, and he's just got an engine that won't quit. 17 00:00:54,187 --> 00:00:56,867 Speaker 3: So you notice his support game now that he's been 18 00:00:56,907 --> 00:01:01,547 Speaker 3: freed up from Locke is just looking absolutely elite. So yes, 19 00:01:01,587 --> 00:01:03,707 Speaker 3: two po Bio at six I think is a really 20 00:01:03,747 --> 00:01:09,067 Speaker 3: successful experiment, and you know it's test Rugby agrees with them. 21 00:01:09,107 --> 00:01:11,027 Speaker 3: It's just one of those guys, you know, it's a 22 00:01:11,027 --> 00:01:14,987 Speaker 3: bit like when Liam Squire made the step up he 23 00:01:15,027 --> 00:01:16,467 Speaker 3: looked at home straight away, didn't he? 24 00:01:17,067 --> 00:01:20,027 Speaker 2: Yep, he did. Neither are some players who just are ready, 25 00:01:20,027 --> 00:01:22,267 Speaker 2: aren't they? They're just ready Wallace to tt another one 26 00:01:22,387 --> 00:01:24,747 Speaker 2: last year. What else caught your eye last night? 27 00:01:25,947 --> 00:01:28,987 Speaker 3: Well, to start with, I couldn't actually take this test 28 00:01:28,987 --> 00:01:33,547 Speaker 3: that seriously piney because France fois by four points last weekend. 29 00:01:33,587 --> 00:01:37,587 Speaker 3: But Gualtier made so many changes even David Bowie would 30 00:01:37,587 --> 00:01:41,387 Speaker 3: struggle to keep up. I mean he made he made 31 00:01:41,467 --> 00:01:46,107 Speaker 3: ten to Jane Jazz, but it was really actually twelve 32 00:01:46,547 --> 00:01:49,307 Speaker 3: because after Sogby, who was at fullback in the first test, 33 00:01:49,627 --> 00:01:52,347 Speaker 3: and Gayeton, who was at center, moved to the wings. 34 00:01:52,347 --> 00:01:54,427 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a great win by the All Blacks. 35 00:01:54,467 --> 00:01:57,627 Speaker 3: I thought they were clinical, but clearly Gualtier doesn't care 36 00:01:57,627 --> 00:01:59,787 Speaker 3: about winning the series, because you would not do that 37 00:02:00,187 --> 00:02:03,107 Speaker 3: after such a great showing from the team in the 38 00:02:03,107 --> 00:02:03,627 Speaker 3: first Test. 39 00:02:03,747 --> 00:02:05,867 Speaker 2: I don't know, it didn't it didn't reward it, did 40 00:02:05,907 --> 00:02:08,187 Speaker 2: it reward performance at all? 41 00:02:09,107 --> 00:02:11,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were so good in that first test. I 42 00:02:11,987 --> 00:02:15,387 Speaker 3: just went, this is actually really cool for Guilty. He's 43 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:19,507 Speaker 3: uncovered some gems at the Sogby looks world class at fallback, 44 00:02:19,947 --> 00:02:21,627 Speaker 3: and I mean you saw he had a couple of 45 00:02:21,627 --> 00:02:24,947 Speaker 3: flashes on the wing, but nothing great last night, so 46 00:02:25,027 --> 00:02:28,667 Speaker 3: I just thought he's clearly just doing his own thing, 47 00:02:28,827 --> 00:02:31,107 Speaker 3: mixing and matching. There's not the same pressure on the 48 00:02:31,147 --> 00:02:33,587 Speaker 3: fred rugby coach as there is of the All Blacks 49 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:37,227 Speaker 3: coach to win, so he can do what whatever he wants. 50 00:02:37,267 --> 00:02:40,947 Speaker 3: And I don't doubt there'll be a correction this weekend 51 00:02:41,147 --> 00:02:43,947 Speaker 3: in Hamilton, so I think coming away with a win 52 00:02:44,027 --> 00:02:46,467 Speaker 3: would still be a feather of his cap, but it's 53 00:02:46,507 --> 00:02:48,427 Speaker 3: not the same pressure and I didn't even feel that 54 00:02:48,507 --> 00:02:51,627 Speaker 3: last night because it was a bit disjointed. Although we 55 00:02:51,707 --> 00:02:57,187 Speaker 3: can say baby in Holland, yes, massive asset and what 56 00:02:58,947 --> 00:03:01,787 Speaker 3: a great first two tests. You probably won't you go 57 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:04,107 Speaker 3: a long way to find a better start to All 58 00:03:04,147 --> 00:03:07,987 Speaker 3: Black's career. And then Camroy guard just owning things at halfback. 59 00:03:08,267 --> 00:03:11,107 Speaker 3: He looks so elite now that you know there's no 60 00:03:11,147 --> 00:03:14,307 Speaker 3: doubt he is the starting nine. Moving moving forward. 61 00:03:14,067 --> 00:03:17,107 Speaker 2: For a while indeed, or let's move to other matters. 62 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:22,307 Speaker 2: The Carlos al Karez Janick sinner rivalry has its latest 63 00:03:22,387 --> 00:03:25,787 Speaker 2: chapter tonight at Wimbledon. Remember these guys had a five 64 00:03:25,827 --> 00:03:27,747 Speaker 2: and a half hour final at roll In Garol's not 65 00:03:27,787 --> 00:03:31,267 Speaker 2: that long ago. I don't think Sinner's ever won Wimbledon. 66 00:03:31,267 --> 00:03:32,987 Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever made the final. Al KaAZ 67 00:03:32,987 --> 00:03:35,147 Speaker 2: has won the last two. A big good game, though, 68 00:03:35,187 --> 00:03:35,667 Speaker 2: shouldn't it. 69 00:03:36,587 --> 00:03:38,947 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sort of picking Sinner to win this. I 70 00:03:39,027 --> 00:03:42,987 Speaker 3: just feel like he's you know, they're both heading towards 71 00:03:42,987 --> 00:03:44,947 Speaker 3: the peak of their powers. But the way that he 72 00:03:45,587 --> 00:03:50,227 Speaker 3: got rid of Djokovic in the semi finals, this is Sinner. 73 00:03:51,547 --> 00:03:55,947 Speaker 3: He's sort of built really like a grasscourt player more 74 00:03:55,947 --> 00:03:59,187 Speaker 3: than al Karaz, just a bit longer and you know, 75 00:03:59,307 --> 00:04:03,067 Speaker 3: covers the court that way he I mean, I haven't 76 00:04:03,107 --> 00:04:05,387 Speaker 3: seen enough of his volley game to say, okay, he's 77 00:04:05,427 --> 00:04:08,627 Speaker 3: definitely got what it takes to put away those easy points. 78 00:04:08,667 --> 00:04:12,427 Speaker 3: But Sinner is, you know, he's on the rise. I 79 00:04:12,467 --> 00:04:16,947 Speaker 3: can see why the tennis bosses didn't give him a 80 00:04:17,027 --> 00:04:21,027 Speaker 3: tough drugs band because tennis needs him. You know, Tennis 81 00:04:21,067 --> 00:04:25,107 Speaker 3: needs Sinners more than they need Saints, and so that's 82 00:04:25,147 --> 00:04:28,747 Speaker 3: why he's there. But al Karez, that's it's a great 83 00:04:28,827 --> 00:04:31,907 Speaker 3: rivalry already, it just needs probably one or two more. 84 00:04:31,907 --> 00:04:33,867 Speaker 3: You know, it's thereas okay, but you know, maybe a 85 00:04:33,867 --> 00:04:36,627 Speaker 3: couple more so they can get another Big four going. 86 00:04:36,747 --> 00:04:38,387 Speaker 3: But did you see the women's final pinting? 87 00:04:38,747 --> 00:04:40,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, double bagel. How would you go? 88 00:04:41,947 --> 00:04:46,107 Speaker 3: Honestly, fifty seven minutes, you pay your your tickets, you 89 00:04:46,187 --> 00:04:48,827 Speaker 3: have your strawberries and crean, they're barely finished their pims 90 00:04:49,227 --> 00:04:53,747 Speaker 3: and you're out the door. That is brutal. Look, I 91 00:04:54,187 --> 00:04:57,707 Speaker 3: just think, I mean, Sublenka will be kicking yourself for 92 00:04:57,827 --> 00:05:00,427 Speaker 3: losing the semi final, but I think that her temperament 93 00:05:00,547 --> 00:05:03,867 Speaker 3: is costing her what should be dominance right now. But 94 00:05:04,787 --> 00:05:08,787 Speaker 3: Donald's spheer tech, Who's Who's just a champion player? And im 95 00:05:08,787 --> 00:05:09,427 Speaker 3: proves it again. 96 00:05:09,947 --> 00:05:14,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, Amanda anisim Ova the unfortunate recipient of the six 97 00:05:14,107 --> 00:05:16,307 Speaker 2: love six love in the in the women's final. We'll 98 00:05:16,307 --> 00:05:18,747 Speaker 2: look forward to the men's tonight. Hey, the Warriors play 99 00:05:18,787 --> 00:05:21,267 Speaker 2: West Tigers this afternoon. This feels like quite an important 100 00:05:21,307 --> 00:05:23,227 Speaker 2: match to me off the back of well, the bye, 101 00:05:23,307 --> 00:05:24,867 Speaker 2: but then two defeats before that. 102 00:05:25,947 --> 00:05:29,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know it's it's a banana skin game. 103 00:05:29,187 --> 00:05:31,947 Speaker 3: It's a real kind of like because the Tigers are 104 00:05:31,987 --> 00:05:34,147 Speaker 3: a Batlan team and not on the table, you'd say 105 00:05:34,587 --> 00:05:37,467 Speaker 3: we should beat them all all day, every single week. 106 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:41,347 Speaker 3: But the really reality is is that you know, Benji 107 00:05:41,347 --> 00:05:43,467 Speaker 3: will have them motivated. They've got you know, I think 108 00:05:43,507 --> 00:05:46,227 Speaker 3: corrousales back today. Have you seen the team Piney, I 109 00:05:46,267 --> 00:05:49,867 Speaker 3: don't know, but that makes that makes a big difference 110 00:05:49,907 --> 00:05:52,427 Speaker 3: to them. And so I just think we need to 111 00:05:52,427 --> 00:05:55,187 Speaker 3: be quite patient with what with having the new half 112 00:05:55,227 --> 00:05:58,347 Speaker 3: back there with Tanner Boyd and and just you know, 113 00:05:58,467 --> 00:06:00,867 Speaker 3: give them a chance. But look, it's it's not too 114 00:06:00,947 --> 00:06:05,187 Speaker 3: bad conditions here. So look, I think there's there's every 115 00:06:05,267 --> 00:06:07,267 Speaker 3: chance the Warriors can get back on track. It's been 116 00:06:07,307 --> 00:06:10,707 Speaker 3: an awkward a few bie weeks with two losses and 117 00:06:11,307 --> 00:06:14,387 Speaker 3: two buyers. It's just Origin just gets in the way. 118 00:06:14,427 --> 00:06:17,787 Speaker 3: He doesn't it, But it's just the way the league 119 00:06:17,867 --> 00:06:21,027 Speaker 3: is structured. And so now hopefully we can get some 120 00:06:21,187 --> 00:06:22,547 Speaker 3: confidence back in the team. 121 00:06:22,747 --> 00:06:25,667 Speaker 2: Upper Side Chorus is back for the West Tigers, so 122 00:06:25,787 --> 00:06:27,827 Speaker 2: you'll see him out on go Meetia this evening or 123 00:06:27,907 --> 00:06:30,707 Speaker 2: this afternoon when it becomes the evening. I'm looking forward 124 00:06:30,707 --> 00:06:33,667 Speaker 2: seeing how Tanner Boyd goes. I haven't ever seen him play, 125 00:06:33,787 --> 00:06:35,027 Speaker 2: but I want to see him play today. 126 00:06:35,667 --> 00:06:37,987 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean, Tanner Boyd is the one who 127 00:06:38,187 --> 00:06:41,507 Speaker 3: really pushes them so hard. That. I think even if 128 00:06:41,547 --> 00:06:44,507 Speaker 3: you ask where he he'd say that he'd love to 129 00:06:44,507 --> 00:06:47,027 Speaker 3: pick him. He just had him in a space with 130 00:06:47,387 --> 00:06:50,347 Speaker 3: Luke Metcalf playing that well. So the reason why they 131 00:06:50,347 --> 00:06:52,547 Speaker 3: signed him is they wanted him to be their number seven. 132 00:06:52,667 --> 00:06:55,267 Speaker 3: But it's I think it's Chanelle Harris de Vita. His 133 00:06:55,387 --> 00:06:58,707 Speaker 3: emergence as a as a force again has pretty much 134 00:06:58,827 --> 00:07:01,507 Speaker 3: changed all their plans because Tanner Boyd when they signed 135 00:07:01,547 --> 00:07:03,947 Speaker 3: him from Gold Coast last year, was going to be 136 00:07:03,947 --> 00:07:04,627 Speaker 3: the number seven. 137 00:07:05,787 --> 00:07:07,507 Speaker 2: Hey, the Black Keps are going to be playing shortly 138 00:07:07,547 --> 00:07:11,467 Speaker 2: as well. They're over in Zimbabwe, aren't there? No, Yeah, Zimbabwe. 139 00:07:11,547 --> 00:07:15,387 Speaker 2: They are for this tri series again Zimbabwe and South Africa. 140 00:07:16,307 --> 00:07:18,267 Speaker 2: These games are eleven o'clock at night, which is a 141 00:07:18,267 --> 00:07:20,827 Speaker 2: little bit unfriendly in terms of viewing them. But there's 142 00:07:20,827 --> 00:07:22,347 Speaker 2: a couple of new faces to look out for. 143 00:07:23,267 --> 00:07:26,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing that's kind of interesting, that Zimbabwe series. 144 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:29,547 Speaker 3: And who sang the song Zimbabwe? Was it Tony Child's. 145 00:07:29,667 --> 00:07:31,667 Speaker 3: I think I don't know that song. 146 00:07:31,707 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 2: That's about the first Niche reference, the first Niche reference 147 00:07:34,467 --> 00:07:36,667 Speaker 2: you've given me that I haven't picked up on. I'll check, yeah, 148 00:07:36,747 --> 00:07:38,307 Speaker 2: but keep talking. 149 00:07:38,627 --> 00:07:40,747 Speaker 3: And it's Tony child. The thing you know, stop your 150 00:07:40,747 --> 00:07:43,547 Speaker 3: fussing was another big song as well. But yes, you 151 00:07:43,627 --> 00:07:46,107 Speaker 3: definitely had a song called Zimbabwe. If you can find it, Andy, 152 00:07:46,347 --> 00:07:49,387 Speaker 3: you will be a legend if you can. But look, yeah, 153 00:07:49,587 --> 00:07:52,427 Speaker 3: the interesting thing is Michael Bracewell and Kan Williams are 154 00:07:52,507 --> 00:07:56,147 Speaker 3: not playing in the Tests. That's just I think they've 155 00:07:56,187 --> 00:07:59,587 Speaker 3: got Well Cane's on a special deal where he can 156 00:07:59,627 --> 00:08:02,107 Speaker 3: just pick and choose, and fair enough he's got to 157 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:04,707 Speaker 3: that point and Michael Bracewell's been allowed to go and 158 00:08:04,707 --> 00:08:07,107 Speaker 3: play in the one hundred over and there one. But 159 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:09,787 Speaker 3: it does say to me that we are devaluing Test 160 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:12,707 Speaker 3: matches quite a lot. And okay, it's only Zimbabwe, but 161 00:08:13,227 --> 00:08:16,507 Speaker 3: if you think that it is the pinnacle of the sport, 162 00:08:16,947 --> 00:08:20,587 Speaker 3: we should be somehow prioritizing it or pushing for a 163 00:08:20,587 --> 00:08:24,307 Speaker 3: better schedule. So it's a terrible drawer. If you're a 164 00:08:24,387 --> 00:08:27,907 Speaker 3: Test match cricketer this year, you're just pretty much twiddling thumbs. 165 00:08:27,907 --> 00:08:32,027 Speaker 3: But there is because Kyle Jamieson is his partner's expecting 166 00:08:32,067 --> 00:08:34,427 Speaker 3: their first baby. He's out and there's a young guy 167 00:08:34,467 --> 00:08:37,987 Speaker 3: called Matt Fisher, a young fast bowler from the Northern 168 00:08:38,067 --> 00:08:41,667 Speaker 3: From Northern districts has come in Waikato boy. I think 169 00:08:41,707 --> 00:08:45,947 Speaker 3: his dad's a lawyer in tokot Or so just yeah, 170 00:08:46,027 --> 00:08:48,307 Speaker 3: he's He's come through from the grass roots. 171 00:08:49,107 --> 00:08:50,867 Speaker 2: I love it. I think he's quite quick. I think 172 00:08:50,907 --> 00:08:53,867 Speaker 2: they like how you know you guys come in. They 173 00:08:53,907 --> 00:08:55,947 Speaker 2: so this blokes quite quick. I think he's one of 174 00:08:55,987 --> 00:08:58,627 Speaker 2: the quicker ones going around domestic cricket. Matt Fisher looking 175 00:08:58,667 --> 00:09:01,227 Speaker 2: forward to seeing how quick he actually is exactly. 176 00:09:01,267 --> 00:09:03,787 Speaker 3: Talkota is one of the greatest sporting counts in history. 177 00:09:03,787 --> 00:09:06,027 Speaker 3: I think you can trace a lot of like legends 178 00:09:06,347 --> 00:09:08,907 Speaker 3: you don't even realize it from Talk All Bernie Fraser, 179 00:09:08,947 --> 00:09:12,427 Speaker 3: Maria Too, tire Keiven, the Alamu Walton Little you know. 180 00:09:12,587 --> 00:09:15,427 Speaker 3: The list goes on, obviously, the ones like Kuake Cooper, 181 00:09:15,547 --> 00:09:19,347 Speaker 3: Richard Cahowey and Joey Marnho. But is there a bit 182 00:09:19,347 --> 00:09:22,827 Speaker 3: of cricketer. Is Matt Fisher going to be Talk's first 183 00:09:23,907 --> 00:09:25,707 Speaker 3: black cat. We'll wait and see. I mean, I haven't 184 00:09:25,707 --> 00:09:27,827 Speaker 3: done the research for you just today, but I'm just 185 00:09:27,867 --> 00:09:29,027 Speaker 3: sort of riffing here. 186 00:09:29,107 --> 00:09:32,307 Speaker 2: Piney good on Talk, Good on Talk, I found Zimbabwe. 187 00:09:32,387 --> 00:09:34,667 Speaker 2: I'll play a couple of a couple of bars to 188 00:09:34,707 --> 00:09:37,067 Speaker 2: take us out with Sellow why not here it is 189 00:09:37,067 --> 00:09:39,347 Speaker 2: from Tony Childs. Hey, we'll see We'll see you next Sunday. 190 00:09:40,307 --> 00:09:42,347 Speaker 3: Yes, sounds good, poney, look. 191 00:09:42,187 --> 00:09:45,627 Speaker 2: Forward to it, mate. James mcconey with Tony Childs en Zimbabwe. 192 00:09:45,667 --> 00:09:51,747 Speaker 2: Although this feels like it's kind a very long intro. Yeah, 193 00:09:51,747 --> 00:09:54,507 Speaker 2: I on bored with that, already bored with that song already. 194 00:09:54,667 --> 00:09:58,107 Speaker 2: It's certainly not Stop Your Fussing by Tony Charles is it? 195 00:09:58,627 --> 00:10:01,827 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live 196 00:10:01,947 --> 00:10:05,227 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday, or follow 197 00:10:05,267 --> 00:10:06,867 Speaker 1: the podcast on I Radio