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Speaker 1: Afternoon. So the governments announced it's going to gut the

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Speaker 1: Ministry for Disabled People. The place has apparently not been

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Speaker 1: delivering services consistently around the country, operating some sort of

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Speaker 1: post code lottery, and it's also blowing its budget by

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million dollars this year. So the

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Speaker 1: government's decided to move the disability support services away from

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Speaker 1: the Ministry and instead to the Ministry for Social Development.

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Speaker 1: Peter Reynolds is the CEO of the New Zealand Disability

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Speaker 1: Support networking with us. He Peter hi Heather not keen

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Speaker 1: on this.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. There's a big difference between overspending

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Speaker 2: and underfunding, and what we're seeing is for over a

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Speaker 2: decade a sector that has been underfunded consistently. The way

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Speaker 2: by Kaha, the Ministry for Disabled People was set up

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Speaker 2: in the first place, it was never funded properly to

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Speaker 2: do the job. So of course you're going to see

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Speaker 2: from one perspective overspending. But we're saying, well, help if

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Speaker 2: you don't put enough money into the system, what do

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Speaker 2: you call it?

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Speaker 1: Well, didn't the government just check another billion dollars into

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Speaker 1: the system at.

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Speaker 2: The last budget one point one billion? Yes, million of

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Speaker 2: that was to bail Thai Kaha out because they ran

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Speaker 2: out of money.

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Speaker 1: So it's obviously so sort of an underfunding problem. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a billion dollars right there.

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Speaker 2: Well, the trouble is is about two point one billion

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Speaker 2: dollars worth of expenditure needed. So it is an issue

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Speaker 2: and it's fair to look into that and say, well,

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Speaker 2: why have we got that increased demand? We know, for example,

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Speaker 2: in residential services, one of the areas that's been highlighted

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Speaker 2: by the review as a part that needs to be

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Speaker 2: cut back that the increasing complexity and age range of

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Speaker 2: disabled people needing that level of support has been increasing heavily.

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Speaker 2: So with that added complexity, where else do those people

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Speaker 2: go if they need that level of support? What are

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Speaker 2: they supposed to do? Do they turn up to an

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Speaker 2: old folks harme? Do they go to the local emergency

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Speaker 2: department of the hospital. If the services aren't available to

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Speaker 2: support disabled people, then what are they supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: In terms of what's happened today, which is moving the

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Speaker 1: services delivery from from this ministry to another ministry, is

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Speaker 1: that necessarily a bad idea to move it to another

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Speaker 1: ministry that it can actually deliver.

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but I guess we've got a question mark

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Speaker 2: over its capacity to deliver. Clearly I Faikaha had struggled.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been set up right in the first place,

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Speaker 2: then they're never going to be able to achieve what

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Speaker 2: they need to. But our experience, I mean, across our sector,

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Speaker 2: there are about eight different funders for different contracts. It's

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Speaker 2: all quite complex. MESD are one of those funders now.

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Speaker 2: As recently as June thirtieth, three contracts expired across a

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Speaker 2: couple one hundred providers. No replacement contract was issued for

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Speaker 2: two months. That's two months that those providers didn't receive

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Speaker 2: any funding and didn't have a contract to provide the

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Speaker 2: service to the people in their care. It just doesn't

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Speaker 2: give me a hell of a lot of confidence that

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Speaker 2: NESD are in the right position to be able to

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Speaker 2: do this.

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Speaker 1: Peter listen, thank you for talking us through to really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Peter Reynold's the CEO of the Stability Support Network.

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