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Speaker 1: So it looks like we're going to be waiting at

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Speaker 1: least ten years to find new gas. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: the advice for the government, because it's of course repealing

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Speaker 1: the oil and gas exploration ban at the moment. In

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Speaker 1: submissions on that close today and Resources Minister Shane Jones

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Speaker 1: is with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Shane, Hey, morning, folks, what do you reckon the.

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Speaker 1: Chances aren't these guys are right and we don't get

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Speaker 1: any new gas within the next decade.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to have a long term view about this.

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Speaker 2: We're going to need gas in New Zealand or coal

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Speaker 2: until twenty fifty. And all we're doing is ensuring that

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Speaker 2: we get rid of the just cinder of durned band,

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Speaker 2: which was an attempt to close down the gas industry

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Speaker 2: and we didn't like that. I don't want to see

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Speaker 2: it to persist one minute longer than it should.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I agree with you on that, But I mean,

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Speaker 1: does this seems to me a little bit pessimistic to

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Speaker 1: be thinking that we're just going to have to be

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Speaker 1: importing LG for the next ten.

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Speaker 2: Years and through the entire system Sadly, over the last

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Speaker 2: six years there's been this creep of wocism, and people

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Speaker 2: are working in a lot of these climate orientated location

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Speaker 2: to become very cynical towards the gas industry. They seem

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Speaker 2: to regard it as a mortal threat and the planet's

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Speaker 2: going to be boiling, all of which is rubbish and

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Speaker 2: New Zealand emissions are a fraction and we need to

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Speaker 2: sustain our industry and make sure that we put New

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Speaker 2: Zealand first and not climate first.

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Speaker 1: Shane, what makes up these ten years? I mean? Is

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Speaker 1: this because we know there's gas out there right, We

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Speaker 1: know that there are a bunch of fields that could

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Speaker 1: potentially actually pump up a whole lot. So how does

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Speaker 1: it take ten years to get it out of the ground?

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Speaker 1: Is that as part of that you having to convince

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Speaker 1: them to come back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, part of it is the confidence that was dented

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Speaker 2: after Descenda summarily canceled industry. But in addition to that,

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Speaker 2: we already have gas fields and quite a bit of

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Speaker 2: a problem has been the uncertainty going forward. If they

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Speaker 2: do spend one hundred couple of hundred million dollars, what

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Speaker 2: about if a new government arrived and indiscriminately cancels this industry,

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Speaker 2: which is while we will to explore ways of protecting

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Speaker 2: people's rights. It's absurd that you and I are even

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Speaker 2: having this discussion, which properly belongs in Venezuela, not New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Too right, Hallison, what about those protesters yesterday? Why do

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Speaker 1: you stop to have a chat to them?

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Speaker 2: Shane actually went for a haircut and then Rodney Wayne's

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Speaker 2: my appointment had been postponed. Look, they were initially at

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Speaker 2: Parliament and yeah across the road and they saw me

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Speaker 2: and gave me a blast. But hey, they're entitled to

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Speaker 2: their views. I'm not going to take a backward step

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Speaker 2: from these.

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Speaker 1: You were enjoying it though, a because you stopped and

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Speaker 1: had a little chat right back at them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean, I think key, we want to

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Speaker 2: see someone put an alternative view to these frog loving,

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Speaker 2: lizard obsessive characters.

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Speaker 1: Shane, good on you more of it. Thanks very much

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Speaker 1: that Shane Jones, the Resource Minister. For more on the

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