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Speaker 3: Welcome to podcasts three hundred and thirteen for December three,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Headline News. Doctor William Happer is coming

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Speaker 3: to New Zealand. In fact, he might already be here

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Speaker 3: as we speak. Let me set the stage for doctor

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Speaker 3: Happer before we dive. In two years ago he toured

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Speaker 3: Australia's capital cities, most of them and addressed very large crowds.

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Speaker 3: After his speech in Brisbane, he talked at some length

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Speaker 3: with Jennifer Murrahasse, who is a scientist, and she wrote

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Speaker 3: the following. As the emeritus professor of physics at Princeton

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Speaker 3: University and an expert on radiative transfer that concerns, among

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Speaker 3: other things, the absorption of infrared radiation by carbon dioxide,

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Speaker 3: Willhapper has the competency to calculate equilibrium climate sensitivity from

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Speaker 3: first principles. And then she added this, Indeed, Professor Happer

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Speaker 3: is perhaps more qualified, better credentialed than anyone I have

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Speaker 3: ever met and ever likely to meet, when it comes

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Speaker 3: to calculating the likely effect of a doubling of atmospheric

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Speaker 3: levels of carbon dioxide on the Earth's temperature. Not that

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Speaker 3: we have a doubling yet, but that this is something

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Speaker 3: that technocrats obsess over. But we're not finished. From a

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Speaker 3: slightly different angle, Chris Mitchell is a very good journalist.

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Speaker 3: He's been such for decades in various parts of Australia

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Speaker 3: writes for The Australian. And this is what he wrote

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Speaker 3: and published on the thirtieth of November. Media asleep as

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Speaker 3: labour Botcher's energy policy. The world is waking up to

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Speaker 3: what's really happening to the climates and in electricity grid's

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Speaker 3: reliant on intermittent renewable energy as usual, Most Australian environmental

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Speaker 3: journalists remain asleep. They were strangely quiet about the failure

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Speaker 3: of last month's COP thirty climate meeting in Vellum and

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Speaker 3: Brazil to map out a new higher path for global

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Speaker 3: emissions reduction. Targets. Journalists who'd been desperate for COP thirty

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Speaker 3: failure of one point eighty of the one ninety five

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Speaker 3: nations signed up to the Paris Emissions Reduction Accord to

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Speaker 3: submit their twenty thirty five targets ahead of the latest

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Speaker 3: COP as required. Climate Change and Energy Minister of Australia

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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen released Australia's in September, saying Australia would lead

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Speaker 3: Australia would want to lead the world and imperil its

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Speaker 3: own heavy industries. But you get the picture. Now, let's

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Speaker 3: go back to doctor William Happer. Doctor Happer is the

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Speaker 3: Cyrus T. Fogg Professor Emeritus of Physics at Princeton University.

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Speaker 3: He is the founder and longtime board member of the

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Speaker 3: CO two Coalition. He's published over two hundred scientific papers,

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Speaker 3: including those on his pioneering work on the interaction of

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Speaker 3: light and atoms. Now, as for the CO two Coalition,

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Speaker 3: it was established in twenty fifteen as a non partisan

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Speaker 3: educational foundation operating for the purpose of educating thought leaders, policymakers,

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Speaker 3: dioxide to our lives and the economy. The Coalition seeks

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Speaker 3: to engage in an informed and dispassionate discussion of climate change,

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Speaker 3: human's role in the climate system, the limitations of climate models,

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Speaker 3: In carrying out our mission, we seek to strengthen the

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Speaker 3: testing hypotheses that can be replicated and potentially disproven. Approaches

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Speaker 3: But otherwise he's here for a lengthy period of time.

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Speaker 3: I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion we had, apart from one fact,

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Speaker 3: think we recovered o'caane. You'll barely notice it so Dr

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Speaker 3: William Happer after a short break. Leverix is an antihistamine

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Speaker 3: made in Switzerland to the highest quality. Leverix relieves hay

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Speaker 3: always read the label. Take as directed and if symptoms persist,

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Speaker 3: see your health professional. Farmer Broker Auckland, Laighton Smith, William Happer,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Laton Smith Podcast. More importantly at advance,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to New Zealand the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks, Layden, where I'm looking forward to the visit.

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Speaker 3: You were in Australia two years ago and they took

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Speaker 4: That's correct. I also went to Brisbane, yeap.

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Speaker 3: The journey here is somewhat different because you've had days

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Speaker 3: It is a pleasure, I have to say, to actually

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Speaker 3: And I don't know what's taken so long to get

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Speaker 3: The history of you and climate matters, where did it start?

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Speaker 4: Well, it started really because in nineteen ninety tonty three,

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Speaker 4: And until then I hadn't paid a lot of attention

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Speaker 4: So on once a week I would have someone come

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Speaker 4: And I learned a lot from these seminars. But there

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Speaker 3: Tell me this where you arrived at that point. Was

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Speaker 4: health that so many people in the world are experiencing

430
00:30:07,133 --> 00:30:10,893
Speaker 4: now for the first time has been due to the

431
00:30:10,973 --> 00:30:15,813
Speaker 4: use of fossil fuels. You know, using coal to make electricity,

432
00:30:16,093 --> 00:30:22,293
Speaker 4: to heat homes, to run industry, using oil for transportation,

433
00:30:22,493 --> 00:30:27,253
Speaker 4: for automobiles, for airlines, all of that has been an

434
00:30:27,413 --> 00:30:32,893
Speaker 4: enormous blessing, not to mention the use of hydrocarbons for fertilizers,

435
00:30:32,933 --> 00:30:36,173
Speaker 4: so that you know, the real problem for most farmers

436
00:30:36,173 --> 00:30:40,933
Speaker 4: today is over production. You know, even in India, you know,

437
00:30:41,053 --> 00:30:45,613
Speaker 4: there are surpluses because proper yields have gone up so

438
00:30:45,733 --> 00:30:50,693
Speaker 4: much because of more fertilizer, and indeed partly because of

439
00:30:50,733 --> 00:30:54,533
Speaker 4: more CO two. CO two is a fertilizer just like

440
00:30:54,653 --> 00:31:00,173
Speaker 4: nitrogen or potassium or prosperous. So getting rid of all

441
00:31:00,213 --> 00:31:06,773
Speaker 4: of those benefits will drive humanity back into poverty and misery.

442
00:31:07,853 --> 00:31:12,013
Speaker 4: Who who wants to have that? You know, we've got

443
00:31:12,053 --> 00:31:17,493
Speaker 4: plenty of time to centuries of fossil fuel available, and

444
00:31:18,013 --> 00:31:22,533
Speaker 4: during that time we'll have an opportunity to figure out

445
00:31:23,293 --> 00:31:25,613
Speaker 4: what to do when fossil fuels finally run out. But

446
00:31:25,653 --> 00:31:27,613
Speaker 4: it's going to be a long time before that happens,

447
00:31:27,613 --> 00:31:31,613
Speaker 4: and we should enjoy their benefits as long as they last,

448
00:31:31,813 --> 00:31:33,173
Speaker 4: and they'll last a long time.

449
00:31:33,773 --> 00:31:38,973
Speaker 3: A matter of interest. Bill Gates then his appearance of

450
00:31:39,573 --> 00:31:42,013
Speaker 3: turning the table. Do you believe him?

451
00:31:42,573 --> 00:31:45,533
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know Bill Gates. There are a lot

452
00:31:45,533 --> 00:31:49,493
Speaker 4: of people like Bill Gates out there who were suckered

453
00:31:49,533 --> 00:31:55,693
Speaker 4: into timate alarmism. I think. You know, Bill Gates doesn't

454
00:31:55,773 --> 00:32:01,493
Speaker 4: really know very much physics or chemistry or geology. And

455
00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:04,813
Speaker 4: he made a lot of money, you know, marketing software,

456
00:32:04,853 --> 00:32:09,373
Speaker 4: so he thinks he's a genius, is a genius in

457
00:32:09,453 --> 00:32:12,533
Speaker 4: terms of marketing, but he doesn't know very much science,

458
00:32:13,573 --> 00:32:17,933
Speaker 4: so he was I think, misled into alarmism long climate.

459
00:32:17,973 --> 00:32:20,533
Speaker 4: If you read what he wrote five or six years ago,

460
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:24,573
Speaker 4: it's nothing like what he recently wrote and this little

461
00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:30,293
Speaker 4: essay of disavowing alarmism. There are others like that, you

462
00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:34,933
Speaker 4: know who you know, they can't bring themselves to say

463
00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:38,213
Speaker 4: that the whole thing is a lie. You know, how

464
00:32:38,253 --> 00:32:41,173
Speaker 4: could so many people be wrong? You know, how could

465
00:32:41,253 --> 00:32:44,413
Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of all scientists be wrong? It's of

466
00:32:44,413 --> 00:32:47,613
Speaker 4: course not true that ninety nine percent of all scientists

467
00:32:47,693 --> 00:32:52,653
Speaker 4: support this alarmism but that's the that's the mean. Well,

468
00:32:52,693 --> 00:32:54,333
Speaker 4: I don't know what to say about that.

469
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:57,613
Speaker 3: Well, the ninety nine percent of the ninety seven percent,

470
00:32:58,173 --> 00:33:02,933
Speaker 3: which whichever figure doesn't matter, but what does What does

471
00:33:03,013 --> 00:33:06,213
Speaker 3: matter is that the and I'm going to put it

472
00:33:06,253 --> 00:33:11,533
Speaker 3: as I see it, the ignorance and stupidity of much

473
00:33:11,573 --> 00:33:15,413
Speaker 3: of the media, individuals in particular I'm thinking of and

474
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:18,653
Speaker 3: so as a lot of my audience as they hear

475
00:33:18,693 --> 00:33:26,053
Speaker 3: that terminology, because it's it's it's well understood in some circles,

476
00:33:27,693 --> 00:33:31,213
Speaker 3: they are simply not interested in getting to the truth

477
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:35,333
Speaker 3: and this is this is one of the great guys.

478
00:33:34,853 --> 00:33:38,173
Speaker 4: Right, that's right. But in my country. Maybe it's different

479
00:33:38,173 --> 00:33:41,173
Speaker 4: in New Zealand, but there's a whole generation of journalists

480
00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:45,533
Speaker 4: who've been trained to spread climate or armism. You know,

481
00:33:45,613 --> 00:33:48,253
Speaker 4: that's that's their job. You know, they were trained to

482
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:51,893
Speaker 4: do that. They've got talking points and you know, they

483
00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:53,853
Speaker 4: get up in the morning and they start doing that

484
00:33:54,013 --> 00:33:56,613
Speaker 4: and they continue until they go to bed the next side.

485
00:33:57,053 --> 00:34:00,893
Speaker 4: So it's hard to compete with someone like that, you know,

486
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:05,813
Speaker 4: who's just so fixated on pushing this message. It's a

487
00:34:05,853 --> 00:34:10,293
Speaker 4: false message. But are enough people pushing a false message?

488
00:34:10,373 --> 00:34:12,493
Speaker 4: After a while it begins to have an impact.

489
00:34:13,653 --> 00:34:18,173
Speaker 3: Indeed, I want to refer to Max Planck, the German physicist.

490
00:34:18,693 --> 00:34:21,853
Speaker 3: Can you give us a brief on his achievement.

491
00:34:23,133 --> 00:34:27,493
Speaker 4: Well, Max Planck is a real hero to all of

492
00:34:27,533 --> 00:34:30,853
Speaker 4: physicists and really to all of science. He was the

493
00:34:30,893 --> 00:34:35,853
Speaker 4: person who finally figured out what was wrong with classical

494
00:34:35,893 --> 00:34:42,053
Speaker 4: physics and introduced quantum quantum mechanics. So, you know, in

495
00:34:42,093 --> 00:34:47,253
Speaker 4: the late eighteen hundreds there was a dirty little secret

496
00:34:47,373 --> 00:34:52,253
Speaker 4: that very few people understood outside of a few scientists,

497
00:34:52,333 --> 00:34:56,093
Speaker 4: and that was a classical physics really didn't work. You know,

498
00:34:56,373 --> 00:35:02,373
Speaker 4: if you, for example, use the classical theories of thermodynamics

499
00:35:02,413 --> 00:35:06,453
Speaker 4: and electricity and magnetism, you found that there ought to

500
00:35:06,493 --> 00:35:10,173
Speaker 4: be infinite energy emitted from any warm body. It was

501
00:35:10,213 --> 00:35:15,413
Speaker 4: called the ultra violet catastrophe. And so it was clearly absurd.

502
00:35:15,493 --> 00:35:20,533
Speaker 4: That wasn't absurd, but nobody quite understood what was wrong

503
00:35:20,693 --> 00:35:26,093
Speaker 4: with the theories of classical physics. And Max Planck, a

504
00:35:26,173 --> 00:35:31,053
Speaker 4: German physicist, was the one who finally recognized that if

505
00:35:31,093 --> 00:35:35,613
Speaker 4: you assume that radiation has to be emitted in little

506
00:35:35,813 --> 00:35:39,893
Speaker 4: quantsa discrete amounts of energy, it can't be infinitely small

507
00:35:40,253 --> 00:35:43,293
Speaker 4: that you could solve this problem. So the problem was

508
00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:47,093
Speaker 4: that radiation was quantized, and then it turned out that

509
00:35:47,133 --> 00:35:50,653
Speaker 4: all sorts of other things were quantized, not just radiation,

510
00:35:51,453 --> 00:35:54,013
Speaker 4: you know what we would call photons today, but also

511
00:35:54,133 --> 00:35:59,653
Speaker 4: the motions of electrons and atoms or protons and nuclei.

512
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:05,253
Speaker 4: And so that really was a turning point in our

513
00:36:05,533 --> 00:36:09,053
Speaker 4: understanding of physics. And it was all due to Marx Plank.

514
00:36:10,093 --> 00:36:12,973
Speaker 4: It was early nineteen hundreds when he finally published his

515
00:36:13,093 --> 00:36:16,693
Speaker 4: paper pointing this out, and nothing has ever been the

516
00:36:16,693 --> 00:36:22,173
Speaker 4: same since. He was a great man. His son was

517
00:36:23,053 --> 00:36:28,093
Speaker 4: executed by the Nazis for supposedly being an enemy of Hitler.

518
00:36:29,013 --> 00:36:32,253
Speaker 4: I'm sure he was. Anyone with common sense would have been.

519
00:36:33,373 --> 00:36:37,853
Speaker 4: But Marx Plank's name will be up there with Isaac

520
00:36:37,933 --> 00:36:42,133
Speaker 4: Newton and Galileo for as long as people are around,

521
00:36:42,213 --> 00:36:43,693
Speaker 4: and remember history.

522
00:36:45,133 --> 00:36:48,133
Speaker 3: Shame there aren't more. When we had to drop out

523
00:36:48,173 --> 00:36:51,733
Speaker 3: a short while ago, I was I was. I made

524
00:36:51,773 --> 00:36:56,533
Speaker 3: mention of nit zero because it was in the headline

525
00:36:56,573 --> 00:36:58,853
Speaker 3: that that I that I read a couple of times

526
00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:05,013
Speaker 3: net zero will do major damage to the citizens of

527
00:37:05,013 --> 00:37:07,933
Speaker 3: the planet. How does that work?

528
00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:12,173
Speaker 4: Well, you know that zero means that you have to

529
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:15,453
Speaker 4: get rid of all coal fired plants. You have to

530
00:37:15,493 --> 00:37:21,613
Speaker 4: get rid of natural gas oil and replace them with

531
00:37:22,533 --> 00:37:27,573
Speaker 4: solar panels and wind turbines. And we can already see

532
00:37:27,573 --> 00:37:31,213
Speaker 4: where that's leading. If you look at countries like Germany

533
00:37:31,253 --> 00:37:34,653
Speaker 4: and Denmark and the United Kingdom, which have lots of

534
00:37:34,693 --> 00:37:38,733
Speaker 4: wind turbines, the cost of electricity is going through the roof.

535
00:37:38,893 --> 00:37:42,173
Speaker 4: You know, many people are in energy poverty, they can't

536
00:37:42,213 --> 00:37:46,133
Speaker 4: afford to heat their homes in the winter. Industry is

537
00:37:47,373 --> 00:37:52,853
Speaker 4: running away from those countries, you know, closing down factories,

538
00:37:52,933 --> 00:37:58,893
Speaker 4: people are out of work, and moving productive capacity into

539
00:37:59,173 --> 00:38:05,253
Speaker 4: countries with common sense, like China, India, where people still

540
00:38:06,653 --> 00:38:13,253
Speaker 4: believe that you need a prosperous population and you need inexpensive,

541
00:38:13,733 --> 00:38:17,733
Speaker 4: reliable energy. So what you get from that zero is

542
00:38:17,973 --> 00:38:25,453
Speaker 4: extremely expensive, very unreliable energy, and poverty and misery, unemployment.

543
00:38:26,013 --> 00:38:28,813
Speaker 4: You know, who needs that?

544
00:38:28,853 --> 00:38:30,653
Speaker 3: Who needs it? Quite right?

545
00:38:31,373 --> 00:38:33,693
Speaker 4: I mean, what's worse about it laden is it actually

546
00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:38,853
Speaker 4: is harmful to the environment. You know, I don't know

547
00:38:39,453 --> 00:38:42,333
Speaker 4: about New Zealand, but around here, I look at these

548
00:38:42,373 --> 00:38:46,133
Speaker 4: fields covered with black solar panels. You know, it used

549
00:38:46,173 --> 00:38:49,773
Speaker 4: to be beautiful green fields and now there's these miserable panels.

550
00:38:49,773 --> 00:38:53,933
Speaker 4: It's not helping the environment at all. It's actually making

551
00:38:53,973 --> 00:38:57,093
Speaker 4: things worse. And we have these bird chopping windmills you know,

552
00:38:57,213 --> 00:39:00,453
Speaker 4: that require a lot of space and drive people crazy

553
00:39:00,493 --> 00:39:05,613
Speaker 4: as they go, you know, and so there's nothing good

554
00:39:05,613 --> 00:39:06,133
Speaker 4: about it.

555
00:39:07,213 --> 00:39:11,173
Speaker 3: Well, seeing you've raised the that aspect of it, both

556
00:39:11,213 --> 00:39:14,653
Speaker 3: here and in Australia, there's there's a war going on

557
00:39:16,013 --> 00:39:18,173
Speaker 3: and it's greater in Australia at the moment than here,

558
00:39:18,333 --> 00:39:22,533
Speaker 3: but I'll cover that in a second. Here we have

559
00:39:22,933 --> 00:39:26,053
Speaker 3: we have a government that is doing some very good things,

560
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:30,693
Speaker 3: but they're doing some well, let's just say, there's a

561
00:39:30,733 --> 00:39:34,053
Speaker 3: lot getting past them. And one of those things is

562
00:39:34,253 --> 00:39:37,333
Speaker 3: matters to do with climate and there is no way

563
00:39:37,933 --> 00:39:42,693
Speaker 3: politicians who are who are in charge of these particular areas,

564
00:39:42,733 --> 00:39:47,373
Speaker 3: like the Minister for Climate Change, simply will not engage

565
00:39:47,493 --> 00:39:50,973
Speaker 3: in any any sort of I mean, he wouldn't come

566
00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:57,053
Speaker 3: to your speech, your presentation, and he'd simply he'd simply say, well,

567
00:39:57,053 --> 00:40:00,693
Speaker 3: I won't put words in his mouth. But you understand

568
00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:04,613
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. They don't want to know in spite,

569
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:09,213
Speaker 3: in spite of what we've been experienced seeing in very

570
00:40:09,253 --> 00:40:16,853
Speaker 3: recent times and learning that this is a load of crape.

571
00:40:16,933 --> 00:40:18,733
Speaker 3: In fact, that's what I call. That's what I call

572
00:40:18,813 --> 00:40:22,333
Speaker 3: that most recent international meeting. It's not cop it's crap

573
00:40:22,413 --> 00:40:26,933
Speaker 3: thirty right, that's right. And to think that Adelaide in

574
00:40:27,013 --> 00:40:31,053
Speaker 3: South Australia and their minister Bowen, and he's the one

575
00:40:31,093 --> 00:40:34,453
Speaker 3: that I'm targeting here at the moment is just is

576
00:40:34,533 --> 00:40:37,213
Speaker 3: just a fool of the first order, but a very

577
00:40:37,333 --> 00:40:41,613
Speaker 3: very aggressive fool. He's an idiot. But I won't ask

578
00:40:41,653 --> 00:40:43,333
Speaker 3: for your opinion, you may not care to give it.

579
00:40:43,933 --> 00:40:47,333
Speaker 3: So if you had the opportunity, what would you say

580
00:40:47,413 --> 00:40:53,213
Speaker 3: to a government minister in charge of this particular area who,

581
00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:56,813
Speaker 3: as I've just explained, doesn't want to know.

582
00:40:57,733 --> 00:41:03,533
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's very very hard to convince someone.

583
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:07,333
Speaker 4: You know, a man convinced against his will is of

584
00:41:07,373 --> 00:41:10,013
Speaker 4: the same opinions. Still, you know the old proverb and

585
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:15,013
Speaker 4: it's completely true. A big problem is none of these

586
00:41:15,053 --> 00:41:20,093
Speaker 4: people know any science. You know, it's a religious belief

587
00:41:20,133 --> 00:41:23,613
Speaker 4: for them. For some of them, the more sincere ones,

588
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:27,173
Speaker 4: it's a religious belief, and the less sincere ones are

589
00:41:27,213 --> 00:41:31,173
Speaker 4: if you really start following the money, you'll find that

590
00:41:31,173 --> 00:41:33,653
Speaker 4: they're making a lot of money out of it. So

591
00:41:34,053 --> 00:41:40,693
Speaker 4: it's an unholy alliance between opportunists who are earning huge

592
00:41:40,733 --> 00:41:45,813
Speaker 4: amounts of ill gotten gains and true believers who think

593
00:41:45,853 --> 00:41:51,813
Speaker 4: they're saving the planet. I often say it's a combination

594
00:41:51,973 --> 00:41:55,853
Speaker 4: of a religious cult and organized crime. It's a protection racket.

595
00:41:55,933 --> 00:41:58,613
Speaker 4: You know, we're going to protect the planet. You know,

596
00:41:58,773 --> 00:42:01,733
Speaker 4: you have to join us in protecting the planet. The

597
00:42:01,773 --> 00:42:03,933
Speaker 4: planet is more important than you are. You know, if

598
00:42:03,933 --> 00:42:06,933
Speaker 4: we have to protect the planet or worry about you,

599
00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:11,293
Speaker 4: to help with you. And so that's what we're facing with.

600
00:42:11,933 --> 00:42:13,933
Speaker 4: It's an old trick. It's been going on for a

601
00:42:13,973 --> 00:42:14,533
Speaker 4: long time.

602
00:42:14,973 --> 00:42:18,013
Speaker 3: Would you say that, would you say that the effect

603
00:42:18,053 --> 00:42:26,173
Speaker 3: that America and China and India and Russia is having

604
00:42:26,453 --> 00:42:28,653
Speaker 3: none of them turned up for any of these conferences.

605
00:42:29,293 --> 00:42:33,733
Speaker 3: And the suggestion was that the one in the one

606
00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:38,413
Speaker 3: in Brazil, right, The suggestion was that the conference in

607
00:42:38,453 --> 00:42:43,933
Speaker 3: Brazil would be arguably the last one ever. I don't

608
00:42:43,973 --> 00:42:46,693
Speaker 3: think it will be. What do you say, well.

609
00:42:46,533 --> 00:42:50,053
Speaker 4: I agree. You know, there's this enormous enterprise that has

610
00:42:50,133 --> 00:42:54,533
Speaker 4: been generated over the last fifty years, huge numbers of

611
00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:58,213
Speaker 4: people who make their living, you know, from climate alarmism,

612
00:42:59,213 --> 00:43:01,893
Speaker 4: and you can't get rid of that overnight. You know,

613
00:43:02,613 --> 00:43:07,053
Speaker 4: even if you get governments to remove the funding because

614
00:43:07,093 --> 00:43:11,453
Speaker 4: the voters won't support any longer. There are very wealthy foundations,

615
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,173
Speaker 4: you know. They are the likes of George sous in

616
00:43:14,213 --> 00:43:17,933
Speaker 4: my country, you know, and other billionaires who will keep

617
00:43:17,973 --> 00:43:20,333
Speaker 4: it going for some time, but they will run out

618
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:21,853
Speaker 4: of money eventually.

619
00:43:22,933 --> 00:43:26,693
Speaker 3: Yes, they will. There is one other area that we

620
00:43:26,693 --> 00:43:29,573
Speaker 3: we must cover because you'll be talking about it here,

621
00:43:30,133 --> 00:43:34,613
Speaker 3: so at least, at least briefly, the subject of methane

622
00:43:36,693 --> 00:43:39,733
Speaker 3: was methane Was methane dug up out of out of

623
00:43:39,893 --> 00:43:43,293
Speaker 3: nowhere because CO two wasn't working?

624
00:43:45,853 --> 00:43:50,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's part of it. But you know,

625
00:43:50,093 --> 00:43:52,933
Speaker 4: the people pushing this, you know, the control freaks, as

626
00:43:52,973 --> 00:43:57,613
Speaker 4: I mentioned, they won't complete control of mankind, and so

627
00:43:58,533 --> 00:44:01,893
Speaker 4: methane is a way to clamp down on the farming community.

628
00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:06,533
Speaker 4: In the ranching community, you know, that's where a good

629
00:44:06,533 --> 00:44:09,253
Speaker 4: fraction of the methane in the atmosphere come from, is

630
00:44:09,253 --> 00:44:13,093
Speaker 4: from agriculture. And it's always been there there. You know,

631
00:44:13,133 --> 00:44:17,333
Speaker 4: there have been animal belching methane for as long as

632
00:44:17,373 --> 00:44:21,533
Speaker 4: the world has existed. Dinosaurs probably belch methane. You know,

633
00:44:21,613 --> 00:44:24,693
Speaker 4: that's hard to see how they could possibly have digested

634
00:44:24,733 --> 00:44:29,653
Speaker 4: the vegetation that they ate without producing methane. They're very

635
00:44:29,653 --> 00:44:33,693
Speaker 4: fundamental reasons for that. It has never caused any harm,

636
00:44:34,053 --> 00:44:35,373
Speaker 4: then it won't cause any harm.

637
00:44:35,453 --> 00:44:41,213
Speaker 3: Now, well, am I correct in assuming that humans create

638
00:44:41,253 --> 00:44:42,053
Speaker 3: me sign as well?

639
00:44:44,653 --> 00:44:49,013
Speaker 4: Well, we don't. Humans don't breathe out methane directly. You know,

640
00:44:49,053 --> 00:44:51,213
Speaker 4: we breathe out a lot of CO two. Each of

641
00:44:51,293 --> 00:44:53,613
Speaker 4: us breathes out about two pounds of CO two today

642
00:44:53,693 --> 00:44:58,053
Speaker 4: there's a lot of CO two, and cattle breathe out

643
00:44:58,133 --> 00:45:00,413
Speaker 4: even more CO two. But they also breathe out a

644
00:45:00,413 --> 00:45:04,733
Speaker 4: fair amount of methane, you know, probably a couple pounds

645
00:45:04,773 --> 00:45:06,933
Speaker 4: of methane a day two as well as CO two.

646
00:45:07,893 --> 00:45:12,733
Speaker 4: That's what also their digestive system that is able to

647
00:45:12,773 --> 00:45:16,813
Speaker 4: break down fibers and cellulose. We can't do that. Humans

648
00:45:16,853 --> 00:45:20,533
Speaker 4: can't do that. Most animals can't do that. But because

649
00:45:20,573 --> 00:45:23,333
Speaker 4: of the gut flora and ruminants, they are able to

650
00:45:23,373 --> 00:45:27,453
Speaker 4: do that. But it's essential that in that process they

651
00:45:27,493 --> 00:45:32,093
Speaker 4: have to dump methane overboard. They have to belch methane

652
00:45:32,813 --> 00:45:36,973
Speaker 4: in order to get the food value from the structural carbohydrate.

653
00:45:37,013 --> 00:45:40,893
Speaker 4: So it's probably too technical. Well, they've always been doing that.

654
00:45:40,893 --> 00:45:42,173
Speaker 4: There's nothing new about this.

655
00:45:43,173 --> 00:45:46,013
Speaker 3: I don't want to be vulgar. But what I had

656
00:45:46,053 --> 00:45:48,733
Speaker 3: in mind was, and I realized that I really didn't

657
00:45:48,733 --> 00:45:52,813
Speaker 3: know the answer that expelling gas from the other end

658
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:59,053
Speaker 3: of the of the torso is not methane.

659
00:45:59,493 --> 00:46:01,853
Speaker 4: Well, at least for cattle. Most of the methane is

660
00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,213
Speaker 4: from when they're chewing their cud. You know, if you

661
00:46:04,413 --> 00:46:07,373
Speaker 4: look at how the cut is a little bit frothy,

662
00:46:08,053 --> 00:46:10,933
Speaker 4: and some of that froth is CO two. Some of

663
00:46:10,973 --> 00:46:16,293
Speaker 4: it is methane. But I think the breaking wind, so

664
00:46:16,413 --> 00:46:19,093
Speaker 4: to speak, the wind, I don't think that's not a

665
00:46:19,133 --> 00:46:20,373
Speaker 4: major source of methane.

666
00:46:20,453 --> 00:46:25,253
Speaker 3: All right, With regard to methane or methane, what is

667
00:46:25,333 --> 00:46:28,133
Speaker 3: your methane.

668
00:46:27,533 --> 00:46:31,933
Speaker 4: Is essentially irrelevant to the climates, and the castle that

669
00:46:32,373 --> 00:46:36,333
Speaker 4: belch methane are largely irrelevant too. You know, if you

670
00:46:36,573 --> 00:46:41,173
Speaker 4: killed every cow on Earth, you know, the one and

671
00:46:41,213 --> 00:46:45,533
Speaker 4: a half billion cows, you would reduce the Earth's temperature

672
00:46:45,613 --> 00:46:51,293
Speaker 4: because of stopping methane production by zero point seven centigrade,

673
00:46:51,413 --> 00:46:55,453
Speaker 4: not even a tenth of the centigrade. So the whole

674
00:46:55,493 --> 00:46:59,413
Speaker 4: thing is absurd because the effects on temperature of methane

675
00:46:59,453 --> 00:47:03,373
Speaker 4: from farming are too small to measure, you can just

676
00:47:03,413 --> 00:47:07,493
Speaker 4: barely measure them, and over most of the earth a

677
00:47:07,533 --> 00:47:10,253
Speaker 4: little bit of warm is actually good, not bad.

678
00:47:11,173 --> 00:47:15,253
Speaker 3: Indeed, that's an argument that should be should be dealt with,

679
00:47:15,373 --> 00:47:19,173
Speaker 3: because it shouldn't need an argument, It shouldn't even need discussion.

680
00:47:20,093 --> 00:47:25,133
Speaker 3: And you in an article that you didn't write, written

681
00:47:25,133 --> 00:47:30,533
Speaker 3: by somebody called cap Allen, but it is a pracie

682
00:47:30,533 --> 00:47:36,453
Speaker 3: really of a speech that you made, and in it

683
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:39,693
Speaker 3: it runs thirteen pages that I read it earlier this morning,

684
00:47:40,453 --> 00:47:44,293
Speaker 3: and it's now full of colorings and markings. But it's

685
00:47:44,333 --> 00:47:48,573
Speaker 3: actually a very good piece and summarizes very well where

686
00:47:48,613 --> 00:47:53,333
Speaker 3: you're at, and plenty of others and an increasing number

687
00:47:53,613 --> 00:48:00,213
Speaker 3: I think over time, the greening of the earth. And

688
00:48:00,893 --> 00:48:04,613
Speaker 3: you go into how it's done, et cetera, and how

689
00:48:04,613 --> 00:48:07,853
Speaker 3: it's measured, and then you get to this point, and

690
00:48:07,893 --> 00:48:10,333
Speaker 3: I tell you why I'm in advance, why I'm interested

691
00:48:10,373 --> 00:48:15,613
Speaker 3: in it, because I love Mediterranean pine. Nothing gives me

692
00:48:15,613 --> 00:48:17,933
Speaker 3: a greater thrill than guing to rhyme, for instance, and

693
00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:23,373
Speaker 3: walking through the packs there and experiencing them. This pine tree,

694
00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:29,053
Speaker 3: you say, are reported to say, I believe it's a

695
00:48:29,053 --> 00:48:30,333
Speaker 3: Mediterranean variety.

696
00:48:31,533 --> 00:48:32,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct.

697
00:48:32,653 --> 00:48:34,213
Speaker 3: The elder Rica.

698
00:48:34,853 --> 00:48:38,333
Speaker 4: Is it Eldrica? That's exactly right, Yo. It grows well

699
00:48:38,373 --> 00:48:42,693
Speaker 4: in places like Arizona where those photographs were taken. And

700
00:48:42,733 --> 00:48:48,133
Speaker 4: then you well, let me say, it's common knowledge that

701
00:48:49,133 --> 00:48:53,693
Speaker 4: carbon dioxide is a potent fertilizer, and it's also it

702
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:56,173
Speaker 4: should be common knowledge that there's not enough of it

703
00:48:56,213 --> 00:49:01,693
Speaker 4: in the atmosphere today compared to geological norms over most

704
00:49:01,733 --> 00:49:05,653
Speaker 4: of the geological history of the Earth and the Cambrian

705
00:49:05,733 --> 00:49:08,053
Speaker 4: when we have a good fossil record, CEO two levels

706
00:49:08,053 --> 00:49:11,173
Speaker 4: have been and you know, three times, four times, five

707
00:49:11,253 --> 00:49:14,213
Speaker 4: times greater than they are today, and so plants are

708
00:49:14,253 --> 00:49:17,093
Speaker 4: adapted to much higher CO two levels than we have,

709
00:49:18,173 --> 00:49:23,733
Speaker 4: especially land plants, and so plants are struggling today to

710
00:49:24,093 --> 00:49:27,773
Speaker 4: make a living with these low CO two levels, and

711
00:49:27,853 --> 00:49:32,093
Speaker 4: so it's been a real godsend to plants to have

712
00:49:32,173 --> 00:49:35,453
Speaker 4: this increase of CO two coming from the combustion of

713
00:49:35,573 --> 00:49:38,853
Speaker 4: fossil fuels. We're still a long way from what is

714
00:49:38,933 --> 00:49:43,013
Speaker 4: optimum the plants, greenhouse growers put two or three times

715
00:49:43,013 --> 00:49:45,973
Speaker 4: for CO two in the air of their greenhouses, and

716
00:49:46,053 --> 00:49:50,933
Speaker 4: it's in the air the natural air today just because

717
00:49:50,973 --> 00:49:53,333
Speaker 4: the plants like it so much more and they get

718
00:49:53,373 --> 00:49:57,213
Speaker 4: so much better flowers and fruits and better price for

719
00:49:57,253 --> 00:50:01,093
Speaker 4: their products, and so you can see the earth greening

720
00:50:01,213 --> 00:50:06,893
Speaker 4: from satellite studies. It's possible to measure chlorophyll from a

721
00:50:06,933 --> 00:50:12,813
Speaker 4: satellite because the technology is quite interesting, probably to detail

722
00:50:12,893 --> 00:50:18,133
Speaker 4: for this, but you basically look at a fluorescent emission

723
00:50:18,173 --> 00:50:24,613
Speaker 4: of chlorophyll and the near infrared, and with an appropriate

724
00:50:24,693 --> 00:50:28,893
Speaker 4: trick you can use that to estimate how much chlorophyll

725
00:50:29,053 --> 00:50:32,493
Speaker 4: there is on the surface of the Earth. You use

726
00:50:32,533 --> 00:50:35,733
Speaker 4: sunlight to do that. Yeah, and it's quite clear that

727
00:50:36,733 --> 00:50:39,413
Speaker 4: we're getting more and more chlorophyll every year, and it's

728
00:50:39,413 --> 00:50:42,493
Speaker 4: almost certainly due to the increase in CO two in

729
00:50:42,533 --> 00:50:49,333
Speaker 4: the air from burning fossil fuels. So maybe politicians don't

730
00:50:49,413 --> 00:50:51,613
Speaker 4: like it, but certainly the plants are very grateful to

731
00:50:51,613 --> 00:50:53,293
Speaker 4: have more CEO two to work with.

732
00:50:53,493 --> 00:50:58,973
Speaker 3: Well, there's sometimes more intelligent, yes, indeed. Yeah, all right,

733
00:50:59,533 --> 00:51:03,733
Speaker 3: so on your tour, what are you dressing.

734
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:09,533
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to first point out that farmers should

735
00:51:09,813 --> 00:51:14,133
Speaker 4: and ranchers and livestock raizors should not be embarrassed. They

736
00:51:14,853 --> 00:51:19,053
Speaker 4: actually are one of the few productive, admirable parts of

737
00:51:19,133 --> 00:51:22,933
Speaker 4: the population of the world. They're producing things that keep

738
00:51:23,053 --> 00:51:26,973
Speaker 4: life going as opposed to politicians who do nothing but

739
00:51:27,093 --> 00:51:33,173
Speaker 4: produce trouble and aggravation, wars and misery, So they should

740
00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:36,613
Speaker 4: be proud of themselves. Number one and number two that

741
00:51:36,693 --> 00:51:42,613
Speaker 4: there's no scientic no scientific support for these accusations that

742
00:51:42,933 --> 00:51:47,333
Speaker 4: agriculture is harming the planet or harming the environment. Quite

743
00:51:47,373 --> 00:51:50,853
Speaker 4: the opposite. You know, they're good for the planet and

744
00:51:50,893 --> 00:51:57,493
Speaker 4: good for the environment. But people have to stand up

745
00:51:57,533 --> 00:52:01,253
Speaker 4: for themselves. So I'm hoping that I can stiffen a

746
00:52:01,293 --> 00:52:05,093
Speaker 4: few spines during my tourers through New Zealand. Many of

747
00:52:05,133 --> 00:52:07,973
Speaker 4: them are already quite staff. I'm proud of them, but

748
00:52:08,013 --> 00:52:09,773
Speaker 4: perhaps to get a few.

749
00:52:09,613 --> 00:52:13,693
Speaker 3: More, I would I would think that a lot of

750
00:52:13,693 --> 00:52:20,533
Speaker 3: people would appreciate that. Do you get much assault when

751
00:52:20,533 --> 00:52:22,853
Speaker 3: you're doing questions?

752
00:52:23,213 --> 00:52:28,173
Speaker 4: Uh? No, I've never really had too much problem. You know,

753
00:52:28,213 --> 00:52:33,373
Speaker 4: I like questions on science, and it's very hard to

754
00:52:33,413 --> 00:52:36,413
Speaker 4: find a questionnaire that is willing to go, you know,

755
00:52:36,533 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 4: face to face, would be on the science because you know,

756
00:52:40,133 --> 00:52:44,733
Speaker 4: with all due modesty, I'm a pretty good scientist. You know.

757
00:52:45,053 --> 00:52:49,293
Speaker 4: I'm certainly not a politician, so I'm but that's that's

758
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:51,893
Speaker 4: not where I try to fight my battles. I try

759
00:52:51,933 --> 00:52:54,613
Speaker 4: to fight my battles with the science of climate, which

760
00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:59,973
Speaker 4: is completely reassuring. There is absolutely no danger to the

761
00:53:00,053 --> 00:53:02,013
Speaker 4: climate from humanity.

762
00:53:04,213 --> 00:53:05,933
Speaker 3: As a matter of interest, and I don't want to

763
00:53:05,933 --> 00:53:12,973
Speaker 3: be morbid, but the the best scientists in this area,

764
00:53:13,133 --> 00:53:21,133
Speaker 3: in this arena are now reaching an age where they've

765
00:53:21,133 --> 00:53:26,933
Speaker 3: either departed or they realize that life doesn't go on forever.

766
00:53:27,293 --> 00:53:31,453
Speaker 3: I'm trying to put this delicately. Is there a wave

767
00:53:31,613 --> 00:53:37,773
Speaker 3: coming through behind them, behind you guys, that will take

768
00:53:37,773 --> 00:53:41,853
Speaker 3: over because it seems that it seems that it's restricted

769
00:53:41,893 --> 00:53:48,453
Speaker 3: to those who have finished their university careers, their academic

770
00:53:48,493 --> 00:53:51,693
Speaker 3: careers and are now free to speak out and to

771
00:53:52,173 --> 00:53:56,573
Speaker 3: wage war. So what's your thought. Is there a wave

772
00:53:56,813 --> 00:53:59,653
Speaker 3: of people replacements coming through?

773
00:54:00,573 --> 00:54:03,773
Speaker 4: Yes, I think there is, and I think it will

774
00:54:03,773 --> 00:54:07,733
Speaker 4: get much stronger, especially in countries like the United States,

775
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:14,893
Speaker 4: where you know, government support of hysia has waned quite

776
00:54:14,893 --> 00:54:18,613
Speaker 4: a bit, you know, so you can't make a career

777
00:54:18,693 --> 00:54:25,333
Speaker 4: anymore on government funding by promoting hysyria. And so we're

778
00:54:25,333 --> 00:54:28,493
Speaker 4: beginning to see the results of that. For example, just recently,

779
00:54:29,293 --> 00:54:32,053
Speaker 4: a number of signists who are much younger than I

780
00:54:32,133 --> 00:54:36,933
Speaker 4: am put together what's called the Monterey Declaration. You can

781
00:54:36,973 --> 00:54:41,133
Speaker 4: probably find it on the internet, but it's pointing out that,

782
00:54:42,253 --> 00:54:45,013
Speaker 4: you know, many of the things that are being promoted

783
00:54:45,053 --> 00:54:50,613
Speaker 4: by climate alarmists are profoundly damaging to the environment, and

784
00:54:50,693 --> 00:54:56,533
Speaker 4: how geoengineering, you know, it's absolutely lunacy. And these are

785
00:54:56,533 --> 00:54:59,173
Speaker 4: mostly fairly young people, you know. I was happy to

786
00:54:59,253 --> 00:55:02,413
Speaker 4: sign the Moderey Declaration, but most of the signers are

787
00:55:02,813 --> 00:55:06,373
Speaker 4: twenty thirty forty years younger than I am. And I

788
00:55:06,413 --> 00:55:10,333
Speaker 4: think that in will continue well.

789
00:55:11,853 --> 00:55:14,573
Speaker 3: I can only say that those who go to your

790
00:55:14,813 --> 00:55:20,533
Speaker 3: presentations will benefit extremely well from them, and I hope,

791
00:55:20,893 --> 00:55:22,933
Speaker 3: I hope that there is a huge turnout for you

792
00:55:23,013 --> 00:55:26,253
Speaker 3: wherever you go in the country. And I want to

793
00:55:26,253 --> 00:55:28,773
Speaker 3: thank you for and I've got no connection with it,

794
00:55:28,813 --> 00:55:30,653
Speaker 3: but I want to thank you for making the trip

795
00:55:30,733 --> 00:55:32,293
Speaker 3: down because it's.

796
00:55:32,173 --> 00:55:37,653
Speaker 4: Not those One last issue is I didn't realize that

797
00:55:38,973 --> 00:55:41,853
Speaker 4: you need a visa to get a New Zealand. So

798
00:55:41,893 --> 00:55:44,093
Speaker 4: as soon as we hang up, I'm going online to

799
00:55:44,133 --> 00:55:46,653
Speaker 4: try and get a visa. Time to catch my flight?

800
00:55:47,213 --> 00:55:50,453
Speaker 3: Well, I better, I better get off the phone that

801
00:55:51,333 --> 00:55:53,733
Speaker 3: you've got time and don't and don't miss your plane.

802
00:55:54,373 --> 00:55:59,133
Speaker 3: But like I said at the beginning, welcome in advance

803
00:55:59,613 --> 00:56:03,053
Speaker 3: from from this podcast, and may you have a very

804
00:56:03,093 --> 00:56:07,053
Speaker 3: successful and enjoyable tour. I know the people looking after

805
00:56:07,093 --> 00:56:10,373
Speaker 3: you are determined to do a very fine job.

806
00:56:11,453 --> 00:56:14,053
Speaker 4: Well, thanks Satan, I'm looking forward to you guys.

807
00:56:14,093 --> 00:56:30,213
Speaker 2: Hid thank you, sir, okay, goodbye.

808
00:56:32,733 --> 00:56:36,133
Speaker 3: As I said, what is to follow is the full

809
00:56:36,173 --> 00:56:42,213
Speaker 3: program for doctor Happer as he tours the country. Firstly,

810
00:56:42,293 --> 00:56:45,893
Speaker 3: what will he cover. Doctor Happer will cover how greenhouse

811
00:56:45,893 --> 00:56:51,333
Speaker 3: gases actually influence temperatures, why current methane policies may be

812
00:56:51,373 --> 00:56:56,053
Speaker 3: scientifically flawed, and what this means for the future of

813
00:56:56,093 --> 00:57:01,733
Speaker 3: New Zealand's pastoral sector. The program has been put together specifically,

814
00:57:02,213 --> 00:57:07,133
Speaker 3: but not entirely, for those in the agricultural area one

815
00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:10,893
Speaker 3: way or the other, and they are the ones who

816
00:57:10,893 --> 00:57:13,253
Speaker 3: will get most out of it, of course, but anybody

817
00:57:13,333 --> 00:57:16,133
Speaker 3: who is interested can go to as far as I'm aware,

818
00:57:16,213 --> 00:57:18,893
Speaker 3: can go to any of these Any of these functions

819
00:57:19,373 --> 00:57:23,693
Speaker 3: begins on Thursday, the fourth of fourth of December, and

820
00:57:24,253 --> 00:57:29,493
Speaker 3: it's being held in Clevedon at four pm at number two.

821
00:57:29,973 --> 00:57:33,253
Speaker 3: Kumi Kumi way, k u m e k u m

822
00:57:33,333 --> 00:57:36,533
Speaker 3: e way. And that's actually the best that I can

823
00:57:36,813 --> 00:57:39,133
Speaker 3: that I can provide you with then the next day,

824
00:57:39,253 --> 00:57:43,933
Speaker 3: Friday the fifth, in Waikato Hamilton Jet Park Conference Center

825
00:57:44,493 --> 00:57:48,293
Speaker 3: at the Airport at seven pm. Hamilton Jet Park Conference

826
00:57:48,293 --> 00:57:52,173
Speaker 3: Center at the Airport seven pm. Saturday the sixth in

827
00:57:52,333 --> 00:57:58,933
Speaker 3: Tapo at Suncourt Hotel fourteen Northcroft Street at three thirty pm.

828
00:57:59,413 --> 00:58:03,213
Speaker 3: Sun Court Hotel, fourteen Northcraft Street in Tapo. At three

829
00:58:03,253 --> 00:58:09,133
Speaker 3: point thirty Sunday the seventh, Hawk's Bay, Havelock North, George's

830
00:58:09,173 --> 00:58:11,853
Speaker 3: Restaurant two more that'll be a placed to go at

831
00:58:12,213 --> 00:58:16,053
Speaker 3: two point thirty. Now that's been updated from twelve o'clock,

832
00:58:16,093 --> 00:58:18,333
Speaker 3: so it's no longer twelve o'clock. Obviously, it's at two

833
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:22,133
Speaker 3: point thirty Saint George's Restaurant, Havelocked North. Now, each one

834
00:58:22,173 --> 00:58:25,373
Speaker 3: of these has an attachment to it, an email attachment

835
00:58:25,933 --> 00:58:28,893
Speaker 3: that you can respond to. But I can't go dishing

836
00:58:28,933 --> 00:58:35,293
Speaker 3: them all out. That's the problem. Monday the eighth Masterton

837
00:58:36,573 --> 00:58:42,693
Speaker 3: Slash Wellington, Masterton at one thirty one to order order

838
00:58:43,093 --> 00:58:45,653
Speaker 3: road and I have a feeling I didn't pronounce that correctly.

839
00:58:45,733 --> 00:58:48,813
Speaker 3: But one thirty one day order order road at twelve

840
00:58:49,133 --> 00:58:55,093
Speaker 3: midday and that's at Kensley Agvets in Marsterton. Tuesday, the

841
00:58:55,253 --> 00:59:00,573
Speaker 3: ninth in Wellington at Parliament Actually, and I'm not sure

842
00:59:00,613 --> 00:59:06,413
Speaker 3: that that's not just for parliamentarians. For Wednesday the tenth

843
00:59:06,853 --> 00:59:10,693
Speaker 3: in christ Church, Sudima Hotel at five hundred and fifty

844
00:59:10,853 --> 00:59:16,173
Speaker 3: Memorial Avenue, Sudema Hotel, five fifty Memorial Avenue at one pm.

845
00:59:16,813 --> 00:59:22,733
Speaker 3: Wednesday the tenth, Timaru filap Raceway Grayway Lounge at seven

846
00:59:22,853 --> 00:59:27,293
Speaker 3: thirty pm. Filap Raceway Greyway Lounge in Timaru at seven

847
00:59:27,373 --> 00:59:32,533
Speaker 3: thirty pm. Thursday the eleventh, in Duneton, it's a rest day.

848
00:59:32,933 --> 00:59:35,693
Speaker 3: I'd say that actually, after the program that I've just

849
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:39,373
Speaker 3: read out, he deserves a rest day. Friday the twelfth,

850
00:59:39,413 --> 00:59:45,533
Speaker 3: Belclus Slash Gore Belclosa Town and Country Club in Yarmouth Street,

851
00:59:45,773 --> 00:59:49,693
Speaker 3: one thirty pm. Belcluster Town and Country Club, Yarmouth Street,

852
00:59:50,013 --> 00:59:56,133
Speaker 3: one thirty pm and Gore RSA Bowler Avenue at seven

853
00:59:56,253 --> 01:00:01,613
Speaker 3: thirty pm. Gore RSA Bowler Avenue seven thirty And then

854
01:00:01,693 --> 01:00:06,893
Speaker 3: finally Saturday, the thirteenth of December and Monica Good Place

855
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Speaker 3: to Finish Community Hub at thirty four McDougall Street at

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Speaker 3: one o'clock one pm. Wanaka Community Hub, thirty four McDougall Street,

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Speaker 3: one pm I'm asking you to, if you are at

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Speaker 3: all able to go to any of those talks from

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Speaker 3: doctor Happer, to please attend. Why Because I'd like to

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Speaker 3: see a good turnout in this country. Had it in Australia,

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see it here, and I think there

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Speaker 3: is I don't. It doesn't matter how much you think

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Speaker 3: you know at the moment, and I include myself here.

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Speaker 3: There is much you can learn from doctor will Happer.

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Speaker 3: He also has quite a good sense of humor when

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Speaker 3: he's delivering. When he's delivering and utilizing the screen, So

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Speaker 3: do it, enjoy it, learn from it, and take people

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Speaker 3: with you if you can. I went to the mail

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Speaker 3: room for number three hundred and thirteen, missus producer at

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Speaker 3: the end of the year closeth in.

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Speaker 5: I know where's it gone?

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Speaker 3: Later down the tubes of time as always, it's very

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Speaker 3: fall down there. Would you like to lead m Yes.

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Speaker 5: I will, Chris, says Lord David Wilson, and three eleven

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Speaker 5: was puzzled as to why our values aren't being fought

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Speaker 5: for and strongly defended. This is because we haven't clearly

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Speaker 5: codified them, so there's nothing tangible to fight for. Whenever

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Speaker 5: a value is highlighted by a lone individual, it is

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Speaker 5: quickly shot down as racist, old fashioned, hateful, or undemocratic.

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Speaker 5: In short, our society now has nothing left to stand on.

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Speaker 5: We've become so afraid of offending our enemies they no

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Speaker 5: longer need to fight us. King Solomon observe that wounds

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Speaker 5: from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy makes

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Speaker 5: you comfortable. When our highest aim is personal comfort, our

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Speaker 5: enemy will hand that to us on a plate until

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Speaker 5: we're so weak that we can't fight back. The winner

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Speaker 5: in this fighter is the one who can clearly articulate

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Speaker 5: the most hopeful values and withstand the greatest temporary discomfort

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Speaker 5: while doing so.

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Speaker 3: That's from Chris. Excellent, Thank you Chris. Now this one

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01:02:35,533 --> 01:02:41,453
Speaker 3: refers to the John Elcock discussion, and it reads like

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Speaker 3: this just listened. Wow. Frighteningly informative, totally resonates, very thorough,

893
01:02:49,013 --> 01:02:52,813
Speaker 3: believable on every level. Should be a major warning shot

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Speaker 3: across everyone's bow. I'll be forwarding the link to a

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Speaker 3: few I know who will be so interested. Regards from Evan.

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Speaker 3: Evan appreciate it greatly, Thank you, and let's have more

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Speaker 3: of that.

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Speaker 5: Leaden Jin says for people who think that You've got

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Speaker 5: nothing to hide, got nothing to fear. I believe John

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Speaker 5: Alcock has a terrifying wake up call for them when

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01:03:14,133 --> 01:03:16,693
Speaker 5: he said, you should be afraid of the things they

902
01:03:16,733 --> 01:03:18,813
Speaker 5: want to get you for, because they will just make

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Speaker 5: it up. In the age of AI, deep fakes have

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Speaker 5: real world consequences. In May twenty twenty three, a deep

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01:03:26,213 --> 01:03:30,933
Speaker 5: fake Pentagon explosion went viral within minutes and was immediately

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Speaker 5: reported by mainstream media, causing a short dip in the

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Speaker 5: US stock market. In the same year, a deep fake

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Speaker 5: video call from a CEO instructed an employee to transfer

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Speaker 5: thirty five million to a specific list of accounts, only

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Speaker 5: to vanish in thin air. In March twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 5: deep fake images depicting Donald Trump being forcefully arrested caused

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Speaker 5: a frenzy of real public outrage and confusion. Sure today

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Speaker 5: we're on the cusp of embracing robots, algorithms, and cbdc's.

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Speaker 5: If we thought that we have inadvertently exposed much more

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Speaker 5: of our privacy than we'd like to Google, Facebook, and Instagram,

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Speaker 5: We're about to expose much much more when we willingly

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Speaker 5: clone ourselves on the internet with AI, our thoughts, our voice,

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Speaker 5: our looks and our works. Over use of AI reduces

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Speaker 5: the perceived value of our soul. Perhaps computer scientist Steve

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Speaker 5: Polyac was right when he said, before we work on

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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence, why don't we do something about natural stupidity?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a thick and beautiful That's good, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: From Steve to Here is such a respected and authoritative

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Speaker 3: medical figure as emeritus Professor Robert Clancy talking about the

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Speaker 3: orchestrated COVID catastrophe on this week's podcast this goes back

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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks. It was a hugely welcome and

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Speaker 3: important breath of fresier news talks. NB is, after all

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Speaker 3: mainstream media, and I for one, have never heard such

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Speaker 3: an expose of the truth from any such media. He

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Speaker 3: mentioned so many things of relevance to the decline of

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Speaker 3: the medical profession, but I particularly welcomed your reference to

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Speaker 3: Ashley Bloomfield and Professor Clancy's citation read the Japanese study

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Speaker 3: of twenty million people comparing health outcomes between vaccinated and

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Speaker 3: unvaccinated populations. Despite endless efforts via FIA requests and other avenues,

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Speaker 3: the New Zealand Ministry of Health refuses to divulge such information.

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Speaker 3: Can there be any justifiable reason for such a stance.

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01:05:39,453 --> 01:05:43,373
Speaker 3: The underlying truth is that COVID was one big lie

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Speaker 3: after another, and the powers that be in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: and elsewhere are continuing that lie relentlessly, as it seems,

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Speaker 3: with impunity. Where is the accountability, because accountability is the

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Speaker 3: first step toward ensuring that such an outrage can never

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Speaker 3: happen again. Bes wishes to you both and thanks again.

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Speaker 3: And Steve, I might add, has some appropriate qualifications to

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Speaker 3: write Leighton.

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Speaker 5: Another one from Steve, and he sang, after the event,

946
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Speaker 5: I hope you're going to be able to have the

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Speaker 5: opportunity to interview Will Happa, who's coming here at the

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Speaker 5: invitation of the Methane Science Accord. I would have hoped

949
01:06:21,533 --> 01:06:23,893
Speaker 5: that even the most died in the wall media entities

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Speaker 5: would not be able to ignore the presence of such

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Speaker 5: an acclaimed authority in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: That's from Steve. Now this one is this one's a

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Speaker 3: bit tricky. Z Let me read its been sent to

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Speaker 3: me by somebody who had it sent to them. Great

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Speaker 3: feedback from a successful, well informed, good friend of mine,

956
01:06:43,053 --> 01:06:48,373
Speaker 3: says Jim. And David wrote to Jim and said that

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Speaker 3: last podcast by Layton with Professor Clancy was beyond being excellent.

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01:06:53,253 --> 01:06:56,613
Speaker 3: The truth is slowly coming out. The lies and deceit

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01:06:56,933 --> 01:07:00,893
Speaker 3: are incredible. Some though we'll never accept the real scientific truth.

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Speaker 3: David spot On, you didn't need too many words to

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Speaker 3: make that point. And there's one more I think I

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Speaker 3: might squeeze in if you don't mind. From Brett, I'd

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Speaker 3: like to put forward Brian Leyland, Michael Kelly and Katherine

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Speaker 3: Porter for the top rolls. Read the energy portfolio and

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Speaker 3: simply delete the net zero carbon policies and related taxation

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01:07:25,893 --> 01:07:28,773
Speaker 3: while we're at it, which is required to straighten out

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Speaker 3: this country. Let them loose with a free hand to

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Speaker 3: solve New Zealand's energy issues in all aspects. Is the

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01:07:36,093 --> 01:07:39,933
Speaker 3: bold action we need. The consumer and economy would benefit greatly.

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01:07:40,293 --> 01:07:43,653
Speaker 3: These people know what they're about and bring the global

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Speaker 3: expertise of the energy sector, understanding of the problems and

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Speaker 3: the solutions to the job. If you want something done,

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Speaker 3: well put those that know what they are doing in charge.

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Speaker 3: I have already told the government, says Brett. I've already

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01:08:00,973 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 3: told the government to fire the current Energy Minister. Shane

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01:08:05,733 --> 01:08:08,573
Speaker 3: Jones might be worth keeping on if he can work

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Speaker 3: with and support the above appointments, and he concludes with

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01:08:11,933 --> 01:08:14,133
Speaker 3: Don Brash did a sound job of the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 3: in his time, and maybe a contender and level head

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01:08:17,053 --> 01:08:21,853
Speaker 3: for the financial portfolio if you know someone equally suitable

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Speaker 3: for the supportive role. Brett, thank you appreciate it. And

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Speaker 3: that's the mail room for I think the second last

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Speaker 3: podcast of the year, missus producer. You got to be

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01:08:32,853 --> 01:08:33,533
Speaker 3: here for the final.

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Speaker 5: Oh look, I'm contracted.

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Speaker 3: Well it's either without you here, it's just the final.

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01:08:39,293 --> 01:08:40,813
Speaker 3: With you here, it's the grand Final.

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01:08:40,973 --> 01:08:43,613
Speaker 5: Oh, Layton, you're such a sweet talker.

989
01:08:45,013 --> 01:08:59,813
Speaker 3: I practice every day you do. Layton Smith now in

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Speaker 3: conclusion of Podcasts three hundred and thirteen, jeez, I could

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01:09:04,733 --> 01:09:07,333
Speaker 3: have done so much here, could have included so much,

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01:09:07,773 --> 01:09:10,413
Speaker 3: but I've elected to quote from a release that was

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01:09:10,493 --> 01:09:15,573
Speaker 3: made on July nineteen, twenty twenty four, published by Richard Linsden,

994
01:09:15,773 --> 01:09:20,013
Speaker 3: the Professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences Emeritus, Massachusetts

995
01:09:20,013 --> 01:09:25,333
Speaker 3: Institute of Technology, and William Happer, Professor of Physics Emeritus,

996
01:09:25,413 --> 01:09:29,653
Speaker 3: Princeton University. The United States and countries worldwide are vigorously

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01:09:29,693 --> 01:09:34,813
Speaker 3: pursuing regulations and subsidies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions to

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01:09:35,133 --> 01:09:38,773
Speaker 3: net zero by twenty fifty on the assumption best stated

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Speaker 3: by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the IPCC that

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01:09:43,973 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 3: the quote evidence is clear that carbon dioxide CO two

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01:09:49,773 --> 01:09:53,093
Speaker 3: is the main driver of climate change close quote and

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01:09:53,413 --> 01:09:57,253
Speaker 3: is responsible for more than fifty percent of the change.

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Speaker 3: Very confident sort of statement, you'd say. The authors go on,

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Speaker 3: we are career physicists with a special expertise in radiation physics,

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01:10:06,773 --> 01:10:10,973
Speaker 3: which describes how COO of hex heat flow in Earth's atmosphere.

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01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:15,093
Speaker 3: The physics of carbon dioxide is that cotwo's ability to

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01:10:15,173 --> 01:10:19,093
Speaker 3: warm the planet is determined by its ability to absorb heat,

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01:10:19,653 --> 01:10:25,013
Speaker 3: which decreases rapidly as CO two's concentration in the atmosphere increases.

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Speaker 3: This scientific fact about CO two changes everything about the

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01:10:29,653 --> 01:10:32,933
Speaker 3: common view of CO two and climate change. They continue,

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01:10:33,253 --> 01:10:37,093
Speaker 3: carbon dioxide is now a weak greenhouse gas at today's

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01:10:37,093 --> 01:10:40,333
Speaker 3: CO two concentration in the atmosphere of approximately four hundred

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01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:43,493
Speaker 3: and twenty parts per million. Additional amounts of CO two

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01:10:43,653 --> 01:10:48,173
Speaker 3: have little ability to absorb heat, and therefore is now

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01:10:48,333 --> 01:10:52,933
Speaker 3: a weak greenhouse gas. At higher concentrations in the future,

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01:10:53,093 --> 01:10:56,173
Speaker 3: the ability of future increases to warm the planet will

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Speaker 3: be even smaller. This also means that the common assumption

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01:11:00,973 --> 01:11:04,373
Speaker 3: that carbon dioxide is the main driver of climate change

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01:11:04,493 --> 01:11:10,413
Speaker 3: is scientifically false. The implications referring to additional atmospheric CO

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01:11:10,653 --> 01:11:15,933
Speaker 3: two as carbon pollution is complete nonsense. More CO two

1021
01:11:16,053 --> 01:11:19,773
Speaker 3: does no harm. Quite the contrary, it does two good

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Speaker 3: things for humanity. Number One, it provides a slight and

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01:11:24,373 --> 01:11:29,933
Speaker 3: beneficial increase in temperature, much less than natural fluctuations. And secondly,

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Speaker 3: it creates more food for people worldwide, which we cover

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Speaker 3: further below under the sub of implications. First, net zero

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01:11:40,333 --> 01:11:43,973
Speaker 3: efforts will have a trivial effect on temperature. More of

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01:11:43,973 --> 01:11:47,093
Speaker 3: the atmospheric greenhouse gas CO two will increase temperature, but

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01:11:47,173 --> 01:11:52,133
Speaker 3: only slightly. How changes in atmospheric greenhouse gases effect radiation

1029
01:11:52,293 --> 01:11:57,013
Speaker 3: transfer are described by precise physical equations that have never

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01:11:57,133 --> 01:12:01,013
Speaker 3: failed to describe observations of the real world. We applied

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01:12:01,053 --> 01:12:04,053
Speaker 3: these formulas to the massive efforts by the US and

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Speaker 3: worldwide to reduce CO two emissions to net zero by

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Speaker 3: twenty fifty. In a paper that we recommend to those

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01:12:10,813 --> 01:12:13,933
Speaker 3: with a technical background, we show that all the efforts

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Speaker 3: to achieve net zero emissions of carbon dioxide, if fully implemented,

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01:12:18,133 --> 01:12:22,173
Speaker 3: will have a trivial effect on temperature. They then enclose

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Speaker 3: figures for the US net zero by twenty fifty and

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Speaker 3: the worldwide net zero twenty fifty, which are too difficult

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Speaker 3: to convey this way. These numbers, they say, are trivial,

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Speaker 3: but the cost of achieving them would be disastrous to

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Speaker 3: people worldwide. So all the above was the first implication.

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Speaker 3: The second implication net zero policies will be disastrous for

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01:12:44,213 --> 01:12:49,253
Speaker 3: people worldwide. In the United States and worldwide, net zero

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Speaker 3: regulations and subsidies will have disastrous effects. Chief among them

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Speaker 3: would be the proposed elimination of fossil fuels, which would

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Speaker 3: mean doing away with the internal combustion engines for transportation

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Speaker 3: and other uses, the power plants that provide most of

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Speaker 3: the world's electricity, gas, space heaters, and cooking stoves, and

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Speaker 3: the feedstock for nitrogen fertilizers that enable the feeding of

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Speaker 3: nearly half the global population. The resulting economic devastation would

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Speaker 3: include massive job losses, which already has occurred in places

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Speaker 3: where net zero subsidies and regulations have diverted capital away

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Speaker 3: from investments into productive assets and into ineffective technologies. Such

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Speaker 3: as wind and solar energy. Those hostile to fossil fuels

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Speaker 3: ignore overwhelmingly evidence that the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide

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Speaker 3: from their combustion has significantly greened earth and boosted crop production.

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Speaker 3: It goes on to nominate some other repercussions or implications,

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Speaker 3: but that will suffice very convincing. What isn't convincing is

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Speaker 3: the attitude of specifically politicians who make the decisions that

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Speaker 3: govern us all sometimes failing to recognize their own ignorance,

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Speaker 3: and that will take us out For podcasts number three

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirteen. It's been an effort, so if you

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Speaker 3: would like to write to us Latent at NEWSTALKSIB dot

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Speaker 3: co dot nz or Carolyn at NEWSTALKSB dot co dot nz.

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Speaker 3: We shall return next week with Podcasts three hundred and fourteen.

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Speaker 3: So until then, as always, thank you for listening and

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