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Speaker 1: To the war where the Coalition to the Willing have

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Speaker 1: held another of these meetings over night. This talk of

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Speaker 1: air support and d mining. I'll come to that in

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Speaker 1: the moment, but it comes after the visit of course

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine by our defenseman as to Judith Collins who

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Speaker 1: was in Key to meet with her Ukrainian counterpart, among

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Speaker 1: other things, and the Judith Collins is with us.

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Speaker 2: Morning our good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Just out of that meeting, Macron said, of the thirty

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Speaker 1: five that were in the meeting overnight, twenty six have

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Speaker 1: committed to troops. Are we one of them?

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Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't in the meeting, and the and so

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Speaker 2: the Primaris very clear that any such commitment would need

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Speaker 2: to go through Template and it hasn't gone through CAMPLT

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Speaker 2: So I can't end any water.

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Speaker 1: Would he be in a position at the meeting if

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Speaker 1: we are one of the twenty six to say, you

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Speaker 1: know due process included where part of it could be

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Speaker 1: part of it or not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think we speculating. The Prime Minster and I

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Speaker 2: have over the last innocence started these meeting and try

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Speaker 2: to attend them and to be part of those discussions.

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Speaker 2: But he's been very clear to me that any such

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Speaker 2: decision would have to go through plevenant. As they said,

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Speaker 2: it hasn't okay.

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Speaker 1: What's your sense of what you saw? Is this thing

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Speaker 1: grinding on forever or is something material going to happen soon?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think the fact that three and a half

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Speaker 2: years into what Russia thought was a three day war

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Speaker 2: tells you that Ukraines are not giving in. They do, however,

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Speaker 2: want to cease far. They do, howevern, want this stopped.

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Speaker 2: They do care about their people, unlike persons, and they

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Speaker 2: do worry that they have people being sorted and as

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Speaker 2: I saw and feared people being killed in residential properties,

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Speaker 2: apartment blocks with missiles coming in bliss, you know, just

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Speaker 2: a falling behavior from Russia, and frankly, war crime after

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Speaker 2: war crime.

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Speaker 1: Yeses anddeed, But that's the problem, isn't it. There was

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Speaker 1: a time when Kiev wasn't hitting, you were relatively safe

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Speaker 1: inm Keev and that's no longer the case, which might

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Speaker 1: indicate that Russia's on the offensive and something needs to happen.

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Speaker 1: Do you get that sense?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think what's really clear is that it was

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Speaker 2: this particular ballistic missile that and I saw some of

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Speaker 2: its handywork and that has been launched fourteen hundreds kilometers away.

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Speaker 2: I think that the Ukrainians are very staunched people. They

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Speaker 2: love the fact that they have support from places as

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Speaker 2: far as wears US. But they are also they have

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Speaker 2: listened to President Trump, They've listened to Presence Metamore and

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Speaker 2: the others involved in discussions, and they want to get

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Speaker 2: this sorted. The problem is so far Lusan has let

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Speaker 2: deadlines go past, and he simply increased what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: He's got troops from more career there now he's clearly

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Speaker 2: supported in the war and many ways by China. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a difficult situation and I think that there's a

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Speaker 2: lot riding on those discussions between the US and the

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Speaker 2: NATO partners. Plus also countries like Australia and ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time trouble well due to the Collins the

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Speaker 1: Defense Minister. So a question obviously for Reluxant on Monday

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Speaker 1: thim somebody doesn't get to him sooner. I would have

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Speaker 1: thought someone would have asked the question by now, given

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Speaker 1: he's in a meeting and maybe we've made a commitment,

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