WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 02 March 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.655 You're listening to The Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp 0:00:10.895 --> 0:00:15.495 from News Talk said by Squeaky Door or Squeaky Floor. 0:00:15.655 --> 0:00:18.975 Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder 0:00:19.215 --> 0:00:20.335 on news Talk Seat. 0:00:20.175 --> 0:00:29.815 By the house sizzle even when it's dark, even when 0:00:29.855 --> 0:00:34.815 the grass is overgrown in the yard, and even when 0:00:34.855 --> 0:00:39.095 the dog is too old to barn, and when you're 0:00:39.095 --> 0:00:45.015 sitting at the table trying not to start scissor hole, 0:00:46.255 --> 0:00:50.175 even when we move again, even. 0:00:49.895 --> 0:00:52.935 When you're therellone. 0:01:03.135 --> 0:01:08.455 House sizzle hol even when there's gone, even when you. 0:01:08.575 --> 0:01:11.095 Go around from the ones you love your mom. 0:01:12.935 --> 0:01:15.255 Scream those broken plans being in. 0:01:15.215 --> 0:01:24.495 Fundom locals Westball when they're gone and living them well. 0:01:24.695 --> 0:01:27.655 Very very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident 0:01:27.655 --> 0:01:30.135 Builder on Sunday here at news Talk c B with 0:01:30.135 --> 0:01:32.615 me Petele worlf Camp, the Resident Builder. So if you've 0:01:32.615 --> 0:01:35.375 got a question of a building nature, you are more 0:01:35.415 --> 0:01:37.855 than welcome to call right now. You can text as well, 0:01:37.855 --> 0:01:40.215 you can even email go through those details in a moment, 0:01:40.255 --> 0:01:43.455 but calls are always best. Welcome to the show, and 0:01:43.495 --> 0:01:45.295 I trust you've had a good week as we are 0:01:45.415 --> 0:01:48.455 writ and down the date, second of March already and 0:01:48.735 --> 0:01:50.535 I'm guessing that there's probably a bunch of people a 0:01:50.575 --> 0:01:53.655 little bit like me, going, oh, I thought I would 0:01:53.655 --> 0:01:56.695 have got that done by now. Maybe you know, now 0:01:56.735 --> 0:01:58.815 we're into March, that's the third month of the year. 0:01:58.975 --> 0:02:01.015 I better get cracking with those projects, and I better 0:02:01.055 --> 0:02:05.215 get cracking with them before inevitably spring or summer that 0:02:05.295 --> 0:02:08.415 turns to autumn, turned to winter, and then that becomes 0:02:08.455 --> 0:02:10.335 the oh, well, I can't do the job now it's 0:02:10.375 --> 0:02:13.535 almost winter time. I'm speaking from my own experience. I've 0:02:13.535 --> 0:02:15.535 got a couple of tasks that I know I'm pretty 0:02:15.615 --> 0:02:18.775 keen to get done before winter comes, and it's just 0:02:19.175 --> 0:02:22.695 too wet or too unpredictable in terms of weather. So 0:02:23.335 --> 0:02:24.895 you know, a little bit of pressure on to get 0:02:24.895 --> 0:02:26.975 those jobs out of the way. If you've got a 0:02:26.975 --> 0:02:30.335 project that is underway, a perhaps a project that is 0:02:30.455 --> 0:02:33.535 underway and is going spectacularly well, but you just want 0:02:33.535 --> 0:02:35.895 a few little finishing details, or you want to discuss 0:02:35.935 --> 0:02:38.935 a few little finishing details, we can do that. Perhaps 0:02:38.935 --> 0:02:41.975 you've got a project that's underway that isn't quite going 0:02:42.015 --> 0:02:44.295 the way that you hoped and thought it might go, 0:02:44.495 --> 0:02:45.935 and you want to talk about that. We can do 0:02:46.015 --> 0:02:48.975 that as well. Perhaps you've encountered some new materials or 0:02:48.975 --> 0:02:52.215 some new ideas. We can talk about that for sure. 0:02:52.495 --> 0:02:55.055 In fact, one of the actually it was a delightful trip. 0:02:55.135 --> 0:02:58.975 I was in Queenstown yesterday. So the Southern Lakes Home 0:02:59.015 --> 0:03:01.535 and Garden Show is on just at the events center 0:03:01.655 --> 0:03:05.535 right near the airport actually and started on Friday. I 0:03:05.575 --> 0:03:09.175 went down on said it's on again today and went 0:03:09.255 --> 0:03:11.695 down to meet with a number of the exhibitors and 0:03:11.775 --> 0:03:13.495 do a little bit of filming and but some pieces. 0:03:13.975 --> 0:03:17.215 And because I had plenty of time yesterday, actually I 0:03:17.215 --> 0:03:20.295 spent quite a bit of time with individual exhibitors talking 0:03:20.295 --> 0:03:26.255 about their products and just kind of tossing around ideas. 0:03:26.295 --> 0:03:29.055 And it's a for someone and I guess in my situation, 0:03:29.535 --> 0:03:32.575 it's a great opportunity to talk to other experts in 0:03:32.615 --> 0:03:36.495 their field. So whether that was off site manufacture, whether 0:03:36.535 --> 0:03:39.255 it was some issues around joinery, whether it was some 0:03:39.335 --> 0:03:43.175 issues around you know, types of insulation and insulation performance. 0:03:44.055 --> 0:03:47.135 I had breakfast with a building survey, so we were 0:03:47.135 --> 0:03:51.735 talking about the H one compliance that the submissions closed 0:03:51.775 --> 0:03:54.895 on Friday. So this was the big political story from 0:03:54.975 --> 0:03:58.015 last year. We talked about it just a fascinating sort 0:03:58.015 --> 0:04:00.255 of opportunity to go out and chat with people like 0:04:00.295 --> 0:04:02.975 I say, it's on again today. I was down yesterday, 0:04:03.015 --> 0:04:06.695 back up last night. So beautiful. You forget just how 0:04:06.735 --> 0:04:09.255 stunning that part of the world is. You can understand 0:04:09.255 --> 0:04:12.015 why tourists from all around the world flock there. It 0:04:12.055 --> 0:04:15.095 was stunning day yesterday. But the Home Garden Show on 0:04:15.175 --> 0:04:18.655 again today, right and before we rip into the calls, 0:04:18.655 --> 0:04:23.095 which we will do in just a moment, highlight of 0:04:23.095 --> 0:04:28.095 the week for me was attending the official opening of 0:04:28.295 --> 0:04:32.695 a house that had been refurbished by students at One 0:04:32.735 --> 0:04:36.215 Tree Hill College. If you watch TV one News, if 0:04:36.215 --> 0:04:38.455 you watch the Breakfast Show on Monday, you would have 0:04:38.455 --> 0:04:40.175 seen a bit of a feature on this. This was 0:04:40.215 --> 0:04:43.975 an initiative where a house that otherwise would have gone 0:04:44.015 --> 0:04:47.295 to landfill. It's an old ko house that's come from 0:04:47.895 --> 0:04:49.975 probably along ti you arch Our Drive where they're doing 0:04:50.055 --> 0:04:53.375 the busway in Auckland, from sort of what is it 0:04:53.415 --> 0:04:56.495 pucket Owner basically through to Botany and rather than those 0:04:56.495 --> 0:05:00.495 houses just being crushed on site or trucked away and 0:05:00.615 --> 0:05:04.215 disposed of, one of these three bedroom houses was shipped 0:05:04.255 --> 0:05:08.735 across to One Tree Hill College where the students were 0:05:08.775 --> 0:05:12.135 in association with some trade professionals and a whole bunch 0:05:12.135 --> 0:05:17.455 of very generous companies completely refurbished the house and it's 0:05:17.535 --> 0:05:21.855 now new kitchen, new bathroom, new lining, new insallation, everything, 0:05:21.975 --> 0:05:26.735 basically a new joinery. It's a fabulous, really straightforward simple 0:05:26.975 --> 0:05:30.615 house that's available for sale, so it's online, it's on trade. 0:05:30.655 --> 0:05:33.735 Me I'm pretty sure it'll be on one roof and 0:05:34.015 --> 0:05:36.375 that house is going to be auctioned. The money will 0:05:36.375 --> 0:05:38.375 go back into the program, and they've already booked a 0:05:38.415 --> 0:05:40.375 new house. So I went along to the opening, which 0:05:40.415 --> 0:05:42.735 was great bunch of people that I knew there. She 0:05:42.815 --> 0:05:45.535 Chris Penk the Minister was there as well, and I 0:05:45.575 --> 0:05:49.535 got talking to Charlotte McEwan, who is the teacher in 0:05:49.655 --> 0:05:52.495 charge of trade training at the college. And then we're 0:05:52.575 --> 0:05:54.175 chatting and I went, how would you feel about coming 0:05:54.215 --> 0:05:56.015 into the studio and having a bit of a chat. 0:05:56.015 --> 0:05:58.175 So she's going to join us after eight o'clock this morning. 0:05:58.215 --> 0:06:01.655 I'm really looking forward to that. It is a fantastic initiative. 0:06:01.695 --> 0:06:04.855 There are sort of variations of it across the country. 0:06:04.895 --> 0:06:08.015 It's not the first time I've heard of schools either 0:06:08.135 --> 0:06:12.975 building from scratch, but there is some particular features of 0:06:13.015 --> 0:06:18.015 this program which I think are really outstanding and hopefully 0:06:18.015 --> 0:06:20.295 we'll be picked up by other colleges. And having a 0:06:20.335 --> 0:06:23.575 chat with her on the Monday, apparently other schools were 0:06:23.575 --> 0:06:27.015 coming through to look at the program and see how 0:06:27.055 --> 0:06:30.615 it was run, how they structure it, with a hope 0:06:30.615 --> 0:06:33.455 maybe of introducing that to other secondary schools. And if 0:06:33.495 --> 0:06:36.495 you've ever sat down and talked to anyone about trade training, 0:06:36.535 --> 0:06:39.375 getting young people into the trades and just the challenges 0:06:39.415 --> 0:06:42.215 we face there, I think this is a fantastic initiative. 0:06:42.215 --> 0:06:45.295 So really looking forward to talking to Charlotte around eight o'clock, 0:06:45.335 --> 0:06:47.015 just after the o'clock news, she's going to come into 0:06:47.055 --> 0:06:49.655 the studio. Rity. Oh that's my introduction for the day. 0:06:49.695 --> 0:06:52.415 Oh we've got Bryce as well, our razine painting expert 0:06:52.415 --> 0:06:56.415 from seven thirty, So any specific painting questions you can 0:06:56.575 --> 0:06:58.775 text those through to nine two ninety two. If you'd 0:06:58.775 --> 0:07:01.135 like to email me, it's Pete at newsorksb dot co 0:07:01.175 --> 0:07:04.615 dot nz. And better of all of them, out of 0:07:04.615 --> 0:07:07.375 all of those things, if there's a hierarchy, let's get 0:07:07.415 --> 0:07:10.455 on the phone. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty My 0:07:10.535 --> 0:07:13.695 apologies too. You can probably hear my voices a little 0:07:13.695 --> 0:07:17.215 bit croquy, and there might be the occasional splutter on 0:07:17.255 --> 0:07:19.695 my part, you know, classic sort of cold at this 0:07:19.735 --> 0:07:22.135 time of year. Thankfully it is just a cold, so 0:07:22.215 --> 0:07:24.615 we'll box on through that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty, 0:07:24.695 --> 0:07:26.775 let's rip into it. Great to hear from you, and 0:07:26.775 --> 0:07:29.615 great to be with you this second day of March 0:07:29.695 --> 0:07:35.175 twenty twenty five. Donnie, A very good morning. Hello Donnie. 0:07:35.855 --> 0:07:37.975 Hello, Iry. I thought you see Bee. I thought you 0:07:38.015 --> 0:07:40.055 see Ben. I thought that's definitely not me. 0:07:40.295 --> 0:07:41.775 No, that you Donnie. How are you? 0:07:42.895 --> 0:07:47.775 It's Donnie, lovely Pete, Thanks so much for taking my call. Listen, 0:07:47.855 --> 0:07:51.375 I have three quick questions for you, but they will 0:07:51.375 --> 0:07:55.095 be quick for you. Insulation Now, I have a nineteen 0:07:55.135 --> 0:07:59.775 twenty six bungalow and it's been well maintained. I obviously 0:07:59.775 --> 0:08:02.415 haven't been in it that long, but I've been in 0:08:02.455 --> 0:08:04.215 it now for about twenty years. 0:08:04.975 --> 0:08:10.375 In time's the national average. Typically we're movie every five years, 0:08:10.415 --> 0:08:10.695 don't we. 0:08:10.855 --> 0:08:17.415 Yeah, yeah, not me obviously, but anyway, it's got insulation. 0:08:17.535 --> 0:08:19.735 I've had insulation put in the roof and it was 0:08:19.775 --> 0:08:24.615 the blowing in type variety. It was around twelve to 0:08:24.695 --> 0:08:27.295 fifteen years ago now, and it was the rock wall. 0:08:28.775 --> 0:08:29.095 Type. 0:08:29.095 --> 0:08:30.895 I won't say which company, but it was a rock 0:08:30.935 --> 0:08:33.815 fall type thing. Now, what I want to know is 0:08:34.375 --> 0:08:39.055 can I top that up with anything like another blow 0:08:39.095 --> 0:08:42.655 and product or does it have to be the same or. 0:08:44.775 --> 0:08:44.855 No? 0:08:45.295 --> 0:08:49.855 In terms of compatibility, there's not really any issue, you know, 0:08:49.895 --> 0:08:52.895 if you had have said, look, it's really old insulation 0:08:53.015 --> 0:08:55.055 and it's been there for a long time and it's 0:08:55.135 --> 0:08:58.175 kind of settled down and you're a bit unsure about 0:08:58.175 --> 0:09:01.695 its provenance, let's say, then there are companies that will 0:09:01.695 --> 0:09:04.415 remove that and you can add new insulation or replace 0:09:04.455 --> 0:09:07.815 it with new insulation. But it's not an uncommon practice 0:09:07.935 --> 0:09:12.975 to upgrade your ceiling insulation by adding another layer. So 0:09:13.135 --> 0:09:17.215 yes you could. And do you know what the depth 0:09:17.375 --> 0:09:19.015 of the blowing insulation is? 0:09:19.095 --> 0:09:19.335 Rough? 0:09:19.895 --> 0:09:23.135 Gosh, If I had all the paperworkuse I would if 0:09:23.175 --> 0:09:25.535 I was better organized, I would have delved under the 0:09:25.535 --> 0:09:26.695 house and the work. 0:09:28.575 --> 0:09:31.335 Look, if it's a blowing system, and there will be 0:09:31.615 --> 0:09:37.015 inevitably and the different insulation performs differently, But it's not 0:09:37.175 --> 0:09:40.055 unfair to say that the blow and insulation will settle 0:09:40.175 --> 0:09:44.615 over time, right And as it does. It's effectiveness diminishous. 0:09:44.655 --> 0:09:47.615 We're only talking, you know, tiny percentages, but it does 0:09:47.655 --> 0:09:51.415 do that. So if you if someone went up there 0:09:51.415 --> 0:09:53.895 and found that, yes, there was blown insulation in there, 0:09:54.135 --> 0:09:56.255 and maybe it did settle so that it was almost 0:09:56.335 --> 0:09:59.095 at the height of the ceiling joists which run across 0:09:59.535 --> 0:10:04.415 the room, adding a layer above that and so effectively 0:10:04.415 --> 0:10:07.695 putting insulation at nine degrees to the direction of the 0:10:07.735 --> 0:10:11.455 ceiling choice will mean that you eliminate the thermal bridging. 0:10:11.535 --> 0:10:15.895 So there's a real advantage to that, right, Yes, okay, 0:10:16.375 --> 0:10:17.015 you can add something. 0:10:17.295 --> 0:10:19.655 Yes, okay, that's perfect, and it doesn't need. 0:10:19.535 --> 0:10:22.055 To be so it doesn't have to be the same product, 0:10:22.135 --> 0:10:22.735 No it doesn't. 0:10:22.935 --> 0:10:26.855 Right, Okay, that's perfect, thank you. Question number two the 0:10:26.935 --> 0:10:29.495 deck and I'm trying to do it but each day. 0:10:29.735 --> 0:10:33.215 And I actually ran you a couple of years ago, 0:10:33.215 --> 0:10:39.855 which of course you won't remember. Give of course i'd 0:10:39.935 --> 0:10:44.255 be horrif cleaning it with a wire brush when we're 0:10:44.295 --> 0:10:46.295 not have been wet cleaning it with a wire brush, 0:10:46.295 --> 0:10:49.815 and okay, and blah blah blah. And someone one of 0:10:49.855 --> 0:10:53.935 your callers kindly rang in and said that woman councisus 0:10:53.975 --> 0:10:55.935 leave it with the cleaning it with the wire brush. 0:10:55.975 --> 0:10:58.895 He needs to use something afterwards, and he told me 0:10:58.935 --> 0:11:03.535 what the recipe was. Oh, okay, it involved bleach, and 0:11:03.575 --> 0:11:05.415 I didn't want to use bleach. I don't want to 0:11:05.455 --> 0:11:08.295 work with it and environmentally, I don't want to use it. 0:11:09.535 --> 0:11:15.095 So I googled and several different site said that box 0:11:15.215 --> 0:11:17.895 water and dish washing liquor for goods. So I've been 0:11:17.975 --> 0:11:19.695 using that and it's coming up well. 0:11:20.215 --> 0:11:22.335 And the decking that you're talking about is this tongue 0:11:22.375 --> 0:11:24.295 and groove decking with a painted surface on it. 0:11:24.975 --> 0:11:28.895 No, it's not painted. It's just a wooden deck, the 0:11:28.895 --> 0:11:31.855 boards on it, with the you know, the ridges on 0:11:31.895 --> 0:11:36.135 the unfortunately, so it's it's pretty black all over. And 0:11:36.375 --> 0:11:42.135 I get the funnel, you know, for sunning. It's north facing, 0:11:42.215 --> 0:11:43.815 so I get the sun all day, but it still 0:11:43.855 --> 0:11:44.375 goes black. 0:11:46.575 --> 0:11:46.775 Well. 0:11:47.415 --> 0:11:50.895 But I've been doing a bit each day, but I 0:11:50.935 --> 0:11:53.335 want to put something on. I feel like I should 0:11:53.335 --> 0:11:57.015 put something on. It's all silver, but I feel that, 0:11:57.095 --> 0:11:58.135 you know, the boards are. 0:11:58.095 --> 0:12:01.215 Splitting and the sort of inevitable. 0:12:02.415 --> 0:12:04.495 There's so many products out there, and I don't want 0:12:04.495 --> 0:12:07.495 to paint it. I don't want to put a stain 0:12:07.615 --> 0:12:09.535 on it. I just want to put some sort of 0:12:09.535 --> 0:12:12.295 oil or something. So what should I use? 0:12:12.775 --> 0:12:15.215 Yeah, I mean there are decking like there are specific 0:12:15.255 --> 0:12:18.095 decking oils that you could use. Certainly, I know in 0:12:18.135 --> 0:12:20.375 the razine range most of them will have a slight 0:12:20.455 --> 0:12:23.535 tint to them, so there's not really a clear but 0:12:23.615 --> 0:12:26.175 you could choose, you know, a brownish color or something 0:12:26.215 --> 0:12:30.295 like that that suits the timber. And one of the 0:12:30.295 --> 0:12:34.175 advantages I think to selling timber decks is that it 0:12:34.255 --> 0:12:36.895 just stops that It just inhibits that mold growth. It 0:12:37.015 --> 0:12:39.575 seals the surface a little bit and stops all of 0:12:39.575 --> 0:12:43.335 that mold growth going into the spores. Initially. Eventually they'll 0:12:43.335 --> 0:12:46.135 get in and all decks will require maintenance, but I 0:12:46.135 --> 0:12:48.375 think sealing it is a huge advantage. 0:12:49.615 --> 0:12:51.815 Now the decks going to need The one thing I 0:12:51.815 --> 0:12:54.095 didn't mention, it's the decks going to need to placing 0:12:54.215 --> 0:12:57.495 probably in the next yep three to five years, so 0:12:57.655 --> 0:13:02.135 it's still worth doing though I have no maintenance from 0:13:02.175 --> 0:13:03.495 the last twenty at all. 0:13:03.695 --> 0:13:06.535 Yeah, look it well, will it give you a couple 0:13:06.575 --> 0:13:11.775 of extra years, probably not, but it certainly will prevent 0:13:12.095 --> 0:13:16.295 the recurrence of recurrence rather of that mold growth. 0:13:16.775 --> 0:13:18.935 Right, and make it look better and less splinters. 0:13:20.175 --> 0:13:24.135 Well splinters are slightly but by sealing it you won't 0:13:24.135 --> 0:13:27.375 have the fivers, you know, deteriorating right, So yes, that 0:13:27.455 --> 0:13:28.455 will help with the splinters. 0:13:29.335 --> 0:13:32.375 Okay, that's wonderful, thy lovely to talk with you. 0:13:32.455 --> 0:13:32.655 Question. 0:13:33.215 --> 0:13:34.775 There's one more as a big one. 0:13:35.215 --> 0:13:37.175 Oh, go go the big one. 0:13:37.615 --> 0:13:40.095 Sorry, I probably want to run off and a break magice. 0:13:40.135 --> 0:13:40.895 No, no, no, I'm all good. 0:13:41.935 --> 0:13:46.895 Number three French doors. Yes, now, I've got three lots 0:13:46.895 --> 0:13:49.575 of French doors along the well. I call it the 0:13:49.615 --> 0:13:51.495 front of the house, but it's actually technic to the 0:13:51.535 --> 0:13:55.935 back of the house. For about the last five years 0:13:55.975 --> 0:13:58.975 now they've started playing out. And is it the mortis 0:13:59.055 --> 0:14:03.215 joints down the bottom, yes, is starting to split apart. 0:14:03.455 --> 0:14:07.495 So for the last sorry, three winters in a row. 0:14:07.615 --> 0:14:11.895 Now when I if it's been raining for people days 0:14:11.895 --> 0:14:14.015 in a row, which of course we get that all 0:14:14.055 --> 0:14:17.735 the time. I can't open the doors. I can open them, 0:14:18.095 --> 0:14:19.655 I can open them with a lot of force, but 0:14:19.695 --> 0:14:22.815 I can't close them again, so which is obviously a 0:14:22.855 --> 0:14:27.855 real pain in the proverbial. So last year I had them. 0:14:27.895 --> 0:14:30.535 I get them painted. Every two or three years in 0:14:30.655 --> 0:14:34.575 the exterior, so they're in. The door itself is in 0:14:34.615 --> 0:14:39.855 good condition. The whole theater good good condition. Last year 0:14:40.175 --> 0:14:43.535 the painter's husband did a quick fix on the main 0:14:43.655 --> 0:14:48.455 doors and that's that has made a difference. But still 0:14:48.495 --> 0:14:51.775 in the winter there are days where I can't open 0:14:51.775 --> 0:14:52.695 them and I don't want to. 0:14:52.655 --> 0:14:54.095 Force them anymore. 0:14:54.135 --> 0:14:58.095 I rang one company and they said the only way 0:14:58.135 --> 0:15:02.295 to fix Actually no, sorry, I rang about three companies. 0:15:02.295 --> 0:15:03.375 Two weren't interested. 0:15:03.535 --> 0:15:06.175 One I should last you. 0:15:06.775 --> 0:15:07.615 You're not surprised. 0:15:07.655 --> 0:15:10.255 No, no, they are jobs to do. Yep. 0:15:11.215 --> 0:15:14.535 One said he was very interested, but the only way 0:15:15.015 --> 0:15:17.175 was to replace the whole door and they were going 0:15:17.215 --> 0:15:20.015 to cross three thousand each. Wow, that was going to 0:15:20.095 --> 0:15:23.455 be ten thousand, and that was two to three years ago. 0:15:25.815 --> 0:15:30.575 So what I play without seeing the doors? You know, look, 0:15:30.735 --> 0:15:34.575 probably in ninety percent of the cases, someone who's got 0:15:34.615 --> 0:15:36.855 some experience with joinery would be able to take the 0:15:36.895 --> 0:15:39.975 door off, maybe gap the joints a little bit, so 0:15:40.015 --> 0:15:42.975 you actually sort of force the tenin and mortis apart, 0:15:44.055 --> 0:15:47.295 square them back up again, fix them back together with 0:15:47.335 --> 0:15:51.455 a good quality exterior epoxy glue, put them back in. 0:15:51.735 --> 0:15:54.295 You might need to adjust the door and inevitably, maybe 0:15:54.295 --> 0:15:56.015 you'll end up taking a little bit off the bottom 0:15:56.055 --> 0:15:58.575 and there might be a slightly uneven gap at the top. 0:15:58.975 --> 0:16:01.335 But I think, and this time of year it's not 0:16:01.375 --> 0:16:04.695 a bad time to do it, so you know, it's 0:16:04.775 --> 0:16:06.735 nice and dry and all the rest of it. I 0:16:06.775 --> 0:16:08.935 think if you can find the right person, they be 0:16:08.975 --> 0:16:11.415 able to come through. Like I say, gap it all, 0:16:11.655 --> 0:16:14.615 reglue it, hang the doors again, adjust them, and you'll 0:16:14.615 --> 0:16:16.455 get years and years of use out of them. But 0:16:16.615 --> 0:16:19.855 it is quite true that over time, you know, the 0:16:19.895 --> 0:16:22.975 original glues will fail and the tenin and mortars will move, 0:16:23.375 --> 0:16:27.175 and then it becomes like a self perpetuating cycle, right 0:16:27.335 --> 0:16:30.695 because as it touches, then you pull the door closed, 0:16:30.855 --> 0:16:32.655 and so the bottom of the door rubs on the 0:16:32.695 --> 0:16:35.775 sill and that takes off the paint. And then by 0:16:35.815 --> 0:16:38.335 taking off the paint, you open up the fibers, and 0:16:38.375 --> 0:16:40.735 because it's in contact with the sill, more moisture gets 0:16:40.775 --> 0:16:44.895 into it and it accelerates the process. So maintaining a 0:16:44.935 --> 0:16:49.175 gap around your joinery, which prevents water from beating and 0:16:49.215 --> 0:16:51.935 being absorbed from one surface to the other, is actually 0:16:51.975 --> 0:16:55.815 really really critical. And then inevitably, you know, again this 0:16:55.895 --> 0:16:58.735 is what happens with old jowinery. You pull it closed 0:16:58.775 --> 0:17:01.055 and it binds at the bottom, so you pull it 0:17:01.095 --> 0:17:03.935 a bit harder, which means you're racking the door, and 0:17:03.975 --> 0:17:07.655 that then twists all of the the joints. That then 0:17:07.935 --> 0:17:10.455 puts pressure on them. It forces them a bit open. 0:17:11.095 --> 0:17:13.295 Because they've been forced open, they then move a little 0:17:13.295 --> 0:17:16.135 bit more, which means they drop a bit more. So look, 0:17:16.175 --> 0:17:18.455 it's it's like all of us perhaps as we get 0:17:18.495 --> 0:17:20.975 a little bit older, you know a bit of TRC 0:17:21.095 --> 0:17:23.855 and a little bit of maintenance. But I think if 0:17:23.895 --> 0:17:26.495 you can find the right person who's familiar with joinery, 0:17:26.575 --> 0:17:30.815 get them to come and reclamp the door, glue it, 0:17:30.975 --> 0:17:33.615 ease it, and you'll be fine. Lovely to talk to you, 0:17:33.695 --> 0:17:35.135 Donnie as always, and please. 0:17:35.135 --> 0:17:37.415 So much, don't believe it another couple. 0:17:37.135 --> 0:17:41.815 Of years, right, all of this, take care well, lovely 0:17:41.815 --> 0:17:43.655 Caul to get started. All the very best to you 0:17:43.655 --> 0:17:45.575 your news talk said b If you'd like to call 0:17:45.735 --> 0:17:48.175 eight hundred eighty ten eighty we can talk about your projects. 0:17:48.335 --> 0:17:50.575 Eight hundred eighty ten eighty will be back with Emma 0:17:50.615 --> 0:17:51.015 in just a. 0:17:50.975 --> 0:17:54.855 Moment, helping you get those DIY projects done. Right to 0:17:54.975 --> 0:17:58.295 the resident Filder with Peter Wolf Cats Call eight hundred 0:17:58.375 --> 0:18:00.055 eighty eighty youth Talk, said. 0:18:00.935 --> 0:18:02.255 I must give you a bit of an update to 0:18:02.335 --> 0:18:04.815 on a story that we started on right at the 0:18:04.855 --> 0:18:08.495 end of last year or last week's show, where I 0:18:08.735 --> 0:18:11.015 kind of made a quite off the cuff remark when 0:18:11.015 --> 0:18:13.695 we're talking about you know, projects, and specially if you've 0:18:13.695 --> 0:18:16.375 got labor only contractors working for you, right and if 0:18:16.375 --> 0:18:18.335 you're a client and you're looking at people are on 0:18:18.375 --> 0:18:20.615 their phone and so on. And the guy was very 0:18:20.695 --> 0:18:22.175 much of the opinion that you know, if you've got 0:18:22.175 --> 0:18:25.135 a bunch of chippy's working, you don't want to see 0:18:25.135 --> 0:18:27.295 them on their phone during the day, especially if you're 0:18:27.295 --> 0:18:30.375 paying them by the hour. You know, there's always a 0:18:30.415 --> 0:18:31.935 little bit of tolerance in there. But I've got a 0:18:31.935 --> 0:18:35.175 fantastic text from a guy who I suspect as a 0:18:35.175 --> 0:18:40.975 plumber who runs a number of tradees, and he said, look, 0:18:41.095 --> 0:18:43.815 you've got to remember our guys, or his guys in particular, 0:18:45.735 --> 0:18:48.855 using their phones. Essentially it's a tool, right, So if 0:18:48.855 --> 0:18:51.375 they've come to a job, they go out to the van, 0:18:51.495 --> 0:18:53.655 they grab a couple of crocsnuts and an elbow and 0:18:54.815 --> 0:18:57.215 they'll use their phone to record all of that's part 0:18:57.215 --> 0:19:00.615 of their accounting. They'll use the phone to note down 0:19:01.135 --> 0:19:04.335 the job and the address, and the hours spent at 0:19:04.375 --> 0:19:07.735 the job. They might be using the phone to look 0:19:07.735 --> 0:19:11.215 at plans to do health and safety, which is really important, 0:19:11.495 --> 0:19:13.295 those sorts of things. I thought, well, that's actually a 0:19:13.375 --> 0:19:15.655 very good text. I'll make sure that I didn't have 0:19:15.695 --> 0:19:18.775 time to read it out last week. I think it 0:19:18.775 --> 0:19:21.135 would be a fantastic topic. It's a little bit more 0:19:21.135 --> 0:19:24.295 talk backy than is suitable for this show, but man, 0:19:24.335 --> 0:19:26.975 you could have some fun with that topic in a 0:19:27.095 --> 0:19:30.215 talkback situation. I might save that up for the next time. 0:19:30.215 --> 0:19:33.055 I ended up finding myself doing an overnight, which I 0:19:33.095 --> 0:19:35.575 did a couple I haven't been invited back. I'll take 0:19:35.575 --> 0:19:37.975 that as read. It is twenty eight minutes after six. 0:19:38.135 --> 0:19:40.255 Welcome along to the show, Emma, thanks for waiting, and 0:19:40.335 --> 0:19:41.415 a very good morning to you. 0:19:42.495 --> 0:19:45.415 Good morning. I'm I'm just feeding a todd of the 0:19:45.415 --> 0:19:46.015 breakfast if. 0:19:45.935 --> 0:19:50.615 There's any background multitasking. But I have a. 0:19:50.615 --> 0:19:55.695 Question about stealing tile, like slate tiles. So we bought 0:19:55.735 --> 0:19:59.335 a nineteen eighties house about eighteen months ago, and when 0:19:59.375 --> 0:20:01.615 we bought it, we thought the tiles looked a bit tired, 0:20:01.615 --> 0:20:04.695 and we wanted to put a steeler on, and we 0:20:04.735 --> 0:20:07.695 did a bit of research and bought a Aquamex penetrating 0:20:07.815 --> 0:20:11.175 sealer from tile Max. But within about three to six 0:20:11.295 --> 0:20:16.055 months we've found that they'd started to flake and then 0:20:16.135 --> 0:20:18.655 flaked in pieces from the side of a ten cent 0:20:18.775 --> 0:20:20.935 coin right up to like the diameter of a can 0:20:20.935 --> 0:20:22.255 of baked beans, so quite large. 0:20:22.375 --> 0:20:22.535 Yep. 0:20:23.775 --> 0:20:25.935 And then in the garden. 0:20:25.615 --> 0:20:28.615 Shed I found an old can of watt or estipole 0:20:29.455 --> 0:20:31.935 or something like that, and it looks like maybe. 0:20:31.615 --> 0:20:32.855 We used a different product. 0:20:33.095 --> 0:20:34.775 And now I just don't know what to do because 0:20:34.775 --> 0:20:38.055 it's flaking off and flakes off so much more in 0:20:38.055 --> 0:20:41.735 summer because it sticks to your feet like the heat 0:20:41.775 --> 0:20:44.455 of your foot or something. And the flake tiles are 0:20:44.495 --> 0:20:45.415 going all through the house. 0:20:45.455 --> 0:20:46.655 So what do I do now? 0:20:46.895 --> 0:20:49.815 Okay? So just I think I'm stunning at a picture 0:20:49.855 --> 0:20:53.015 of sort of classic nineteen eighties, right, and I was 0:20:53.015 --> 0:20:57.615 building back then. So these are tiles laid laid down 0:20:58.215 --> 0:21:00.775 on the exterior of the house or interior. 0:21:00.895 --> 0:21:03.895 No in the kitchen and the yep. 0:21:03.975 --> 0:21:08.295 Okay. And then obviously because if you leave them untreated, 0:21:09.815 --> 0:21:12.455 the you know, you'll it's really hard to keep them 0:21:12.495 --> 0:21:14.495 clean and that sort of thing. So over the years, 0:21:14.535 --> 0:21:18.295 someone's probably put a seala on them. Esterpol from my 0:21:18.415 --> 0:21:22.815 recollection is more like a polyurethane, and that that wouldn't 0:21:22.855 --> 0:21:25.535 have been suitable at all. And if you've then added 0:21:25.535 --> 0:21:28.415 a seala over the top of the polyurethane, you will 0:21:28.415 --> 0:21:32.455 get delamination between the two surfaces. That the challenge then 0:21:33.775 --> 0:21:36.535 that the challenge is pretty much around how do you 0:21:37.135 --> 0:21:41.295 strip the whatever coatings have been there, and what type 0:21:41.295 --> 0:21:46.215 of seala would you apply? And it's the stripping process 0:21:46.255 --> 0:21:47.615 that's going to be really difficult. 0:21:48.935 --> 0:21:50.575 Oh no, and literally. 0:21:53.655 --> 0:21:56.935 Look to be fair, I probably would head down that 0:21:56.975 --> 0:22:01.295 path only because it's probably going to involve some solvents 0:22:01.295 --> 0:22:04.015 and bits and pieces. And also if you're going to 0:22:04.055 --> 0:22:06.975 be using solvents and then water to rin so how 0:22:06.975 --> 0:22:08.695 do you clean that off? So you need someone with 0:22:08.775 --> 0:22:11.495 wet and dry extraction and all of those sorts of things. 0:22:13.935 --> 0:22:16.295 I tell you what. Years and years ago, we had 0:22:16.295 --> 0:22:19.335 a similar situation where a client wanted to use terra 0:22:19.375 --> 0:22:23.775 cotta tiles through the downstairs dining and kitchen area and 0:22:24.095 --> 0:22:27.455 they were insistent that they just leave them unsealed, right, 0:22:27.455 --> 0:22:30.095 they'll just be natural. Well, of course, within about a 0:22:30.215 --> 0:22:34.135 year they were black right, and it looked terrible. And 0:22:34.215 --> 0:22:38.295 so as I recall, I think I actually used graffiti Guard, 0:22:38.455 --> 0:22:41.335 the company that you see around, and they came in 0:22:41.575 --> 0:22:44.535 and striped the coatings off and then applied a sealer 0:22:44.655 --> 0:22:46.815 over the top of it. The other option is to 0:22:46.855 --> 0:22:50.495 go to one of the large tile shops, someone like 0:22:50.575 --> 0:22:54.775 tile Space for example, and see whether they might have people. 0:22:54.935 --> 0:22:58.935 The other company that I've used to refurbish tiles has 0:22:59.015 --> 0:23:04.135 been grout Pro. So they came in and, you know, 0:23:04.455 --> 0:23:09.215 meticulously cleaned the surface, so literally a miniature water blaster 0:23:09.735 --> 0:23:13.975 and a vacuum cleaner water blasted the tiles and vacuumed 0:23:14.055 --> 0:23:17.015 up at the same time, cleaned it thoroughly, then re 0:23:17.135 --> 0:23:20.295 epoxied all of the mortar joints and so on. So 0:23:21.295 --> 0:23:23.775 graffiti Guard might be an option. Try one of the 0:23:23.775 --> 0:23:27.175 tile shops, or try grout Pro right. 0:23:27.015 --> 0:23:29.615 Okay, yeah, because it's in its interior in the. 0:23:29.575 --> 0:23:33.175 Kitchen area, so exactly. 0:23:32.415 --> 0:23:35.975 Yeah, yeah, well it is. This was like a tiny 0:23:35.975 --> 0:23:38.335 little high pressure jet, but what they were able to 0:23:38.375 --> 0:23:41.055 do is use that and have wet and dry extraction 0:23:41.135 --> 0:23:43.735 at the same time, so you know, it's a process 0:23:43.735 --> 0:23:45.575 that they do often and they're used to doing it. 0:23:45.615 --> 0:23:48.455 So I think it'll be a case of maybe applying 0:23:48.455 --> 0:23:51.775 a stripper of some description, then removing that, thoroughly cleaning 0:23:51.775 --> 0:23:54.535 the area, and then reapplying. And I would say that 0:23:54.575 --> 0:23:57.975 the sealers, and I'm not sure about specific slate sealers, 0:23:57.975 --> 0:24:01.815 but there will be some that will perhaps rather than 0:24:02.415 --> 0:24:05.575 adhering to the surface, will just penetrate in and then 0:24:05.695 --> 0:24:09.135 seal the surf, and then that then becomes a maintenance thing. 0:24:09.215 --> 0:24:11.335 You use a particular type of cleaner and every year 0:24:11.375 --> 0:24:13.895 you reapply a sealer over the top. But that'll be 0:24:13.935 --> 0:24:15.055 a permanent solution. 0:24:16.255 --> 0:24:18.135 Okay, thank you very much for all the. 0:24:18.055 --> 0:24:21.255 Best, Take care, you have a great day. All the best. Then, 0:24:21.375 --> 0:24:23.455 oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 0:24:23.495 --> 0:24:26.335 to call. Quick text A peaked two weeks ago. We 0:24:26.495 --> 0:24:30.415 inquired about unplastered joints and screw holes and a garage 0:24:30.415 --> 0:24:33.055 ceiling firewall. The vendors have done some of the plastering, 0:24:33.295 --> 0:24:35.855 but did not plaster behind the timber frames because the 0:24:35.895 --> 0:24:39.695 ceiling space is difficult to access. How can the plastering 0:24:39.775 --> 0:24:42.895 be done to meet council requirements given the difficulty of 0:24:42.935 --> 0:24:47.175 reaching some parts of the joints. The fact that it's 0:24:47.215 --> 0:24:50.615 difficult is nobody's problem apart from the person who didn't 0:24:50.615 --> 0:24:53.095 do it right in the first place. So if the 0:24:53.215 --> 0:24:59.255 vendors have got and fire ratings particularly important right, you 0:24:59.295 --> 0:25:01.975 know there will even if it's difficult, there'll still be 0:25:02.015 --> 0:25:05.255 a solution. And I what do I see The other day? 0:25:06.375 --> 0:25:09.855 It was more in an apartment situation, so residential, multi 0:25:09.855 --> 0:25:15.695 story building, where during regular maintenance work they'd found that 0:25:16.415 --> 0:25:20.495 some of the penetrations or the fire the penetrations through firewalls, 0:25:20.575 --> 0:25:24.855 let's say, from a corridor into the apartment above the 0:25:24.935 --> 0:25:29.175 ceiling level, were not particularly well detailed, and there's very 0:25:29.215 --> 0:25:32.055 specific details around the size of the penetration, the type 0:25:32.095 --> 0:25:35.095 of cable that's going through it. You can either use 0:25:35.135 --> 0:25:38.975 fire collars or certain types of sealent, et cetera, et cetera, 0:25:39.015 --> 0:25:42.255 et cetera. What they did because it was obviously a 0:25:42.295 --> 0:25:44.495 bit of a hodgepodge, and no one was sure about 0:25:44.575 --> 0:25:46.935 how well the stopping was done, and all the rest 0:25:46.935 --> 0:25:50.615 of it is applied in intermedcent coating over the entire surface, 0:25:51.335 --> 0:25:54.615 so all of the exposed fire line jib and our 0:25:54.615 --> 0:25:58.575 presume its fireline right through this area was simply coated 0:25:58.615 --> 0:26:03.135 in an intermedcent ceiler, which apparently was quite cost effective 0:26:03.335 --> 0:26:08.135 and relatively quick to do. So I'm guessing in this situation, 0:26:08.575 --> 0:26:10.815 it might be that there's some timber over the top 0:26:10.855 --> 0:26:14.855 of the fire rated I mean timber itself has a 0:26:14.975 --> 0:26:17.775 char rating, so it has a burn time, which means 0:26:17.895 --> 0:26:20.095 maybe you don't need to But perhaps what you need 0:26:20.135 --> 0:26:22.495 to do is get someone to get a fire engineer 0:26:22.535 --> 0:26:24.935 to assess it, get them to give you a description 0:26:25.015 --> 0:26:26.455 of the work that needs to be done, and then 0:26:26.495 --> 0:26:28.975 follow those instructions. And it might just be you may 0:26:29.015 --> 0:26:30.695 not need to do anything, or you may just need 0:26:30.735 --> 0:26:34.055 to cote that exposed timber. Oh, eight hundred and eighty 0:26:34.135 --> 0:26:37.175 ten eighty. It does get quite quick technical, quite quickly. 0:26:37.735 --> 0:26:41.015 Old cold villa hello with old thin glass, and we're 0:26:41.015 --> 0:26:43.975 talking glass that might be like, you know, three millimeters thick. 0:26:44.175 --> 0:26:46.735 We're changing to a high spec laminate glass. Get us 0:26:46.775 --> 0:26:49.975 closer to double glazing. Cassette speck that are expensive on 0:26:50.055 --> 0:26:54.095 double hung sash windows. You can find all the numbers online, right, 0:26:54.135 --> 0:26:57.535 so all of the statistics for the thermal performance of 0:26:57.535 --> 0:27:02.335 glazing will be online, whether it's independently or whether it's 0:27:02.335 --> 0:27:05.975 with a company that you might be interested in. Laminate 0:27:06.055 --> 0:27:09.215 will not give you the same therm will performance as 0:27:09.455 --> 0:27:12.215 double glazing. It just doesn't work that way. It will 0:27:12.215 --> 0:27:14.575 give you some benefit. It will also give you benefit 0:27:14.615 --> 0:27:17.415 in terms of acoustics and so on, but it won't 0:27:17.455 --> 0:27:19.775 be the same, but it will be an improvement in 0:27:19.815 --> 0:27:21.775 the same way. That's saying. Look, if you took out 0:27:21.815 --> 0:27:24.135 your old two and a half three mil glass and 0:27:24.175 --> 0:27:26.775 replace it with four mill float, that will be better 0:27:27.335 --> 0:27:30.735 because it's thicker. But having two layers of glass with 0:27:31.055 --> 0:27:34.415 a layer in between won't give you the same benefits 0:27:34.415 --> 0:27:36.975 as double glazing. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is 0:27:36.975 --> 0:27:38.615 the number four. We'll take a short break. We'll talk 0:27:38.655 --> 0:27:39.935 to Kathy in just a moment. 0:27:41.495 --> 0:27:44.735 God once, but maybe call Pete first for your aff 0:27:44.895 --> 0:27:46.615 the resident builder news dogs. 0:27:46.615 --> 0:27:49.895 They'd be in like a robber's dog. I am right here, Kathy, 0:27:49.935 --> 0:27:55.095 good morning, Thanks. 0:27:54.495 --> 0:28:01.575 I have a grander that has Douglas fir rafters. Yes, 0:28:01.695 --> 0:28:05.815 the one rafters facing shouts, you know, the outside one 0:28:05.855 --> 0:28:08.615 and the other one spacing north and the north one 0:28:08.695 --> 0:28:12.375 is fine, but the south one has got some sort 0:28:12.375 --> 0:28:17.215 of dozy bits along the along the length of it. Now, 0:28:17.295 --> 0:28:20.175 someone said to me, oh, you can scoop out the 0:28:20.535 --> 0:28:26.415 dozy bits and fill up with bog because there's strength 0:28:26.575 --> 0:28:29.055 still in the douglasphere, because it's sort of got the 0:28:29.055 --> 0:28:30.215 weak bits of wood and the. 0:28:30.175 --> 0:28:31.175 Strong bits of wood. 0:28:33.415 --> 0:28:34.695 Yes, that's there. 0:28:34.775 --> 0:28:35.095 There is. 0:28:36.495 --> 0:28:38.415 I suppose what it is is a in a piece 0:28:38.455 --> 0:28:41.175 of timber protect in a structural piece of timber. There's 0:28:41.175 --> 0:28:45.335 always a redundancy, right, so you could take out it. 0:28:45.375 --> 0:28:49.095 But it then becomes a question of the extent of it. 0:28:49.495 --> 0:28:52.535 So you know, if let's say, what's happened, and I 0:28:52.535 --> 0:28:54.695 can imagine that perhaps a little bit of water has 0:28:54.735 --> 0:28:57.215 got into the top of the douglasphere. Has it got 0:28:57.735 --> 0:29:00.655 roofing over it? Or is it just a purglar that's open, 0:29:00.735 --> 0:29:01.735 doesn't have roofing on it. 0:29:02.735 --> 0:29:07.295 No, it's got it clear line, and it's got over 0:29:07.375 --> 0:29:08.055 it as well. 0:29:08.175 --> 0:29:09.895 But somehow water's got in. 0:29:09.895 --> 0:29:12.615 Inevitably, sometimes with these things that you know, with movement 0:29:12.655 --> 0:29:14.935 and so on, there'll be water that gets around the fixings, 0:29:16.015 --> 0:29:19.015 finds its way down through where the fixing penetrates the 0:29:19.095 --> 0:29:22.335 roofing and into the timber itself. And then because one 0:29:22.375 --> 0:29:24.415 of the beauties of Douglas Fair is typically you don't 0:29:24.455 --> 0:29:26.895 need to treat it. But if it does get wet 0:29:26.935 --> 0:29:29.175 and it stays wet, it will start to decay. And 0:29:29.215 --> 0:29:33.295 so that's that's what's happening. If you were to get 0:29:33.375 --> 0:29:36.135 up on a step ladder safely and sort of push 0:29:36.335 --> 0:29:39.255 against the rafter, do you get any movement? 0:29:41.455 --> 0:29:41.655 Oh? 0:29:41.775 --> 0:29:44.455 No, the raft seems to be quite fair. 0:29:44.735 --> 0:29:47.655 And you know the extent of the rot would it 0:29:47.695 --> 0:29:54.215 be one fifth of the depth of the rafter? Would 0:29:54.215 --> 0:29:56.855 it be half of the rafter? That sort of thing. 0:29:58.695 --> 0:30:02.415 There's one place where the light was, yeah, because there 0:30:02.415 --> 0:30:05.175 was an outside light through that. It's all the way 0:30:05.215 --> 0:30:09.975 through and there. Yeah. So it's like there's a hole, 0:30:10.575 --> 0:30:14.975 a bigger hole than just a drilling hole through that spot. 0:30:15.255 --> 0:30:18.215 Right. What's the width of the rafters. 0:30:19.175 --> 0:30:25.095 Oh, they're quite big. Yeah, so they are like about 0:30:25.495 --> 0:30:28.175 I don't know, would they be two inches or two inches? 0:30:28.335 --> 0:30:31.535 Okay, but I mean if you've got two yeah, so 0:30:31.615 --> 0:30:34.055 six or eight for two in the old language. Right, 0:30:35.495 --> 0:30:38.375 But if you've got a bit of decay that goes 0:30:38.415 --> 0:30:40.495 from the top of the rafters to the bottom through 0:30:40.495 --> 0:30:43.735 a two inch piece. You'd be getting pretty close to 0:30:43.775 --> 0:30:47.615 that being unsound. Now, given that nobody hopefully nobody has 0:30:47.655 --> 0:30:50.615 to walk on the roof, and that there are adjoining rafters, 0:30:51.055 --> 0:30:53.335 you know, the danger in terms of it collapsing are 0:30:53.375 --> 0:30:57.615 fairly small. Look, if you were to repair it, there's 0:30:57.655 --> 0:30:59.975 a couple of things. One is you remove as much 0:31:00.015 --> 0:31:03.215 of the loose material as you possibly can. I wouldn't 0:31:03.255 --> 0:31:05.335 be too aggressive with it, but you could just with 0:31:05.455 --> 0:31:08.255 a sharp knife or a chisel or something like that 0:31:08.535 --> 0:31:12.815 remove the loose parts. I would probably apply some timber 0:31:12.855 --> 0:31:17.175 treatment that will prevent the or slow down the decay 0:31:17.895 --> 0:31:21.495 spreading through the timber, and then rather than using something 0:31:21.495 --> 0:31:24.335 like builder's bog, which has little strength to it. I mean, 0:31:24.375 --> 0:31:27.775 it's a good product in the right application. In this application, 0:31:27.855 --> 0:31:31.495 I'd probably use something like repair Care, which is a 0:31:31.535 --> 0:31:34.935 product you can buy at the Razine color shops. It's 0:31:34.975 --> 0:31:38.815 a two part Essentially, it's an epoxy that is both 0:31:38.815 --> 0:31:41.695 a filler and an adhesive, so it will it will 0:31:41.735 --> 0:31:45.735 hold better. Now, depending on this the amount that you 0:31:45.815 --> 0:31:50.335 need to use, I mean, could you just take that 0:31:50.415 --> 0:31:53.295 rafter out and replace it? We're starting That sounds like 0:31:53.335 --> 0:31:53.855 a big job. 0:31:53.895 --> 0:31:56.535 Doesn't it That sounds okay? 0:31:57.015 --> 0:31:58.815 Look, I think if you were to repair it, I 0:31:58.855 --> 0:32:02.015 would scrape out any loose material, try and get someone 0:32:02.055 --> 0:32:03.975 to do it a bit of a timber preservative like 0:32:04.415 --> 0:32:08.695 ProTem or framesaver, or there's even products called timber hardeners 0:32:08.975 --> 0:32:13.055 which are specifically for repairing areas of decay, and then 0:32:13.375 --> 0:32:16.655 I use the repair care as Do I. 0:32:16.655 --> 0:32:19.335 Get those from somewhere like Bunnings. 0:32:19.015 --> 0:32:24.215 Or repair Care I'm pretty sure is only at at 0:32:24.255 --> 0:32:27.535 the Razine color shops, So that's where I buy it from, 0:32:28.615 --> 0:32:31.255 you know, frame savers and timber preservators, and that you'll 0:32:31.255 --> 0:32:32.855 get at any of the large hardware stores. 0:32:33.815 --> 0:32:36.895 Okay, okay, So then so then should I go and 0:32:36.935 --> 0:32:45.095 make sure I put some silicon and screw down on those, 0:32:45.695 --> 0:32:49.015 you know, for the fleshings and the clear life. 0:32:49.095 --> 0:32:53.215 What you might find is that either the hole through 0:32:53.255 --> 0:32:57.255 the roofing has enlarged right so with a bit of movement, 0:32:57.415 --> 0:33:00.735 or perhaps the little near prene washer on the underside 0:33:00.855 --> 0:33:03.575 has decayed, or you know, it might have been overtightened 0:33:03.575 --> 0:33:07.175 and then it's split and come away. So yes, if 0:33:07.215 --> 0:33:09.735 you can identify where that moisture might be getting in 0:33:10.055 --> 0:33:12.335 and you replace those fixings. That'd be a great idea 0:33:12.415 --> 0:33:14.015 to cool now. 0:33:14.095 --> 0:33:16.815 Someone's also suggested, sorry, you be. 0:33:16.935 --> 0:33:19.495 Super careful walking around on top of or working on 0:33:19.535 --> 0:33:20.295 top of the clear light. 0:33:20.375 --> 0:33:26.295 He yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, I won't get 0:33:24.295 --> 0:33:30.855 up on. Someone else suggested, I've just had my house 0:33:30.895 --> 0:33:33.695 three roofs. I didn't do redo the clear light because 0:33:33.695 --> 0:33:37.255 it's not in too bad condition, but I've got an 0:33:37.295 --> 0:33:42.575 extra piece of fleshing left over, and they suggested putting 0:33:42.655 --> 0:33:47.095 fleshing over the whole of the raft that outside rafter. 0:33:47.495 --> 0:33:49.855 Would that be booth one or do you think? 0:33:50.095 --> 0:33:50.255 Yeah? 0:33:50.295 --> 0:33:53.255 Potentially, like if it's a ClearLight roofing and it just 0:33:53.375 --> 0:33:56.255 runs to the end of the pergola and then stops, 0:33:56.695 --> 0:34:00.135 there's nothing to stop water tracking back in. So effectively, 0:34:00.175 --> 0:34:02.335 if you had like an L shaped flashing that went 0:34:02.415 --> 0:34:05.095 over there so that it directed any water that falls 0:34:05.135 --> 0:34:07.855 on top of the clear light orgated clear light runs 0:34:07.855 --> 0:34:10.095 to the end and drops into the spouting. And also 0:34:10.215 --> 0:34:13.815 anything that gets blown in from the side doesn't get 0:34:13.815 --> 0:34:15.895 a chance to get blown in because the opron of 0:34:15.975 --> 0:34:18.695 the barge fleshing is there. So yes, a fleshing at 0:34:18.695 --> 0:34:20.335 either end will make a difference. 0:34:19.975 --> 0:34:24.415 As well, So there is a fleshing already over the side, 0:34:24.495 --> 0:34:26.615 but it only comes down like a couple of mil 0:34:26.735 --> 0:34:29.055 you know, it just comes from the top of the 0:34:29.095 --> 0:34:32.935 clear like down over the Douglas sphere. This was putting 0:34:32.935 --> 0:34:34.255 a full fleshing in. 0:34:35.335 --> 0:34:37.735 That would help. But to be fair, anything more than 0:34:38.175 --> 0:34:40.775 fifty millimeters used to be the code. Now it's seventy five. 0:34:40.895 --> 0:34:43.295 So if you've got seventy five milk cover from the 0:34:43.295 --> 0:34:46.135 top of the raft down that will certainly stop any 0:34:46.175 --> 0:34:46.975 moisture coming through. 0:34:47.855 --> 0:34:51.135 Okay, okay, all of the best, Thank you so much, take. 0:34:50.935 --> 0:34:53.415 Care all of us. Kathy bother then and John, quick 0:34:53.495 --> 0:34:54.695 question from you, how are you sir? 0:34:56.535 --> 0:35:00.935 I'm good. You know when you've got insulation brown into 0:35:00.935 --> 0:35:05.135 the ceiling space yep. And if you recommend topping it up. 0:35:05.015 --> 0:35:09.295 Again yes in situations. 0:35:08.735 --> 0:35:14.695 Yeah, Well if you cover those those timbers up where 0:35:14.775 --> 0:35:17.735 you walk to the ceiling, how do you know where? 0:35:17.735 --> 0:35:19.735 How do you know? Then you know where the where 0:35:19.775 --> 0:35:25.175 they where? These uh timbers are again that you usually 0:35:25.295 --> 0:35:28.375 either walk on or if it's if it's a high ceilings. 0:35:28.455 --> 0:35:30.935 Basically you've got to call on hands and knees. Now, 0:35:30.975 --> 0:35:33.295 if you blame mind on top of that, or you 0:35:33.455 --> 0:35:38.895 lay more insulation on top of that, or where identify 0:35:38.575 --> 0:35:39.095 the walk. 0:35:39.495 --> 0:35:41.415 It's the price you pay for progress. 0:35:42.695 --> 0:35:45.535 Yeah, but that's that's not answering it. I mean, you're 0:35:45.535 --> 0:35:47.335 going to be really don't you do? 0:35:47.495 --> 0:35:50.375 But but you don't get So what you're saying is 0:35:50.775 --> 0:35:52.975 what you're saying, John, And I understand where you're coming from, right, 0:35:53.015 --> 0:35:55.495 I've been in enough ceilings to go, hey, look, it's 0:35:55.575 --> 0:35:59.175 much easier if you're clambering around inside an old bungalow 0:35:59.335 --> 0:36:01.015 or a villa or something like that, and you can 0:36:01.015 --> 0:36:03.375 see the ceiling joisting and step from one to the other. 0:36:04.375 --> 0:36:08.575 But just for the occasional time that you might need 0:36:08.615 --> 0:36:12.255 to go into the ceiling, not having decent insulation there 0:36:12.655 --> 0:36:15.495 doesn't make any logical sense to me, right, So the 0:36:15.535 --> 0:36:17.855 better thing to do is to have lots of insulation 0:36:18.295 --> 0:36:20.335 and then to be a lot more cautious when you're 0:36:20.335 --> 0:36:22.375 walking around in there. The other thing too, and you'll 0:36:22.415 --> 0:36:25.175 know this because your obvious experience is that typically the 0:36:25.215 --> 0:36:28.735 ceiling joist will be in line with the rafter, right, 0:36:29.095 --> 0:36:31.655 So if as you're walking through you can see where 0:36:31.655 --> 0:36:34.975 the rafter goes down to the top plate, you know 0:36:35.055 --> 0:36:37.855 that either directly underneath it or to the left and 0:36:37.895 --> 0:36:39.895 the right, so we're only talking fifty mil either way. 0:36:40.375 --> 0:36:42.655 That's where the ceiling raft is going to be, so 0:36:42.735 --> 0:36:45.375 you will be able to find out where they are. 0:36:45.455 --> 0:36:48.655 But to me, like wanting to keep some sort of 0:36:48.695 --> 0:36:51.335 access in the roof is not a good enough reason 0:36:51.455 --> 0:36:52.615 not to do better insulation. 0:36:54.295 --> 0:36:56.495 Well, wouldn't you reader be to sucking up the old 0:36:57.255 --> 0:37:01.135 and then refit new insulation? Not all? See, because you 0:37:01.255 --> 0:37:03.495 know very well for people that know where to walk, 0:37:03.815 --> 0:37:05.775 there's too many people with climbin and roofs that they 0:37:05.855 --> 0:37:06.135 know where. 0:37:06.495 --> 0:37:09.415 Yeah, then don't let them up there. And then you know, 0:37:09.415 --> 0:37:11.135 if you don't know what you're doing, don't go there. 0:37:11.135 --> 0:37:14.615 But insulation's good. Insulation that gets rid of thermal bridging 0:37:14.695 --> 0:37:18.135 is better. I'm not going to compromise on insulation just 0:37:18.255 --> 0:37:20.975 for the sake of someone who doesn't know what they're doing. 0:37:21.655 --> 0:37:24.815 That's my opinion. I appreciate the call, buddy, all the best. 0:37:25.055 --> 0:37:27.295 Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty ten minutes away from 0:37:27.335 --> 0:37:28.415 seven back in a mow. 0:37:29.055 --> 0:37:31.455 Doing of the house sorting the guard and asked Pete 0:37:31.495 --> 0:37:34.815 for a hand. The resident builder with Peter wolfcap call 0:37:34.895 --> 0:37:39.535 oh eight hundred used dogs'd be interesting. 0:37:39.095 --> 0:37:42.055 Text as well. It's come through. Hi there, I've got 0:37:42.095 --> 0:37:44.695 a twenty year old concrete tile roof that's been sprayed 0:37:44.735 --> 0:37:48.215 for moss removal. Worked very well, the pointing and the 0:37:48.255 --> 0:37:50.495 tiles are in good condition. Now the company recommends a 0:37:50.535 --> 0:37:54.455 silicon spray to seal the tiles and then repeat the 0:37:54.455 --> 0:37:57.255 silicon every second year. Is the silicon a good idea? 0:37:57.335 --> 0:38:00.455 I was advised it's quite caustic to galvanized gutters, thank 0:38:00.455 --> 0:38:02.735 you very much from Shane. So I had a quick 0:38:02.815 --> 0:38:05.735 little google of that in terms of the impact of 0:38:05.775 --> 0:38:10.935 silicon on galvanizing, and there is the potential for it to, 0:38:14.135 --> 0:38:18.415 in what I'm reading, speed up the process of corrosion. 0:38:18.415 --> 0:38:22.095 And I'm thinking, hang on, like, anytime you do galvanized 0:38:22.135 --> 0:38:24.215 spouting and that sort of thing, if you're joining it 0:38:24.935 --> 0:38:26.975 and doing flashings, you put a bait of silicon through 0:38:26.975 --> 0:38:32.655 the join. I don't know whether it's of such significance 0:38:32.695 --> 0:38:35.695 that it would really impact on the overall lifespan of 0:38:35.735 --> 0:38:40.175 the galvanized gutters. You could always ensure that when they 0:38:40.215 --> 0:38:43.335 do the silicon spray that perhaps they mask the gutters 0:38:43.415 --> 0:38:46.455 off so that they're not filling them up with silicon spray, 0:38:47.335 --> 0:38:50.255 and certainly ceiling the roof tiles is a good idea 0:38:50.375 --> 0:38:53.335 to prevent build up. Whether or not you need to 0:38:53.335 --> 0:38:56.055 do it every two years, I'm not so sure to 0:38:56.055 --> 0:38:59.015 be fair, but go on you for looking after the roof. 0:38:59.055 --> 0:39:03.535 It's really important. Kathy, Good morning, Good morning morning. 0:39:03.575 --> 0:39:08.095 Indeed, I have just got a quick quin. You actually 0:39:08.255 --> 0:39:14.775 mentioned this. It's about sense paint versus staining better, actually 0:39:14.895 --> 0:39:18.655 mention this probably a few weeks ago, and I just 0:39:18.735 --> 0:39:21.575 caught the tail end of it. What is the best 0:39:21.615 --> 0:39:27.815 thing the sense painte versus staining? And I think, right, 0:39:27.855 --> 0:39:30.335 I better ask one of the experts, which is you? 0:39:30.655 --> 0:39:32.495 So please can I have your opinion? 0:39:32.655 --> 0:39:35.575 Well, there seems to be a difference of opinion. No 0:39:35.695 --> 0:39:39.975 surprises there. So if my attitude had kind of been 0:39:40.015 --> 0:39:43.135 if it's you know, new timber, or it's older timber 0:39:43.175 --> 0:39:47.055 that's never been painted or sealed, it's never had any 0:39:47.095 --> 0:39:51.255 application over it, then I would often say, well, why 0:39:51.255 --> 0:39:55.375 wouldn't you just use a stain because it's easier to 0:39:55.735 --> 0:39:58.335 maintain over time, it's probably a little bit easier to 0:39:58.375 --> 0:40:00.295 apply in the sense that it's you know, you're just 0:40:00.415 --> 0:40:04.135 using that product, and maybe two coats to get decent coverage. 0:40:04.815 --> 0:40:04.975 Yeah. 0:40:05.015 --> 0:40:07.935 Then I was talking to of all people, Bryce McDermott, 0:40:07.935 --> 0:40:10.135 who's going to join us in about thirty five minutes, 0:40:10.535 --> 0:40:13.015 and he was like, oh, no, I'd paint it because 0:40:13.295 --> 0:40:17.655 it gives more of a coating and it will not 0:40:17.735 --> 0:40:22.015 necessarily last longer, but it will. It will build up. 0:40:22.015 --> 0:40:24.295 It will give you more protection over time because you've 0:40:24.295 --> 0:40:28.175 got a painted surface. And look, to be fair, I'm 0:40:28.175 --> 0:40:33.535 looking at a project that I did, so old fencing, right, 0:40:33.735 --> 0:40:37.935 like forty year old fencing had that red stain that 0:40:37.975 --> 0:40:40.375 we used to have years and years ago that had 0:40:40.415 --> 0:40:43.775 all worn away almost and I got my guys to 0:40:43.895 --> 0:40:47.535 just spray it with paint, right and I and that's 0:40:47.575 --> 0:40:50.575 probably seven or eight years ago. I was back there 0:40:50.615 --> 0:40:53.015 the other day looking at it. The paint's actually still 0:40:53.095 --> 0:40:56.095 in really good condition. So I'm going to hedge my 0:40:56.175 --> 0:40:59.655 bets and say, actually, either of them will work. It 0:40:59.735 --> 0:41:02.975 might just come down to personal preference, but it seems 0:41:03.015 --> 0:41:06.055 like the painting is at least as durable and long 0:41:06.095 --> 0:41:09.135 live as the staining is, so there's there's not a 0:41:09.175 --> 0:41:12.615 lot between the two, seemingly, so sorry to be sitting 0:41:12.615 --> 0:41:15.775 on the fence pardon the pun, but that that's kind 0:41:15.775 --> 0:41:17.535 of where we land with that one, right HEO. We're 0:41:17.575 --> 0:41:20.135 back after news, sport and weather, and our painting expert 0:41:20.175 --> 0:41:22.535 is coming along. So text through your painting questions here 0:41:22.535 --> 0:41:24.295 at News Talk SEDB back after the. 0:41:24.215 --> 0:41:27.215 News, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or 0:41:27.255 --> 0:41:29.415 wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give 0:41:29.455 --> 0:41:34.095 the Peter wolf Gafa call on the resident builder on 0:41:34.175 --> 0:41:34.935 News Talks ed B. 0:41:35.535 --> 0:41:37.575 Yeah, News Talks. He'd be very good morning, welcome back 0:41:37.575 --> 0:41:39.775 to the show. It is just coming up six and 0:41:39.815 --> 0:41:42.935 a half minutes after seven. At around seven point thirty 0:41:42.975 --> 0:41:45.535 this morning, we will have our painting expert, which is 0:41:45.575 --> 0:41:48.815 Bryce McDermott from Razine Color Shops. He's going to be available, 0:41:48.815 --> 0:41:51.935 so starting to get some good look to be fair 0:41:52.015 --> 0:41:55.495 trickier the better in terms of the painting questions, right, So, 0:41:55.495 --> 0:41:58.375 so don't hold back. If you've got a terrible job, 0:41:59.095 --> 0:42:02.935 or an incredibly tricky job, or you're completely lost, then 0:42:04.095 --> 0:42:05.895 send us a text. Well we'll see if we can 0:42:05.935 --> 0:42:08.935 sort that. So Bryce will be joining us at around 0:42:08.935 --> 0:42:12.295 seven thirty and after eight o'clock, which is about an 0:42:12.295 --> 0:42:16.255 hour bit away in the studio. Actually which would be 0:42:16.295 --> 0:42:20.255 great is Charlotte McEwan from One Tree Hill College. If 0:42:20.295 --> 0:42:23.455 you happen to see it was on the One News 0:42:23.615 --> 0:42:26.695 on Monday evening. It was on the Breakfast Show on Monday. 0:42:27.295 --> 0:42:29.575 The reporter came out to One Tree Hill College and 0:42:29.655 --> 0:42:33.375 had a look around a completely refurbished three bedroom home 0:42:34.215 --> 0:42:39.775 which had been salvaged effectively from the Eastern Busway project, 0:42:39.775 --> 0:42:44.335 which is in Auckland. There's a big infrastructure infrastructure, big 0:42:44.415 --> 0:42:48.095 public transport project to extend the busway from pukerong A 0:42:48.215 --> 0:42:52.135 town center through to Botany and that meant taking away 0:42:52.655 --> 0:42:54.415 quite a number of houses. It would have been in 0:42:54.455 --> 0:42:58.695 the fifty sixty houses removed, and some of those houses, 0:42:59.135 --> 0:43:02.295 instead of just being demolished or taken away as is, 0:43:02.855 --> 0:43:04.975 one of them was picked up taken through to One 0:43:04.975 --> 0:43:08.455 Tree Hill College and then the students in conjunction with 0:43:08.615 --> 0:43:11.855 some license building practitioners and the tremendous support of a 0:43:11.935 --> 0:43:15.575 number of companies. That was actually really impressive to see 0:43:15.575 --> 0:43:18.375 the number of local businesses that stepped up, whether it 0:43:18.455 --> 0:43:23.295 was supplying insulation or Green Gorilla providing bins. I saw 0:43:23.335 --> 0:43:26.655 Steeple Ultron had put in a heat pump hot water system, 0:43:27.215 --> 0:43:30.135 there was new roofing, there was new joinery, there was carpet, 0:43:30.175 --> 0:43:32.615 there was tiles, there was paint, et cetera, et cetera, 0:43:32.935 --> 0:43:36.535 all seemingly donated by local businesses, which is fantastic. And 0:43:36.535 --> 0:43:39.255 then the students, over the course of less than a year, 0:43:40.095 --> 0:43:42.775 refurbished the house and the house is now available for sale. 0:43:42.815 --> 0:43:47.135 It's online through the local barf and Thompson Agency. I'm 0:43:47.135 --> 0:43:48.975 sure it's on trade me as well, and you can 0:43:48.975 --> 0:43:51.655 buy it. It's completely done to a very high standard 0:43:51.735 --> 0:43:54.455 and you could literally truck it off, drop it down 0:43:54.495 --> 0:43:58.135 on your place and move in. It's fantastic and that's 0:43:58.175 --> 0:44:01.735 cool in itself, But for me, what really struck me, 0:44:01.895 --> 0:44:03.415 and I think most of the people who were at 0:44:03.415 --> 0:44:06.655 the opening on Monday, was the impact it's had on 0:44:06.775 --> 0:44:10.335 the students themselves. So in terms of an introduction to 0:44:10.455 --> 0:44:12.975 trade training, I spent a little bit of time talking 0:44:13.015 --> 0:44:15.255 to a young fellow who'd been involved in the demolition 0:44:15.375 --> 0:44:18.055 and the insulation, and it's an insight into the trades 0:44:19.935 --> 0:44:22.015 to some degrees. The challenge with the trades now in 0:44:22.055 --> 0:44:24.295 terms of getting young people into it is they may 0:44:24.295 --> 0:44:29.415 not get the experience right, so you know, growing up 0:44:29.535 --> 0:44:32.655 like I grew up, Dad had a business. I worked 0:44:32.655 --> 0:44:36.375 in the factory as a kid, I worked for local builders, 0:44:36.415 --> 0:44:38.775 that sort of thing. There was the opportunity to have 0:44:39.295 --> 0:44:42.335 that exposure to what the trades were about, in the 0:44:42.375 --> 0:44:45.015 variety of trades. So for some of the young people 0:44:45.015 --> 0:44:50.295 that I spoke with, what seemed to be quite insightful 0:44:50.375 --> 0:44:53.135 for them was the opportunity maybe to work alongside the 0:44:53.135 --> 0:44:56.215 tyler or the stopper, or the painter, or the window 0:44:56.295 --> 0:45:00.295 installer or the kitchen installer. And that's what this program 0:45:00.415 --> 0:45:03.295 does for those students. So Charlotte from One Tree Hill 0:45:03.335 --> 0:45:05.015 College is going to come in and we're going to 0:45:05.015 --> 0:45:07.335 have a chat shortly and just after eight o'clock about that. 0:45:07.415 --> 0:45:10.095 Really looking forward to that, which also means, folks that 0:45:10.135 --> 0:45:12.215 you've got basically from now three to eight o'clock to 0:45:12.255 --> 0:45:14.855 ask you DIY question, So get into it. Oh, eight 0:45:14.975 --> 0:45:18.335 hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. I just 0:45:18.375 --> 0:45:20.375 want to deal with this one too. The text that's 0:45:20.375 --> 0:45:24.815 come through from Malcolm Pete. I'm wanting to attach a 0:45:24.895 --> 0:45:27.975 folding clothes line to the wall of our house. It 0:45:28.095 --> 0:45:32.095 is a fiber cement presumably fix on batons I'm trying 0:45:32.095 --> 0:45:35.255 to find the studs behind the sheeting to affix a 0:45:35.335 --> 0:45:39.295 horizontal board and then attach the clothesline. The stud finder 0:45:39.335 --> 0:45:42.095 doesn't seem to work on the substrate. Tapping and checking 0:45:42.095 --> 0:45:45.215 with a small drill hasn't helped, presumably because the batons 0:45:45.255 --> 0:45:49.575 mean I don't hasn't helped, presumably because the batons mean 0:45:49.615 --> 0:45:51.215 I don't need to use a long drill to hit 0:45:51.215 --> 0:45:53.935 the stud which I'm reluctant to do by then putting 0:45:53.935 --> 0:45:58.855 lots of holes in the wall. So suggestions, please, Look, Malcolm, 0:45:59.095 --> 0:46:02.295 I think you've identified something that's a genuine issue worth 0:46:02.655 --> 0:46:05.455 this type of construction. Well, this type of cladding, right is, 0:46:05.655 --> 0:46:08.615 if you're going to do a penetration through it later on, 0:46:09.055 --> 0:46:11.615 how do you ensure that that doesn't contribute to leaking 0:46:11.935 --> 0:46:16.735 and potential decay to the building over time? And if 0:46:16.775 --> 0:46:20.775 it's a folding clothes line, so it's it's probably two 0:46:20.855 --> 0:46:24.455 brackets separated by about one and a half meters, typically 0:46:25.255 --> 0:46:30.175 fixed in but of course you can't change the spacing 0:46:30.215 --> 0:46:34.215 of those brackets. It's fixed by the type of folding 0:46:34.255 --> 0:46:36.935 clothes line you've got. So your idea is to fix 0:46:36.975 --> 0:46:40.295 a board to the wall and then fix the brackets 0:46:40.335 --> 0:46:43.815 of the folding clothes line where you can then adjust 0:46:43.815 --> 0:46:48.415 that and fix them on there. I look to be fair, 0:46:48.855 --> 0:46:53.295 My preference would be find another alternative, like do a 0:46:53.295 --> 0:46:57.375 different type of clothes line to a pullout line. Ideally 0:46:57.455 --> 0:47:00.895 do one that doesn't actually have to be fixed to 0:47:00.935 --> 0:47:05.495 the house at all. If you do, if this is 0:47:05.535 --> 0:47:08.455 your only alter the challenge with putting a board against 0:47:08.455 --> 0:47:11.895 the house, as you're effectively creating a dam, so water 0:47:12.415 --> 0:47:16.295 is going to get trapped between the exterior cladding and 0:47:16.375 --> 0:47:19.855 the back of the board. It'll sit there, It'll potentially 0:47:19.855 --> 0:47:21.935 find its way through the fixings that you've put in 0:47:22.895 --> 0:47:27.215 and migrate. Moisture will migrate along those fixings and into 0:47:27.215 --> 0:47:30.375 the building fabric. Not a good thing. So if you 0:47:30.455 --> 0:47:32.375 were going to do that, you'd want to make sure 0:47:32.375 --> 0:47:35.415 that there's a drainage gap between the exterior cladding and 0:47:35.455 --> 0:47:38.295 the back of the board, So maybe use something like 0:47:38.335 --> 0:47:40.855 a six B two and eight but two. Make sure 0:47:40.855 --> 0:47:43.575 that you've got an EDPM washer there so that there's 0:47:43.775 --> 0:47:47.615 the EDPM washer sells the penetration and the fact that 0:47:47.655 --> 0:47:50.575 it's packed off the wall allows for drainage and ventilation 0:47:51.335 --> 0:47:53.615 in order to find the studs work from the inside out. 0:47:53.775 --> 0:47:56.335 So go inside, use your stud meter on the inside, 0:47:56.535 --> 0:47:59.215 have a reference point like a window measure along from 0:47:59.255 --> 0:48:02.455 the window, find the studs, transfer that measurement to the outside. 0:48:02.735 --> 0:48:06.295 You should be okay. But again, if at all possible, 0:48:06.455 --> 0:48:11.175 I would avoid putting penetrations after the build into into 0:48:11.215 --> 0:48:13.895 that type of clouding would be my recommendation. I eight 0:48:14.015 --> 0:48:16.095 hundred eighty ten eighty. I know that was a really 0:48:16.255 --> 0:48:20.255 lengthy dissertation on these types of cloudings, but the number 0:48:20.335 --> 0:48:23.535 of times that either I've been and other professionals who 0:48:23.535 --> 0:48:26.295 work in the space have been to houses where people 0:48:26.335 --> 0:48:29.095 have have fixed, you know, washing lines et cetera, et 0:48:29.135 --> 0:48:32.775 cetera through the cladding without detailing it well, and then 0:48:33.175 --> 0:48:36.455 there's basically you're creating leaks right drilling holes in your 0:48:36.495 --> 0:48:39.215 cladding not sealing it properly, and it's going to leak. 0:48:39.335 --> 0:48:41.575 So don't do that. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:48:41.655 --> 0:48:44.375 is the number to call Ellen. Very good morning to you. 0:48:44.935 --> 0:48:46.215 Good morning crazy to me. 0:48:46.495 --> 0:48:49.175 They're not pad Actually talk to me about scaffle planks. 0:48:49.215 --> 0:48:50.695 I quite like scaffole planks. 0:48:50.775 --> 0:48:51.255 Go for it. 0:48:52.335 --> 0:48:58.335 Yeah, I bought two new scaffold planks right, laminade apply, 0:48:58.935 --> 0:49:02.535 they got to all restriction general there, all of gaff 0:49:02.575 --> 0:49:07.775 on the side of them, yep, And they are so smooth. 0:49:08.055 --> 0:49:10.095 I just don't like standing on them. 0:49:11.615 --> 0:49:15.295 I always stand on a rough so on yeah, yeah, 0:49:15.335 --> 0:49:22.895 twelve or two. Yeah, Well, I'm. 0:49:22.815 --> 0:49:25.535 Kind of chuckling because I was doing a job last 0:49:25.575 --> 0:49:28.055 week where I had to set up just very low 0:49:28.095 --> 0:49:31.535 scaffolding right, you know, on top of sawhorses and the 0:49:31.535 --> 0:49:33.975 second runing of the ladder, just to work on facier 0:49:34.015 --> 0:49:36.495 and saft and spouting. And I've got a bunch of 0:49:36.655 --> 0:49:39.935 laminated scaffold planks as well, but mine are of such 0:49:39.975 --> 0:49:42.295 a vintage that they might have been smooth once, but 0:49:42.335 --> 0:49:45.215 they certainly aren't anymore. So I get that sort of 0:49:45.215 --> 0:49:49.895 slip resistance type thing. Look, if you left them out 0:49:49.935 --> 0:49:53.775 in the sun for about a week, they'd probably change complexion. 0:49:55.935 --> 0:49:59.255 Yeah yeah, what about the rain? 0:50:01.375 --> 0:50:04.215 Look, you know, like I store mine under the house. 0:50:04.295 --> 0:50:05.855 I like to keep them out of the rain and 0:50:06.415 --> 0:50:09.855 keep them dry. But inevitably, when I do use them, 0:50:09.895 --> 0:50:11.815 if it's going to rain, well they're going to get wet, right, 0:50:12.255 --> 0:50:14.575 and and so they will weather and age with that. 0:50:17.535 --> 0:50:21.855 I mean, look. 0:50:21.655 --> 0:50:26.215 I probably wouldn't I think that. I've never I hear 0:50:26.215 --> 0:50:29.095 what you're saying about that, But surely it would only 0:50:29.135 --> 0:50:32.455 be an actual concern if you've if you've got them, 0:50:32.495 --> 0:50:34.975 they're brand new, and it rains and then you're you're 0:50:35.015 --> 0:50:38.135 on them straight away after its rain. If they're dry, 0:50:38.735 --> 0:50:41.175 I don't think they'd have much. They wouldn't be that 0:50:41.255 --> 0:50:44.215 slippery if they're just dry, are they They're very smart, 0:50:45.895 --> 0:50:49.095 they're very smooth, but that shouldn't necessarily make them slippery. 0:50:49.135 --> 0:50:51.975 I mean, it's still timber, right, There's there's still it's 0:50:52.055 --> 0:50:55.215 still fibrous. There's still little undulations in the in the 0:50:55.255 --> 0:50:58.175 timber and that sort of thing. If you're wearing decent 0:50:58.255 --> 0:51:01.495 quality Funny, I was having a long term talk with 0:51:01.575 --> 0:51:03.735 a nurse at the accident and emergency the other day. 0:51:03.815 --> 0:51:06.975 That's a whole other story about people working and crocs. 0:51:07.695 --> 0:51:09.135 So you know, as long as you're not wearing old 0:51:09.215 --> 0:51:11.215 jandles or crops or something like that, you've got a 0:51:11.215 --> 0:51:15.095 pair of decent shoes on or decent boots and you're 0:51:15.095 --> 0:51:19.015 not working in the rain. Yeah, I don't know whether 0:51:19.055 --> 0:51:22.215 i'd paint them. Saying that when I packed mine away 0:51:22.255 --> 0:51:25.455 the other day, I painted the ends just like fifty 0:51:25.495 --> 0:51:27.935 mil I just I've finished painting. I had some paint 0:51:28.015 --> 0:51:29.575 left in the pot and that sort of thing, and 0:51:29.615 --> 0:51:31.975 I quickly whipped around the ends. That's more as a 0:51:32.095 --> 0:51:35.175 visual queue to go. That's the end of the board right, 0:51:37.375 --> 0:51:43.335 already painted. Ah okay, oh, that's brilliant. I hear what 0:51:43.375 --> 0:51:47.535 you're saying. I just think that I look to be fair. 0:51:47.615 --> 0:51:49.335 I would have thought that painting it, and if you 0:51:49.415 --> 0:51:51.895 paint it and you don't put any sort of grit 0:51:52.015 --> 0:51:55.255 in it, it will be even slipperer than just the timber. 0:51:56.375 --> 0:52:00.615 Yeah right, yeah, but hey, look, I hear what you're saying, 0:52:00.615 --> 0:52:04.095 and I'm not dismissive of it, but I'd just be 0:52:04.135 --> 0:52:05.975 a little bit cautious about painting them, and then you 0:52:06.055 --> 0:52:07.335 might that they're more slippery. 0:52:08.255 --> 0:52:09.535 I usually wear crops. 0:52:14.015 --> 0:52:15.895 It looked just between you and I. I was sitting 0:52:15.895 --> 0:52:18.615 there and they're going through a medical record and then 0:52:18.655 --> 0:52:22.135 she goes, oh, I, hey two thousand and seeveneen or something. 0:52:22.135 --> 0:52:26.895 You came in because you again wearing crocs, old ones. 0:52:26.895 --> 0:52:30.615 They were quite slippery. And I went outside on the 0:52:30.615 --> 0:52:33.775 wet front stairs, slipped over and crashed down onto the 0:52:33.775 --> 0:52:36.935 stairs right and had to go and have someone look 0:52:36.935 --> 0:52:38.495 at my back afterwards and that sort of thing. And 0:52:38.895 --> 0:52:42.935 so while she's fixing mother buts and pieces, she's like, oh, 0:52:43.015 --> 0:52:44.855 I see that you wear crocs when you're working outside. 0:52:44.895 --> 0:52:47.175 And I'm like, jee because it's in my medical records. Now, 0:52:49.175 --> 0:52:52.055 I don't to be fair. I try. Look, I still 0:52:52.095 --> 0:52:56.255 wear crocs, but I don't wear them when I'm working anymore. Brilliant, 0:52:56.255 --> 0:53:01.095 all right, but you look after yourself, all right. Yeah, 0:53:01.095 --> 0:53:03.175 you'll be good. Yeah, put some boots that stay away 0:53:03.175 --> 0:53:05.455 from the rain. You'll be fine. All of this you allen? Oh, 0:53:05.455 --> 0:53:07.895 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? 0:53:08.415 --> 0:53:11.015 Quick text as well? Pete, I've got a quick question. Indeed, 0:53:11.255 --> 0:53:13.735 who do I call to fix a broken locking lever 0:53:13.895 --> 0:53:17.975 on an aluminium bifold joinery from Lee? Look, there's a 0:53:18.055 --> 0:53:21.175 number of sort of aluminium joinery repair companies out there. 0:53:22.535 --> 0:53:25.175 It seems that the one with the widest reach is 0:53:25.255 --> 0:53:31.135 probably Exceed. You'll find them online and it'll be fine. 0:53:31.735 --> 0:53:33.655 Some bill has just text for old meat needs to 0:53:33.735 --> 0:53:36.255 keep his planks level. Yeah, I mean most of us do, 0:53:36.255 --> 0:53:38.335 don't we. I mean there's always a little bit of undulation. 0:53:38.775 --> 0:53:40.655 I had sort of like three planks in a row 0:53:40.735 --> 0:53:44.655 set up sort of you know, sawhorse, sawhorse, a frame 0:53:45.015 --> 0:53:47.375 and then planks in between, so I could move along 0:53:47.415 --> 0:53:50.375 the entire sort of six meter length of the side 0:53:50.375 --> 0:53:54.095 of the garage to do nog it out, extend the rafters, 0:53:54.455 --> 0:53:57.375 put in some nogging for the safit, hang the facial board, 0:53:57.455 --> 0:54:00.695 put the safita in, do all the painting, hang the spouting. 0:54:03.175 --> 0:54:09.215 Having good access is just so critical, like having a decent, stable, 0:54:09.655 --> 0:54:13.175 safe platform to work on. And I'm talking, you know, 0:54:13.615 --> 0:54:15.455 six hundred off the ground or something like that, right, 0:54:15.455 --> 0:54:16.935 so we're not way up in the air or anything 0:54:16.975 --> 0:54:24.255 like that, but safe, practical and well set up high 0:54:24.335 --> 0:54:27.495 taccess is absolutely critical. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten 0:54:27.575 --> 0:54:30.775 eighty is the number to cour And another quick text 0:54:30.775 --> 0:54:34.015 as well, Hey Pete, you mentioned earbuds or something about 0:54:34.055 --> 0:54:38.495 hearing protection ear bloods. Tell you what Tomorrow I'm doing 0:54:38.495 --> 0:54:40.775 an interview and we'll play that perhaps next Sunday on 0:54:40.815 --> 0:54:45.295 the show with an associate professor of audiology to talk 0:54:45.335 --> 0:54:49.175 about the efficacy of noise canceling earbuds in terms of 0:54:49.215 --> 0:54:51.935 hearing protection. It's been a little bit of a bugbear 0:54:52.015 --> 0:54:55.615 of mine I'm not convinced that you're getting the protection 0:54:55.895 --> 0:54:59.935 you need in a high noise environment like a construction 0:55:00.055 --> 0:55:04.335 site or while using power tools. I'll be really honest, 0:55:04.375 --> 0:55:06.615 I don't think that. I can't see how the noise 0:55:06.655 --> 0:55:10.855 canceling headphones prevent that initial impact of noise on your hearing. 0:55:10.935 --> 0:55:14.255 So I've never used them. I'm but old fashioned. I 0:55:14.335 --> 0:55:18.015 just go for hearing protection as an ear mus I've 0:55:18.055 --> 0:55:21.735 got some that have, you know, bluetooth and speakers in them, 0:55:21.775 --> 0:55:24.335 which I keep at a low level. I don't need 0:55:24.375 --> 0:55:27.815 to be blasting music into my ears while I'm working, 0:55:27.895 --> 0:55:29.775 but it is a nice distraction. I can listen to 0:55:29.815 --> 0:55:31.615 the radio, I can listen to podcasts, I can listen 0:55:31.655 --> 0:55:36.615 to music while I'm working away. But my preference has 0:55:36.655 --> 0:55:38.775 always been for that. So anyway, we're going to get 0:55:38.775 --> 0:55:42.255 some proper advice from an associate professor of audiology on 0:55:42.295 --> 0:55:44.295 that particular issue next week on the show, So looking 0:55:44.295 --> 0:55:46.975 forward to that. Twenty minutes twenty and a half after seven, 0:55:47.095 --> 0:55:48.775 we'll take a short break. We'll talk to Eric in 0:55:48.815 --> 0:55:50.575 a moment. If you'd like to join us, eight hundred 0:55:50.615 --> 0:55:53.815 and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, and 0:55:54.095 --> 0:55:56.895 if you've got any painting questions for Bryce, our painting 0:55:56.975 --> 0:56:00.495 expert from Razine. He'll be available from about seven thirty 0:56:00.535 --> 0:56:03.215 this morning, so text them through as well. Like I say, 0:56:03.255 --> 0:56:05.455 the trickier the better for Bryce, we need to keep 0:56:05.535 --> 0:56:08.015 challenging him. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the 0:56:08.095 --> 0:56:12.255 number to call. Squeaky door or squeaky floor. 0:56:12.415 --> 0:56:15.735 Get the right advice from Peter wolfcaf the resident builder 0:56:15.975 --> 0:56:16.975 on NEWSTALKSB. 0:56:17.695 --> 0:56:19.855 I love this text from Steve. This is a pearler. 0:56:20.535 --> 0:56:22.815 You said your old fashioned. Doesn't that mean you don't 0:56:22.935 --> 0:56:30.175 use any hearing protection? Haha, very droll, very funny, Thank you, Steve. No, look, 0:56:30.215 --> 0:56:32.015 to be fair, it's actually a bit personal for me 0:56:32.055 --> 0:56:37.375 in the sense that my dad had a metal work business. 0:56:37.895 --> 0:56:40.815 We made chairs and boat anchors, metal ones, the Coeny 0:56:40.855 --> 0:56:42.775 boat anchors if you remember those back in the day, 0:56:43.615 --> 0:56:46.535 and that sort of mid century metal furniture that got 0:56:47.015 --> 0:56:50.495 the cane weaving around it. So that was that was 0:56:50.535 --> 0:56:53.935 our business, our family business, and so Dad would be 0:56:53.935 --> 0:56:57.375 in the factory five six, seven days a week, you know, 0:56:57.495 --> 0:57:00.535 straightening steel, banging things, cutting stuff and all the rest 0:57:00.575 --> 0:57:03.775 of it. Really did I see, and we're hearing protection. 0:57:04.695 --> 0:57:10.815 And you know, we're talking shivers late sixties, seventies through 0:57:10.855 --> 0:57:16.415 to the mid eighties before we retired, and so the 0:57:16.455 --> 0:57:18.335 ear muffs were there, but they were hanging on the 0:57:18.375 --> 0:57:24.975 wall right And later in life is hearing declined and 0:57:25.255 --> 0:57:28.055 it became harder and harder to watch the TV without 0:57:28.055 --> 0:57:33.935 having it on sound setting seventy and to be really honest, 0:57:34.015 --> 0:57:37.015 you know, disengaged and not able to be part of conversations. 0:57:37.055 --> 0:57:39.615 The hearing losses has a real impact right on people's 0:57:39.615 --> 0:57:42.255 lives going forward, and I think that stuck with me 0:57:42.455 --> 0:57:46.135 and so ever since I started building, I've tried to 0:57:46.175 --> 0:57:49.815 be as diligent as I can be around protecting my hearing. 0:57:50.615 --> 0:57:53.575 You you know, you get one chance at looking after them, 0:57:54.215 --> 0:57:57.135 and that's why I get, you know, have such a 0:57:57.175 --> 0:58:01.095 concern around young people on sites, you know, maybe using 0:58:01.215 --> 0:58:04.215 and potentially there's some benefit to them, I'm just not 0:58:04.375 --> 0:58:08.415 convinced about their efficacy. Tracking down the associate professor of 0:58:08.455 --> 0:58:11.855 Audeology from Worklala Medical School, who I'm going to interview tomorrow, 0:58:11.895 --> 0:58:14.015 which would be great, and we'll have that interview for 0:58:14.055 --> 0:58:16.335 you next week. Remember Bryce's along shortly, so if you've 0:58:16.335 --> 0:58:18.535 got any painting questions, flick them through, and then we'll 0:58:18.535 --> 0:58:20.975 carry on with the building talkback through to eight o'clock, 0:58:21.175 --> 0:58:23.895 and then after eight o'clock, Charlotte mchow And, who is 0:58:23.975 --> 0:58:27.255 teacher in charge of trades, isn't that a fantastic title 0:58:27.575 --> 0:58:30.375 at one Tree Hill College, is going to join me. 0:58:30.455 --> 0:58:32.815 She's actually coming into the studio. We talk about the 0:58:32.815 --> 0:58:37.015 project and talk about the impact on young people in 0:58:37.095 --> 0:58:39.855 terms of the opportunity to engage with the trades, see 0:58:39.855 --> 0:58:43.415 what's available, and maybe start their journey into the trades 0:58:43.895 --> 0:58:46.775 from school, which I think is a fantastic idea. Eric, 0:58:46.815 --> 0:58:49.695 good morning, Good morning, Peter, how are you? 0:58:50.535 --> 0:58:51.255 Yeah? Good good? 0:58:51.775 --> 0:58:54.855 I let my LBP laps when I retired, so I'm 0:58:54.895 --> 0:58:57.975 not quite up with a play. Sure, some friends of 0:58:58.015 --> 0:59:00.615 ours wander at wooden joinery out of a weather board 0:59:00.775 --> 0:59:05.495 house and replace it with aluminum joinery. Would that require 0:59:06.055 --> 0:59:09.015 a hermits? Because there's nothing structural involved, but there'd be 0:59:09.415 --> 0:59:12.655 head flashings involved, So would that require a permit? 0:59:14.055 --> 0:59:18.935 Great question? I would incline to saying no, it wouldn't 0:59:20.175 --> 0:59:23.375 so as so, typically within Schedule one of the Building Act, 0:59:23.455 --> 0:59:27.135 it describes work that can be done, particularly maintenance work 0:59:27.175 --> 0:59:31.935 without necessarily requiring a consent. So, for example, they removed 0:59:32.175 --> 0:59:35.735 a A are they looking? Because there's a couple of ways 0:59:35.775 --> 0:59:38.775 of doing this. One is to if it's let's say, 0:59:38.975 --> 0:59:42.135 you know, nineteen fifties nineteen sixties joinery, you either pull 0:59:42.175 --> 0:59:46.655 the entire frame out and replace it, or in some cases, 0:59:47.175 --> 0:59:49.975 you leave the frame in, which means leaving the sill 0:59:50.095 --> 0:59:53.415 and the head flashing in, remove all of the sashes 0:59:53.775 --> 0:59:56.455 and either fixed sashes or opening sashes and a mullion 0:59:56.775 --> 1:00:00.895 and inserting a replacement joinery component into that opening. 1:00:01.895 --> 1:00:03.855 Do you know they want to pull it out because 1:00:03.895 --> 1:00:04.735 the storms. 1:00:04.415 --> 1:00:12.255 Have gone Yeah, okay, yep, I still your BP. Still 1:00:12.415 --> 1:00:14.815 I think there's an advantage to having the work done 1:00:14.815 --> 1:00:18.015 by an LBP, and if they're not changing the width 1:00:18.095 --> 1:00:20.655 of any of the openings. So if they were to say, 1:00:20.735 --> 1:00:23.415 oh that, you know, meet a wide window, while we've 1:00:23.415 --> 1:00:26.015 got the chance, we're going to knock out a bit 1:00:26.015 --> 1:00:28.895 of framing and extend it to one point two meters, 1:00:29.175 --> 1:00:31.895 that would trigger a requirement for a building consent. But 1:00:32.015 --> 1:00:36.495 I think replacing the joinery effectively from timber to aluminium 1:00:37.055 --> 1:00:41.575 wouldn't require a building consent. I do suggest that they 1:00:41.655 --> 1:00:44.695 have someone detail the type of work that they've done 1:00:44.895 --> 1:00:49.295 and how they've sorted out flashings and so on. But no, 1:00:49.375 --> 1:00:51.055 I don't think they need a building consent for that. 1:00:52.015 --> 1:00:55.455 Okay, cool? And one quick question when you have painting 1:00:55.495 --> 1:00:58.855 gouy on. I have a carboard with a chillder in 1:00:58.895 --> 1:01:01.935 it where I process sheep and deer and some pieces, 1:01:02.255 --> 1:01:04.775 and I've been doing it in the same car for 1:01:04.775 --> 1:01:06.775 four years now. And I want to paint a floor. 1:01:07.215 --> 1:01:11.095 What what would I treat the concrete with? Because obviously 1:01:11.095 --> 1:01:16.775 there's blood. What would I what would the concrete with 1:01:16.935 --> 1:01:19.655 burst because I want to paint it with whether I 1:01:19.655 --> 1:01:22.535 think it's soul power or would like a concrete under paint. 1:01:22.735 --> 1:01:29.895 Yeah, sure, I would probably use like an exterior house 1:01:30.055 --> 1:01:32.775 wash would probably do it right because it's designed to 1:01:32.775 --> 1:01:34.695 get rid of moss and mold and those sorts of things. 1:01:34.735 --> 1:01:37.655 So look, I'll talk to Bryce about it, but I 1:01:37.975 --> 1:01:41.615 think a proprietary house wash would be enough. You could 1:01:41.615 --> 1:01:45.895 always use like spirait assaults, you know in the old language, 1:01:46.015 --> 1:01:47.775 if you wanted to do it over the concrete and 1:01:47.815 --> 1:01:51.295 then a sealer and then a top coat. There's also 1:01:51.655 --> 1:01:53.415 you know, I'm doing a project with us in a 1:01:53.415 --> 1:01:56.695 couple of weeks time a new one from Razine Construction 1:01:56.815 --> 1:01:59.775 Systems which is a micro cement, so you could do 1:01:59.895 --> 1:02:02.615 like a thin render over the entire surface. Still want 1:02:02.655 --> 1:02:05.175 to do the preparation, but if you just want to 1:02:05.175 --> 1:02:08.975 paint it, I think proprietary house wash product and then 1:02:09.215 --> 1:02:12.135 straight over with your top coats. But stay listening and 1:02:12.535 --> 1:02:13.895 I'll ask Bryce quickly as well. 1:02:14.575 --> 1:02:14.935 Thanks you. 1:02:14.975 --> 1:02:18.055 How all all of this take care all this year, 1:02:18.215 --> 1:02:21.015 take care and just on the joinery. So I was 1:02:21.215 --> 1:02:26.535 on a project earlier this week where some building surveyors 1:02:26.575 --> 1:02:29.295 have been engaged by the owner of the property. So 1:02:29.415 --> 1:02:32.175 Building Surveys is and members of the New Zealand of 1:02:32.175 --> 1:02:36.935 Building Surveys and they're registered building Surveys as well to 1:02:36.975 --> 1:02:42.615 determine a whether the cladding will perform. And one of 1:02:42.695 --> 1:02:44.615 the things we were talking about is this is a 1:02:44.815 --> 1:02:48.335 sort of nineteen fifties house that had the timber joinery 1:02:48.455 --> 1:02:52.335 removed sometime probably in the late nineteen nineties early two 1:02:52.415 --> 1:02:56.215 thousands and replaced with aluminium jowinery. Window size is still 1:02:56.255 --> 1:02:59.495 the same, so the opening hasn't changed, the cladding hasn't changed. Obviously, 1:02:59.495 --> 1:03:03.855 the head flashing detail is slightly different and the opinion 1:03:03.975 --> 1:03:07.015 was very much that work didn't require a building consent 1:03:07.095 --> 1:03:09.815 at the time. Certainly doesn't require a building consent now so, 1:03:10.895 --> 1:03:13.135 but always pays to ask. Eight hundred and eighty ten 1:03:13.175 --> 1:03:14.775 eighty will take a short break, and then we've got 1:03:14.775 --> 1:03:18.455 Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine. He'll be joining 1:03:18.495 --> 1:03:20.975 us in a moment. I think we might have time 1:03:21.015 --> 1:03:24.015 for one or two other texts questions for him, so 1:03:24.135 --> 1:03:24.895 flick him through now. 1:03:25.015 --> 1:03:29.695 Bryce up next, helping you get those DIY projects done right. 1:03:29.895 --> 1:03:32.615 The resident builder with peta wolf care call. 1:03:35.615 --> 1:03:37.975 And a very very good morning to our painting expert 1:03:38.135 --> 1:03:40.335 from Razine. Bryce McDermott, Good morning. 1:03:40.095 --> 1:03:43.615 Sir, Good morning, just listening to that man with the 1:03:44.935 --> 1:03:47.295 with the sort of semi abatoire. 1:03:47.735 --> 1:03:54.455 Yeah, some some fairly deep cleaning products will be needed 1:03:54.535 --> 1:03:58.655 there to to remove what sounds like years of blood 1:03:58.695 --> 1:03:59.055 and gats. 1:03:59.095 --> 1:04:03.815 Basically, yeah, that's body sets stuff. Yeah, just you know, 1:04:04.015 --> 1:04:06.615 not to put to fine a point on it, but 1:04:06.735 --> 1:04:10.295 you know it would need some fairly serious cleaning to 1:04:10.295 --> 1:04:12.855 get the stuff out of the pause of the concrete. Yes, 1:04:13.015 --> 1:04:14.775 and maybe even a diamond grinding. 1:04:15.655 --> 1:04:18.455 Ah. You know someone mentioned I think you and I 1:04:18.535 --> 1:04:20.375 have talked about this over the years. So like doing 1:04:20.375 --> 1:04:23.575 a garage floor, maybe you've got an older garage floor, 1:04:23.615 --> 1:04:26.015 that's okay, and then you decide, actually, I want to 1:04:26.015 --> 1:04:29.495 do a paint surface over it. And lots of people 1:04:29.495 --> 1:04:33.135 have said give it a quick diamond grind, which if 1:04:33.175 --> 1:04:36.455 you've got the right equipment, most people could do themselves, 1:04:37.415 --> 1:04:39.135 or you could get someone in to do it. And 1:04:39.175 --> 1:04:42.575 then what's the benefit of that, just removing that slightly 1:04:42.655 --> 1:04:45.935 textured surface and giving you a smoother surface to work with. 1:04:46.775 --> 1:04:50.215 Well, it's sort of basically the idea is to get 1:04:50.215 --> 1:04:55.655 it to the feel of one hundred right, okay, And 1:04:55.695 --> 1:04:59.535 it also takes water out of the equation as well. Yes, 1:05:00.495 --> 1:05:05.775 you know, if you're using acid etching or something like that, 1:05:05.335 --> 1:05:08.975 you know there's a lot of water involved, so you've 1:05:08.975 --> 1:05:11.295 got to wait till the floor drives out completely. Yes, 1:05:12.695 --> 1:05:15.735 dimond grinding takes that out of the equation, right, knocks. 1:05:15.495 --> 1:05:19.775 Off that surface. Okay, Well, that's that's great, That's that's 1:05:19.775 --> 1:05:22.415 good advice for him. Hey, now, just before we rip 1:05:22.415 --> 1:05:26.175 into the texts, I know there's there's an old phrase 1:05:26.215 --> 1:05:28.895 around you know, tradesman never blames as tools in terms 1:05:28.935 --> 1:05:32.175 of getting a good finish. But let's be realistic, having 1:05:32.455 --> 1:05:35.855 good gear makes a big difference in terms of the finish, right, 1:05:35.895 --> 1:05:38.615 So if you've got a rubbish brush that you haven't 1:05:38.775 --> 1:05:41.455 washed and it's it's more solid than it is flexible 1:05:41.495 --> 1:05:43.295 and those sorts of things, there's no way that you're 1:05:43.295 --> 1:05:45.935 going to get a decent finish if you're using rubbish gear. 1:05:46.575 --> 1:05:49.735 You know, I mean, you spend good money on you know, 1:05:49.775 --> 1:05:53.455 on paying to mix a good finish, you know, So 1:05:54.335 --> 1:05:56.655 it doesn't hurt to have good tools to do the job. 1:05:56.735 --> 1:06:00.655 I mean applose to basically any trade. Sure, you know, 1:06:00.775 --> 1:06:03.815 if you've got the right tools that you look after them, 1:06:04.055 --> 1:06:06.655 you will get the finish that you expect. Yes, save 1:06:06.775 --> 1:06:10.175 disappointment in the long run. You know, buy a good roll, 1:06:10.255 --> 1:06:12.415 a sleep, buy a good brush. You know they'll last 1:06:12.495 --> 1:06:13.975 you for years. 1:06:14.615 --> 1:06:16.975 But the last thing for years is really about how 1:06:17.015 --> 1:06:19.335 you look after them as well, in terms of cleaning them, 1:06:19.455 --> 1:06:21.735 drying them, you know that that sort of thing. And 1:06:21.975 --> 1:06:24.175 I've just been doing some stuff and you know, I'm 1:06:24.255 --> 1:06:26.575 using brushes and that that I've had for a couple 1:06:26.615 --> 1:06:30.295 of years. But I try and when I finished with 1:06:30.335 --> 1:06:33.095 the painting, clean the brush thoroughly, I hang it up, 1:06:33.175 --> 1:06:35.175 let it dry out, and okay, it might be a 1:06:35.215 --> 1:06:36.935 little bit stiff when I grab it a couple of 1:06:37.015 --> 1:06:39.895 weeks later. But you know, a quick sort of brush 1:06:39.935 --> 1:06:42.535 over a surface or hit it with a wire brush 1:06:42.535 --> 1:06:44.215 and that sort of thing, and it's absolutely fine. But 1:06:44.575 --> 1:06:46.455 cleaning them well is really important. 1:06:47.495 --> 1:06:49.775 And you know, then then smooths them out so that 1:06:50.895 --> 1:06:52.975 you know, the brush looks like it's come out of 1:06:53.215 --> 1:06:57.655 the packet, right, yes, you know, keep those filaments nice 1:06:57.655 --> 1:07:01.055 and straight and everything like that and you'll have a good, 1:07:01.535 --> 1:07:04.455 decent brush that will last you a long time. It's worthy. 1:07:05.735 --> 1:07:08.055 So throwing a brush in a bucket of water or 1:07:08.055 --> 1:07:10.175 in a pot of water and then letting the bristles 1:07:10.215 --> 1:07:13.295 ben ninety degrees, that's not good. 1:07:14.935 --> 1:07:24.895 Well, it will help you, budt No, but I'm seriously, yeah, absolutely. 1:07:26.255 --> 1:07:29.335 If you see a packet of roller sleeves at the 1:07:29.375 --> 1:07:31.655 local the local ban. 1:07:31.735 --> 1:07:34.935 You know, yeah, and they're they're five for a dollar, then. 1:07:35.175 --> 1:07:37.055 Yeah, I just think twice. 1:07:37.215 --> 1:07:38.295 Yeah, you know you're not going. 1:07:39.735 --> 1:07:42.535 You know, it's it's it's a horrible thing. I've a 1:07:42.575 --> 1:07:45.815 couple of times where people have you know, spent a 1:07:45.815 --> 1:07:49.015 lot of money on painting them the roller sleeves, and 1:07:49.015 --> 1:07:51.415 they going, well, why is it a crep? 1:07:52.855 --> 1:07:58.015 Excuse my language, I hear what you're saying. I think, yeah, 1:07:58.415 --> 1:08:01.815 buying quality gear and looking after it. No one's even 1:08:01.855 --> 1:08:04.855 disappointed by that, right, let's get amongst some of these 1:08:05.335 --> 1:08:09.415 painting questions. So, Shane, a nineteen seventies unit on the 1:08:09.455 --> 1:08:12.295 second floor, the outside set of concrete stairs has a 1:08:12.375 --> 1:08:15.375 rusty wrought iron handrail. I mean, you and I got 1:08:15.375 --> 1:08:18.175 that picture in our minds straight away, after the sandpaper 1:08:18.295 --> 1:08:20.415 and spraying with a bit of rust off? What paint 1:08:20.455 --> 1:08:23.975 should I apply to control any further rust? And what 1:08:24.055 --> 1:08:25.335 type of top coat? Please? 1:08:27.455 --> 1:08:30.015 Oh? Well, it depends how much rust has then got 1:08:30.015 --> 1:08:32.895 off and the metals exposed. 1:08:33.095 --> 1:08:33.135 Me. 1:08:33.335 --> 1:08:38.335 You know that's a standing to remove rustle or you know, 1:08:39.015 --> 1:08:41.375 a wire bust. Yes, to get it back to nice 1:08:41.415 --> 1:08:47.175 clean it's probably very important. And then you know, if 1:08:47.215 --> 1:08:52.575 you want something that's quick and you know, and I 1:08:52.615 --> 1:08:57.095 would consider using a product of ours called GP Primer, right, 1:08:59.175 --> 1:09:01.095 but make sure you get it back to clean metal 1:09:01.175 --> 1:09:04.295 and prime exactly the same day, because if you live 1:09:04.335 --> 1:09:07.895 it over again, I'll have to start all over again. Yep. 1:09:09.015 --> 1:09:13.495 So you know GP primer, very very sick good primer 1:09:13.655 --> 1:09:17.295 just for the DIY sort of project, and then you 1:09:17.335 --> 1:09:19.855 can proceed with any top cut over the top of 1:09:19.895 --> 1:09:22.455 that that you'd like. You could do an enamel top coat, 1:09:22.495 --> 1:09:24.335 but I would leave the prime to drive for a 1:09:24.375 --> 1:09:28.095 few days before you do that. Yes, but you can 1:09:28.215 --> 1:09:30.855 use water born coatings as well. You know, something like 1:09:30.855 --> 1:09:35.455 a namecrel or lust crawl would do the job quite happily. 1:09:35.575 --> 1:09:38.895 Okay, brilliant, Thank you very much, morning, Pete. Can you 1:09:38.935 --> 1:09:41.455 ask Bryce what is the best way to repaint an 1:09:41.535 --> 1:09:45.335 error an aluminium garage tilted door? So not we don't 1:09:45.335 --> 1:09:48.215 have the flexibility issues you know over roller door. So 1:09:48.735 --> 1:09:53.215 aluminium tilts door. Let's assume that it's never been painted, 1:09:53.255 --> 1:09:55.775 so it's beer aluminium and it's probably twenty or thirty 1:09:55.815 --> 1:09:56.215 years old. 1:09:59.135 --> 1:10:02.215 Again, you know, you'd have to clean it down like 1:10:03.575 --> 1:10:05.655 we have a product called roof and Metal wash that 1:10:05.695 --> 1:10:11.055 would we'll get that surface ready for painting and stuff 1:10:11.095 --> 1:10:13.295 like that. You remove all the grease and then thing 1:10:13.375 --> 1:10:15.615 out of the tracks on the side of the door. Yep. 1:10:17.375 --> 1:10:21.415 And if it is bear aluminion, then GP primer again 1:10:22.655 --> 1:10:25.015 would be a good base coat for that, and then 1:10:25.055 --> 1:10:30.055 you could put something like water board enamel or even 1:10:31.215 --> 1:10:34.815 our roof paint summit roof, Yes, would go quite happily 1:10:34.855 --> 1:10:35.975 on that surface as well. 1:10:36.095 --> 1:10:44.215 Okay, so the summit roof paint, that's good. This one's 1:10:44.255 --> 1:10:48.055 going to have Mike from razine blower's top. But this 1:10:48.135 --> 1:10:52.015 is a great question. You'll understand the chuckle in this, Hey, 1:10:52.095 --> 1:10:54.815 Pete and the razine man. That's you, Bryce. I've got 1:10:54.855 --> 1:10:57.855 a house that's ten years old rock cot plastic exterior 1:10:57.935 --> 1:11:01.615 originally painted with Razine X two hundred when repainting. Should 1:11:01.615 --> 1:11:03.455 I use X two hundred again? Or is there a 1:11:03.495 --> 1:11:05.935 better product? And when do I? And do I need 1:11:05.935 --> 1:11:06.775 one or two? 1:11:07.095 --> 1:11:07.455 Brian? 1:11:07.615 --> 1:11:10.575 Well, even I can say, Brian, there is no better 1:11:10.615 --> 1:11:12.215 product than razine X two hundred. 1:11:12.255 --> 1:11:15.975 So I sure ever ever had an issue with X 1:11:16.015 --> 1:11:20.695 two hundred. Yeah, and I've been with razine for thty 1:11:20.775 --> 1:11:24.695 odd years. Yep, it's a great product. Just you know, 1:11:25.095 --> 1:11:27.095 give it a good if its sound, give it a 1:11:27.095 --> 1:11:31.055 good wash down, yes, house wash and paint prep spot 1:11:31.095 --> 1:11:34.015 so many bear areas for shoe seal and then recoate 1:11:34.055 --> 1:11:36.135 with X two hundreds and you won't have to worry 1:11:36.175 --> 1:11:36.575 about it. 1:11:36.695 --> 1:11:40.175 So typically, in terms of the recoat. Let's say it's 1:11:40.175 --> 1:11:43.335 been seven eight years since the other coat was applied. 1:11:43.855 --> 1:11:47.095 One coat or two coats or. 1:11:47.215 --> 1:11:48.575 Do two too? 1:11:48.815 --> 1:11:52.935 Yeah, yep, absolutely, while you're up there for sure right 1:11:52.975 --> 1:11:55.135 talking about washing houses, which I think is a great idea. 1:11:55.175 --> 1:11:57.655 We've got a new house with some bricks, some exotic 1:11:57.975 --> 1:12:01.175 exotech for sad panels, hardy sheets, and cedar so real 1:12:01.215 --> 1:12:06.215 mixture as the exterior cladding. What do we use for 1:12:06.295 --> 1:12:08.215 we want to wash the house down annually? And I 1:12:08.255 --> 1:12:11.415 think mark for the first thing fantastic that you want 1:12:11.415 --> 1:12:13.535 to wash it down annually, because that's what we all 1:12:13.535 --> 1:12:16.175 should be doing. So this is a real mixture, isn't it? 1:12:16.215 --> 1:12:21.575 Brick Exotech, hard ease and some cedar exterior house wash. 1:12:21.815 --> 1:12:23.335 What have you guys got. 1:12:23.415 --> 1:12:26.775 House washing paint prep? Okay, yes, or even there were 1:12:26.815 --> 1:12:30.695 even just we've got a product called deep clean. You 1:12:30.735 --> 1:12:34.415 can just give that a good hose down, Yes, apply 1:12:34.535 --> 1:12:39.775 that with an applicator and let that sit for a 1:12:39.855 --> 1:12:41.575 while and then just give it a wash down with 1:12:41.615 --> 1:12:45.655 clean water. But house washing paint prep, you know you 1:12:45.695 --> 1:12:48.015 can use that with a soft bristle broom. Yes, give 1:12:48.055 --> 1:12:50.695 it a good scrub down. It'll do all those surfaces 1:12:50.735 --> 1:12:54.575 for you. Yeah, fantastic, it'll just take all the chalking 1:12:54.655 --> 1:12:56.375 and anything else that might be there away. 1:12:56.975 --> 1:13:01.055 Yep, thankually, here's a good one too. Please ask Bryce. 1:13:01.135 --> 1:13:04.415 Does paint go off? We've got a leftover paint sitting 1:13:04.455 --> 1:13:06.495 in our shed for eight years after we moved into 1:13:06.535 --> 1:13:10.255 the house. That's from Ann. Does paint go off? 1:13:11.055 --> 1:13:14.055 It does? Yeah, I mean, you know, after a while, 1:13:14.135 --> 1:13:18.375 if it hasn't been stored correctly, or if you air 1:13:18.455 --> 1:13:20.815 has actually got into the bucket or something like that, 1:13:20.815 --> 1:13:23.735 it'll you'll probably find it's got a big skin on 1:13:23.775 --> 1:13:27.495 the top of it, any big chunks around and stuff 1:13:27.535 --> 1:13:31.335 like that. If you're worried about it, just bring the 1:13:31.375 --> 1:13:34.615 bucket back into one of our color shops and we'll 1:13:34.655 --> 1:13:37.495 recycle it for you. Yes, by yourself a new bucket. 1:13:37.615 --> 1:13:43.295 Yeah, Okay, eight years is a long time. I'm not 1:13:43.335 --> 1:13:45.095 sure if I should say this on air, but I 1:13:45.135 --> 1:13:51.575 will anyway. So we painted our place as I'm only 1:13:51.575 --> 1:13:55.415 prompted to know this because it's on I wrote the 1:13:55.535 --> 1:14:00.895 date on the tin with sonics in twenty seventeen. Right, 1:14:00.935 --> 1:14:04.535 So stripped the whole house back prime top coated the 1:14:04.535 --> 1:14:07.415 whole whole shebang and of course at the end of 1:14:07.415 --> 1:14:09.015 the job there's always a little bit of paint left 1:14:09.015 --> 1:14:12.095 over it which has sat underneath my work bench. And 1:14:12.175 --> 1:14:14.255 I got that ten lid pail of sonics out the 1:14:14.335 --> 1:14:17.735 other day with twenty seventeen written in my own handwriting 1:14:17.775 --> 1:14:20.455 on the side. Gave it a good stir and a shake, 1:14:20.535 --> 1:14:22.135 and I just I was just doing a little bit 1:14:22.135 --> 1:14:23.975 of patch up and it was still okay. I think 1:14:24.015 --> 1:14:26.615 I'm lucky, and I certainly won't be using it on 1:14:26.695 --> 1:14:29.295 the main house and all the rest of it. But yeah, 1:14:29.335 --> 1:14:31.855 if you look after it, it's surprising how long it lasts. 1:14:31.895 --> 1:14:34.615 But maybe I'm pushing my luck, aren't in terms. 1:14:34.415 --> 1:14:39.015 Of yeah, well, it just it basically depends on the storage. 1:14:39.415 --> 1:14:41.335 A lot of things come into it, like heat and 1:14:41.375 --> 1:14:45.535 all that. It's in the shed for instance, And yeah, 1:14:45.655 --> 1:14:50.055 it could it could cook it. I mean, yeah, you know, 1:14:50.255 --> 1:14:53.495 just check it before you use it, and if you've 1:14:53.615 --> 1:14:55.335 got the slightest worry about it. 1:14:56.375 --> 1:14:58.935 And sometimes it'll smell too, isn't it. If you pull 1:14:58.975 --> 1:15:00.935 the lid off and it smells like rotten eggs, then 1:15:00.975 --> 1:15:02.175 the paint's gone off. 1:15:02.975 --> 1:15:11.015 Oh yeah, that can happen, right, And just to smelt 1:15:11.055 --> 1:15:12.775 jim stopping compounded. 1:15:14.175 --> 1:15:21.975 That things too high? Heaven doesn't it? Four? Oh sorry, 1:15:21.975 --> 1:15:25.855 Oh that's classic, right, super quick couple of texts. Patches 1:15:25.895 --> 1:15:28.335 of rust appearing on the ridge flashing on a painted 1:15:28.415 --> 1:15:32.175 galvanized iron roof in a coastal area, How to trink 1:15:32.175 --> 1:15:34.695 the rust and what type of preparation before repainting. 1:15:35.895 --> 1:15:38.935 Okay, we'll get yourself something similar to a pot scrubber, 1:15:38.935 --> 1:15:42.455 one of those green sort of synthetic pads that you 1:15:42.575 --> 1:15:48.135 use for scrubbing your pots and pans. There is there 1:15:48.255 --> 1:15:50.175 there are a lot gentler on the roof surface and 1:15:50.215 --> 1:15:54.575 a wire brush. Ye use that roof and metal wash 1:15:54.775 --> 1:15:58.935 combined and just remove any loose surface rust or anything 1:15:59.015 --> 1:16:03.655 like that. Back to sound areas and spot prime those 1:16:04.055 --> 1:16:10.255 especially in a marine area or coastal area. Use spy'd 1:16:10.375 --> 1:16:13.255 spot prime those who'd productive our school's arm a zinc 1:16:13.335 --> 1:16:17.855 one tent, which is a zinc rich primer, and then 1:16:18.975 --> 1:16:21.975 depending on the condition of the roof, I would probably 1:16:22.055 --> 1:16:23.575 consider giving it a full cat to go. 1:16:23.695 --> 1:16:27.615 And I was, yeah, okay, perfect, that's great. 1:16:27.815 --> 1:16:30.815 You know, every day before you start, if you're in 1:16:30.815 --> 1:16:32.975 a coastal area, you've got to wash the surface down 1:16:33.095 --> 1:16:34.495 because it will be covered in salt. 1:16:35.215 --> 1:16:38.735 Yes, yeah, and again wash it and get onto the painting. 1:16:38.775 --> 1:16:40.495 It's not like you wash it one weekend and come 1:16:40.535 --> 1:16:42.375 back two three weeks later to do the. 1:16:42.335 --> 1:16:46.415 Paint application basic basically every morning. Yeah, yeah, before the 1:16:46.455 --> 1:16:48.855 sun comes up. Get a quick hose down, get the 1:16:48.855 --> 1:16:49.615 salt off. 1:16:54.895 --> 1:16:59.495 We've done the cleaning. Last one. To finish up with 1:16:59.935 --> 1:17:03.975 some wooden garden trellis. I'd like to paint it white, Kraky, 1:17:04.095 --> 1:17:06.575 what product do you recommend I use? So you know, 1:17:06.655 --> 1:17:10.495 ten leosed timber. Obviously garden trellis going to be outside. 1:17:11.455 --> 1:17:14.815 Just stand the quick drying, a top coat. 1:17:15.375 --> 1:17:19.215 It's nothing special, yeah, you know, no offense, but it's 1:17:19.295 --> 1:17:22.175 just chealous. You know. You know you don't want to 1:17:22.215 --> 1:17:25.655 spend too much time on it, but if you want 1:17:25.695 --> 1:17:28.215 to go the whole hog, then I would. I would 1:17:28.335 --> 1:17:30.935 use an oil based wood prime and a couple of 1:17:30.935 --> 1:17:36.175 coats a lumbersider. Failing that, you know, if it's in 1:17:36.255 --> 1:17:39.015 good condition, you know, no sign of rotting or anything 1:17:39.095 --> 1:17:41.415 like that, then two coats of lumbersider and you might 1:17:41.455 --> 1:17:42.575 want to spray it as well. 1:17:42.775 --> 1:17:46.895 Yeah, all those nooks and crannies, criky, drive your ma 1:17:47.095 --> 1:17:51.135 wouldn't thank you building. 1:17:51.135 --> 1:17:51.935 That's for sure. 1:17:53.415 --> 1:17:56.255 A lesson in patience and determination. That's what that is. 1:17:58.015 --> 1:17:59.975 All of this, mate, lovely to talk to you today. 1:18:00.175 --> 1:18:02.335 Thanks very much for your advice today and to get 1:18:02.335 --> 1:18:04.695 all the good advice and the right tips and trips 1:18:04.775 --> 1:18:07.375 and the right product. Make sure you talk to the 1:18:07.375 --> 1:18:10.215 experts at Razine Color Shop. It was a great session 1:18:10.255 --> 1:18:12.775 with Bryce this morning. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. 1:18:12.815 --> 1:18:15.095 We can take a couple more calls before the news 1:18:15.175 --> 1:18:17.535 at eight o'clock. After the news at eight o'clock will 1:18:17.535 --> 1:18:20.175 be chatting with Charlotte mceowan from one Tree Hill College. 1:18:20.375 --> 1:18:24.415 This is the school in Auckland that have done the refurbishment. 1:18:24.495 --> 1:18:26.535 I love that sign. Can you hear that in the background. 1:18:27.095 --> 1:18:33.335 So here in the zb MZDME office the Herald not 1:18:33.415 --> 1:18:35.855 too far from us, in the studio and they're doing 1:18:35.895 --> 1:18:38.175 some stuff. They're going to do online content which is 1:18:38.255 --> 1:18:41.975 kind of exciting, and so they're rebuilding part of the 1:18:41.975 --> 1:18:45.775 studio and the builder who's up there is obviously using 1:18:45.775 --> 1:18:49.295 a rotary hammer drill to do some fixings into concrete. 1:18:49.335 --> 1:18:52.215 And I can hear the sound in my headphones very nostalgic. 1:18:52.295 --> 1:18:54.375 Makes me feel like I'm actually on a building site, 1:18:54.375 --> 1:18:56.455 which I kind of am. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten 1:18:56.535 --> 1:18:58.895 eighty gives a call. We'll talk up till eight o'clock. 1:18:58.935 --> 1:19:01.735 Then we're going to talk building and schools and trade 1:19:01.735 --> 1:19:04.895 training with Charlotte mceowan from one Tree Hill College after eight. 1:19:04.975 --> 1:19:07.855 And then of course, as always, we're into the garden 1:19:07.855 --> 1:19:10.215 with a hood coming pass from eight point thirty this morning. 1:19:10.335 --> 1:19:14.175 Back in the month twice god once but maybe called 1:19:14.215 --> 1:19:17.775 Pete first fee Worcab the resident builder news talks, they'd 1:19:17.815 --> 1:19:21.615 be news talks. They'd be we're talking all things building 1:19:21.655 --> 1:19:24.335 actually quick texts that's just come through Pete. I've been 1:19:24.375 --> 1:19:26.495 told off and being told it's illegal to work on 1:19:26.535 --> 1:19:28.455 Sundays as a tyler. How does your guy get away 1:19:28.495 --> 1:19:30.335 from it in the studio. Well, he's not in the studio, 1:19:30.335 --> 1:19:34.535 he's about twenty meters down the corridor, and yes they 1:19:34.535 --> 1:19:36.175 are working. Well, of course you work on a Sunday. 1:19:36.215 --> 1:19:39.175 It's the least disruptive time and commercial is different to residential. 1:19:39.615 --> 1:19:42.375 So look, you as a tyler out there grinding and 1:19:42.375 --> 1:19:44.175 all the rest of it on a Sunday morning, of 1:19:44.175 --> 1:19:45.615 course you're going to get told off. And told to 1:19:45.615 --> 1:19:49.375 go home. But this is slightly different than being in 1:19:49.415 --> 1:19:51.135 the building and the only people are impact there are 1:19:51.215 --> 1:19:53.895 people that already know about it and essentially have given 1:19:53.895 --> 1:19:56.055 their permission too. So that's the other thing. And I 1:19:56.095 --> 1:20:01.615 love this other text that came through. I've always felt, 1:20:02.495 --> 1:20:05.575 says the Texter that a good trades person, a good tradesman, 1:20:05.855 --> 1:20:09.255 will have well maintain tools. So therefore a bad tradesman 1:20:09.375 --> 1:20:14.255 will blame their tools. Very wise, very wise, young Jedi's 1:20:14.375 --> 1:20:15.935 that's quite insightful. 1:20:16.215 --> 1:20:20.895 Ian, Good morning morning, is you better, Peter? My uncle 1:20:20.895 --> 1:20:24.495 and aunt were Tom and Joe and Pedlow who lived 1:20:24.495 --> 1:20:28.135 in Hawk's Bay at Napier there on the hill Brewsters Street. 1:20:28.935 --> 1:20:33.535 He was an old age shore builder between nineteen twenty 1:20:33.615 --> 1:20:37.455 and nineteen twenty and his motto was when I built 1:20:37.495 --> 1:20:40.855 a house, that stayed built. 1:20:40.895 --> 1:20:42.295 It's all his houses. 1:20:42.415 --> 1:20:45.775 Everyone that I spoke to that I knew that Tom 1:20:45.815 --> 1:20:49.615 built a home for claimed that their house survived the earthquake, 1:20:50.775 --> 1:20:53.335 which is impressive, including his own one on the hill 1:20:53.335 --> 1:20:54.135 on Bruces Street. 1:20:55.055 --> 1:20:56.215 Yeah, so he. 1:20:58.055 --> 1:21:00.975 Had no leaky rooms in any trouble with his houses. 1:21:01.615 --> 1:21:06.535 He took his time. He owned TG TG Pedlow and 1:21:07.495 --> 1:21:10.855 for a mon roster, not munrows trip anyway to here. 1:21:11.815 --> 1:21:14.015 And he was he was in business basically for close 1:21:14.055 --> 1:21:16.735 to three decades, thirty years, right. So he died of 1:21:16.855 --> 1:21:19.695 nineteen fifty three, far through young, merely ten. When he 1:21:19.735 --> 1:21:22.415 did there's a shawman never really got an arm. He 1:21:22.575 --> 1:21:25.815 was agree with an A grade A grade level builder. 1:21:27.655 --> 1:21:30.375 Look, I think the one thing that that probably has 1:21:30.415 --> 1:21:32.775 stood out to me most in all of the years 1:21:32.775 --> 1:21:35.935 that I've been doing it is quality work always lasts right. 1:21:36.055 --> 1:21:40.615 And I think sometimes whether it's a modern thing or 1:21:40.615 --> 1:21:43.455 it's always been around, there's often a real focus on 1:21:43.735 --> 1:21:46.815 I'm just getting the job done right. So we're working 1:21:46.855 --> 1:21:48.855 on something, we've got this horizon which is kind of 1:21:48.895 --> 1:21:51.175 the end of the day or the end of the project. 1:21:51.375 --> 1:21:54.975 And given that most of what we do as builders 1:21:55.015 --> 1:21:57.815 and as lbps in terms of structure, needs to survive 1:21:57.855 --> 1:22:00.135 for fifty years, but really we should have a much 1:22:00.215 --> 1:22:02.895 longer view than that. You know, we should be thinking 1:22:03.015 --> 1:22:05.095 when we're working on something, is this going to be 1:22:05.135 --> 1:22:08.935 good for seventy five years, one hundred years? I mean 1:22:08.935 --> 1:22:11.775 my house is what about one hundred and twenty years old? Right, 1:22:12.055 --> 1:22:14.495 I'd like to think that the carpenters that worked on 1:22:14.535 --> 1:22:17.335 that back in nineteen oh five thereabouts, I don't know 1:22:17.375 --> 1:22:21.855 the exact date, were whether they had an appreciation or 1:22:21.855 --> 1:22:25.175 could see or sense that their work was going to 1:22:25.175 --> 1:22:28.175 be around one hundred and twenty years later. And if 1:22:28.215 --> 1:22:30.255 you're building a new house today, are you thinking about 1:22:30.295 --> 1:22:33.455 it being there one hundred and twenty years I think 1:22:33.455 --> 1:22:35.655 if you did, you'd probably have quite a different view. 1:22:35.695 --> 1:22:38.615 Back after the news doing of the house, storting the 1:22:38.655 --> 1:22:41.895 Garden asked Pete for a hand the resident builder with 1:22:41.935 --> 1:22:45.895 Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, 'vy. 1:22:47.495 --> 1:22:49.375 Your news talks. They'd be welcome back to the show. 1:22:49.455 --> 1:22:52.335 It has just gone six and a half minutes after 1:22:52.455 --> 1:22:55.695 eight on a Sunday morning, crikey, second day of March already, 1:22:55.735 --> 1:22:58.335 So the year has taken along. It's been a great 1:22:58.335 --> 1:23:02.295 show thus far in terms of conversation, great time with Bryce, 1:23:02.335 --> 1:23:06.495 some really good questions there. One of the highlights of 1:23:06.535 --> 1:23:09.695 my week, to be really really honest, was being invited 1:23:09.735 --> 1:23:12.735 to go out to one Tree Hill College, which is 1:23:12.775 --> 1:23:16.615 in sort of central Auckland, and it's a project that 1:23:16.655 --> 1:23:19.295 I've sort of had some insight into for the last 1:23:19.295 --> 1:23:22.495 little while, there were some old houses which are part 1:23:22.535 --> 1:23:26.495 of the development of the busway along the Eastern Corridor 1:23:26.855 --> 1:23:29.935 in Auckland, and instead of the houses being just demolished 1:23:29.935 --> 1:23:33.255 and sent to landfill, some of them were repurposed. One 1:23:33.335 --> 1:23:36.575 of those houses was trucked across to one Tree Hill 1:23:36.615 --> 1:23:40.775 College where the students and staff and professional builders and 1:23:40.815 --> 1:23:44.135 a whole bunch of very generous companies have been engaged 1:23:44.175 --> 1:23:47.495 in refurbishing that building. And so on Monday there was 1:23:47.535 --> 1:23:51.095 kind of the official opening of the building and that 1:23:51.135 --> 1:23:53.695 building is now available for sale. You can have a 1:23:53.695 --> 1:23:56.815 look online find the listing and it's also on the 1:23:56.815 --> 1:24:02.535 Bathet and Thompson website. Which a great project. In the end, 1:24:02.655 --> 1:24:07.015 I know that these projects always need someone drying them, 1:24:07.175 --> 1:24:11.015 and that person is my guest this morning, Charlotte mcchewn. 1:24:11.135 --> 1:24:14.375 Thank you very much. So your title is teacher in 1:24:14.535 --> 1:24:19.775 charge of Trade training. What does that mean? Well, thank you, welcome. 1:24:19.575 --> 1:24:21.015 Well, thank you great to be here. 1:24:21.055 --> 1:24:21.415 Thank you. 1:24:21.935 --> 1:24:22.135 So. 1:24:22.455 --> 1:24:25.415 Teacher in charge of training for trades means that I'm 1:24:25.455 --> 1:24:27.975 responsible for one hundred and ten students that we have 1:24:28.055 --> 1:24:31.415 in our Level one, two and three bc ITO program 1:24:31.495 --> 1:24:34.975 at Onetre Hill College and I'm responsible for how they 1:24:34.975 --> 1:24:37.055 get into trade and how they get an apprenticeship. 1:24:37.575 --> 1:24:39.735 So just go into the details of that. This is 1:24:39.775 --> 1:24:45.135 an opportunity for students at the college to start their 1:24:45.575 --> 1:24:49.895 pre trade qualification while still at school and still doing 1:24:49.935 --> 1:24:51.655 other NCAA subjects as well. 1:24:51.815 --> 1:24:52.455 That's correct. 1:24:52.455 --> 1:24:54.855 So at level one and two the students are opting 1:24:54.935 --> 1:24:59.575 to do BCO unit standards as well as the NCAA standards. 1:24:59.855 --> 1:25:03.255 But at level three they actually move into the Trade Academy, 1:25:03.295 --> 1:25:07.055 which means that they fully focus on the beecats BCO 1:25:07.255 --> 1:25:09.815 unit standards, so that they are actually getting a few 1:25:09.895 --> 1:25:13.615 unit standards under their belt before they start their apprenticeship program. 1:25:13.695 --> 1:25:15.975 So they're already doing it online, which is the way 1:25:16.015 --> 1:25:18.655 that BCITO does it. So you've got that platform set 1:25:18.735 --> 1:25:21.255 up and then they can seamlessly move into that as 1:25:21.295 --> 1:25:23.535 we transition them into an apprenticeship. 1:25:24.575 --> 1:25:26.695 Am I right in assuming that prior to having the 1:25:26.735 --> 1:25:29.815 house on site to be able to do some practical work, 1:25:30.455 --> 1:25:32.735 if they did do some practical stuff, it would be 1:25:32.895 --> 1:25:35.815 let's say, in the workshop, right, you know, and so 1:25:36.535 --> 1:25:39.295 we all remember making pencil cases and maybe making a 1:25:39.335 --> 1:25:45.175 sawhorse and that sort of spice. I absolutely, but suddenly 1:25:45.215 --> 1:25:48.255 the students have an opportunity to be effectively on a 1:25:48.255 --> 1:25:50.895 construction site. One of the young men that I spoke with, 1:25:51.055 --> 1:25:53.815 he talked about working on the demolition, so helping strip 1:25:53.815 --> 1:25:56.815 the house out. Then he was heavily involved in the insulation. 1:25:57.215 --> 1:26:00.615 Other students were talking about working alongside the tyler. How 1:26:00.655 --> 1:26:03.175 does it just step me through the process. How does 1:26:03.175 --> 1:26:05.615 it work for your students to be in that dynamic 1:26:05.695 --> 1:26:07.455 environment a real building site. 1:26:07.575 --> 1:26:10.215 Well, we're really fortunate that when we have twenty we 1:26:10.255 --> 1:26:12.415 have twenty students in our trade academy and when they 1:26:12.575 --> 1:26:15.295 come in we're just on a regular class timetable. We 1:26:15.335 --> 1:26:17.295 don't have them all day, so just run it as 1:26:17.295 --> 1:26:20.215 a regular class. They'll come into the workshop. I'll have 1:26:20.255 --> 1:26:22.695 written on the board what we're what we've got going 1:26:22.735 --> 1:26:24.055 on in the house of the builder. We've got a 1:26:24.055 --> 1:26:26.895 licensed builder on site. We'll say, hey, I've got roofing 1:26:26.975 --> 1:26:29.695 here today. I need four people out there with me. 1:26:29.975 --> 1:26:31.655 And I'll say, well, this is what we've got to 1:26:31.655 --> 1:26:34.215 get done on our unit standards work the moment. We're 1:26:34.215 --> 1:26:37.295 building sofas, for example, and I'll say, okay, who wants 1:26:37.295 --> 1:26:38.375 to go out to the house and a couple will 1:26:38.415 --> 1:26:40.855 throw their hands up. They'll move round to the side 1:26:40.855 --> 1:26:42.895 of the workshop, put on their boots and their hivers. 1:26:43.255 --> 1:26:44.815 They'll trot outside. 1:26:44.375 --> 1:26:46.455 To the house which is just just across the way 1:26:46.855 --> 1:26:48.575 and get underway so they can have that one on 1:26:48.575 --> 1:26:51.255 one with the builder and whoever else is on site, 1:26:51.615 --> 1:26:53.735 and then the rest will keep going with their unit 1:26:53.815 --> 1:26:55.895 standard work. But they need to be aware that they 1:26:55.935 --> 1:26:57.735 can't be on the house all the time because I've 1:26:57.775 --> 1:26:59.735 still got to get this other other work done. So 1:26:59.735 --> 1:27:02.815 this get to manage what they're doing. They can stay 1:27:02.855 --> 1:27:06.135 because they're in a trade academy with other trade academy 1:27:06.495 --> 1:27:09.175 teachers if they want to stay, Like Alisha with the 1:27:09.215 --> 1:27:11.695 tiles the other week, she stayed for most of the 1:27:11.775 --> 1:27:14.455 day to be with Tyler Ayas and the teachers are 1:27:14.495 --> 1:27:16.815 able to be flexible with that so that she can 1:27:16.855 --> 1:27:19.095 get that experience of that that's running well. And if 1:27:19.135 --> 1:27:21.655 Tyler's able to stay, great, they can stay with them. 1:27:21.695 --> 1:27:26.415 So there's an opportunity to get these bigger experiences. And 1:27:26.615 --> 1:27:29.535 it's an organic experience. It's not so set in stone, 1:27:29.535 --> 1:27:30.655 and how lucky are we for that? 1:27:31.735 --> 1:27:34.815 And I'm guessing too in terms of trade training, it's 1:27:34.855 --> 1:27:37.655 an insight into the wide variety because typically, if you're 1:27:37.655 --> 1:27:40.455 talking trade training with young people, you're thinking about the 1:27:40.735 --> 1:27:43.295 big trades. Right, I'm going to put carpentry at the top, 1:27:43.295 --> 1:27:47.535 but there's sparkys and plumbers and so on. But now 1:27:48.215 --> 1:27:50.615 do you get the sense that the young people themselves 1:27:50.815 --> 1:27:53.695 get an appreciation of the variety of work that goes 1:27:53.815 --> 1:27:56.175 into a building project and maybe things. 1:27:56.015 --> 1:27:59.135 That they didn't know existed or rules related to the 1:27:59.135 --> 1:28:02.055 building code. So one of the parts of the project 1:28:02.135 --> 1:28:04.175 that we had to work on quite extensively was the 1:28:04.215 --> 1:28:09.495 water proofing. Yes, an island sink in our house, and 1:28:09.535 --> 1:28:11.295 of course we need to work with that one point 1:28:11.335 --> 1:28:15.655 five meter special Yeah, so with this lovely floor by Lovitch, 1:28:15.775 --> 1:28:18.575 we don't want to put anything around here that creates 1:28:19.015 --> 1:28:23.655 the splash zone. So we use the Marpe waterproofing system 1:28:23.695 --> 1:28:26.935 and we water proved the entire living room, dining right 1:28:27.015 --> 1:28:28.535 up the hall so that we. 1:28:28.455 --> 1:28:31.055 Didn't have to do that. And that was obviously a 1:28:31.135 --> 1:28:33.695 huge learning curve for our building, for. 1:28:33.695 --> 1:28:37.255 Myself as an architectural student, but then for our students 1:28:37.255 --> 1:28:39.055 to understand, well, why are we doing this, Why is 1:28:39.055 --> 1:28:41.615 the floor blue, why is it looking like this? And 1:28:42.095 --> 1:28:44.295 the reasons behind that, so then we can reflect back 1:28:44.295 --> 1:28:47.015 to the building code and bring it back to why 1:28:47.055 --> 1:28:48.615 we're all here and what we're trying to do. 1:28:48.855 --> 1:28:51.455 Yeah. One of the things that struck me too was 1:28:51.495 --> 1:28:53.415 that some of the people who had been part of 1:28:53.415 --> 1:28:57.535 the trades academy at the school are now employed and 1:28:57.575 --> 1:28:59.775 employed by companies that have come back to support. So 1:28:59.815 --> 1:29:02.455 I happened to talk to Simon from Woods Glass right, 1:29:03.375 --> 1:29:05.695 and the story seems to be that some young students 1:29:05.695 --> 1:29:08.295 who was students who are part of the program last 1:29:08.375 --> 1:29:12.415 year are now currently employed as apprentices at that firm. 1:29:12.775 --> 1:29:16.215 Are you making those connections? Is that really useful as well? 1:29:16.295 --> 1:29:16.495 Well? 1:29:16.535 --> 1:29:20.095 Actually, as much as we certainly need the donations of product, 1:29:20.175 --> 1:29:21.815 that's our bigger goal is that. 1:29:22.255 --> 1:29:23.335 When the companies come in. 1:29:23.375 --> 1:29:25.895 And actually an example on Friday, I get an email 1:29:25.935 --> 1:29:28.535 from Green Gorilla, who is one of our supporters, who said, look, 1:29:28.535 --> 1:29:32.455 we're thinking about sustainability. How can we show the students 1:29:32.455 --> 1:29:34.775 that let's bring them to the plant, what walk them 1:29:34.775 --> 1:29:37.015 through it? And then what other opportunities are they for 1:29:37.095 --> 1:29:40.655 them here in Green Gorilla, What who might be interested 1:29:40.695 --> 1:29:42.975 in that? So as much as yes, we are so 1:29:43.255 --> 1:29:46.455 super grateful for their donation of product and knowledge. We 1:29:46.575 --> 1:29:50.535 are more interested in them saying, hey, we've got a 1:29:50.615 --> 1:29:53.215 program where we're training for shrim pikel came to us 1:29:53.255 --> 1:29:56.815 with that, how fantastic. And then we have these incredible 1:29:56.815 --> 1:29:59.735 connections in the community where we can say, hey, Johnny 1:29:59.815 --> 1:30:02.615 or Jenny are interested in that. Can we bring them 1:30:02.615 --> 1:30:04.775 out and we'll bring them out to the company, let 1:30:04.775 --> 1:30:07.495 them have a walk around, talk to them and make 1:30:07.535 --> 1:30:09.375 sure that it's a good fit for us. It's about 1:30:09.375 --> 1:30:12.255 a good fit because that's how we build the success. 1:30:12.815 --> 1:30:15.095 And in addition to making that good fit, the other 1:30:15.135 --> 1:30:17.615 thing that we are very focused on is adulting. 1:30:18.255 --> 1:30:21.135 So okay, yeah, our students. 1:30:21.015 --> 1:30:25.815 In the community generally are not maybe as well adulted 1:30:26.015 --> 1:30:27.855 as they could be, meaning that they don't know how 1:30:27.895 --> 1:30:32.375 to look at an adult who is maybe in a 1:30:32.615 --> 1:30:36.975 powerful position an employment. They don't know how to ask questions. 1:30:37.055 --> 1:30:40.495 They don't feel confident to say I'm actually not sure 1:30:40.495 --> 1:30:42.495 where that location is or if I can get there. 1:30:42.935 --> 1:30:44.335 I don't know if I can get there on time 1:30:44.375 --> 1:30:47.375 because I drop my sister to primary school before I come. 1:30:47.895 --> 1:30:50.455 They don't say that, or they didn't in the past 1:30:50.495 --> 1:30:52.135 say that, and then they would not turn up or 1:30:52.135 --> 1:30:55.415 they would be late. So we have an adulting program 1:30:55.455 --> 1:30:58.815 without RAP. It's called RAP. It's run by our rotary 1:30:58.815 --> 1:31:01.855 Penrose Rotary Program, and they meet with our students once 1:31:01.855 --> 1:31:04.415 a week, just during normal class time. It's nothing special, 1:31:04.775 --> 1:31:08.735 and a mentor's placed with two or three students and 1:31:08.775 --> 1:31:11.255 they are there to walk beside that student, so to 1:31:11.375 --> 1:31:13.975 understand how you're going out there? That's great, but how 1:31:14.015 --> 1:31:15.735 are you going to get there? Can you get there 1:31:15.735 --> 1:31:17.215 on time? What do you think you should be wearing? 1:31:17.775 --> 1:31:17.855 Have? 1:31:18.375 --> 1:31:20.615 Can you pack your lunch? Where our school that has 1:31:20.615 --> 1:31:23.855 a food program? Can you get a lunch together? Are 1:31:23.855 --> 1:31:25.055 you going to be able to get home in time 1:31:25.095 --> 1:31:26.535 for your sports practice? 1:31:26.575 --> 1:31:26.775 Okay? 1:31:26.815 --> 1:31:28.295 How can we work this out? 1:31:28.615 --> 1:31:31.255 And they do those very fine details that we as 1:31:31.535 --> 1:31:32.815 classroom teachers will. 1:31:32.695 --> 1:31:33.575 Never be able to do. 1:31:33.895 --> 1:31:38.135 Sure, So this mentoring program, I believe has been the difference. 1:31:38.135 --> 1:31:40.615 And it was with Woods Glass that we started this 1:31:41.255 --> 1:31:44.055 because they were our first big company and they took 1:31:44.095 --> 1:31:48.135 students and it was honestly, we were awful. We didn't 1:31:48.175 --> 1:31:51.735 turn up on time, you were late, we didn't talk. 1:31:51.815 --> 1:31:55.695 And this is when we recognized. I recognized with and 1:31:55.895 --> 1:31:58.615 Dumphy from the WRAP program. 1:31:58.615 --> 1:32:02.975 From Rotary that this is what we needed, was mentoring. 1:32:03.055 --> 1:32:05.135 And in our community we have a lot of people 1:32:05.295 --> 1:32:08.135 who can give up in our week through Rotary, that 1:32:08.255 --> 1:32:11.535 is a great bridge. And this has allowed our students 1:32:11.615 --> 1:32:15.015 to be able to talk confidently and feel good about 1:32:15.015 --> 1:32:17.255 being able to say what they need to say and 1:32:17.335 --> 1:32:19.335 support it so they may even practice doing a phone 1:32:19.375 --> 1:32:22.095 call to the company to introduce themselves. Those things are 1:32:22.175 --> 1:32:24.895 very difficult for our young people, and we feel that 1:32:24.975 --> 1:32:26.095 mentoring has overcome that. 1:32:26.535 --> 1:32:29.895 I think that's phenomenal in terms of its impact. So, 1:32:30.455 --> 1:32:33.255 you know, we as we get older, we criticize the 1:32:33.295 --> 1:32:35.215 younger generation and that sort of thing, but in the end, 1:32:35.535 --> 1:32:37.615 we've all got to learn these skills. Right, they don't 1:32:37.655 --> 1:32:40.895 just happen. And it's almost like you guys have figured 1:32:40.895 --> 1:32:43.295 that out and go, okay, so how do we teach 1:32:43.415 --> 1:32:46.615 these these skills in terms of fronting up, being on time, 1:32:46.695 --> 1:32:48.455 all of that sort of thing. It doesn't just happen. 1:32:48.455 --> 1:32:49.895 It's certain doesn't happen in a vacuum. 1:32:49.895 --> 1:32:50.615 It doesn't happen. 1:32:50.655 --> 1:32:53.295 But I think that what we were very fortunate is 1:32:53.335 --> 1:32:55.255 that instead of what saying to us, oh my goodness, 1:32:55.255 --> 1:32:57.695 what's wrong with you? They came back and said, hey, look, 1:32:57.695 --> 1:32:59.815 this one isn't doing this one, this one isn't doing that, 1:33:00.215 --> 1:33:03.015 and then we were able to partner and work through 1:33:03.055 --> 1:33:06.055 it together. Yep, and here they are still taking our 1:33:06.095 --> 1:33:07.615 peace people every year. 1:33:07.815 --> 1:33:10.415 Wow. So with me in the studio is Charlotte Mchow 1:33:10.455 --> 1:33:13.255 and his teacher in charge of trade. I just think 1:33:13.295 --> 1:33:16.215 that that title on your business card is just fantastic 1:33:16.215 --> 1:33:20.615 when it comes to secondary schools, right, because my own 1:33:20.655 --> 1:33:22.815 personal feeling is that I don't know that we've done 1:33:22.815 --> 1:33:25.015 a great job with trade training over the last thirty 1:33:25.095 --> 1:33:28.375 or forty years. And I guess I'm putting that timeline 1:33:28.415 --> 1:33:31.255 in because there was a vision back thirty or forty 1:33:31.295 --> 1:33:33.935 years ago where suddenly all of our jobs are going 1:33:33.975 --> 1:33:36.095 to be white collar. Right, we're moving into a digital 1:33:36.215 --> 1:33:40.895 environment blah blah blah blah blah. You know even AI, Right, 1:33:40.935 --> 1:33:42.735 they ain't going to come out and unblock your toilet. 1:33:43.215 --> 1:33:47.375 So I kind of feel that we've missed an opportunity 1:33:47.415 --> 1:33:50.615 with our generation of young people in terms of introducing 1:33:50.655 --> 1:33:54.255 them to life in the trades, which isn't always pleasant, 1:33:54.335 --> 1:33:58.615 isn't always easy, but I think ultimately can be really rewarding. 1:33:58.815 --> 1:34:02.335 Is that kind of what drives you that you've seen 1:34:02.335 --> 1:34:03.015 that insights. 1:34:03.375 --> 1:34:07.255 I think, gosh, what in a fantastic opportunity because trade 1:34:07.335 --> 1:34:08.055 can be just the. 1:34:07.935 --> 1:34:10.255 Beginning for us, at least an apprenticeship. 1:34:10.255 --> 1:34:12.695 It's the beginning, right, So we want them to get 1:34:12.735 --> 1:34:15.135 a qualification, so they've always got that to fall back 1:34:15.135 --> 1:34:17.175 on it like our parents don't. Ye got to have 1:34:17.175 --> 1:34:19.735 something to fall back on. And then from there, of 1:34:19.775 --> 1:34:23.495 course they can get greater qualifications. They can obviously run 1:34:23.535 --> 1:34:26.135 their own business, but if we can get them qualified 1:34:26.135 --> 1:34:30.575 with a skill that they can diversify from and make 1:34:30.615 --> 1:34:33.935 good friends and learn to work together. These are skills 1:34:33.935 --> 1:34:36.935 that are transferable. So what a great start. And then 1:34:36.975 --> 1:34:38.895 if you want to go into project management or something else, 1:34:38.935 --> 1:34:39.575 you go for yourself. 1:34:39.615 --> 1:34:41.415 But sure, at least let's get your started. 1:34:41.495 --> 1:34:42.535 It's a step on the ladder. 1:34:42.575 --> 1:34:43.095 Absolutely. 1:34:43.135 --> 1:34:43.735 Yeah. 1:34:43.855 --> 1:34:46.735 The other thing that really impressed me about the building 1:34:46.855 --> 1:34:50.615 is you committed yourself to effectively sort of higher performance. Right, 1:34:50.655 --> 1:34:53.295 So this isn't let's just cobble it together and see 1:34:53.295 --> 1:34:56.335 what we end up with. You've gone through the home 1:34:56.775 --> 1:35:00.375 rating program. I saw Andrew Eagles there, Matthew Cutler Wealth, 1:35:00.655 --> 1:35:02.255 both of whom have been on the show a couple 1:35:02.295 --> 1:35:05.415 of times. I'm a huge I'm a homestar assessor from 1:35:05.495 --> 1:35:07.935 way back and all the so I think that it's 1:35:07.975 --> 1:35:11.575 a it's a fantastic project. What did you like? What 1:35:11.655 --> 1:35:14.015 did you need to do in order to achieve Home 1:35:14.055 --> 1:35:16.015 Star seven? Which is remarkable? 1:35:16.095 --> 1:35:17.735 Well, to be fair, we did think we were just 1:35:17.775 --> 1:35:20.455 doing a little old renovation. We never had this intention 1:35:21.095 --> 1:35:24.695 or absolutely not no way. So we were just going 1:35:24.695 --> 1:35:26.335 to do a little you know, do up. And that 1:35:26.495 --> 1:35:28.535 was great, and that was why I went to Woods 1:35:28.615 --> 1:35:31.095 Glass to ask them for their Yes, they left over windows, 1:35:31.135 --> 1:35:34.375 and they politely said we don't make those, but did 1:35:34.415 --> 1:35:36.295 come back and say, your apprentices can make. 1:35:36.215 --> 1:35:37.175 You whatever you want. 1:35:37.255 --> 1:35:37.455 Yeah. 1:35:37.495 --> 1:35:37.775 Sure. 1:35:37.975 --> 1:35:40.015 When they came back and said that, that's when we 1:35:40.055 --> 1:35:43.815 realized that actually, this isn't made up of your leftovers. Yep, 1:35:43.855 --> 1:35:46.535 this could be something. And it happened to tie in. 1:35:46.735 --> 1:35:50.375 Was at Auckland University. The lecturer lecture that I was 1:35:50.375 --> 1:35:53.975 at was talking about Home Star and I cantest said 1:35:54.055 --> 1:35:55.615 to the builder, Hey, what about this and he said, 1:35:55.615 --> 1:35:56.495 I don't know anything about it. 1:35:56.575 --> 1:35:57.295 Let's find out. 1:35:57.775 --> 1:36:01.255 Spoke to Matthew Cultwal she said, yea, if you can 1:36:01.335 --> 1:36:03.695 get over h one, which that's going to be a 1:36:03.695 --> 1:36:07.135 lot for a nineteen sixty eight, nineteen seventy in this condition, 1:36:07.295 --> 1:36:09.895 which has got to blow a door test of nineteen 1:36:10.015 --> 1:36:14.815 ear changes an hour. If you can get over age one, you'll. 1:36:14.575 --> 1:36:15.255 Have a show. 1:36:15.895 --> 1:36:19.695 And so, of course, being blissfully ignorant, I said, great, 1:36:19.855 --> 1:36:23.055 let's do it, and knowing that Kanga Aora at the 1:36:23.095 --> 1:36:26.095 time did have in their new stock Homestyle level six 1:36:26.255 --> 1:36:29.415 and they also had ten, I just randomly. 1:36:29.015 --> 1:36:31.175 Said let's do seven a test. 1:36:31.455 --> 1:36:34.775 But really, how that happens is that everyone pulls together. 1:36:34.855 --> 1:36:37.175 So Matthew says, hey, well you really need to talk 1:36:37.215 --> 1:36:40.095 to this person. You need to talk to Homestar designer, 1:36:40.695 --> 1:36:42.815 you need to me need to go and do this course, 1:36:42.855 --> 1:36:47.175 so and get that done. So it's about the community 1:36:47.215 --> 1:36:51.455 coming together and collectively solving the problem. I certainly didn't 1:36:51.495 --> 1:36:53.735 solve the problem. It was a large group of all 1:36:53.775 --> 1:36:57.135 of our sponsors of professionals, people who know what they're doing, 1:36:57.175 --> 1:37:01.015 all sharing together and collectively coming up with the solutions 1:37:01.055 --> 1:37:03.295 because you were hack ups along the way like the 1:37:03.335 --> 1:37:04.735 water proof and how do we do this? 1:37:05.295 --> 1:37:07.535 But that's building, yes, you know, but. 1:37:07.535 --> 1:37:11.175 It's so wonderful that everybody wants to come together and 1:37:11.215 --> 1:37:13.935 I think it brings out the best of everyone when 1:37:14.015 --> 1:37:17.655 it is a community project for student success, and that 1:37:17.815 --> 1:37:19.815 is what made it so special. So there isn't one 1:37:19.815 --> 1:37:21.855 person driving it. We are all in this together. 1:37:22.215 --> 1:37:25.295 Fantastic with me in the studio, Charlotte mckeowan from One 1:37:25.375 --> 1:37:27.135 Tree Hill College. We're going to take a short break. 1:37:27.135 --> 1:37:29.055 We'll talk a little bit more about the house and hey, 1:37:29.455 --> 1:37:31.255 you can buy it and it's a damn good house, 1:37:31.295 --> 1:37:33.735 so why wouldn't you twenty one minutes after eight back 1:37:33.775 --> 1:37:34.255 in the mow. 1:37:34.255 --> 1:37:37.135 Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering 1:37:37.175 --> 1:37:39.255 how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter 1:37:39.335 --> 1:37:43.895 wolf Gaper call on eighty the resident builder on news 1:37:43.975 --> 1:37:44.535 Dogs b. 1:37:45.415 --> 1:37:48.455 So Charlotte from One Tree Hill College teacher. I'd love 1:37:48.495 --> 1:37:51.495 that phrase, teacher in charge of trades, and part of 1:37:51.575 --> 1:37:53.575 me loves it so much because I don't see that 1:37:53.775 --> 1:37:57.935 on business cards for teachers much. Just very quick, what 1:37:58.015 --> 1:38:00.615 is it about One Tree Hill College that went we're 1:38:00.655 --> 1:38:01.175 going to do this? 1:38:01.695 --> 1:38:01.935 Is it? 1:38:02.175 --> 1:38:06.135 Your drive is at the school recognizing what they need 1:38:06.175 --> 1:38:08.335 for their students. Where does it come from? 1:38:08.935 --> 1:38:11.495 I think it came from originally are seeing that the 1:38:11.495 --> 1:38:14.575 students weren't transitioning as well as what they could from sure, 1:38:14.815 --> 1:38:16.615 from the program into apprenticeships. 1:38:16.615 --> 1:38:18.055 There's too big. 1:38:17.855 --> 1:38:21.535 A gap there, and from making furniture, which we were 1:38:21.575 --> 1:38:23.375 around the school, which is very helpful, and we need 1:38:23.375 --> 1:38:25.695 picnic tables and we need seating. This is all a 1:38:25.775 --> 1:38:28.135 valid thing to do, but it's not building on a 1:38:28.215 --> 1:38:30.775 job site, right, It's not. It's not, and you can't 1:38:30.815 --> 1:38:33.015 make it that because you're in a workshop. It's much 1:38:33.055 --> 1:38:34.095 more controlled in there. 1:38:34.535 --> 1:38:34.975 It's just not. 1:38:35.215 --> 1:38:37.215 And I guess the other thing is some schools allow 1:38:37.335 --> 1:38:39.815 for you know, in their let's say year thirteens who 1:38:39.895 --> 1:38:42.615 might have one day a week working on site, but 1:38:42.735 --> 1:38:45.655 then there's also that they can't keep up with their 1:38:45.695 --> 1:38:48.375 regular NCAA subjects and so on. So the beauty of 1:38:48.375 --> 1:38:51.375 bringing the work site to the school is what you 1:38:51.375 --> 1:38:53.735 were talking about earlier. You can be in the classroom 1:38:53.855 --> 1:38:56.455 doing you know, your Level three English or visual English 1:38:56.535 --> 1:38:58.615 or whatever you're doing, and then in the afternoon you'll 1:38:58.655 --> 1:38:59.575 be out on the building site. 1:38:59.615 --> 1:39:00.095 It's correct. 1:39:00.175 --> 1:39:02.295 So we've been able to mesh these two together, which 1:39:02.775 --> 1:39:05.575 means that as tradees are coming on site for whatever 1:39:05.695 --> 1:39:07.735 license works they may be doing. Yes, we can let 1:39:07.815 --> 1:39:10.335 the students know that, Hey, the electrician is going to 1:39:10.335 --> 1:39:11.375 be here today. If you want to go out, you 1:39:11.415 --> 1:39:14.335 can pull some wires with them, it'd be great. Or 1:39:14.495 --> 1:39:16.175 just go out and see when we were doing the 1:39:16.175 --> 1:39:19.055 diaphragm floor, for example, the students couldn't do that, but 1:39:19.135 --> 1:39:21.375 they could come out and watch that being done by 1:39:21.495 --> 1:39:24.815 licensed builders. Yes, which is a fabulous experience. Who knows 1:39:24.855 --> 1:39:27.055 what it looks like under there. It's great to see 1:39:27.055 --> 1:39:28.935 what I've beam in a joycener. 1:39:29.655 --> 1:39:32.695 What's going on? This is absolutely and the house when 1:39:32.735 --> 1:39:35.575 it arrived and I remember seeing the news story about it, 1:39:35.615 --> 1:39:39.015 you know, pretty shabby, run down, typical nineteen seventies house. 1:39:39.335 --> 1:39:42.695 So was this it's XKO stock from the Eastern Busway 1:39:42.695 --> 1:39:46.255 project or from another project came from from angli Okay, 1:39:46.855 --> 1:39:48.455 so I thought it might have been an Eastern Busway. 1:39:48.535 --> 1:39:51.495 Either way, it's fantastic that rather than just driving a 1:39:51.495 --> 1:39:55.335 bulldozer through them, we're refurbishing them and not just refurbishing. 1:39:55.615 --> 1:40:00.055 I think it's it's hard to not understate the fact 1:40:00.095 --> 1:40:03.975 that it's a home Star seven rating right independent rating. 1:40:04.295 --> 1:40:08.055 You've got to achieve right, doesn't meet the criteria, they're 1:40:08.095 --> 1:40:10.295 not going to give it a home Star seven rating. 1:40:11.055 --> 1:40:15.175 And given that, you know, when I firsted Homestar, probably 1:40:15.175 --> 1:40:17.175 seventy percent of New Zealand houses used to be a 1:40:17.255 --> 1:40:21.015 two or maybe, and then they ditched. Anything below five, 1:40:21.295 --> 1:40:26.415 and a modestly built house might achieve a seven is unusual. 1:40:26.455 --> 1:40:28.495 That puts you in the top couple of percent of 1:40:28.535 --> 1:40:31.495 houses in the country in terms of its energy efficiency, 1:40:31.615 --> 1:40:34.655 in terms of being warm, dry, comfortable. So, given that 1:40:34.655 --> 1:40:38.455 the house is up for sale, what's been the response 1:40:38.575 --> 1:40:41.415 from the community, and you've got real estate agents on board, 1:40:41.415 --> 1:40:44.255 it's on trade me you know, are you confident about 1:40:44.255 --> 1:40:44.655 the auction? 1:40:44.935 --> 1:40:45.095 Oh? 1:40:45.135 --> 1:40:46.775 Yes, in fact, we're even going to run a wager. 1:40:46.935 --> 1:40:49.215 That's right, Okay, of course we are. 1:40:49.695 --> 1:40:52.295 No, we do believe that there will be someone out 1:40:52.335 --> 1:40:54.495 there who will be looking to move this, whether it's 1:40:54.535 --> 1:40:56.775 for a batch or for a family home a little 1:40:56.775 --> 1:40:58.935 further out of Auckland, I would imagine wouldn't be great. 1:40:59.175 --> 1:41:02.735 It's not terribly expensive to move it fifty kilometers maybe 1:41:02.775 --> 1:41:05.495 thirty five thousand dollars and get some piles in the ground. 1:41:05.695 --> 1:41:06.255 You're good to go. 1:41:06.495 --> 1:41:09.455 It's affordable thing and you're going to take your toothbrush, 1:41:09.495 --> 1:41:11.895 because you even get a car so you can drive 1:41:11.935 --> 1:41:13.135 behind your house. 1:41:13.255 --> 1:41:17.015 On a truck far out so that and look, we're 1:41:17.015 --> 1:41:20.175 not talking expensive, right, So you've set the reserve at 1:41:20.215 --> 1:41:21.655 two hundred grand, that's. 1:41:21.495 --> 1:41:23.615 Correct, and we would have you know, more than four 1:41:23.695 --> 1:41:26.535 hundred in it, that's for sure for our sponsors donations. 1:41:26.575 --> 1:41:27.535 And that's without labor. 1:41:27.575 --> 1:41:30.175 So if you're coming in, you're going to get it 1:41:30.255 --> 1:41:31.615 under sort of four or five hundred. 1:41:31.615 --> 1:41:33.015 You're going to get a scale right there. 1:41:33.415 --> 1:41:34.215 What day is the auction? 1:41:34.575 --> 1:41:37.615 It is on Thursday, the third of April at four o'clock. 1:41:37.615 --> 1:41:39.815 It's a live auction with Barfoot and Thompson. So we'll 1:41:39.815 --> 1:41:42.295 be doing it on site, but of course fantastic do 1:41:42.375 --> 1:41:43.255 it online with you. 1:41:44.095 --> 1:41:44.855 All in your bid. 1:41:45.375 --> 1:41:47.975 Yeah, it'll be very exciting. I mean it's already exciting 1:41:48.015 --> 1:41:50.175 with the open homes, and this. 1:41:50.135 --> 1:41:51.055 Is not a one hit wonder. 1:41:51.135 --> 1:41:51.255 Ray. 1:41:51.575 --> 1:41:53.815 My understanding is you've got another house lined up and 1:41:53.895 --> 1:41:55.535 this will start again in May. 1:41:55.695 --> 1:41:57.775 That's correct, So this house will need to be off 1:41:57.775 --> 1:42:00.535 site by the end of April. We actually the builders 1:42:00.535 --> 1:42:03.495 out today are looking at thirty eight different homes that 1:42:03.535 --> 1:42:06.095 are going to be removed in a particular area and 1:42:06.415 --> 1:42:08.815 he will be narrowing that down. We need something that 1:42:08.855 --> 1:42:11.095 can fit on a truck, something with an iron roof, yep. 1:42:11.415 --> 1:42:14.695 And if it meets those specifications, then we can start 1:42:14.735 --> 1:42:16.775 crawling around and seeing if the bones are good and 1:42:16.775 --> 1:42:19.335 we'll pick that up and make it into something fabulous and. 1:42:19.295 --> 1:42:21.015 You'll spend your dollar. You're buying a house. 1:42:21.655 --> 1:42:23.855 Well, we've got our dollar ready. We're good to go. 1:42:24.815 --> 1:42:26.415 Can I just read out to you a couple of 1:42:26.415 --> 1:42:27.855 the texts that have come through So the way it 1:42:27.855 --> 1:42:30.855 works as people can text right into the studio. So 1:42:30.935 --> 1:42:34.135 this text what a wonderful story and what a resourceful 1:42:34.215 --> 1:42:37.815 person Charlotte is one Tree Hill College is blessed. Another 1:42:37.855 --> 1:42:39.855 person has said this is a game changer for our 1:42:39.895 --> 1:42:43.095 young people. Hope it gets replicated throughout New Zealand. Hope 1:42:43.175 --> 1:42:46.935 ko heads are listening from Lee because other schools have 1:42:46.975 --> 1:42:49.815 done builds right, but it's often from new or they've 1:42:49.855 --> 1:42:52.295 got frames and trusses and maybe a roof on site 1:42:52.375 --> 1:42:56.095 and it's the completion. This is genuinely new and game 1:42:56.175 --> 1:43:00.135 changing in terms of a deep retro fit and remodel 1:43:00.215 --> 1:43:01.415 of an existing building. 1:43:01.495 --> 1:43:05.375 Correct, And I think well for us we weren't confident 1:43:05.415 --> 1:43:07.215 to take a brand new bath because we don't have 1:43:07.255 --> 1:43:10.455 any covered area, We don't have a special space. We 1:43:10.575 --> 1:43:12.975 just have a triangular piece of land that the school 1:43:13.015 --> 1:43:14.295 couldn't use for anything. 1:43:14.055 --> 1:43:15.535 Else, and no one wanted. 1:43:15.935 --> 1:43:18.255 That was all we had, so we couldn't do the 1:43:18.335 --> 1:43:21.655 model with kring or with the frames and trusses, and 1:43:21.735 --> 1:43:24.415 we were considering tiny houses, but that really seemed to 1:43:24.415 --> 1:43:26.735 be much and gosh, how would we pay it back? 1:43:26.975 --> 1:43:29.935 So for us caring or was the difference between us 1:43:29.935 --> 1:43:31.695 being able to do this and not do it. And 1:43:32.135 --> 1:43:34.335 I do want to thank them for having that vision 1:43:34.535 --> 1:43:37.455 of sustainability and saying hey, look we will help you. 1:43:37.495 --> 1:43:39.535 And they did help us a lot to get this 1:43:39.735 --> 1:43:42.095 on site. They removed all this bust us before we 1:43:42.135 --> 1:43:46.575 got it, which meets the Ministry of Education specifications and 1:43:47.055 --> 1:43:49.175 it's allowed us to do this and now, of course 1:43:49.215 --> 1:43:51.535 it allows others to see what we're doing and they 1:43:51.535 --> 1:43:53.015 can do it too, and we want to share that. 1:43:53.095 --> 1:43:55.255 We want everyone in New Zelling to do it and 1:43:55.295 --> 1:43:56.895 they are more than welcome to contact us and we 1:43:56.895 --> 1:43:58.095 will give them everything we've got. 1:43:58.335 --> 1:44:00.255 You mentioned on Monday that some other schools were coming 1:44:00.295 --> 1:44:02.135 to look through. Did that happen this week? 1:44:02.215 --> 1:44:05.655 So on Thursday we had twenty five twenty seven people 1:44:05.695 --> 1:44:08.415 come from different schools around New Zealand to hear about 1:44:08.455 --> 1:44:12.455 what we were doing. And we had people talking from BCITO, 1:44:12.655 --> 1:44:15.935 from Moldi and Pacific Trade Training. We had Matthew talking 1:44:15.975 --> 1:44:19.455 about home staff. Yes, we had our rotary program talking 1:44:19.495 --> 1:44:22.535 about the mentoring program and the purpose was to show 1:44:22.575 --> 1:44:25.735 the rape Around program that we do share everything. There 1:44:25.775 --> 1:44:28.015 is no question that is not welcome. And we'll tell 1:44:28.055 --> 1:44:29.655 you what we've done because we want you to do 1:44:29.695 --> 1:44:30.055 it too. 1:44:30.255 --> 1:44:33.975 Yeah, and you're doing it again. And when I talked 1:44:33.975 --> 1:44:36.055 to you on Monday, I said, look, here's the deal. 1:44:36.135 --> 1:44:37.935 If you come into the studio and chat for half 1:44:37.935 --> 1:44:39.935 an hour, which we've done, I'll come and work for 1:44:39.975 --> 1:44:41.615 you for a day. So you just let me know 1:44:41.815 --> 1:44:43.615 and I'll be there with you. Not escape me my 1:44:43.735 --> 1:44:46.775 Pilly Penny on All right, looking forward to Charlotte mckewan 1:44:46.855 --> 1:44:48.775 from one Tree Hill College. All the very best for 1:44:48.815 --> 1:44:50.695 the auction. Check it out online. It's on trade Me. 1:44:50.735 --> 1:44:54.015 It'll be on the Bathlet and website, Bartheton Thompson website. 1:44:54.135 --> 1:44:56.455 Good luck with the auction and thank you very much 1:44:56.495 --> 1:45:00.815 for joining me today. Yeah back with Rudd in just 1:45:00.855 --> 1:45:04.615 a moment. Squeaky door or Squeaky floor. 1:45:04.775 --> 1:45:08.095 Get the right advice from Me Wolfcamp, the Resident Builder 1:45:08.335 --> 1:45:12.615 on News Talk SeeDB. 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