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Speaker 4: Very very good morning, and welcome along to the Resident
Speaker 4: Builder on Sunday here at news Talk c B with
Speaker 4: me Petele worlf Camp, the Resident Builder. So if you've
Speaker 4: got a question of a building nature, you are more
Speaker 4: than welcome to call right now. You can text as well,
Speaker 4: you can even email go through those details in a moment,
Speaker 4: but calls are always best. Welcome to the show, and
Speaker 4: I trust you've had a good week as we are
Speaker 4: writ and down the date, second of March already and
Speaker 4: I'm guessing that there's probably a bunch of people a
Speaker 4: little bit like me, going, oh, I thought I would
Speaker 4: have got that done by now. Maybe you know, now
Speaker 4: we're into March, that's the third month of the year.
Speaker 4: I better get cracking with those projects, and I better
Speaker 4: get cracking with them before inevitably spring or summer that
Speaker 4: turns to autumn, turned to winter, and then that becomes
Speaker 4: the oh, well, I can't do the job now it's
Speaker 4: almost winter time. I'm speaking from my own experience. I've
Speaker 4: got a couple of tasks that I know I'm pretty
Speaker 4: keen to get done before winter comes, and it's just
Speaker 4: too wet or too unpredictable in terms of weather. So
Speaker 4: you know, a little bit of pressure on to get
Speaker 4: those jobs out of the way. If you've got a
Speaker 4: project that is underway, a perhaps a project that is
Speaker 4: underway and is going spectacularly well, but you just want
Speaker 4: a few little finishing details, or you want to discuss
Speaker 4: a few little finishing details, we can do that. Perhaps
Speaker 4: you've got a project that's underway that isn't quite going
Speaker 4: the way that you hoped and thought it might go,
Speaker 4: and you want to talk about that. We can do
Speaker 4: that as well. Perhaps you've encountered some new materials or
Speaker 4: some new ideas. We can talk about that for sure.
Speaker 4: In fact, one of the actually it was a delightful trip.
Speaker 4: I was in Queenstown yesterday. So the Southern Lakes Home
Speaker 4: and Garden Show is on just at the events center
Speaker 4: right near the airport actually and started on Friday. I
Speaker 4: went down on said it's on again today and went
Speaker 4: down to meet with a number of the exhibitors and
Speaker 4: do a little bit of filming and but some pieces.
Speaker 4: And because I had plenty of time yesterday, actually I
Speaker 4: spent quite a bit of time with individual exhibitors talking
Speaker 4: about their products and just kind of tossing around ideas.
Speaker 4: And it's a for someone and I guess in my situation,
Speaker 4: it's a great opportunity to talk to other experts in
Speaker 4: their field. So whether that was off site manufacture, whether
Speaker 4: it was some issues around joinery, whether it was some
Speaker 4: issues around you know, types of insulation and insulation performance.
Speaker 4: I had breakfast with a building survey, so we were
Speaker 4: talking about the H one compliance that the submissions closed
Speaker 4: on Friday. So this was the big political story from
Speaker 4: last year. We talked about it just a fascinating sort
Speaker 4: of opportunity to go out and chat with people like
Speaker 4: I say, it's on again today. I was down yesterday,
Speaker 4: back up last night. So beautiful. You forget just how
Speaker 4: stunning that part of the world is. You can understand
Speaker 4: why tourists from all around the world flock there. It
Speaker 4: was stunning day yesterday. But the Home Garden Show on
Speaker 4: again today, right and before we rip into the calls,
Speaker 4: which we will do in just a moment, highlight of
Speaker 4: the week for me was attending the official opening of
Speaker 4: a house that had been refurbished by students at One
Speaker 4: Tree Hill College. If you watch TV one News, if
Speaker 4: you watch the Breakfast Show on Monday, you would have
Speaker 4: seen a bit of a feature on this. This was
Speaker 4: an initiative where a house that otherwise would have gone
Speaker 4: to landfill. It's an old ko house that's come from
Speaker 4: probably along ti you arch Our Drive where they're doing
Speaker 4: the busway in Auckland, from sort of what is it
Speaker 4: pucket Owner basically through to Botany and rather than those
Speaker 4: houses just being crushed on site or trucked away and
Speaker 4: disposed of, one of these three bedroom houses was shipped
Speaker 4: across to One Tree Hill College where the students were
Speaker 4: in association with some trade professionals and a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of very generous companies completely refurbished the house and it's
Speaker 4: now new kitchen, new bathroom, new lining, new insallation, everything,
Speaker 4: basically a new joinery. It's a fabulous, really straightforward simple
Speaker 4: house that's available for sale, so it's online, it's on trade.
Speaker 4: Me I'm pretty sure it'll be on one roof and
Speaker 4: that house is going to be auctioned. The money will
Speaker 4: go back into the program, and they've already booked a
Speaker 4: new house. So I went along to the opening, which
Speaker 4: was great bunch of people that I knew there. She
Speaker 4: Chris Penk the Minister was there as well, and I
Speaker 4: got talking to Charlotte McEwan, who is the teacher in
Speaker 4: charge of trade training at the college. And then we're
Speaker 4: chatting and I went, how would you feel about coming
Speaker 4: into the studio and having a bit of a chat.
Speaker 4: So she's going to join us after eight o'clock this morning.
Speaker 4: I'm really looking forward to that. It is a fantastic initiative.
Speaker 4: There are sort of variations of it across the country.
Speaker 4: It's not the first time I've heard of schools either
Speaker 4: building from scratch, but there is some particular features of
Speaker 4: this program which I think are really outstanding and hopefully
Speaker 4: we'll be picked up by other colleges. And having a
Speaker 4: chat with her on the Monday, apparently other schools were
Speaker 4: coming through to look at the program and see how
Speaker 4: it was run, how they structure it, with a hope
Speaker 4: maybe of introducing that to other secondary schools. And if
Speaker 4: you've ever sat down and talked to anyone about trade training,
Speaker 4: getting young people into the trades and just the challenges
Speaker 4: we face there, I think this is a fantastic initiative.
Speaker 4: So really looking forward to talking to Charlotte around eight o'clock,
Speaker 4: just after the o'clock news, she's going to come into
Speaker 4: the studio. Rity. Oh that's my introduction for the day.
Speaker 4: Oh we've got Bryce as well, our razine painting expert
Speaker 4: from seven thirty, So any specific painting questions you can
Speaker 4: text those through to nine two ninety two. If you'd
Speaker 4: like to email me, it's Pete at newsorksb dot co
Speaker 4: dot nz. And better of all of them, out of
Speaker 4: all of those things, if there's a hierarchy, let's get
Speaker 4: on the phone. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty My
Speaker 4: apologies too. You can probably hear my voices a little
Speaker 4: bit croquy, and there might be the occasional splutter on
Speaker 4: my part, you know, classic sort of cold at this
Speaker 4: time of year. Thankfully it is just a cold, so
Speaker 4: we'll box on through that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty,
Speaker 4: let's rip into it. Great to hear from you, and
Speaker 4: great to be with you this second day of March
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five. Donnie, A very good morning. Hello Donnie.
Speaker 5: Hello, Iry. I thought you see Bee. I thought you
Speaker 5: see Ben. I thought that's definitely not me.
Speaker 4: No, that you Donnie. How are you?
Speaker 5: It's Donnie, lovely Pete, Thanks so much for taking my call. Listen,
Speaker 5: I have three quick questions for you, but they will
Speaker 5: be quick for you. Insulation Now, I have a nineteen
Speaker 5: twenty six bungalow and it's been well maintained. I obviously
Speaker 5: haven't been in it that long, but I've been in
Speaker 5: it now for about twenty years.
Speaker 4: In time's the national average. Typically we're movie every five years,
Speaker 4: don't we.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, not me obviously, but anyway, it's got insulation.
Speaker 5: I've had insulation put in the roof and it was
Speaker 5: the blowing in type variety. It was around twelve to
Speaker 5: fifteen years ago now, and it was the rock wall.
Speaker 6: Type.
Speaker 5: I won't say which company, but it was a rock
Speaker 5: fall type thing. Now, what I want to know is
Speaker 5: can I top that up with anything like another blow
Speaker 5: and product or does it have to be the same or.
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: In terms of compatibility, there's not really any issue, you know,
Speaker 4: if you had have said, look, it's really old insulation
Speaker 4: and it's been there for a long time and it's
Speaker 4: kind of settled down and you're a bit unsure about
Speaker 4: its provenance, let's say, then there are companies that will
Speaker 4: remove that and you can add new insulation or replace
Speaker 4: it with new insulation. But it's not an uncommon practice
Speaker 4: to upgrade your ceiling insulation by adding another layer. So
Speaker 4: yes you could. And do you know what the depth
Speaker 4: of the blowing insulation is?
Speaker 8: Rough?
Speaker 5: Gosh, If I had all the paperworkuse I would if
Speaker 5: I was better organized, I would have delved under the
Speaker 5: house and the work.
Speaker 4: Look, if it's a blowing system, and there will be
Speaker 4: inevitably and the different insulation performs differently, But it's not
Speaker 4: unfair to say that the blow and insulation will settle
Speaker 4: over time, right And as it does. It's effectiveness diminishous.
Speaker 4: We're only talking, you know, tiny percentages, but it does
Speaker 4: do that. So if you if someone went up there
Speaker 4: and found that, yes, there was blown insulation in there,
Speaker 4: and maybe it did settle so that it was almost
Speaker 4: at the height of the ceiling joists which run across
Speaker 4: the room, adding a layer above that and so effectively
Speaker 4: putting insulation at nine degrees to the direction of the
Speaker 4: ceiling choice will mean that you eliminate the thermal bridging.
Speaker 4: So there's a real advantage to that, right, Yes, okay,
Speaker 4: you can add something.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, that's perfect, and it doesn't need.
Speaker 4: To be so it doesn't have to be the same product,
Speaker 4: No it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, that's perfect, thank you. Question number two the
Speaker 5: deck and I'm trying to do it but each day.
Speaker 5: And I actually ran you a couple of years ago,
Speaker 5: which of course you won't remember. Give of course i'd
Speaker 5: be horrif cleaning it with a wire brush when we're
Speaker 5: not have been wet cleaning it with a wire brush,
Speaker 5: and okay, and blah blah blah. And someone one of
Speaker 5: your callers kindly rang in and said that woman councisus
Speaker 5: leave it with the cleaning it with the wire brush.
Speaker 5: He needs to use something afterwards, and he told me
Speaker 5: what the recipe was. Oh, okay, it involved bleach, and
Speaker 5: I didn't want to use bleach. I don't want to
Speaker 5: work with it and environmentally, I don't want to use it.
Speaker 5: So I googled and several different site said that box
Speaker 5: water and dish washing liquor for goods. So I've been
Speaker 5: using that and it's coming up well.
Speaker 4: And the decking that you're talking about is this tongue
Speaker 4: and groove decking with a painted surface on it.
Speaker 5: No, it's not painted. It's just a wooden deck, the
Speaker 5: boards on it, with the you know, the ridges on
Speaker 5: the unfortunately, so it's it's pretty black all over. And
Speaker 5: I get the funnel, you know, for sunning. It's north facing,
Speaker 5: so I get the sun all day, but it still
Speaker 5: goes black.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 5: But I've been doing a bit each day, but I
Speaker 5: want to put something on. I feel like I should
Speaker 5: put something on. It's all silver, but I feel that,
Speaker 5: you know, the boards are.
Speaker 4: Splitting and the sort of inevitable.
Speaker 5: There's so many products out there, and I don't want
Speaker 5: to paint it. I don't want to put a stain
Speaker 5: on it. I just want to put some sort of
Speaker 5: oil or something. So what should I use?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there are decking like there are specific
Speaker 4: decking oils that you could use. Certainly, I know in
Speaker 4: the razine range most of them will have a slight
Speaker 4: tint to them, so there's not really a clear but
Speaker 4: you could choose, you know, a brownish color or something
Speaker 4: like that that suits the timber. And one of the
Speaker 4: advantages I think to selling timber decks is that it
Speaker 4: just stops that It just inhibits that mold growth. It
Speaker 4: seals the surface a little bit and stops all of
Speaker 4: that mold growth going into the spores. Initially. Eventually they'll
Speaker 4: get in and all decks will require maintenance, but I
Speaker 4: think sealing it is a huge advantage.
Speaker 5: Now the decks going to need The one thing I
Speaker 5: didn't mention, it's the decks going to need to placing
Speaker 5: probably in the next yep three to five years, so
Speaker 5: it's still worth doing though I have no maintenance from
Speaker 5: the last twenty at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look it well, will it give you a couple
Speaker 4: of extra years, probably not, but it certainly will prevent
Speaker 4: the recurrence of recurrence rather of that mold growth.
Speaker 5: Right, and make it look better and less splinters.
Speaker 4: Well splinters are slightly but by sealing it you won't
Speaker 4: have the fivers, you know, deteriorating right, So yes, that
Speaker 4: will help with the splinters.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's wonderful, thy lovely to talk with you.
Speaker 9: Question.
Speaker 5: There's one more as a big one.
Speaker 4: Oh, go go the big one.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I probably want to run off and a break magice.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I'm all good.
Speaker 5: Number three French doors. Yes, now, I've got three lots
Speaker 5: of French doors along the well. I call it the
Speaker 5: front of the house, but it's actually technic to the
Speaker 5: back of the house. For about the last five years
Speaker 5: now they've started playing out. And is it the mortis
Speaker 5: joints down the bottom, yes, is starting to split apart.
Speaker 5: So for the last sorry, three winters in a row.
Speaker 5: Now when I if it's been raining for people days
Speaker 5: in a row, which of course we get that all
Speaker 5: the time. I can't open the doors. I can open them,
Speaker 5: I can open them with a lot of force, but
Speaker 5: I can't close them again, so which is obviously a
Speaker 5: real pain in the proverbial. So last year I had them.
Speaker 5: I get them painted. Every two or three years in
Speaker 5: the exterior, so they're in. The door itself is in
Speaker 5: good condition. The whole theater good good condition. Last year
Speaker 5: the painter's husband did a quick fix on the main
Speaker 5: doors and that's that has made a difference. But still
Speaker 5: in the winter there are days where I can't open
Speaker 5: them and I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Force them anymore.
Speaker 5: I rang one company and they said the only way
Speaker 5: to fix Actually no, sorry, I rang about three companies.
Speaker 5: Two weren't interested.
Speaker 4: One I should last you.
Speaker 5: You're not surprised.
Speaker 4: No, no, they are jobs to do. Yep.
Speaker 5: One said he was very interested, but the only way
Speaker 5: was to replace the whole door and they were going
Speaker 5: to cross three thousand each. Wow, that was going to
Speaker 5: be ten thousand, and that was two to three years ago.
Speaker 4: So what I play without seeing the doors? You know, look,
Speaker 4: probably in ninety percent of the cases, someone who's got
Speaker 4: some experience with joinery would be able to take the
Speaker 4: door off, maybe gap the joints a little bit, so
Speaker 4: you actually sort of force the tenin and mortis apart,
Speaker 4: square them back up again, fix them back together with
Speaker 4: a good quality exterior epoxy glue, put them back in.
Speaker 4: You might need to adjust the door and inevitably, maybe
Speaker 4: you'll end up taking a little bit off the bottom
Speaker 4: and there might be a slightly uneven gap at the top.
Speaker 4: But I think, and this time of year it's not
Speaker 4: a bad time to do it, so you know, it's
Speaker 4: nice and dry and all the rest of it. I
Speaker 4: think if you can find the right person, they be
Speaker 4: able to come through. Like I say, gap it all,
Speaker 4: reglue it, hang the doors again, adjust them, and you'll
Speaker 4: get years and years of use out of them. But
Speaker 4: it is quite true that over time, you know, the
Speaker 4: original glues will fail and the tenin and mortars will move,
Speaker 4: and then it becomes like a self perpetuating cycle, right
Speaker 4: because as it touches, then you pull the door closed,
Speaker 4: and so the bottom of the door rubs on the
Speaker 4: sill and that takes off the paint. And then by
Speaker 4: taking off the paint, you open up the fibers, and
Speaker 4: because it's in contact with the sill, more moisture gets
Speaker 4: into it and it accelerates the process. So maintaining a
Speaker 4: gap around your joinery, which prevents water from beating and
Speaker 4: being absorbed from one surface to the other, is actually
Speaker 4: really really critical. And then inevitably, you know, again this
Speaker 4: is what happens with old jowinery. You pull it closed
Speaker 4: and it binds at the bottom, so you pull it
Speaker 4: a bit harder, which means you're racking the door, and
Speaker 4: that then twists all of the the joints. That then
Speaker 4: puts pressure on them. It forces them a bit open.
Speaker 4: Because they've been forced open, they then move a little
Speaker 4: bit more, which means they drop a bit more. So look,
Speaker 4: it's it's like all of us perhaps as we get
Speaker 4: a little bit older, you know a bit of TRC
Speaker 4: and a little bit of maintenance. But I think if
Speaker 4: you can find the right person who's familiar with joinery,
Speaker 4: get them to come and reclamp the door, glue it,
Speaker 4: ease it, and you'll be fine. Lovely to talk to you,
Speaker 4: Donnie as always, and please.
Speaker 5: So much, don't believe it another couple.
Speaker 4: Of years, right, all of this, take care well, lovely
Speaker 4: Caul to get started. All the very best to you
Speaker 4: your news talk said b If you'd like to call
Speaker 4: eight hundred eighty ten eighty we can talk about your projects.
Speaker 4: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty will be back with Emma
Speaker 4: in just a.
Speaker 1: Moment, helping you get those DIY projects done. Right to
Speaker 1: the resident Filder with Peter Wolf Cats Call eight hundred
Speaker 1: eighty eighty youth Talk, said.
Speaker 4: I must give you a bit of an update to
Speaker 4: on a story that we started on right at the
Speaker 4: end of last year or last week's show, where I
Speaker 4: kind of made a quite off the cuff remark when
Speaker 4: we're talking about you know, projects, and specially if you've
Speaker 4: got labor only contractors working for you, right and if
Speaker 4: you're a client and you're looking at people are on
Speaker 4: their phone and so on. And the guy was very
Speaker 4: much of the opinion that you know, if you've got
Speaker 4: a bunch of chippy's working, you don't want to see
Speaker 4: them on their phone during the day, especially if you're
Speaker 4: paying them by the hour. You know, there's always a
Speaker 4: little bit of tolerance in there. But I've got a
Speaker 4: fantastic text from a guy who I suspect as a
Speaker 4: plumber who runs a number of tradees, and he said, look,
Speaker 4: you've got to remember our guys, or his guys in particular,
Speaker 4: using their phones. Essentially it's a tool, right, So if
Speaker 4: they've come to a job, they go out to the van,
Speaker 4: they grab a couple of crocsnuts and an elbow and
Speaker 4: they'll use their phone to record all of that's part
Speaker 4: of their accounting. They'll use the phone to note down
Speaker 4: the job and the address, and the hours spent at
Speaker 4: the job. They might be using the phone to look
Speaker 4: at plans to do health and safety, which is really important,
Speaker 4: those sorts of things. I thought, well, that's actually a
Speaker 4: very good text. I'll make sure that I didn't have
Speaker 4: time to read it out last week. I think it
Speaker 4: would be a fantastic topic. It's a little bit more
Speaker 4: talk backy than is suitable for this show, but man,
Speaker 4: you could have some fun with that topic in a
Speaker 4: talkback situation. I might save that up for the next time.
Speaker 4: I ended up finding myself doing an overnight, which I
Speaker 4: did a couple I haven't been invited back. I'll take
Speaker 4: that as read. It is twenty eight minutes after six.
Speaker 4: Welcome along to the show, Emma, thanks for waiting, and
Speaker 4: a very good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Good morning. I'm I'm just feeding a todd of the
Speaker 5: breakfast if.
Speaker 10: There's any background multitasking. But I have a.
Speaker 9: Question about stealing tile, like slate tiles. So we bought
Speaker 9: a nineteen eighties house about eighteen months ago, and when
Speaker 9: we bought it, we thought the tiles looked a bit tired,
Speaker 9: and we wanted to put a steeler on, and we
Speaker 9: did a bit of research and bought a Aquamex penetrating
Speaker 9: sealer from tile Max. But within about three to six
Speaker 9: months we've found that they'd started to flake and then
Speaker 9: flaked in pieces from the side of a ten cent
Speaker 9: coin right up to like the diameter of a can
Speaker 9: of baked beans, so quite large.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: And then in the garden.
Speaker 9: Shed I found an old can of watt or estipole
Speaker 9: or something like that, and it looks like maybe.
Speaker 5: We used a different product.
Speaker 9: And now I just don't know what to do because
Speaker 9: it's flaking off and flakes off so much more in
Speaker 9: summer because it sticks to your feet like the heat
Speaker 9: of your foot or something. And the flake tiles are
Speaker 9: going all through the house.
Speaker 5: So what do I do now?
Speaker 4: Okay? So just I think I'm stunning at a picture
Speaker 4: of sort of classic nineteen eighties, right, and I was
Speaker 4: building back then. So these are tiles laid laid down
Speaker 4: on the exterior of the house or interior.
Speaker 5: No in the kitchen and the yep.
Speaker 4: Okay. And then obviously because if you leave them untreated,
Speaker 4: the you know, you'll it's really hard to keep them
Speaker 4: clean and that sort of thing. So over the years,
Speaker 4: someone's probably put a seala on them. Esterpol from my
Speaker 4: recollection is more like a polyurethane, and that that wouldn't
Speaker 4: have been suitable at all. And if you've then added
Speaker 4: a seala over the top of the polyurethane, you will
Speaker 4: get delamination between the two surfaces. That the challenge then
Speaker 4: that the challenge is pretty much around how do you
Speaker 4: strip the whatever coatings have been there, and what type
Speaker 4: of seala would you apply? And it's the stripping process
Speaker 4: that's going to be really difficult.
Speaker 6: Oh no, and literally.
Speaker 4: Look to be fair, I probably would head down that
Speaker 4: path only because it's probably going to involve some solvents
Speaker 4: and bits and pieces. And also if you're going to
Speaker 4: be using solvents and then water to rin so how
Speaker 4: do you clean that off? So you need someone with
Speaker 4: wet and dry extraction and all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 4: I tell you what. Years and years ago, we had
Speaker 4: a similar situation where a client wanted to use terra
Speaker 4: cotta tiles through the downstairs dining and kitchen area and
Speaker 4: they were insistent that they just leave them unsealed, right,
Speaker 4: they'll just be natural. Well, of course, within about a
Speaker 4: year they were black right, and it looked terrible. And
Speaker 4: so as I recall, I think I actually used graffiti Guard,
Speaker 4: the company that you see around, and they came in
Speaker 4: and striped the coatings off and then applied a sealer
Speaker 4: over the top of it. The other option is to
Speaker 4: go to one of the large tile shops, someone like
Speaker 4: tile Space for example, and see whether they might have people.
Speaker 4: The other company that I've used to refurbish tiles has
Speaker 4: been grout Pro. So they came in and, you know,
Speaker 4: meticulously cleaned the surface, so literally a miniature water blaster
Speaker 4: and a vacuum cleaner water blasted the tiles and vacuumed
Speaker 4: up at the same time, cleaned it thoroughly, then re
Speaker 4: epoxied all of the mortar joints and so on. So
Speaker 4: graffiti Guard might be an option. Try one of the
Speaker 4: tile shops, or try grout Pro right.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, because it's in its interior in the.
Speaker 9: Kitchen area, so exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well it is. This was like a tiny
Speaker 4: little high pressure jet, but what they were able to
Speaker 4: do is use that and have wet and dry extraction
Speaker 4: at the same time, so you know, it's a process
Speaker 4: that they do often and they're used to doing it.
Speaker 4: So I think it'll be a case of maybe applying
Speaker 4: a stripper of some description, then removing that, thoroughly cleaning
Speaker 4: the area, and then reapplying. And I would say that
Speaker 4: the sealers, and I'm not sure about specific slate sealers,
Speaker 4: but there will be some that will perhaps rather than
Speaker 4: adhering to the surface, will just penetrate in and then
Speaker 4: seal the surf, and then that then becomes a maintenance thing.
Speaker 4: You use a particular type of cleaner and every year
Speaker 4: you reapply a sealer over the top. But that'll be
Speaker 4: a permanent solution.
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you very much for all the.
Speaker 4: Best, Take care, you have a great day. All the best. Then,
Speaker 4: oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 4: to call. Quick text A peaked two weeks ago. We
Speaker 4: inquired about unplastered joints and screw holes and a garage
Speaker 4: ceiling firewall. The vendors have done some of the plastering,
Speaker 4: but did not plaster behind the timber frames because the
Speaker 4: ceiling space is difficult to access. How can the plastering
Speaker 4: be done to meet council requirements given the difficulty of
Speaker 4: reaching some parts of the joints. The fact that it's
Speaker 4: difficult is nobody's problem apart from the person who didn't
Speaker 4: do it right in the first place. So if the
Speaker 4: vendors have got and fire ratings particularly important right, you
Speaker 4: know there will even if it's difficult, there'll still be
Speaker 4: a solution. And I what do I see The other day?
Speaker 4: It was more in an apartment situation, so residential, multi
Speaker 4: story building, where during regular maintenance work they'd found that
Speaker 4: some of the penetrations or the fire the penetrations through firewalls,
Speaker 4: let's say, from a corridor into the apartment above the
Speaker 4: ceiling level, were not particularly well detailed, and there's very
Speaker 4: specific details around the size of the penetration, the type
Speaker 4: of cable that's going through it. You can either use
Speaker 4: fire collars or certain types of sealent, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 4: et cetera. What they did because it was obviously a
Speaker 4: bit of a hodgepodge, and no one was sure about
Speaker 4: how well the stopping was done, and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it is applied in intermedcent coating over the entire surface,
Speaker 4: so all of the exposed fire line jib and our
Speaker 4: presume its fireline right through this area was simply coated
Speaker 4: in an intermedcent ceiler, which apparently was quite cost effective
Speaker 4: and relatively quick to do. So I'm guessing in this situation,
Speaker 4: it might be that there's some timber over the top
Speaker 4: of the fire rated I mean timber itself has a
Speaker 4: char rating, so it has a burn time, which means
Speaker 4: maybe you don't need to But perhaps what you need
Speaker 4: to do is get someone to get a fire engineer
Speaker 4: to assess it, get them to give you a description
Speaker 4: of the work that needs to be done, and then
Speaker 4: follow those instructions. And it might just be you may
Speaker 4: not need to do anything, or you may just need
Speaker 4: to cote that exposed timber. Oh, eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 4: ten eighty. It does get quite quick technical, quite quickly.
Speaker 4: Old cold villa hello with old thin glass, and we're
Speaker 4: talking glass that might be like, you know, three millimeters thick.
Speaker 4: We're changing to a high spec laminate glass. Get us
Speaker 4: closer to double glazing. Cassette speck that are expensive on
Speaker 4: double hung sash windows. You can find all the numbers online, right,
Speaker 4: so all of the statistics for the thermal performance of
Speaker 4: glazing will be online, whether it's independently or whether it's
Speaker 4: with a company that you might be interested in. Laminate
Speaker 4: will not give you the same therm will performance as
Speaker 4: double glazing. It just doesn't work that way. It will
Speaker 4: give you some benefit. It will also give you benefit
Speaker 4: in terms of acoustics and so on, but it won't
Speaker 4: be the same, but it will be an improvement in
Speaker 4: the same way. That's saying. Look, if you took out
Speaker 4: your old two and a half three mil glass and
Speaker 4: replace it with four mill float, that will be better
Speaker 4: because it's thicker. But having two layers of glass with
Speaker 4: a layer in between won't give you the same benefits
Speaker 4: as double glazing. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is
Speaker 4: the number four. We'll take a short break. We'll talk
Speaker 4: to Kathy in just a moment.
Speaker 1: God once, but maybe call Pete first for your aff
Speaker 1: the resident builder news dogs.
Speaker 4: They'd be in like a robber's dog. I am right here, Kathy,
Speaker 4: good morning, Thanks.
Speaker 10: I have a grander that has Douglas fir rafters. Yes,
Speaker 10: the one rafters facing shouts, you know, the outside one
Speaker 10: and the other one spacing north and the north one
Speaker 10: is fine, but the south one has got some sort
Speaker 10: of dozy bits along the along the length of it. Now,
Speaker 10: someone said to me, oh, you can scoop out the
Speaker 10: dozy bits and fill up with bog because there's strength
Speaker 10: still in the douglasphere, because it's sort of got the
Speaker 10: weak bits of wood and the.
Speaker 6: Strong bits of wood.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's there.
Speaker 6: There is.
Speaker 4: I suppose what it is is a in a piece
Speaker 4: of timber protect in a structural piece of timber. There's
Speaker 4: always a redundancy, right, so you could take out it.
Speaker 4: But it then becomes a question of the extent of it.
Speaker 4: So you know, if let's say, what's happened, and I
Speaker 4: can imagine that perhaps a little bit of water has
Speaker 4: got into the top of the douglasphere. Has it got
Speaker 4: roofing over it? Or is it just a purglar that's open,
Speaker 4: doesn't have roofing on it.
Speaker 10: No, it's got it clear line, and it's got over
Speaker 10: it as well.
Speaker 6: But somehow water's got in.
Speaker 4: Inevitably, sometimes with these things that you know, with movement
Speaker 4: and so on, there'll be water that gets around the fixings,
Speaker 4: finds its way down through where the fixing penetrates the
Speaker 4: roofing and into the timber itself. And then because one
Speaker 4: of the beauties of Douglas Fair is typically you don't
Speaker 4: need to treat it. But if it does get wet
Speaker 4: and it stays wet, it will start to decay. And
Speaker 4: so that's that's what's happening. If you were to get
Speaker 4: up on a step ladder safely and sort of push
Speaker 4: against the rafter, do you get any movement?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 10: No, the raft seems to be quite fair.
Speaker 4: And you know the extent of the rot would it
Speaker 4: be one fifth of the depth of the rafter? Would
Speaker 4: it be half of the rafter? That sort of thing.
Speaker 10: There's one place where the light was, yeah, because there
Speaker 10: was an outside light through that. It's all the way
Speaker 10: through and there. Yeah. So it's like there's a hole,
Speaker 10: a bigger hole than just a drilling hole through that spot.
Speaker 4: Right. What's the width of the rafters.
Speaker 10: Oh, they're quite big. Yeah, so they are like about
Speaker 10: I don't know, would they be two inches or two inches?
Speaker 4: Okay, but I mean if you've got two yeah, so
Speaker 4: six or eight for two in the old language. Right,
Speaker 4: But if you've got a bit of decay that goes
Speaker 4: from the top of the rafters to the bottom through
Speaker 4: a two inch piece. You'd be getting pretty close to
Speaker 4: that being unsound. Now, given that nobody hopefully nobody has
Speaker 4: to walk on the roof, and that there are adjoining rafters,
Speaker 4: you know, the danger in terms of it collapsing are
Speaker 4: fairly small. Look, if you were to repair it, there's
Speaker 4: a couple of things. One is you remove as much
Speaker 4: of the loose material as you possibly can. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: be too aggressive with it, but you could just with
Speaker 4: a sharp knife or a chisel or something like that
Speaker 4: remove the loose parts. I would probably apply some timber
Speaker 4: treatment that will prevent the or slow down the decay
Speaker 4: spreading through the timber, and then rather than using something
Speaker 4: like builder's bog, which has little strength to it. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a good product in the right application. In this application,
Speaker 4: I'd probably use something like repair Care, which is a
Speaker 4: product you can buy at the Razine color shops. It's
Speaker 4: a two part Essentially, it's an epoxy that is both
Speaker 4: a filler and an adhesive, so it will it will
Speaker 4: hold better. Now, depending on this the amount that you
Speaker 4: need to use, I mean, could you just take that
Speaker 4: rafter out and replace it? We're starting That sounds like
Speaker 4: a big job.
Speaker 10: Doesn't it That sounds okay?
Speaker 4: Look, I think if you were to repair it, I
Speaker 4: would scrape out any loose material, try and get someone
Speaker 4: to do it a bit of a timber preservative like
Speaker 4: ProTem or framesaver, or there's even products called timber hardeners
Speaker 4: which are specifically for repairing areas of decay, and then
Speaker 4: I use the repair care as Do I.
Speaker 10: Get those from somewhere like Bunnings.
Speaker 4: Or repair Care I'm pretty sure is only at at
Speaker 4: the Razine color shops, So that's where I buy it from,
Speaker 4: you know, frame savers and timber preservators, and that you'll
Speaker 4: get at any of the large hardware stores.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, So then so then should I go and
Speaker 10: make sure I put some silicon and screw down on those,
Speaker 10: you know, for the fleshings and the clear life.
Speaker 4: What you might find is that either the hole through
Speaker 4: the roofing has enlarged right so with a bit of movement,
Speaker 4: or perhaps the little near prene washer on the underside
Speaker 4: has decayed, or you know, it might have been overtightened
Speaker 4: and then it's split and come away. So yes, if
Speaker 4: you can identify where that moisture might be getting in
Speaker 4: and you replace those fixings. That'd be a great idea
Speaker 4: to cool now.
Speaker 10: Someone's also suggested, sorry, you be.
Speaker 4: Super careful walking around on top of or working on
Speaker 4: top of the clear light.
Speaker 11: He yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, I won't get
Speaker 11: up on. Someone else suggested, I've just had my house
Speaker 11: three roofs. I didn't do redo the clear light because
Speaker 11: it's not in too bad condition, but I've got an
Speaker 11: extra piece of fleshing left over, and they suggested putting
Speaker 11: fleshing over the whole of the raft that outside rafter.
Speaker 11: Would that be booth one or do you think?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Potentially, like if it's a ClearLight roofing and it just
Speaker 4: runs to the end of the pergola and then stops,
Speaker 4: there's nothing to stop water tracking back in. So effectively,
Speaker 4: if you had like an L shaped flashing that went
Speaker 4: over there so that it directed any water that falls
Speaker 4: on top of the clear light orgated clear light runs
Speaker 4: to the end and drops into the spouting. And also
Speaker 4: anything that gets blown in from the side doesn't get
Speaker 4: a chance to get blown in because the opron of
Speaker 4: the barge fleshing is there. So yes, a fleshing at
Speaker 4: either end will make a difference.
Speaker 10: As well, So there is a fleshing already over the side,
Speaker 10: but it only comes down like a couple of mil
Speaker 10: you know, it just comes from the top of the
Speaker 10: clear like down over the Douglas sphere. This was putting
Speaker 10: a full fleshing in.
Speaker 4: That would help. But to be fair, anything more than
Speaker 4: fifty millimeters used to be the code. Now it's seventy five.
Speaker 4: So if you've got seventy five milk cover from the
Speaker 4: top of the raft down that will certainly stop any
Speaker 4: moisture coming through.
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, all of the best, Thank you so much, take.
Speaker 4: Care all of us. Kathy bother then and John, quick
Speaker 4: question from you, how are you sir?
Speaker 8: I'm good. You know when you've got insulation brown into
Speaker 8: the ceiling space yep. And if you recommend topping it up.
Speaker 4: Again yes in situations.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well if you cover those those timbers up where
Speaker 8: you walk to the ceiling, how do you know where?
Speaker 8: How do you know? Then you know where the where
Speaker 8: they where? These uh timbers are again that you usually
Speaker 8: either walk on or if it's if it's a high ceilings.
Speaker 8: Basically you've got to call on hands and knees. Now,
Speaker 8: if you blame mind on top of that, or you
Speaker 8: lay more insulation on top of that, or where identify
Speaker 8: the walk.
Speaker 4: It's the price you pay for progress.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's that's not answering it. I mean, you're
Speaker 8: going to be really don't you do?
Speaker 4: But but you don't get So what you're saying is
Speaker 4: what you're saying, John, And I understand where you're coming from, right,
Speaker 4: I've been in enough ceilings to go, hey, look, it's
Speaker 4: much easier if you're clambering around inside an old bungalow
Speaker 4: or a villa or something like that, and you can
Speaker 4: see the ceiling joisting and step from one to the other.
Speaker 4: But just for the occasional time that you might need
Speaker 4: to go into the ceiling, not having decent insulation there
Speaker 4: doesn't make any logical sense to me, right, So the
Speaker 4: better thing to do is to have lots of insulation
Speaker 4: and then to be a lot more cautious when you're
Speaker 4: walking around in there. The other thing too, and you'll
Speaker 4: know this because your obvious experience is that typically the
Speaker 4: ceiling joist will be in line with the rafter, right,
Speaker 4: So if as you're walking through you can see where
Speaker 4: the rafter goes down to the top plate, you know
Speaker 4: that either directly underneath it or to the left and
Speaker 4: the right, so we're only talking fifty mil either way.
Speaker 4: That's where the ceiling raft is going to be, so
Speaker 4: you will be able to find out where they are.
Speaker 4: But to me, like wanting to keep some sort of
Speaker 4: access in the roof is not a good enough reason
Speaker 4: not to do better insulation.
Speaker 8: Well, wouldn't you reader be to sucking up the old
Speaker 8: and then refit new insulation? Not all? See, because you
Speaker 8: know very well for people that know where to walk,
Speaker 8: there's too many people with climbin and roofs that they
Speaker 8: know where.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then don't let them up there. And then you know,
Speaker 4: if you don't know what you're doing, don't go there.
Speaker 4: But insulation's good. Insulation that gets rid of thermal bridging
Speaker 4: is better. I'm not going to compromise on insulation just
Speaker 4: for the sake of someone who doesn't know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: That's my opinion. I appreciate the call, buddy, all the best.
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty ten minutes away from
Speaker 4: seven back in a mow.
Speaker 1: Doing of the house sorting the guard and asked Pete
Speaker 1: for a hand. The resident builder with Peter wolfcap call
Speaker 1: oh eight hundred used dogs'd be interesting.
Speaker 4: Text as well. It's come through. Hi there, I've got
Speaker 4: a twenty year old concrete tile roof that's been sprayed
Speaker 4: for moss removal. Worked very well, the pointing and the
Speaker 4: tiles are in good condition. Now the company recommends a
Speaker 4: silicon spray to seal the tiles and then repeat the
Speaker 4: silicon every second year. Is the silicon a good idea?
Speaker 4: I was advised it's quite caustic to galvanized gutters, thank
Speaker 4: you very much from Shane. So I had a quick
Speaker 4: little google of that in terms of the impact of
Speaker 4: silicon on galvanizing, and there is the potential for it to,
Speaker 4: in what I'm reading, speed up the process of corrosion.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, hang on, like, anytime you do galvanized
Speaker 4: spouting and that sort of thing, if you're joining it
Speaker 4: and doing flashings, you put a bait of silicon through
Speaker 4: the join. I don't know whether it's of such significance
Speaker 4: that it would really impact on the overall lifespan of
Speaker 4: the galvanized gutters. You could always ensure that when they
Speaker 4: do the silicon spray that perhaps they mask the gutters
Speaker 4: off so that they're not filling them up with silicon spray,
Speaker 4: and certainly ceiling the roof tiles is a good idea
Speaker 4: to prevent build up. Whether or not you need to
Speaker 4: do it every two years, I'm not so sure to
Speaker 4: be fair, but go on you for looking after the roof.
Speaker 4: It's really important. Kathy, Good morning, Good morning morning.
Speaker 7: Indeed, I have just got a quick quin. You actually
Speaker 7: mentioned this. It's about sense paint versus staining better, actually
Speaker 7: mention this probably a few weeks ago, and I just
Speaker 7: caught the tail end of it. What is the best
Speaker 7: thing the sense painte versus staining? And I think, right,
Speaker 7: I better ask one of the experts, which is you?
Speaker 7: So please can I have your opinion?
Speaker 4: Well, there seems to be a difference of opinion. No
Speaker 4: surprises there. So if my attitude had kind of been
Speaker 4: if it's you know, new timber, or it's older timber
Speaker 4: that's never been painted or sealed, it's never had any
Speaker 4: application over it, then I would often say, well, why
Speaker 4: wouldn't you just use a stain because it's easier to
Speaker 4: maintain over time, it's probably a little bit easier to
Speaker 4: apply in the sense that it's you know, you're just
Speaker 4: using that product, and maybe two coats to get decent coverage.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then I was talking to of all people, Bryce McDermott,
Speaker 4: who's going to join us in about thirty five minutes,
Speaker 4: and he was like, oh, no, I'd paint it because
Speaker 4: it gives more of a coating and it will not
Speaker 4: necessarily last longer, but it will. It will build up.
Speaker 4: It will give you more protection over time because you've
Speaker 4: got a painted surface. And look, to be fair, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at a project that I did, so old fencing, right,
Speaker 4: like forty year old fencing had that red stain that
Speaker 4: we used to have years and years ago that had
Speaker 4: all worn away almost and I got my guys to
Speaker 4: just spray it with paint, right and I and that's
Speaker 4: probably seven or eight years ago. I was back there
Speaker 4: the other day looking at it. The paint's actually still
Speaker 4: in really good condition. So I'm going to hedge my
Speaker 4: bets and say, actually, either of them will work. It
Speaker 4: might just come down to personal preference, but it seems
Speaker 4: like the painting is at least as durable and long
Speaker 4: live as the staining is, so there's there's not a
Speaker 4: lot between the two, seemingly, so sorry to be sitting
Speaker 4: on the fence pardon the pun, but that that's kind
Speaker 4: of where we land with that one, right HEO. We're
Speaker 4: back after news, sport and weather, and our painting expert
Speaker 4: is coming along. So text through your painting questions here
Speaker 4: at News Talk SEDB back after the.
Speaker 1: News, whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or
Speaker 1: wondering how to fix that hole in the wall. Give
Speaker 1: the Peter wolf Gafa call on the resident builder on
Speaker 1: News Talks ed B.
Speaker 4: Yeah, News Talks. He'd be very good morning, welcome back
Speaker 4: to the show. It is just coming up six and
Speaker 4: a half minutes after seven. At around seven point thirty
Speaker 4: this morning, we will have our painting expert, which is
Speaker 4: Bryce McDermott from Razine Color Shops. He's going to be available,
Speaker 4: so starting to get some good look to be fair
Speaker 4: trickier the better in terms of the painting questions, right, So,
Speaker 4: so don't hold back. If you've got a terrible job,
Speaker 4: or an incredibly tricky job, or you're completely lost, then
Speaker 4: send us a text. Well we'll see if we can
Speaker 4: sort that. So Bryce will be joining us at around
Speaker 4: seven thirty and after eight o'clock, which is about an
Speaker 4: hour bit away in the studio. Actually which would be
Speaker 4: great is Charlotte McEwan from One Tree Hill College. If
Speaker 4: you happen to see it was on the One News
Speaker 4: on Monday evening. It was on the Breakfast Show on Monday.
Speaker 4: The reporter came out to One Tree Hill College and
Speaker 4: had a look around a completely refurbished three bedroom home
Speaker 4: which had been salvaged effectively from the Eastern Busway project,
Speaker 4: which is in Auckland. There's a big infrastructure infrastructure, big
Speaker 4: public transport project to extend the busway from pukerong A
Speaker 4: town center through to Botany and that meant taking away
Speaker 4: quite a number of houses. It would have been in
Speaker 4: the fifty sixty houses removed, and some of those houses,
Speaker 4: instead of just being demolished or taken away as is,
Speaker 4: one of them was picked up taken through to One
Speaker 4: Tree Hill College and then the students in conjunction with
Speaker 4: some license building practitioners and the tremendous support of a
Speaker 4: number of companies. That was actually really impressive to see
Speaker 4: the number of local businesses that stepped up, whether it
Speaker 4: was supplying insulation or Green Gorilla providing bins. I saw
Speaker 4: Steeple Ultron had put in a heat pump hot water system,
Speaker 4: there was new roofing, there was new joinery, there was carpet,
Speaker 4: there was tiles, there was paint, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 4: all seemingly donated by local businesses, which is fantastic. And
Speaker 4: then the students, over the course of less than a year,
Speaker 4: refurbished the house and the house is now available for sale.
Speaker 4: It's online through the local barf and Thompson Agency. I'm
Speaker 4: sure it's on trade me as well, and you can
Speaker 4: buy it. It's completely done to a very high standard
Speaker 4: and you could literally truck it off, drop it down
Speaker 4: on your place and move in. It's fantastic and that's
Speaker 4: cool in itself, But for me, what really struck me,
Speaker 4: and I think most of the people who were at
Speaker 4: the opening on Monday, was the impact it's had on
Speaker 4: the students themselves. So in terms of an introduction to
Speaker 4: trade training, I spent a little bit of time talking
Speaker 4: to a young fellow who'd been involved in the demolition
Speaker 4: and the insulation, and it's an insight into the trades
Speaker 4: to some degrees. The challenge with the trades now in
Speaker 4: terms of getting young people into it is they may
Speaker 4: not get the experience right, so you know, growing up
Speaker 4: like I grew up, Dad had a business. I worked
Speaker 4: in the factory as a kid, I worked for local builders,
Speaker 4: that sort of thing. There was the opportunity to have
Speaker 4: that exposure to what the trades were about, in the
Speaker 4: variety of trades. So for some of the young people
Speaker 4: that I spoke with, what seemed to be quite insightful
Speaker 4: for them was the opportunity maybe to work alongside the
Speaker 4: tyler or the stopper, or the painter, or the window
Speaker 4: installer or the kitchen installer. And that's what this program
Speaker 4: does for those students. So Charlotte from One Tree Hill
Speaker 4: College is going to come in and we're going to
Speaker 4: have a chat shortly and just after eight o'clock about that.
Speaker 4: Really looking forward to that, which also means, folks that
Speaker 4: you've got basically from now three to eight o'clock to
Speaker 4: ask you DIY question, So get into it. Oh, eight
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number. I just
Speaker 4: want to deal with this one too. The text that's
Speaker 4: come through from Malcolm Pete. I'm wanting to attach a
Speaker 4: folding clothes line to the wall of our house. It
Speaker 4: is a fiber cement presumably fix on batons I'm trying
Speaker 4: to find the studs behind the sheeting to affix a
Speaker 4: horizontal board and then attach the clothesline. The stud finder
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to work on the substrate. Tapping and checking
Speaker 4: with a small drill hasn't helped, presumably because the batons
Speaker 4: mean I don't hasn't helped, presumably because the batons mean
Speaker 4: I don't need to use a long drill to hit
Speaker 4: the stud which I'm reluctant to do by then putting
Speaker 4: lots of holes in the wall. So suggestions, please, Look, Malcolm,
Speaker 4: I think you've identified something that's a genuine issue worth
Speaker 4: this type of construction. Well, this type of cladding, right is,
Speaker 4: if you're going to do a penetration through it later on,
Speaker 4: how do you ensure that that doesn't contribute to leaking
Speaker 4: and potential decay to the building over time? And if
Speaker 4: it's a folding clothes line, so it's it's probably two
Speaker 4: brackets separated by about one and a half meters, typically
Speaker 4: fixed in but of course you can't change the spacing
Speaker 4: of those brackets. It's fixed by the type of folding
Speaker 4: clothes line you've got. So your idea is to fix
Speaker 4: a board to the wall and then fix the brackets
Speaker 4: of the folding clothes line where you can then adjust
Speaker 4: that and fix them on there. I look to be fair,
Speaker 4: My preference would be find another alternative, like do a
Speaker 4: different type of clothes line to a pullout line. Ideally
Speaker 4: do one that doesn't actually have to be fixed to
Speaker 4: the house at all. If you do, if this is
Speaker 4: your only alter the challenge with putting a board against
Speaker 4: the house, as you're effectively creating a dam, so water
Speaker 4: is going to get trapped between the exterior cladding and
Speaker 4: the back of the board. It'll sit there, It'll potentially
Speaker 4: find its way through the fixings that you've put in
Speaker 4: and migrate. Moisture will migrate along those fixings and into
Speaker 4: the building fabric. Not a good thing. So if you
Speaker 4: were going to do that, you'd want to make sure
Speaker 4: that there's a drainage gap between the exterior cladding and
Speaker 4: the back of the board, So maybe use something like
Speaker 4: a six B two and eight but two. Make sure
Speaker 4: that you've got an EDPM washer there so that there's
Speaker 4: the EDPM washer sells the penetration and the fact that
Speaker 4: it's packed off the wall allows for drainage and ventilation
Speaker 4: in order to find the studs work from the inside out.
Speaker 4: So go inside, use your stud meter on the inside,
Speaker 4: have a reference point like a window measure along from
Speaker 4: the window, find the studs, transfer that measurement to the outside.
Speaker 4: You should be okay. But again, if at all possible,
Speaker 4: I would avoid putting penetrations after the build into into
Speaker 4: that type of clouding would be my recommendation. I eight
Speaker 4: hundred eighty ten eighty. I know that was a really
Speaker 4: lengthy dissertation on these types of cloudings, but the number
Speaker 4: of times that either I've been and other professionals who
Speaker 4: work in the space have been to houses where people
Speaker 4: have have fixed, you know, washing lines et cetera, et
Speaker 4: cetera through the cladding without detailing it well, and then
Speaker 4: there's basically you're creating leaks right drilling holes in your
Speaker 4: cladding not sealing it properly, and it's going to leak.
Speaker 4: So don't do that. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 4: is the number to call Ellen. Very good morning to you.
Speaker 8: Good morning crazy to me.
Speaker 4: They're not pad Actually talk to me about scaffle planks.
Speaker 4: I quite like scaffole planks.
Speaker 6: Go for it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I bought two new scaffold planks right, laminade apply,
Speaker 12: they got to all restriction general there, all of gaff
Speaker 12: on the side of them, yep, And they are so smooth.
Speaker 13: I just don't like standing on them.
Speaker 8: I always stand on a rough so on yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: twelve or two. Yeah, Well, I'm.
Speaker 4: Kind of chuckling because I was doing a job last
Speaker 4: week where I had to set up just very low
Speaker 4: scaffolding right, you know, on top of sawhorses and the
Speaker 4: second runing of the ladder, just to work on facier
Speaker 4: and saft and spouting. And I've got a bunch of
Speaker 4: laminated scaffold planks as well, but mine are of such
Speaker 4: a vintage that they might have been smooth once, but
Speaker 4: they certainly aren't anymore. So I get that sort of
Speaker 4: slip resistance type thing. Look, if you left them out
Speaker 4: in the sun for about a week, they'd probably change complexion.
Speaker 13: Yeah yeah, what about the rain?
Speaker 4: Look, you know, like I store mine under the house.
Speaker 4: I like to keep them out of the rain and
Speaker 4: keep them dry. But inevitably, when I do use them,
Speaker 4: if it's going to rain, well they're going to get wet, right,
Speaker 4: and and so they will weather and age with that.
Speaker 13: I mean, look.
Speaker 4: I probably wouldn't I think that. I've never I hear
Speaker 4: what you're saying about that, But surely it would only
Speaker 4: be an actual concern if you've if you've got them,
Speaker 4: they're brand new, and it rains and then you're you're
Speaker 4: on them straight away after its rain. If they're dry,
Speaker 4: I don't think they'd have much. They wouldn't be that
Speaker 4: slippery if they're just dry, are they They're very smart,
Speaker 4: they're very smooth, but that shouldn't necessarily make them slippery.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's still timber, right, There's there's still it's
Speaker 4: still fibrous. There's still little undulations in the in the
Speaker 4: timber and that sort of thing. If you're wearing decent
Speaker 4: quality Funny, I was having a long term talk with
Speaker 4: a nurse at the accident and emergency the other day.
Speaker 4: That's a whole other story about people working and crocs.
Speaker 4: So you know, as long as you're not wearing old
Speaker 4: jandles or crops or something like that, you've got a
Speaker 4: pair of decent shoes on or decent boots and you're
Speaker 4: not working in the rain. Yeah, I don't know whether
Speaker 4: i'd paint them. Saying that when I packed mine away
Speaker 4: the other day, I painted the ends just like fifty
Speaker 4: mil I just I've finished painting. I had some paint
Speaker 4: left in the pot and that sort of thing, and
Speaker 4: I quickly whipped around the ends. That's more as a
Speaker 4: visual queue to go. That's the end of the board right,
Speaker 4: already painted. Ah okay, oh, that's brilliant. I hear what
Speaker 4: you're saying. I just think that I look to be fair.
Speaker 4: I would have thought that painting it, and if you
Speaker 4: paint it and you don't put any sort of grit
Speaker 4: in it, it will be even slipperer than just the timber.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, but hey, look, I hear what you're saying,
Speaker 4: and I'm not dismissive of it, but I'd just be
Speaker 4: a little bit cautious about painting them, and then you
Speaker 4: might that they're more slippery.
Speaker 8: I usually wear crops.
Speaker 4: It looked just between you and I. I was sitting
Speaker 4: there and they're going through a medical record and then
Speaker 4: she goes, oh, I, hey two thousand and seeveneen or something.
Speaker 4: You came in because you again wearing crocs, old ones.
Speaker 4: They were quite slippery. And I went outside on the
Speaker 4: wet front stairs, slipped over and crashed down onto the
Speaker 4: stairs right and had to go and have someone look
Speaker 4: at my back afterwards and that sort of thing. And
Speaker 4: so while she's fixing mother buts and pieces, she's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I see that you wear crocs when you're working outside.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, jee because it's in my medical records. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't to be fair. I try. Look, I still
Speaker 4: wear crocs, but I don't wear them when I'm working anymore. Brilliant,
Speaker 4: all right, but you look after yourself, all right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you'll be good. Yeah, put some boots that stay away
Speaker 4: from the rain. You'll be fine. All of this you allen? Oh,
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?
Speaker 4: Quick text as well? Pete, I've got a quick question. Indeed,
Speaker 4: who do I call to fix a broken locking lever
Speaker 4: on an aluminium bifold joinery from Lee? Look, there's a
Speaker 4: number of sort of aluminium joinery repair companies out there.
Speaker 4: It seems that the one with the widest reach is
Speaker 4: probably Exceed. You'll find them online and it'll be fine.
Speaker 4: Some bill has just text for old meat needs to
Speaker 4: keep his planks level. Yeah, I mean most of us do,
Speaker 4: don't we. I mean there's always a little bit of undulation.
Speaker 4: I had sort of like three planks in a row
Speaker 4: set up sort of you know, sawhorse, sawhorse, a frame
Speaker 4: and then planks in between, so I could move along
Speaker 4: the entire sort of six meter length of the side
Speaker 4: of the garage to do nog it out, extend the rafters,
Speaker 4: put in some nogging for the safit, hang the facial board,
Speaker 4: put the safita in, do all the painting, hang the spouting.
Speaker 4: Having good access is just so critical, like having a decent, stable,
Speaker 4: safe platform to work on. And I'm talking, you know,
Speaker 4: six hundred off the ground or something like that, right,
Speaker 4: so we're not way up in the air or anything
Speaker 4: like that, but safe, practical and well set up high
Speaker 4: taccess is absolutely critical. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 4: eighty is the number to cour And another quick text
Speaker 4: as well, Hey Pete, you mentioned earbuds or something about
Speaker 4: hearing protection ear bloods. Tell you what Tomorrow I'm doing
Speaker 4: an interview and we'll play that perhaps next Sunday on
Speaker 4: the show with an associate professor of audiology to talk
Speaker 4: about the efficacy of noise canceling earbuds in terms of
Speaker 4: hearing protection. It's been a little bit of a bugbear
Speaker 4: of mine I'm not convinced that you're getting the protection
Speaker 4: you need in a high noise environment like a construction
Speaker 4: site or while using power tools. I'll be really honest,
Speaker 4: I don't think that. I can't see how the noise
Speaker 4: canceling headphones prevent that initial impact of noise on your hearing.
Speaker 4: So I've never used them. I'm but old fashioned. I
Speaker 4: just go for hearing protection as an ear mus I've
Speaker 4: got some that have, you know, bluetooth and speakers in them,
Speaker 4: which I keep at a low level. I don't need
Speaker 4: to be blasting music into my ears while I'm working,
Speaker 4: but it is a nice distraction. I can listen to
Speaker 4: the radio, I can listen to podcasts, I can listen
Speaker 4: to music while I'm working away. But my preference has
Speaker 4: always been for that. So anyway, we're going to get
Speaker 4: some proper advice from an associate professor of audiology on
Speaker 4: that particular issue next week on the show, So looking
Speaker 4: forward to that. Twenty minutes twenty and a half after seven,
Speaker 4: we'll take a short break. We'll talk to Eric in
Speaker 4: a moment. If you'd like to join us, eight hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call, and
Speaker 4: if you've got any painting questions for Bryce, our painting
Speaker 4: expert from Razine. He'll be available from about seven thirty
Speaker 4: this morning, so text them through as well. Like I say,
Speaker 4: the trickier the better for Bryce, we need to keep
Speaker 4: challenging him. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the
Speaker 4: number to call. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter wolfcaf the resident builder
Speaker 1: on NEWSTALKSB.
Speaker 4: I love this text from Steve. This is a pearler.
Speaker 4: You said your old fashioned. Doesn't that mean you don't
Speaker 4: use any hearing protection? Haha, very droll, very funny, Thank you, Steve. No, look,
Speaker 4: to be fair, it's actually a bit personal for me
Speaker 4: in the sense that my dad had a metal work business.
Speaker 4: We made chairs and boat anchors, metal ones, the Coeny
Speaker 4: boat anchors if you remember those back in the day,
Speaker 4: and that sort of mid century metal furniture that got
Speaker 4: the cane weaving around it. So that was that was
Speaker 4: our business, our family business, and so Dad would be
Speaker 4: in the factory five six, seven days a week, you know,
Speaker 4: straightening steel, banging things, cutting stuff and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it. Really did I see, and we're hearing protection.
Speaker 4: And you know, we're talking shivers late sixties, seventies through
Speaker 4: to the mid eighties before we retired, and so the
Speaker 4: ear muffs were there, but they were hanging on the
Speaker 4: wall right And later in life is hearing declined and
Speaker 4: it became harder and harder to watch the TV without
Speaker 4: having it on sound setting seventy and to be really honest,
Speaker 4: you know, disengaged and not able to be part of conversations.
Speaker 4: The hearing losses has a real impact right on people's
Speaker 4: lives going forward, and I think that stuck with me
Speaker 4: and so ever since I started building, I've tried to
Speaker 4: be as diligent as I can be around protecting my hearing.
Speaker 4: You you know, you get one chance at looking after them,
Speaker 4: and that's why I get, you know, have such a
Speaker 4: concern around young people on sites, you know, maybe using
Speaker 4: and potentially there's some benefit to them, I'm just not
Speaker 4: convinced about their efficacy. Tracking down the associate professor of
Speaker 4: Audeology from Worklala Medical School, who I'm going to interview tomorrow,
Speaker 4: which would be great, and we'll have that interview for
Speaker 4: you next week. Remember Bryce's along shortly, so if you've
Speaker 4: got any painting questions, flick them through, and then we'll
Speaker 4: carry on with the building talkback through to eight o'clock,
Speaker 4: and then after eight o'clock, Charlotte mchow And, who is
Speaker 4: teacher in charge of trades, isn't that a fantastic title
Speaker 4: at one Tree Hill College, is going to join me.
Speaker 4: She's actually coming into the studio. We talk about the
Speaker 4: project and talk about the impact on young people in
Speaker 4: terms of the opportunity to engage with the trades, see
Speaker 4: what's available, and maybe start their journey into the trades
Speaker 4: from school, which I think is a fantastic idea. Eric,
Speaker 4: good morning, Good morning, Peter, how are you?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Good good?
Speaker 13: I let my LBP laps when I retired, so I'm
Speaker 13: not quite up with a play. Sure, some friends of
Speaker 13: ours wander at wooden joinery out of a weather board
Speaker 13: house and replace it with aluminum joinery. Would that require
Speaker 13: a hermits? Because there's nothing structural involved, but there'd be
Speaker 13: head flashings involved, So would that require a permit?
Speaker 4: Great question? I would incline to saying no, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: so as so, typically within Schedule one of the Building Act,
Speaker 4: it describes work that can be done, particularly maintenance work
Speaker 4: without necessarily requiring a consent. So, for example, they removed
Speaker 4: a A are they looking? Because there's a couple of ways
Speaker 4: of doing this. One is to if it's let's say,
Speaker 4: you know, nineteen fifties nineteen sixties joinery, you either pull
Speaker 4: the entire frame out and replace it, or in some cases,
Speaker 4: you leave the frame in, which means leaving the sill
Speaker 4: and the head flashing in, remove all of the sashes
Speaker 4: and either fixed sashes or opening sashes and a mullion
Speaker 4: and inserting a replacement joinery component into that opening.
Speaker 13: Do you know they want to pull it out because
Speaker 13: the storms.
Speaker 14: Have gone Yeah, okay, yep, I still your BP. Still
Speaker 14: I think there's an advantage to having the work done
Speaker 14: by an LBP, and if they're not changing the width
Speaker 14: of any of the openings. So if they were to say,
Speaker 14: oh that, you know, meet a wide window, while we've
Speaker 14: got the chance, we're going to knock out a bit
Speaker 14: of framing and extend it to one point two meters,
Speaker 14: that would trigger a requirement for a building consent. But
Speaker 14: I think replacing the joinery effectively from timber to aluminium
Speaker 14: wouldn't require a building consent. I do suggest that they
Speaker 14: have someone detail the type of work that they've done
Speaker 14: and how they've sorted out flashings and so on. But no,
Speaker 14: I don't think they need a building consent for that.
Speaker 13: Okay, cool? And one quick question when you have painting
Speaker 13: gouy on. I have a carboard with a chillder in
Speaker 13: it where I process sheep and deer and some pieces,
Speaker 13: and I've been doing it in the same car for
Speaker 13: four years now. And I want to paint a floor.
Speaker 13: What what would I treat the concrete with? Because obviously
Speaker 13: there's blood. What would I what would the concrete with
Speaker 13: burst because I want to paint it with whether I
Speaker 13: think it's soul power or would like a concrete under paint.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, I would probably use like an exterior house
Speaker 4: wash would probably do it right because it's designed to
Speaker 4: get rid of moss and mold and those sorts of things.
Speaker 4: So look, I'll talk to Bryce about it, but I
Speaker 4: think a proprietary house wash would be enough. You could
Speaker 4: always use like spirait assaults, you know in the old language,
Speaker 4: if you wanted to do it over the concrete and
Speaker 4: then a sealer and then a top coat. There's also
Speaker 4: you know, I'm doing a project with us in a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks time a new one from Razine Construction
Speaker 4: Systems which is a micro cement, so you could do
Speaker 4: like a thin render over the entire surface. Still want
Speaker 4: to do the preparation, but if you just want to
Speaker 4: paint it, I think proprietary house wash product and then
Speaker 4: straight over with your top coats. But stay listening and
Speaker 4: I'll ask Bryce quickly as well.
Speaker 6: Thanks you.
Speaker 4: How all all of this take care all this year,
Speaker 4: take care and just on the joinery. So I was
Speaker 4: on a project earlier this week where some building surveyors
Speaker 4: have been engaged by the owner of the property. So
Speaker 4: Building Surveys is and members of the New Zealand of
Speaker 4: Building Surveys and they're registered building Surveys as well to
Speaker 4: determine a whether the cladding will perform. And one of
Speaker 4: the things we were talking about is this is a
Speaker 4: sort of nineteen fifties house that had the timber joinery
Speaker 4: removed sometime probably in the late nineteen nineties early two
Speaker 4: thousands and replaced with aluminium jowinery. Window size is still
Speaker 4: the same, so the opening hasn't changed, the cladding hasn't changed. Obviously,
Speaker 4: the head flashing detail is slightly different and the opinion
Speaker 4: was very much that work didn't require a building consent
Speaker 4: at the time. Certainly doesn't require a building consent now so,
Speaker 4: but always pays to ask. Eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 4: eighty will take a short break, and then we've got
Speaker 4: Bryce McDermott, our painting expert from Razine. He'll be joining
Speaker 4: us in a moment. I think we might have time
Speaker 4: for one or two other texts questions for him, so
Speaker 4: flick him through now.
Speaker 1: Bryce up next, helping you get those DIY projects done right.
Speaker 1: The resident builder with peta wolf care call.
Speaker 4: And a very very good morning to our painting expert
Speaker 4: from Razine. Bryce McDermott, Good morning.
Speaker 6: Sir, Good morning, just listening to that man with the
Speaker 6: with the sort of semi abatoire.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some some fairly deep cleaning products will be needed
Speaker 4: there to to remove what sounds like years of blood
Speaker 4: and gats.
Speaker 6: Basically, yeah, that's body sets stuff. Yeah, just you know,
Speaker 6: not to put to fine a point on it, but
Speaker 6: you know it would need some fairly serious cleaning to
Speaker 6: get the stuff out of the pause of the concrete. Yes,
Speaker 6: and maybe even a diamond grinding.
Speaker 4: Ah. You know someone mentioned I think you and I
Speaker 4: have talked about this over the years. So like doing
Speaker 4: a garage floor, maybe you've got an older garage floor,
Speaker 4: that's okay, and then you decide, actually, I want to
Speaker 4: do a paint surface over it. And lots of people
Speaker 4: have said give it a quick diamond grind, which if
Speaker 4: you've got the right equipment, most people could do themselves,
Speaker 4: or you could get someone in to do it. And
Speaker 4: then what's the benefit of that, just removing that slightly
Speaker 4: textured surface and giving you a smoother surface to work with.
Speaker 6: Well, it's sort of basically the idea is to get
Speaker 6: it to the feel of one hundred right, okay, And
Speaker 6: it also takes water out of the equation as well. Yes,
Speaker 6: you know, if you're using acid etching or something like that,
Speaker 6: you know there's a lot of water involved, so you've
Speaker 6: got to wait till the floor drives out completely. Yes,
Speaker 6: dimond grinding takes that out of the equation, right, knocks.
Speaker 4: Off that surface. Okay, Well, that's that's great, That's that's
Speaker 4: good advice for him. Hey, now, just before we rip
Speaker 4: into the texts, I know there's there's an old phrase
Speaker 4: around you know, tradesman never blames as tools in terms
Speaker 4: of getting a good finish. But let's be realistic, having
Speaker 4: good gear makes a big difference in terms of the finish, right,
Speaker 4: So if you've got a rubbish brush that you haven't
Speaker 4: washed and it's it's more solid than it is flexible
Speaker 4: and those sorts of things, there's no way that you're
Speaker 4: going to get a decent finish if you're using rubbish gear.
Speaker 6: You know, I mean, you spend good money on you know,
Speaker 6: on paying to mix a good finish, you know, So
Speaker 6: it doesn't hurt to have good tools to do the job.
Speaker 6: I mean applose to basically any trade. Sure, you know,
Speaker 6: if you've got the right tools that you look after them,
Speaker 6: you will get the finish that you expect. Yes, save
Speaker 6: disappointment in the long run. You know, buy a good roll,
Speaker 6: a sleep, buy a good brush. You know they'll last
Speaker 6: you for years.
Speaker 4: But the last thing for years is really about how
Speaker 4: you look after them as well, in terms of cleaning them,
Speaker 4: drying them, you know that that sort of thing. And
Speaker 4: I've just been doing some stuff and you know, I'm
Speaker 4: using brushes and that that I've had for a couple
Speaker 4: of years. But I try and when I finished with
Speaker 4: the painting, clean the brush thoroughly, I hang it up,
Speaker 4: let it dry out, and okay, it might be a
Speaker 4: little bit stiff when I grab it a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks later. But you know, a quick sort of brush
Speaker 4: over a surface or hit it with a wire brush
Speaker 4: and that sort of thing, and it's absolutely fine. But
Speaker 4: cleaning them well is really important.
Speaker 6: And you know, then then smooths them out so that
Speaker 6: you know, the brush looks like it's come out of
Speaker 6: the packet, right, yes, you know, keep those filaments nice
Speaker 6: and straight and everything like that and you'll have a good,
Speaker 6: decent brush that will last you a long time. It's worthy.
Speaker 4: So throwing a brush in a bucket of water or
Speaker 4: in a pot of water and then letting the bristles
Speaker 4: ben ninety degrees, that's not good.
Speaker 6: Well, it will help you, budt No, but I'm seriously, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 6: If you see a packet of roller sleeves at the
Speaker 6: local the local ban.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, and they're they're five for a dollar, then.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think twice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know you're not going.
Speaker 6: You know, it's it's it's a horrible thing. I've a
Speaker 6: couple of times where people have you know, spent a
Speaker 6: lot of money on painting them the roller sleeves, and
Speaker 6: they going, well, why is it a crep?
Speaker 4: Excuse my language, I hear what you're saying. I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: buying quality gear and looking after it. No one's even
Speaker 4: disappointed by that, right, let's get amongst some of these
Speaker 4: painting questions. So, Shane, a nineteen seventies unit on the
Speaker 4: second floor, the outside set of concrete stairs has a
Speaker 4: rusty wrought iron handrail. I mean, you and I got
Speaker 4: that picture in our minds straight away, after the sandpaper
Speaker 4: and spraying with a bit of rust off? What paint
Speaker 4: should I apply to control any further rust? And what
Speaker 4: type of top coat? Please?
Speaker 6: Oh? Well, it depends how much rust has then got
Speaker 6: off and the metals exposed.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 6: You know that's a standing to remove rustle or you know,
Speaker 6: a wire bust. Yes, to get it back to nice
Speaker 6: clean it's probably very important. And then you know, if
Speaker 6: you want something that's quick and you know, and I
Speaker 6: would consider using a product of ours called GP Primer, right,
Speaker 6: but make sure you get it back to clean metal
Speaker 6: and prime exactly the same day, because if you live
Speaker 6: it over again, I'll have to start all over again. Yep.
Speaker 6: So you know GP primer, very very sick good primer
Speaker 6: just for the DIY sort of project, and then you
Speaker 6: can proceed with any top cut over the top of
Speaker 6: that that you'd like. You could do an enamel top coat,
Speaker 6: but I would leave the prime to drive for a
Speaker 6: few days before you do that. Yes, but you can
Speaker 6: use water born coatings as well. You know, something like
Speaker 6: a namecrel or lust crawl would do the job quite happily.
Speaker 4: Okay, brilliant, Thank you very much, morning, Pete. Can you
Speaker 4: ask Bryce what is the best way to repaint an
Speaker 4: error an aluminium garage tilted door? So not we don't
Speaker 4: have the flexibility issues you know over roller door. So
Speaker 4: aluminium tilts door. Let's assume that it's never been painted,
Speaker 4: so it's beer aluminium and it's probably twenty or thirty
Speaker 4: years old.
Speaker 6: Again, you know, you'd have to clean it down like
Speaker 6: we have a product called roof and Metal wash that
Speaker 6: would we'll get that surface ready for painting and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. You remove all the grease and then thing
Speaker 6: out of the tracks on the side of the door. Yep.
Speaker 6: And if it is bear aluminion, then GP primer again
Speaker 6: would be a good base coat for that, and then
Speaker 6: you could put something like water board enamel or even
Speaker 6: our roof paint summit roof, Yes, would go quite happily
Speaker 6: on that surface as well.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the summit roof paint, that's good. This one's
Speaker 4: going to have Mike from razine blower's top. But this
Speaker 4: is a great question. You'll understand the chuckle in this, Hey,
Speaker 4: Pete and the razine man. That's you, Bryce. I've got
Speaker 4: a house that's ten years old rock cot plastic exterior
Speaker 4: originally painted with Razine X two hundred when repainting. Should
Speaker 4: I use X two hundred again? Or is there a
Speaker 4: better product? And when do I? And do I need
Speaker 4: one or two?
Speaker 6: Brian?
Speaker 4: Well, even I can say, Brian, there is no better
Speaker 4: product than razine X two hundred.
Speaker 6: So I sure ever ever had an issue with X
Speaker 6: two hundred. Yeah, and I've been with razine for thty
Speaker 6: odd years. Yep, it's a great product. Just you know,
Speaker 6: give it a good if its sound, give it a
Speaker 6: good wash down, yes, house wash and paint prep spot
Speaker 6: so many bear areas for shoe seal and then recoate
Speaker 6: with X two hundreds and you won't have to worry
Speaker 6: about it.
Speaker 4: So typically, in terms of the recoat. Let's say it's
Speaker 4: been seven eight years since the other coat was applied.
Speaker 4: One coat or two coats or.
Speaker 6: Do two too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, absolutely, while you're up there for sure right
Speaker 4: talking about washing houses, which I think is a great idea.
Speaker 4: We've got a new house with some bricks, some exotic
Speaker 4: exotech for sad panels, hardy sheets, and cedar so real
Speaker 4: mixture as the exterior cladding. What do we use for
Speaker 4: we want to wash the house down annually? And I
Speaker 4: think mark for the first thing fantastic that you want
Speaker 4: to wash it down annually, because that's what we all
Speaker 4: should be doing. So this is a real mixture, isn't it?
Speaker 4: Brick Exotech, hard ease and some cedar exterior house wash.
Speaker 4: What have you guys got.
Speaker 6: House washing paint prep? Okay, yes, or even there were
Speaker 6: even just we've got a product called deep clean. You
Speaker 6: can just give that a good hose down, Yes, apply
Speaker 6: that with an applicator and let that sit for a
Speaker 6: while and then just give it a wash down with
Speaker 6: clean water. But house washing paint prep, you know you
Speaker 6: can use that with a soft bristle broom. Yes, give
Speaker 6: it a good scrub down. It'll do all those surfaces
Speaker 6: for you. Yeah, fantastic, it'll just take all the chalking
Speaker 6: and anything else that might be there away.
Speaker 4: Yep, thankually, here's a good one too. Please ask Bryce.
Speaker 4: Does paint go off? We've got a leftover paint sitting
Speaker 4: in our shed for eight years after we moved into
Speaker 4: the house. That's from Ann. Does paint go off?
Speaker 6: It does? Yeah, I mean, you know, after a while,
Speaker 6: if it hasn't been stored correctly, or if you air
Speaker 6: has actually got into the bucket or something like that,
Speaker 6: it'll you'll probably find it's got a big skin on
Speaker 6: the top of it, any big chunks around and stuff
Speaker 6: like that. If you're worried about it, just bring the
Speaker 6: bucket back into one of our color shops and we'll
Speaker 6: recycle it for you. Yes, by yourself a new bucket.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, eight years is a long time. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if I should say this on air, but I
Speaker 4: will anyway. So we painted our place as I'm only
Speaker 4: prompted to know this because it's on I wrote the
Speaker 4: date on the tin with sonics in twenty seventeen. Right,
Speaker 4: So stripped the whole house back prime top coated the
Speaker 4: whole whole shebang and of course at the end of
Speaker 4: the job there's always a little bit of paint left
Speaker 4: over it which has sat underneath my work bench. And
Speaker 4: I got that ten lid pail of sonics out the
Speaker 4: other day with twenty seventeen written in my own handwriting
Speaker 4: on the side. Gave it a good stir and a shake,
Speaker 4: and I just I was just doing a little bit
Speaker 4: of patch up and it was still okay. I think
Speaker 4: I'm lucky, and I certainly won't be using it on
Speaker 4: the main house and all the rest of it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: if you look after it, it's surprising how long it lasts.
Speaker 4: But maybe I'm pushing my luck, aren't in terms.
Speaker 6: Of yeah, well, it just it basically depends on the storage.
Speaker 6: A lot of things come into it, like heat and
Speaker 6: all that. It's in the shed for instance, And yeah,
Speaker 6: it could it could cook it. I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: just check it before you use it, and if you've
Speaker 6: got the slightest worry about it.
Speaker 4: And sometimes it'll smell too, isn't it. If you pull
Speaker 4: the lid off and it smells like rotten eggs, then
Speaker 4: the paint's gone off.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that can happen, right, And just to smelt
Speaker 6: jim stopping compounded.
Speaker 4: That things too high? Heaven doesn't it? Four? Oh sorry,
Speaker 4: Oh that's classic, right, super quick couple of texts. Patches
Speaker 4: of rust appearing on the ridge flashing on a painted
Speaker 4: galvanized iron roof in a coastal area, How to trink
Speaker 4: the rust and what type of preparation before repainting.
Speaker 6: Okay, we'll get yourself something similar to a pot scrubber,
Speaker 6: one of those green sort of synthetic pads that you
Speaker 6: use for scrubbing your pots and pans. There is there
Speaker 6: there are a lot gentler on the roof surface and
Speaker 6: a wire brush. Ye use that roof and metal wash
Speaker 6: combined and just remove any loose surface rust or anything
Speaker 6: like that. Back to sound areas and spot prime those
Speaker 6: especially in a marine area or coastal area. Use spy'd
Speaker 6: spot prime those who'd productive our school's arm a zinc
Speaker 6: one tent, which is a zinc rich primer, and then
Speaker 6: depending on the condition of the roof, I would probably
Speaker 6: consider giving it a full cat to go.
Speaker 4: And I was, yeah, okay, perfect, that's great.
Speaker 6: You know, every day before you start, if you're in
Speaker 6: a coastal area, you've got to wash the surface down
Speaker 6: because it will be covered in salt.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and again wash it and get onto the painting.
Speaker 4: It's not like you wash it one weekend and come
Speaker 4: back two three weeks later to do the.
Speaker 6: Paint application basic basically every morning. Yeah, yeah, before the
Speaker 6: sun comes up. Get a quick hose down, get the
Speaker 6: salt off.
Speaker 4: We've done the cleaning. Last one. To finish up with
Speaker 4: some wooden garden trellis. I'd like to paint it white, Kraky,
Speaker 4: what product do you recommend I use? So you know,
Speaker 4: ten leosed timber. Obviously garden trellis going to be outside.
Speaker 4: Just stand the quick drying, a top coat.
Speaker 6: It's nothing special, yeah, you know, no offense, but it's
Speaker 6: just chealous. You know. You know you don't want to
Speaker 6: spend too much time on it, but if you want
Speaker 6: to go the whole hog, then I would. I would
Speaker 6: use an oil based wood prime and a couple of
Speaker 6: coats a lumbersider. Failing that, you know, if it's in
Speaker 6: good condition, you know, no sign of rotting or anything
Speaker 6: like that, then two coats of lumbersider and you might
Speaker 6: want to spray it as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all those nooks and crannies, criky, drive your ma
Speaker 4: wouldn't thank you building.
Speaker 6: That's for sure.
Speaker 4: A lesson in patience and determination. That's what that is.
Speaker 4: All of this, mate, lovely to talk to you today.
Speaker 4: Thanks very much for your advice today and to get
Speaker 4: all the good advice and the right tips and trips
Speaker 4: and the right product. Make sure you talk to the
Speaker 4: experts at Razine Color Shop. It was a great session
Speaker 4: with Bryce this morning. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 4: We can take a couple more calls before the news
Speaker 4: at eight o'clock. After the news at eight o'clock will
Speaker 4: be chatting with Charlotte mceowan from one Tree Hill College.
Speaker 4: This is the school in Auckland that have done the refurbishment.
Speaker 4: I love that sign. Can you hear that in the background.
Speaker 4: So here in the zb MZDME office the Herald not
Speaker 4: too far from us, in the studio and they're doing
Speaker 4: some stuff. They're going to do online content which is
Speaker 4: kind of exciting, and so they're rebuilding part of the
Speaker 4: studio and the builder who's up there is obviously using
Speaker 4: a rotary hammer drill to do some fixings into concrete.
Speaker 4: And I can hear the sound in my headphones very nostalgic.
Speaker 4: Makes me feel like I'm actually on a building site,
Speaker 4: which I kind of am. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten
Speaker 4: eighty gives a call. We'll talk up till eight o'clock.
Speaker 4: Then we're going to talk building and schools and trade
Speaker 4: training with Charlotte mceowan from one Tree Hill College after eight.
Speaker 4: And then of course, as always, we're into the garden
Speaker 4: with a hood coming pass from eight point thirty this morning.
Speaker 4: Back in the month twice god once but maybe called
Speaker 4: Pete first fee Worcab the resident builder news talks, they'd
Speaker 4: be news talks. They'd be we're talking all things building
Speaker 4: actually quick texts that's just come through Pete. I've been
Speaker 4: told off and being told it's illegal to work on
Speaker 4: Sundays as a tyler. How does your guy get away
Speaker 4: from it in the studio. Well, he's not in the studio,
Speaker 4: he's about twenty meters down the corridor, and yes they
Speaker 4: are working. Well, of course you work on a Sunday.
Speaker 4: It's the least disruptive time and commercial is different to residential.
Speaker 4: So look, you as a tyler out there grinding and
Speaker 4: all the rest of it on a Sunday morning, of
Speaker 4: course you're going to get told off. And told to
Speaker 4: go home. But this is slightly different than being in
Speaker 4: the building and the only people are impact there are
Speaker 4: people that already know about it and essentially have given
Speaker 4: their permission too. So that's the other thing. And I
Speaker 4: love this other text that came through. I've always felt,
Speaker 4: says the Texter that a good trades person, a good tradesman,
Speaker 4: will have well maintain tools. So therefore a bad tradesman
Speaker 4: will blame their tools. Very wise, very wise, young Jedi's
Speaker 4: that's quite insightful.
Speaker 15: Ian, Good morning morning, is you better, Peter? My uncle
Speaker 15: and aunt were Tom and Joe and Pedlow who lived
Speaker 15: in Hawk's Bay at Napier there on the hill Brewsters Street.
Speaker 15: He was an old age shore builder between nineteen twenty
Speaker 15: and nineteen twenty and his motto was when I built
Speaker 15: a house, that stayed built.
Speaker 8: It's all his houses.
Speaker 15: Everyone that I spoke to that I knew that Tom
Speaker 15: built a home for claimed that their house survived the earthquake,
Speaker 15: which is impressive, including his own one on the hill
Speaker 15: on Bruces Street.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he.
Speaker 15: Had no leaky rooms in any trouble with his houses.
Speaker 15: He took his time. He owned TG TG Pedlow and
Speaker 15: for a mon roster, not munrows trip anyway to here.
Speaker 15: And he was he was in business basically for close
Speaker 15: to three decades, thirty years, right. So he died of
Speaker 15: nineteen fifty three, far through young, merely ten. When he
Speaker 15: did there's a shawman never really got an arm. He
Speaker 15: was agree with an A grade A grade level builder.
Speaker 4: Look, I think the one thing that that probably has
Speaker 4: stood out to me most in all of the years
Speaker 4: that I've been doing it is quality work always lasts right.
Speaker 4: And I think sometimes whether it's a modern thing or
Speaker 4: it's always been around, there's often a real focus on
Speaker 4: I'm just getting the job done right. So we're working
Speaker 4: on something, we've got this horizon which is kind of
Speaker 4: the end of the day or the end of the project.
Speaker 4: And given that most of what we do as builders
Speaker 4: and as lbps in terms of structure, needs to survive
Speaker 4: for fifty years, but really we should have a much
Speaker 4: longer view than that. You know, we should be thinking
Speaker 4: when we're working on something, is this going to be
Speaker 4: good for seventy five years, one hundred years? I mean
Speaker 4: my house is what about one hundred and twenty years old? Right,
Speaker 4: I'd like to think that the carpenters that worked on
Speaker 4: that back in nineteen oh five thereabouts, I don't know
Speaker 4: the exact date, were whether they had an appreciation or
Speaker 4: could see or sense that their work was going to
Speaker 4: be around one hundred and twenty years later. And if
Speaker 4: you're building a new house today, are you thinking about
Speaker 4: it being there one hundred and twenty years I think
Speaker 4: if you did, you'd probably have quite a different view.
Speaker 1: Back after the news doing of the house, storting the
Speaker 1: Garden asked Pete for a hand the resident builder with
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty news talks, 'vy.
Speaker 4: Your news talks. They'd be welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4: It has just gone six and a half minutes after
Speaker 4: eight on a Sunday morning, crikey, second day of March already,
Speaker 4: So the year has taken along. It's been a great
Speaker 4: show thus far in terms of conversation, great time with Bryce,
Speaker 4: some really good questions there. One of the highlights of
Speaker 4: my week, to be really really honest, was being invited
Speaker 4: to go out to one Tree Hill College, which is
Speaker 4: in sort of central Auckland, and it's a project that
Speaker 4: I've sort of had some insight into for the last
Speaker 4: little while, there were some old houses which are part
Speaker 4: of the development of the busway along the Eastern Corridor
Speaker 4: in Auckland, and instead of the houses being just demolished
Speaker 4: and sent to landfill, some of them were repurposed. One
Speaker 4: of those houses was trucked across to one Tree Hill
Speaker 4: College where the students and staff and professional builders and
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of very generous companies have been engaged
Speaker 4: in refurbishing that building. And so on Monday there was
Speaker 4: kind of the official opening of the building and that
Speaker 4: building is now available for sale. You can have a
Speaker 4: look online find the listing and it's also on the
Speaker 4: Bathet and Thompson website. Which a great project. In the end,
Speaker 4: I know that these projects always need someone drying them,
Speaker 4: and that person is my guest this morning, Charlotte mcchewn.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. So your title is teacher in
Speaker 4: charge of Trade training. What does that mean? Well, thank you, welcome.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you great to be here.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 16: Teacher in charge of training for trades means that I'm
Speaker 16: responsible for one hundred and ten students that we have
Speaker 16: in our Level one, two and three bc ITO program
Speaker 16: at Onetre Hill College and I'm responsible for how they
Speaker 16: get into trade and how they get an apprenticeship.
Speaker 4: So just go into the details of that. This is
Speaker 4: an opportunity for students at the college to start their
Speaker 4: pre trade qualification while still at school and still doing
Speaker 4: other NCAA subjects as well.
Speaker 3: That's correct.
Speaker 16: So at level one and two the students are opting
Speaker 16: to do BCO unit standards as well as the NCAA standards.
Speaker 16: But at level three they actually move into the Trade Academy,
Speaker 16: which means that they fully focus on the beecats BCO
Speaker 16: unit standards, so that they are actually getting a few
Speaker 16: unit standards under their belt before they start their apprenticeship program.
Speaker 16: So they're already doing it online, which is the way
Speaker 16: that BCITO does it. So you've got that platform set
Speaker 16: up and then they can seamlessly move into that as
Speaker 16: we transition them into an apprenticeship.
Speaker 4: Am I right in assuming that prior to having the
Speaker 4: house on site to be able to do some practical work,
Speaker 4: if they did do some practical stuff, it would be
Speaker 4: let's say, in the workshop, right, you know, and so
Speaker 4: we all remember making pencil cases and maybe making a
Speaker 4: sawhorse and that sort of spice. I absolutely, but suddenly
Speaker 4: the students have an opportunity to be effectively on a
Speaker 4: construction site. One of the young men that I spoke with,
Speaker 4: he talked about working on the demolition, so helping strip
Speaker 4: the house out. Then he was heavily involved in the insulation.
Speaker 4: Other students were talking about working alongside the tyler. How
Speaker 4: does it just step me through the process. How does
Speaker 4: it work for your students to be in that dynamic
Speaker 4: environment a real building site.
Speaker 16: Well, we're really fortunate that when we have twenty we
Speaker 16: have twenty students in our trade academy and when they
Speaker 16: come in we're just on a regular class timetable. We
Speaker 16: don't have them all day, so just run it as
Speaker 16: a regular class. They'll come into the workshop. I'll have
Speaker 16: written on the board what we're what we've got going
Speaker 16: on in the house of the builder. We've got a
Speaker 16: licensed builder on site. We'll say, hey, I've got roofing
Speaker 16: here today. I need four people out there with me.
Speaker 16: And I'll say, well, this is what we've got to
Speaker 16: get done on our unit standards work the moment. We're
Speaker 16: building sofas, for example, and I'll say, okay, who wants
Speaker 16: to go out to the house and a couple will
Speaker 16: throw their hands up. They'll move round to the side
Speaker 16: of the workshop, put on their boots and their hivers.
Speaker 3: They'll trot outside.
Speaker 16: To the house which is just just across the way
Speaker 16: and get underway so they can have that one on
Speaker 16: one with the builder and whoever else is on site,
Speaker 16: and then the rest will keep going with their unit
Speaker 16: standard work. But they need to be aware that they
Speaker 16: can't be on the house all the time because I've
Speaker 16: still got to get this other other work done. So
Speaker 16: this get to manage what they're doing. They can stay
Speaker 16: because they're in a trade academy with other trade academy
Speaker 16: teachers if they want to stay, Like Alisha with the
Speaker 16: tiles the other week, she stayed for most of the
Speaker 16: day to be with Tyler Ayas and the teachers are
Speaker 16: able to be flexible with that so that she can
Speaker 16: get that experience of that that's running well. And if
Speaker 16: Tyler's able to stay, great, they can stay with them.
Speaker 16: So there's an opportunity to get these bigger experiences. And
Speaker 16: it's an organic experience. It's not so set in stone,
Speaker 16: and how lucky are we for that?
Speaker 4: And I'm guessing too in terms of trade training, it's
Speaker 4: an insight into the wide variety because typically, if you're
Speaker 4: talking trade training with young people, you're thinking about the
Speaker 4: big trades. Right, I'm going to put carpentry at the top,
Speaker 4: but there's sparkys and plumbers and so on. But now
Speaker 4: do you get the sense that the young people themselves
Speaker 4: get an appreciation of the variety of work that goes
Speaker 4: into a building project and maybe things.
Speaker 16: That they didn't know existed or rules related to the
Speaker 16: building code. So one of the parts of the project
Speaker 16: that we had to work on quite extensively was the
Speaker 16: water proofing. Yes, an island sink in our house, and
Speaker 16: of course we need to work with that one point
Speaker 16: five meter special Yeah, so with this lovely floor by Lovitch,
Speaker 16: we don't want to put anything around here that creates
Speaker 16: the splash zone. So we use the Marpe waterproofing system
Speaker 16: and we water proved the entire living room, dining right
Speaker 16: up the hall so that we.
Speaker 3: Didn't have to do that. And that was obviously a
Speaker 3: huge learning curve for our building, for.
Speaker 16: Myself as an architectural student, but then for our students
Speaker 16: to understand, well, why are we doing this, Why is
Speaker 16: the floor blue, why is it looking like this? And
Speaker 16: the reasons behind that, so then we can reflect back
Speaker 16: to the building code and bring it back to why
Speaker 16: we're all here and what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the things that struck me too was
Speaker 4: that some of the people who had been part of
Speaker 4: the trades academy at the school are now employed and
Speaker 4: employed by companies that have come back to support. So
Speaker 4: I happened to talk to Simon from Woods Glass right,
Speaker 4: and the story seems to be that some young students
Speaker 4: who was students who are part of the program last
Speaker 4: year are now currently employed as apprentices at that firm.
Speaker 4: Are you making those connections? Is that really useful as well?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 16: Actually, as much as we certainly need the donations of product,
Speaker 16: that's our bigger goal is that.
Speaker 3: When the companies come in.
Speaker 16: And actually an example on Friday, I get an email
Speaker 16: from Green Gorilla, who is one of our supporters, who said, look,
Speaker 16: we're thinking about sustainability. How can we show the students
Speaker 16: that let's bring them to the plant, what walk them
Speaker 16: through it? And then what other opportunities are they for
Speaker 16: them here in Green Gorilla, What who might be interested
Speaker 16: in that? So as much as yes, we are so
Speaker 16: super grateful for their donation of product and knowledge. We
Speaker 16: are more interested in them saying, hey, we've got a
Speaker 16: program where we're training for shrim pikel came to us
Speaker 16: with that, how fantastic. And then we have these incredible
Speaker 16: connections in the community where we can say, hey, Johnny
Speaker 16: or Jenny are interested in that. Can we bring them
Speaker 16: out and we'll bring them out to the company, let
Speaker 16: them have a walk around, talk to them and make
Speaker 16: sure that it's a good fit for us. It's about
Speaker 16: a good fit because that's how we build the success.
Speaker 16: And in addition to making that good fit, the other
Speaker 16: thing that we are very focused on is adulting.
Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, our students.
Speaker 16: In the community generally are not maybe as well adulted
Speaker 16: as they could be, meaning that they don't know how
Speaker 16: to look at an adult who is maybe in a
Speaker 16: powerful position an employment. They don't know how to ask questions.
Speaker 16: They don't feel confident to say I'm actually not sure
Speaker 16: where that location is or if I can get there.
Speaker 16: I don't know if I can get there on time
Speaker 16: because I drop my sister to primary school before I come.
Speaker 16: They don't say that, or they didn't in the past
Speaker 16: say that, and then they would not turn up or
Speaker 16: they would be late. So we have an adulting program
Speaker 16: without RAP. It's called RAP. It's run by our rotary
Speaker 16: Penrose Rotary Program, and they meet with our students once
Speaker 16: a week, just during normal class time. It's nothing special,
Speaker 16: and a mentor's placed with two or three students and
Speaker 16: they are there to walk beside that student, so to
Speaker 16: understand how you're going out there? That's great, but how
Speaker 16: are you going to get there? Can you get there
Speaker 16: on time? What do you think you should be wearing?
Speaker 6: Have?
Speaker 16: Can you pack your lunch? Where our school that has
Speaker 16: a food program? Can you get a lunch together? Are
Speaker 16: you going to be able to get home in time
Speaker 16: for your sports practice?
Speaker 8: Okay?
Speaker 3: How can we work this out?
Speaker 16: And they do those very fine details that we as
Speaker 16: classroom teachers will.
Speaker 3: Never be able to do.
Speaker 16: Sure, So this mentoring program, I believe has been the difference.
Speaker 16: And it was with Woods Glass that we started this
Speaker 16: because they were our first big company and they took
Speaker 16: students and it was honestly, we were awful. We didn't
Speaker 16: turn up on time, you were late, we didn't talk.
Speaker 16: And this is when we recognized. I recognized with and
Speaker 16: Dumphy from the WRAP program.
Speaker 3: From Rotary that this is what we needed, was mentoring.
Speaker 16: And in our community we have a lot of people
Speaker 16: who can give up in our week through Rotary, that
Speaker 16: is a great bridge. And this has allowed our students
Speaker 16: to be able to talk confidently and feel good about
Speaker 16: being able to say what they need to say and
Speaker 16: support it so they may even practice doing a phone
Speaker 16: call to the company to introduce themselves. Those things are
Speaker 16: very difficult for our young people, and we feel that
Speaker 16: mentoring has overcome that.
Speaker 4: I think that's phenomenal in terms of its impact. So,
Speaker 4: you know, we as we get older, we criticize the
Speaker 4: younger generation and that sort of thing, but in the end,
Speaker 4: we've all got to learn these skills. Right, they don't
Speaker 4: just happen. And it's almost like you guys have figured
Speaker 4: that out and go, okay, so how do we teach
Speaker 4: these these skills in terms of fronting up, being on time,
Speaker 4: all of that sort of thing. It doesn't just happen.
Speaker 4: It's certain doesn't happen in a vacuum.
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen.
Speaker 16: But I think that what we were very fortunate is
Speaker 16: that instead of what saying to us, oh my goodness,
Speaker 16: what's wrong with you? They came back and said, hey, look,
Speaker 16: this one isn't doing this one, this one isn't doing that,
Speaker 16: and then we were able to partner and work through
Speaker 16: it together. Yep, and here they are still taking our
Speaker 16: peace people every year.
Speaker 4: Wow. So with me in the studio is Charlotte Mchow
Speaker 4: and his teacher in charge of trade. I just think
Speaker 4: that that title on your business card is just fantastic
Speaker 4: when it comes to secondary schools, right, because my own
Speaker 4: personal feeling is that I don't know that we've done
Speaker 4: a great job with trade training over the last thirty
Speaker 4: or forty years. And I guess I'm putting that timeline
Speaker 4: in because there was a vision back thirty or forty
Speaker 4: years ago where suddenly all of our jobs are going
Speaker 4: to be white collar. Right, we're moving into a digital
Speaker 4: environment blah blah blah blah blah. You know even AI, Right,
Speaker 4: they ain't going to come out and unblock your toilet.
Speaker 4: So I kind of feel that we've missed an opportunity
Speaker 4: with our generation of young people in terms of introducing
Speaker 4: them to life in the trades, which isn't always pleasant,
Speaker 4: isn't always easy, but I think ultimately can be really rewarding.
Speaker 4: Is that kind of what drives you that you've seen
Speaker 4: that insights.
Speaker 16: I think, gosh, what in a fantastic opportunity because trade
Speaker 16: can be just the.
Speaker 3: Beginning for us, at least an apprenticeship.
Speaker 16: It's the beginning, right, So we want them to get
Speaker 16: a qualification, so they've always got that to fall back
Speaker 16: on it like our parents don't. Ye got to have
Speaker 16: something to fall back on. And then from there, of
Speaker 16: course they can get greater qualifications. They can obviously run
Speaker 16: their own business, but if we can get them qualified
Speaker 16: with a skill that they can diversify from and make
Speaker 16: good friends and learn to work together. These are skills
Speaker 16: that are transferable. So what a great start. And then
Speaker 16: if you want to go into project management or something else,
Speaker 16: you go for yourself.
Speaker 3: But sure, at least let's get your started.
Speaker 4: It's a step on the ladder.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other thing that really impressed me about the building
Speaker 4: is you committed yourself to effectively sort of higher performance. Right,
Speaker 4: So this isn't let's just cobble it together and see
Speaker 4: what we end up with. You've gone through the home
Speaker 4: rating program. I saw Andrew Eagles there, Matthew Cutler Wealth,
Speaker 4: both of whom have been on the show a couple
Speaker 4: of times. I'm a huge I'm a homestar assessor from
Speaker 4: way back and all the so I think that it's
Speaker 4: a it's a fantastic project. What did you like? What
Speaker 4: did you need to do in order to achieve Home
Speaker 4: Star seven? Which is remarkable?
Speaker 16: Well, to be fair, we did think we were just
Speaker 16: doing a little old renovation. We never had this intention
Speaker 16: or absolutely not no way. So we were just going
Speaker 16: to do a little you know, do up. And that
Speaker 16: was great, and that was why I went to Woods
Speaker 16: Glass to ask them for their Yes, they left over windows,
Speaker 16: and they politely said we don't make those, but did
Speaker 16: come back and say, your apprentices can make.
Speaker 3: You whatever you want.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 16: When they came back and said that, that's when we
Speaker 16: realized that actually, this isn't made up of your leftovers. Yep,
Speaker 16: this could be something. And it happened to tie in.
Speaker 16: Was at Auckland University. The lecturer lecture that I was
Speaker 16: at was talking about Home Star and I cantest said
Speaker 16: to the builder, Hey, what about this and he said,
Speaker 16: I don't know anything about it.
Speaker 3: Let's find out.
Speaker 16: Spoke to Matthew Cultwal she said, yea, if you can
Speaker 16: get over h one, which that's going to be a
Speaker 16: lot for a nineteen sixty eight, nineteen seventy in this condition,
Speaker 16: which has got to blow a door test of nineteen
Speaker 16: ear changes an hour. If you can get over age one, you'll.
Speaker 3: Have a show.
Speaker 16: And so, of course, being blissfully ignorant, I said, great,
Speaker 16: let's do it, and knowing that Kanga Aora at the
Speaker 16: time did have in their new stock Homestyle level six
Speaker 16: and they also had ten, I just randomly.
Speaker 4: Said let's do seven a test.
Speaker 16: But really, how that happens is that everyone pulls together.
Speaker 16: So Matthew says, hey, well you really need to talk
Speaker 16: to this person. You need to talk to Homestar designer,
Speaker 16: you need to me need to go and do this course,
Speaker 16: so and get that done. So it's about the community
Speaker 16: coming together and collectively solving the problem. I certainly didn't
Speaker 16: solve the problem. It was a large group of all
Speaker 16: of our sponsors of professionals, people who know what they're doing,
Speaker 16: all sharing together and collectively coming up with the solutions
Speaker 16: because you were hack ups along the way like the
Speaker 16: water proof and how do we do this?
Speaker 4: But that's building, yes, you know, but.
Speaker 16: It's so wonderful that everybody wants to come together and
Speaker 16: I think it brings out the best of everyone when
Speaker 16: it is a community project for student success, and that
Speaker 16: is what made it so special. So there isn't one
Speaker 16: person driving it. We are all in this together.
Speaker 4: Fantastic with me in the studio, Charlotte mckeowan from One
Speaker 4: Tree Hill College. We're going to take a short break.
Speaker 4: We'll talk a little bit more about the house and hey,
Speaker 4: you can buy it and it's a damn good house,
Speaker 4: so why wouldn't you twenty one minutes after eight back
Speaker 4: in the mow.
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
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Speaker 4: So Charlotte from One Tree Hill College teacher. I'd love
Speaker 4: that phrase, teacher in charge of trades, and part of
Speaker 4: me loves it so much because I don't see that
Speaker 4: on business cards for teachers much. Just very quick, what
Speaker 4: is it about One Tree Hill College that went we're
Speaker 4: going to do this?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 4: Your drive is at the school recognizing what they need
Speaker 4: for their students. Where does it come from?
Speaker 16: I think it came from originally are seeing that the
Speaker 16: students weren't transitioning as well as what they could from sure,
Speaker 16: from the program into apprenticeships.
Speaker 3: There's too big.
Speaker 16: A gap there, and from making furniture, which we were
Speaker 16: around the school, which is very helpful, and we need
Speaker 16: picnic tables and we need seating. This is all a
Speaker 16: valid thing to do, but it's not building on a
Speaker 16: job site, right, It's not. It's not, and you can't
Speaker 16: make it that because you're in a workshop. It's much
Speaker 16: more controlled in there.
Speaker 3: It's just not.
Speaker 4: And I guess the other thing is some schools allow
Speaker 4: for you know, in their let's say year thirteens who
Speaker 4: might have one day a week working on site, but
Speaker 4: then there's also that they can't keep up with their
Speaker 4: regular NCAA subjects and so on. So the beauty of
Speaker 4: bringing the work site to the school is what you
Speaker 4: were talking about earlier. You can be in the classroom
Speaker 4: doing you know, your Level three English or visual English
Speaker 4: or whatever you're doing, and then in the afternoon you'll
Speaker 4: be out on the building site.
Speaker 3: It's correct.
Speaker 16: So we've been able to mesh these two together, which
Speaker 16: means that as tradees are coming on site for whatever
Speaker 16: license works they may be doing. Yes, we can let
Speaker 16: the students know that, Hey, the electrician is going to
Speaker 16: be here today. If you want to go out, you
Speaker 16: can pull some wires with them, it'd be great. Or
Speaker 16: just go out and see when we were doing the
Speaker 16: diaphragm floor, for example, the students couldn't do that, but
Speaker 16: they could come out and watch that being done by
Speaker 16: licensed builders. Yes, which is a fabulous experience. Who knows
Speaker 16: what it looks like under there. It's great to see
Speaker 16: what I've beam in a joycener.
Speaker 4: What's going on? This is absolutely and the house when
Speaker 4: it arrived and I remember seeing the news story about it,
Speaker 4: you know, pretty shabby, run down, typical nineteen seventies house.
Speaker 4: So was this it's XKO stock from the Eastern Busway
Speaker 4: project or from another project came from from angli Okay,
Speaker 4: so I thought it might have been an Eastern Busway.
Speaker 4: Either way, it's fantastic that rather than just driving a
Speaker 4: bulldozer through them, we're refurbishing them and not just refurbishing.
Speaker 4: I think it's it's hard to not understate the fact
Speaker 4: that it's a home Star seven rating right independent rating.
Speaker 4: You've got to achieve right, doesn't meet the criteria, they're
Speaker 4: not going to give it a home Star seven rating.
Speaker 4: And given that, you know, when I firsted Homestar, probably
Speaker 4: seventy percent of New Zealand houses used to be a
Speaker 4: two or maybe, and then they ditched. Anything below five,
Speaker 4: and a modestly built house might achieve a seven is unusual.
Speaker 4: That puts you in the top couple of percent of
Speaker 4: houses in the country in terms of its energy efficiency,
Speaker 4: in terms of being warm, dry, comfortable. So, given that
Speaker 4: the house is up for sale, what's been the response
Speaker 4: from the community, and you've got real estate agents on board,
Speaker 4: it's on trade me you know, are you confident about
Speaker 4: the auction?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, in fact, we're even going to run a wager.
Speaker 3: That's right, Okay, of course we are.
Speaker 16: No, we do believe that there will be someone out
Speaker 16: there who will be looking to move this, whether it's
Speaker 16: for a batch or for a family home a little
Speaker 16: further out of Auckland, I would imagine wouldn't be great.
Speaker 16: It's not terribly expensive to move it fifty kilometers maybe
Speaker 16: thirty five thousand dollars and get some piles in the ground.
Speaker 3: You're good to go.
Speaker 16: It's affordable thing and you're going to take your toothbrush,
Speaker 16: because you even get a car so you can drive
Speaker 16: behind your house.
Speaker 4: On a truck far out so that and look, we're
Speaker 4: not talking expensive, right, So you've set the reserve at
Speaker 4: two hundred grand, that's.
Speaker 16: Correct, and we would have you know, more than four
Speaker 16: hundred in it, that's for sure for our sponsors donations.
Speaker 3: And that's without labor.
Speaker 16: So if you're coming in, you're going to get it
Speaker 16: under sort of four or five hundred.
Speaker 3: You're going to get a scale right there.
Speaker 4: What day is the auction?
Speaker 16: It is on Thursday, the third of April at four o'clock.
Speaker 16: It's a live auction with Barfoot and Thompson. So we'll
Speaker 16: be doing it on site, but of course fantastic do
Speaker 16: it online with you.
Speaker 3: All in your bid.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it'll be very exciting. I mean it's already exciting
Speaker 16: with the open homes, and this.
Speaker 4: Is not a one hit wonder.
Speaker 6: Ray.
Speaker 4: My understanding is you've got another house lined up and
Speaker 4: this will start again in May.
Speaker 16: That's correct, So this house will need to be off
Speaker 16: site by the end of April. We actually the builders
Speaker 16: out today are looking at thirty eight different homes that
Speaker 16: are going to be removed in a particular area and
Speaker 16: he will be narrowing that down. We need something that
Speaker 16: can fit on a truck, something with an iron roof, yep.
Speaker 16: And if it meets those specifications, then we can start
Speaker 16: crawling around and seeing if the bones are good and
Speaker 16: we'll pick that up and make it into something fabulous and.
Speaker 4: You'll spend your dollar. You're buying a house.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got our dollar ready. We're good to go.
Speaker 4: Can I just read out to you a couple of
Speaker 4: the texts that have come through So the way it
Speaker 4: works as people can text right into the studio. So
Speaker 4: this text what a wonderful story and what a resourceful
Speaker 4: person Charlotte is one Tree Hill College is blessed. Another
Speaker 4: person has said this is a game changer for our
Speaker 4: young people. Hope it gets replicated throughout New Zealand. Hope
Speaker 4: ko heads are listening from Lee because other schools have
Speaker 4: done builds right, but it's often from new or they've
Speaker 4: got frames and trusses and maybe a roof on site
Speaker 4: and it's the completion. This is genuinely new and game
Speaker 4: changing in terms of a deep retro fit and remodel
Speaker 4: of an existing building.
Speaker 16: Correct, And I think well for us we weren't confident
Speaker 16: to take a brand new bath because we don't have
Speaker 16: any covered area, We don't have a special space. We
Speaker 16: just have a triangular piece of land that the school
Speaker 16: couldn't use for anything.
Speaker 3: Else, and no one wanted.
Speaker 16: That was all we had, so we couldn't do the
Speaker 16: model with kring or with the frames and trusses, and
Speaker 16: we were considering tiny houses, but that really seemed to
Speaker 16: be much and gosh, how would we pay it back?
Speaker 16: So for us caring or was the difference between us
Speaker 16: being able to do this and not do it. And
Speaker 16: I do want to thank them for having that vision
Speaker 16: of sustainability and saying hey, look we will help you.
Speaker 16: And they did help us a lot to get this
Speaker 16: on site. They removed all this bust us before we
Speaker 16: got it, which meets the Ministry of Education specifications and
Speaker 16: it's allowed us to do this and now, of course
Speaker 16: it allows others to see what we're doing and they
Speaker 16: can do it too, and we want to share that.
Speaker 16: We want everyone in New Zelling to do it and
Speaker 16: they are more than welcome to contact us and we
Speaker 16: will give them everything we've got.
Speaker 4: You mentioned on Monday that some other schools were coming
Speaker 4: to look through. Did that happen this week?
Speaker 16: So on Thursday we had twenty five twenty seven people
Speaker 16: come from different schools around New Zealand to hear about
Speaker 16: what we were doing. And we had people talking from BCITO,
Speaker 16: from Moldi and Pacific Trade Training. We had Matthew talking
Speaker 16: about home staff. Yes, we had our rotary program talking
Speaker 16: about the mentoring program and the purpose was to show
Speaker 16: the rape Around program that we do share everything. There
Speaker 16: is no question that is not welcome. And we'll tell
Speaker 16: you what we've done because we want you to do
Speaker 16: it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're doing it again. And when I talked
Speaker 4: to you on Monday, I said, look, here's the deal.
Speaker 4: If you come into the studio and chat for half
Speaker 4: an hour, which we've done, I'll come and work for
Speaker 4: you for a day. So you just let me know
Speaker 4: and I'll be there with you. Not escape me my
Speaker 4: Pilly Penny on All right, looking forward to Charlotte mckewan
Speaker 4: from one Tree Hill College. All the very best for
Speaker 4: the auction. Check it out online. It's on trade Me.
Speaker 4: It'll be on the Bathlet and website, Bartheton Thompson website.
Speaker 4: Good luck with the auction and thank you very much
Speaker 4: for joining me today. Yeah back with Rudd in just
Speaker 4: a moment. Squeaky door or Squeaky floor.
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