1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tamee podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:13,213 Speaker 1: from News Talks at b Right. 3 00:00:13,293 --> 00:00:17,013 Speaker 2: It is not often you will hear me unreservedly champion 4 00:00:17,253 --> 00:00:20,493 Speaker 2: in act policy, but I am all in when it 5 00:00:20,493 --> 00:00:24,413 Speaker 2: comes to their concern and policy response to sexually explicit 6 00:00:24,453 --> 00:00:27,733 Speaker 2: deep fakes. The US and the UK are leading the 7 00:00:27,773 --> 00:00:31,733 Speaker 2: way with legislative changes on this new Zealand law lagging 8 00:00:31,893 --> 00:00:36,413 Speaker 2: well behind ACDMP Laura McClure has prepared a bill to 9 00:00:36,493 --> 00:00:40,213 Speaker 2: restrict the generation and sharing of sexually explicit deep fakes. 10 00:00:40,253 --> 00:00:43,333 Speaker 2: So recently she announced the deep Fake Digital Harm and 11 00:00:43,413 --> 00:00:48,253 Speaker 2: Exploitation Bill, expands existing legislation around revenge porn and intimate 12 00:00:48,493 --> 00:00:52,173 Speaker 2: recordings and ensures that those who produce or share deep 13 00:00:52,173 --> 00:00:56,373 Speaker 2: fakes without consent faced criminal accountability and victims have clear 14 00:00:56,413 --> 00:01:01,853 Speaker 2: pathways to seek redress and removal of harmful content. This 15 00:01:02,093 --> 00:01:04,933 Speaker 2: is a common sense move in a tech area which 16 00:01:05,213 --> 00:01:08,533 Speaker 2: is so fast moving that we're always playing catch up. 17 00:01:09,133 --> 00:01:12,413 Speaker 2: Once upon a time, we warned our children about nude pics. 18 00:01:12,853 --> 00:01:15,533 Speaker 2: When it became apparent some just couldn't help themselves. The 19 00:01:15,613 --> 00:01:18,413 Speaker 2: recommended advice became that if they were going to send picks, 20 00:01:18,413 --> 00:01:23,213 Speaker 2: they should avoid showing identifiable features, you know, like their faces. 21 00:01:23,853 --> 00:01:28,093 Speaker 2: The imagery that technology can now create in mere minutes 22 00:01:28,493 --> 00:01:33,493 Speaker 2: far exceeds the considerable peril posed by the consented nude pic. 23 00:01:34,213 --> 00:01:38,053 Speaker 2: Ken we Born Bloomberg journalist Olivia Carvell has dedicated her 24 00:01:38,173 --> 00:01:41,293 Speaker 2: career to unearthing the dark side of the tech of 25 00:01:41,413 --> 00:01:45,013 Speaker 2: tech and the Internet, and in her recent podcast, Levettown 26 00:01:45,093 --> 00:01:47,853 Speaker 2: focuses on the rise of deep fake pornography and the 27 00:01:47,893 --> 00:01:50,853 Speaker 2: battle to stop it. In the podcast, she tells a 28 00:01:50,893 --> 00:01:54,053 Speaker 2: story of how photographs of young women were doctored without 29 00:01:54,093 --> 00:01:56,653 Speaker 2: their consent, then they were shared on a website where 30 00:01:56,653 --> 00:01:58,813 Speaker 2: men were encouraged to discuss what they would like to 31 00:01:58,853 --> 00:02:01,173 Speaker 2: do to these women. I know it's all a bit 32 00:02:01,253 --> 00:02:04,133 Speaker 2: much for a Sunday morning, but it is a fascinating 33 00:02:04,173 --> 00:02:06,973 Speaker 2: podcast worth listening to, and even though it is a 34 00:02:07,013 --> 00:02:09,813 Speaker 2: New York story, it has a crazy New Zealand twist 35 00:02:09,853 --> 00:02:13,973 Speaker 2: to it. The point is, though the harm and trauma 36 00:02:14,173 --> 00:02:18,693 Speaker 2: that comes from sexualized AI deep fakes is real and impactful, 37 00:02:19,093 --> 00:02:22,773 Speaker 2: and victims must have legal grounds to do something about it, 38 00:02:23,573 --> 00:02:27,013 Speaker 2: but it's also about public clarity and drawing a strong 39 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:31,133 Speaker 2: line under what's not acceptable. It's thought ninety to ninety 40 00:02:31,133 --> 00:02:35,333 Speaker 2: five percent of online deep fake videos are non consensual pornography, 41 00:02:35,613 --> 00:02:39,573 Speaker 2: and around ninety percent of them feature women. McClure's bill 42 00:02:39,893 --> 00:02:42,533 Speaker 2: is a member's bill at this stage, which she has 43 00:02:42,613 --> 00:02:45,853 Speaker 2: written to the Minister of Justice urging that the bill 44 00:02:46,013 --> 00:02:49,413 Speaker 2: is adopted as a government bill and I hope they 45 00:02:49,453 --> 00:02:50,573 Speaker 2: take up her offer. 46 00:02:51,253 --> 00:02:54,373 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, Listen live 47 00:02:54,453 --> 00:02:57,293 Speaker 1: to news talks that'd b from nine am Saturday, or 48 00:02:57,373 --> 00:02:59,253 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.