1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty find your 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: one of the Kind. 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 2: On the Hundle of Us. This evening we have Gareth 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: Hugh's director of the Well Being Economy Alliance out at All, 5 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: former Green MP of course, and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Hire you too, Hello Gareth thoughts on the documentary. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 3: Oh look, if you are making a documentary to raise 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 3: profile while these kids were still stuck in the bush 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: with their father, I think that's probably a good thing 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 3: to do. But now they've been found safe, you know, 11 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 3: I think their right to privacy is probably the most 12 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: important thing, so that we won't be able to control 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 3: the netflixes or the Disney channels of the world. I 14 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 3: understand why there's interested in making a story, but look, 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: I hope New Zealand's not making a story which is 16 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: all about trying to you know, just sell tickets basically, 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: will sensationalize. What I prefer is the kids, you know, 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: just we're able to get on with your life. 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan, I agree. I think that, especially as things 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 4: have unfolded that in a care you know, even when 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: assuming suppression is lifted on this one, Daud, I just 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 4: I think it's it's just it's awful. Why would you 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 4: go there? It might have been started with the best 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: of intentions, and I'm sure that someone's going to be 25 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: seriously out of pocket, but actually, whr key is you 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 4: know there's not in the public interest? 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think I mean, Gareth, do you think 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: it is possible for us to kind of back off 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: as a society and let them kind of get on 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 2: with it as much as possible and not remind them 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: of what they've gone through? 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 3: I hope so. And you know, I've worked a lot 33 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: with people in the media in New Zealand and I've 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: got a lot of time for them. There's a lot 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 3: of really good people doing the work here in New Zealand. 36 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: So look, I've got confidence and in a lot of 37 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 3: the New Zealand media, less so the international ones. Obviously, 38 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: you know, this has gone at international attention and I 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: can easily imagine, you know, documentary being made on one 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: of the big channels. But look, my message to the 41 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: media is like, please diffect them the children's inter us 42 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: rather than chasing dollars. 43 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what, Jordan, I'll tell you. What I'm 44 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: surprised by is the ongoing support and I'm getting it 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: even now on the text, ongoing support for Tom Phillips, 46 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: as if he's some sort of a good guy doing 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: the right thing by his kids. 48 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: Well, that's what suppression does I mean. And it's not 49 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: a sign of weakness. It's actually the sign of an 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: organization with a healthy dynamic. There's quite see on the 51 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: board of the Free Speech Union, and there is a 52 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: healthy debate going on between the lawyers, both the advisory 53 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 4: board and on the board about the role of suppression. 54 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 4: And I'm not going to, you know, obviously break any 55 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 4: of that, but of course in the vacuum you do 56 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: get misperceptions that are that arise. I mustn't met on 57 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 4: this one. I'm really quite torn. But it's notwithstanding the 58 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: view on the documentary, I don't think we should gouge 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 4: on it. I do think that it is pretty outrageous 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 4: that was very clearly such a significant case. You have 61 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: lawyers saying we can know that you can't, as particularly 62 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: led by a law who's on the board of our 63 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 4: state broadcaster. I consider that just actually. 64 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: That is such an interesting point. Do you think I meant? 65 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: Is it getting weirdly conflicted for Linda Clarke to be 66 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 2: injuncting the media when she is the board member. 67 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: Of the first time, not for the you know, I mean, 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 4: should they active for McK skimmings? And I mean, how 69 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 4: do you. 70 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: That's right superinjunction to protect to prevent us from knowing 71 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: anything about you, And it was a super injunction. 72 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: You couldn't it was illegal to even that really drove 73 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: me up the wall that you that, as a free 74 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: speech advocate you couldn't even tell people and injunction existed 75 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: because that was And I'd love to know how common 76 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 4: that is in New Zealand. But as I say, reason 77 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 4: why it's different on cases. But media should be pretty 78 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: pure on this. I mean, at the ends of May 79 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: are actually pretty good on it. But to have a 80 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: board member being being continually in court arguing for secrecy, 81 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: I think is just such a grace. 82 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: Now are you on the side of turners? Are you? 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 2: Or are you on the side of old mate who 84 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: complained about the burnout? 85 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: Well, as a sort of former boy racer from Gisborne 86 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: who used to drove a low car with mag wheels, 87 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: I'm probably on the other side of the argument. Look, 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean there's probably more important things to be talking 89 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: about in the state of the world today. But look, 90 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: this was a one second clip of the burnout and 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: a pretty funny, lighthearted video. But ultimately, you know, this 92 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: wasn't a decision to me. This was a decision for 93 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: the advertising. 94 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: And they clearly have Gareth, what kind of car did 95 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: you drive? 96 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: I had a Mark one Ford Escort. 97 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: Oh what color? 98 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: Beautiful red? 99 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? 100 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 2: Did you do burnouts? 101 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: I didn't. Actually, I'm such a cheapskate, you know. I'd 102 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: rather keep the rubber of my expensive tires on the 103 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: car the road. 104 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 2: This is not at all what I expected from you. 105 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to take a break. I want to know 106 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: what you think when we come back. Jordan sixteen away from. 107 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the 108 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: global leader and luxury real Estate. 109 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: Right, you're back of the huddle, Gareth Hughes and Jordan 110 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: Williams gone. Then, Jordan, what do you think of the 111 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: Turner's ad? 112 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 4: I think the Advertising Standards authority is quite out of touch. 113 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 4: You know, how can it be? What is literally New 114 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: Zealand's favorite advertising character is offensive to the reasonable person 115 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 4: or clearly not. The other interesting thing is is it 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: was a YouTube ad only, which resembling means that it's 117 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: been quite targeted at a younger you know, the people 118 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: that you know that the nature of some experience in marketing, 119 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,679 Speaker 4: the nature of a good marketing spend as you're reaching 120 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 4: the right person. So the ad would be targeting the 121 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: younger demographic for which that ad would work, and you 122 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: get these ASA fogures. I appreciate it's industry lead, but 123 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: in my experience with the ASA, they are frankly out 124 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 4: of touch. They're pretty politicized, as I say, and having 125 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: had clients put in front of them, and I just 126 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: think that this was just yet another one. 127 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and have you got any secret boy racer history 128 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: you need to disclose here? 129 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 4: Ah, not that willing to describe to the country. I 130 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: had a prime error at the Senate when I was 131 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: at high school, and I was pretty proud of it 132 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: with my paid for with my McDonald's job. 133 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: Oh did you have a McDonald's. I had a McDonald's job, 134 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: but I didn't. 135 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: I didn't. I think you'd be more McCafe, wouldn't you. 136 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 2: No, I love to drive through because there was an 137 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: efficiency that you needed, you needed. 138 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 4: I think your other panelist might have had some experience, 139 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 4: didn't you. 140 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: Gareth, We've discussed this you. 141 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: I've been arrested a dresses Ronald McDonald infamously. But on 142 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: my fifteenth birthday I got my driver's license, so I 143 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 3: in the first place, I went with the McDonald's drive through. 144 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 2: Yes, but of course you did because McDonald's is always 145 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: a lovely treat when you make bad decisions as a 146 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: young person. Now, Gareth, do you think that MPs should 147 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: be able to hold because there's once again we're having 148 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: this debate about whether mp should be able to hold 149 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 2: shares or should force should be forced to divest. What 150 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: do you think? 151 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's the voting or regulating or involved 152 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 3: in making decisions on something. They've got a direct if 153 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: your interest, Yeah, they should divest it. We've got rules 154 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: for ministers, and I agree with the professor from way Kadow, 155 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: Professor McCauley, who's suggesting why don't we broaden it out 156 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: to MPs as well. Look, I think the bigger issue 157 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: that's sort of what the pecuniary interests of our politicians discloses, 158 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 3: just how many of them are invested in housing. I 159 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: think it tells you so much about the state of 160 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: our economy or which has been described as an economy, sorry, 161 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: a housing market with a bit of an economy tagged on. 162 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: Where you know, people in power are interesting their money, 163 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: And I think the second thing we need to be 164 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 3: really focusing on as well as the donations that go 165 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: to politicians. I don't think politicians should be receiving donations 166 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: when they're directly regulating the very interest or industry donating 167 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: the money. 168 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 4: Dan, I heard let's go for you wants text by 169 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 4: funding of political parties. No, I'm pretty suspicious of looking 170 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 4: for interests, but I do think in this instance is 171 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: the risk of jumping at shadows. A regulatory decision by 172 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 4: the minister is a bit different than sort of voting 173 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: on general legislation, and it seems that even the sort 174 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: of most remote interest has now jumped upon. So basically 175 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 4: the argument is we only want losers, sorry, people that 176 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: either don't have significant investments or are willing to really 177 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 4: take the heed or give them up as themes of parliament. Look, 178 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 4: we all know here that the caliber of people putting 179 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 4: themselves forward to public office is significantly decreased over time, 180 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: and a big reason that it's cited. Is this sort 181 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: of thing I not, as I say. On the other hand, 182 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 4: the public is right to be suspicious. Heck, I run 183 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 4: the taxpayers Union. You know, we point out conflicts all 184 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 4: the time, but there is there is a difference between 185 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 4: something very minor and remote and actually a real conflict. 186 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: But we do have a real issue right which is 187 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 3: public trust is dropping two thirds of key. We think 188 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 3: the economy is rigged for the rich and powerful. This 189 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: has an impact on how people trust politicians. And look 190 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 3: at politicians put there. You know, she is in a 191 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 3: blind trust while they're there for you know, three sects 192 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: or whatever many years. It's not a bigger position for 193 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: what should be the greater public interest? 194 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Are you garis going to go and see the Justinda documentary. 195 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: Oh of course she was a great prime minister. 196 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 2: Oh no, stop it, no, no, don't do that. You're 197 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: doing that on purpose. You're doing that on purpose, giving it. 198 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: A great tragic I would go to a documentary about 199 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: Arnold Nordemayer. I'd love New Zealand politics and we'll always 200 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: see it. Look, I think she was one of the 201 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: better prime ministers we've had in recent years. She wasn't 202 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: she didn't do everything right, and from my perspective, it 203 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: wasn't a progressively transformation. 204 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: Oh no, that's garth. 205 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to hang up on military. 206 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: Well no, Lord, imagine if she was more progressively transformational. Lord, Jordan, 207 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: are you going to go see it? 208 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure inted Me has an employee assistance 209 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 4: program if you'll. 210 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: Run get my three counseling sessions and use them up 211 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: on talking about justinder. It's not a bad idea. Actually, anyway, 212 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: do you want to go see it with me, Jordan, 213 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: because we can console each other. 214 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 4: For me? 215 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Oh do you think so? 216 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, problem I don't. 217 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Think Yeah, I won't understand anything. 218 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, I'm told which one? Didn't you? Down? 219 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 4: To the movies? Out on to. 220 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: A bit of time? 221 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks very much. Guys appreciate it. 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