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Speaker 2: Welcome you, great New Zealanders to the Matt and Tyler

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Speaker 2: Afternoons News Talks HEB podcast for Tuesday, the third of

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Speaker 2: December and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Great show. Today, we get into a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: around fitbits and Apple watches and doctors saying that people

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Speaker 2: shouldn't be monitoring their health as much as they are

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Speaker 2: because it's turning them to hypochondriacts. We've also got some

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Speaker 2: exciting benefit chat as well. But the real thing that

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Speaker 2: you'll be waiting for to the end of the show

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Speaker 2: is the binding referendum on fake versus real Christmas trees.

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Speaker 2: We put it out there and I have been in

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Speaker 2: radio for a long time and I have never seen

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Speaker 2: a text machine explode with so much feedback as it

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Speaker 2: did over the fake Real debate.

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Speaker 3: Hundred six are still coming through, they're.

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Speaker 2: Still piling in. People are angry, they're fired up. I've

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Speaker 2: never seen New Zealand as divided as it is, and

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Speaker 2: this is what's social media is doing to us. We're

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Speaker 2: a divided nation. We're completely polarized, and there's no bipartisan

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Speaker 2: love on fake versus real Christmas trees.

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Speaker 3: This is more spicy than the flag referendum. We've made

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Speaker 3: some big promises, so we've got some came It's.

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Speaker 2: More expensive than the flag referendum. So enjoy the show

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Speaker 2: and give them a taste of Kiwi from me. And hey, look,

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Speaker 2: if you haven't set to download and subscribe and all

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, then why wouldn't you. Okay, all right, then, okay,

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Speaker 2: you've seen busy. We'll let you listen to the show.

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Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk zib Good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Do you welcome into the show? Mett and Tyler with

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Speaker 3: you until four pm. Hope you're doing well, get a mat.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. I'm sitting in the same seat

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Speaker 2: that Boris Johnson did for with Hie before. Still warm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it runs hot.

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Speaker 2: It's hours later and it's still piping hole on my seat.

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Speaker 2: There's a little blonde here is everywhere I'm putting myself

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Speaker 2: talking a little bit like this.

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Speaker 3: Or very very good, right, big show today after three

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Speaker 3: o'clock a very special interview.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Doctor sel the Macogiano, a maritime historian

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Speaker 2: at Campbell University, former merchant Marina Mariner and host of

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Speaker 2: What is going on the Shipping? He analyzes the MANAWANUI

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Speaker 2: autopilot disaster. I saw his analysis and so we reached

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Speaker 2: out to him all the way over to North Carolina

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Speaker 2: and gonna have a great chat. Well, we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: a chat with him. I assume it's going to be

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Speaker 2: great around his theories on it, and it's all to

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Speaker 2: do with the ASI pods, and it's all to do

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Speaker 2: with the transition from it being a commercial vessel to

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Speaker 2: it being a navy vessel. So here, Yeah, he knows

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Speaker 2: the stuff.

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Speaker 3: He sent to share it with us after three, looking

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Speaker 3: forward to that after two o'clock. Why are doctors weary

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Speaker 3: of wearer balls? A lot of us have them at

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Speaker 3: the moment we're talking about the Apple watches, the fitbits,

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Speaker 3: the aura rings, But more and more doctors out of

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Speaker 3: the UK and a US say a lot of the

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Speaker 3: health data that they actually get are not that useful

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Speaker 3: for the user, and we may be raising a society

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Speaker 3: of hypochondriacs. Get out, Get out. You've got a very

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Speaker 3: beautiful Apple Watch on at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean hypercontract so I guess. I guess it

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Speaker 2: depends what you use it for. I use it so

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Speaker 2: it reminds me to stand up when I'm sitting on

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Speaker 2: a really really positive thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When I had my Apple Watch on, I've got

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Speaker 3: it at home. I haven't worn it for some time,

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Speaker 3: but I'm with you. It actually kicked my ass a

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're constantly monitoring your heart rate, and

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Speaker 2: I know there's various other things that they can monitor,

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Speaker 2: Is it a problem for us to be Do they

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Speaker 2: I think that's a decision we can make for ourselves.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be an interesting chat after two o'clock,

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Speaker 3: but right now, let's have a chat about the job

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Speaker 3: seekers benefit. So up to seventy thousand job seekers are

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Speaker 3: to receive individual assessments and a personalized job plan to

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Speaker 3: help them get into work. Minister for Social Development and

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Speaker 3: Employment Louise Upstein said yesterday everyone who is supported by

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Speaker 3: work readiness needs assessment to look at a possible barriers

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Speaker 3: to their employment such as education, transport, addiction, health and

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Speaker 3: childcare issues they may have. But what we want to

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Speaker 3: have a chat to you about is if you are

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Speaker 3: from you. What is it like at the moment trying

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Speaker 3: to find a job. I've heard multiple stories online and

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Speaker 3: for the past twelve months finding it very difficult. Some

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Speaker 3: of these people are very qualified. But also the hurdles

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Speaker 3: in going to a j job interview. Are the job

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Speaker 3: interviews lined up in relation to your audit skills.

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Speaker 2: When you say hurdles you go through, wouldn't that be

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Speaker 3: It well sometimes it is. And this is why I'm

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Speaker 3: if you're on the benefit, is that after the GFC,

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Speaker 3: I had to go on the job Seekers Benefit for

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Speaker 3: about two months while I was looking for work. I

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Speaker 3: my obligations that I always meant. Absolutely I'm grateful that

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Speaker 3: bad don't get me wrong, But the fact that I

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Speaker 3: Really, I smashed that in a couple of hours. Okay,

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Speaker 2: You're not one of our kids.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was the situation back in two thousand

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Speaker 3: if you're able to. But if there are still these

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Speaker 3: unfair hurdles, particularly for those that are heavily qualified, and

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Speaker 3: they are being asked to do things that are just

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Speaker 3: ticking a box, that's what I want to hear about.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay, T one hundred and eighty ten eighty what's

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Speaker 2: it like to be on the job seeker right now? Also,

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Speaker 2: be interested to hear what the market's like out there,

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Speaker 2: If you're throwing your CV around and getting nothing back.

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Speaker 3: There was also some concern when there was suggestions that

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Speaker 3: those on the job seeker may be required to move

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a text here on nine two niney two Tyler,

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Speaker 2: Matt Hurd your intro on the job Seeker. But when

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Speaker 2: people realize they need to shift towns, if not states,

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Speaker 2: But I mean I guess that maybe that was a

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Speaker 2: so I moved up here. Does seem like if you're

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Speaker 2: and you know, you know you've got the time, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I don't see what the concern is.

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Speaker 3: And they made it pretty clear. Louise Upton said that

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Speaker 3: into consideration. We're talking about young people here who have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you grew up in a small town, you

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Speaker 2: generally try and move to a bigger town to try

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Speaker 2: what you've got.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four us talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past one. We're talking about

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Speaker 3: the new changes to the Job Seeker benefits in terms

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Speaker 3: a job, and we put the call out that if

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Speaker 3: you're on the Job Seeker Benefit or you've been looking

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Speaker 3: for a job, we'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 2: And you believe that some of the things that they

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Speaker 2: get you to do a pointless Like, for example, you

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Speaker 2: were forced to do an x when you were on

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Speaker 2: the Job Seeker Benefit. I've never been on it, but

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Speaker 2: you were on it and you were forced So I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but you were forced to do an Excel

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Speaker 2: course when you already knew.

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Speaker 4: How to do it.

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Speaker 3: Run Excel, yeah, chet, yeah, I already had those skills,

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Speaker 3: but they sent me to It was a community based

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Speaker 2: And you don't think they should have done that well

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Speaker 2: Did you turn off everything in your house before you left?

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Speaker 7: Morning?

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Speaker 7: So I've been on the job seeker with a medical

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Speaker 2: And then snat you didn't want Savannah, you didn't want

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean I was open to any type of

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Speaker 9: Did not attend the interview.

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Speaker 7: For work and I was only able to have an

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Speaker 2: Hang on a minute, Savannah. Your house burnt to the ground,

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Speaker 2: so you had evidence that your house burnt to the ground.

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Speaker 2: Surely they would have taken that into account. That you

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Speaker 2: It was where about I was.

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Speaker 7: Classed as this was in the white cats hoes, and

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Speaker 7: it was classed as not an emergency, even though my

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Speaker 7: And then I literally had to fight work and income

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Speaker 2: Okay, but did you? So you you took the fire

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Speaker 7: Class as not it was, And I mean I still

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Speaker 3: Well, Savannah, with these new changes, having a personalized plan

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Speaker 7: Well, it is a good thing going forward. But we're

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Speaker 7: And I have my guys, they have on my file

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Speaker 2: And you're you're and you're happy with that, and you

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Speaker 7: Exactly, I mean, I'm more than happy to do that.

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Speaker 7: But the thing that is quite interesting with it to

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Speaker 7: I'm here to do a seminar and they look at

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, Savannah. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like you've had an extraordinary amount of bad luck there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, oh. On one hundred eighty ten eighty. Also

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is a big increase eight thousand new

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Speaker 3: and the government want to reduce that drastically by next year.

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Speaker 3: That's a big task, isn't it. Lots of texts coming

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Speaker 3: through on nine two ninety two. Guys, why couldn't she

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Speaker 3: keep the subway job because she was angry at being

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Speaker 3: told what to do by younger people. Yeah, well, I mean, well,

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Speaker 3: this is why it's tough, isn't it. I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: I listened to what Savannah had to say, and clearly

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Speaker 3: she's had a bad run. If you take her out

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Speaker 3: a word, and that's all we can do. But if

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Speaker 3: why you look for something better aligned to whatever skills

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Speaker 3: you've got. Then, to me, I can understand that. And

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Speaker 3: when I was on the job, I taken that job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well you can understand why she wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I can under no. I can

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Speaker 3: understand that text saying that if that job was available,

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Speaker 3: and they said, yep, we want to take you on, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh you've got it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's money, it's more money than on the job

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Speaker 2: Of course, you've got it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call. It's twenty six past one.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 10: Times to Crystal Luxner is with us the friendship here, CRL.

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Speaker 10: Do you know what the problem is and is it serious?

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Speaker 10: Not that I haven't been breached on that at all.

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Speaker 10: Don't you want to be It's the biggest structural project

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I would like to know that. It's the

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Speaker 4: first I've heard about it, but it.

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Speaker 2: Just hasn't come to my desk. Listen, Oh my god,

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Speaker 2: who's running your office?

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Speaker 10: For goodness safe, there's a massive and underneath Auckland businesses

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Speaker 10: is three times over budget. It's years behind it. The

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Speaker 10: going on?

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Speaker 2: I asked the prime of the screen. You don't know, No,

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Speaker 10: This project has been going on forever and that Danwell

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Speaker 10: needs to come to a close. Back tomorrow at six

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Speaker 10: am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Mayley's Real Estate News

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Speaker 10: Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, it is twenty nine past one and we're

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Speaker 3: talking about the changes the job seeker benefits a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'll go to some text here nineteen nine two. A

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Speaker 2: lot of jobs advertised on Trading and Seat do not

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Speaker 2: show the pay rate on offer. At the interview, they

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Speaker 2: will ask you how much the position is worth. This

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Speaker 2: is unfair as they will decide whether you get the

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Speaker 2: that is unfair that when you ask, you know, I

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Speaker 2: always think that if you go to a job interview

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Speaker 2: isn't it, Because you'll say what you know? You shall

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Speaker 2: You'll say what a lower rate to get the job?

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Speaker 2: Potentially there should be an amount that you're going to pay.

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Speaker 3: People to advertise it on seek. Yeah, I agree, Gavin,

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Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

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Speaker 9: Didn't make yourself?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good? So what's your story?

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Speaker 5: So basically about two years ago, maybe a little bit

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Speaker 5: more than that now, I was in a quite a

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Speaker 5: I had a head injury and now I can't work,

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Speaker 5: four hundred and something dollars a week. I can't give

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Speaker 5: you the exact number, and they've made me drain all

439
00:21:03,373 --> 00:21:07,733
Speaker 5: my savings, all my keV savor everything, and I still

440
00:21:07,813 --> 00:21:09,933
Speaker 5: can barely get help even if I ring the bloody

441
00:21:09,933 --> 00:21:12,813
Speaker 5: phone line. If I'm like, oh, the four hundred and

442
00:21:12,893 --> 00:21:15,933
Speaker 5: eight dollars a week didn't cover my expenses this week,

443
00:21:16,413 --> 00:21:20,773
Speaker 5: I need some help with something, they go NAT and

444
00:21:21,093 --> 00:21:24,933
Speaker 5: I think that, you know, there should be a little

445
00:21:24,973 --> 00:21:27,893
Speaker 5: bit more help there for some people. I'm not saying

446
00:21:28,013 --> 00:21:31,453
Speaker 5: for everyone, but like I went from kind of zero

447
00:21:31,573 --> 00:21:37,013
Speaker 5: to hear our hero to zero very quickly, and there

448
00:21:37,173 --> 00:21:40,293
Speaker 5: was no help. Oh you've got money, spend that before

449
00:21:40,893 --> 00:21:44,253
Speaker 5: you get anything from us. And the four hundred odd

450
00:21:44,333 --> 00:21:47,293
Speaker 5: dollars a week that I get now doesn't even pay

451
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Speaker 5: for my water power and rates.

452
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Speaker 2: Bill now given after you. I'm sorry to hear about

453
00:21:54,413 --> 00:21:57,613
Speaker 2: your brain injury. That's that's that's really tragic, and all

454
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Speaker 2: the best with that. What kind of work are you

455
00:22:00,013 --> 00:22:02,333
Speaker 2: capable of doing? If you don't mind me asking.

456
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Speaker 5: At the moment, at the moment, I'm not able to

457
00:22:04,493 --> 00:22:07,573
Speaker 5: I'm not allowed to drive because I have seizures. I

458
00:22:07,693 --> 00:22:11,013
Speaker 5: can't go into a job because if someone goes, oh,

459
00:22:11,013 --> 00:22:12,532
Speaker 5: if he's going to have a seizure, I don't want

460
00:22:12,613 --> 00:22:16,333
Speaker 5: him because it could happen once a week, could have

461
00:22:16,413 --> 00:22:18,053
Speaker 5: been twice, we could have been three times a week.

462
00:22:18,093 --> 00:22:20,813
Speaker 5: We don't know when they're going to happen. Yeah, but

463
00:22:20,933 --> 00:22:23,973
Speaker 5: they're sort of on a weekly or bi weekly basis

464
00:22:24,013 --> 00:22:25,973
Speaker 5: that I will have one because of my head injury.

465
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Speaker 2: And so did did a CC come to help you

466
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Speaker 2: out at all?

467
00:22:32,293 --> 00:22:35,333
Speaker 5: Not at all? Their users of tips on a ball

468
00:22:35,733 --> 00:22:38,213
Speaker 5: if we're honest, can.

469
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Speaker 2: You do you mind us telling us Kevin, how the what?

470
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Speaker 2: What the details of the injury? I mean, you don't

471
00:22:43,213 --> 00:22:45,053
Speaker 2: have to, but just out of interest, for.

472
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Speaker 5: I was chasing my dog down the stairs and my

473
00:22:50,453 --> 00:22:54,373
Speaker 5: slipped on a lot on weak stairs and just went

474
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Speaker 5: backwards and banged.

475
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Speaker 4: Oh.

476
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Speaker 3: And so just going back to the ACC and clearly

477
00:22:59,893 --> 00:23:03,173
Speaker 3: you've had a fight with that organization. But that to

478
00:23:03,293 --> 00:23:05,773
Speaker 3: most people would be covered by a CC.

479
00:23:07,733 --> 00:23:11,532
Speaker 5: Yes, but they won't cover it because I already had

480
00:23:11,653 --> 00:23:16,893
Speaker 5: epilepsy prior, right, so my epilepsy was under control perfectly

481
00:23:16,973 --> 00:23:20,893
Speaker 5: fine for the last fifteen years. I'm only thirty five, like,

482
00:23:21,013 --> 00:23:24,573
Speaker 5: I'm not an old man. And because they said, oh

483
00:23:25,053 --> 00:23:28,613
Speaker 5: you're having more sieges, that's because of your head injury

484
00:23:29,253 --> 00:23:32,253
Speaker 5: pre existing condition. You already had epilepsy, so you had

485
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Speaker 5: sieges before that.

486
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Speaker 2: So, Gvin, you're now on a sickness benefit? Is that correct?

487
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Speaker 5: Yes? Well, no, no, no, no, they won't let that happen.

488
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Speaker 5: I'm on a job seeker benefit. They won't put me

489
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Speaker 5: on the sickness benefit. Although I go to my doctor

490
00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,253
Speaker 5: every three months and he gives me another two years.

491
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Speaker 5: They won't take that as gospel. They go, oh, well no,

492
00:23:56,133 --> 00:23:57,893
Speaker 5: in three months, you've got to go to your doctor again.

493
00:24:00,213 --> 00:24:00,933
Speaker 3: Well that's tough.

494
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Speaker 2: Here sounds like a very complicated situation, but.

495
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Speaker 5: They make it more difficult than it should be. I believe.

496
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Gavin, good luck to you. Yeah, incredibly complex

497
00:24:10,653 --> 00:24:12,973
Speaker 3: situation for Gavin, and all the best to my friends.

498
00:24:13,253 --> 00:24:15,213
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

499
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Speaker 3: to call. Plenty of texts coming through on nine to

500
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Speaker 3: nine two Giday, guys. I am on a job seeker

501
00:24:22,933 --> 00:24:25,933
Speaker 3: support in my early fifties in christ Church and have

502
00:24:26,773 --> 00:24:30,693
Speaker 3: been since April and have numerous vehicle licenses, including Class

503
00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:33,893
Speaker 3: two and four for twenty years and a CV with

504
00:24:34,053 --> 00:24:36,333
Speaker 3: four references on it. I've applied for at least eighty

505
00:24:36,453 --> 00:24:40,133
Speaker 3: jobs since with just one interview and unsuccessful and rang

506
00:24:40,173 --> 00:24:44,213
Speaker 3: the employer and they insinuated it was my age, thanks

507
00:24:44,253 --> 00:24:45,453
Speaker 3: from Derek. That is tough.

508
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Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty jobs and any what was it eighty eighty?

509
00:24:49,853 --> 00:24:52,973
Speaker 2: Here we go eighty applied for eighty jobs and only

510
00:24:53,053 --> 00:24:56,453
Speaker 2: got one interview. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I mean,

511
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Speaker 2: what can you do though? You can't really stop. You've

512
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Speaker 2: got to keep going. Yeah, You've got to keep applying

513
00:25:00,453 --> 00:25:00,813
Speaker 2: for jobs.

514
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Speaker 3: It is a sign of the times, isn't it. There's

515
00:25:02,413 --> 00:25:04,893
Speaker 3: a lot of people out there who are going through

516
00:25:04,973 --> 00:25:05,653
Speaker 3: that same thing.

517
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Speaker 5: I e.

518
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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

519
00:25:07,853 --> 00:25:10,693
Speaker 3: call at is twenty six minutes to two. Back Inamo,

520
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Speaker 3: you talk said the headlines.

521
00:25:16,093 --> 00:25:18,893
Speaker 12: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue

522
00:25:18,933 --> 00:25:23,053
Speaker 12: bubble or Black and Crusaders player sevu Reese says he

523
00:25:23,133 --> 00:25:25,773
Speaker 12: hasn't had a drink in more than a year. Name

524
00:25:25,893 --> 00:25:29,413
Speaker 12: suppression has lapsed today and has been discharged without conviction

525
00:25:29,853 --> 00:25:33,093
Speaker 12: after admitting a charge of wilful damage after a christ

526
00:25:33,213 --> 00:25:37,693
Speaker 12: Church Cup Day party last year. ACC has less than

527
00:25:37,813 --> 00:25:40,973
Speaker 12: half the money put aside needed to fund current long

528
00:25:41,093 --> 00:25:44,893
Speaker 12: term injury claims in future after a court ruling increase

529
00:25:44,933 --> 00:25:49,653
Speaker 12: sexual abuse compensation entitlements. Bad weather has halted the search

530
00:25:49,733 --> 00:25:52,853
Speaker 12: for three climbers from the US and Canada missing on

531
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Speaker 12: our Raqi Mount Cook. It's unlikely to resume the search,

532
00:25:56,893 --> 00:26:01,133
Speaker 12: that is until Thursday. Ten pilot whales stranded in Farewell

533
00:26:01,213 --> 00:26:04,093
Speaker 12: spit since yesterday and our floating in one point five

534
00:26:04,173 --> 00:26:06,973
Speaker 12: meters of water but don't seem to want to move.

535
00:26:07,493 --> 00:26:09,733
Speaker 12: Doc says teams will follow them as they move out

536
00:26:09,773 --> 00:26:13,533
Speaker 12: with the tide and direct them towards open sea. In

537
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Speaker 12: New Zealand's warning of domestic disruption as it cuts back

538
00:26:17,173 --> 00:26:20,733
Speaker 12: seats by two percent between February and June next year,

539
00:26:21,653 --> 00:26:25,453
Speaker 12: commo's commission calls out Contact and Nova for marketing ploy

540
00:26:25,653 --> 00:26:26,493
Speaker 12: You can find out.

541
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Speaker 2: More at enzid Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

542
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty two minutes to two.

543
00:26:32,933 --> 00:26:36,253
Speaker 3: We're talking about the changes to the job Seek benefits.

544
00:26:36,573 --> 00:26:39,293
Speaker 3: There's been quite an increase in the number of people

545
00:26:39,373 --> 00:26:42,893
Speaker 3: on that benefit in the September quarter up eight thousands,

546
00:26:43,493 --> 00:26:47,613
Speaker 3: and the government introducing new changes effectively wrap around support

547
00:26:47,693 --> 00:26:49,933
Speaker 3: to try and get more people off that job seeker

548
00:26:49,973 --> 00:26:51,133
Speaker 3: benefit and into work.

549
00:26:51,333 --> 00:26:53,253
Speaker 2: So the case manager and job seek will be required

550
00:26:53,293 --> 00:26:55,413
Speaker 2: to come up with a personalized plan, including an a

551
00:26:55,453 --> 00:26:58,573
Speaker 2: greed set of actions and timeline for their completion. Many

552
00:26:58,613 --> 00:27:00,693
Speaker 2: of those who are at risk of long term wealthare

553
00:27:00,693 --> 00:27:03,933
Speaker 2: dependency have complex backgrounds and may require more help to

554
00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:09,893
Speaker 2: address all the issues affecting their employability as the thoughts

555
00:27:09,933 --> 00:27:14,613
Speaker 2: that are coming through here from the government, and you know,

556
00:27:14,773 --> 00:27:16,973
Speaker 2: so that you know the cause we're getting here is

557
00:27:17,093 --> 00:27:20,853
Speaker 2: that every situation is incredibly complex. We've got Gavin who

558
00:27:20,973 --> 00:27:25,173
Speaker 2: was just run through before, who has suffered from epilepsy

559
00:27:25,293 --> 00:27:27,293
Speaker 2: and then hits his head and as a result can't

560
00:27:27,333 --> 00:27:31,693
Speaker 2: get acc someone takes through here, Gavin's situation isn't complicated.

561
00:27:31,733 --> 00:27:35,493
Speaker 2: It's simply another example of quasi corporate government. I mean,

562
00:27:35,693 --> 00:27:37,573
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm not an euroscientist. I'm want to

563
00:27:37,573 --> 00:27:40,813
Speaker 2: say someone with hitting their head and starting to have

564
00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:44,373
Speaker 2: more seizures than usual is pretty complicated.

565
00:27:44,533 --> 00:27:46,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I.

566
00:27:46,493 --> 00:27:48,413
Speaker 2: Think it's a fair statement to say that's complicated.

567
00:27:48,613 --> 00:27:51,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it kind of you know, obviously, Gavin's

568
00:27:51,093 --> 00:27:53,693
Speaker 3: situation is far more complicated than a lot of people

569
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:56,813
Speaker 3: on the job seek a benefit. And I mentioned before

570
00:27:56,813 --> 00:27:58,173
Speaker 3: when I was on it for a couple of months

571
00:27:58,213 --> 00:28:00,733
Speaker 3: after the GFC I was made redundant. Would this have

572
00:28:00,853 --> 00:28:03,292
Speaker 3: helped me? Perhaps not, but I like it. I mean

573
00:28:03,373 --> 00:28:05,693
Speaker 3: maybe it would have that if it was personalized and say,

574
00:28:05,773 --> 00:28:08,133
Speaker 3: hey Tyler, we can see that you've got this degree,

575
00:28:08,413 --> 00:28:11,013
Speaker 3: here are where your skills lie. We're going to try

576
00:28:11,053 --> 00:28:13,973
Speaker 3: and help you find a job in that arena.

577
00:28:14,973 --> 00:28:15,133
Speaker 4: Help.

578
00:28:15,253 --> 00:28:17,173
Speaker 2: You can see the logic to it, can't you. So

579
00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:20,093
Speaker 2: job plans will dig deeper than someone's previous work experience

580
00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:22,973
Speaker 2: and availability, giving them a proper assessment of their needs

581
00:28:23,053 --> 00:28:26,973
Speaker 2: and structure they need to address their risk factors. So

582
00:28:27,213 --> 00:28:29,373
Speaker 2: currently one percent of jobs seekers are in the red

583
00:28:29,413 --> 00:28:31,733
Speaker 2: level of the traploic system, with more than ninety eight

584
00:28:31,733 --> 00:28:33,653
Speaker 2: percent and the green level. So the red level is

585
00:28:33,693 --> 00:28:37,933
Speaker 2: when you're in danger of having sanctions. But I mean

586
00:28:38,813 --> 00:28:40,933
Speaker 2: there's sort of a chicken and egg situation because when

587
00:28:40,973 --> 00:28:44,173
Speaker 2: the economy is good, then jobs are easier to find.

588
00:28:44,773 --> 00:28:48,973
Speaker 2: And you know, there's an argument that some in some

589
00:28:49,213 --> 00:28:52,013
Speaker 2: economic situations no matter what you do, certain people aren't

590
00:28:52,013 --> 00:28:55,693
Speaker 2: going to be able to find work right. But for

591
00:28:55,813 --> 00:28:59,973
Speaker 2: people's own mental health and their own well being, isn't

592
00:28:59,973 --> 00:29:02,053
Speaker 2: it better that there's people reaching out to you. So

593
00:29:02,173 --> 00:29:08,173
Speaker 2: currently there's ten thousand you know, consultants consultations happening on

594
00:29:08,213 --> 00:29:11,933
Speaker 2: the phone. So up to Upstince said the Ministry of

595
00:29:11,973 --> 00:29:15,133
Speaker 2: Social Development was now offering phone based case management to

596
00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:17,773
Speaker 2: ten thousand people and they would be the first to

597
00:29:17,813 --> 00:29:21,653
Speaker 2: get an individual job brand isn't that better that you've

598
00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:24,373
Speaker 2: got a case manager talking to you on your phone

599
00:29:24,453 --> 00:29:28,573
Speaker 2: and trying to find a solution for you. Maybe in

600
00:29:29,173 --> 00:29:31,653
Speaker 2: actuality it doesn't work out like that, but in principle

601
00:29:32,133 --> 00:29:33,813
Speaker 2: that seems the right thing to do. And we all

602
00:29:33,853 --> 00:29:36,493
Speaker 2: know that bureaucy goes a certain way, and there's better

603
00:29:36,813 --> 00:29:41,093
Speaker 2: case managers than they're not than others, and some of

604
00:29:41,133 --> 00:29:44,093
Speaker 2: it becomes just box ticking, but the general idea of

605
00:29:44,133 --> 00:29:48,013
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. Isn't it that people would work individually

606
00:29:48,093 --> 00:29:53,893
Speaker 2: and cater their plan to each person's specific situation, including

607
00:29:53,973 --> 00:29:58,813
Speaker 2: their past run ins with the justice system, et cetera.

608
00:29:58,933 --> 00:30:03,773
Speaker 2: Doesn't that seem like, at the very base level, quite

609
00:30:03,813 --> 00:30:04,893
Speaker 2: a good thing to be trying to do.

610
00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:08,293
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with everything that you said and non principle, Yeah,

611
00:30:08,373 --> 00:30:10,413
Speaker 3: it's a fantastic idea that you get a phone call

612
00:30:10,493 --> 00:30:13,173
Speaker 3: from someone who's competent at WINS and looks at your

613
00:30:13,293 --> 00:30:16,933
Speaker 3: CV and says, hey, you've got some great skills and

614
00:30:17,013 --> 00:30:19,853
Speaker 3: areas where and we know that there's some jobs about

615
00:30:19,893 --> 00:30:22,493
Speaker 3: to come to the table. Because WINS gets heads up

616
00:30:22,533 --> 00:30:25,973
Speaker 3: from some employers, then they give you everything that you

617
00:30:26,133 --> 00:30:27,933
Speaker 3: need to try and get that job. But that's all

618
00:30:28,013 --> 00:30:30,493
Speaker 3: I'm questioning. Is that the case for those on the

619
00:30:30,573 --> 00:30:31,853
Speaker 3: job seeker benefit?

620
00:30:31,933 --> 00:30:32,093
Speaker 4: Now?

621
00:30:32,213 --> 00:30:34,013
Speaker 3: I hope it is. I really hope it is. But

622
00:30:34,093 --> 00:30:35,733
Speaker 3: that is what I'm asking now, if you're on the

623
00:30:35,813 --> 00:30:38,253
Speaker 3: job seeker benefit, is that what you're seeing?

624
00:30:38,293 --> 00:30:38,773
Speaker 2: If you're a.

625
00:30:38,853 --> 00:30:42,133
Speaker 3: Skilled person and you've got skills and areas where there

626
00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:44,413
Speaker 3: probably are jobs in some parts of the country, are

627
00:30:44,453 --> 00:30:45,773
Speaker 3: you getting that assistance now?

628
00:30:46,133 --> 00:30:46,333
Speaker 4: Yeah?

629
00:30:46,493 --> 00:30:49,773
Speaker 2: And are you being And I guess there are questions

630
00:30:49,813 --> 00:30:50,693
Speaker 2: like are you willing to move?

631
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

632
00:30:51,453 --> 00:30:53,853
Speaker 2: Because if you're not, then that puts you in an

633
00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:56,413
Speaker 2: interesting category, a slightly different category from someone that will

634
00:30:56,413 --> 00:30:58,413
Speaker 2: do anything to get a job. But I'm my question

635
00:30:58,533 --> 00:31:04,373
Speaker 2: for you, Tyler, is do you think that this is okay?

636
00:31:04,493 --> 00:31:07,013
Speaker 2: How do I put this are how much do you

637
00:31:07,133 --> 00:31:10,013
Speaker 2: think that the government and the country owes you to

638
00:31:10,093 --> 00:31:11,693
Speaker 2: find you a job? And how much do you think

639
00:31:11,733 --> 00:31:13,653
Speaker 2: it's your job to find a job? If you know

640
00:31:13,693 --> 00:31:17,413
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, it's good on a percentage, Well, just

641
00:31:17,773 --> 00:31:19,573
Speaker 2: your thoughts on it. Really, So, when you were on

642
00:31:19,653 --> 00:31:21,853
Speaker 2: the job seeker benefit, how much of it did you

643
00:31:21,973 --> 00:31:27,133
Speaker 2: think was the responsibility of your case worker and WINS

644
00:31:28,013 --> 00:31:30,373
Speaker 2: to find you the job and help to facilitate you

645
00:31:30,453 --> 00:31:31,973
Speaker 2: through the job. And you talked about how they sent

646
00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:34,133
Speaker 2: you with a stupid EXCEL course that you didn't think

647
00:31:34,173 --> 00:31:36,413
Speaker 2: help you at all. How much of that did you

648
00:31:36,533 --> 00:31:38,373
Speaker 2: think was there responsibility and how much of it did

649
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:40,253
Speaker 2: you think was your responsibility to find the job.

650
00:31:40,413 --> 00:31:43,773
Speaker 3: It's a great question. I thought one hundred percent my responsibility.

651
00:31:43,813 --> 00:31:46,213
Speaker 3: And when they sent me to that EXL course, I thought,

652
00:31:46,293 --> 00:31:49,093
Speaker 3: this is a joke, this is just ticking a box.

653
00:31:49,213 --> 00:31:51,093
Speaker 3: The only way I'm going to find a job is

654
00:31:51,213 --> 00:31:52,533
Speaker 3: doing it myself and getting out there.

655
00:31:52,573 --> 00:31:52,933
Speaker 13: And I did.

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Speaker 3: I'm dozens of applications. I got lucky within a couple

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Speaker 3: of months. But to the point I'm trying to make

658
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Speaker 3: is I thought that was a waste of my time.

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Speaker 3: That time was better spend getting you know, getting down

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Speaker 3: to businesses, knocking on doors and presenting my CV. Instead,

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00:32:09,013 --> 00:32:11,853
Speaker 3: they wanted to send me to courses that I didn't

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Speaker 3: need to go to, to tick a box to make

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Speaker 3: sure I was still getting that benefit. Well, that is

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Speaker 3: the distinction.

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Speaker 2: This person is disagreeing with me that I think that

666
00:32:18,293 --> 00:32:21,493
Speaker 2: the intention is good here by saying no, man, this

667
00:32:21,693 --> 00:32:24,093
Speaker 2: is designed to kick you off by putting time limits

668
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Speaker 2: on unreasonable tasks and any and every little thing. So

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Speaker 2: that's the opinion that some people have that the whole

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Speaker 2: thing's set up. It's not as a way to work

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Speaker 2: with the case manager to find what you need to

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Speaker 2: get a job. Some people say it's a plan to

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00:32:40,173 --> 00:32:43,093
Speaker 2: come up with a bunch of hurdles that people can't

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Speaker 2: get over so they can get.

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Speaker 3: Kicked off potentially.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Well. Good discussion O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: is a numbered call. We've got some messages to plan,

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00:32:51,493 --> 00:32:53,093
Speaker 3: then we'll get back to your phone calls. It is

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Speaker 3: a quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

682
00:32:58,533 --> 00:33:02,213
Speaker 1: everything in between. That Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four used talk said, be.

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Speaker 3: It is thirteen to two.

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Speaker 2: I'm still thinking about that call from Savannah where she's

686
00:33:09,693 --> 00:33:12,253
Speaker 2: got her house in the neighbor's house burnt down. She's

687
00:33:12,293 --> 00:33:14,813
Speaker 2: been injured running in to get her dog out and

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00:33:14,853 --> 00:33:17,773
Speaker 2: that stopped and making it to her case manager meeting

689
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Speaker 2: and she's been kicked off doll for that and she's

690
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Speaker 2: held up at gunpoint. There's a lot going on there.

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Speaker 3: We've had some complicated scenarios. That's your Josh, how are

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Speaker 3: you my friend?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: Hey, boys house gone?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Good?

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Speaker 3: Now you've recently joined the que have you for job seeker?

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Speaker 14: Yeah? May I'm in the confessional now, No, yes, I have. Unfortunately,

699
00:33:39,493 --> 00:33:44,093
Speaker 14: there was restructuring going on at work and yeah, and

700
00:33:44,973 --> 00:33:48,973
Speaker 14: I sort of got the short straw there and yeah,

701
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Speaker 14: so now I'm on the hunt. But hey, what I

702
00:33:51,133 --> 00:33:57,253
Speaker 14: find interesting is the emails of declining of jobs is

703
00:33:57,373 --> 00:34:00,773
Speaker 14: saying you're too qualified for this kind of work. We

704
00:34:00,973 --> 00:34:03,133
Speaker 14: are only looking for this kind of person.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, I'm getting a lot of that.

706
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Speaker 14: I'm getting a lot of these offers around temporary casual

707
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Speaker 14: contracts too, which I'd like to just mention these contracts

708
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Speaker 14: I'm afraid to sign because if I sign a temporary

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Speaker 14: contract for what they call an agency, I can't sign

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Speaker 14: up for permanent work in my field for three years

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Speaker 14: with any other business. So I'm sort of like I'm

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Speaker 14: stuck because the jobs that I'm looking at start in

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Speaker 14: January February, and all the jobs I can find now

714
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Speaker 14: are temporary casual. If I sign an agreement with their company,

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Speaker 14: it's going to block me from getting my job in February.

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Speaker 2: Josh, you don't mind me if you don't mind me

717
00:34:50,693 --> 00:34:53,692
Speaker 2: asking what sort of area you're working? Are you looking

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Speaker 2: to work in or did you.

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Speaker 14: I work and mental health. I've been a support worker

720
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Speaker 14: for about five years, and yeah, so I'm looking at

721
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Speaker 14: either support work or even like orderly type positions and hospitals,

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Speaker 14: things like that, care at jobs, things like that.

723
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Speaker 2: And there is And that's that's interesting because I just

724
00:35:18,853 --> 00:35:22,573
Speaker 2: thought that we were we didn't have enough of people

725
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Speaker 2: like yourself for the demand.

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Speaker 14: That's right, But unfortunately we have funding, right, and those

727
00:35:32,053 --> 00:35:35,893
Speaker 14: funding going cycles, and when they run out of money,

728
00:35:35,933 --> 00:35:37,893
Speaker 14: they're just like, well, hey, look we could get rid

729
00:35:37,933 --> 00:35:40,133
Speaker 14: of Josh, and then we could get two people. Yeah,

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Speaker 14: they's a solid idea and that's what you get. So

731
00:35:45,173 --> 00:35:49,853
Speaker 14: unfortunately that stuff happens. You know, they're trying to find

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Speaker 14: cares for under thirty dollars an hour, and I just

733
00:35:53,893 --> 00:35:59,212
Speaker 14: can't afford to live on less than thirty dollars an hour.

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Speaker 14: So it's unfortunate. And what they're doing is that they're

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Speaker 14: actually they're actually putting people that are not qualified into

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Speaker 14: caring positions. I don't know where the.

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Speaker 4: Stuff.

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Speaker 14: It's the fan over that at some point, and yeah,

739
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Speaker 14: like I say, hey, look, I would happily do casual

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Speaker 14: work between now and February, but I'm not going to

741
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Speaker 14: block myself from getting a permanent position with a permanent

742
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Speaker 14: contract because I've signed something with another company and then

743
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Speaker 14: they're going to pay thousands. They actually, if you decide that,

744
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Speaker 14: like as an example, you did sign that temporary contract

745
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Speaker 14: and you did find a permanent job saying in a hospital,

746
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Speaker 14: you would have to convince your employer to pay that

747
00:36:47,933 --> 00:36:51,613
Speaker 14: company out or they can find the company can find

748
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Speaker 14: who hires you, which is ridiculous. I just think that's

749
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Speaker 14: a monopoly on employers on employees. And yeah, I don't

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Speaker 14: think we should be forcing people into temporary casual contracts

751
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Speaker 14: either actually with those kind of problems associated with the

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Speaker 14: with the contracts as.

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Speaker 2: Are you so you well, well you're trying to work

754
00:37:19,693 --> 00:37:22,613
Speaker 2: on the other you know, finding a job in the

755
00:37:22,693 --> 00:37:25,613
Speaker 2: field that you're trained for and best of luck with that.

756
00:37:25,893 --> 00:37:28,973
Speaker 2: Are you looking for work in other areas?

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00:37:30,293 --> 00:37:32,853
Speaker 14: Oh, mate, I haven't had a crystal soft in six years.

758
00:37:33,133 --> 00:37:36,533
Speaker 14: So to be honest with you, like I'll do landscaping,

759
00:37:36,693 --> 00:37:39,973
Speaker 14: I could do anything you know on which I which

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00:37:40,053 --> 00:37:43,533
Speaker 14: I have done a couple of small jobs, but I

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Speaker 14: don't want to sign any contract that locks me into

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Speaker 14: a position where I can't work for a proper job

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Speaker 14: when they come up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Josh, all the best of your mate, and thanks

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Speaker 3: for giving us a call. Well eight one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty teen eighty is the number to call Keen to

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00:37:58,493 --> 00:38:00,173
Speaker 3: hear from you on this one as well. It is

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Speaker 3: eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Tyner Adams speaking your calls on oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: even Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks it be it is five minutes to two.

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Speaker 3: A couple of texts came through A nine two nine

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Speaker 3: to two ghetto matt and Tyler. While Savannah may be

774
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Speaker 3: telling the truth of the side of hyperbole. At times,

775
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Speaker 3: her story shows that the system is too linear, the

776
00:38:28,493 --> 00:38:31,093
Speaker 3: one size fits all approach which we see in so

777
00:38:31,173 --> 00:38:34,493
Speaker 3: many other sectors around our Teeroa farming, for example, shows

778
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Speaker 3: the inability to empathize with people who find find themselves

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Speaker 3: on hard times.

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Speaker 2: And this other text there on nine two nine says,

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Speaker 2: to be honest, if you've continue talking to Savannah, a

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Speaker 2: purple dringer breathing a purple dragon breathing candy floss smoke,

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Speaker 2: would have also sorry, would have also adducted her dog.

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Speaker 2: Can can't help some people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well, that's been an enlightening discussion, I've got

786
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Speaker 3: to say, Matt. I mean, the proof will be in

787
00:39:00,613 --> 00:39:01,933
Speaker 3: the pudding at the end of the day, when it

788
00:39:02,013 --> 00:39:05,652
Speaker 3: comes to whether these new restrictions will get more people

789
00:39:05,693 --> 00:39:07,373
Speaker 3: off the jobs that could benefit I think that's what

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Speaker 3: we all want, will want more people into jobs, and

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Speaker 3: we want them to not have hurdles put in front

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I honestly think that the intention here

794
00:39:17,853 --> 00:39:22,853
Speaker 2: is to actually help people by catering their advice and

795
00:39:23,653 --> 00:39:27,093
Speaker 2: to getting people back into work. But the actuality of

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00:39:27,173 --> 00:39:30,173
Speaker 2: it might be very different, and it turns out that

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00:39:30,293 --> 00:39:32,172
Speaker 2: when the economy is going really well, it's a lot

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00:39:32,253 --> 00:39:34,573
Speaker 2: easier to get people into jobs. And when the economy

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Speaker 2: is going.

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Speaker 3: Poorly, yeah, absolutely survive until twenty five, as they say.

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Speaker 3: Right after two o'clock, we want to talk about wearables.

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00:39:41,613 --> 00:39:44,413
Speaker 3: These are your apple watches and your fitbits and the

803
00:39:44,533 --> 00:39:47,212
Speaker 3: aura rings bit of concern from doctors in the UK

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00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:50,933
Speaker 3: and the US about over reliance on that data in

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00:39:51,093 --> 00:39:53,293
Speaker 3: your day to day lives. So the question we want

806
00:39:53,333 --> 00:39:55,893
Speaker 3: to put you is are they beneficial to your health?

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00:39:56,413 --> 00:39:56,613
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So they think they're concerned that everyone's monitoring themselves constantly

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00:39:59,733 --> 00:40:04,053
Speaker 2: as creating hypochondriacs that are turning into Google Doctor, but

810
00:40:04,213 --> 00:40:06,573
Speaker 2: also having their full analysis on them all the time.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that. I'm a big fan of

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Speaker 2: my Apple Watch.

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00:40:10,813 --> 00:40:13,293
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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00:40:13,373 --> 00:40:15,652
Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two is the text number. You're listening

815
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Speaker 3: to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon to you.

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Speaker 1: Your new home for insightful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

817
00:40:23,773 --> 00:40:27,293
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talk Savvy.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Seven pass too, right, let's have a chat about wearables.

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Speaker 3: These are your Apple watches, your fitbits, your Aura rings.

821
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Speaker 3: I think they are in the country now. This is

822
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Speaker 3: on the back of a story in the BBC. So

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Speaker 3: wearable tech, currently dominated by smart watches, is a multi

824
00:40:46,133 --> 00:40:48,653
Speaker 3: billion dollar industry, as most of us know, with a

825
00:40:48,693 --> 00:40:51,653
Speaker 3: sharp focus on health tracking. It's been huge over the

826
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Speaker 3: past five years. Many premium products claim to accurately track

827
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Speaker 3: exercise routines, body temperature, heart rates, menstrual cycle and sleep patterns,

828
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Speaker 3: among others, for many doctors and tech experts remaining cautious

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Speaker 3: about using health data captured these wearables. So Doctor Jake

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Speaker 3: dush he's a US based clinician but also advisors AURA,

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00:41:16,013 --> 00:41:20,373
Speaker 3: says wearable data enables him to assess overall health more precisely,

832
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:24,293
Speaker 3: but not all doctors agree that it's genuinely useful all

833
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Speaker 3: of the time. Doctor Halen Salisbury, she's a GP at

834
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Speaker 3: a busy practice in Oxford in the UK. She says

835
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Speaker 3: not many patients come in brandishing their wearables, but she's

836
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Speaker 3: noticed that has increased and it does concern her. She says,

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Speaker 3: I quote, I think for the number of times when

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Speaker 3: it is useful there's probably more times that it's not

839
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:44,493
Speaker 3: terribly useful, and I worry that we are building a

840
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Speaker 3: society of hypochondria and over monitoring our bodies. It's a

841
00:41:49,333 --> 00:41:50,373
Speaker 3: big call from a doctor.

842
00:41:50,533 --> 00:41:53,053
Speaker 2: Well, doctor, it's my body. I'll monitor any part of

843
00:41:53,093 --> 00:41:54,613
Speaker 2: it I want get out.

844
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Speaker 3: You're loving your new Apple Watch. It is one of

845
00:41:56,773 --> 00:41:57,933
Speaker 3: the new models, isn't it.

846
00:41:58,693 --> 00:42:00,573
Speaker 2: I'm monitoring something right now. I'm not sure what it is,

847
00:42:00,653 --> 00:42:02,373
Speaker 2: but in five seconds it's going to tell me something

848
00:42:02,373 --> 00:42:03,013
Speaker 2: about myself.

849
00:42:03,093 --> 00:42:04,172
Speaker 3: Oh is this the breath work?

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00:42:04,293 --> 00:42:07,613
Speaker 2: Is it poor recording? Your ECG couldn't be checked for

851
00:42:08,373 --> 00:42:11,213
Speaker 2: a trual fribillation due to the quality of the recording.

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00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:12,813
Speaker 2: Will still be saved?

853
00:42:12,973 --> 00:42:14,173
Speaker 3: And what does the ECG do?

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00:42:14,413 --> 00:42:14,733
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:15,853
Speaker 5: It's me.

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00:42:16,173 --> 00:42:18,453
Speaker 2: I'm going to use them monitoring, but I don't use

857
00:42:18,533 --> 00:42:21,573
Speaker 2: that for that. I mean, I mean, like say, say,

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00:42:21,733 --> 00:42:24,333
Speaker 2: you know, and there's different levels of these wearables, right,

859
00:42:24,373 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 2: and the different things that they can do, like this

860
00:42:27,533 --> 00:42:30,253
Speaker 2: the Apple Watch heart rate and the regular rhythm rhythm

861
00:42:30,333 --> 00:42:33,652
Speaker 2: notifications that can do that for you. The ECG app

862
00:42:33,733 --> 00:42:35,773
Speaker 2: I just tried to run that but didn't work. Low

863
00:42:35,813 --> 00:42:40,613
Speaker 2: cardio fitness notifications, blood oxygen level, full detection. Fall detections are,

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Speaker 2: for god, a good one. Mine always tells me that

865
00:42:42,293 --> 00:42:44,013
Speaker 2: I've fallen over if I'm trying to I was trying

866
00:42:44,053 --> 00:42:47,333
Speaker 2: to change some Christmas lights today and it started going emergency.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't it call one one one when you fall over?

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Speaker 3: Is that part of the deal?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, My dad's My dad's got this whole new system

870
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Speaker 2: set up that will call me and my sisters if

871
00:42:58,493 --> 00:43:01,893
Speaker 2: anything goes wrong. It actually called at his brother's adth

872
00:43:01,933 --> 00:43:04,373
Speaker 2: when my cousin Peter gave him too big a hug

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Speaker 2: and that fired off to everyone.

874
00:43:07,173 --> 00:43:08,013
Speaker 3: I was a strong hugger.

875
00:43:08,053 --> 00:43:10,853
Speaker 2: But I don't mind have been caleirated that carefully I want.

876
00:43:11,333 --> 00:43:14,133
Speaker 2: I don't mind being woken up when when something weird's happened.

877
00:43:14,173 --> 00:43:16,293
Speaker 2: That isn't my dad in trouble for the for the

878
00:43:16,373 --> 00:43:18,853
Speaker 2: one time that the phone call comes through and ears

879
00:43:18,893 --> 00:43:21,173
Speaker 2: in trouble obviously, like anyone would be doing that. But

880
00:43:21,213 --> 00:43:23,133
Speaker 2: that's that's a different type of thing. I don't know.

881
00:43:23,213 --> 00:43:25,253
Speaker 2: I think these things are These things are fantastic. I

882
00:43:25,293 --> 00:43:28,093
Speaker 2: think being aware of your health is a really really

883
00:43:28,173 --> 00:43:30,853
Speaker 2: good thing, isn't it. So this doctor's worry that we're

884
00:43:30,853 --> 00:43:33,813
Speaker 2: going to have hypercontracts we've already got hyperchondriacs. Hyperchondriacs are

885
00:43:33,813 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 2: going to be hyperchondriax and a little bit more information

886
00:43:37,893 --> 00:43:40,093
Speaker 2: on what's happening in your life. But I think most

887
00:43:40,133 --> 00:43:42,813
Speaker 2: people use these wearables like a fitbit or Apple Watch,

888
00:43:42,933 --> 00:43:44,652
Speaker 2: just to count how many steps they do in a day,

889
00:43:44,693 --> 00:43:47,293
Speaker 2: to see how active they are, or my Apple Watch

890
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:49,253
Speaker 2: will tell me when I've been sitting down for too long.

891
00:43:49,653 --> 00:43:52,693
Speaker 2: And one of the biggest things that's happened to us

892
00:43:52,773 --> 00:43:54,453
Speaker 2: in recent years, and one of the reasons why we're

893
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:59,133
Speaker 2: we're having problems with fitness and obesity and stuff, is

894
00:43:59,213 --> 00:44:01,253
Speaker 2: we go into a completely vegetative state. We're sitting on

895
00:44:01,293 --> 00:44:04,733
Speaker 2: the couch and we're watching Netflix or watching Netflix on

896
00:44:04,773 --> 00:44:06,973
Speaker 2: a on a laptop, and we just don't move at all.

897
00:44:07,013 --> 00:44:08,853
Speaker 2: We don't even get up to change throte, we don't

898
00:44:08,893 --> 00:44:11,093
Speaker 2: do anything at all, and as a result, we just

899
00:44:11,173 --> 00:44:15,212
Speaker 2: have metabolism slows right down. But standing up even once

900
00:44:15,253 --> 00:44:18,853
Speaker 2: an hour is hugely beneficial for you. Right, So this

901
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:22,053
Speaker 2: isn't high level technology. It's just a timer that goes

902
00:44:22,093 --> 00:44:23,813
Speaker 2: off about once an hour and says stand up.

903
00:44:24,013 --> 00:44:26,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, Is that why you keep getting up every every hour?

904
00:44:26,773 --> 00:44:28,093
Speaker 3: Just having a week water around.

905
00:44:28,093 --> 00:44:30,293
Speaker 2: I'm trying to watch trying to complete my rings. Mate.

906
00:44:30,613 --> 00:44:32,493
Speaker 3: The one thing I got obsessed with when I have

907
00:44:32,573 --> 00:44:33,973
Speaker 3: my Apple Watch and I've still got it, but i

908
00:44:34,053 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 3: haven't worn it since I've been in Auckland. I've got

909
00:44:35,973 --> 00:44:38,573
Speaker 3: to be honest. My health is probably taken a downturn

910
00:44:38,733 --> 00:44:40,653
Speaker 3: in the past three months since I've been here. But

911
00:44:41,013 --> 00:44:42,773
Speaker 3: the one thing I got obsessed with. They call it

912
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:45,053
Speaker 3: VO two max and it's measured by you Apple Watch.

913
00:44:45,333 --> 00:44:47,293
Speaker 3: And I only got obsessed by that because the doctor

914
00:44:47,333 --> 00:44:50,453
Speaker 3: has name's Peter Attia, quite a renowned doctor, written a

915
00:44:50,493 --> 00:44:53,013
Speaker 3: lot of books. But he said that is the one

916
00:44:53,093 --> 00:44:56,373
Speaker 3: measure that is most important when assessing your longevity. And

917
00:44:56,493 --> 00:44:58,533
Speaker 3: I took that to hard and started watching this VO

918
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:01,333
Speaker 3: two max and it didn't change at all. It went

919
00:45:01,613 --> 00:45:03,853
Speaker 3: hard for some a month. What is VO two max

920
00:45:03,933 --> 00:45:07,053
Speaker 3: The amount of oxygen that you can retain in your lung,

921
00:45:07,253 --> 00:45:09,093
Speaker 3: so it's kind of like your fitness level. But I

922
00:45:09,293 --> 00:45:11,933
Speaker 3: worked on that for six months, thinking why the hell

923
00:45:12,173 --> 00:45:14,333
Speaker 3: is my VO two max actually going backwards? I was

924
00:45:14,453 --> 00:45:17,013
Speaker 3: running every day, climbing hills. Then I went to go

925
00:45:17,133 --> 00:45:21,053
Speaker 3: get it tested at a proper clinic and turned out

926
00:45:21,253 --> 00:45:23,773
Speaker 3: was actually pretty good, so my watch was in accurately measuring.

927
00:45:23,853 --> 00:45:25,653
Speaker 2: So the VO two max is the number that describes

928
00:45:25,733 --> 00:45:29,133
Speaker 2: your cardio respiratory fitness. It's a single number that captures

929
00:45:29,173 --> 00:45:31,813
Speaker 2: your heart, lungs, circle of your system and muscle cells

930
00:45:31,933 --> 00:45:34,373
Speaker 2: working independently and together. And your phone was telling you

931
00:45:34,413 --> 00:45:36,133
Speaker 2: it wasn't changing. But it turned out you were sweet ass.

932
00:45:36,253 --> 00:45:38,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was frustrating, as my VO two was pretty

933
00:45:38,733 --> 00:45:40,853
Speaker 3: good by the time I measured it properly. But the

934
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:43,293
Speaker 3: fact that I got so obsessed by that number and

935
00:45:43,373 --> 00:45:45,933
Speaker 3: looking the weed track and the graph and it ended

936
00:45:46,013 --> 00:45:48,573
Speaker 3: up going down even though I was running every day,

937
00:45:48,693 --> 00:45:51,933
Speaker 3: climbing up bills, that was just something that I took

938
00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:52,893
Speaker 3: far too seriously.

939
00:45:52,933 --> 00:45:55,853
Speaker 2: I would love to hear from people also, you know,

940
00:45:56,573 --> 00:46:01,573
Speaker 2: trainers and doctors and people that are using these weariables,

941
00:46:01,613 --> 00:46:04,493
Speaker 2: whether it is making you healthier, whether it is making

942
00:46:04,533 --> 00:46:07,893
Speaker 2: you paranoid, whether you're becoming a hypochondriac but because of it,

943
00:46:08,453 --> 00:46:12,573
Speaker 2: whether you're seeing genuine benefits. Because I certainly know a

944
00:46:12,613 --> 00:46:14,133
Speaker 2: lot of people that are counting their steps a lot,

945
00:46:14,173 --> 00:46:15,213
Speaker 2: but they don't seem very healthy.

946
00:46:15,893 --> 00:46:16,093
Speaker 14: Yeah.

947
00:46:16,293 --> 00:46:17,933
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're counting your steps to the pub

948
00:46:18,293 --> 00:46:22,093
Speaker 2: and then pounding a bunch of beers and slamming some chips.

949
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:24,213
Speaker 2: Then those steps aren't great steps.

950
00:46:24,293 --> 00:46:26,093
Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing as well, because of those rings.

951
00:46:26,133 --> 00:46:28,093
Speaker 3: I know people that would sit on a couch and

952
00:46:28,293 --> 00:46:31,773
Speaker 3: bang their rest up and down just to increase their

953
00:46:31,813 --> 00:46:34,773
Speaker 3: so called steps to have their rings. That's what a

954
00:46:34,853 --> 00:46:35,133
Speaker 3: god to.

955
00:46:35,413 --> 00:46:39,453
Speaker 2: That's a psychopath. So they think they're fooling themselves.

956
00:46:39,253 --> 00:46:40,933
Speaker 3: Now and they're just trying to clear their rings.

957
00:46:40,973 --> 00:46:43,453
Speaker 2: So they do this, so they think multiple times, do

958
00:46:43,573 --> 00:46:45,893
Speaker 2: they take it in there that they're completing their rings

959
00:46:45,933 --> 00:46:52,252
Speaker 2: to impress their watch. So that's like, you know, that's

960
00:46:52,253 --> 00:46:54,333
Speaker 2: the weirdest woman of cheating I've ever heard. That's great though.

961
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:57,133
Speaker 3: On the oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've

962
00:46:57,133 --> 00:46:59,093
Speaker 3: got to wear able and Apple watch, has it been

963
00:46:59,173 --> 00:47:01,453
Speaker 3: beneficial to you and your overall health? Love to hear

964
00:47:01,493 --> 00:47:03,253
Speaker 3: from you. It is thirteen past two.

965
00:47:05,333 --> 00:47:10,053
Speaker 1: You're on new home of Afternoon Tormathen Adams Afternoon call,

966
00:47:10,253 --> 00:47:12,573
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

967
00:47:12,613 --> 00:47:16,733
Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past two. We're talking about wearables,

968
00:47:16,773 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 3: Apple watches, fit bits. There is concern from some doctors

969
00:47:19,933 --> 00:47:21,893
Speaker 3: in the UK and the US that we're building a

970
00:47:21,973 --> 00:47:25,733
Speaker 3: society of hypochondriacts because we're measuring everything, But have they

971
00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:28,933
Speaker 3: been beneficial for you and your health? Love to hear

972
00:47:28,973 --> 00:47:31,373
Speaker 3: from you on I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, So

973
00:47:31,653 --> 00:47:32,653
Speaker 3: how are you this afternoon?

974
00:47:33,333 --> 00:47:34,172
Speaker 15: So they're not too bad?

975
00:47:34,213 --> 00:47:34,773
Speaker 7: Thanks guys.

976
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:37,453
Speaker 15: Hey, look, I'll only take up for a second of

977
00:47:37,493 --> 00:47:39,373
Speaker 15: your time because it is a bit of the subject

978
00:47:39,413 --> 00:47:41,533
Speaker 15: as far as fitfits and things go, because I don't

979
00:47:41,573 --> 00:47:45,173
Speaker 15: have any of those those contractions. It was more comment

980
00:47:45,293 --> 00:47:48,773
Speaker 15: on doctors and basically how they really don't want you

981
00:47:49,013 --> 00:47:52,133
Speaker 15: to monitor your own health and sort of feel threatened

982
00:47:52,413 --> 00:47:55,693
Speaker 15: when you do so, because I've had a couple of

983
00:47:55,773 --> 00:47:58,893
Speaker 15: years of terrible, terrible health problems and basically given up

984
00:47:58,933 --> 00:48:01,053
Speaker 15: on sort of doctors because all they all they're trying

985
00:48:01,053 --> 00:48:03,613
Speaker 15: to do is medicate you. And you know, you go

986
00:48:03,693 --> 00:48:06,053
Speaker 15: in with a symptom and they'll medicate that symptom. I've

987
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,172
Speaker 15: done all my own research, I've done all my own

988
00:48:09,213 --> 00:48:11,413
Speaker 15: I've still got a way to go, but I'm getting there.

989
00:48:11,653 --> 00:48:13,613
Speaker 15: And if I listen to what doctors say, I just

990
00:48:13,693 --> 00:48:15,973
Speaker 15: be on painkillers for the rest of my life. They

991
00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:19,253
Speaker 15: really don't They just don't have the training and nutrition

992
00:48:19,453 --> 00:48:22,053
Speaker 15: or anything else, and they just don't want you to like,

993
00:48:22,253 --> 00:48:24,173
Speaker 15: you know, my doctor's not so bad. But some of

994
00:48:24,213 --> 00:48:26,013
Speaker 15: them just don't want you going in there with your own,

995
00:48:26,613 --> 00:48:29,493
Speaker 15: you know, information. They want to tell you that, you

996
00:48:29,533 --> 00:48:31,573
Speaker 15: know again, they don't like they don't like doctor Google.

997
00:48:31,653 --> 00:48:32,293
Speaker 13: They don't like you.

998
00:48:32,733 --> 00:48:36,573
Speaker 15: Coming in with your information and questioning them and doing

999
00:48:36,653 --> 00:48:39,053
Speaker 15: your own I don't think there's anything wrong with being

1000
00:48:39,093 --> 00:48:41,733
Speaker 15: a hypochondact. I mean, I'm a little bit obsessed with

1001
00:48:41,853 --> 00:48:43,333
Speaker 15: my numbers, with my blood numbers.

1002
00:48:43,373 --> 00:48:43,493
Speaker 7: You know.

1003
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:45,053
Speaker 15: I go and get all my blood tests. I pay

1004
00:48:45,133 --> 00:48:47,933
Speaker 15: for them because the doctors won't refer me. But you know,

1005
00:48:48,413 --> 00:48:50,893
Speaker 15: I wouldn't be my friend. I wouldn't be in the situation.

1006
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:54,373
Speaker 15: I am now feeling a hundred times better if I

1007
00:48:54,533 --> 00:48:55,013
Speaker 15: just did.

1008
00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:55,693
Speaker 16: What they told me to.

1009
00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:59,093
Speaker 15: You've got to look after yourself. They haven't got the time,

1010
00:48:59,173 --> 00:49:03,212
Speaker 15: the knowledge, the inclination in fifteen minutes to be doing

1011
00:49:03,253 --> 00:49:06,613
Speaker 15: all the tests that you need to be an optimal health.

1012
00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:09,693
Speaker 15: So I say all powered to you. You know you

1013
00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:12,933
Speaker 15: can get obsessed, but you're certainly not a hypochondriact. I

1014
00:49:13,093 --> 00:49:15,613
Speaker 15: just think, go for it. Just look after yourself. The

1015
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:19,653
Speaker 15: earlier the better, I you know, gosh, I'm paying for

1016
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:24,333
Speaker 15: bad behavior now and at fifty nine, I'm finally you know,

1017
00:49:24,573 --> 00:49:26,212
Speaker 15: working on myself. But it's about time.

1018
00:49:27,133 --> 00:49:27,293
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1019
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:29,293
Speaker 15: All I want to say about doctors, they really just

1020
00:49:29,533 --> 00:49:33,293
Speaker 15: they they do their six yies of training and doing

1021
00:49:33,453 --> 00:49:36,853
Speaker 15: nutrition in that time, and they they know a little

1022
00:49:36,893 --> 00:49:39,093
Speaker 15: bit about little you know, every part of the body.

1023
00:49:39,213 --> 00:49:42,013
Speaker 15: But I just think, take take your own health into

1024
00:49:42,053 --> 00:49:46,693
Speaker 15: your own hands and just heal yourself and monitor yourself

1025
00:49:46,893 --> 00:49:48,133
Speaker 15: and as soon as you start the better.

1026
00:49:48,533 --> 00:49:50,533
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for your call. So, I mean,

1027
00:49:50,613 --> 00:49:52,853
Speaker 2: it is a pretty crazy thing for this, these doctors

1028
00:49:52,893 --> 00:49:57,493
Speaker 2: to be saying that they don't want people monitoring themselves,

1029
00:49:58,133 --> 00:50:02,213
Speaker 2: because I mean, it's your heartbeat, it's your it's your everything,

1030
00:50:03,013 --> 00:50:08,133
Speaker 2: it's your ECG, it's your low cardio fitness notifications, as

1031
00:50:08,133 --> 00:50:11,013
Speaker 2: your blood level. You can monitor them if you want,

1032
00:50:11,093 --> 00:50:12,733
Speaker 2: and you happen to be if you happen to turn

1033
00:50:12,773 --> 00:50:14,573
Speaker 2: into a hypercontriac, that's your choice as well.

1034
00:50:14,773 --> 00:50:17,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard a lot of people that don't wear

1035
00:50:17,213 --> 00:50:19,333
Speaker 3: it to bed at night, and the reason they don't

1036
00:50:19,413 --> 00:50:21,333
Speaker 3: is because they worry that if they get a bad

1037
00:50:21,493 --> 00:50:24,573
Speaker 3: sleep score that is going to make their insomnia. Words

1038
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:26,732
Speaker 3: that they're going to look at that and start to worry, Say,

1039
00:50:26,933 --> 00:50:29,933
Speaker 3: cheap has only got five hours sleep last night, and

1040
00:50:30,053 --> 00:50:31,893
Speaker 3: that's going to be a bit of a snowball efect.

1041
00:50:31,973 --> 00:50:34,253
Speaker 3: You don't wear yours to be at an idea, No, no,

1042
00:50:34,373 --> 00:50:34,732
Speaker 3: I don't.

1043
00:50:34,813 --> 00:50:37,973
Speaker 2: But I am very focused on sleep at the moment.

1044
00:50:38,053 --> 00:50:39,732
Speaker 2: I've been talked about this on the show before. I've

1045
00:50:39,773 --> 00:50:44,053
Speaker 2: decided to make sleep the main focus of my life,

1046
00:50:44,853 --> 00:50:46,853
Speaker 2: so to the point where if there's even a single

1047
00:50:46,933 --> 00:50:48,653
Speaker 2: light now in my room, I'm going around with a

1048
00:50:48,653 --> 00:50:50,213
Speaker 2: little bit of tape and covering it up, you know,

1049
00:50:50,333 --> 00:50:53,613
Speaker 2: like even a tinily light on a charger, a light

1050
00:50:53,693 --> 00:50:55,293
Speaker 2: on a multi box, I'm putting a little bit of

1051
00:50:55,293 --> 00:50:58,812
Speaker 2: electrical tape on that complete darkness. And I talked about

1052
00:50:58,853 --> 00:51:01,213
Speaker 2: this on the show about a month ago about I

1053
00:51:01,293 --> 00:51:04,573
Speaker 2: watched this YouTube clip and it was this guy saying,

1054
00:51:04,613 --> 00:51:08,772
Speaker 2: become a sleep champion. Make it your focus to become

1055
00:51:08,853 --> 00:51:11,053
Speaker 2: really good at sleeping. And one thing he did say

1056
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:12,653
Speaker 2: was when you do wake up in the middle of

1057
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:16,933
Speaker 2: the night, don't check your phone to see how much

1058
00:51:17,053 --> 00:51:19,613
Speaker 2: how long you've slept or how much longer you've got

1059
00:51:19,853 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 2: just because then you get stressed out about that. You

1060
00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:23,613
Speaker 2: go I've only got two more hours of sleep or

1061
00:51:24,173 --> 00:51:25,853
Speaker 2: before I have to get up or whatever. This thing

1062
00:51:26,173 --> 00:51:29,573
Speaker 2: he just was really advocating for this thing that I've

1063
00:51:29,613 --> 00:51:31,533
Speaker 2: been doing. And I've mentioned it before, but it's the

1064
00:51:32,013 --> 00:51:37,373
Speaker 2: breathing in for four seconds, holding for seven seconds, then

1065
00:51:37,413 --> 00:51:39,493
Speaker 2: breathing out for nine seconds, and just slowing your heart

1066
00:51:39,533 --> 00:51:41,293
Speaker 2: beat down. It's a really good way to slow your

1067
00:51:41,333 --> 00:51:43,252
Speaker 2: heart beat round, because you can't sleep if your heart's

1068
00:51:43,293 --> 00:51:45,413
Speaker 2: beating too fast. So if you get up for the

1069
00:51:45,493 --> 00:51:49,293
Speaker 2: bathroom or whatever, concentrate when you get back into bed

1070
00:51:49,373 --> 00:51:51,733
Speaker 2: on slowing your heart beat down through that kind of breathing.

1071
00:51:52,653 --> 00:51:54,813
Speaker 2: Things like that absolutely, so I can kind of see

1072
00:51:55,213 --> 00:51:57,413
Speaker 2: what you might be saying. If you get too stressed

1073
00:51:57,453 --> 00:52:00,853
Speaker 2: out about monitoring your sleep while you're asleep, that's bad.

1074
00:52:01,373 --> 00:52:02,732
Speaker 2: But I don't think it'd be so bad to wake

1075
00:52:02,813 --> 00:52:04,533
Speaker 2: up next morning and go, well, I didn't get enough

1076
00:52:04,573 --> 00:52:06,133
Speaker 2: sleep or I didn't get this there. As long as

1077
00:52:06,173 --> 00:52:08,333
Speaker 2: you put into practice the things that are going to

1078
00:52:08,413 --> 00:52:09,773
Speaker 2: make you get a better sleep the next night.

1079
00:52:09,893 --> 00:52:11,933
Speaker 3: This is therapy for me because I'm a terrible sleep

1080
00:52:11,973 --> 00:52:14,253
Speaker 3: and that must have taken some months to get right though. Man,

1081
00:52:14,373 --> 00:52:16,893
Speaker 3: that when you became a champion of sleep yep, and

1082
00:52:17,013 --> 00:52:19,133
Speaker 3: it didn't go so well for the first couple of nights,

1083
00:52:19,173 --> 00:52:20,573
Speaker 3: and thinking why isn't this work? And I've got the

1084
00:52:20,613 --> 00:52:23,093
Speaker 3: blackout curtains, I'm not looking at my phone. I'm doing

1085
00:52:23,133 --> 00:52:25,013
Speaker 3: the breathing work. You just got to stick with it.

1086
00:52:25,413 --> 00:52:27,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no, it works really quickly. That breathing works

1087
00:52:28,013 --> 00:52:31,613
Speaker 2: really quickly. That is a game changer that when you

1088
00:52:31,693 --> 00:52:33,453
Speaker 2: get back into bed, if you've gone to the bathroom

1089
00:52:33,533 --> 00:52:36,732
Speaker 2: or whatever, that you just slow your heart date down

1090
00:52:36,773 --> 00:52:38,692
Speaker 2: with the breathing and then you will just slide off

1091
00:52:38,773 --> 00:52:40,853
Speaker 2: to sleep. That's just something very practical you can do.

1092
00:52:41,093 --> 00:52:41,453
Speaker 4: Very good.

1093
00:52:41,493 --> 00:52:44,453
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from

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00:52:44,453 --> 00:52:46,692
Speaker 3: you about your Apple watch or your fit that has

1095
00:52:46,773 --> 00:52:49,373
Speaker 3: it been of benefit to your overall health? Nine two

1096
00:52:49,453 --> 00:52:51,652
Speaker 3: nine till it's the text number. It's twenty two past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

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00:53:00,093 --> 00:53:01,453
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talks.

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00:53:01,453 --> 00:53:05,773
Speaker 2: I'd be we're talking about wearables, fitbits, Apple watches, et cetera.

1100
00:53:06,013 --> 00:53:09,133
Speaker 2: Because some doctors in u caves said that they don't

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00:53:09,213 --> 00:53:13,652
Speaker 2: support them because people are using them to monitor their

1102
00:53:13,653 --> 00:53:17,253
Speaker 2: own house and becoming hypochondriacs, Amanda, your experiences with the

1103
00:53:17,293 --> 00:53:18,693
Speaker 2: Samsung Galaxy Watch.

1104
00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:23,253
Speaker 16: Yes, and the same sun So. Six years ago, my

1105
00:53:23,333 --> 00:53:26,293
Speaker 16: husband had a Fitbit watch and it started alerting him

1106
00:53:26,293 --> 00:53:28,373
Speaker 16: that there was something wrong, so he checked and his

1107
00:53:28,493 --> 00:53:30,413
Speaker 16: heart rate was over one hundred and fifty bats a minute.

1108
00:53:30,493 --> 00:53:33,573
Speaker 16: So we got him to the hospital and they diagnosed

1109
00:53:33,613 --> 00:53:37,853
Speaker 16: him with artual liberation, which is a regular heartbate heart rate.

1110
00:53:38,653 --> 00:53:40,733
Speaker 16: And the doctor at the time said, yet the watches,

1111
00:53:40,813 --> 00:53:44,133
Speaker 16: you know that they are sometimes sometimes I'm not so.

1112
00:53:45,093 --> 00:53:48,212
Speaker 16: Six years down the Tracker Share, my husband transferred from

1113
00:53:48,693 --> 00:53:51,453
Speaker 16: to a Samsung Galaxy and I've been known to me

1114
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:54,212
Speaker 16: for twelve hours his phone was alerting as his watch

1115
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,573
Speaker 16: was alerting him when he was at work, and when

1116
00:53:56,613 --> 00:53:59,213
Speaker 16: he came home that I said to him, he said, oh,

1117
00:53:59,293 --> 00:54:01,293
Speaker 16: something off my watch, and I checked it and his

1118
00:54:01,413 --> 00:54:03,893
Speaker 16: heart rate was over one hundred and sixty beats a minute,

1119
00:54:04,293 --> 00:54:07,093
Speaker 16: and it turned out for twelve hours his heart rate

1120
00:54:07,253 --> 00:54:09,213
Speaker 16: was over one hundred and sixty free a minute. So

1121
00:54:09,253 --> 00:54:11,733
Speaker 16: he got him straight to the hospital and they couldn't

1122
00:54:11,733 --> 00:54:15,213
Speaker 16: get his heart to restart, so they actually had to

1123
00:54:16,413 --> 00:54:19,453
Speaker 16: restart his heart after a number of different procedures that

1124
00:54:19,493 --> 00:54:21,813
Speaker 16: didn't work, and the doctor said to us that if

1125
00:54:21,853 --> 00:54:23,533
Speaker 16: we hadn't got him to the hospital when we did,

1126
00:54:24,733 --> 00:54:27,413
Speaker 16: he would have had had his heart damage after his

1127
00:54:27,493 --> 00:54:29,333
Speaker 16: heart rate being more than one hundred and sixty bits

1128
00:54:29,373 --> 00:54:30,453
Speaker 16: a minute for twelve hours.

1129
00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:33,933
Speaker 2: And so you think, so you wouldn't And how is

1130
00:54:33,973 --> 00:54:36,133
Speaker 2: he now, Amanda, Yeah, he's fine.

1131
00:54:36,213 --> 00:54:37,773
Speaker 16: And the thing is, both of them he never had

1132
00:54:37,813 --> 00:54:40,772
Speaker 16: any symptoms. Both times, no symptoms and all the only

1133
00:54:41,213 --> 00:54:43,533
Speaker 16: thing we knew was his watch was telling him there

1134
00:54:43,573 --> 00:54:43,973
Speaker 16: was a problem.

1135
00:54:44,413 --> 00:54:46,893
Speaker 2: So if he hadn't had that watch, are you concerned

1136
00:54:46,933 --> 00:54:50,413
Speaker 2: that you just wouldn't have done anything? You wouldn't have No, no, no.

1137
00:54:50,613 --> 00:54:53,053
Speaker 16: No, because he had no symptoms. And the doctor at

1138
00:54:53,053 --> 00:54:56,293
Speaker 16: the hospital said he would have been having heart damage

1139
00:54:56,453 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 16: after the twelve hours and we hadn't gone to the hospital.

1140
00:55:00,013 --> 00:55:01,573
Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty is that?

1141
00:55:01,893 --> 00:55:04,173
Speaker 3: So that was a resting heart rate he was he

1142
00:55:04,293 --> 00:55:06,173
Speaker 3: was doing one hundred and sixty while he was resting.

1143
00:55:07,933 --> 00:55:09,933
Speaker 16: Wo Yeah, so they said he was like doing a

1144
00:55:10,013 --> 00:55:15,133
Speaker 16: marathon for twelve hours, whereas heart was concerned, unreal.

1145
00:55:14,933 --> 00:55:17,893
Speaker 3: And so while that was happening, there was no sort

1146
00:55:17,933 --> 00:55:20,133
Speaker 3: of symptoms that he was feeling at the time, saying

1147
00:55:20,173 --> 00:55:21,893
Speaker 3: to you Amanda, I'm feeling a bit off here.

1148
00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:26,493
Speaker 16: Nothing at all. When he worked, he was fine, other

1149
00:55:26,533 --> 00:55:29,093
Speaker 16: than there's just watch alerting him that there was a problem,

1150
00:55:29,333 --> 00:55:31,253
Speaker 16: and he's not good of technology, so he didn't think

1151
00:55:31,253 --> 00:55:33,013
Speaker 16: too much of it. And it's only when he came

1152
00:55:33,053 --> 00:55:34,333
Speaker 16: home and said to me, and I was like, oh,

1153
00:55:34,493 --> 00:55:36,813
Speaker 16: let me check because this How long has this been

1154
00:55:36,853 --> 00:55:39,773
Speaker 16: going for? He said, oh, since last night. And I'm like,

1155
00:55:39,813 --> 00:55:41,213
Speaker 16: why didn't you say something? Oh, I didn't know what

1156
00:55:41,293 --> 00:55:44,493
Speaker 16: it was. And yeah, there was no symptoms at all.

1157
00:55:45,173 --> 00:55:48,573
Speaker 16: And the doctor said, we're were lucky. Watching about the

1158
00:55:48,653 --> 00:55:49,493
Speaker 16: best thing ever.

1159
00:55:49,813 --> 00:55:53,292
Speaker 2: That's a huge advertisement for having something around your wrist.

1160
00:55:53,373 --> 00:55:55,413
Speaker 2: That's that's reading your your heart rate.

1161
00:55:56,013 --> 00:55:59,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so just quickly, Amanda, you mentioned

1162
00:55:59,533 --> 00:56:01,333
Speaker 3: before then if I'm just going to check mine now

1163
00:56:01,493 --> 00:56:03,133
Speaker 3: you guys are talking, Yeah, yeah, please do that, mat

1164
00:56:03,693 --> 00:56:05,653
Speaker 3: So just quickly mention if you didn't make it to

1165
00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:09,413
Speaker 3: the doctor and get it assessed by a within twelve hours,

1166
00:56:09,413 --> 00:56:11,293
Speaker 3: he would have had damage to his heart and potentially

1167
00:56:11,373 --> 00:56:13,853
Speaker 3: what a heart attack down the track, very very recently

1168
00:56:13,893 --> 00:56:14,373
Speaker 3: down the track.

1169
00:56:14,853 --> 00:56:17,453
Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely, So they couldn't get his heart to come

1170
00:56:17,493 --> 00:56:20,373
Speaker 16: back to normal. They try medication and flying through a

1171
00:56:20,453 --> 00:56:24,093
Speaker 16: straw upside down, which is normal, and then they actually

1172
00:56:24,093 --> 00:56:25,573
Speaker 16: had to rest out the heart and they said, yep,

1173
00:56:25,653 --> 00:56:28,693
Speaker 16: he would have had started getting heart damage if we

1174
00:56:28,813 --> 00:56:30,853
Speaker 16: hadn't gone to the hospital, and we did so with

1175
00:56:30,973 --> 00:56:33,493
Speaker 16: them telling me twenty minutes fater, we're at the hospital.

1176
00:56:33,813 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 16: They took them and straight away and it took them

1177
00:56:35,533 --> 00:56:37,453
Speaker 16: about three hours to try and get his heart rate down.

1178
00:56:37,813 --> 00:56:38,213
Speaker 11: Then they just.

1179
00:56:38,293 --> 00:56:41,373
Speaker 16: Quipn't so in the end they just rest out of

1180
00:56:41,413 --> 00:56:45,413
Speaker 16: the heart pedals. Well, so you've got now the best thing.

1181
00:56:46,173 --> 00:56:48,733
Speaker 16: I had no bom spinning for five hundred dollars on

1182
00:56:48,773 --> 00:56:50,653
Speaker 16: a watch. If it means my husband's.

1183
00:56:50,933 --> 00:56:53,413
Speaker 2: Lived one hundred, Thank you so much for sharing your

1184
00:56:53,453 --> 00:56:56,692
Speaker 2: stories of Amanda. That is the best advertising. I think

1185
00:56:56,733 --> 00:56:59,013
Speaker 2: that that pretty much finishes the argument for these speeds.

1186
00:56:59,053 --> 00:57:00,813
Speaker 3: What are these doctors now over in the US and

1187
00:57:00,853 --> 00:57:03,453
Speaker 3: the UK. But there's plenty more stories coming through.

1188
00:57:03,653 --> 00:57:06,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just in case you're wondering, and maybe if

1189
00:57:06,133 --> 00:57:07,453
Speaker 2: there is a doctor they can tell me if this

1190
00:57:07,493 --> 00:57:09,293
Speaker 2: has good to bad my heart it's currently going at

1191
00:57:09,373 --> 00:57:14,772
Speaker 2: fifty five bpm. Fifty five yeah, is that too slow?

1192
00:57:15,493 --> 00:57:17,853
Speaker 3: It's like yes, like Olympian level, wasn't it that's a

1193
00:57:17,853 --> 00:57:19,933
Speaker 3: pretty good resting heart rate. How much caffeine have you

1194
00:57:19,973 --> 00:57:20,733
Speaker 3: ad none.

1195
00:57:20,813 --> 00:57:23,053
Speaker 2: I'm just eating, I'm just drinking one of my massage

1196
00:57:23,333 --> 00:57:25,613
Speaker 2: energy drink high caffeine supplements.

1197
00:57:25,653 --> 00:57:27,413
Speaker 3: So if you're a listening right now, what is that?

1198
00:57:27,533 --> 00:57:27,613
Speaker 7: Man?

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00:57:27,693 --> 00:57:28,973
Speaker 2: What's a good resting heart rate?

1200
00:57:29,213 --> 00:57:29,453
Speaker 11: Okay?

1201
00:57:29,573 --> 00:57:32,093
Speaker 3: On thet thing under sixty is you're pretty fit by this?

1202
00:57:32,973 --> 00:57:33,653
Speaker 3: My understanding.

1203
00:57:34,053 --> 00:57:37,133
Speaker 2: Here we go, we'll look into this. We'll give back

1204
00:57:37,453 --> 00:57:40,453
Speaker 2: anything between between fifty five and eighty five. If for

1205
00:57:40,533 --> 00:57:43,053
Speaker 2: most healthy adults between fifty five and eighty five beats perman,

1206
00:57:43,053 --> 00:57:45,253
Speaker 2: it's pretty good. Yeah, well, someone on the fifty five

1207
00:57:45,293 --> 00:57:45,573
Speaker 2: and in the.

1208
00:57:45,573 --> 00:57:47,973
Speaker 3: Lower range eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if

1209
00:57:48,013 --> 00:57:49,373
Speaker 3: you want to tell us your heart rate as well,

1210
00:57:49,453 --> 00:57:51,333
Speaker 3: we're up for at ninety two. Ninety two is the text.

1211
00:57:51,453 --> 00:57:53,253
Speaker 2: And we've got someone on the line coming up very

1212
00:57:53,253 --> 00:57:58,013
Speaker 2: soon who says that has has wearables. We're making them paranoid.

1213
00:57:58,173 --> 00:57:59,533
Speaker 3: It is twenty nine past two.

1214
00:58:02,533 --> 00:58:03,293
Speaker 4: US talk said.

1215
00:58:03,373 --> 00:58:06,533
Speaker 12: The headlines with blue Bubble Taxi is it's no trouble

1216
00:58:06,613 --> 00:58:10,213
Speaker 12: with a blue bubble or sevu Rees whose now lost

1217
00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:14,373
Speaker 12: name suppression says good things, including stopping drinking, have come

1218
00:58:14,453 --> 00:58:16,733
Speaker 12: out of his run in with the law. Has been

1219
00:58:16,773 --> 00:58:20,653
Speaker 12: discharged without conviction after admitting willful damage for slamming a

1220
00:58:20,733 --> 00:58:23,573
Speaker 12: car into a garage after a post christ Church Cup

1221
00:58:23,653 --> 00:58:28,013
Speaker 12: Day party last year. Police have acknowledged a finding officers

1222
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:31,973
Speaker 12: use too much force when they unjustifiably handcuffed two children

1223
00:58:32,093 --> 00:58:36,613
Speaker 12: in Napier last year. The PSA slamming the government after

1224
00:58:36,693 --> 00:58:39,533
Speaker 12: revelations more defense forced jobs could be on the line

1225
00:58:39,893 --> 00:58:43,733
Speaker 12: to save money. The Prime Minister says he hasn't decided

1226
00:58:43,853 --> 00:58:46,933
Speaker 12: either way. After an oil and gas lobby group has

1227
00:58:46,973 --> 00:58:50,693
Speaker 12: asked the government to underwrite the risk of fossil fuel exploration,

1228
00:58:51,253 --> 00:58:53,893
Speaker 12: it could see taxpayers taking some or all of the

1229
00:58:54,013 --> 00:58:58,173
Speaker 12: risk if new supplies don't eventuate. A fourth person has

1230
00:58:58,293 --> 00:59:00,653
Speaker 12: died after a crash that killed three in August on

1231
00:59:00,733 --> 00:59:04,773
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1232
00:59:04,853 --> 00:59:08,213
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raileen twenty seven to three. We're

1237
00:59:22,773 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 3: talking about the rise of wearables. Your Apple watches, you fit.

1238
00:59:26,733 --> 00:59:29,333
Speaker 3: But doctors out of the UK and the US are

1239
00:59:29,453 --> 00:59:32,453
Speaker 3: starting to be concerned by the obsession some people have

1240
00:59:32,613 --> 00:59:35,693
Speaker 3: with them. Doctor Helen Salisbury is a GP out of Oxford.

1241
00:59:35,773 --> 00:59:39,053
Speaker 3: She says that, I quote, I think for the number

1242
00:59:39,093 --> 00:59:41,573
Speaker 3: of times when it's useful, there's probably more times that

1243
00:59:41,653 --> 00:59:43,853
Speaker 3: it's not terribly useful. And I worry that we are

1244
00:59:43,893 --> 00:59:48,333
Speaker 3: building a society of hyperchondriacs. I love to hear your experiences.

1245
00:59:48,373 --> 00:59:50,053
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1246
00:59:50,053 --> 00:59:52,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well the story of Anne where her husband's was Anne,

1247
00:59:52,813 --> 00:59:55,213
Speaker 2: wasn't it we her husband's heart Amanda, Amanda, Sorry, we

1248
00:59:55,213 --> 00:59:58,213
Speaker 2: went up to one hundred and sixty and so they

1249
00:59:58,493 --> 01:00:00,533
Speaker 2: they won a resting rate and took them into hospital

1250
01:00:00,653 --> 01:00:02,573
Speaker 2: and it was thank god they did. And we've got

1251
01:00:02,573 --> 01:00:04,733
Speaker 2: a bunch of other texts coming through here. So I

1252
01:00:04,813 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 2: think at the very least that having a knowledge of

1253
01:00:09,133 --> 01:00:11,253
Speaker 2: what your heart resting heart raders is pretty important.

1254
01:00:11,333 --> 01:00:13,053
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're pretty helpful.

1255
01:00:13,133 --> 01:00:14,333
Speaker 2: I mean you can get by with out of it.

1256
01:00:14,413 --> 01:00:14,893
Speaker 2: It's helpful.

1257
01:00:15,013 --> 01:00:18,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, Leon, you think these watchers made you a

1258
01:00:18,213 --> 01:00:18,813
Speaker 3: bit paranoid.

1259
01:00:20,773 --> 01:00:25,333
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I've got diagnosed with as well about six

1260
01:00:25,373 --> 01:00:27,053
Speaker 9: seven years ago, and I had a couple of I

1261
01:00:27,133 --> 01:00:30,293
Speaker 9: had an operation to try and give me back into timing,

1262
01:00:30,453 --> 01:00:31,293
Speaker 9: and that didn't work.

1263
01:00:32,133 --> 01:00:36,333
Speaker 2: And you've got sorry, Leon, you've got you got diagnosed

1264
01:00:36,373 --> 01:00:36,893
Speaker 2: with what was.

1265
01:00:36,933 --> 01:00:46,453
Speaker 9: That sorry, atrial fibulations yea, yeah, yeah. And I also

1266
01:00:46,613 --> 01:00:50,093
Speaker 9: had my heart restarted numerous times in that process as well.

1267
01:00:51,653 --> 01:00:56,253
Speaker 9: Would they do that recently regularly? None of those things

1268
01:00:56,293 --> 01:00:58,213
Speaker 9: could get me back into timing. And in the end,

1269
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:02,493
Speaker 9: my surgeon, who is one of the best and often said,

1270
01:01:03,133 --> 01:01:06,013
Speaker 9: you know, maybe you're not that old, you're pretty, you're

1271
01:01:06,613 --> 01:01:09,733
Speaker 9: not overweight. The best thing you can do is just

1272
01:01:09,973 --> 01:01:12,013
Speaker 9: get over wait the state that you'll be all right.

1273
01:01:12,493 --> 01:01:12,813
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

1274
01:01:13,573 --> 01:01:15,773
Speaker 9: So that's pretty much how I've operated for the last

1275
01:01:15,853 --> 01:01:19,053
Speaker 9: fix years. But I started wearing a sid to keep

1276
01:01:19,053 --> 01:01:22,773
Speaker 9: an eye on things, and it really did make me

1277
01:01:22,893 --> 01:01:27,333
Speaker 9: completely paranoid. I just spent my life looking at and

1278
01:01:27,453 --> 01:01:29,413
Speaker 9: it's a it's a real waste of time if you've

1279
01:01:29,413 --> 01:01:31,693
Speaker 9: got actual circulation, because your heart wreck goes all over

1280
01:01:31,733 --> 01:01:33,853
Speaker 9: the place. I can look at one thing that could

1281
01:01:33,893 --> 01:01:35,693
Speaker 9: be eighty something, and then the next thing it could

1282
01:01:35,693 --> 01:01:38,213
Speaker 9: be underreported and I looked at it again two seconds

1283
01:01:38,293 --> 01:01:43,013
Speaker 9: later and it's back to seventy six. Yeah, So for

1284
01:01:43,133 --> 01:01:46,413
Speaker 9: me it was yeah, it just became I just became paranoid.

1285
01:01:46,813 --> 01:01:47,533
Speaker 12: So I just stopped.

1286
01:01:48,053 --> 01:01:49,853
Speaker 2: So what do you suggest? What is what is the best?

1287
01:01:49,933 --> 01:01:53,053
Speaker 2: So you know, you want to keep your weight down

1288
01:01:53,133 --> 01:01:55,933
Speaker 2: and stay reasonably healthy, But you know, how regularly do

1289
01:01:55,973 --> 01:01:57,693
Speaker 2: you see a doctor about this situation?

1290
01:01:59,093 --> 01:02:01,533
Speaker 9: I try and keep in touch with them ever a year.

1291
01:02:02,453 --> 01:02:04,133
Speaker 9: They do a few tubs to say. What they do

1292
01:02:04,333 --> 01:02:05,933
Speaker 9: is they stick you on a thing for the hold,

1293
01:02:06,533 --> 01:02:10,173
Speaker 9: which is whole series of things on your chest with

1294
01:02:10,293 --> 01:02:12,293
Speaker 9: wires and you kind of walk around with the Scotch

1295
01:02:12,573 --> 01:02:13,613
Speaker 9: for a day and it.

1296
01:02:13,693 --> 01:02:15,573
Speaker 14: Just monitors what happens when you do everything.

1297
01:02:15,653 --> 01:02:17,093
Speaker 9: You try and get a lot of stuff done to

1298
01:02:17,133 --> 01:02:21,013
Speaker 9: the day and they check you and if there's anything

1299
01:02:21,533 --> 01:02:24,933
Speaker 9: majorly irregular role that you know after that, it's always

1300
01:02:24,973 --> 01:02:27,373
Speaker 9: been a right with me, m okay.

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01:02:28,213 --> 01:02:30,213
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a type of surgery that a

1302
01:02:30,293 --> 01:02:32,973
Speaker 2: partner of my hands she had her heart was changing

1303
01:02:33,053 --> 01:02:37,573
Speaker 2: speed massively and she went to Wakata and had this

1304
01:02:37,973 --> 01:02:40,253
Speaker 2: surgery done. It was pretty full on. She had to

1305
01:02:40,413 --> 01:02:44,413
Speaker 2: be walking on the treadmill while they burnt part of

1306
01:02:44,453 --> 01:02:47,573
Speaker 2: her heart while she was still awake to so the

1307
01:02:47,653 --> 01:02:49,213
Speaker 2: heart could regulate it. Are you familiar with that?

1308
01:02:50,733 --> 01:02:52,573
Speaker 9: Yeah, well that's the same thing that I had, except

1309
01:02:52,653 --> 01:02:54,653
Speaker 9: I wasn't awake and I wasn't walking on a treadmill.

1310
01:02:54,693 --> 01:02:56,173
Speaker 9: But it's called a glat surgery.

1311
01:02:56,373 --> 01:02:59,813
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's what I had.

1312
01:02:59,853 --> 01:03:03,293
Speaker 9: And basically I was under for I believe it was

1313
01:03:03,413 --> 01:03:05,693
Speaker 9: under for about six or seven hours while they did that.

1314
01:03:06,493 --> 01:03:08,973
Speaker 9: And when you've been under for that amount of time,

1315
01:03:09,053 --> 01:03:10,933
Speaker 9: it takes a long time dur and cover. Like I

1316
01:03:11,053 --> 01:03:13,853
Speaker 9: felt really vague for about three weeks after. I can

1317
01:03:13,933 --> 01:03:21,173
Speaker 9: fairly operate that afterwards. And really, you know the thing

1318
01:03:21,213 --> 01:03:25,573
Speaker 9: about that when he came around and he said to me, look,

1319
01:03:25,613 --> 01:03:28,093
Speaker 9: you know, none of it's worked. He said, look, I

1320
01:03:28,133 --> 01:03:30,413
Speaker 9: could go into the other chamber, because there's two chambers.

1321
01:03:30,453 --> 01:03:33,693
Speaker 9: They can do that and we can try again. But

1322
01:03:33,773 --> 01:03:35,093
Speaker 9: he said, look, it's going to be more full on

1323
01:03:35,173 --> 01:03:37,853
Speaker 9: than the other one. And like I was fifty when

1324
01:03:37,893 --> 01:03:42,733
Speaker 9: this was going on fifty six now, and I just thought, no,

1325
01:03:42,813 --> 01:03:44,453
Speaker 9: I don't want to put myself through that again. And

1326
01:03:44,533 --> 01:03:46,333
Speaker 9: he said, to be honest with you, maybe young enough,

1327
01:03:46,533 --> 01:03:49,293
Speaker 9: you're fit enough, You're not so overweight. Keep that up

1328
01:03:49,413 --> 01:03:52,733
Speaker 9: and you should be your eye. And the one thing

1329
01:03:52,773 --> 01:03:54,853
Speaker 9: I have had to stop doing is I can't run anymore.

1330
01:03:55,253 --> 01:04:01,133
Speaker 9: Like continuous exercise the real problems. But high intensity is good.

1331
01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:05,173
Speaker 9: You know, I can do. I can see boxing, boxing workouts,

1332
01:04:05,293 --> 01:04:07,533
Speaker 9: I can do you know all that kind of high

1333
01:04:07,533 --> 01:04:09,653
Speaker 9: intensity stuff. Yeah, it's all right because you bring your

1334
01:04:09,653 --> 01:04:10,853
Speaker 9: heart rate up and you bring it back down.

1335
01:04:10,893 --> 01:04:13,333
Speaker 3: And you did your family want you to carry on

1336
01:04:13,453 --> 01:04:16,453
Speaker 3: wearing that device so you could monitor it or how

1337
01:04:16,493 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 3: did they feel about it?

1338
01:04:18,973 --> 01:04:21,293
Speaker 9: No, no one really gave me. Was was that concerned

1339
01:04:21,333 --> 01:04:23,933
Speaker 9: about it. I mean, it's a funny one interesting what

1340
01:04:24,093 --> 01:04:26,053
Speaker 9: your last caller said, because I didn't know I had

1341
01:04:26,093 --> 01:04:30,453
Speaker 9: it either, and I had absolutely no symptom. And I

1342
01:04:30,893 --> 01:04:32,973
Speaker 9: went to the doctor for a check up for overseas

1343
01:04:33,013 --> 01:04:34,813
Speaker 9: one year and he put the you know, did the

1344
01:04:34,893 --> 01:04:36,813
Speaker 9: usual heart chicken He went off, I think you're an

1345
01:04:36,813 --> 01:04:39,693
Speaker 9: angial figulation. I went, what's that? And he told me.

1346
01:04:39,773 --> 01:04:41,533
Speaker 9: And I was pretty fit at the time as well,

1347
01:04:41,573 --> 01:04:43,573
Speaker 9: and he was just like, yeah, and I can't happen.

1348
01:04:44,333 --> 01:04:48,293
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I've known people that have had you know,

1349
01:04:48,693 --> 01:04:51,493
Speaker 2: and they will lose I guess so much oxygen gets

1350
01:04:51,533 --> 01:04:55,013
Speaker 2: pumped to their heads that they'll sort of almost faint.

1351
01:04:56,173 --> 01:04:57,693
Speaker 2: That can be something they can't it.

1352
01:04:59,493 --> 01:04:59,973
Speaker 8: It can be.

1353
01:05:00,093 --> 01:05:01,933
Speaker 9: And the only time where that happened to me is

1354
01:05:02,053 --> 01:05:06,053
Speaker 9: I decided to go for a walk run one morning

1355
01:05:06,093 --> 01:05:09,213
Speaker 9: and I walked all out and that I'll just run down.

1356
01:05:11,173 --> 01:05:13,693
Speaker 9: So I did that and I got to the bottom

1357
01:05:13,733 --> 01:05:14,893
Speaker 9: and it was when I had a fifth on and

1358
01:05:14,933 --> 01:05:16,533
Speaker 9: I checked my pittment and I was at one hundred

1359
01:05:16,533 --> 01:05:20,453
Speaker 9: and eighty cool, and I thought I should probably stop.

1360
01:05:20,733 --> 01:05:23,813
Speaker 9: I stopped but week and I thought, well, this would

1361
01:05:23,813 --> 01:05:25,333
Speaker 9: be just think it was five o'clock in the morning

1362
01:05:25,373 --> 01:05:29,933
Speaker 9: and dark. But that's about the only time that happens.

1363
01:05:30,013 --> 01:05:31,813
Speaker 9: But to be honest, I've got to say, the only

1364
01:05:31,853 --> 01:05:35,693
Speaker 9: time I've really noticed the symptoms and when they are

1365
01:05:35,973 --> 01:05:39,893
Speaker 9: doing something, when they are you know, the times that

1366
01:05:39,933 --> 01:05:44,893
Speaker 9: I've been by the surgeons and stuff since I've since

1367
01:05:44,973 --> 01:05:46,853
Speaker 9: he said that to me, and I've gone away and

1368
01:05:47,093 --> 01:05:50,093
Speaker 9: keept myself but tried not to get too overweight. I

1369
01:05:50,453 --> 01:05:52,813
Speaker 9: literally I don't hardly even notice it. Every now and

1370
01:05:52,853 --> 01:05:55,613
Speaker 9: again I'll get an af episode and I'll breathe, breathe

1371
01:05:55,613 --> 01:05:57,293
Speaker 9: through it. The same way you were talking about man

1372
01:05:57,453 --> 01:05:58,813
Speaker 9: use exactly the same method.

1373
01:05:59,173 --> 01:05:59,373
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1374
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:00,133
Speaker 3: Interesting.

1375
01:06:00,533 --> 01:06:02,773
Speaker 2: Well, thanks so much for sharing a story, Leon and

1376
01:06:03,053 --> 01:06:04,413
Speaker 2: all the best going forward, mate.

1377
01:06:04,493 --> 01:06:06,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. One hundred and eighty ten

1378
01:06:06,813 --> 01:06:08,493
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. Love to eat all

1379
01:06:08,533 --> 01:06:11,653
Speaker 3: thoughts about the wearables, the Apple watches and the fitbits.

1380
01:06:12,053 --> 01:06:16,213
Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through on nine to ninety two. Giday. Guys,

1381
01:06:16,213 --> 01:06:17,853
Speaker 3: if my watch was reading my heart rate at one

1382
01:06:17,973 --> 01:06:20,653
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty beats per minute and have no symptoms,

1383
01:06:20,693 --> 01:06:22,653
Speaker 3: I'd think the watch was broken and do nothing about it.

1384
01:06:22,733 --> 01:06:23,173
Speaker 3: From JT.

1385
01:06:24,733 --> 01:06:27,053
Speaker 2: Well, not much we can do about if you don't

1386
01:06:27,053 --> 01:06:27,853
Speaker 2: trust the technology.

1387
01:06:28,013 --> 01:06:30,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is twenty to three.

1388
01:06:32,453 --> 01:06:35,413
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight

1389
01:06:35,533 --> 01:06:39,013
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt ETHN Tyler Adams afternoons

1390
01:06:39,253 --> 01:06:40,573
Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

1391
01:06:40,773 --> 01:06:43,093
Speaker 3: News Talks THEB. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is

1392
01:06:43,093 --> 01:06:45,253
Speaker 3: a number to call. We're talking about wearables. There are

1393
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:47,813
Speaker 3: some concern from doctors in the US and the UK

1394
01:06:47,973 --> 01:06:50,253
Speaker 3: that we're relying too much on these things and becoming

1395
01:06:50,293 --> 01:06:51,133
Speaker 3: a little bit obsessed.

1396
01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:54,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're talking primarily so far about the reading

1397
01:06:54,893 --> 01:06:57,973
Speaker 2: of heart rates, and you know, it's been very helpful

1398
01:06:58,013 --> 01:06:59,533
Speaker 2: to a couple of people whose heart rates have gone

1399
01:06:59,613 --> 01:07:01,973
Speaker 2: up very very high, and they've got themselves checked out.

1400
01:07:02,493 --> 01:07:04,533
Speaker 2: Someone has just text through on nine two nine two,

1401
01:07:04,573 --> 01:07:07,653
Speaker 2: Please Matt, can you say that breathing process again? Yeah?

1402
01:07:07,693 --> 01:07:09,533
Speaker 2: So that was the that what I've been using this

1403
01:07:09,613 --> 01:07:12,053
Speaker 2: is around sleeping though lowering my heart rate, because you

1404
01:07:12,133 --> 01:07:14,693
Speaker 2: can't sleep when your heart's beating really fast. And it's

1405
01:07:14,693 --> 01:07:17,693
Speaker 2: surprising how much your heartbeat will increase. Your heart rate

1406
01:07:17,733 --> 01:07:19,413
Speaker 2: will increase just getting up to go to the bathroom

1407
01:07:19,653 --> 01:07:21,293
Speaker 2: and sitting down again, and you line and be going

1408
01:07:21,293 --> 01:07:22,773
Speaker 2: why can't I go to sleep? When it's because you've

1409
01:07:23,053 --> 01:07:27,133
Speaker 2: hit being awake, resting heart rate not resting again.

1410
01:07:27,173 --> 01:07:28,373
Speaker 3: It takes a while to get it back down.

1411
01:07:28,413 --> 01:07:31,173
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So the way that I've read about it

1412
01:07:31,173 --> 01:07:32,973
Speaker 2: and what's working for me is just to breathe in

1413
01:07:33,413 --> 01:07:41,373
Speaker 2: through your nose for four, hold it for seven, and

1414
01:07:41,533 --> 01:07:47,173
Speaker 2: breathe out for nine, and it slows your heart rate.

1415
01:07:47,373 --> 01:07:48,973
Speaker 3: Felling better already. Yeah, Yeah, that's good.

1416
01:07:49,093 --> 01:07:49,453
Speaker 2: Good time.

1417
01:07:50,933 --> 01:07:52,693
Speaker 3: You're involved in the wearables industry?

1418
01:07:54,253 --> 01:07:55,613
Speaker 8: Good over there, fellas, How are you?

1419
01:07:55,773 --> 01:07:58,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're real good interested to chat to you. What's

1420
01:07:58,493 --> 01:08:00,853
Speaker 3: the wearable that you that you work with?

1421
01:08:02,933 --> 01:08:05,133
Speaker 8: I worked for a pretty major brand. I'd rather not

1422
01:08:05,253 --> 01:08:09,493
Speaker 8: actually say what branded as a parent, honest I would

1423
01:08:09,533 --> 01:08:12,493
Speaker 8: tell you that that you know, not that not all

1424
01:08:13,573 --> 01:08:16,372
Speaker 8: horses are in the same race, or you know, equal

1425
01:08:16,412 --> 01:08:19,053
Speaker 8: the same race. When it comes to wearables, some some

1426
01:08:19,173 --> 01:08:22,053
Speaker 8: wearables say that they'll do so, they'll do stuff, but

1427
01:08:22,293 --> 01:08:25,892
Speaker 8: you know, it's the accuracy of the of the sensors

1428
01:08:25,933 --> 01:08:28,012
Speaker 8: that they use and the metric that you're actually getting

1429
01:08:28,013 --> 01:08:31,133
Speaker 8: off the white. So you know, for me and what

1430
01:08:31,253 --> 01:08:34,412
Speaker 8: I see on a on a daily basis in my business,

1431
01:08:35,452 --> 01:08:37,253
Speaker 8: you know, I deal with high performance New Zealand. I

1432
01:08:37,333 --> 01:08:42,293
Speaker 8: deal with Olympic athletes, you know, rugby players, you know

1433
01:08:42,853 --> 01:08:46,573
Speaker 8: that need to know how their body is responding to exercise,

1434
01:08:47,772 --> 01:08:50,973
Speaker 8: and the every day Joe and Doanne who wanting to

1435
01:08:51,133 --> 01:08:55,173
Speaker 8: see how well they sleep and how well they are

1436
01:08:55,293 --> 01:08:59,412
Speaker 8: recovering from any exercise they make are taken. It's really

1437
01:08:59,412 --> 01:09:03,333
Speaker 8: important to have a device that gives you good quality

1438
01:09:03,412 --> 01:09:08,133
Speaker 8: metrics and not all not all wearables are the same.

1439
01:09:08,412 --> 01:09:09,492
Speaker 8: Can just put that out there.

1440
01:09:10,532 --> 01:09:12,532
Speaker 3: So when you talk about and that clearly there's a

1441
01:09:12,532 --> 01:09:15,652
Speaker 3: big difference day between the everyday Joe's and Jane's that

1442
01:09:15,732 --> 01:09:18,412
Speaker 3: you mentioned there in your athletes who may be at

1443
01:09:18,452 --> 01:09:22,173
Speaker 3: the elite level, clearly they need to monitor everything that's

1444
01:09:22,213 --> 01:09:24,213
Speaker 3: going on in their body to get the edge. But

1445
01:09:24,452 --> 01:09:26,652
Speaker 3: for every day Joe L. Jane, is there not some

1446
01:09:26,853 --> 01:09:28,852
Speaker 3: of your customers that may take it a bit too far,

1447
01:09:28,973 --> 01:09:32,253
Speaker 3: get a bit obsessive once they start seeing these numbers

1448
01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:32,532
Speaker 3: come in.

1449
01:09:33,933 --> 01:09:34,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1450
01:09:34,213 --> 01:09:35,772
Speaker 9: Look, I think it's human nature.

1451
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:37,572
Speaker 8: I mean, you can blame doctor Google for a lot

1452
01:09:37,612 --> 01:09:40,452
Speaker 8: of that. You know, you feel like a twinge and

1453
01:09:40,492 --> 01:09:42,173
Speaker 8: you google it in your neck minute, you've got a

1454
01:09:42,173 --> 01:09:47,173
Speaker 8: tumor on your brain. And the reality is, look, the

1455
01:09:47,253 --> 01:09:51,133
Speaker 8: body responds differently to different things that we do in life.

1456
01:09:51,133 --> 01:09:53,572
Speaker 8: With your scare or runner or you know, a kayak

1457
01:09:53,652 --> 01:09:57,052
Speaker 8: or whatever, and you know you've got these little twinges,

1458
01:09:57,093 --> 01:10:00,452
Speaker 8: you'll get these little you know, pains and so forth.

1459
01:10:00,532 --> 01:10:03,492
Speaker 8: But the most important thing is to get a product

1460
01:10:03,572 --> 01:10:07,772
Speaker 8: that absolutely provides you with the best metrics. And there's

1461
01:10:07,812 --> 01:10:10,772
Speaker 8: plenty of information and the health industry, and I'm talking

1462
01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:16,412
Speaker 8: the medical industry that will validate various devices, and I

1463
01:10:16,492 --> 01:10:20,772
Speaker 8: know my device absolutely. We've just come back from a

1464
01:10:20,893 --> 01:10:25,933
Speaker 8: major medical conference in Prague. There's a lot of companies, industries, hospitals,

1465
01:10:26,372 --> 01:10:30,932
Speaker 8: insurance companies that use my product because my brand because

1466
01:10:31,173 --> 01:10:35,293
Speaker 8: it has true validity when it comes to giving you

1467
01:10:35,372 --> 01:10:38,652
Speaker 8: good metrics. One of the FIGST metrics, the most important

1468
01:10:38,732 --> 01:10:41,812
Speaker 8: metrics to for the Joe and Joanna out there is

1469
01:10:41,973 --> 01:10:47,213
Speaker 8: how well you sleep. And it's not you know, you

1470
01:10:47,372 --> 01:10:51,012
Speaker 8: can't monitor your sleep if your watches the side you're

1471
01:10:51,253 --> 01:10:54,892
Speaker 8: charging on your bedside table. You've got to wear your

1472
01:10:54,933 --> 01:10:58,532
Speaker 8: device at night because that's what that will give you

1473
01:10:58,572 --> 01:11:01,692
Speaker 8: an indication of how well your body is performing post

1474
01:11:01,772 --> 01:11:06,052
Speaker 8: it aside. So if you're if your oxygen saturation level

1475
01:11:06,492 --> 01:11:11,053
Speaker 8: as dropping, that's good indication that maybe something's not right right,

1476
01:11:11,173 --> 01:11:13,172
Speaker 8: quite right. So you've got to have a good wearable

1477
01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:16,412
Speaker 8: that you wear at night that will monitor your oxygen

1478
01:11:16,492 --> 01:11:19,692
Speaker 8: saturation you'll breathing during the night, and of course your

1479
01:11:19,812 --> 01:11:21,612
Speaker 8: heart rate that's important as well.

1480
01:11:21,893 --> 01:11:23,532
Speaker 2: Hey Dave, how does it? I always wonder about this,

1481
01:11:23,652 --> 01:11:27,412
Speaker 2: How does a device monitor your oxygen saturation?

1482
01:11:28,732 --> 01:11:32,652
Speaker 8: So we have we have we have we have two.

1483
01:11:32,933 --> 01:11:35,692
Speaker 8: We have different centers on the watch. One of them

1484
01:11:35,772 --> 01:11:37,652
Speaker 8: is what they call the pulse OX and that is

1485
01:11:37,692 --> 01:11:42,253
Speaker 8: a center that that monitors the amount of oxygen in

1486
01:11:42,372 --> 01:11:45,532
Speaker 8: your blood as it passes through your veins on your wrist.

1487
01:11:46,093 --> 01:11:51,852
Speaker 8: Now Elite athletes will use other devices but as well

1488
01:11:51,893 --> 01:11:56,013
Speaker 8: as my device devices. But the reality is not all

1489
01:11:56,093 --> 01:11:58,333
Speaker 8: pulse oximities are the same. So when you go to

1490
01:11:58,372 --> 01:12:00,293
Speaker 8: the doctor and you stick that little thing on your finger,

1491
01:12:00,452 --> 01:12:03,852
Speaker 8: on the end of your finger, that that's that's your pulse.

1492
01:12:03,933 --> 01:12:06,732
Speaker 8: That's measuring the amount of oxygen in your blood. Now

1493
01:12:06,812 --> 01:12:10,932
Speaker 8: that's a really important met to know because if, for example,

1494
01:12:11,013 --> 01:12:15,492
Speaker 8: your heart's not working really well, then then potentially or

1495
01:12:15,572 --> 01:12:18,372
Speaker 8: your your lungs aren't working because well, there's a good

1496
01:12:18,412 --> 01:12:22,333
Speaker 8: indication that maybe something's not quite right. Doesn't mean anything's

1497
01:12:22,412 --> 01:12:23,732
Speaker 8: majorly wrong, it just means that.

1498
01:12:24,053 --> 01:12:27,532
Speaker 2: So and so it can detect that just by you know,

1499
01:12:27,732 --> 01:12:31,933
Speaker 2: the variations and your heartbeat or the the you know,

1500
01:12:32,053 --> 01:12:34,093
Speaker 2: the changes and rate of your heart beat or something

1501
01:12:34,173 --> 01:12:36,932
Speaker 2: like that. That's how it's measuring it is it No, it's.

1502
01:12:37,053 --> 01:12:41,293
Speaker 8: It's a it's a it's a sensor specifically designed to

1503
01:12:41,452 --> 01:12:42,892
Speaker 8: sense oxygen in your blood.

1504
01:12:43,333 --> 01:12:44,012
Speaker 5: Then there's another.

1505
01:12:44,333 --> 01:12:47,452
Speaker 8: Then there's another sensor on air wearables, which is obviously

1506
01:12:47,532 --> 01:12:50,732
Speaker 8: your heart rate. So that's measuring the amount of amount

1507
01:12:50,772 --> 01:12:54,412
Speaker 8: of beats that your heart you know, having making during

1508
01:12:54,492 --> 01:12:57,213
Speaker 8: the night or post exercise or during exercise. You know,

1509
01:12:57,333 --> 01:13:00,652
Speaker 8: you'll see a lot of athletes, runners, marathon runners, coast

1510
01:13:00,692 --> 01:13:03,932
Speaker 8: to coasters, they'll they'll be using that they'll be using

1511
01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:07,732
Speaker 8: those metris just to make sure that they're heading their target.

1512
01:13:07,812 --> 01:13:10,452
Speaker 8: They may pace and so forth, so that they get

1513
01:13:10,532 --> 01:13:14,093
Speaker 8: to you know, the whether they're competian and a speed

1514
01:13:14,173 --> 01:13:16,052
Speaker 8: event or an ensurance event.

1515
01:13:17,412 --> 01:13:17,612
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1516
01:13:17,812 --> 01:13:20,213
Speaker 3: Interesting, and you're talking, you know, we we haven't named

1517
01:13:20,253 --> 01:13:21,932
Speaker 3: your device, and we're not going to, but you're talking

1518
01:13:21,973 --> 01:13:25,532
Speaker 3: about things on that device that you claim can measure

1519
01:13:26,452 --> 01:13:28,532
Speaker 3: you know, those elements pretty accurately. But then when we

1520
01:13:28,612 --> 01:13:30,492
Speaker 3: look at and we're not going to name the device again,

1521
01:13:30,532 --> 01:13:35,532
Speaker 3: but some devices measure ECG, the electoro cardiogram, and when

1522
01:13:35,572 --> 01:13:37,333
Speaker 3: I look at that sort of stuff, Dave, that can

1523
01:13:37,452 --> 01:13:39,133
Speaker 3: be a bit dangerous, right, And I think a lot

1524
01:13:39,173 --> 01:13:41,852
Speaker 3: of those wearables will say that it's not completely accurate.

1525
01:13:41,933 --> 01:13:44,852
Speaker 3: But if people think that it may be more accurate,

1526
01:13:44,933 --> 01:13:47,532
Speaker 3: then going to a hospital. Is that where we start

1527
01:13:47,612 --> 01:13:49,652
Speaker 3: to get into danger territory a little bit?

1528
01:13:50,692 --> 01:13:54,852
Speaker 8: Correct, So so SG, the SG the wearables that kind

1529
01:13:54,893 --> 01:14:00,173
Speaker 8: of have ECG, now that's a metric that is very

1530
01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:02,932
Speaker 8: very dodgy for a lot of these wearables. You see

1531
01:14:02,973 --> 01:14:05,173
Speaker 8: them on YouTube, you see them on Facebook, you see

1532
01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:08,852
Speaker 8: them on Instagram and so forth. To get a real

1533
01:14:08,933 --> 01:14:12,173
Speaker 8: ECG measurement, you need to have you need to have

1534
01:14:12,253 --> 01:14:15,213
Speaker 8: any device put on your chest. And you know that's

1535
01:14:15,293 --> 01:14:19,053
Speaker 8: done medically. You know, I think people get can get

1536
01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:22,173
Speaker 8: carried away with seeing the pretty colors or the red

1537
01:14:22,372 --> 01:14:23,732
Speaker 8: the red you know, the red lines.

1538
01:14:24,053 --> 01:14:25,812
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right, I'm looking at it right now.

1539
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:26,972
Speaker 3: How you doing.

1540
01:14:28,452 --> 01:14:28,492
Speaker 4: So?

1541
01:14:28,933 --> 01:14:31,572
Speaker 8: Yeah, So you need to go with a brand that

1542
01:14:32,253 --> 01:14:37,732
Speaker 8: absolutely has got credibility and that actually the the those

1543
01:14:37,812 --> 01:14:41,692
Speaker 8: people that will be doctors and nurses are using and

1544
01:14:42,293 --> 01:14:45,852
Speaker 8: elite athletes are using to get good quality metrics. And

1545
01:14:46,013 --> 01:14:48,173
Speaker 8: that's the most important thing. Is so many other brands

1546
01:14:48,213 --> 01:14:50,692
Speaker 8: out there that say they'll do something, but they're actually

1547
01:14:50,812 --> 01:14:53,532
Speaker 8: not doing as well as job as you think.

1548
01:14:53,692 --> 01:14:55,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, thank you so much to be cool, Dave.

1549
01:14:55,532 --> 01:14:57,812
Speaker 2: So I've just done my ECG, which David says is

1550
01:14:57,893 --> 01:15:01,652
Speaker 2: not a reliable score, but it says this ECG does

1551
01:15:01,732 --> 01:15:04,812
Speaker 2: not show signs of a trill. Trill.

1552
01:15:07,013 --> 01:15:12,213
Speaker 3: That's that af Yeah, Gavin, what was it aterial fibulare.

1553
01:15:12,372 --> 01:15:14,133
Speaker 2: And it said my average heart beat has gone down

1554
01:15:14,173 --> 01:15:15,572
Speaker 2: to fifty two beats permanent.

1555
01:15:15,692 --> 01:15:16,612
Speaker 3: Oh, getting better.

1556
01:15:16,772 --> 01:15:19,572
Speaker 2: So I'm getting even less excited than I was before.

1557
01:15:19,973 --> 01:15:24,093
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty. It is nine to three

1558
01:15:24,213 --> 01:15:26,453
Speaker 3: bag fory surely listening to Matton Tyler.

1559
01:15:28,013 --> 01:15:30,412
Speaker 4: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1560
01:15:30,452 --> 01:15:31,053
Speaker 4: along the way.

1561
01:15:31,293 --> 01:15:35,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four.

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01:15:35,213 --> 01:15:36,132
Speaker 4: You've talked zed.

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01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:42,172
Speaker 3: Bqueno News talk ed B. You've been a wearable phanatic

1564
01:15:42,253 --> 01:15:44,333
Speaker 3: for some time, have you, well.

1565
01:15:44,652 --> 01:15:48,093
Speaker 11: About two and a half years. Yeah, So I acquired

1566
01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:50,932
Speaker 11: my watch. It was a hand me down. So my son,

1567
01:15:50,933 --> 01:15:53,412
Speaker 11: who's right into this sort of thing, he brought himself

1568
01:15:54,013 --> 01:15:56,692
Speaker 11: the latest one, and so he handed me down this

1569
01:15:56,853 --> 01:15:59,372
Speaker 11: old Apple watch. It's only your version two that doesn't

1570
01:15:59,412 --> 01:16:01,973
Speaker 11: have some of those features that your previous caller was

1571
01:16:02,013 --> 01:16:06,173
Speaker 11: talking about, as Matt was alluding to before. It does

1572
01:16:06,293 --> 01:16:09,333
Speaker 11: have the the three rings on it with exercise and

1573
01:16:10,612 --> 01:16:14,372
Speaker 11: and your stand hours, and I'm making my mission to

1574
01:16:14,412 --> 01:16:16,013
Speaker 11: try and close those every day.

1575
01:16:16,452 --> 01:16:16,692
Speaker 14: Love it.

1576
01:16:17,293 --> 01:16:20,253
Speaker 11: I think part of it is setting a realistic target

1577
01:16:21,053 --> 01:16:22,772
Speaker 11: for what you can achieve in a day and then

1578
01:16:23,213 --> 01:16:24,852
Speaker 11: and then making sure that you do it. And I

1579
01:16:24,893 --> 01:16:28,692
Speaker 11: think for me, you know, as you started on you

1580
01:16:28,772 --> 01:16:30,492
Speaker 11: fit this journey about two and a half years, goes

1581
01:16:30,572 --> 01:16:32,973
Speaker 11: way over weight, it was unfit and started to do

1582
01:16:33,093 --> 01:16:38,893
Speaker 11: something about it. And the watch has been excellent and

1583
01:16:39,253 --> 01:16:42,412
Speaker 11: just keeping me on track for making sure that I

1584
01:16:42,492 --> 01:16:43,012
Speaker 11: get it done.

1585
01:16:44,013 --> 01:16:47,772
Speaker 3: And so with the sort of the original technology, Paul,

1586
01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:49,652
Speaker 3: you say it's got the rings there, what else does

1587
01:16:49,692 --> 01:16:52,932
Speaker 3: it measure? It doesn't have the ECG or the oxygen

1588
01:16:53,053 --> 01:16:54,812
Speaker 3: levels in your blood or any any of that.

1589
01:16:54,853 --> 01:16:55,333
Speaker 5: Sort of stuff.

1590
01:16:55,372 --> 01:16:58,572
Speaker 11: Doesn't and it doesn't see the sleep thing either, so

1591
01:16:58,612 --> 01:17:01,053
Speaker 11: I don't wear at night, which is good. But no,

1592
01:17:01,213 --> 01:17:03,333
Speaker 11: it has everything else. I mean, it's got it's you know,

1593
01:17:03,372 --> 01:17:06,412
Speaker 11: it's the original Apple version two. I have watched too,

1594
01:17:06,532 --> 01:17:09,133
Speaker 11: so it's got you know, stead, it's got heart rate,

1595
01:17:09,213 --> 01:17:12,213
Speaker 11: it's got lots all. It can calculate the VOH because

1596
01:17:12,253 --> 01:17:14,372
Speaker 11: it can feed it into the into your phone so

1597
01:17:14,412 --> 01:17:17,612
Speaker 11: they can work it out. But but yeah, it's actually

1598
01:17:17,933 --> 01:17:20,452
Speaker 11: it's actually a really good for what I need, which

1599
01:17:20,532 --> 01:17:22,372
Speaker 11: is a step beside minute.

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01:17:24,253 --> 01:17:27,093
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree, Paul. It's sort

1601
01:17:27,093 --> 01:17:29,612
Speaker 2: of the gamification of fitness, and you get a little

1602
01:17:29,652 --> 01:17:31,652
Speaker 2: buzz when you've done it, and it keeps you honest,

1603
01:17:31,692 --> 01:17:34,333
Speaker 2: and it's some way to check in if you don't

1604
01:17:34,572 --> 01:17:36,612
Speaker 2: do it, you feel a little bit disappointed. I think

1605
01:17:36,612 --> 01:17:39,173
Speaker 2: it's a fantastic thing. And it's making me walk up

1606
01:17:39,173 --> 01:17:41,932
Speaker 2: the stairs here rather than taking the elevator, and that's

1607
01:17:41,933 --> 01:17:42,532
Speaker 2: a big change.

1608
01:17:42,893 --> 01:17:43,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1609
01:17:43,372 --> 01:17:46,133
Speaker 11: Well, you know, I know that I'm only three quarters

1610
01:17:46,333 --> 01:17:47,732
Speaker 11: way through my rings today.

1611
01:17:48,492 --> 01:17:49,492
Speaker 5: I had to go to the gym.

1612
01:17:50,853 --> 01:17:51,612
Speaker 3: We'll get to it, mate.

1613
01:17:52,412 --> 01:17:55,532
Speaker 2: You just in the dopamine hat of completing your rings,

1614
01:17:55,853 --> 01:17:56,492
Speaker 2: and it's worth it.

1615
01:17:59,093 --> 01:18:01,333
Speaker 11: On the converse, if I can't, if I can't close

1616
01:18:01,372 --> 01:18:03,532
Speaker 11: it for whatever reason, like I'm sick, I can't get

1617
01:18:03,532 --> 01:18:06,173
Speaker 11: to the gym, whatever, I don't get anxiety about it.

1618
01:18:06,333 --> 01:18:06,492
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1619
01:18:06,732 --> 01:18:09,452
Speaker 3: Nice, you're the perfect We're usable cool.

1620
01:18:09,612 --> 01:18:11,532
Speaker 2: Thank you for your call, Paula, and we had great

1621
01:18:11,532 --> 01:18:12,692
Speaker 2: discussion over the last hour.

1622
01:18:12,973 --> 01:18:14,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, right after three o'clock.

1623
01:18:14,772 --> 01:18:20,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking to doctor sal Murkogliano, who's maritime historian

1624
01:18:20,093 --> 01:18:23,412
Speaker 2: at Campbell University in North Carolina. He's got his thoughts

1625
01:18:23,612 --> 01:18:27,772
Speaker 2: on the Mana Wuanui auto pilot disaster, and let's just

1626
01:18:27,772 --> 01:18:29,372
Speaker 2: say it's got a lot to do with Ezzie POD's

1627
01:18:29,372 --> 01:18:32,652
Speaker 2: but it's a really really interesting theory that he's got

1628
01:18:32,692 --> 01:18:34,772
Speaker 2: going on this on this whole situation.

1629
01:18:35,093 --> 01:18:38,372
Speaker 3: Looking forward to that, you're listening to Matt and Tyler.

1630
01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:42,053
Speaker 3: Hope you're having a great afternoon. Three minutes to three.

1631
01:18:42,133 --> 01:18:43,012
Speaker 3: We'll see you again soon.

1632
01:18:44,053 --> 01:18:45,732
Speaker 4: Talking with you all afternoon.

1633
01:18:46,013 --> 01:18:49,492
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New for twenty

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01:18:49,572 --> 01:18:51,053
Speaker 1: twenty four News Talk.

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01:18:51,133 --> 01:18:54,333
Speaker 3: Zibby, welcome back into the show. Great to have your company.

1636
01:18:54,372 --> 01:18:56,452
Speaker 3: As always, it is seven past three.

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01:18:56,853 --> 01:18:59,612
Speaker 2: I'm excited about this. Doctor sale and Murkogliano is a

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01:18:59,772 --> 01:19:03,532
Speaker 2: maritime historian at Campbell University, North Carolina, a former merchant

1639
01:19:03,772 --> 01:19:05,852
Speaker 2: mariner and host of the What Is going On was

1640
01:19:06,013 --> 01:19:09,932
Speaker 2: Shipping on YouTube. We reached out to him after enjoying

1641
01:19:09,973 --> 01:19:15,852
Speaker 2: his international analysis of the Mono Anui autopilot disaster. Good afternoon, Sale,

1642
01:19:16,333 --> 01:19:20,012
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Nasal. Mono Nui was originally a commercial vessel

1643
01:19:20,612 --> 01:19:23,293
Speaker 2: converted for the navy. Do you think that had a

1644
01:19:23,372 --> 01:19:24,293
Speaker 2: bearing on the sinking?

1645
01:19:24,652 --> 01:19:25,253
Speaker 17: I think it did.

1646
01:19:25,532 --> 01:19:28,972
Speaker 18: The commercial vessel, the Eda Fomb, was designed for use

1647
01:19:29,293 --> 01:19:32,452
Speaker 18: up in the North Sea by the Norwegians, and as

1648
01:19:32,532 --> 01:19:35,652
Speaker 18: such it has a very unique propulsion system. It uses

1649
01:19:35,732 --> 01:19:40,333
Speaker 18: a series of what's called azipods, and unlike conventional navy

1650
01:19:40,452 --> 01:19:44,412
Speaker 18: vessels that have propellers and rudders as a pods require

1651
01:19:44,612 --> 01:19:48,972
Speaker 18: a lot of training to be very proficient in their use. Plus,

1652
01:19:49,093 --> 01:19:53,772
Speaker 18: it has a sophisticated autopilot system that requires familiarity with it,

1653
01:19:53,893 --> 01:19:57,572
Speaker 18: and it appears from the interim report given by the

1654
01:19:58,133 --> 01:20:01,612
Speaker 18: Admiral in charge of Navy that there was a lacking

1655
01:20:01,732 --> 01:20:06,053
Speaker 18: of knowledge in how to effectively shift from autopilot back

1656
01:20:06,093 --> 01:20:07,212
Speaker 18: into manual control.

1657
01:20:08,053 --> 01:20:11,052
Speaker 3: Such explain a little bit about how the azipods system

1658
01:20:11,452 --> 01:20:13,732
Speaker 3: works compeded to a traditional Navy vessel.

1659
01:20:14,013 --> 01:20:16,412
Speaker 18: Sure, so in a traditional vessel you would have a

1660
01:20:16,692 --> 01:20:19,532
Speaker 18: propeller and a rudder, turn the wheel and you kick

1661
01:20:19,612 --> 01:20:22,372
Speaker 18: the stern out of the vessel with as a pods.

1662
01:20:22,973 --> 01:20:26,692
Speaker 18: When you actually have individual control of the two as

1663
01:20:26,732 --> 01:20:30,452
Speaker 18: a pods, and the propellers are kind of suspended below

1664
01:20:30,532 --> 01:20:34,812
Speaker 18: the vessel and spin three hundred and sixty three hundred

1665
01:20:34,812 --> 01:20:38,293
Speaker 18: and sixty degrees around so that you don't actually throw

1666
01:20:38,612 --> 01:20:42,493
Speaker 18: a rudder per se. You can control the azipods individually,

1667
01:20:42,853 --> 01:20:45,772
Speaker 18: or you can slay them together and put them on

1668
01:20:46,173 --> 01:20:50,492
Speaker 18: single control through a knob. So it's a very unique system.

1669
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:54,492
Speaker 18: It takes a lot of familiarity to know how to

1670
01:20:54,572 --> 01:20:59,932
Speaker 18: operate the systems. It provides extremely precision maneuvering, It provides

1671
01:21:00,452 --> 01:21:04,053
Speaker 18: the ability to stop the vessel almost immediately, but it

1672
01:21:04,253 --> 01:21:07,732
Speaker 18: is an elaborate system and requires a lot of training

1673
01:21:07,853 --> 01:21:09,772
Speaker 18: to be perfe yes.

1674
01:21:10,013 --> 01:21:13,812
Speaker 2: So these are two independent They're thrusters, aren't they. But

1675
01:21:13,933 --> 01:21:17,093
Speaker 2: they're independent. They can be operated independently. But when you

1676
01:21:17,213 --> 01:21:20,732
Speaker 2: go into the autopilot mode, you've set a course, you've

1677
01:21:20,772 --> 01:21:23,213
Speaker 2: seen what you wanted to do, and the azipods are

1678
01:21:23,213 --> 01:21:25,572
Speaker 2: controlled by the navigation system.

1679
01:21:25,933 --> 01:21:29,253
Speaker 18: Well, it actually depends on the type of autopilot system

1680
01:21:29,293 --> 01:21:32,412
Speaker 18: that is on board the ship. Commercially, it had a

1681
01:21:32,612 --> 01:21:37,053
Speaker 18: very sophisticated what's called dynamic positioning system that allowed you

1682
01:21:37,253 --> 01:21:41,372
Speaker 18: to really input into a computer the track line basically

1683
01:21:41,412 --> 01:21:44,213
Speaker 18: where you want the vessel to go. But when the

1684
01:21:44,253 --> 01:21:47,253
Speaker 18: ship was converted from commercial over to the Royal New

1685
01:21:47,333 --> 01:21:51,253
Speaker 18: Zealand Navy, there is a question about was the full

1686
01:21:51,732 --> 01:21:56,533
Speaker 18: dynamic positioning system carried over or was there a modified

1687
01:21:56,652 --> 01:22:00,173
Speaker 18: autopilot system put on board. Auto pilots can do a

1688
01:22:00,253 --> 01:22:02,772
Speaker 18: variety of things. They can set your course and you

1689
01:22:02,893 --> 01:22:06,013
Speaker 18: follow a straight course line. They can do waypoints, so

1690
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:09,412
Speaker 18: you set up, go a line and come back. And

1691
01:22:09,612 --> 01:22:12,693
Speaker 18: during survey operations you really want to be on autopilot

1692
01:22:12,772 --> 01:22:16,412
Speaker 18: because you want to have the straightest course available. What

1693
01:22:16,652 --> 01:22:19,652
Speaker 18: was clear from the briefing was that the ship had

1694
01:22:19,692 --> 01:22:23,612
Speaker 18: shifted between manual and autopilot a few times. And what

1695
01:22:23,812 --> 01:22:26,932
Speaker 18: was clear is that they did not understand that they

1696
01:22:27,053 --> 01:22:30,493
Speaker 18: had put the ship into autopilot, at least a modified

1697
01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:34,572
Speaker 18: form of autopilot that allowed them to have throttle control.

1698
01:22:34,652 --> 01:22:37,372
Speaker 18: They sped up on the vessel, but they couldn't turn

1699
01:22:37,853 --> 01:22:39,972
Speaker 18: the acid pods to change course.

1700
01:22:41,173 --> 01:22:42,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is that normal? Because if you look at

1701
01:22:42,732 --> 01:22:46,852
Speaker 2: the path that they're traveling along and then they go

1702
01:22:46,973 --> 01:22:49,692
Speaker 2: out of all a pilot and then they execute a

1703
01:22:49,772 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 2: turn away from the reef, and then they go back

1704
01:22:52,933 --> 01:22:55,452
Speaker 2: into autopilot. So what you're saying is, in a full

1705
01:22:55,532 --> 01:22:57,612
Speaker 2: autopilot system, you would just set it up to scan

1706
01:22:57,732 --> 01:23:01,133
Speaker 2: that reef on its own and execute all the tunes

1707
01:23:01,173 --> 01:23:03,093
Speaker 2: itself without going in and out of autopilot.

1708
01:23:03,412 --> 01:23:07,133
Speaker 18: Right on an autopilot system, it's almost like a car

1709
01:23:07,293 --> 01:23:09,892
Speaker 18: with automatic lane changes or changing the speed.

1710
01:23:10,412 --> 01:23:11,372
Speaker 8: It will do it for you.

1711
01:23:11,612 --> 01:23:14,412
Speaker 18: You can program in the course change, put in the

1712
01:23:14,532 --> 01:23:16,652
Speaker 18: limits to how much rudder you want to use, or

1713
01:23:16,652 --> 01:23:19,253
Speaker 18: how much adipods you want to use, and it will

1714
01:23:19,333 --> 01:23:22,213
Speaker 18: make those changes for you. It was strange to me

1715
01:23:22,412 --> 01:23:24,732
Speaker 18: that they kept hopping in and out of that mode

1716
01:23:25,053 --> 01:23:28,612
Speaker 18: because it led obviously to the disaster that you saw,

1717
01:23:29,173 --> 01:23:30,492
Speaker 18: and more importantly, it put.

1718
01:23:30,412 --> 01:23:31,493
Speaker 2: Them into a mode.

1719
01:23:31,612 --> 01:23:33,772
Speaker 18: Where they had throttle control, they can make the ship

1720
01:23:33,853 --> 01:23:36,732
Speaker 18: go faster or slower, but they didn't have helm control

1721
01:23:36,772 --> 01:23:37,612
Speaker 18: where they can steer it.

1722
01:23:37,933 --> 01:23:40,012
Speaker 2: Well, it looks like the autopilot was on for teen

1723
01:23:40,173 --> 01:23:43,013
Speaker 2: minutes before it was turned off. How easily can you

1724
01:23:43,173 --> 01:23:46,213
Speaker 2: check that a ship like the Mono Annui has its

1725
01:23:46,293 --> 01:23:47,093
Speaker 2: autopilot on?

1726
01:23:47,532 --> 01:23:47,812
Speaker 14: Is there?

1727
01:23:48,452 --> 01:23:48,692
Speaker 4: Is there?

1728
01:23:48,812 --> 01:23:48,852
Speaker 8: No?

1729
01:23:49,213 --> 01:23:51,492
Speaker 2: I mean when auto when are you talking about lane

1730
01:23:51,572 --> 01:23:53,173
Speaker 2: change in the car? It's pretty clear when it's on.

1731
01:23:53,333 --> 01:23:55,933
Speaker 2: You can see it on the screen. Is it not

1732
01:23:56,053 --> 01:23:58,013
Speaker 2: a light flashing saying you're on autopilot?

1733
01:23:58,532 --> 01:24:01,253
Speaker 18: It depends on the system. Again, we know that it

1734
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:03,893
Speaker 18: had a very sophisticated system on board when it was

1735
01:24:03,933 --> 01:24:06,732
Speaker 18: a commercial vessel. It's not clear that that same system

1736
01:24:07,412 --> 01:24:11,052
Speaker 18: was carried over, and so familiarity with the system would

1737
01:24:11,093 --> 01:24:14,412
Speaker 18: be a paramount. I mean, they should have indications for

1738
01:24:14,612 --> 01:24:17,652
Speaker 18: when that system is engaged, and even if when it's

1739
01:24:17,692 --> 01:24:20,612
Speaker 18: engaged in a limited fashion as it appeared to be here,

1740
01:24:22,053 --> 01:24:24,692
Speaker 18: you know, leaving it in autopilot mode. Again, one of

1741
01:24:24,772 --> 01:24:27,812
Speaker 18: the things that came up in the briefing was the

1742
01:24:27,933 --> 01:24:30,253
Speaker 18: crew did not believe that they were in autopilot. They

1743
01:24:30,333 --> 01:24:33,732
Speaker 18: thought they had a thruster failure, and so they started

1744
01:24:33,812 --> 01:24:36,973
Speaker 18: handling it like a thruster failure, and so they did

1745
01:24:37,053 --> 01:24:39,692
Speaker 18: not assume that it was locked into autopilot. It is

1746
01:24:39,812 --> 01:24:43,612
Speaker 18: only later ten minutes later, when probably other crew members

1747
01:24:43,652 --> 01:24:45,933
Speaker 18: came up to the bridge, senior crew members came up,

1748
01:24:46,412 --> 01:24:49,213
Speaker 18: did they realize that they were locked into autopilot.

1749
01:24:50,133 --> 01:24:53,253
Speaker 3: And your experience was that a significant lack of training.

1750
01:24:53,333 --> 01:24:55,732
Speaker 3: The fact that when they tried to divert course will

1751
01:24:55,812 --> 01:24:58,732
Speaker 3: slow the vessel down, they ended up picking up speed.

1752
01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:00,852
Speaker 3: Is that just a drastic lack of training?

1753
01:25:01,532 --> 01:25:04,973
Speaker 18: It is It is a clear lack of familiarity with

1754
01:25:05,053 --> 01:25:08,132
Speaker 18: the system. And you know, there was a very similar

1755
01:25:08,412 --> 01:25:13,093
Speaker 18: occasion in twenty seventeen when the USS McCain was maneuvering

1756
01:25:13,173 --> 01:25:16,772
Speaker 18: going into Singapore, and that was due to a lack

1757
01:25:16,812 --> 01:25:20,852
Speaker 18: of familiarity with this system and how to switch between

1758
01:25:21,013 --> 01:25:24,293
Speaker 18: modes and when you're operating close to a reef as

1759
01:25:24,372 --> 01:25:28,372
Speaker 18: they were, familiarity was really keen. I mean, I'm really

1760
01:25:28,412 --> 01:25:30,652
Speaker 18: at a loss to understand why they didn't just stay

1761
01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:34,372
Speaker 18: in manual mode until they were on the core setting

1762
01:25:34,452 --> 01:25:36,452
Speaker 18: they wanted to Yeah.

1763
01:25:36,293 --> 01:25:38,612
Speaker 2: Because what you've got here is they accelerate from six

1764
01:25:38,692 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 2: knots to ten knots towards the reef, which looks like

1765
01:25:43,452 --> 01:25:46,852
Speaker 2: they've increased thrust. Is that because they were assuming that

1766
01:25:46,973 --> 01:25:50,652
Speaker 2: the azipods were one eighty degrees in the other direction

1767
01:25:51,133 --> 01:25:54,093
Speaker 2: than what they expected. So using the azipods to slow

1768
01:25:54,133 --> 01:25:57,652
Speaker 2: themselves down, they actually used them to speed themselves up

1769
01:25:57,652 --> 01:25:58,612
Speaker 2: by increasing the thrust.

1770
01:25:58,812 --> 01:26:00,812
Speaker 18: Right, what I would envision they did it was was

1771
01:26:00,933 --> 01:26:01,973
Speaker 18: spin the azipods.

1772
01:26:02,053 --> 01:26:02,133
Speaker 17: One.

1773
01:26:02,572 --> 01:26:08,253
Speaker 18: They assumed the azipods were rotating, and actually on Manawanui,

1774
01:26:08,853 --> 01:26:11,973
Speaker 18: it actually has propellers on both front and halt of

1775
01:26:12,053 --> 01:26:15,412
Speaker 18: the az A pods, and so it actually there's a

1776
01:26:15,652 --> 01:26:18,213
Speaker 18: video of the dry docking of her, and so she

1777
01:26:18,333 --> 01:26:21,452
Speaker 18: actually has props on both ends of the az A pods.

1778
01:26:21,973 --> 01:26:24,692
Speaker 18: And so they envisioned that they were reversing the props,

1779
01:26:24,732 --> 01:26:28,052
Speaker 18: they were getting a spin around and actually backing down

1780
01:26:28,133 --> 01:26:30,572
Speaker 18: on it. And what was clear is they didn't, and

1781
01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:33,253
Speaker 18: that the speed up should have told them that they

1782
01:26:33,293 --> 01:26:35,532
Speaker 18: should have been watching the gauges to tell them that

1783
01:26:35,612 --> 01:26:39,532
Speaker 18: they were accelerating, not decelerating. The biggest thing they could

1784
01:26:39,572 --> 01:26:42,852
Speaker 18: have done was take speed off period, just slow down.

1785
01:26:43,612 --> 01:26:46,412
Speaker 18: You know, that would have at least mitigated the potential

1786
01:26:46,452 --> 01:26:48,572
Speaker 18: of running as hard up on the reef as they did.

1787
01:26:49,333 --> 01:26:52,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they started spading up towards the RAF, they

1788
01:26:52,133 --> 01:26:54,933
Speaker 2: would have been quite a moment for them. During a

1789
01:26:55,013 --> 01:26:57,293
Speaker 2: RAF scanning maneuver like this, would the commander of the

1790
01:26:57,333 --> 01:26:58,372
Speaker 2: ship normally be on the.

1791
01:26:58,412 --> 01:27:02,773
Speaker 18: Bridge, you know, it depends on the standard operating procedure

1792
01:27:03,492 --> 01:27:06,612
Speaker 18: for the ship. They were doing that survey for twenty

1793
01:27:06,652 --> 01:27:09,173
Speaker 18: two hours, so I mean, that's obviously a long protracted

1794
01:27:09,692 --> 01:27:11,892
Speaker 18: period of time to have the ship's cap on the bridge,

1795
01:27:12,372 --> 01:27:15,213
Speaker 18: but it wouldn't be unusual to have you know, maybe

1796
01:27:15,293 --> 01:27:17,612
Speaker 18: the captain or the executive officer on the bridge if

1797
01:27:17,612 --> 01:27:22,133
Speaker 18: they deemed it as dangerous operation. You know, the fact

1798
01:27:22,173 --> 01:27:24,053
Speaker 18: that they weren't up there tells me they didn't view

1799
01:27:24,093 --> 01:27:28,333
Speaker 18: it as a hazardous operation. They were running lines, you know,

1800
01:27:28,492 --> 01:27:32,653
Speaker 18: basically mowing the grass, trying to do their survey operations.

1801
01:27:32,692 --> 01:27:36,213
Speaker 18: But as they were getting closer and closer towards the reef,

1802
01:27:36,853 --> 01:27:40,412
Speaker 18: that may have you know, it may have caused more

1803
01:27:40,532 --> 01:27:44,492
Speaker 18: concern and hazard for the crew. But you know, the

1804
01:27:44,572 --> 01:27:48,452
Speaker 18: captains will set their standard procedures for a vessel, and

1805
01:27:48,692 --> 01:27:51,652
Speaker 18: it seems as if the captain here did not do that,

1806
01:27:52,013 --> 01:27:56,253
Speaker 18: or the officer on watch neglected to call the captain

1807
01:27:56,372 --> 01:27:58,293
Speaker 18: for a hazardous maneuver.

1808
01:27:59,133 --> 01:27:59,652
Speaker 7: We just don't know.

1809
01:27:59,692 --> 01:28:02,133
Speaker 18: There's not enough information for us to make that call yet.

1810
01:28:02,372 --> 01:28:04,492
Speaker 3: This is fascinating stuff, doug Ga style. If you don't

1811
01:28:04,572 --> 01:28:06,852
Speaker 3: mind holding there for a few moments, We've got a

1812
01:28:06,893 --> 01:28:08,772
Speaker 3: few more questions for you. This is but we are

1813
01:28:08,853 --> 01:28:12,892
Speaker 3: speaking to doctor sul Murcogliano, professor at the US Merchant

1814
01:28:12,973 --> 01:28:17,412
Speaker 3: Marine Academy. More shortly, it is sixteen past three, nineteen

1815
01:28:17,532 --> 01:28:21,532
Speaker 3: past three. We're having a fascinating interview with doctor shle mccagliano,

1816
01:28:21,612 --> 01:28:24,612
Speaker 3: he's a professor at the US Merchant Marine Academy, on

1817
01:28:24,732 --> 01:28:27,652
Speaker 3: his analysis of the money Whenui's sinking SARL. It was

1818
01:28:27,772 --> 01:28:30,532
Speaker 3: mentioned in the report that there were critical errors that

1819
01:28:30,612 --> 01:28:35,692
Speaker 3: were identified training, planning, supervision, risk assessment and readiness. With

1820
01:28:35,893 --> 01:28:39,412
Speaker 3: all of those elements that have been identified, that's probably

1821
01:28:39,452 --> 01:28:41,372
Speaker 3: not a good look for the commander, is it.

1822
01:28:41,652 --> 01:28:44,333
Speaker 18: I think that's damning of not just the captain, but

1823
01:28:44,652 --> 01:28:48,093
Speaker 18: potentially the entire Royal New Zealand Navy. If this is

1824
01:28:48,133 --> 01:28:51,852
Speaker 18: an issue across the board. That is areas. I mean

1825
01:28:51,893 --> 01:28:54,253
Speaker 18: those are critical areas you know, to operate a.

1826
01:28:54,253 --> 01:28:58,812
Speaker 2: Battle, training, planning, supervision, assessment, and readiness. They all seem

1827
01:28:58,853 --> 01:28:59,333
Speaker 2: pretty key.

1828
01:29:00,213 --> 01:29:03,253
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean those are almost every area you can envision.

1829
01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:06,692
Speaker 18: And so this is either very damning for the ship's

1830
01:29:06,772 --> 01:29:11,213
Speaker 18: captain or it's very across the entire fleet. If this isn't,

1831
01:29:11,412 --> 01:29:14,253
Speaker 18: you know, an issue across the entire fleet, then it

1832
01:29:14,372 --> 01:29:18,093
Speaker 18: raises into question of the ability of other vessels. Again,

1833
01:29:18,213 --> 01:29:22,293
Speaker 18: Manawanui is a very unique type ship. It's common out

1834
01:29:22,372 --> 01:29:26,452
Speaker 18: in the commercial industry, but within navies it's very unique.

1835
01:29:26,612 --> 01:29:29,652
Speaker 18: Although we do see navies adopting the use of this

1836
01:29:29,812 --> 01:29:33,452
Speaker 18: type vessel. The Royal Navy has brought a very similar

1837
01:29:33,532 --> 01:29:36,013
Speaker 18: vessel in and the US Navy has brought a very

1838
01:29:36,053 --> 01:29:37,772
Speaker 18: similar vessel into the fleet.

1839
01:29:37,893 --> 01:29:41,972
Speaker 2: We're talking to doctor cel mccagliano, Professa at the US

1840
01:29:42,133 --> 01:29:46,653
Speaker 2: Merchant Marine Academy about the manouanuis thinking, how real globally

1841
01:29:46,933 --> 01:29:52,692
Speaker 2: is it for a naval ship to sink in peace time?

1842
01:29:53,253 --> 01:29:55,892
Speaker 18: Well, I mean you've you've had issues like the von

1843
01:29:55,973 --> 01:29:59,732
Speaker 18: Hamer Shard in San Diego catching fire and you know,

1844
01:29:59,853 --> 01:30:03,052
Speaker 18: basically being not thinking but being a constructive total loss.

1845
01:30:04,013 --> 01:30:07,372
Speaker 18: The US Navy lost a minesweeper aground in the South

1846
01:30:07,492 --> 01:30:11,532
Speaker 18: China Sea about a decade ago. It's not a rare occurrent,

1847
01:30:11,772 --> 01:30:15,532
Speaker 18: it's not a common occurrence, but it does happen. I mean,

1848
01:30:15,692 --> 01:30:19,093
Speaker 18: operating on the high seas is always a risk. And

1849
01:30:19,372 --> 01:30:22,532
Speaker 18: one of the big questions I have is why was

1850
01:30:22,652 --> 01:30:27,333
Speaker 18: Mono Lanui performing such a very delicate operation as close

1851
01:30:27,412 --> 01:30:31,372
Speaker 18: to shore when you could use autonomous vehicles, you can

1852
01:30:31,532 --> 01:30:35,293
Speaker 18: use a variety of different platforms to do it. Granted,

1853
01:30:35,333 --> 01:30:38,173
Speaker 18: the Royal New Zealand Navy doesn't have the money and

1854
01:30:38,253 --> 01:30:40,812
Speaker 18: capabilities of many other navies and that may have been

1855
01:30:40,853 --> 01:30:44,052
Speaker 18: the reason that it was being done Economy of scale.

1856
01:30:44,133 --> 01:30:49,652
Speaker 3: Here you mentioned in your analysis so that sources have

1857
01:30:49,893 --> 01:30:53,173
Speaker 3: told you that our government did not pay the money

1858
01:30:53,253 --> 01:30:56,693
Speaker 3: to get the full dynamic position system, that the autopilot

1859
01:30:56,812 --> 01:30:59,093
Speaker 3: is highly likely to be incomplete. Would you expect that

1860
01:30:59,213 --> 01:31:01,532
Speaker 3: to come out of the Court of Inquiry that is

1861
01:31:01,652 --> 01:31:02,372
Speaker 3: currently underway.

1862
01:31:02,532 --> 01:31:05,213
Speaker 18: I would hope the Court of Inquiry would talk to

1863
01:31:05,412 --> 01:31:09,093
Speaker 18: the Classification Society that is the third party entity that

1864
01:31:09,253 --> 01:31:14,293
Speaker 18: certifies vessel and when Monomanui was a commercial vessel, the

1865
01:31:14,452 --> 01:31:18,452
Speaker 18: classification society would have ensured that the ship had a

1866
01:31:18,612 --> 01:31:22,492
Speaker 18: system suitable for use in operation, so that it could

1867
01:31:22,532 --> 01:31:25,532
Speaker 18: be properly ensured. I would think that the Court of

1868
01:31:25,612 --> 01:31:31,293
Speaker 18: Inquiry would discuss the autopilot system in detail, what type

1869
01:31:31,333 --> 01:31:34,052
Speaker 18: of system. When we look at what happened on board

1870
01:31:34,173 --> 01:31:38,572
Speaker 18: USS McCain in twenty seventeen, the helm system was a

1871
01:31:38,772 --> 01:31:42,692
Speaker 18: major function that was looked at because the operating crew,

1872
01:31:42,812 --> 01:31:46,532
Speaker 18: the personnel using that system, we're not familiar with it.

1873
01:31:46,612 --> 01:31:48,812
Speaker 18: They had come over from another ship that had a

1874
01:31:48,893 --> 01:31:52,732
Speaker 18: different system and therefore they were unfamiliar with it. So

1875
01:31:53,133 --> 01:31:55,213
Speaker 18: I would think it would be a major issue within

1876
01:31:55,973 --> 01:31:57,612
Speaker 18: the Court of Inquiry.

1877
01:31:58,133 --> 01:32:01,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what if a autopilot system they have or

1878
01:32:01,253 --> 01:32:03,692
Speaker 2: on other ships. I think it'd be good to invest

1879
01:32:03,772 --> 01:32:06,732
Speaker 2: in a big flashing light that sees autopilot on at

1880
01:32:06,772 --> 01:32:08,732
Speaker 2: any given times I know it's going on.

1881
01:32:09,372 --> 01:32:12,093
Speaker 18: There's there's also concern that you knock a ship out

1882
01:32:12,133 --> 01:32:15,173
Speaker 18: of autopilot and not know about it. There, there's there,

1883
01:32:15,253 --> 01:32:17,692
Speaker 18: there's there's a reason to have kind of redundancy in

1884
01:32:17,772 --> 01:32:21,053
Speaker 18: your ortal pilot system so that it can't be inadvertently

1885
01:32:21,213 --> 01:32:23,893
Speaker 18: noted out of auto pilot. The airline industry learned that

1886
01:32:24,372 --> 01:32:27,052
Speaker 18: to their detriment, when you know, you could just bump

1887
01:32:27,293 --> 01:32:30,852
Speaker 18: the controller and the ship comes out of ortal pilot

1888
01:32:31,293 --> 01:32:33,692
Speaker 18: and then all of a sudden you have a plane

1889
01:32:33,812 --> 01:32:37,253
Speaker 18: descending without the pilots being aware of that. So, I

1890
01:32:37,572 --> 01:32:41,173
Speaker 18: mean there's reasons for for the creation of systems. It's

1891
01:32:41,253 --> 01:32:44,492
Speaker 18: it's it's usually an accident of some kind that that

1892
01:32:45,053 --> 01:32:47,052
Speaker 18: is the the underlying cause.

1893
01:32:47,333 --> 01:32:51,053
Speaker 2: Finally, would you describe this as a humiliating incident for

1894
01:32:51,532 --> 01:32:53,052
Speaker 2: the Royal New Zealand Navy.

1895
01:32:53,293 --> 01:32:55,892
Speaker 18: I don't like to use that phrase because I think

1896
01:32:55,893 --> 01:32:58,293
Speaker 18: it's an accident and accidents will always happen as long

1897
01:32:58,372 --> 01:33:02,053
Speaker 18: as you have humans interfacing with machinery, especially at sea,

1898
01:33:02,652 --> 01:33:06,012
Speaker 18: you're going to use loose vessels. Just being at sea

1899
01:33:06,572 --> 01:33:09,492
Speaker 18: on a flat Colm day is a risky proposition. The

1900
01:33:09,572 --> 01:33:12,852
Speaker 18: sea always is trying to kill you. And the way

1901
01:33:12,933 --> 01:33:16,013
Speaker 18: the sea is, yeah, it looks calm and inviting, but

1902
01:33:16,732 --> 01:33:19,772
Speaker 18: you're always fighting that and unfortunately, when you let your

1903
01:33:19,812 --> 01:33:23,412
Speaker 18: guard down is typically when the sea wins. And so

1904
01:33:24,053 --> 01:33:27,492
Speaker 18: I don't consider it a humiliating lass. I hope, if anything,

1905
01:33:27,652 --> 01:33:30,612
Speaker 18: like many events, we learn from it. So hopefully there's

1906
01:33:30,612 --> 01:33:31,973
Speaker 18: a there's a lesson learned from it.

1907
01:33:32,253 --> 01:33:33,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean for New Zealand, it's a bit

1908
01:33:33,973 --> 01:33:36,372
Speaker 2: of a problem because it's twelve point five percent of

1909
01:33:36,612 --> 01:33:38,253
Speaker 2: parents or a navy fleet, so.

1910
01:33:39,812 --> 01:33:41,053
Speaker 7: I know the big part.

1911
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:49,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was doctor cel Mircogliano. If you want to

1912
01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:54,053
Speaker 2: see a full analysis of his thoughts on the MANOOI

1913
01:33:54,452 --> 01:33:58,333
Speaker 2: autopilot disaster, then look up the what is going On

1914
01:33:58,532 --> 01:34:01,053
Speaker 2: in Shipping channel on YouTube. Very interesting man.

1915
01:34:01,173 --> 01:34:03,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that interview. And it is twenty four

1916
01:34:03,372 --> 01:34:03,852
Speaker 3: past three.

1917
01:34:04,013 --> 01:34:04,492
Speaker 5: Good uh.

1918
01:34:07,692 --> 01:34:11,093
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1919
01:34:11,133 --> 01:34:13,293
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on US talk ZB.

1920
01:34:13,333 --> 01:34:15,013
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, twenty six past three.

1921
01:34:15,133 --> 01:34:17,412
Speaker 2: Now moving on from a one hundred and thirty million

1922
01:34:17,492 --> 01:34:21,972
Speaker 2: dollar maritime disaster to a more important issue. Yes, fake

1923
01:34:22,173 --> 01:34:23,412
Speaker 2: versus real Christmas tree.

1924
01:34:23,612 --> 01:34:24,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, there has to be discussed.

1925
01:34:24,893 --> 01:34:29,612
Speaker 2: We are at December three. That means Christmas tree buying

1926
01:34:29,772 --> 01:34:33,692
Speaker 2: season is in full flight. I just bought a fully

1927
01:34:33,812 --> 01:34:36,612
Speaker 2: real Christmas tree. I bought it on Friday on the

1928
01:34:36,652 --> 01:34:38,333
Speaker 2: way to work, put it in my car, left it

1929
01:34:38,372 --> 01:34:40,612
Speaker 2: there all day. It's put resin everywhere. There's needles all

1930
01:34:40,612 --> 01:34:43,293
Speaker 2: over the place. But my car does smell piny fresh.

1931
01:34:43,652 --> 01:34:45,013
Speaker 2: And I'll put it up in my house, and it

1932
01:34:45,093 --> 01:34:50,213
Speaker 2: looks absolutely beautiful. As I say, the smell, the lights.

1933
01:34:50,293 --> 01:34:53,933
Speaker 2: I am one hundred percent in on real Christmas.

1934
01:34:53,612 --> 01:34:55,933
Speaker 3: Tree tasteful decorations. I've got to say as well, you

1935
01:34:56,013 --> 01:34:58,492
Speaker 3: sent through a photo looking beautiful with the Christmas light's

1936
01:34:58,532 --> 01:35:03,612
Speaker 3: going all day. But I hear what you say, real tree.

1937
01:35:03,732 --> 01:35:05,692
Speaker 3: I love the idea of a real tree. As you say,

1938
01:35:05,732 --> 01:35:07,932
Speaker 3: it smells nice, it's good for the environment. I don't

1939
01:35:07,933 --> 01:35:09,173
Speaker 3: know about the right. So how much did you pay

1940
01:35:09,173 --> 01:35:09,572
Speaker 3: for your tree?

1941
01:35:10,173 --> 01:35:11,892
Speaker 2: I paid seventy dollars for my tree?

1942
01:35:11,933 --> 01:35:12,932
Speaker 3: Oh, there's pretty reasonable.

1943
01:35:13,732 --> 01:35:15,333
Speaker 2: There's plus is a new way they can get money,

1944
01:35:15,372 --> 01:35:17,612
Speaker 2: because this is how the Christmas tree places they sell

1945
01:35:17,652 --> 01:35:18,692
Speaker 2: the tree get the tree.

1946
01:35:18,772 --> 01:35:18,892
Speaker 4: Now.

1947
01:35:19,013 --> 01:35:22,812
Speaker 2: And then there's the special tree holder what do you

1948
01:35:22,893 --> 01:35:24,333
Speaker 2: call it, the sort of thing with the screws and

1949
01:35:24,372 --> 01:35:26,692
Speaker 2: it to hold it in place. Yep, yep, that's more.

1950
01:35:27,093 --> 01:35:29,652
Speaker 2: It's not just a bucket with rocks anymore. But now

1951
01:35:29,812 --> 01:35:32,253
Speaker 2: there's another thing that they try and sally, which is

1952
01:35:32,293 --> 01:35:36,653
Speaker 2: these little balls, these little around balls of tree nutrients

1953
01:35:36,732 --> 01:35:39,572
Speaker 2: that will apparently keep it going right up till after Christmas.

1954
01:35:39,973 --> 01:35:41,732
Speaker 3: Who did they get rid of it? Do they come

1955
01:35:41,772 --> 01:35:43,892
Speaker 3: around and collect the dead tree once Christmas is done

1956
01:35:43,933 --> 01:35:44,372
Speaker 3: and dusted.

1957
01:35:44,612 --> 01:35:46,412
Speaker 2: I didn't pay that. I didn't pay that. I'll just

1958
01:35:46,452 --> 01:35:48,612
Speaker 2: hit it into the neighbor's yard and they can deal

1959
01:35:48,652 --> 01:35:48,812
Speaker 2: with it.

1960
01:35:49,293 --> 01:35:49,372
Speaker 4: Now.

1961
01:35:49,412 --> 01:35:51,333
Speaker 2: I didn't pay for the pick up. The pickup would

1962
01:35:51,333 --> 01:35:52,412
Speaker 2: be good, though, I think, oh.

1963
01:35:52,372 --> 01:35:54,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, When would you expect the pickup? Would you

1964
01:35:55,372 --> 01:35:56,333
Speaker 3: leave it up until fair?

1965
01:35:56,532 --> 01:35:59,052
Speaker 2: Well, that's the whole thing with the pickup, the pickup.

1966
01:35:59,652 --> 01:36:01,333
Speaker 2: And this is another thing with the real Christmas tree.

1967
01:36:01,333 --> 01:36:03,053
Speaker 2: And this is the one downside is you go away

1968
01:36:03,093 --> 01:36:06,013
Speaker 2: on holiday after Christmas and then you come back and

1969
01:36:06,093 --> 01:36:08,452
Speaker 2: it's well past the Christmas season and you've got this

1970
01:36:08,652 --> 01:36:11,093
Speaker 2: kind of welting tree in the corner of your room

1971
01:36:11,933 --> 01:36:13,612
Speaker 2: flashing away and you have to deal with it. You

1972
01:36:13,692 --> 01:36:15,692
Speaker 2: have to clean up the Christmas decorations, you know. So

1973
01:36:16,053 --> 01:36:18,253
Speaker 2: I'm actually a big believer in getting rid of the

1974
01:36:18,293 --> 01:36:20,213
Speaker 2: Christmas tree on Boxing day before you go on holiday.

1975
01:36:20,452 --> 01:36:23,333
Speaker 3: That's smart. Well, I know that you're you hate Edmund.

1976
01:36:23,893 --> 01:36:26,213
Speaker 3: Edmund is the scourge of life. You know, We've got

1977
01:36:26,333 --> 01:36:28,572
Speaker 3: Edmon everywhere. Yeah, and I'm sorry to say, but the

1978
01:36:28,612 --> 01:36:30,452
Speaker 3: real tree love the idea of it. That's a heck

1979
01:36:30,492 --> 01:36:31,732
Speaker 3: of a lot of Edmund. You've got to get the

1980
01:36:31,893 --> 01:36:33,492
Speaker 3: we stand for it. You've got to get these little

1981
01:36:33,492 --> 01:36:34,813
Speaker 3: bulls that have the nutrients.

1982
01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:35,492
Speaker 2: You got to watch.

1983
01:36:35,812 --> 01:36:38,772
Speaker 3: How's Colin with the tree? He tries to rip it apart.

1984
01:36:38,853 --> 01:36:40,973
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't try it well, not my dog Colin. No, No,

1985
01:36:41,093 --> 01:36:43,053
Speaker 2: he's a good boy. It's a good boy. I mean

1986
01:36:43,093 --> 01:36:44,972
Speaker 2: one year he did WI on the presence, but that's

1987
01:36:44,973 --> 01:36:46,973
Speaker 2: a totally different issue. That was whether it had been

1988
01:36:47,013 --> 01:36:49,053
Speaker 2: a real tree or an artificial tree. He was ready

1989
01:36:49,093 --> 01:36:50,012
Speaker 2: to WI on those presents.

1990
01:36:50,093 --> 01:36:52,532
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I had hundred See I mean again, I

1991
01:36:52,853 --> 01:36:56,652
Speaker 3: undred eighty ten eighty real versus fake tree. We've gone

1992
01:36:56,692 --> 01:36:59,052
Speaker 3: fake for the last ten years. Yes, it's not pretty.

1993
01:36:59,093 --> 01:37:00,812
Speaker 3: I'm not inviting my mates around to say, hey, have

1994
01:37:00,853 --> 01:37:02,572
Speaker 3: a look at our tree, isn't it great? I don't

1995
01:37:02,572 --> 01:37:05,092
Speaker 3: do all those things. It just was there in the corner.

1996
01:37:05,213 --> 01:37:07,612
Speaker 3: It's nice for me and May and the dog. But

1997
01:37:07,812 --> 01:37:11,532
Speaker 3: the ad is pretty much non existent. Once we get

1998
01:37:11,612 --> 01:37:13,253
Speaker 3: to the end of Christmas. Put it back into the

1999
01:37:13,293 --> 01:37:14,093
Speaker 3: box for another year.

2000
01:37:14,293 --> 01:37:19,572
Speaker 2: Happy day, joyless, soulless, joyless. It's not really Christmas. If

2001
01:37:19,572 --> 01:37:22,412
Speaker 2: you don't have a proper Christmas tree, with the proper

2002
01:37:22,492 --> 01:37:27,133
Speaker 2: Christmas tree sell smell, you're not really having Christmas at all.

2003
01:37:27,412 --> 01:37:29,812
Speaker 2: It's a soulless experience and you should be ashamed of yourself.

2004
01:37:29,853 --> 01:37:32,173
Speaker 3: Should I be sitting one up now considering the fact

2005
01:37:32,213 --> 01:37:33,772
Speaker 3: that we're going to be in christ Church for Christmas,

2006
01:37:33,812 --> 01:37:37,212
Speaker 3: but I've got twenty days to enjoy this joy of Christmas?

2007
01:37:37,253 --> 01:37:38,652
Speaker 3: Well I should be buying when I'm sitting it up

2008
01:37:38,732 --> 01:37:38,932
Speaker 3: right now.

2009
01:37:39,412 --> 01:37:41,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Christmas isn't just the twenty fifth, mate,

2010
01:37:42,093 --> 01:37:45,852
Speaker 2: It's all of December. It's all of December all the

2011
01:37:45,853 --> 01:37:47,932
Speaker 2: way and then all the way up to the twenty

2012
01:37:47,973 --> 01:37:49,852
Speaker 2: six There's twenty six days of Christmas, if you ask me.

2013
01:37:50,133 --> 01:37:52,012
Speaker 2: And they need to be celebrated with a real tree.

2014
01:37:52,133 --> 01:37:54,213
Speaker 3: This person knows via nine two nine two. There's no

2015
01:37:54,293 --> 01:37:56,253
Speaker 3: way that Tyler is going to go for a real tree.

2016
01:37:56,452 --> 01:37:58,053
Speaker 3: There's a fire risk. Absolutely.

2017
01:37:58,572 --> 01:37:58,692
Speaker 5: Oh.

2018
01:37:58,772 --> 01:38:00,333
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten and eighty is the

2019
01:38:00,372 --> 01:38:03,652
Speaker 3: number to call. Nine two ninety two real versus fake.

2020
01:38:03,692 --> 01:38:05,372
Speaker 3: And I've got to say I've seen a lot of

2021
01:38:05,372 --> 01:38:08,093
Speaker 3: people selling real trees this year. Usually they sell out.

2022
01:38:08,093 --> 01:38:10,173
Speaker 3: But love to hear from you on this one. It

2023
01:38:10,372 --> 01:38:18,013
Speaker 3: is bang on half past three. Mechinamooduce talks be headlines

2024
01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:21,333
Speaker 3: with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2025
01:38:21,893 --> 01:38:26,013
Speaker 12: No further reports of bird flu symptoms spreading after infections

2026
01:38:26,053 --> 01:38:30,133
Speaker 12: have surfaced at an egg farm in Mourak. About eighty

2027
01:38:30,253 --> 01:38:34,052
Speaker 12: thousand chickens are being slaughtered at the mainland poultry property.

2028
01:38:34,333 --> 01:38:38,532
Speaker 12: The incubation period is two to three weeks. In Zi

2029
01:38:38,652 --> 01:38:41,973
Speaker 12: Rugby says it's currently running an employment process with all

2030
01:38:42,053 --> 01:38:46,973
Speaker 12: black sevres whose today lost names suppression and been discharged

2031
01:38:47,013 --> 01:38:51,053
Speaker 12: without conviction on a charge of willful damage. The Prime

2032
01:38:51,093 --> 01:38:54,093
Speaker 12: Minister says he hasn't decided either way on an oil

2033
01:38:54,173 --> 01:38:57,452
Speaker 12: and gas lobby group's request for the risk of fossil

2034
01:38:57,532 --> 01:39:01,852
Speaker 12: fuel exploration to be underwritten. It could see taxpayers taking

2035
01:39:02,053 --> 01:39:05,612
Speaker 12: some or all of the risk if nothing's found. The

2036
01:39:05,732 --> 01:39:09,093
Speaker 12: man charged with murdering Christ your trialty Yan Fear, has

2037
01:39:09,173 --> 01:39:12,612
Speaker 12: been making his closing defense statements. Much of his address

2038
01:39:12,652 --> 01:39:15,612
Speaker 12: hasn't been directed at the jury, who much of the

2039
01:39:15,732 --> 01:39:18,213
Speaker 12: time is seeing his back as he speaks to the

2040
01:39:18,372 --> 01:39:22,852
Speaker 12: empty dock. Civil Aviation Authority tried to keep secret and

2041
01:39:22,973 --> 01:39:27,813
Speaker 12: audit of inzty reports revealing susceptibility to terrorism and drug trafficking.

2042
01:39:28,213 --> 01:39:30,732
Speaker 12: You can see more at ZID Herald Premium now back

2043
01:39:30,772 --> 01:39:32,172
Speaker 12: to Matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2044
01:39:32,293 --> 01:39:34,492
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Raillan. We're talking about the age

2045
01:39:34,492 --> 01:39:38,492
Speaker 3: old Christmas question, real tree versus fake tree. Matt, you

2046
01:39:38,572 --> 01:39:39,452
Speaker 3: love your real tree?

2047
01:39:39,612 --> 01:39:41,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's not Christmas. That a real tree

2048
01:39:41,772 --> 01:39:46,013
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. In fact, one year we went so

2049
01:39:46,133 --> 01:39:48,812
Speaker 2: far as to just have a poster of a tree

2050
01:39:48,893 --> 01:39:51,452
Speaker 2: on the wall and that was not a Christmas for that.

2051
01:39:51,612 --> 01:39:53,652
Speaker 3: That's not a Christmas just a bitch. Yeah, but you

2052
01:39:53,692 --> 01:39:55,492
Speaker 3: love it so much that on Boxing Day that you

2053
01:39:55,652 --> 01:39:57,452
Speaker 3: chuck it over the neighbor's fence and gun and dust it.

2054
01:39:57,532 --> 01:39:59,772
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can deal with it. I think real Christmas

2055
01:39:59,812 --> 01:40:02,093
Speaker 2: trees are disgraced as this text on nine two nine two.

2056
01:40:02,333 --> 01:40:05,173
Speaker 2: You see them after Christmas discard a dead brown thrown

2057
01:40:05,213 --> 01:40:07,892
Speaker 2: out on the burn those burn those trees. I think

2058
01:40:07,893 --> 01:40:09,012
Speaker 2: it should be band Wow.

2059
01:40:09,333 --> 01:40:09,892
Speaker 15: What really?

2060
01:40:10,893 --> 01:40:12,772
Speaker 2: Just because they go brown? Well, I mean all trees

2061
01:40:12,853 --> 01:40:15,293
Speaker 2: go brown eventually when they fall open to band All

2062
01:40:15,333 --> 01:40:18,092
Speaker 2: trees because of the brownness at the end of their lives.

2063
01:40:19,173 --> 01:40:20,732
Speaker 3: Peter, you love your fake tree.

2064
01:40:20,572 --> 01:40:22,093
Speaker 8: Do you? Oh?

2065
01:40:22,612 --> 01:40:26,133
Speaker 9: I'm a fake tree guy. I just think it's so easy.

2066
01:40:26,253 --> 01:40:26,412
Speaker 7: Man.

2067
01:40:26,492 --> 01:40:29,213
Speaker 9: If you need to smell of pine, go to C. P.

2068
01:40:29,372 --> 01:40:34,973
Speaker 9: A and binding some little Carrie fresheners.

2069
01:40:35,053 --> 01:40:37,652
Speaker 2: Not the same. It's not the same, Mate.

2070
01:40:38,372 --> 01:40:42,012
Speaker 9: You still have to vacuum up plastic needles. So what's

2071
01:40:42,053 --> 01:40:46,572
Speaker 9: the difference. Well, tree, the needles still come off, so.

2072
01:40:48,812 --> 01:40:53,092
Speaker 2: You still get that full annoying experience.

2073
01:40:54,372 --> 01:40:57,173
Speaker 9: Ohe hundred percent. And I said, that's up on the

2074
01:40:57,253 --> 01:40:59,612
Speaker 9: first week in December and down on Boxing Day and

2075
01:40:59,692 --> 01:41:02,532
Speaker 9: I don't see it till the following year, and you

2076
01:41:02,652 --> 01:41:06,173
Speaker 9: get to use till all over for the next twenty years.

2077
01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:08,093
Speaker 9: It strings out.

2078
01:41:08,133 --> 01:41:10,452
Speaker 2: But how how does you want to put together, Peter?

2079
01:41:10,572 --> 01:41:13,372
Speaker 2: Because I've seen some of those fake Christmas trees people

2080
01:41:13,412 --> 01:41:16,012
Speaker 2: get out of the attic and it's a major Rubik's

2081
01:41:16,093 --> 01:41:18,052
Speaker 2: Cube style operation to put them back together.

2082
01:41:19,452 --> 01:41:22,452
Speaker 9: I've got a new fake tree this year. The feet

2083
01:41:22,532 --> 01:41:24,692
Speaker 9: on the last one broke and I had to have

2084
01:41:25,293 --> 01:41:31,372
Speaker 9: my dive weight holding the tree. This one that I've

2085
01:41:31,412 --> 01:41:34,572
Speaker 9: got now, it's perfectly fine. It does everything. And this

2086
01:41:34,772 --> 01:41:37,412
Speaker 9: year I never went to light, so I'm a non

2087
01:41:37,532 --> 01:41:38,532
Speaker 9: light to Christmas tree.

2088
01:41:38,772 --> 01:41:39,293
Speaker 3: You're onto it.

2089
01:41:39,412 --> 01:41:42,452
Speaker 2: So it's just a dark, little faky in the corner

2090
01:41:42,532 --> 01:41:43,333
Speaker 2: with some tensil on it.

2091
01:41:44,732 --> 01:41:47,532
Speaker 9: Yeah, it does the trip because no one cares. What's

2092
01:41:47,732 --> 01:41:49,093
Speaker 9: the tree's under it, right.

2093
01:41:49,173 --> 01:41:52,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well I like the flashing lights and I

2094
01:41:52,372 --> 01:41:55,412
Speaker 2: like the pine smell. But so you reckon that you're

2095
01:41:55,412 --> 01:41:57,652
Speaker 2: getting a full blast of the wonder of Christmas with

2096
01:41:57,812 --> 01:41:59,652
Speaker 2: your fake tree with no lights.

2097
01:42:01,013 --> 01:42:03,492
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yep. And I can put it back at

2098
01:42:03,532 --> 01:42:05,133
Speaker 9: the box or a little bag and if I want

2099
01:42:05,173 --> 01:42:07,973
Speaker 9: to spray it with fake fake, spray it.

2100
01:42:07,973 --> 01:42:12,612
Speaker 2: With you just get the fresh from you get the

2101
01:42:12,652 --> 01:42:15,452
Speaker 2: pinea fresh from the toilet, spread around. Sweet ass. I

2102
01:42:15,572 --> 01:42:19,573
Speaker 2: respect Christmas. I respect you, Peter. I respect your convictions,

2103
01:42:20,013 --> 01:42:21,172
Speaker 2: and you have a great Christmas.

2104
01:42:21,933 --> 01:42:25,532
Speaker 3: Cheers, Peter, Thank you very much. Mate. Well sold Andy,

2105
01:42:26,053 --> 01:42:27,612
Speaker 3: you reckon you've got another option for us?

2106
01:42:28,452 --> 01:42:29,412
Speaker 14: Yeah, boys, how are you?

2107
01:42:30,013 --> 01:42:32,173
Speaker 17: I'm going to go option three and Kis and I

2108
01:42:32,412 --> 01:42:36,213
Speaker 17: we make money each year get out there with we

2109
01:42:36,333 --> 01:42:41,692
Speaker 17: go Drufford hunting or we might use old timmer from

2110
01:42:41,732 --> 01:42:45,532
Speaker 17: around the house or whatever, and then we just spend

2111
01:42:45,612 --> 01:42:50,572
Speaker 17: the day bit of bonding and make it and they

2112
01:42:50,772 --> 01:42:53,572
Speaker 17: kind of design what they want and then we build

2113
01:42:53,572 --> 01:42:55,133
Speaker 17: it and then it goes up on that It's like

2114
01:42:56,293 --> 01:42:57,333
Speaker 17: something there and I did.

2115
01:42:58,692 --> 01:43:01,452
Speaker 2: That is very cool. You know what, I've never heard

2116
01:43:01,492 --> 01:43:04,333
Speaker 2: of this before, but this is this is wholesome as

2117
01:43:04,812 --> 01:43:08,253
Speaker 2: I like this, this is this, this is out you know,

2118
01:43:08,452 --> 01:43:11,013
Speaker 2: authentic king, I don't think that's a word, but it's

2119
01:43:11,053 --> 01:43:14,173
Speaker 2: more authentic than even the real tree. That that's that's

2120
01:43:14,253 --> 01:43:15,933
Speaker 2: quite cool. And the kids embrace it.

2121
01:43:17,093 --> 01:43:20,652
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, they do actually want Mine's still up from

2122
01:43:20,692 --> 01:43:22,492
Speaker 17: last year. So we're going to chuck it out and

2123
01:43:22,812 --> 01:43:23,452
Speaker 17: build a new one.

2124
01:43:23,492 --> 01:43:26,053
Speaker 14: That's how bad I am. But I'm to go.

2125
01:43:26,213 --> 01:43:26,452
Speaker 2: I'd go.

2126
01:43:26,812 --> 01:43:28,053
Speaker 14: I go natural all the way up.

2127
01:43:28,412 --> 01:43:32,093
Speaker 17: Fake a little bit, but too easy. Anyone can go

2128
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:33,692
Speaker 17: out and just buy one, I think, to go out

2129
01:43:33,732 --> 01:43:35,572
Speaker 17: and and that I mean, I'm with you.

2130
01:43:36,732 --> 01:43:40,293
Speaker 14: You get out there and smell that pint.

2131
01:43:40,812 --> 01:43:47,892
Speaker 17: Real want none, you a toilet freshman. Get out there

2132
01:43:47,933 --> 01:43:49,732
Speaker 17: and make it. Get out there and make it or

2133
01:43:49,812 --> 01:43:51,532
Speaker 17: support a graph, a local graph.

2134
01:43:51,612 --> 01:43:52,173
Speaker 4: Yeah good on you.

2135
01:43:52,652 --> 01:43:54,372
Speaker 3: On your Andy Driftwood Christmas tree.

2136
01:43:54,412 --> 01:43:56,692
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's Andy's put his finger on something.

2137
01:43:56,692 --> 01:43:58,692
Speaker 2: And I love that idea of getting getting your kids

2138
01:43:58,732 --> 01:44:01,772
Speaker 2: to build it and making it a special thing, because

2139
01:44:01,772 --> 01:44:05,293
Speaker 2: there is that, there is that the the whole ritual

2140
01:44:05,412 --> 01:44:07,972
Speaker 2: of bringing the Christmas tree in and it put putting

2141
01:44:07,973 --> 01:44:11,333
Speaker 2: its knee everywhere and being a real disaster. And then

2142
01:44:11,372 --> 01:44:13,293
Speaker 2: you're trying to make it stand up straight, and it

2143
01:44:13,333 --> 01:44:15,412
Speaker 2: keeps falling over, and then you decorate it and there's

2144
01:44:15,412 --> 01:44:18,692
Speaker 2: a whole rigmarole, whereas the whole you tyler, and you're

2145
01:44:18,772 --> 01:44:21,173
Speaker 2: sort of give me convenience or give me death kind

2146
01:44:21,213 --> 01:44:26,372
Speaker 2: approach to life. Because there's no difficulty and no struggle

2147
01:44:26,452 --> 01:44:28,492
Speaker 2: with putting up the tree. It has less meaning.

2148
01:44:28,772 --> 01:44:31,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know there's an element to it that

2149
01:44:31,732 --> 01:44:34,852
Speaker 3: it is a little bit soulless, but it so screams Christmas,

2150
01:44:35,013 --> 01:44:36,012
Speaker 3: just and it away.

2151
01:44:36,173 --> 01:44:38,892
Speaker 2: It's better than nothing. Yeah, it's better than not celebrating

2152
01:44:38,893 --> 01:44:40,972
Speaker 2: at all. And it's better than that Christmas we spend

2153
01:44:41,053 --> 01:44:42,732
Speaker 2: in a hotel room with just the poster of the

2154
01:44:42,772 --> 01:44:44,892
Speaker 2: tree on the wall that was soulless.

2155
01:44:45,213 --> 01:44:49,213
Speaker 3: There's plenty of great digs coming through. Guys. You have

2156
01:44:49,772 --> 01:44:54,412
Speaker 3: forgotten something real with Christmas. Trees causes a lot of

2157
01:44:54,532 --> 01:44:57,293
Speaker 3: horrific sinus problems with a lot of people out there,

2158
01:44:57,452 --> 01:44:58,893
Speaker 3: and it's not a pleasant time of the year to

2159
01:44:58,973 --> 01:45:00,933
Speaker 3: visit people who have real trees there. You go, so

2160
01:45:00,973 --> 01:45:02,892
Speaker 3: you've got family members, but.

2161
01:45:02,893 --> 01:45:04,772
Speaker 2: There's always someone that puts up their hand and goes,

2162
01:45:04,812 --> 01:45:07,013
Speaker 2: don't do this because there's one or two people that

2163
01:45:07,093 --> 01:45:08,973
Speaker 2: are affected by it, I mean I'm not going to

2164
01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:11,372
Speaker 2: change my life. Look, don't come round in my house

2165
01:45:11,412 --> 01:45:13,732
Speaker 2: if you've got sinus problems. I'm I'm gonna put a

2166
01:45:13,772 --> 01:45:16,652
Speaker 2: big sign on the door go warning, real Christmas tree

2167
01:45:16,692 --> 01:45:18,852
Speaker 2: in the house. And then people that are scared of

2168
01:45:18,893 --> 01:45:20,973
Speaker 2: real Christmas trees because these sinuses don't have to come

2169
01:45:21,053 --> 01:45:23,732
Speaker 2: round to my Christmas. There's always a reason why someone's

2170
01:45:23,772 --> 01:45:25,812
Speaker 2: got something that means you can't do something.

2171
01:45:26,053 --> 01:45:28,093
Speaker 3: Just leave them anti estamines at the door and say

2172
01:45:28,213 --> 01:45:30,093
Speaker 3: take it or leave it, you know, smash these back

2173
01:45:30,133 --> 01:45:32,253
Speaker 3: and you'll be all right. Oh eight one hundred eighty

2174
01:45:32,412 --> 01:45:35,333
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call real versus fake

2175
01:45:35,532 --> 01:45:38,492
Speaker 3: Christmas trees. And also for those people primarily in the

2176
01:45:38,532 --> 01:45:40,812
Speaker 3: South Island, is it okay? And this is a question

2177
01:45:40,893 --> 01:45:43,772
Speaker 3: for you as well, Matt, to venture into public land

2178
01:45:44,053 --> 01:45:49,293
Speaker 3: to cut down a wee wolding point for Christmas? Yes, yeah, three, yeah,

2179
01:45:49,452 --> 01:45:50,012
Speaker 3: it's beautiful.

2180
01:45:50,013 --> 01:45:52,173
Speaker 2: I've cut down so many Christmas trees in my life.

2181
01:45:52,452 --> 01:45:54,133
Speaker 2: Because I think I was saying this the other day.

2182
01:45:54,133 --> 01:45:55,972
Speaker 2: I just to have a job cutting down Christmas trees

2183
01:45:56,013 --> 01:45:58,333
Speaker 2: at a nursery. That was my job every year. So

2184
01:45:58,612 --> 01:46:02,732
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed cutting down more Christmas trees. I've committed horrific

2185
01:46:02,812 --> 01:46:06,492
Speaker 2: crimes against the Christmas tree population. It's cut hundreds of

2186
01:46:06,492 --> 01:46:08,253
Speaker 2: them down and it was such a good job.

2187
01:46:08,412 --> 01:46:08,612
Speaker 5: Lover.

2188
01:46:08,732 --> 01:46:10,812
Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call.

2189
01:46:11,053 --> 01:46:12,532
Speaker 3: It is nineteen to four.

2190
01:46:13,973 --> 01:46:19,452
Speaker 1: You're new home of afternoon Tor Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoon call, Oh,

2191
01:46:19,492 --> 01:46:20,852
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2192
01:46:21,053 --> 01:46:24,372
Speaker 2: News Talk said, be we're talking the key issue of

2193
01:46:24,572 --> 01:46:27,612
Speaker 2: real versus fate Christmas trees on one hundred percent in

2194
01:46:27,692 --> 01:46:30,333
Speaker 2: the real camp as is this texture on nine two

2195
01:46:30,412 --> 01:46:33,213
Speaker 2: nine two. No boys, authentic is for me and the

2196
01:46:33,293 --> 01:46:35,732
Speaker 2: old man, sneaking into the forest, hoofing along with no

2197
01:46:35,853 --> 01:46:38,093
Speaker 2: headlights on in the dark of night, looking for the

2198
01:46:38,133 --> 01:46:40,293
Speaker 2: perfect tree, hacking it down, strapping it to the roof,

2199
01:46:40,612 --> 01:46:42,692
Speaker 2: making a get away before the forestry gang caught us.

2200
01:46:43,133 --> 01:46:44,213
Speaker 2: Dad bonding for the win.

2201
01:46:44,412 --> 01:46:45,013
Speaker 4: Here you go there.

2202
01:46:45,133 --> 01:46:47,452
Speaker 3: Now it's Christmas. Now it's Christmas and the dead of

2203
01:46:47,492 --> 01:46:49,132
Speaker 3: the night taking down Christmas tree.

2204
01:46:49,053 --> 01:46:52,253
Speaker 2: That is wholesome. Man's another texture on nine two nine two.

2205
01:46:52,253 --> 01:46:54,213
Speaker 2: If Matt likes a dead body rotting in the corner

2206
01:46:54,253 --> 01:46:57,133
Speaker 2: of his house, he can have his Christmas. I mean,

2207
01:46:57,572 --> 01:47:00,132
Speaker 2: I mean that is true. You you love a Christmas

2208
01:47:00,213 --> 01:47:02,133
Speaker 2: tree so much that you kill it and put it

2209
01:47:02,173 --> 01:47:04,972
Speaker 2: in the corner of your room, film and then throw

2210
01:47:05,013 --> 01:47:07,253
Speaker 2: it out when it starts to wilt. But that reminds

2211
01:47:07,293 --> 01:47:10,293
Speaker 2: me of the movie Gremlins, Fantastic Christmas movie and the

2212
01:47:10,372 --> 01:47:13,093
Speaker 2: story of the phobix. Cake's character tells about her dad

2213
01:47:13,173 --> 01:47:15,932
Speaker 2: sneaking onto the roof in a Santa costume, then coming

2214
01:47:15,933 --> 01:47:19,412
Speaker 2: down the chimney getting stark, and then and then rotting

2215
01:47:19,572 --> 01:47:21,692
Speaker 2: in there and stinking out the house. And that's why

2216
01:47:21,772 --> 01:47:24,572
Speaker 2: she hates Christmas. Yeah, I mean she They really had

2217
01:47:24,853 --> 01:47:26,173
Speaker 2: a dead body in the corner of the room in

2218
01:47:26,213 --> 01:47:26,612
Speaker 2: that movie.

2219
01:47:27,692 --> 01:47:31,452
Speaker 3: Paul, You're a fake tree man all the way, yeah, mate.

2220
01:47:31,652 --> 01:47:35,372
Speaker 13: So yeah, we actually put up three fake Christmas trees

2221
01:47:35,412 --> 01:47:42,053
Speaker 13: every year. One is the main one that we have

2222
01:47:42,293 --> 01:47:45,173
Speaker 13: and my wife actually got that from a from one

2223
01:47:45,173 --> 01:47:47,133
Speaker 13: of the florist that you four years ago, back in

2224
01:47:47,213 --> 01:47:48,692
Speaker 13: ninety six, and we still have it today.

2225
01:47:50,013 --> 01:47:52,093
Speaker 2: And that is that is that the glory one. Is

2226
01:47:52,133 --> 01:47:54,612
Speaker 2: that the marquee one, the biggest one, that one of

2227
01:47:54,732 --> 01:47:55,093
Speaker 2: your three.

2228
01:47:55,612 --> 01:47:57,812
Speaker 13: It's probably it's the biggest one for sure, but it's

2229
01:47:57,812 --> 01:48:01,492
Speaker 13: actually the nicest ones. It's really quite sick of all

2230
01:48:01,532 --> 01:48:05,012
Speaker 13: the plastic needles. Yeah, is that really really full?

2231
01:48:05,213 --> 01:48:06,492
Speaker 3: They got the in built lights?

2232
01:48:07,732 --> 01:48:11,253
Speaker 13: No, No, we have LEDs that go on that. And

2233
01:48:12,093 --> 01:48:14,652
Speaker 13: it's quite special because we've we have bought a Christmas

2234
01:48:14,692 --> 01:48:17,293
Speaker 13: decoration for our children every year since they were born.

2235
01:48:17,853 --> 01:48:22,173
Speaker 13: And our sons twenty and our daughters nineteen, so they

2236
01:48:22,253 --> 01:48:25,492
Speaker 13: have nineteen or twenty decorations from a tree which we.

2237
01:48:25,492 --> 01:48:25,973
Speaker 17: Do every year.

2238
01:48:26,093 --> 01:48:26,812
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

2239
01:48:27,452 --> 01:48:29,333
Speaker 9: I've been a story about why we bought it that year.

2240
01:48:29,253 --> 01:48:30,372
Speaker 13: For them and it's pretty cool.

2241
01:48:30,692 --> 01:48:30,892
Speaker 2: Wow.

2242
01:48:30,893 --> 01:48:33,133
Speaker 13: And then that's our tree for our family. And then

2243
01:48:33,173 --> 01:48:35,772
Speaker 13: we have we also host the big Christmas you know,

2244
01:48:36,013 --> 01:48:39,253
Speaker 13: dinner with the family on the Christmas night, and we

2245
01:48:39,333 --> 01:48:41,093
Speaker 13: have a sip tree for that and we have all

2246
01:48:41,173 --> 01:48:44,612
Speaker 13: the families presents under that tree. So that's now in

2247
01:48:44,652 --> 01:48:46,772
Speaker 13: another the rumor. And then we have a small one

2248
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:50,852
Speaker 13: upstairs which the kids use themselves or just a bit

2249
01:48:50,893 --> 01:48:51,852
Speaker 13: of decoration upstairs.

2250
01:48:53,253 --> 01:48:55,732
Speaker 2: I love when I hear things like that, Paul, that

2251
01:48:55,853 --> 01:48:59,812
Speaker 2: you that you got your kids a different Christmas decoration

2252
01:49:00,053 --> 01:49:02,732
Speaker 2: every year. I think, why didn't I do that? That's

2253
01:49:02,732 --> 01:49:05,013
Speaker 2: such a great idea. Yeah, it's too late. Now there

2254
01:49:05,053 --> 01:49:06,372
Speaker 2: was another thing I needed to like put a bottle

2255
01:49:06,372 --> 01:49:08,492
Speaker 2: of whiskey away when both of them were born to

2256
01:49:08,652 --> 01:49:10,372
Speaker 2: open up at their twenty first. There's all these things

2257
01:49:10,372 --> 01:49:13,973
Speaker 2: and I failed to do Christmas Ornament one is such

2258
01:49:14,013 --> 01:49:16,612
Speaker 2: a beautiful idea. How did you think of that? Was

2259
01:49:16,652 --> 01:49:18,372
Speaker 2: that a family tradition or did you guys come up

2260
01:49:18,412 --> 01:49:18,532
Speaker 2: with that?

2261
01:49:19,772 --> 01:49:20,532
Speaker 14: Well, we came up with it.

2262
01:49:20,532 --> 01:49:24,052
Speaker 13: Actually it's not tradition, but we sort of maybe the traditions.

2263
01:49:24,133 --> 01:49:25,892
Speaker 2: I think it will be a tradition to your kids.

2264
01:49:25,933 --> 01:49:29,092
Speaker 2: Now they'll they'll do it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2265
01:49:29,532 --> 01:49:30,893
Speaker 13: But it's quite cool because you know, the kids go

2266
01:49:31,013 --> 01:49:34,612
Speaker 13: through phases like sports events or that we wanted the most,

2267
01:49:34,692 --> 01:49:37,053
Speaker 13: you know, trips on we're overseas, and we bought a

2268
01:49:37,173 --> 01:49:39,612
Speaker 13: decoration of that of that place that we visited that year.

2269
01:49:40,173 --> 01:49:42,293
Speaker 13: So every every one head of story you.

2270
01:49:42,293 --> 01:49:45,093
Speaker 2: Know which, and so it's like every Christmas, it's like

2271
01:49:45,692 --> 01:49:47,532
Speaker 2: a mini this is your life for each of your kids.

2272
01:49:47,732 --> 01:49:49,452
Speaker 2: They put the ornaments on the tree pretty much.

2273
01:49:50,173 --> 01:49:50,372
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2274
01:49:50,612 --> 01:49:52,053
Speaker 13: But the thing about the tree is that, you know,

2275
01:49:52,452 --> 01:49:55,412
Speaker 13: my wife brought our first tree and ninety six. You know,

2276
01:49:55,492 --> 01:49:57,933
Speaker 13: it's amazing that it's still going as good as it

2277
01:49:58,053 --> 01:50:00,452
Speaker 13: is now. Useless needles, but you wouldn't notice it you know,

2278
01:50:00,612 --> 01:50:02,852
Speaker 13: it's just really good quality as long as your pay

2279
01:50:02,933 --> 01:50:04,213
Speaker 13: the quality as they last year.

2280
01:50:04,612 --> 01:50:07,812
Speaker 3: Love that, Paul, Thank you very much. We've got time

2281
01:50:07,853 --> 01:50:09,013
Speaker 3: for day. Get a Dave.

2282
01:50:10,093 --> 01:50:13,492
Speaker 6: Yeah, hi guys, and great conversation. Just a quick funny

2283
01:50:13,572 --> 01:50:17,372
Speaker 6: story about Christmas trees, a real one. My wife always

2284
01:50:17,452 --> 01:50:21,213
Speaker 6: loved the real trees. We've got a two meter high

2285
01:50:21,572 --> 01:50:25,492
Speaker 6: real tree to go in our lounge. It was quite

2286
01:50:25,572 --> 01:50:28,732
Speaker 6: high ceiling in that set it all up in the

2287
01:50:28,772 --> 01:50:32,932
Speaker 6: big bucket with stones and water and the aspiring pools

2288
01:50:32,973 --> 01:50:36,692
Speaker 6: in there to keep it going. She decorated it all lovely.

2289
01:50:38,772 --> 01:50:42,412
Speaker 6: We sat down that evening Mike chair was right beside it,

2290
01:50:43,492 --> 01:50:45,812
Speaker 6: watching TV, and the thing crashed down on top of me.

2291
01:50:49,372 --> 01:50:51,012
Speaker 3: Wet memories.

2292
01:50:51,732 --> 01:50:53,852
Speaker 6: Hey, I was for about five minutes because my wife

2293
01:50:53,893 --> 01:50:59,012
Speaker 6: wouldn't stop laughing and my black lad was going crazy.

2294
01:51:01,213 --> 01:51:03,492
Speaker 3: Christmas guys, Yeah, Merry Christmas as well, Dave.

2295
01:51:03,612 --> 01:51:03,852
Speaker 15: Love it.

2296
01:51:04,572 --> 01:51:07,812
Speaker 3: Some great teaks coming through on nine two nine two, guys.

2297
01:51:07,933 --> 01:51:10,412
Speaker 3: Real all the way I cut a slice off the

2298
01:51:10,652 --> 01:51:13,972
Speaker 3: trunk and mark the year on it, store the stump

2299
01:51:14,053 --> 01:51:17,492
Speaker 3: slices away for keepsakes. That's beautiful. That's nice.

2300
01:51:17,732 --> 01:51:20,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. The way I keep mine is just

2301
01:51:20,492 --> 01:51:22,412
Speaker 2: play having there's a shed next door, so I just

2302
01:51:22,692 --> 01:51:24,173
Speaker 2: have them down the back of that, and so it's

2303
01:51:24,173 --> 01:51:26,293
Speaker 2: piled up about five years of the Christmas trees because

2304
01:51:26,293 --> 01:51:28,652
Speaker 2: they take a long time to break down a Christmas tree.

2305
01:51:28,893 --> 01:51:30,772
Speaker 2: They go brown, but they don't get much smaller.

2306
01:51:31,053 --> 01:51:33,613
Speaker 3: It takes years and yet environmentally friendly.

2307
01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:37,653
Speaker 2: One percent, one hundred percently environmentally friendly.

2308
01:51:39,572 --> 01:51:42,692
Speaker 3: Gooday, guys, I've had a fake tree for a long time.

2309
01:51:42,853 --> 01:51:45,893
Speaker 3: I'm an artistic person, and it's so much fun decorating

2310
01:51:45,973 --> 01:51:48,893
Speaker 3: them because there are loads more branches to put decorations on.

2311
01:51:48,973 --> 01:51:51,692
Speaker 3: You can bend the branches to suit your decorations. Every

2312
01:51:51,732 --> 01:51:54,652
Speaker 3: time someone comes, they go, wow, that is so beautiful.

2313
01:51:54,893 --> 01:51:57,293
Speaker 3: So I think fake trees are bitter. You can also

2314
01:51:57,452 --> 01:52:00,213
Speaker 3: decorate them earlier from Jenny, So.

2315
01:52:00,253 --> 01:52:05,532
Speaker 2: What the percentages of fake trees versus real trees? Because

2316
01:52:06,293 --> 01:52:07,972
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like there's a lot of people selling

2317
01:52:08,013 --> 01:52:10,012
Speaker 2: real tree around wherever I drive around at the moment,

2318
01:52:10,093 --> 01:52:12,333
Speaker 2: there's there's lots of lots of them on sale.

2319
01:52:12,452 --> 01:52:13,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

2320
01:52:14,612 --> 01:52:16,253
Speaker 2: But yeah, because I just can't imagine that. But I

2321
01:52:16,253 --> 01:52:17,612
Speaker 2: think a lot of it is how you brought up right.

2322
01:52:17,612 --> 01:52:19,253
Speaker 2: We always had a real Christmas tree, so it doesn't

2323
01:52:19,293 --> 01:52:21,013
Speaker 2: feel like Christmas without a real Christmas tree.

2324
01:52:21,173 --> 01:52:21,372
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2325
01:52:21,532 --> 01:52:23,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we always had real trees as well. Can

2326
01:52:23,853 --> 01:52:27,333
Speaker 3: you remember the salt dough ornaments? Hearing Peter talking about

2327
01:52:27,372 --> 01:52:29,972
Speaker 3: those lovely traditions and making the audience remember the salt

2328
01:52:30,572 --> 01:52:32,932
Speaker 3: dough ornaments that used to be real popular in the eighties.

2329
01:52:33,492 --> 01:52:35,852
Speaker 2: Uh No, I remember the win KFC bought some out

2330
01:52:35,893 --> 01:52:36,852
Speaker 2: though a few years back.

2331
01:52:36,973 --> 01:52:39,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, good times, good times. Oh on one hundred and

2332
01:52:39,973 --> 01:52:41,973
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Will take another couple of calls on

2333
01:52:42,053 --> 01:52:44,532
Speaker 3: this and actually just a quick text poll nine two

2334
01:52:44,692 --> 01:52:47,412
Speaker 3: nine two, Just text real or fake and we'll do

2335
01:52:47,492 --> 01:52:50,012
Speaker 3: it quick telling up okay, on what the ultimate champion

2336
01:52:50,133 --> 01:52:51,053
Speaker 3: is when it comes to the tree.

2337
01:52:51,133 --> 01:52:53,732
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is a binding referendum, real or false

2338
01:52:53,812 --> 01:52:56,452
Speaker 2: nine two nine two, and we'll announce the winner at

2339
01:52:56,492 --> 01:52:56,812
Speaker 2: the end of it.

2340
01:52:57,013 --> 01:52:58,972
Speaker 3: It's going to be good. It's ten to four.

2341
01:53:00,732 --> 01:53:04,133
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2342
01:53:04,452 --> 01:53:08,492
Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons for

2343
01:53:08,572 --> 01:53:12,253
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four US Talk said B said B seven four.

2344
01:53:12,572 --> 01:53:15,093
Speaker 2: We're just talking real versus fake. Christmas tree is a

2345
01:53:15,213 --> 01:53:19,692
Speaker 2: key issue for Kiwi's in December and on a previous issue.

2346
01:53:19,732 --> 01:53:21,412
Speaker 2: Can I just say that I've completed my rings on

2347
01:53:21,572 --> 01:53:23,132
Speaker 2: my on my watch.

2348
01:53:23,013 --> 01:53:25,053
Speaker 3: Well done? So you did that sitting down, So that's

2349
01:53:25,133 --> 01:53:25,492
Speaker 3: that's way.

2350
01:53:25,772 --> 01:53:27,213
Speaker 2: Well, I stood up to finish the last one. But

2351
01:53:27,293 --> 01:53:28,652
Speaker 2: you know, look, I've been for a run today.

2352
01:53:28,933 --> 01:53:29,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, well done.

2353
01:53:29,893 --> 01:53:31,732
Speaker 2: I'm a slave to complete in my rings. But we

2354
01:53:31,853 --> 01:53:35,213
Speaker 2: put out before the call, like the official binding referendum

2355
01:53:35,293 --> 01:53:38,213
Speaker 2: on real versus fake Christmas trees? Which way you go on?

2356
01:53:38,333 --> 01:53:40,652
Speaker 2: Nine two nine two? And boy boy, a lot of

2357
01:53:40,652 --> 01:53:43,612
Speaker 2: people listen to ZB heck yeah, particularly this show that

2358
01:53:43,893 --> 01:53:46,452
Speaker 2: that text machine has exploded. How do we even I'm

2359
01:53:46,532 --> 01:53:47,893
Speaker 2: just going to have to do a vibe on it.

2360
01:53:48,253 --> 01:53:50,732
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at this whole page of fifty and

2361
01:53:50,893 --> 01:53:54,892
Speaker 2: that's probably that's probably they're nearly all real that page.

2362
01:53:55,093 --> 01:53:57,492
Speaker 2: I'll go back another page. I know there's so many

2363
01:53:57,532 --> 01:53:57,972
Speaker 2: coming through.

2364
01:53:58,053 --> 01:54:00,973
Speaker 3: That's all coming through nine two ninety two. Real or

2365
01:54:01,053 --> 01:54:02,652
Speaker 3: face is what we've asked. If you want to keep

2366
01:54:02,692 --> 01:54:04,772
Speaker 3: them going through, we'll find someone in the back room

2367
01:54:04,812 --> 01:54:05,732
Speaker 3: to count them all last.

2368
01:54:05,772 --> 01:54:08,133
Speaker 2: Formerly in text coming through. It's very to run it

2369
01:54:08,173 --> 01:54:10,132
Speaker 2: by referendum when you can't even count.

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01:54:10,293 --> 01:54:12,893
Speaker 3: Well, we'll each take a vipe here for the binding referendum.

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01:54:13,412 --> 01:54:16,973
Speaker 3: I've got to say, I think the reels have it

2372
01:54:17,053 --> 01:54:20,293
Speaker 3: by a nose. I'd say sixty percent reel.

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01:54:20,532 --> 01:54:22,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say something like that as well. Yeah,

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01:54:22,572 --> 01:54:25,012
Speaker 2: and it's just a flurry of fakes came through.

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01:54:25,893 --> 01:54:28,452
Speaker 3: Right, We're going to send that. We're going to send

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01:54:28,492 --> 01:54:30,732
Speaker 3: that upstairs to get an official count on the real

2377
01:54:30,853 --> 01:54:35,373
Speaker 3: versus a fake. Some longer teachs coming through. Guys. I've

2378
01:54:35,373 --> 01:54:38,413
Speaker 3: always had a real Christmas tree, but now I've remarried

2379
01:54:38,573 --> 01:54:42,493
Speaker 3: and she's the boss, and i'mpathetic, so I've gone with plastic.

2380
01:54:42,933 --> 01:54:47,772
Speaker 2: Yep. Hey, this is something going back on yesterday. That's great, guys,

2381
01:54:47,893 --> 01:54:51,413
Speaker 2: with your very very interesting chat on real versus Christmas trees.

2382
01:54:51,453 --> 01:54:53,053
Speaker 2: But can you please tell us where the matter is

2383
01:54:53,133 --> 01:54:57,493
Speaker 2: charging his e bikes today? That's from Gary. That was yesterday.

2384
01:54:57,493 --> 01:55:00,852
Speaker 2: We're talking about e bike and Lithian batteries. And look,

2385
01:55:00,893 --> 01:55:02,493
Speaker 2: I've got to say I came in with a lot

2386
01:55:02,533 --> 01:55:05,892
Speaker 2: of bravado, yep, and a cavalier attitude. But then after

2387
01:55:06,812 --> 01:55:08,413
Speaker 2: an hour and a half of stories of life, the

2388
01:55:08,573 --> 01:55:12,693
Speaker 2: batteries going up. I did switch my batteries off for

2389
01:55:12,973 --> 01:55:16,173
Speaker 2: my partner's e bike. I switched it off at the

2390
01:55:16,173 --> 01:55:17,772
Speaker 2: wall when I left the house today in the garage.

2391
01:55:17,933 --> 01:55:19,892
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got them, folks, So we got them.

2392
01:55:20,133 --> 01:55:22,693
Speaker 2: So I am open. I am open to lending things.

2393
01:55:22,893 --> 01:55:25,493
Speaker 3: Whereas I left my fridge going this morning. So I'm

2394
01:55:25,493 --> 01:55:26,333
Speaker 3: getting better as well.

2395
01:55:26,493 --> 01:55:29,413
Speaker 2: The fakes are really really come back to the India.

2396
01:55:30,093 --> 01:55:31,772
Speaker 2: I think it might be fifty to fifty now with

2397
01:55:31,893 --> 01:55:34,013
Speaker 2: the about two hundred fakes that just came through.

2398
01:55:34,253 --> 01:55:35,973
Speaker 3: We've got some homework to do. We'll give you an

2399
01:55:35,973 --> 01:55:37,453
Speaker 3: official tally tomorrow.

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01:55:38,053 --> 01:55:40,013
Speaker 2: In suspense, we'll be counting all night. I'll be like

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01:55:40,093 --> 01:55:42,173
Speaker 2: the California recounts in the US election.

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01:55:43,093 --> 01:55:43,213
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:55:43,333 --> 01:55:46,173
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for today. I really enjoyed the discussion.

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01:55:46,373 --> 01:55:48,493
Speaker 3: We'll do it all again tomorrow, and hey, give them

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01:55:48,533 --> 01:55:50,013
Speaker 3: a taste of Kiwi from me.

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