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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty, local and

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Speaker 2: Someone saying, Ryan, you idiot, it's not like a light switch. Well,

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Speaker 2: when you see the word switch, I mean, what else

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Speaker 2: are you to think? What else are you to imagine? Right,

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Speaker 2: let's go to our huddle, Jordan Williams. The text pacing

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Speaker 2: is with us tonight. Jordan, good evening, Good day, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: Jack tames here, host of Saturday Mornings on ZB and

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Speaker 3: A gid a Jack kill Right.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you guys on the show tonight. Jordan

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Speaker 2: will start with you. Let's talk about those faeries. We

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Speaker 2: don't well what do we know? What can we talk about?

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Speaker 2: I guess and we're a little light on detail.

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Speaker 3: That pretty much the conversation I just said with my staff.

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Speaker 3: This is the we didn't really really I see infrastructing

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Speaker 3: the other and put out a release welcoming the possibility

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Speaker 3: that there could be some external capital or a public

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Speaker 3: private partnership. But on the other hand, you look at

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Speaker 3: this and this is the announcement you have when basically

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Speaker 3: a cabinet Nikola Willis has had to say, guys, I

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Speaker 3: know we can't agree anything, but we have to say something.

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Speaker 4: Please.

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Speaker 3: You know there's a aren'ts that these rail new fairies

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Speaker 3: will be enabled sorry rail enabled. But you know, let's

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Speaker 3: just step back and look at this. You know, the

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Speaker 3: private companies don't need a tax part a front up

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Speaker 3: every time you need to buy a new boat.

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Speaker 4: And somehow the political class.

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Speaker 3: In Wellington are continuing with this, this joke that replacing

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Speaker 3: three fairies with two fairies somehow makes us more resilient.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jordan. I'm going to get to Jack. I

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Speaker 2: want your take on this when we come back the

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Speaker 2: huddle with New.

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Speaker 1: Zealand Sotheby's International Realty elevate the marketing of your home.

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Speaker 2: According to six News Talks, there'd be the huddle tonight.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Williams, the Taxpayers Union and Jack Tame, host of

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Speaker 2: Saturday Mornings on zbn Q and a Jack come to

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Speaker 2: you on the fairies. Is this, as Jordan said, like

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Speaker 2: a big disagreement between ministers who can't decide on anything.

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Speaker 2: Winston's maybe thrown as toys. He's now the Minister for

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Speaker 2: Rail and we've got further delays. Is that how you

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think it is. I mean I think it's

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Speaker 5: pretty remarkable given the swiftness with which this government has

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Speaker 5: moved in all manner of policy areas, I think, largely

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Speaker 5: distinguish this issue in this policy from the policies which

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Speaker 5: were really explicitly laid out in the coalition agreements, because

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Speaker 5: this is probably the single media's policy to come across

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Speaker 5: the government's desk without an agreement having been reached during

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Speaker 5: the coalition negotiation process. And I think this is where

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Speaker 5: we are seeing some of the tensions, right. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: clearly there's there's disagreement. I mean that, you know, I

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Speaker 5: think it's safe to say that Act has a similar

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Speaker 5: position to that of Jordan, where they don't think actually

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Speaker 5: the tax pay needs to be shoving out for this.

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Speaker 5: Clearly New Zealand First has a completely different position. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is, you know, if Winston's now in

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Speaker 2: it's going to be cheaper Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's yeah, I mean that's recisely the

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Speaker 2: By Kayak, Chris Hopkins is inferring racism, Jack, This is

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Speaker 2: I thought this was pretty outrageous. What did you think?

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Speaker 5: Well, well, I mean, I just I was confused by

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Speaker 5: He suggested that there were non Mardi MP's who stood

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Speaker 5: But if it were people other people who do exactly

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Speaker 2: and he said there were others, like non Mardi MPs

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Speaker 3: When I first saw this, it was more a sort

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about over in the United States, Jack, and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, from what we've seen of this guy

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Speaker 5: I mean, healthcare is insanely expensive in the US, and

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's any great surprise that, you know,

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Speaker 5: kind of sad how quickly people forget that there's a.

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Speaker 1: Human being at the middle of this.

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Speaker 5: I mean, imagine being this guy's you know, the victim's

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Speaker 5: That being said, I think two things can be true

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Speaker 5: the US healthcare system is broken, that people are treated

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Speaker 5: terribly by many of these insurance companies, but also that

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Speaker 5: murder is not okay.

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Speaker 2: A very basic point I think we can all agree on. Jordan.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting, isn't it, though, Like culturally, how these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you could, if it's being cynical, you could say

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Speaker 4: that the glorification of violence, including a quite now quite

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Speaker 4: they were making they were mocking not just Sleepy Joel

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Speaker 3: Out the other side. On the other hand, the sort

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Speaker 3: concerns me that inevitably, when there is an act of

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Speaker 2: No, but certainly something that's becoming more common. Jordan, thank

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