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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter Wolfcamp

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Speaker 1: from news Talks at by Meta twice God once, but

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Speaker 1: maybe call Pete first. Peter wolf Camp, The Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: News Talk said by.

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Speaker 2: The House Sizzoro, even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 2: grass is overgrown in.

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Speaker 3: The yard, even when the dog is too old to bar,

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Speaker 3: and when you're sitting at the table trying not to

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Speaker 3: start scissor.

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Speaker 4: Home, even when we are benn.

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Speaker 5: Even when you're there.

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Speaker 2: House sizzor Home, even when those ghost when you go

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Speaker 2: around from the ones you love, your move scream, bolting pains,

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Speaker 2: appeel in front of the world.

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Speaker 3: Locals vestible when they're gone, leaving them, even when we'll

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Speaker 3: be even when you're in there alone.

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Speaker 5: Well, very very good morning, and welcome along to the

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Speaker 5: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me Pete wolf Camp,

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Speaker 5: the Resident Builder, and we are here to talk about building. Surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 5: We are going to talk about all of the myriad

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Speaker 5: elements involved in building and construction, whether that's the planning,

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Speaker 5: the thinking, or the doing, the actual hands on or

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Speaker 5: the legislative framework that allows us to build. In fact,

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Speaker 5: I just of open emails and I've been having sort

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Speaker 5: of an ongoing discussion with a gentleman who emailed the

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Speaker 5: other day saying, hey, look, I think that you can

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Speaker 5: actually change the size of windows under Schedule one of

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Speaker 5: the Building Act. I'm disagreeing, and so anyway, that's an

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Speaker 5: ongoing sort of intellectual I guess it is theoretical discussion

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Speaker 5: around what's included and Schedule one of the Building Act

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Speaker 5: requiring it consent. So we can talk about that sort

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Speaker 5: of side of things, the legislation, the rules and regulations,

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Speaker 5: how you stay on the right side of compliance, because

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Speaker 5: certainly when you stray off that, it becomes it's just

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Speaker 5: murky territory. It's a quagmire out there. If you stay

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Speaker 5: it'll take you a long time to get back to

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Speaker 5: the path. In fact, during the course of the week,

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Speaker 5: just by the Bye, I was reading through a LIMB

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Speaker 5: read through them is that I'm looking for information about

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Speaker 5: building consents that were issued and whether or not they've

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Speaker 5: it'll give a rough description of the work, extension, alterations,

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Speaker 5: new garage, et cetera, et cetera, and then it will

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Speaker 5: say either CCC issued or no CCC issued. And the

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Speaker 5: other day I read one that said CCC declined and

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Speaker 5: it was note ten and it talked about determinations which

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Speaker 5: are either with the Building Content Authority, the BCA, or

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Speaker 5: that's really intriguing. So somewhere along the line Council have

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Speaker 5: so obviously there was an argument there. That's what I'm

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Speaker 5: And also in terms of tradespeople and contracting and getting

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Speaker 5: about all of these sorts of things. So if you've

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Speaker 5: these things within building, construction, renovating, altering. Maybe you're looking

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Speaker 5: all these things on the program this morning. So eight

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Speaker 5: Pete at newstooks headb dot co dot nz. So like

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Speaker 5: Gary has taken the opportunity to email, if you'd like

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Speaker 5: which is lovely into I mean, I think the weather's fantastic.

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Speaker 5: But also it sort of signals that time where if

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Speaker 5: I'm going to get them done over summer, suddenly you're thinking,

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Speaker 5: those as well, but right now the opportunity is all yours.

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Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 5: We're going to chat to a builder a little bit

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Speaker 5: later on about using jaframe, which is really cool. Also,

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Speaker 5: I have had the opportunity of having a fairly lengthy discussion,

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Speaker 5: in particular hearing loss. It's a little bit, I'll be

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Speaker 5: really honest, it's a bit of a crusade for me,

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Speaker 5: He's going to join us just after eight o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 5: after eight to thirty. Of course, we're into the garden

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Speaker 5: with the delightful and effervescent red cline Pass, doctor ridclin

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Speaker 5: things entomololgical. So looking forward to that as well, but

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Speaker 5: right now it's your opportunity. What's on your mind? What

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Speaker 5: would you like to talk about? What concerns you? Troubles

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Speaker 5: building and construction. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 5: to you, Lisa.

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Speaker 6: How are you paying?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm very well in yourself.

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Speaker 7: Hi.

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Speaker 8: Am.

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Speaker 9: So I've got a bit of an interesting one for you.

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Speaker 9: About eleven years ago, I purchased a house, you know,

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Speaker 9: like one of those I said a pronounce.

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Speaker 4: For being leaky buildings.

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Speaker 9: But I got a building report done on it and

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Speaker 9: it was perfectly sound at the time, and had my

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Speaker 9: The checked it out thoroughly as well. And when I

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Speaker 9: went to sell it three years later, the agent pulled

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Speaker 9: pull a limb when.

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Speaker 8: I purchased it.

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Speaker 9: So got on breakfast. So looking into looking into you know,

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Speaker 9: the whole situation further. What happened was it built on

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Speaker 9: in a sheared driveway, where I don't own the driveway.

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Speaker 9: I've just got legal access to the driveway, and the

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Speaker 9: same building company, A One Builders, built two houses on

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Speaker 9: that driveway and the only thing that wasn't signed off

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Speaker 9: on my property were the piles that wanted piles.

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Speaker 4: That have not shifted.

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Speaker 9: It's fully healthy homes Compliant had had the piles have

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Speaker 9: not shifted, And as far as the council is concerned,

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Speaker 9: I has to. It has to be apt to building

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Speaker 9: code of today, not you know, the odd years ago when.

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Speaker 10: It was built.

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Speaker 9: So I get that, but I'm just a little bit

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Speaker 9: perplexed because I ended up beinging in touch with the

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Speaker 9: solicitor who did a big project was towering houses at

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Speaker 9: the crossing that were put I don't know if you

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Speaker 9: heard about that, that there was a big drama, whether

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Speaker 9: to that barrister. His opinion, I receiveral phone walls and

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Speaker 9: lots of digging around, and either I'm saying, no, it's

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Speaker 9: not our problem because read the disclaimer on the report

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Speaker 9: indicators that what I should be doing is just getting

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Speaker 9: rid of it just to sell us right. So I

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Speaker 9: am in the process now of renovating that house with

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Speaker 9: my partner and we're just going to turn it into

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Speaker 9: a rental. Do you think a that's a good idea?

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Speaker 7: Am I?

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Speaker 4: Legally?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Well okay, okay, so just excuse me, sorry, craky, Hey, sorry,

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Speaker 5: I'm just just at the end of that bloody cold

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Speaker 5: that's been hanging around all week. Peacht it's really good

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Speaker 5: looked in peacht I'll put that on the list.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, lovely.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Hindsight's is twenty twenty. But I'm surprised that

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Speaker 5: something as straightforward as reading the limb when you purchase

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Speaker 5: the house eleven years ago, and we're not talking the

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Speaker 5: dark past when these things didn't exist, right, that no

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Speaker 5: one realized that, hey, building consent such and such never

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Speaker 5: the original work was done. Is the house older than

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Speaker 5: nineteen ninety one when was the house itself built?

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Speaker 9: It is just older than nineteen ninety one and everything

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Speaker 5: The reason that that's really really important is that around

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Speaker 5: ninety ninety one is when the Building Act changed and

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Speaker 5: we had the introduction of essentially a different framework. We

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Speaker 5: went from building permits to building consents, building consents require

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Speaker 5: a CCC to be issued to complete them. Building permits don't, right,

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Speaker 5: So it just wasn't part of the legislation, So you

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Speaker 5: can't be expected to get a CCC for something that

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Speaker 5: had a building permit. So I just wonder whether, and

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Speaker 5: I'm sure sure your lawyers have already checked this, but

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Speaker 5: you'd need to go back and look at the detail

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Speaker 5: and go did this building get a building permit or

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Speaker 5: did it get a building consent? Is it pre nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety one or post nineteen ninety one, in which case

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Speaker 5: it's irrelevant. Right, Well, it's highly relevant because you don't

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Speaker 5: need one. So but let's say it's post nineteen ninety

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Speaker 5: one and there is a building consent that never got

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Speaker 5: its CCC, and you're now trying to get the CCC.

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Speaker 5: That is going to be a reasonably challenging process, right

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Speaker 5: So if but at the same time, if what you've

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Speaker 11: but you know water damage I guess is look for

429
00:25:00,575 --> 00:25:04,015
Speaker 11: the bubbly and we're just wondering what's the best way

430
00:25:04,215 --> 00:25:06,055
Speaker 11: to deal with that. We want to repaint it.

431
00:25:07,535 --> 00:25:09,295
Speaker 5: You're going to paint it. You're not trying to keep

432
00:25:09,335 --> 00:25:13,215
Speaker 5: a clear finish on it or something like that. Okay,

433
00:25:15,575 --> 00:25:18,055
Speaker 5: To be fair, you've got to be realistic about how

434
00:25:18,175 --> 00:25:20,895
Speaker 5: good it's ever going to be. So if it's got

435
00:25:20,935 --> 00:25:25,455
Speaker 5: water damage. But okay, but we want to and is

436
00:25:25,455 --> 00:25:28,655
Speaker 5: it for is it an md IF core to like

437
00:25:28,695 --> 00:25:30,415
Speaker 5: a malamine top or something like that.

438
00:25:31,975 --> 00:25:35,775
Speaker 12: I'm not sure because somebody's painted over it was justly

439
00:25:35,855 --> 00:25:40,455
Speaker 12: flat paint. Okay, all right, breasts all through the painting.

440
00:25:40,575 --> 00:25:42,495
Speaker 5: Oh gorgeous sounds better and better.

441
00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,975
Speaker 11: It's not a sound and solid so yeah, okay.

442
00:25:45,815 --> 00:25:48,535
Speaker 5: Look, I would probably just hit it as hard as

443
00:25:48,575 --> 00:25:51,255
Speaker 5: I can with a sander, ideally a belt sander or

444
00:25:51,295 --> 00:25:55,295
Speaker 5: a random orbital quite coarse, like really rip into it

445
00:25:56,095 --> 00:25:58,535
Speaker 5: and sand. What what will happen is where you've got

446
00:25:58,535 --> 00:26:02,695
Speaker 5: the water damage, it will it's all lumpy and and

447
00:26:02,775 --> 00:26:04,935
Speaker 5: so on. So you just want to sand that back

448
00:26:05,895 --> 00:26:09,255
Speaker 5: as which as you possibly can. Then I would saturate

449
00:26:09,295 --> 00:26:13,655
Speaker 5: the surface with. In fact with MDF, what they recommend

450
00:26:13,775 --> 00:26:18,655
Speaker 5: is water born like quick dry so razine quick dry primer. Okay,

451
00:26:18,695 --> 00:26:21,975
Speaker 5: that's a that will then bring up that will hold

452
00:26:22,055 --> 00:26:25,055
Speaker 5: all of the fibers together.

453
00:26:25,175 --> 00:26:27,095
Speaker 13: A little bit worried about sand.

454
00:26:26,975 --> 00:26:29,295
Speaker 5: That again until you've got a smooth surface, So there

455
00:26:29,375 --> 00:26:32,815
Speaker 5: might be a couple of applications of sanding primer. Then

456
00:26:32,855 --> 00:26:35,135
Speaker 5: once you've got the surface, and again you've got to

457
00:26:35,175 --> 00:26:38,135
Speaker 5: be realistic about what the look that you're going to achieve.

458
00:26:38,495 --> 00:26:42,055
Speaker 5: Sand it back hard, primate, sand it again, primate. Once

459
00:26:42,055 --> 00:26:44,455
Speaker 5: it's looking reasonably stable and flat, then you can do

460
00:26:44,495 --> 00:26:48,895
Speaker 5: your top coat over that. And I if it's going

461
00:26:48,935 --> 00:26:51,015
Speaker 5: to be a surface that you're going to use, like

462
00:26:51,095 --> 00:26:53,735
Speaker 5: for a work desk or something like that, I would

463
00:26:53,775 --> 00:26:56,455
Speaker 5: probably look at using some of the water born enamels

464
00:26:58,095 --> 00:27:01,695
Speaker 5: that'll give you just a bit more durable than an acrylic.

465
00:27:01,335 --> 00:27:05,255
Speaker 12: Basically holding those fibers to give were worried about. We're

466
00:27:05,295 --> 00:27:07,615
Speaker 12: thinking about putting on the pets as well.

467
00:27:08,575 --> 00:27:11,775
Speaker 5: No, probably limited success with that. I think just send

468
00:27:11,815 --> 00:27:14,735
Speaker 5: it back really really hard for seala and then just

469
00:27:14,855 --> 00:27:18,135
Speaker 5: use quick dry.

470
00:27:17,695 --> 00:27:20,695
Speaker 13: Already, all the very best to you.

471
00:27:21,175 --> 00:27:24,455
Speaker 5: Take care Sela. By way, there I'm just thinking I've

472
00:27:25,255 --> 00:27:28,935
Speaker 5: I've built in some cabinet try shelving in my workshop

473
00:27:28,975 --> 00:27:33,735
Speaker 5: at home, and I used actually I used tryboard as

474
00:27:33,935 --> 00:27:38,775
Speaker 5: the top as well, like thirty two milfak tryboard from

475
00:27:38,855 --> 00:27:42,575
Speaker 5: J and L. And then because I just wanted to

476
00:27:42,575 --> 00:27:44,335
Speaker 5: make it a little bit more durable, I ended up

477
00:27:44,415 --> 00:27:47,335
Speaker 5: coating it and putting a raisine. It was luster gral,

478
00:27:47,335 --> 00:27:49,455
Speaker 5: which is the water borne enamel over the top. And

479
00:27:49,535 --> 00:27:52,735
Speaker 5: that's got to be the better part of Shivers seven

480
00:27:52,895 --> 00:27:55,655
Speaker 5: eight years ago. And it's to be fair, it's remarkable

481
00:27:55,695 --> 00:28:01,135
Speaker 5: how well it's it's held up. So you know, in

482
00:28:01,175 --> 00:28:03,655
Speaker 5: this case the tryboard, which has an MDF layer on it,

483
00:28:04,735 --> 00:28:07,655
Speaker 5: plus a couple of good thick coats and paint over

484
00:28:07,695 --> 00:28:10,895
Speaker 5: the top in a workshop environment's lasted quite well. O.

485
00:28:11,015 --> 00:28:13,295
Speaker 5: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

486
00:28:13,295 --> 00:28:14,695
Speaker 5: call John. Good morning to you.

487
00:28:15,815 --> 00:28:18,735
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hi, Pete, I'm really inmbrerassed in it. But about

488
00:28:19,295 --> 00:28:22,855
Speaker 6: your talking about that other lady, Yes up to nineteen

489
00:28:22,975 --> 00:28:26,415
Speaker 6: ninety one. Are you saying you don't have to get

490
00:28:26,415 --> 00:28:27,815
Speaker 6: a CCC yet?

491
00:28:28,655 --> 00:28:32,335
Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, it's probably slightly more nuanced than that. But

492
00:28:32,415 --> 00:28:34,935
Speaker 5: if you look through like if you grab a Limb

493
00:28:35,135 --> 00:28:38,255
Speaker 5: report for example, and it's on an older building, nineteen

494
00:28:38,295 --> 00:28:42,735
Speaker 5: fifties building, and it might have a building permit was

495
00:28:42,775 --> 00:28:46,335
Speaker 5: issued in nineteen fifty for the construction of a one

496
00:28:46,415 --> 00:28:49,855
Speaker 5: hundred square meter three bedroom home, and will it will

497
00:28:49,895 --> 00:28:54,175
Speaker 5: list the building list, the building permit number, and then

498
00:28:54,215 --> 00:28:57,055
Speaker 5: it will note no CCC. And then when you read

499
00:28:57,095 --> 00:29:00,335
Speaker 5: the notes further down, it'll say pre nineteen ninety one,

500
00:29:01,535 --> 00:29:06,375
Speaker 5: basically CCC's didn't exist, so therefore it doesn't have one.

501
00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:09,335
Speaker 5: And so around nineteen ninety one there was a change

502
00:29:09,375 --> 00:29:11,975
Speaker 5: to the Building Act. We saw the we went from

503
00:29:11,975 --> 00:29:16,615
Speaker 5: building permits to building consents. Building consents typically ended up

504
00:29:16,615 --> 00:29:17,895
Speaker 5: requiring a CCC.

505
00:29:19,775 --> 00:29:22,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm aware of that. No, it was just I

506
00:29:22,575 --> 00:29:25,135
Speaker 6: think it's a pretty important thing for some people to

507
00:29:25,255 --> 00:29:29,495
Speaker 6: know with an older how that you don't need to

508
00:29:29,535 --> 00:29:31,535
Speaker 6: get a CP have Yeah, find.

509
00:29:31,375 --> 00:29:33,495
Speaker 5: Out Yeah, and look to be fair, I was a

510
00:29:33,535 --> 00:29:36,215
Speaker 5: little bit surprised that Lisa, who purchased the house eleven

511
00:29:36,295 --> 00:29:40,175
Speaker 5: years ago, which is not dim dark past, right, that

512
00:29:40,175 --> 00:29:44,655
Speaker 5: that wasn't really obvious to whoever was doing the conveyancing.

513
00:29:45,015 --> 00:29:48,495
Speaker 5: Hey are you aware that right now? And given the

514
00:29:48,575 --> 00:29:52,375
Speaker 5: house was built nineteen ninety five in eleven years ago,

515
00:29:52,495 --> 00:29:56,295
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen. We were very well aware of the risks

516
00:29:56,295 --> 00:29:59,335
Speaker 5: of certain types of construction that were built around that time.

517
00:29:59,495 --> 00:30:03,855
Speaker 5: So again I'm a little bit surprised that nobody picked

518
00:30:03,855 --> 00:30:06,415
Speaker 5: it up at the time. But that's called come that

519
00:30:06,695 --> 00:30:09,375
Speaker 5: when you're sitting there right now with a building that doesn't.

520
00:30:09,415 --> 00:30:13,415
Speaker 6: When we built a lot of houses in the sixties,

521
00:30:13,455 --> 00:30:16,815
Speaker 6: when I was during my time, sure there was that was. Yeah,

522
00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:24,495
Speaker 6: you hardly saw a building, and well they knew that

523
00:30:25,055 --> 00:30:27,615
Speaker 6: they always turn up at least once, but they knew

524
00:30:27,615 --> 00:30:30,135
Speaker 6: who were the good builders and who weren't, and they

525
00:30:30,255 --> 00:30:32,335
Speaker 6: focused more of their time on the ones that are

526
00:30:32,335 --> 00:30:36,975
Speaker 6: not so good. And those houses will do it another

527
00:30:36,975 --> 00:30:39,455
Speaker 6: one hundred years if they were left just the way

528
00:30:39,535 --> 00:30:43,255
Speaker 6: they were when we all built them.

529
00:30:43,575 --> 00:30:48,015
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, and it's hard to argue with

530
00:30:48,095 --> 00:30:51,695
Speaker 5: the fact that many of those buildings are tremendously robust,

531
00:30:51,815 --> 00:30:57,615
Speaker 5: right relatively simple structures, so you know, not terribly complicated roofs,

532
00:30:58,095 --> 00:31:01,695
Speaker 5: nice big eaves to give protection to the joinery, you know,

533
00:31:01,735 --> 00:31:06,735
Speaker 5: the critical part of the envelope. Simple cladding. It was

534
00:31:06,895 --> 00:31:08,335
Speaker 5: I mean, most of what you would have done in

535
00:31:08,335 --> 00:31:11,495
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties would have been either brick or weatherboards

536
00:31:11,535 --> 00:31:17,455
Speaker 5: A correct, Yeah, so you know, not terribly complex buildings,

537
00:31:17,935 --> 00:31:24,575
Speaker 5: simple structures designed to endure. I guess the challenge with

538
00:31:24,655 --> 00:31:27,375
Speaker 5: them now is that also when you were building in

539
00:31:27,455 --> 00:31:31,295
Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties, insulation would have been you wouldn't have

540
00:31:31,335 --> 00:31:33,615
Speaker 5: touched a piece of insulation until sometime in the late

541
00:31:33,655 --> 00:31:38,095
Speaker 5: nineteen seventies. I'm guessing correct. Yeah, So you know, in

542
00:31:38,175 --> 00:31:41,015
Speaker 5: terms of how they perform and how they work in

543
00:31:41,095 --> 00:31:43,735
Speaker 5: terms of heating and so on, that's where we've got

544
00:31:43,855 --> 00:31:46,935
Speaker 5: challenges with these old buildings. But they're often really good

545
00:31:46,935 --> 00:31:50,695
Speaker 5: candidates for a deep retrofit. In fact, a family member

546
00:31:51,135 --> 00:31:54,175
Speaker 5: bought one a couple of years ago, stripped out all

547
00:31:54,215 --> 00:31:57,375
Speaker 5: of the lining, added insulation, put insulation in the ceilings,

548
00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:02,535
Speaker 5: actually pulled out the old timber joinery and used uPVC

549
00:32:02,695 --> 00:32:06,615
Speaker 5: inserts that came with double glazing. It's turned into right,

550
00:32:06,735 --> 00:32:11,335
Speaker 5: because of the inherent stability or security in the house.

551
00:32:12,255 --> 00:32:14,935
Speaker 5: With those modern upgrades, they've ended up with a really,

552
00:32:15,055 --> 00:32:16,735
Speaker 5: really good, robust house.

553
00:32:17,575 --> 00:32:20,535
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they would say, because our parents built a

554
00:32:20,535 --> 00:32:24,255
Speaker 6: brand new house in nineteen fifty five, right, and living

555
00:32:24,375 --> 00:32:26,855
Speaker 6: in the living room on a really windy day, you

556
00:32:26,855 --> 00:32:29,255
Speaker 6: could the lino sort of floated a little bit.

557
00:32:31,815 --> 00:32:34,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good way of describing them, isn't it.

558
00:32:35,175 --> 00:32:37,015
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was no insulation anywhere.

559
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,295
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so and.

560
00:32:40,095 --> 00:32:42,935
Speaker 6: Because the wind went everywhere and they were never wet.

561
00:32:43,015 --> 00:32:46,415
Speaker 6: Just so that's that's probably the biggest thing I think.

562
00:32:46,495 --> 00:32:48,455
Speaker 5: You know, I'm in an old villa as well, so

563
00:32:48,535 --> 00:32:50,815
Speaker 5: I think the way that we often described these older

564
00:32:50,855 --> 00:32:56,255
Speaker 5: houses is drafty but dry. Right, So if the water

565
00:32:56,335 --> 00:32:58,415
Speaker 5: did get in, you know, let's say there was a

566
00:32:58,415 --> 00:33:01,295
Speaker 5: flashing that wasn't done particularly well, or the scriber had

567
00:33:01,375 --> 00:33:03,375
Speaker 5: got a gap around it and water got driven and

568
00:33:03,495 --> 00:33:06,095
Speaker 5: behind there, the fact that every time the wind blew

569
00:33:06,135 --> 00:33:08,615
Speaker 5: it whistled all the way through the building just allowed

570
00:33:08,655 --> 00:33:13,135
Speaker 5: them to dry out. And without oversimplifying it, it's probably

571
00:33:13,175 --> 00:33:15,255
Speaker 5: true to say that one of the issues we had

572
00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:19,135
Speaker 5: during the leaky building crisis where we had direct fixed

573
00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:22,055
Speaker 5: fiber cements straight onto the studs, is that once the

574
00:33:22,095 --> 00:33:25,415
Speaker 5: water got through the fiber cement, it got trapped in

575
00:33:25,495 --> 00:33:28,935
Speaker 5: there between the building wrap and the and the timber

576
00:33:28,935 --> 00:33:32,575
Speaker 5: framing couldn't dry out, no airflow through it, and so

577
00:33:32,735 --> 00:33:33,735
Speaker 5: decay sets.

578
00:33:33,495 --> 00:33:37,855
Speaker 6: Them and the other in. Yeah, we built a lot

579
00:33:37,895 --> 00:33:41,415
Speaker 6: of woolsheds as well right, and of course they were

580
00:33:41,575 --> 00:33:44,895
Speaker 6: built with feet and I drive fast them every so

581
00:33:45,015 --> 00:33:47,015
Speaker 6: often and they're as good as the day that we

582
00:33:47,135 --> 00:33:49,015
Speaker 6: built them.

583
00:33:49,535 --> 00:33:52,095
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And again, look that's that thing. If you've

584
00:33:52,095 --> 00:33:54,855
Speaker 5: got something, if it's untreated timber, if it's exposed to

585
00:33:54,855 --> 00:33:57,695
Speaker 5: the elements. But every time, you know, inevitably, if it rains,

586
00:33:58,535 --> 00:34:00,655
Speaker 5: you've got sun the next day, right, so it dries

587
00:34:00,655 --> 00:34:05,375
Speaker 5: out and that's what stops their timber structures rotting. Basically,

588
00:34:06,415 --> 00:34:08,255
Speaker 5: nice to reminisce with you, John, Thank you very much

589
00:34:08,295 --> 00:34:10,735
Speaker 5: for that. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

590
00:34:10,815 --> 00:34:13,095
Speaker 5: number to call, coming up sixteen minutes away from seven.

591
00:34:13,295 --> 00:34:15,255
Speaker 5: If you've got a question of a building nature, give

592
00:34:15,335 --> 00:34:17,975
Speaker 5: us a call right now, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

593
00:34:18,375 --> 00:34:21,295
Speaker 1: Whether you're paty with ceiling, fixing with fens, or wondering

594
00:34:21,335 --> 00:34:23,495
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give feedl

595
00:34:23,495 --> 00:34:26,655
Speaker 1: Wolf Gaffer call on eight hundred eighty ten eighty, the

596
00:34:26,815 --> 00:34:28,615
Speaker 1: resident builder on News Dog ZB.

597
00:34:29,215 --> 00:34:31,335
Speaker 5: Yeah, when News Talk SB, we've got a time for

598
00:34:31,415 --> 00:34:35,295
Speaker 5: some calls. Absolutely, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that

599
00:34:35,415 --> 00:34:37,735
Speaker 5: number to call. Now's a really good time to call. Actually,

600
00:34:37,895 --> 00:34:40,895
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty then number to call. A

601
00:34:40,975 --> 00:34:44,815
Speaker 5: couple of other texts with regard to deposits. It's obviously

602
00:34:45,615 --> 00:34:47,375
Speaker 5: I'll be happy to take some calls on this. So

603
00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:51,575
Speaker 5: the initial text would be was about what size deposit

604
00:34:51,775 --> 00:34:56,175
Speaker 5: should I give it a twenty nine thousand dollars roofing job. Look,

605
00:34:56,215 --> 00:34:59,055
Speaker 5: I think if you've done your due diligence, you think

606
00:34:59,095 --> 00:35:02,535
Speaker 5: that you've got a good contractor who's reliable. Ideally, if

607
00:35:02,575 --> 00:35:05,095
Speaker 5: you're talking roofing, you've got someone who's a member of

608
00:35:05,135 --> 00:35:10,415
Speaker 5: the Roofing Association, because that'll give you some protection if

609
00:35:10,455 --> 00:35:14,175
Speaker 5: things don't go well and you're due to start, there's

610
00:35:14,175 --> 00:35:17,775
Speaker 5: a reasonable timeline. That's the other thing with deposits, you know,

611
00:35:18,335 --> 00:35:20,615
Speaker 5: I don't think it's a great idea to give to

612
00:35:20,775 --> 00:35:23,455
Speaker 5: set down a deposit for a job that might start

613
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:27,255
Speaker 5: in six months time. There's always a counter to these things.

614
00:35:28,135 --> 00:35:30,695
Speaker 5: A couple of years back, when things were really really busy,

615
00:35:31,695 --> 00:35:35,815
Speaker 5: I know a building contractor who is very very good,

616
00:35:36,175 --> 00:35:39,855
Speaker 5: does outstanding work and is in high demand, and so

617
00:35:39,975 --> 00:35:43,975
Speaker 5: people were coming to him and his firm going hey,

618
00:35:43,975 --> 00:35:46,335
Speaker 5: we've got this big renovation, we'd like you to do it,

619
00:35:46,375 --> 00:35:48,655
Speaker 5: and he'd go, well, look I'm not free or my

620
00:35:48,735 --> 00:35:52,175
Speaker 5: guys aren't free for seven or eight months, will you wait?

621
00:35:52,335 --> 00:35:54,655
Speaker 5: And the person say, yeah, that'll be fine, that'll be fine,

622
00:35:54,655 --> 00:35:56,375
Speaker 5: And so he'd put it in the diary for seven

623
00:35:56,415 --> 00:36:00,735
Speaker 5: eight months in the future, and then possibly things change

624
00:36:01,015 --> 00:36:04,255
Speaker 5: and the person would go, oh, no, look, I'm not

625
00:36:04,295 --> 00:36:07,375
Speaker 5: going to go ahead with it. So when things were

626
00:36:07,375 --> 00:36:11,055
Speaker 5: really but he would take a deposit as a sign

627
00:36:11,055 --> 00:36:13,455
Speaker 5: of good faith that the person wanted to go ahead,

628
00:36:13,495 --> 00:36:15,655
Speaker 5: and he would guarantee that he could start in seven

629
00:36:15,735 --> 00:36:20,255
Speaker 5: or eight months time, which is really really interesting. Now,

630
00:36:20,295 --> 00:36:23,615
Speaker 5: what's different about that is that that deposit would go

631
00:36:23,695 --> 00:36:27,335
Speaker 5: into a trust account with the lawyers. It was completely transparent.

632
00:36:27,415 --> 00:36:29,935
Speaker 5: It didn't go into And this is the concern that

633
00:36:29,975 --> 00:36:33,415
Speaker 5: people are often asking for deposits because they owe somebody

634
00:36:33,455 --> 00:36:35,655
Speaker 5: else money. They're going to take your money and pay

635
00:36:35,695 --> 00:36:38,215
Speaker 5: somebody out their bills to somebody else. That's the concern

636
00:36:38,255 --> 00:36:44,055
Speaker 5: around the deposits. So timing is everything and another here's

637
00:36:44,295 --> 00:36:46,815
Speaker 5: the text and response to this. This is good Pete.

638
00:36:46,855 --> 00:36:49,615
Speaker 5: As a painting contractor, I think asking for a deposit

639
00:36:49,735 --> 00:36:52,575
Speaker 5: is a two way relationship. Yes, there are materials, et

640
00:36:52,615 --> 00:36:55,255
Speaker 5: cetera to purchase, but I also think it's a test

641
00:36:55,455 --> 00:36:58,535
Speaker 5: to see whether the money's available. I generally ask for

642
00:36:58,575 --> 00:37:02,175
Speaker 5: anywhere between thirty three and forty percent, depending on the

643
00:37:02,215 --> 00:37:05,655
Speaker 5: material content. I'd also say that twenty twenty five years

644
00:37:05,655 --> 00:37:08,535
Speaker 5: ago Aldham asks for one. Now I wouldn't start a

645
00:37:08,615 --> 00:37:11,655
Speaker 5: job worth more than one thousand dollars without one from Jason.

646
00:37:11,855 --> 00:37:15,015
Speaker 5: Thanks very much for your text, Jackson, I completely understand

647
00:37:15,055 --> 00:37:17,175
Speaker 5: that point of view. I w eight hundred eighty ten eighty,

648
00:37:17,175 --> 00:37:19,855
Speaker 5: will short break, then we'll talked to Mike if you'd

649
00:37:19,855 --> 00:37:22,055
Speaker 5: like to join us. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty

650
00:37:22,095 --> 00:37:25,495
Speaker 5: the number squeaky door or squeaky floor.

651
00:37:25,655 --> 00:37:29,015
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

652
00:37:29,215 --> 00:37:30,375
Speaker 1: on news Talks MB.

653
00:37:32,175 --> 00:37:35,775
Speaker 5: Intriguing discussions, and undoubtedly be a few more texts on

654
00:37:35,815 --> 00:37:38,975
Speaker 5: this around. You know, deposits and so on and again,

655
00:37:40,175 --> 00:37:45,415
Speaker 5: you know reliable trades people, trustworthy trades people and businesses. No,

656
00:37:45,655 --> 00:37:49,495
Speaker 5: I mean kitchen manufacturers, for example, fifty percent deposit before

657
00:37:49,495 --> 00:37:52,375
Speaker 5: they start making the kitchen. That's not unreasonable, I don't think.

658
00:37:52,455 --> 00:37:55,295
Speaker 5: And certainly when I had the last couple of kitchens done,

659
00:37:55,535 --> 00:38:01,015
Speaker 5: that's fine. You know I'll pay that. And here's another

660
00:38:01,055 --> 00:38:03,135
Speaker 5: quick text just before we go to Mike Pete. Having

661
00:38:03,135 --> 00:38:06,295
Speaker 5: a good relationship with the local services is really important.

662
00:38:06,375 --> 00:38:09,655
Speaker 5: So recent reroof and spouting fifty three thousand dollars job,

663
00:38:09,775 --> 00:38:13,095
Speaker 5: no deposit report required, paid the full invoice of the

664
00:38:13,135 --> 00:38:15,535
Speaker 5: day it turned up later on. Needed a small job done,

665
00:38:15,815 --> 00:38:18,055
Speaker 5: usually a two week wait. They were there that afternoon.

666
00:38:18,575 --> 00:38:22,375
Speaker 5: Look one hundred percent, Nick, I thoroughly agree with you.

667
00:38:22,455 --> 00:38:25,855
Speaker 5: And the best way to get a good relationship with

668
00:38:25,895 --> 00:38:28,735
Speaker 5: your trade is if they've done the job, and let's

669
00:38:28,735 --> 00:38:31,135
Speaker 5: say they put on their invoice paying seven days or

670
00:38:31,135 --> 00:38:33,575
Speaker 5: fourteen days. If you've got the money paid the next day,

671
00:38:34,655 --> 00:38:37,015
Speaker 5: you know that's the way to build up a good relationship.

672
00:38:37,015 --> 00:38:39,135
Speaker 5: One hundred percent agree with you, Nick, Thank you, Mike,

673
00:38:39,175 --> 00:38:40,015
Speaker 5: Good morning.

674
00:38:41,175 --> 00:38:41,855
Speaker 7: Good morning.

675
00:38:42,895 --> 00:38:48,895
Speaker 14: Got a nineteen fifty house with plaster board ceilings.

676
00:38:48,375 --> 00:38:51,495
Speaker 5: Plaster or fibrous plasters.

677
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:53,855
Speaker 7: Fibrous plaster, yep, yep.

678
00:38:54,055 --> 00:38:56,175
Speaker 14: And I was talking to a guy that made them

679
00:38:56,295 --> 00:38:58,295
Speaker 14: one day at one more and he said, he said,

680
00:38:58,335 --> 00:38:59,975
Speaker 14: ye're only good for about fifty years.

681
00:38:59,975 --> 00:39:00,695
Speaker 7: Thanks mate.

682
00:39:01,255 --> 00:39:04,375
Speaker 5: Anyway, Yeah, yes, sir.

683
00:39:04,455 --> 00:39:07,175
Speaker 15: And the way I've got one the lounge I got

684
00:39:07,215 --> 00:39:12,415
Speaker 15: done recently where the painters cracking and crazy and and

685
00:39:12,535 --> 00:39:14,175
Speaker 15: coming away a little bit, and I've got one of

686
00:39:14,215 --> 00:39:17,535
Speaker 15: the bedroom doing the same but to a large extent.

687
00:39:18,295 --> 00:39:20,215
Speaker 7: Now, the guys came into one of the.

688
00:39:20,135 --> 00:39:24,095
Speaker 14: Lounge and what they did they stripped away the with

689
00:39:24,255 --> 00:39:28,655
Speaker 14: a scarce and knife, the you know places in question.

690
00:39:29,375 --> 00:39:32,615
Speaker 14: They filled that with the contract further and in a

691
00:39:32,695 --> 00:39:37,775
Speaker 14: coat of what was it of three and one prep

692
00:39:38,175 --> 00:39:43,295
Speaker 14: for prep paint and then two coats of de Luxe

693
00:39:44,975 --> 00:39:49,455
Speaker 14: semi you know flat paint. Now the one the one

694
00:39:49,495 --> 00:39:52,455
Speaker 14: in the bedroom, which is a little bit whereas that

695
00:39:52,535 --> 00:39:55,775
Speaker 14: a few more areas of that would that would that

696
00:39:55,895 --> 00:39:57,015
Speaker 14: be a good fix?

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00:39:58,095 --> 00:40:00,455
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, look, if it's worked in the other area,

698
00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:01,935
Speaker 5: then there's no reason.

699
00:40:02,695 --> 00:40:06,615
Speaker 14: Worked it was only done a week ago, or.

700
00:40:08,775 --> 00:40:13,375
Speaker 5: Look, I probably I would use different products, right. So

701
00:40:13,495 --> 00:40:16,055
Speaker 5: if it was me and I've done some stuff on

702
00:40:16,095 --> 00:40:20,935
Speaker 5: firerus plasta thorough clean scrape back any loose material with

703
00:40:21,095 --> 00:40:26,015
Speaker 5: plaster surfaces, particularly old plaster surfaces surfaces, I really like

704
00:40:26,095 --> 00:40:30,975
Speaker 5: to use pigmented seala and it probably an oil based one.

705
00:40:31,015 --> 00:40:32,735
Speaker 5: There is now a water borne one as well, but

706
00:40:32,815 --> 00:40:36,615
Speaker 5: an oil based pigmented seala. And what that does typically

707
00:40:36,735 --> 00:40:40,695
Speaker 5: is it binds all of the old coatings together with

708
00:40:40,775 --> 00:40:44,135
Speaker 5: the substrate so it seems to penetrate and lock everything together.

709
00:40:44,775 --> 00:40:47,615
Speaker 5: Once I've done a pigmented seala, that's when I apply

710
00:40:47,895 --> 00:40:52,175
Speaker 5: any stopping or filling to that surface. Then I do

711
00:40:52,255 --> 00:40:55,495
Speaker 5: pigmented seala over the top of that again, and then

712
00:40:55,615 --> 00:40:58,295
Speaker 5: you can carry on with your acrylic top coats like

713
00:40:58,815 --> 00:41:01,655
Speaker 5: a ceiling flat or something like that. So that would

714
00:41:01,735 --> 00:41:06,855
Speaker 5: be my approach to it and my experience. That's all worked,

715
00:41:06,895 --> 00:41:10,215
Speaker 5: so give that a go as well. But what the

716
00:41:10,255 --> 00:41:12,575
Speaker 5: other guys did works, then stick with that too, So

717
00:41:12,775 --> 00:41:14,375
Speaker 5: you've got some options back after.

718
00:41:14,135 --> 00:41:18,055
Speaker 1: The break helping you get those DIY projects done right.

719
00:41:18,215 --> 00:41:21,535
Speaker 1: The resident builder with peta Wolfcat call OH eight hundred

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00:41:21,615 --> 00:41:24,175
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty Youth Talk ZB Well.

721
00:41:24,055 --> 00:41:26,015
Speaker 5: A very good morning, welcome back to the program. Oh

722
00:41:26,055 --> 00:41:28,575
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

723
00:41:28,655 --> 00:41:30,775
Speaker 5: No mucking around this morning. If you've got a question,

724
00:41:31,335 --> 00:41:34,015
Speaker 5: give me a call right now on eight hundred eighty

725
00:41:34,095 --> 00:41:37,375
Speaker 5: ten eighty. It could be about compliance, could be about materials,

726
00:41:37,375 --> 00:41:39,615
Speaker 5: it could be about tips and tricks. We've been talking

727
00:41:39,655 --> 00:41:43,175
Speaker 5: a little bit about deposits, which is always always an

728
00:41:43,175 --> 00:41:46,615
Speaker 5: intriguing one, you know, and it seems to be we've

729
00:41:46,655 --> 00:41:48,815
Speaker 5: had a couple of different opinions coming in through the

730
00:41:48,855 --> 00:41:52,575
Speaker 5: text machine. So someone asking, look, what's a reasonable deposit

731
00:41:52,695 --> 00:41:56,215
Speaker 5: to pay for a roofing contract. Let's say, so if

732
00:41:56,215 --> 00:41:59,215
Speaker 5: you're doing a reroof and you've accepted a price, and

733
00:41:59,255 --> 00:42:02,095
Speaker 5: then the contractor says, in this instance it was a

734
00:42:02,175 --> 00:42:06,535
Speaker 5: twenty nine thousand dollars job, sounds reasonable, and then the

735
00:42:06,695 --> 00:42:10,575
Speaker 5: contractor is asking for a fifty percent deposit? Is that

736
00:42:10,695 --> 00:42:12,175
Speaker 5: reasonable in that instance?

737
00:42:12,215 --> 00:42:12,495
Speaker 7: It is.

738
00:42:12,895 --> 00:42:14,815
Speaker 5: I've always been, and I've been quite open about this,

739
00:42:14,975 --> 00:42:20,375
Speaker 5: fairly critical of contractors asking for significant deposits, particularly for jobs,

740
00:42:20,415 --> 00:42:26,615
Speaker 5: you know, carpentry jobs. I don't see why I would

741
00:42:26,615 --> 00:42:30,295
Speaker 5: typically at this the beginning of a contract, like literally

742
00:42:30,335 --> 00:42:33,815
Speaker 5: the week before we'd start, ask for a deposit. Let's

743
00:42:33,815 --> 00:42:36,615
Speaker 5: say that allowed me to cover the guy's wages or

744
00:42:36,615 --> 00:42:40,135
Speaker 5: the guy's contract for the first two weeks until I

745
00:42:40,175 --> 00:42:42,535
Speaker 5: put in a first progress payment, that sort of thing.

746
00:42:43,175 --> 00:42:46,695
Speaker 5: But you know, asking for hefty deposits for building work

747
00:42:46,735 --> 00:42:49,295
Speaker 5: and other types of construction work. I think if you

748
00:42:49,455 --> 00:42:55,095
Speaker 5: google you know, dodgy builder, dodgy contractor dodgy concrete layer,

749
00:42:56,455 --> 00:42:59,455
Speaker 5: inevitably in there there will be a story about, you know,

750
00:42:59,535 --> 00:43:02,015
Speaker 5: they came, they tooked a big story and then they

751
00:43:02,055 --> 00:43:04,215
Speaker 5: asked for a hefty deposit, and then we didn't see

752
00:43:04,215 --> 00:43:05,895
Speaker 5: them for weeks, and when they did turn up they

753
00:43:05,895 --> 00:43:08,695
Speaker 5: did a little bit of work. In some cases, you know,

754
00:43:09,495 --> 00:43:13,895
Speaker 5: there's just countless stories. It's depressing and disheartening to read them.

755
00:43:13,935 --> 00:43:17,655
Speaker 5: To be blunt online about you know, people that have

756
00:43:17,735 --> 00:43:21,095
Speaker 5: spent tens of thousands of dollars with contractors who have

757
00:43:21,175 --> 00:43:23,695
Speaker 5: done very little work. The work that they have done

758
00:43:23,775 --> 00:43:27,655
Speaker 5: is very poor, and yet they keep their hand out

759
00:43:27,735 --> 00:43:29,655
Speaker 5: for more money, more money, Oh, I need a bit

760
00:43:29,655 --> 00:43:34,775
Speaker 5: more money to get that job. Or it's never a

761
00:43:34,815 --> 00:43:37,015
Speaker 5: surprise when you look at a job that's gone badly

762
00:43:37,255 --> 00:43:40,255
Speaker 5: that there weren't warning signs much earlier on. Anyway, we

763
00:43:40,295 --> 00:43:42,415
Speaker 5: can talk about that, or we can be a little

764
00:43:42,415 --> 00:43:46,815
Speaker 5: bit more up lightened and enthusiastic around engaging with contractors

765
00:43:46,855 --> 00:43:49,495
Speaker 5: and talk about jobs that you might like to get done.

766
00:43:49,695 --> 00:43:51,735
Speaker 5: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten, and I love that

767
00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:54,415
Speaker 5: text actually just before the news. Having a good relationship

768
00:43:54,455 --> 00:43:57,895
Speaker 5: with the local services is really important. So for example,

769
00:43:58,415 --> 00:44:01,095
Speaker 5: in this instance required a reroof it was a fifty

770
00:44:01,135 --> 00:44:05,135
Speaker 5: three thousand dollars job, no deposit required. They paid the

771
00:44:05,215 --> 00:44:09,215
Speaker 5: full invoice the day that it turned up later on.

772
00:44:09,335 --> 00:44:12,535
Speaker 5: Needed a small job done normally there's weight I phoned.

773
00:44:12,695 --> 00:44:15,735
Speaker 5: They were there that afternoon. That's what you get as

774
00:44:15,775 --> 00:44:18,815
Speaker 5: a client if you look after your contractors as well.

775
00:44:19,375 --> 00:44:23,055
Speaker 5: So paying promptly, even paying ahead of time is just

776
00:44:23,215 --> 00:44:26,095
Speaker 5: that generates so much goodwill. If they've done the job,

777
00:44:26,215 --> 00:44:28,495
Speaker 5: pay the bill, simple as that. Oh, eight hundred and

778
00:44:28,535 --> 00:44:31,095
Speaker 5: eighty ten eighty the number to call ten minutes after seven.

779
00:44:31,135 --> 00:44:32,615
Speaker 5: A little bit later on, we're going to catch up

780
00:44:32,695 --> 00:44:36,215
Speaker 5: with a fairly young guy running a crew doing some

781
00:44:36,255 --> 00:44:39,855
Speaker 5: beautiful building work outside of Blenham using the J and

782
00:44:39,975 --> 00:44:41,695
Speaker 5: L Jay frames. Will have a bit of a catch

783
00:44:41,735 --> 00:44:44,095
Speaker 5: up with him. And then I've had the opportunity to

784
00:44:44,375 --> 00:44:48,655
Speaker 5: prepare an interview with Professor David Welch from the University

785
00:44:48,695 --> 00:44:54,855
Speaker 5: of Auckland. He is a professor of audiology particularly and

786
00:44:55,055 --> 00:44:58,735
Speaker 5: his specialty is around hearing loss, causes of it, and

787
00:44:58,735 --> 00:45:01,335
Speaker 5: the impact of hearing loss. And I have said on

788
00:45:01,375 --> 00:45:03,775
Speaker 5: a couple of occasions over the last little while that

789
00:45:03,855 --> 00:45:06,695
Speaker 5: you know, I've got a real concern around how trades

790
00:45:06,735 --> 00:45:11,815
Speaker 5: people protect their ears and protect their hearing and whether

791
00:45:11,895 --> 00:45:14,575
Speaker 5: or not certain types of sort of modern devices for

792
00:45:14,655 --> 00:45:18,855
Speaker 5: want of a better phrase, are actually effective in terms

793
00:45:18,895 --> 00:45:21,455
Speaker 5: of their hearing loss. And I'd made a certain number

794
00:45:21,455 --> 00:45:24,495
Speaker 5: of assumptions. Interestingly enough, during the course of the interview,

795
00:45:25,095 --> 00:45:27,655
Speaker 5: I found that maybe I hadn't quite got it right.

796
00:45:27,735 --> 00:45:30,135
Speaker 5: So surprise, surprise, I might have been wrong on something,

797
00:45:30,175 --> 00:45:33,295
Speaker 5: but well, not quite wrong. My concerns were overstated. Anyway,

798
00:45:33,535 --> 00:45:36,055
Speaker 5: That interview coming up for you just after the eight

799
00:45:36,055 --> 00:45:39,855
Speaker 5: o'clock break. But right now it's an opportunity to talk

800
00:45:39,935 --> 00:45:42,695
Speaker 5: all things building in construction, So now's a great time

801
00:45:42,695 --> 00:45:45,335
Speaker 5: to call. The lines are open. The number is eight

802
00:45:45,415 --> 00:45:46,415
Speaker 5: hundred eighty ten.

803
00:45:46,335 --> 00:45:50,575
Speaker 1: Eighty measure twice God was but maybe call Pete first

804
00:45:50,695 --> 00:45:52,615
Speaker 1: video all care the resident builder.

805
00:45:52,775 --> 00:45:54,375
Speaker 7: News talk said by a.

806
00:45:54,415 --> 00:45:55,935
Speaker 5: News talk said, b If you've got a comment that

807
00:45:55,975 --> 00:45:57,935
Speaker 5: you'd like to make, or a question you would like

808
00:45:58,015 --> 00:46:00,655
Speaker 5: to ask, the number to call is eight hundred eighty

809
00:46:00,775 --> 00:46:03,975
Speaker 5: ten eighty. Couple of other quick texts, Hey Pete, any

810
00:46:04,015 --> 00:46:06,815
Speaker 5: good point is about replacing a couple of weather boards

811
00:46:06,815 --> 00:46:10,335
Speaker 5: on a house hints or things to watch out for. Look,

812
00:46:10,375 --> 00:46:13,815
Speaker 5: the really great thing is that weather boards. The beauty

813
00:46:13,855 --> 00:46:18,655
Speaker 5: of them is that they are replaceable and repairable and

814
00:46:18,815 --> 00:46:22,735
Speaker 5: in a relatively straightforward way. So typically what I would

815
00:46:22,815 --> 00:46:26,575
Speaker 5: be doing is trying to find the stud on either

816
00:46:26,655 --> 00:46:29,935
Speaker 5: side of the rotten area. You can use a multi tool,

817
00:46:29,975 --> 00:46:33,135
Speaker 5: for example, and cut. You have an option of either

818
00:46:33,135 --> 00:46:36,415
Speaker 5: cutting in the center of the stud and then removing

819
00:46:36,455 --> 00:46:38,775
Speaker 5: the board. In that way, you've got something to fix

820
00:46:38,895 --> 00:46:42,575
Speaker 5: the board onto the replacement board onto, or you can

821
00:46:42,655 --> 00:46:44,815
Speaker 5: cut alongside the stud and if you can get in there,

822
00:46:44,935 --> 00:46:47,335
Speaker 5: fix another piece of timber to the side of the stud.

823
00:46:48,255 --> 00:46:50,375
Speaker 5: That really only works if you're talking about something that

824
00:46:50,495 --> 00:46:54,575
Speaker 5: doesn't have building paper on it. Inevitably to get the

825
00:46:54,815 --> 00:46:57,015
Speaker 5: board out, because there'll be a part of the board

826
00:46:57,015 --> 00:47:00,335
Speaker 5: that laps up underneath the board above it. You will

827
00:47:00,415 --> 00:47:02,935
Speaker 5: end up having to make a cut through that board

828
00:47:03,255 --> 00:47:06,255
Speaker 5: in some way, in which case you can either pay

829
00:47:06,335 --> 00:47:09,975
Speaker 5: actually repair that with a SOAKA. You know, if you're

830
00:47:10,015 --> 00:47:12,495
Speaker 5: thinking that you're going to be doing like an extensive

831
00:47:12,615 --> 00:47:17,935
Speaker 5: number of weather boards, that's permissible replacing let's say, an

832
00:47:18,135 --> 00:47:21,135
Speaker 5: entire elevation of your house, one side of a house

833
00:47:21,495 --> 00:47:26,535
Speaker 5: that inevitably would require a building consent. But yeah, weather boards.

834
00:47:26,535 --> 00:47:29,055
Speaker 5: One of the beauties of them is that they are

835
00:47:29,215 --> 00:47:33,495
Speaker 5: able to be repairable, and that's I suppose the challenge

836
00:47:33,575 --> 00:47:36,535
Speaker 5: let's say with other types of cladding systems, is sometimes

837
00:47:36,615 --> 00:47:40,375
Speaker 5: they're not as easily repairable. Everything's repaarable, just not always

838
00:47:40,495 --> 00:47:43,095
Speaker 5: as easily. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

839
00:47:43,135 --> 00:47:44,535
Speaker 5: number to call Brett. Good morning to you.

840
00:47:45,335 --> 00:47:48,015
Speaker 10: Yeah, good a mate. Hey, A bit of a question. Sure,

841
00:47:48,175 --> 00:47:51,135
Speaker 10: I've got a client with a building next door to them,

842
00:47:51,175 --> 00:47:55,215
Speaker 10: and I've stuck some overflows in their internal gutters. Every

843
00:47:55,215 --> 00:47:59,415
Speaker 10: time it really rains, my client's buildings getting flooded out,

844
00:47:59,495 --> 00:48:05,375
Speaker 10: then there seems to be coming out. We've spoken to

845
00:48:05,455 --> 00:48:08,015
Speaker 10: the council about it. May reckon when they're overflows, but

846
00:48:08,375 --> 00:48:11,615
Speaker 10: to me, overflows shouldn't be spilling out water with you know,

847
00:48:12,175 --> 00:48:13,255
Speaker 10: unless they really need to.

848
00:48:13,575 --> 00:48:17,495
Speaker 5: Yeah, for regular rainfall, you wouldn't expect the overflow to

849
00:48:17,615 --> 00:48:23,255
Speaker 5: be utilized, right The stormwater system or the drainage system

850
00:48:23,655 --> 00:48:26,735
Speaker 5: should be able to cope with what is regular rainfall, right,

851
00:48:26,775 --> 00:48:30,015
Speaker 5: so anywhere up to about forty millimeters per hour, which

852
00:48:30,055 --> 00:48:33,975
Speaker 5: is actually oh maybe no, that's too much, fifteen to

853
00:48:33,975 --> 00:48:38,015
Speaker 5: twenty milimeters per hour. So yeah, if you're seeing I mean,

854
00:48:38,775 --> 00:48:40,935
Speaker 5: I don't disagree with them in the sense that an

855
00:48:40,935 --> 00:48:45,055
Speaker 5: overflow is designed to allow water to escape the system

856
00:48:45,655 --> 00:48:48,695
Speaker 5: when the system is inundated, rather than sort of create

857
00:48:48,735 --> 00:48:52,655
Speaker 5: back pressure and push the water back inside the building envelope. Right,

858
00:48:52,975 --> 00:48:55,215
Speaker 5: So particularly if it's you know, this is the beauty

859
00:48:55,255 --> 00:48:58,535
Speaker 5: of external spouting, right, if it becomes overwhelmed, it just

860
00:48:58,615 --> 00:49:01,415
Speaker 5: flows over the front edge of the spouting and you

861
00:49:01,455 --> 00:49:04,375
Speaker 5: can see it. Whereas if you've got something that's inside

862
00:49:04,375 --> 00:49:06,935
Speaker 5: a parapet, and so you've got an internal you've got

863
00:49:06,935 --> 00:49:10,495
Speaker 5: a sump in there. If that gets overwhelmed and it

864
00:49:10,575 --> 00:49:14,095
Speaker 5: overflows and goes back inside the building, that's bad.

865
00:49:15,815 --> 00:49:18,015
Speaker 10: Well, this is what's happening because the building next door

866
00:49:18,095 --> 00:49:21,135
Speaker 10: is two stories and our buildings on a single story.

867
00:49:21,215 --> 00:49:23,535
Speaker 10: So all the water is coming straight down the wall

868
00:49:23,575 --> 00:49:25,855
Speaker 10: and into the our client's building.

869
00:49:26,295 --> 00:49:29,975
Speaker 5: And these are obviously commercial buildings, so they're butted together.

870
00:49:30,775 --> 00:49:31,015
Speaker 7: Yep.

871
00:49:34,335 --> 00:49:36,495
Speaker 10: Good, Like they're not allowing us access to get up

872
00:49:36,535 --> 00:49:38,895
Speaker 10: onto their roof to make sure that it's not low

873
00:49:39,015 --> 00:49:39,935
Speaker 10: enough to sort.

874
00:49:39,735 --> 00:49:49,615
Speaker 5: Of is the overflow. Like often with parapets, you might

875
00:49:49,695 --> 00:49:54,935
Speaker 5: have let's say internal drainage then a connection to the

876
00:49:54,975 --> 00:49:58,415
Speaker 5: outside and the rain heads on the outside, or you've

877
00:49:58,455 --> 00:50:03,495
Speaker 5: got internal spouting or internal gutter formed up and a sump.

878
00:50:07,175 --> 00:50:10,935
Speaker 10: There's no rain heads either, Renge, I must have something

879
00:50:11,015 --> 00:50:12,215
Speaker 10: that somewhere along the line.

880
00:50:12,655 --> 00:50:18,975
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, how do you go about, you know,

881
00:50:19,135 --> 00:50:23,135
Speaker 16: having that discussion, because well, actually know, the interesting thing is,

882
00:50:23,175 --> 00:50:25,375
Speaker 16: and this is where the Property Act comes into play.

883
00:50:26,015 --> 00:50:30,775
Speaker 5: So the Property Act is very much about ensuring that

884
00:50:31,495 --> 00:50:36,175
Speaker 5: and this is about stormwater, right that disposal of storm

885
00:50:36,175 --> 00:50:41,175
Speaker 5: water shouldn't cause a nuisance. So even though it's an overflow,

886
00:50:41,775 --> 00:50:44,215
Speaker 5: it should ultimately still be controlled.

887
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:48,295
Speaker 10: Yeah, well I've never done this before these overflows are installed.

888
00:50:48,295 --> 00:50:52,375
Speaker 10: These overflows have only been installed last year.

889
00:50:52,855 --> 00:50:55,215
Speaker 5: I maybe you do need to go to a lawyer

890
00:50:55,255 --> 00:50:57,695
Speaker 5: and just get an opinion from them. They'll they'll be

891
00:50:57,735 --> 00:51:01,095
Speaker 5: able to show that concise part of the Act and go. Actually,

892
00:51:01,255 --> 00:51:05,455
Speaker 5: even even an overflow still needs to be controlled because

893
00:51:05,855 --> 00:51:09,335
Speaker 5: effect like, if you think about a situation where maybe

894
00:51:10,015 --> 00:51:12,975
Speaker 5: a residential section, you might have a met or so

895
00:51:13,135 --> 00:51:16,055
Speaker 5: between properties right or to the boundary, so that if

896
00:51:16,135 --> 00:51:19,495
Speaker 5: water overflows and then it overflows on the ground, the

897
00:51:20,015 --> 00:51:22,975
Speaker 5: overland flow path might take it to the neighbor. But

898
00:51:23,095 --> 00:51:29,655
Speaker 5: that's but even that generally needs to be controlled. In

899
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:32,575
Speaker 5: your instance, where you've got two buildings abutting each other,

900
00:51:32,895 --> 00:51:38,015
Speaker 5: the overflow immediately falls onto your land, but its origin

901
00:51:38,335 --> 00:51:42,295
Speaker 5: is your neighbor's property. Therefore, you could make the argument, well, actually,

902
00:51:42,295 --> 00:51:44,735
Speaker 5: even though it's an overflow, you still need to control it.

903
00:51:45,015 --> 00:51:47,895
Speaker 5: So maybe they end up adding a downpipe to the

904
00:51:47,935 --> 00:51:52,095
Speaker 5: overflow that acts in such a way that if it

905
00:51:52,175 --> 00:51:56,255
Speaker 5: was blocked, it would still overflow, but generally the discharge

906
00:51:56,335 --> 00:51:59,495
Speaker 5: is controlled and directed back onto their property.

907
00:52:00,655 --> 00:52:02,735
Speaker 10: Well, we basically told them to do that, yeah, and

908
00:52:02,775 --> 00:52:06,735
Speaker 10: hook it up to the stormwater drains precisely, but because

909
00:52:06,735 --> 00:52:09,095
Speaker 10: we've done it through the council, or the council's agreed,

910
00:52:09,135 --> 00:52:11,335
Speaker 10: but we've been through the council and they have said, well,

911
00:52:11,335 --> 00:52:14,375
Speaker 10: it's an overflow, so we're going to send a drone

912
00:52:14,455 --> 00:52:17,495
Speaker 10: up there probably today. Yeah, how high is off the

913
00:52:17,495 --> 00:52:19,895
Speaker 10: bottom of the gun and it's basically an outlet?

914
00:52:19,975 --> 00:52:23,575
Speaker 5: Well you know, yes, that's right, Yeah, that's right. What

915
00:52:23,615 --> 00:52:25,415
Speaker 5: you don't want is that what they've done is they've

916
00:52:25,655 --> 00:52:28,575
Speaker 5: they've not bothered to do an outlet properly, and they're

917
00:52:28,655 --> 00:52:31,615
Speaker 5: calling it an overflow, but in fact it's just the outlet.

918
00:52:31,935 --> 00:52:35,375
Speaker 10: Just an outlet, yeah, covered here asis, So it's not getting.

919
00:52:35,095 --> 00:52:39,855
Speaker 5: Wet, absolutely, I tell you that, just because I find

920
00:52:39,855 --> 00:52:41,895
Speaker 5: this especially now that we're you know, in terms of

921
00:52:41,895 --> 00:52:44,815
Speaker 5: storm water, we're under real pressure, right, pardon the punt,

922
00:52:44,815 --> 00:52:47,735
Speaker 5: in terms of controlling it, and in terms of trying

923
00:52:47,735 --> 00:52:49,975
Speaker 5: to build in such a way that we allow for

924
00:52:50,015 --> 00:52:54,575
Speaker 5: these extreme weather events which are seemingly more and more common.

925
00:52:55,415 --> 00:52:58,415
Speaker 5: I was at a building the other day, large commercial building,

926
00:52:58,815 --> 00:53:01,895
Speaker 5: retail actually, and you know, big one hundred and fifty

927
00:53:01,855 --> 00:53:04,535
Speaker 5: milllion down pipe came down off the roof one of

928
00:53:04,575 --> 00:53:09,655
Speaker 5: several interesting just before it entered or hit the ground

929
00:53:09,775 --> 00:53:12,815
Speaker 5: right and entered their sort of in ground stormwater system,

930
00:53:13,455 --> 00:53:18,095
Speaker 5: they had obviously cut the pipe and inserted effectively an

931
00:53:18,215 --> 00:53:22,015
Speaker 5: upside down y junction or a y and an elbow.

932
00:53:23,055 --> 00:53:26,055
Speaker 5: So you imagine a situation where the pipes in the

933
00:53:26,095 --> 00:53:30,015
Speaker 5: ground are at capacity, and typically what you'll see then

934
00:53:30,255 --> 00:53:33,655
Speaker 5: is the pipes in the ground are at capacity, overwhelmed,

935
00:53:33,735 --> 00:53:37,535
Speaker 5: and the water will back up through the downpipe, and

936
00:53:37,575 --> 00:53:40,095
Speaker 5: then the water that's coming into the downpipe at the

937
00:53:40,135 --> 00:53:43,215
Speaker 5: top has got nowhere to go, so it overflows the spouting,

938
00:53:43,335 --> 00:53:45,775
Speaker 5: or it overwhelms the spouting goes back inside the building.

939
00:53:46,375 --> 00:53:49,215
Speaker 5: So what this system allowed for is that in most

940
00:53:49,415 --> 00:53:52,535
Speaker 5: weather events, the water will just go down the downpipe

941
00:53:52,575 --> 00:53:54,855
Speaker 5: and into the storm water. But in the event that

942
00:53:54,935 --> 00:53:57,735
Speaker 5: the stormwater in the ground is overwhelmed and it starts

943
00:53:57,775 --> 00:54:00,375
Speaker 5: to fill up the pipe, it'll simply spill out the

944
00:54:00,455 --> 00:54:03,695
Speaker 5: side and onto the ground. It was a really nifty

945
00:54:03,735 --> 00:54:05,895
Speaker 5: sort of thing. And I looked at that and thought, gee,

946
00:54:05,935 --> 00:54:09,215
Speaker 5: that's some smart thinking. And I haven't seen it everywhere,

947
00:54:09,215 --> 00:54:12,775
Speaker 5: but I just thought, gosh, that's quite clever. Quite like that.

948
00:54:12,975 --> 00:54:14,855
Speaker 10: Yeah, because I have that problem with you, because I

949
00:54:14,855 --> 00:54:16,815
Speaker 10: do a lot of maintenance on commercial buildings and here

950
00:54:16,855 --> 00:54:18,935
Speaker 10: we have that sort of quite a few times. Was

951
00:54:19,295 --> 00:54:22,375
Speaker 10: where we are like all our landers built on bloody seed,

952
00:54:22,615 --> 00:54:22,895
Speaker 10: you know.

953
00:54:23,175 --> 00:54:27,055
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure land, And it's one of those ones where

954
00:54:27,415 --> 00:54:30,135
Speaker 5: you know, in ninety nine percent of the time you

955
00:54:30,175 --> 00:54:34,295
Speaker 5: would never need that facility, but being really practical, you'd go,

956
00:54:34,415 --> 00:54:37,055
Speaker 5: we all know that sometimes in heavy rain, the actual

957
00:54:37,095 --> 00:54:41,495
Speaker 5: council the infrastructure is overwhelmed, right, So rather than backing

958
00:54:41,615 --> 00:54:43,895
Speaker 5: up all the way up the downs pipe and spilling

959
00:54:43,895 --> 00:54:46,215
Speaker 5: out the top, it just allows it to flood onto

960
00:54:46,215 --> 00:54:46,615
Speaker 5: the ground.

961
00:54:46,735 --> 00:54:48,175
Speaker 17: Not not a.

962
00:54:48,495 --> 00:54:51,535
Speaker 5: Perfect solution, but better than having your downpipes overwhelmed and

963
00:54:51,615 --> 00:54:53,535
Speaker 5: water getting back inside the building. Yeah.

964
00:54:53,775 --> 00:54:55,895
Speaker 10: Well cheaper too, really, Yeah.

965
00:54:55,655 --> 00:54:56,575
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's right.

966
00:54:56,775 --> 00:54:59,735
Speaker 14: That's right above a box.

967
00:54:59,575 --> 00:55:03,255
Speaker 5: Or something like that. Absolutely, mate, good luck with that,

968
00:55:03,375 --> 00:55:06,655
Speaker 5: Good luck with the drone today, jeers, all of this,

969
00:55:07,135 --> 00:55:09,815
Speaker 5: all of this, it is a challenge, isn't it. Oh

970
00:55:09,855 --> 00:55:12,495
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call Patty.

971
00:55:12,735 --> 00:55:13,615
Speaker 5: You've got some thoughts.

972
00:55:14,935 --> 00:55:21,375
Speaker 13: Oh my words, yes, oh my launch into it.

973
00:55:22,575 --> 00:55:24,655
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I knew your brother Frank.

974
00:55:24,935 --> 00:55:27,375
Speaker 5: Okay, don't worry. He's still around, by the way.

975
00:55:27,415 --> 00:55:31,215
Speaker 13: But yeah, oh ship, yeah, well none of us are

976
00:55:31,215 --> 00:55:31,615
Speaker 13: that old.

977
00:55:36,175 --> 00:55:41,135
Speaker 4: Track him down. They he was a good Russia good yeah,

978
00:55:41,175 --> 00:55:48,015
Speaker 4: and yeah, I've been through the metal, the councils and

979
00:55:48,055 --> 00:55:50,335
Speaker 4: all that sort of stuff. I won't go on about it,

980
00:55:50,415 --> 00:55:56,215
Speaker 4: but the subde at the moment, I'm sixty six, I'm

981
00:55:56,375 --> 00:56:00,935
Speaker 4: halfway to one hundred and thirty two. Yep, So I

982
00:56:01,135 --> 00:56:08,215
Speaker 4: want to used to sorry, get into the concrete ten yes,

983
00:56:09,335 --> 00:56:17,215
Speaker 4: and can you give me a reasonable explanation you're understanding

984
00:56:18,015 --> 00:56:23,855
Speaker 4: why the price is massively high on buying it from

985
00:56:24,135 --> 00:56:27,535
Speaker 4: the actual I was going to say, breweries.

986
00:56:29,735 --> 00:56:34,895
Speaker 5: I like have rates to be fair, I haven't bought

987
00:56:34,935 --> 00:56:37,335
Speaker 5: a truckload of concrete or a couple of cube for

988
00:56:37,335 --> 00:56:43,095
Speaker 5: a little while, but rates were typically somewhere around two

989
00:56:43,215 --> 00:56:45,255
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty three hundred bucks a cube. Have they

990
00:56:45,415 --> 00:56:46,895
Speaker 5: rushed rocked up from there?

991
00:56:47,855 --> 00:56:48,095
Speaker 7: Yeah?

992
00:56:49,015 --> 00:56:52,295
Speaker 5: So what would you be paying for, say twenty MPa

993
00:56:56,375 --> 00:57:02,415
Speaker 5: or seventeen standard concrete twenty milchip seventeen point five MPa.

994
00:57:04,135 --> 00:57:08,375
Speaker 4: Slightly more than that, but I guess it depends where

995
00:57:08,415 --> 00:57:08,735
Speaker 4: you are.

996
00:57:09,495 --> 00:57:11,895
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, scarcity will have an issue.

997
00:57:13,695 --> 00:57:15,695
Speaker 4: Scarcity well in.

998
00:57:15,695 --> 00:57:17,655
Speaker 5: Terms of, you know, if it's remote, or if the

999
00:57:17,655 --> 00:57:20,935
Speaker 5: truck's got to travel a long way, those sorts of things.

1000
00:57:21,775 --> 00:57:23,655
Speaker 5: Surely that will have a bit of an impact.

1001
00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:29,335
Speaker 4: You know, that's dame right, they say in the States.

1002
00:57:29,575 --> 00:57:35,895
Speaker 4: But the you know, is the price of the calcium

1003
00:57:36,135 --> 00:57:39,775
Speaker 4: that are adding to the concrete.

1004
00:57:40,935 --> 00:57:43,255
Speaker 5: I'm just thinking most of the elements you need to

1005
00:57:43,375 --> 00:57:47,015
Speaker 5: make concrete are actually local, aren't they. So aggregate sand

1006
00:57:47,255 --> 00:57:52,615
Speaker 5: and we make cement in New Zealand as well, So

1007
00:57:52,935 --> 00:57:55,415
Speaker 5: there's not a lot. There's not a huge impact on

1008
00:57:55,815 --> 00:58:00,215
Speaker 5: the importation of goods. Bearing in mind that I think

1009
00:58:00,255 --> 00:58:03,375
Speaker 5: it's north of ninety percent of New Zealand building products

1010
00:58:03,415 --> 00:58:06,335
Speaker 5: have an element that is from overseas, whether it's the

1011
00:58:06,495 --> 00:58:10,735
Speaker 5: entire element or a component of an element that we

1012
00:58:10,735 --> 00:58:14,335
Speaker 5: were Plasterboard for example, we import gypsum, right, plenty of

1013
00:58:14,375 --> 00:58:18,895
Speaker 5: paper here, plenty of water, but we import the gypsum cement.

1014
00:58:19,135 --> 00:58:22,455
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure we manufacture here. I look into that,

1015
00:58:23,495 --> 00:58:25,015
Speaker 5: but yeah, we do.

1016
00:58:25,295 --> 00:58:27,055
Speaker 4: And it used to be in Golden Bay.

1017
00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:31,975
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what's.

1018
00:58:33,455 --> 00:58:42,335
Speaker 4: Yeah this The question is how come the concrete companies

1019
00:58:44,215 --> 00:58:52,095
Speaker 4: can charge that much more than what they used to?

1020
00:58:52,455 --> 00:58:54,135
Speaker 4: Is there any look?

1021
00:58:54,175 --> 00:58:57,575
Speaker 5: I think a lot of rates have have got The

1022
00:58:57,615 --> 00:59:01,215
Speaker 5: hard thing is rates often for materials. In some cases

1023
00:59:01,255 --> 00:59:05,175
Speaker 5: services are quick to rise. So rates went up, you know,

1024
00:59:05,495 --> 00:59:09,375
Speaker 5: post COVID when things were booming, and sometimes they're a

1025
00:59:09,375 --> 00:59:11,815
Speaker 5: little bit slow to come back down. Other things have

1026
00:59:11,855 --> 00:59:15,935
Speaker 5: moved around. I remember having a conversation with Endy from

1027
00:59:16,055 --> 00:59:20,975
Speaker 5: construction costs consultants. So they measure their quantity surveys. They

1028
00:59:21,135 --> 00:59:26,135
Speaker 5: measure building costs all the time. So pre COVID square

1029
00:59:26,175 --> 00:59:29,415
Speaker 5: meter rate on blockwork, for example, was about four hundred

1030
00:59:29,455 --> 00:59:33,695
Speaker 5: and forty bucks a square meter. Post COVID, it rocked

1031
00:59:33,775 --> 00:59:36,375
Speaker 5: up to about eight hundred and then by now we've

1032
00:59:36,375 --> 00:59:39,535
Speaker 5: seen it drop back down to around the same rate,

1033
00:59:39,615 --> 00:59:42,215
Speaker 5: so it's almost gone back to normal, let's say in

1034
00:59:42,215 --> 00:59:45,855
Speaker 5: inverted commas. But whether or not you know, prices for

1035
00:59:45,975 --> 00:59:49,255
Speaker 5: materials have come back. I think they have in general,

1036
00:59:50,935 --> 00:59:53,735
Speaker 5: and also I think with concrete it depends a little

1037
00:59:53,735 --> 00:59:56,495
Speaker 5: bit on the quantity that you're purchasing and how often

1038
00:59:56,535 --> 00:59:59,615
Speaker 5: you're purchasing. You know, if you're ordering a truck every day,

1039
01:00:00,015 --> 01:00:02,535
Speaker 5: your rate's going to be better than if you, you know,

1040
01:00:03,015 --> 01:00:05,335
Speaker 5: randomly ring up once a year and go, oh, they

1041
01:00:05,375 --> 01:00:07,575
Speaker 5: need a truck a concrete. So I don't have a

1042
01:00:07,615 --> 01:00:10,815
Speaker 5: magical answer to all of that, petty, but I'll pass

1043
01:00:10,855 --> 01:00:13,415
Speaker 5: on your regards to my brother. I appreciate that. Oh,

1044
01:00:13,455 --> 01:00:15,655
Speaker 5: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call Graham.

1045
01:00:15,655 --> 01:00:16,455
Speaker 5: Good morning to you.

1046
01:00:18,655 --> 01:00:20,015
Speaker 7: Oh, yes, Graham.

1047
01:00:20,055 --> 01:00:25,175
Speaker 17: Here, I've got a report of property. It's got an

1048
01:00:25,215 --> 01:00:29,695
Speaker 17: old Acadian nineteen eighty one brick house on it. Now

1049
01:00:29,695 --> 01:00:32,775
Speaker 17: we've had a couple of leaks in this in the

1050
01:00:32,895 --> 01:00:35,495
Speaker 17: roof sine, and it's got the de gramatic tiles on it.

1051
01:00:35,935 --> 01:00:36,175
Speaker 7: Yep.

1052
01:00:37,175 --> 01:00:41,415
Speaker 17: The plumber recons it's probably be mess to get rid

1053
01:00:41,455 --> 01:00:48,095
Speaker 17: of the tiles and just rebruf it. Yep. So there's

1054
01:00:48,135 --> 01:00:50,295
Speaker 17: a few issues of that, because if we don't put

1055
01:00:50,335 --> 01:00:52,255
Speaker 17: tiles back on, then apparent we have to do a

1056
01:00:52,255 --> 01:00:54,815
Speaker 17: bit of building work to get long run.

1057
01:00:54,655 --> 01:00:56,295
Speaker 7: Or corrogated iron on.

1058
01:00:56,535 --> 01:01:02,055
Speaker 17: Yes, yeah, so I'm thinking, funny, that's got good long givity,

1059
01:01:02,135 --> 01:01:03,015
Speaker 17: low maintenance.

1060
01:01:04,935 --> 01:01:05,575
Speaker 7: Where do you go?

1061
01:01:07,415 --> 01:01:09,935
Speaker 5: I think Unfortunately, one of the issues with like the

1062
01:01:10,055 --> 01:01:13,855
Speaker 5: press metal tile, whether it's dechromastic or another brand, is

1063
01:01:14,655 --> 01:01:19,415
Speaker 5: I reckon. Most of the cause for leaks is people

1064
01:01:19,935 --> 01:01:22,215
Speaker 5: walking around on the roof who don't know what they're doing,

1065
01:01:23,535 --> 01:01:26,695
Speaker 5: and so you know they're in and of themselves. They're

1066
01:01:26,695 --> 01:01:30,335
Speaker 5: actually a pretty durable roof. But all of the damage

1067
01:01:30,375 --> 01:01:32,975
Speaker 5: that I've ever seen, and almost all of the leaks

1068
01:01:32,975 --> 01:01:35,695
Speaker 5: that I've ever seen, have come from people who I

1069
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Speaker 5: don't know, maybe go out to put the sky area on,

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01:01:38,855 --> 01:01:42,455
Speaker 5: not blaming sky, or need to do some maintenance, or

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01:01:42,615 --> 01:01:45,295
Speaker 5: you know two story house you walk around up there

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01:01:45,335 --> 01:01:46,655
Speaker 5: to do the painting.

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Speaker 17: Yes, it's also got the internal guvering.

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Speaker 5: Ah as an concealed spouting behind concealed spouting behind metal facia. Correct, right, okay, um,

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01:02:02,335 --> 01:02:05,695
Speaker 5: and they're not great, right, that's not great. I'll tell

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01:02:05,735 --> 01:02:08,775
Speaker 5: you what now, knowing that, knowing that you've got the

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01:02:08,815 --> 01:02:12,135
Speaker 5: old might be class facier, it might be another version,

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01:02:12,175 --> 01:02:16,335
Speaker 5: but that concealed spouting behind a metal facier, I think

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Speaker 5: I would be inclined to if you can bite the

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01:02:19,015 --> 01:02:24,095
Speaker 5: bullet and sort out both problems at once, right, So yes,

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01:02:24,135 --> 01:02:26,935
Speaker 5: you're right. If you take off the old press metal tile,

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01:02:27,535 --> 01:02:29,975
Speaker 5: they typically are laid down on a baton, which is

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01:02:30,055 --> 01:02:34,775
Speaker 5: like a basically a tuber one batten. Right, And so

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Speaker 5: you really shouldn't fix roofing iron to that. You need perlins.

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Speaker 5: The perlins need to be at about nine hundred centers

1086
01:02:40,855 --> 01:02:43,895
Speaker 5: eight nine hundred centers and the peerlins will be seventy

1087
01:02:43,895 --> 01:02:48,295
Speaker 5: five x fifty. So what happens then is your roof

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01:02:48,295 --> 01:02:51,935
Speaker 5: gets higher, and sometimes you can end up with the

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01:02:52,015 --> 01:02:55,175
Speaker 5: roof being if you're going to go long run, and

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Speaker 5: that's probably where I would head. You end up with

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Speaker 5: that being higher than you're spouting, particularly if you've got

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01:03:00,335 --> 01:03:04,215
Speaker 5: the concealed spouting. But the concealed spouting is a problem,

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01:03:04,295 --> 01:03:06,215
Speaker 5: so I would rip that off at the same time,

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01:03:07,135 --> 01:03:13,135
Speaker 5: do the reroof do new external facia with or faciit

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01:03:13,215 --> 01:03:17,855
Speaker 5: with an external gutter running around it. I went and

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01:03:17,855 --> 01:03:20,975
Speaker 5: had a look at a job the other day which

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01:03:21,095 --> 01:03:26,135
Speaker 5: was concrete tile roof with that internal spouting. I went

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Speaker 5: to Custom Spouting and Facia. They did a sort of

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01:03:29,375 --> 01:03:33,415
Speaker 5: off the plan estimate they've got a clip system which

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01:03:33,495 --> 01:03:37,215
Speaker 5: essentially removes the old one, installs a new metal facia

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01:03:37,415 --> 01:03:40,375
Speaker 5: and exterior spouting, and it was it was actually pretty

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Speaker 5: reasonable to swap that over. But you know, all up,

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Speaker 5: you're probably talking about I don't know, twenty five thousand dollars,

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01:03:51,535 --> 01:03:52,935
Speaker 5: thirty thousand dollars exercise.

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Speaker 17: Oh, that actually sounds reasonable compared to some of the

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01:03:59,535 --> 01:04:00,295
Speaker 17: prices I've heard.

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Speaker 5: So look, you know, I don't know the size of it.

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01:04:03,095 --> 01:04:04,175
Speaker 5: I don't know whether you need.

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Speaker 4: It each protection terms of square meters.

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Speaker 5: Okay, then it's going to be way more than that, unfortunately.

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01:04:09,615 --> 01:04:13,695
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but look, it will provide you with an

1112
01:04:13,735 --> 01:04:16,535
Speaker 5: opportunity to For example, if it's a nineteen ninety one house,

1113
01:04:16,575 --> 01:04:18,895
Speaker 5: there won't be a lot of insulation, or the insulation

1114
01:04:18,935 --> 01:04:21,575
Speaker 5: that was installed in it will probably have sagged, so

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01:04:21,935 --> 01:04:24,575
Speaker 5: perfect opportunity. If you're stripping the roof off, you could

1116
01:04:24,655 --> 01:04:25,815
Speaker 5: upgrade the insulation.

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Speaker 17: Well, start it all started, because we've got a it's

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Speaker 17: actually nineteen eighty one, and it's got a white textured

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Speaker 17: ceiling which has got a spesto. The job started.

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Speaker 7: We've had to get.

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Speaker 17: The best us removed, yes, and then the guys come

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Speaker 17: and look at this beestus is going by the way,

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Speaker 17: do you know your ceilings sagging? Yep, and I got

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01:04:52,455 --> 01:04:55,495
Speaker 17: water leaks and then the job sort of got bigger

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01:04:55,535 --> 01:04:55,975
Speaker 17: and bigger.

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01:04:56,295 --> 01:05:01,575
Speaker 5: Yeah, and to be fair, I work Safe issued a notice.

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01:05:01,615 --> 01:05:03,975
Speaker 5: Actually it's going back about four or five years now

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01:05:04,015 --> 01:05:09,535
Speaker 5: even longer, actually a around the need to have that

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01:05:09,655 --> 01:05:14,415
Speaker 5: type of roofing tile assessed for whether or not it

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01:05:14,455 --> 01:05:20,855
Speaker 5: contains asbestos as well. And unfortunately, well fortunately in terms

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01:05:20,855 --> 01:05:24,175
Speaker 5: of health and safety, unfortunately in terms of dollars, if

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01:05:24,215 --> 01:05:28,335
Speaker 5: for example, that roofing has got asbestos, then your removal

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01:05:28,415 --> 01:05:31,975
Speaker 5: costs go from maybe a grand or two to possibly

1134
01:05:32,015 --> 01:05:35,575
Speaker 5: as much as fifteen to sixteen thousand dollars based on

1135
01:05:35,735 --> 01:05:38,455
Speaker 5: a job that I was aware of recently. So you know,

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01:05:39,375 --> 01:05:45,375
Speaker 5: the costs could continue to extend and balloon out. You

1137
01:05:45,495 --> 01:05:47,895
Speaker 5: really do need to get that roofing tested if you're

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01:05:47,935 --> 01:05:48,775
Speaker 5: going to remove it.

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01:05:49,895 --> 01:05:50,055
Speaker 7: Yep.

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Speaker 17: Okay, And really, as fad longevity goes, we're probably looking

1141
01:05:53,735 --> 01:05:56,815
Speaker 17: at say like a long round with an external like

1142
01:05:56,935 --> 01:06:00,575
Speaker 17: a custom said custom spouting or yeah, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean that's a firm that I know has they've developed

1144
01:06:04,455 --> 01:06:07,575
Speaker 5: because this is such a common problem, they have developed

1145
01:06:07,575 --> 01:06:10,215
Speaker 5: a system that allows them to come in remove the

1146
01:06:10,255 --> 01:06:13,415
Speaker 5: existing one and replace it. And so if you worked,

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01:06:13,855 --> 01:06:16,135
Speaker 5: if they worked in with RUFA, they'll come up with

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Speaker 5: a really good solution for you. Awesome, all the very best,

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01:06:20,695 --> 01:06:23,215
Speaker 5: But it sounds like it's a little bit of a

1150
01:06:23,215 --> 01:06:28,735
Speaker 5: bigger job than you might have expected. It happens break yeah,

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01:06:28,775 --> 01:06:31,775
Speaker 5: absolutely good on you. All the very best. Thanks grem

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01:06:31,935 --> 01:06:34,015
Speaker 5: take care your news. Talk z'd b if you'd like

1153
01:06:34,055 --> 01:06:35,895
Speaker 5: to join us. We've got time for your calls. Oh

1154
01:06:35,935 --> 01:06:38,535
Speaker 5: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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01:06:38,775 --> 01:06:42,055
Speaker 5: Interesting one just on the previous Our first caller in

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Speaker 5: the hour, Bret talking about this situation where commercial buildings

1157
01:06:45,655 --> 01:06:49,895
Speaker 5: are budding each other overflows causing damage to the adjoining property.

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01:06:50,735 --> 01:06:53,415
Speaker 5: Someone has said, look, it's a case of trespass of water.

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Speaker 5: He needs legal advice. I'm not sure if trespassing water

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01:06:56,295 --> 01:06:59,215
Speaker 5: is a thing, but I get the point. I think

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01:06:59,255 --> 01:07:02,535
Speaker 5: there is an obligation on a property owner to control

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Speaker 5: stormwater on their property. You can't allow it to become

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01:07:05,735 --> 01:07:09,815
Speaker 5: a nuisance for somebody else in the built environment. This

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01:07:09,935 --> 01:07:12,495
Speaker 5: is the difference, because I remember having this discussion around

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01:07:12,615 --> 01:07:14,975
Speaker 5: farms for example. You know, if you're a farmer at

1166
01:07:15,015 --> 01:07:17,295
Speaker 5: the bottom of the hill and your neighbors at the

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01:07:17,295 --> 01:07:20,015
Speaker 5: top of the hill and you cop their water. Nothing

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01:07:20,015 --> 01:07:23,135
Speaker 5: you can do about that, right, it's natural environment. In

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01:07:23,175 --> 01:07:28,655
Speaker 5: a residential situation, an urban environment, that's where you can say, hey,

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01:07:28,815 --> 01:07:31,655
Speaker 5: you need to control your stormwater. I don't expect to

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01:07:31,655 --> 01:07:34,455
Speaker 5: cop your stormwater in the event of heavy rain. Back

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01:07:34,495 --> 01:07:34,895
Speaker 5: after the.

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01:07:34,815 --> 01:07:37,895
Speaker 1: Break doing of the house storting the guard and asked

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01:07:37,935 --> 01:07:41,295
Speaker 1: Pete for a hand the resident builder with Peter WILFCAP

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Speaker 1: call eighty us dogs Vy.

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Speaker 5: Today we're talking with Rhon Maturo from RCM Construction based

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Speaker 5: in Blenheim. Now, Rihon's going to give us a bit

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Speaker 5: of a rundown of his experience was with the jframe.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us this morning. What's the biggest surprise

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Speaker 5: for you when you started working with jayframe? Perhaps you know,

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01:08:00,295 --> 01:08:01,935
Speaker 5: compared to conventional timber framing.

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Speaker 3: Ye.

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01:08:03,095 --> 01:08:05,935
Speaker 18: I was actually quite a surprised how straight and not

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01:08:05,975 --> 01:08:09,735
Speaker 18: twist the jframe was, yep, compared to traditional framing.

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Speaker 5: And in terms of being on site like you've started

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01:08:13,455 --> 01:08:16,975
Speaker 5: using it, are you noticing difference in terms of speed, durability,

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01:08:17,055 --> 01:08:17,735
Speaker 5: ease of use?

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01:08:19,535 --> 01:08:19,975
Speaker 14: Definitely.

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Speaker 18: Jaframes definitely helped with speed, right, especially when it comes

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01:08:24,095 --> 01:08:28,575
Speaker 18: to straightening the frames and preparing for internal and external linings.

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01:08:29,695 --> 01:08:32,775
Speaker 5: Now, in terms of the jframe your workflow, have you

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01:08:32,815 --> 01:08:36,055
Speaker 5: noticed like that, given that you don't have to straighten everything,

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01:08:36,375 --> 01:08:37,615
Speaker 5: does that make you more efficient?

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01:08:38,815 --> 01:08:39,295
Speaker 17: Definitely?

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01:08:39,335 --> 01:08:43,575
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, And there's also a massive cost in savings

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Speaker 18: and labor the.

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01:08:44,655 --> 01:08:48,055
Speaker 7: Client, right, just because of the quality of the jframe.

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Speaker 5: And you know, we're all in the building trade, we're

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Speaker 5: all starting to talk about sustainability. How does that fit

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01:08:53,975 --> 01:08:55,735
Speaker 5: into your environmental approach?

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01:08:57,935 --> 01:09:02,455
Speaker 7: I touched on earlier, how how straight jframe was? Yes, twisted,

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01:09:02,975 --> 01:09:05,135
Speaker 7: so yes, you get to use a bit.

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01:09:05,015 --> 01:09:09,095
Speaker 18: More of a full lengths there's no waste, right, minimized

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01:09:09,135 --> 01:09:10,695
Speaker 18: the environmental impact.

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01:09:10,975 --> 01:09:13,615
Speaker 5: And that's really important because we've all driven past skips

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01:09:13,615 --> 01:09:15,975
Speaker 5: full of off cuts of timber and you know the

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01:09:16,095 --> 01:09:17,935
Speaker 5: twisted but so you don't have to get rid of yep,

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01:09:18,215 --> 01:09:20,975
Speaker 5: that's because they basically aren't any Hey. Now, the guys

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01:09:20,975 --> 01:09:22,215
Speaker 5: at J and L tell me that you're on a

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01:09:22,215 --> 01:09:24,575
Speaker 5: pretty big build at the moment. Where's that and how's

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01:09:24,615 --> 01:09:24,935
Speaker 5: it going?

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01:09:26,375 --> 01:09:28,015
Speaker 17: It's where mold we're here.

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01:09:28,175 --> 01:09:32,255
Speaker 18: Yes, I'm currently on a massive seven hundred square met

1214
01:09:32,375 --> 01:09:36,695
Speaker 18: architecture bood. Wow, it's we've got some great clients that

1215
01:09:36,735 --> 01:09:39,695
Speaker 18: we're working for them. We've sort of been here in

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01:09:39,735 --> 01:09:45,215
Speaker 18: now ten months and preparing for linings, which is which

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01:09:45,255 --> 01:09:49,615
Speaker 18: is a great for progress. Yes, definitely because of J frawn,

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01:09:49,895 --> 01:09:56,615
Speaker 18: Like it's sort of minimized just labor and productivity through.

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Speaker 10: The roof because of how straight the product is.

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01:09:58,455 --> 01:10:00,695
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess if you're doing really big walls

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01:10:00,735 --> 01:10:03,335
Speaker 5: and really long walls, that really counts.

1222
01:10:03,015 --> 01:10:04,175
Speaker 7: Doesn't it. Definitely?

1223
01:10:04,455 --> 01:10:04,975
Speaker 6: Definitely.

1224
01:10:05,175 --> 01:10:07,895
Speaker 5: Hey, if people want to see your work at ROSM Construction,

1225
01:10:07,975 --> 01:10:10,055
Speaker 5: what's the best way to get hold of you?

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01:10:10,335 --> 01:10:16,095
Speaker 18: Contact us on rhon Arism Construction dot brilliant.

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01:10:16,375 --> 01:10:18,615
Speaker 5: Hey, appreciate you taking the time to chat about the

1228
01:10:18,695 --> 01:10:21,135
Speaker 5: jframe and all the best for the lining coming up.

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01:10:22,895 --> 01:10:28,095
Speaker 5: Take care zby quick text as well, just before we

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01:10:28,175 --> 01:10:31,855
Speaker 5: chat with Allen morning Peek. Consent for fireplaces. I have

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01:10:31,895 --> 01:10:35,655
Speaker 5: a freestanding fluid gas burner that was installed twenty years

1232
01:10:35,655 --> 01:10:39,295
Speaker 5: ago and it replaced a wood burning fireplace, so it

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01:10:39,415 --> 01:10:41,855
Speaker 5: uses the original chimney with a separate flu up the

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01:10:41,895 --> 01:10:44,495
Speaker 5: middle of the existing chimney. I want to take out

1235
01:10:44,535 --> 01:10:47,015
Speaker 5: the gas burner and put in a new wood burning

1236
01:10:47,055 --> 01:10:50,615
Speaker 5: fireplace back in and use the original chimney. Would I

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01:10:50,735 --> 01:10:55,295
Speaker 5: need to have that consented? Short answer, yes, So it's

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01:10:55,375 --> 01:11:00,735
Speaker 5: really clear. Fireplaces, whether they're wood burning or gas, always

1239
01:11:00,775 --> 01:11:04,855
Speaker 5: require a building consent, so not often you get simple answers.

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01:11:04,895 --> 01:11:09,855
Speaker 5: But that's a simple one. Fireplaces consent most definitely replacing it.

1241
01:11:10,095 --> 01:11:12,855
Speaker 5: I don't think is considered like for like, I think

1242
01:11:12,855 --> 01:11:16,535
Speaker 5: you need a building consent for that, rightio, Where are

1243
01:11:16,535 --> 01:11:19,975
Speaker 5: we at? A very good morning to actually Polly? First? Hello,

1244
01:11:20,095 --> 01:11:20,455
Speaker 5: how are you?

1245
01:11:21,775 --> 01:11:22,495
Speaker 19: I'm very well?

1246
01:11:22,535 --> 01:11:22,895
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1247
01:11:23,375 --> 01:11:23,655
Speaker 7: Good?

1248
01:11:24,855 --> 01:11:26,415
Speaker 5: Now what's going on?

1249
01:11:27,535 --> 01:11:27,735
Speaker 9: Well?

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01:11:27,735 --> 01:11:30,935
Speaker 19: My questions are if I say I'm eighteen nine, which

1251
01:11:30,975 --> 01:11:34,855
Speaker 19: means that although I'm elderly, I'm not stupid. Do you

1252
01:11:34,855 --> 01:11:35,455
Speaker 19: know what I mean?

1253
01:11:35,615 --> 01:11:37,855
Speaker 5: I know exactly what you mean. My mum's ninety two,

1254
01:11:38,015 --> 01:11:39,855
Speaker 5: and I would never make that assumption.

1255
01:11:41,815 --> 01:11:46,215
Speaker 19: But I've had some getting my place ashvelters, my friend

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01:11:46,335 --> 01:11:49,895
Speaker 19: redoing it so it's nice and smart, you know, tidy,

1257
01:11:50,055 --> 01:11:52,735
Speaker 19: so I may as well have the pleasure out of

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01:11:52,775 --> 01:11:56,015
Speaker 19: it before I die. Sure, yeah, okay, I won't go

1259
01:11:56,095 --> 01:12:02,015
Speaker 19: into all that. So I've had two huge trees which

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01:12:02,135 --> 01:12:06,095
Speaker 19: need to be taken down, Yes, one for the ashveltin too,

1261
01:12:06,135 --> 01:12:08,535
Speaker 19: for the safety of the house, very near the house.

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01:12:09,095 --> 01:12:13,135
Speaker 19: What happens if I m asked to pay under the

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01:12:13,215 --> 01:12:19,295
Speaker 19: table if some damage is done for my sewage pipes

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01:12:19,895 --> 01:12:23,255
Speaker 19: or the house or the people who are dealing with

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01:12:23,295 --> 01:12:25,335
Speaker 19: the trees, right.

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01:12:26,255 --> 01:12:32,055
Speaker 5: I would say it's going no, not in the slightest Well, yeah,

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01:12:32,135 --> 01:12:37,815
Speaker 5: I mean, look, there's obviously the whole thing around. I've

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01:12:37,815 --> 01:12:42,255
Speaker 5: always been very clear that paying a contractor in cash

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01:12:42,855 --> 01:12:51,695
Speaker 5: is actually okay. Right. However, often when those payments are made,

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01:12:51,815 --> 01:12:54,815
Speaker 5: it's because the contractor, as a business owner, is not

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01:12:54,975 --> 01:13:00,895
Speaker 5: declaring their income. Right, so it's evasion, which is a crime.

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01:13:01,855 --> 01:13:07,015
Speaker 5: So well, that's in some ways ultimately not your responsibility.

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01:13:07,055 --> 01:13:08,895
Speaker 5: But if you know that that's what's happening, I guess

1274
01:13:08,935 --> 01:13:11,215
Speaker 5: you've got a moral responsibility to go do I want

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01:13:11,255 --> 01:13:14,055
Speaker 5: to engage with that? The other thing is typically cash jobs,

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01:13:14,255 --> 01:13:18,415
Speaker 5: there's no receipt, right, there's no contract, there's no assurances

1277
01:13:18,455 --> 01:13:21,495
Speaker 5: and so on. So if there was a problem, how

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01:13:21,535 --> 01:13:25,015
Speaker 5: would you then go about getting redressed from the contractor

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Speaker 5: for the work? Chances are they're not going to be

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Speaker 5: insured and they're not going to tell you who they're

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Speaker 5: insurer is, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I guess,

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Speaker 5: you know, the benefit of working with a legitimate contractor

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Speaker 5: who presents themselves, can show you their insurance certificate, gives

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Speaker 5: you a receipt for the work. Has got a company

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Speaker 5: that is not going to go under in two days time.

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Speaker 5: There's some upside to that, isn't there?

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Speaker 19: Yes, so I shake the risk.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it would all be.

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Speaker 19: Yes, right, all my family are away right responsibility, which

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Speaker 19: I'm used to doing, I've done. Okay, well, thank you

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Speaker 19: for that. You've just you know, but they're nice people,

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Speaker 19: you see, and I hope I'm real that's my neck name.

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Speaker 19: So it's people won't be able to.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those things.

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Speaker 4: I guess like that.

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Speaker 5: It all it's all good until it's not. And then

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Speaker 5: when it's not good, where do you go to after that?

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Speaker 5: And maybe the job will go swimmingly and there won't

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Speaker 5: be an issue, and the trees will come out in

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01:14:41,295 --> 01:14:44,295
Speaker 5: the ashveld will go down, it'll all be beautiful. But

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Speaker 5: if that's not the case, then it's it's going to

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Speaker 5: be really hard to get any sort of redress, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thank you for that.

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Speaker 8: Good luck telling me what I know.

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Speaker 5: Program that's very kind thank you very much all this bothery,

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01:15:04,615 --> 01:15:06,695
Speaker 5: just on the payments thing, because it's been a bit

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01:15:06,735 --> 01:15:09,535
Speaker 5: of a theme on the show today. Hey Pete, can

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01:15:09,575 --> 01:15:12,775
Speaker 5: I suggest a solution to protect good people from bad

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01:15:12,775 --> 01:15:16,255
Speaker 5: customers and likewise protect people from cowboys. Is that the

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Speaker 5: government to establish a scene similar to tenancy bonds. For example,

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Speaker 5: I need my driveway contracted good substitute there with ashfelt

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01:15:23,255 --> 01:15:26,095
Speaker 5: quote at fifteen grand, I put fifteen grand into a

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01:15:26,175 --> 01:15:29,335
Speaker 5: bond that's released to the contractor upon completion of the job.

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01:15:29,415 --> 01:15:32,495
Speaker 5: Under that scheme, there'd be a tribunal to claim against

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01:15:32,495 --> 01:15:35,535
Speaker 5: poor workmanship, etc. Just just the thought love you show

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01:15:35,575 --> 01:15:39,655
Speaker 5: from Paul. The last thing I want is another government

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Speaker 5: department and more bureaucracy. Right interestingly enough that similar schemes

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Speaker 5: do exist, And a couple of years ago I met

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01:15:46,895 --> 01:15:49,855
Speaker 5: a guy who is now running a company called I Promise,

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Speaker 5: and it's essentially an scrow service. So if I'm the

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01:15:54,335 --> 01:15:57,575
Speaker 5: client and I engage a builder, let's say to do

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01:15:57,615 --> 01:15:59,735
Speaker 5: an extension, we agree that the value of the work

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01:15:59,815 --> 01:16:04,775
Speaker 5: is two hundred thousand dollars. That sum is placed into escrow,

1324
01:16:04,855 --> 01:16:09,135
Speaker 5: placed into a trust account, and if I accept an invoice,

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01:16:09,295 --> 01:16:12,095
Speaker 5: the money is released to the contractor, so the contractor

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01:16:12,095 --> 01:16:15,615
Speaker 5: has surety that hey, the client's got the money, and

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01:16:17,135 --> 01:16:20,775
Speaker 5: because you can see it in the account, and then

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01:16:21,095 --> 01:16:25,215
Speaker 5: I have some control that I'm only paying out when

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01:16:25,415 --> 01:16:27,495
Speaker 5: I'm satisfied that the work has been done to a

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01:16:27,535 --> 01:16:31,295
Speaker 5: suitable standard. And there are a couple of different schemes

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Speaker 5: like that. So yeah, over a longer contract, there are

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Speaker 5: ways of protecting yourself. They're out there right now as well.

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Speaker 5: But look, the idea of the government becoming involved in this.

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Speaker 5: In fact, interestingly enough, and someone mentioned this, Mike from

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01:16:48,015 --> 01:16:50,575
Speaker 5: a spy property was in as a guest actually just

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01:16:50,655 --> 01:16:54,695
Speaker 5: after I was here yesterday afternoon talking and we had

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01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:58,495
Speaker 5: a brief chat talking about bonds and that sort of thing. Look,

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01:16:58,535 --> 01:17:03,215
Speaker 5: even tendency services running the bond scheme is not terribly

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01:17:03,255 --> 01:17:07,895
Speaker 5: efficient at the moment. Apparently it's going to be upgraded. Yeah,

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01:17:08,975 --> 01:17:12,495
Speaker 5: the government having more and more influence or say, I'm

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01:17:12,535 --> 01:17:14,975
Speaker 5: not a big fan, to be fair. Eleven minutes away

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Speaker 5: from eight o'clock, will take a short break. We'll talk

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01:17:17,375 --> 01:17:19,135
Speaker 5: to Allen in just a moment if you'd like to

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Speaker 5: join us. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 5: number whether.

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Speaker 1: You're painting the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering how

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01:17:25,055 --> 01:17:26,695
Speaker 1: to fix that hole in the wall. Do you have

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01:17:26,775 --> 01:17:31,135
Speaker 1: Peter wolf Cap call on ten eighty the resident builder

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Speaker 1: on News dogs B.

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Speaker 5: Just a heads up as well after eight o'clock, so

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Speaker 5: between eight and eight thirty an interview with doctor David Welch,

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01:17:39,135 --> 01:17:43,295
Speaker 5: who is the Associate Professor of Audiology at Auckland University,

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01:17:43,295 --> 01:17:46,095
Speaker 5: actually at the Faculty of Medical and Health Science. So

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01:17:46,215 --> 01:17:50,375
Speaker 5: his whole research is around audiology obviously, around hearing and

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01:17:50,455 --> 01:17:54,415
Speaker 5: hearing protection and the impact of hearing loss as well.

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01:17:55,175 --> 01:17:57,135
Speaker 5: So I sat down with him and we've had a

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01:17:57,175 --> 01:17:58,935
Speaker 5: bit of a chat and we've got that coming up

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Speaker 5: for you straight after the eight o'clock news. Allen, A

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Speaker 5: very good morning to you.

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Speaker 13: Well, okay, I'm doing all right yourself.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, it's surviving.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 8: What's I was up on me roof. I'm cleaning my

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01:18:15,335 --> 01:18:23,415
Speaker 8: house down, painting it awesome, and in the spouting I

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01:18:23,535 --> 01:18:34,335
Speaker 8: found some twenty mil screws. Twenty mil I thought, my god,

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01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:36,055
Speaker 8: how is my roof hanging on?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 5: I wonder, as were you sure that they were actual

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01:18:40,215 --> 01:18:42,695
Speaker 5: roofing screws like a Hicks head.

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Speaker 8: Yes, there are hicks head that been put in with

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01:18:46,735 --> 01:18:53,895
Speaker 8: a you know, a battery reatny drill thing, but they

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01:18:53,975 --> 01:18:56,015
Speaker 8: were done in the nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 7: I had this.

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01:18:57,695 --> 01:19:00,935
Speaker 8: Roof put on. I'm wondering, if I've been there.

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Speaker 5: For that long, possibly, what's roof in?

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Speaker 16: Do you have?

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Speaker 5: Ellen, what's your roof? Long run?

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01:19:11,015 --> 01:19:15,895
Speaker 8: It's long run nine corrugate. Yeah, they did the complainte

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01:19:16,295 --> 01:19:20,895
Speaker 8: to me about the removed timber and it was so

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Speaker 8: hard to screw into.

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Speaker 5: I wonder where whether what you've found in your archaeological

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01:19:28,655 --> 01:19:32,655
Speaker 5: survey of spouting is in fact if let's say they've

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01:19:32,695 --> 01:19:36,535
Speaker 5: hit remove peerlins and the screw has sheared off right

1384
01:19:36,575 --> 01:19:39,775
Speaker 5: as it's been wound in, and so the top part

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01:19:39,775 --> 01:19:41,975
Speaker 5: of it has broken off, and that.

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01:19:44,455 --> 01:19:47,455
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, that's the whole crew. It's got

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01:19:47,695 --> 01:19:52,575
Speaker 8: weird all the way, streight all away, and then there's

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01:19:52,615 --> 01:19:59,575
Speaker 8: a yeah, yeah that goes in.

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01:20:00,255 --> 01:20:02,815
Speaker 5: Let's hope that that's not what they've fixed your roof

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Speaker 5: down with. Because typically bottom of the t off the

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01:20:06,695 --> 01:20:08,615
Speaker 5: top of the ridge on a bit of corrugates about

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01:20:08,815 --> 01:20:12,255
Speaker 5: nineteen millimeters. So if you put a twenty milimeter screw

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Speaker 5: in there with a little neoprene washers. If it touches

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01:20:17,455 --> 01:20:19,895
Speaker 5: the timber, that'll be good. But it's certainly not holding.

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Speaker 8: Is its De're right, it's been there for since the

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01:20:23,775 --> 01:20:26,815
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety So I'm going to take a screw wither.

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01:20:27,095 --> 01:20:28,535
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say, get up there with

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01:20:28,575 --> 01:20:30,895
Speaker 5: a driver and pull a couple of screws out and

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01:20:30,895 --> 01:20:35,295
Speaker 5: see what the story is. Look, I mean for shimmers

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01:20:35,495 --> 01:20:37,815
Speaker 5: at least the last fifteen years or so, probably a

1401
01:20:37,855 --> 01:20:42,335
Speaker 5: little bit longer. Typically we have done roofing with screws, right,

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01:20:42,375 --> 01:20:46,415
Speaker 5: and there's a specific type of roofing screw. It'll have

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01:20:46,455 --> 01:20:48,135
Speaker 5: a heck's head on it. It'll have a little near

1404
01:20:48,175 --> 01:20:51,935
Speaker 5: prene washer underneath it. It'll have a counter thread close

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01:20:52,015 --> 01:20:53,975
Speaker 5: to the head. Then you'll have a little bit of

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01:20:54,015 --> 01:20:56,615
Speaker 5: a smooth shank, and then it'll have the standard thread

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01:20:56,735 --> 01:20:59,415
Speaker 5: and often a drill point so that rather than having

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01:20:59,455 --> 01:21:02,055
Speaker 5: to pre drill your sheets, you can, and it's a

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01:21:02,055 --> 01:21:04,695
Speaker 5: good idea to do it. You can actually drill through

1410
01:21:04,735 --> 01:21:06,975
Speaker 5: the sheet with the drill bit on the end of

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01:21:07,015 --> 01:21:10,655
Speaker 5: the screw, and then it'll tie itself into the peerlin

1412
01:21:11,055 --> 01:21:14,895
Speaker 5: and then the counter thread pushes the iron up hard

1413
01:21:14,935 --> 01:21:18,415
Speaker 5: against the underside of the flange of the heck's head

1414
01:21:18,535 --> 01:21:23,775
Speaker 5: right and seals against the washer and whether you depending

1415
01:21:23,815 --> 01:21:25,975
Speaker 5: on what type of perlins, what type of iron, and

1416
01:21:26,015 --> 01:21:28,055
Speaker 5: all the rest of it, you'll have different links screws.

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01:21:28,095 --> 01:21:30,815
Speaker 5: But that's the standard process.

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01:21:31,095 --> 01:21:37,255
Speaker 8: Ah okay, yeah, roofing screws. Yeah, it's just ordinary color steel.

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01:21:37,415 --> 01:21:37,655
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:21:37,815 --> 01:21:41,855
Speaker 5: Yeah. So if it's color steel, it's a standard profile.

1421
01:21:42,335 --> 01:21:45,295
Speaker 5: It'll be maybe a sixty five mil screw, for example,

1422
01:21:46,015 --> 01:21:48,295
Speaker 5: but it's certainly not going to be a twenty mil screw.

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01:21:49,455 --> 01:21:50,015
Speaker 10: Good grief.

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01:21:51,455 --> 01:21:53,855
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can understand being a little bit distressed also,

1425
01:21:54,335 --> 01:21:56,375
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, look, good trades people. You shouldn't

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01:21:56,415 --> 01:21:59,175
Speaker 5: leave all your stuff in the spouting. Clean down the roof,

1427
01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:01,735
Speaker 5: get rid of all the swarth. Make sure you don't

1428
01:22:01,775 --> 01:22:05,095
Speaker 5: just sweep it into the spouting too. That's not a

1429
01:22:05,135 --> 01:22:08,495
Speaker 5: great sign. Good with that, and please be safe when

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01:22:08,535 --> 01:22:11,055
Speaker 5: you're up on the roof. Righty oh, we've got new

1431
01:22:11,095 --> 01:22:14,895
Speaker 5: sport and weather. Our interview with doctor David Welch after

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01:22:15,055 --> 01:22:17,735
Speaker 5: the eight o'clock break as red climb pass at eight thirty.

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01:22:19,015 --> 01:22:22,615
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor Get the right advice from

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01:22:22,695 --> 01:22:26,095
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfgaev, the resident builder on Newstalk semb.

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01:22:27,375 --> 01:22:30,415
Speaker 5: Looking forward to my conversation with doctor David Welch in

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01:22:30,535 --> 01:22:34,895
Speaker 5: just a moment. He is Associate professor of Audiology at

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01:22:34,935 --> 01:22:37,975
Speaker 5: Auckland University, and I wanted to reach out and talk

1438
01:22:37,975 --> 01:22:43,055
Speaker 5: about essentially hearing protection, hearing loss and more. I wanted

1439
01:22:43,095 --> 01:22:46,255
Speaker 5: to raise a couple of questions around people perhaps using

1440
01:22:46,295 --> 01:22:49,295
Speaker 5: like the noise canceling earbuds and that for hearing protection,

1441
01:22:49,335 --> 01:22:51,535
Speaker 5: which I had some questions about. So it's a bit

1442
01:22:51,535 --> 01:22:53,455
Speaker 5: of a deep dive into hearing. It's a bit of

1443
01:22:53,455 --> 01:22:57,895
Speaker 5: a personal thing for me. I think that it's trying

1444
01:22:57,895 --> 01:22:59,935
Speaker 5: to get young guys on site to be blunt, to

1445
01:23:00,135 --> 01:23:02,775
Speaker 5: put their bloody EMUs on. It seems to be really,

1446
01:23:02,815 --> 01:23:05,655
Speaker 5: really hard. But I think you might just have had

1447
01:23:06,455 --> 01:23:08,295
Speaker 5: bit of an epiphany there if you're listening to this

1448
01:23:08,335 --> 01:23:11,175
Speaker 5: in the next little while, some good information about that

1449
01:23:11,375 --> 01:23:14,495
Speaker 5: about hearing loss. We've got a root climb passed at

1450
01:23:14,495 --> 01:23:16,935
Speaker 5: eight thirty as well. A couple of people have texted

1451
01:23:16,935 --> 01:23:20,575
Speaker 5: and just regard to Allen's comments before the news about

1452
01:23:20,615 --> 01:23:24,855
Speaker 5: finding his little twenty mil screws in the spouting, so

1453
01:23:25,975 --> 01:23:28,855
Speaker 5: they might be flashing or gutta strap screws. Let's hope so,

1454
01:23:30,175 --> 01:23:32,375
Speaker 5: and someone else has just said, hey, look, lazy rufer

1455
01:23:32,455 --> 01:23:34,895
Speaker 5: probably just dumped a couple of short screws and when

1456
01:23:34,895 --> 01:23:36,815
Speaker 5: they fell out of his belt while he was up

1457
01:23:36,855 --> 01:23:39,535
Speaker 5: on the roof. Maybe, but I suspect that they are

1458
01:23:39,575 --> 01:23:45,095
Speaker 5: flashing screws. Let's hope that's the simple answer. And then gosh,

1459
01:23:45,095 --> 01:23:47,895
Speaker 5: this could be a whole topic for another day. I'm

1460
01:23:47,935 --> 01:23:50,455
Speaker 5: planning to do a wall reshuffle in my house, including

1461
01:23:50,455 --> 01:23:53,135
Speaker 5: a new kitchen and bathroom. Do you have any tips

1462
01:23:53,175 --> 01:23:57,775
Speaker 5: or advice on keeping it on the cheaper side? I

1463
01:23:57,775 --> 01:24:00,295
Speaker 5: could invite comment on that. We should say I'll keep

1464
01:24:00,295 --> 01:24:02,215
Speaker 5: that one for next week. I think that'll be a

1465
01:24:02,255 --> 01:24:05,455
Speaker 5: purla of a discussion for next week. How you know,

1466
01:24:05,935 --> 01:24:08,695
Speaker 5: if you're tradesperson and you hear a client go, how

1467
01:24:08,695 --> 01:24:11,855
Speaker 5: can we do it cheaper? It's maybe a sign that

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01:24:11,895 --> 01:24:15,255
Speaker 5: you go, is this the job for me? Actually? Great

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01:24:15,255 --> 01:24:19,935
Speaker 5: discussions about deposits and payments today on the show as well.

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01:24:20,215 --> 01:24:22,095
Speaker 5: Maybe well we can make that a bit of a

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01:24:22,135 --> 01:24:24,815
Speaker 5: topic in a couple of weeks time as well. Right, oh,

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Speaker 5: it is coming up nine minutes after eight here at

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Speaker 5: news Talk said beat back after.

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Speaker 1: The break, helping you get those DIY projects done right.

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01:24:33,055 --> 01:24:37,095
Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcat Call OH eight eight

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01:24:37,295 --> 01:24:38,335
Speaker 1: Youth Talk ZEDB.

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Speaker 5: Is Professor David Welch from the Auckland University, who is

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01:24:44,295 --> 01:24:48,535
Speaker 5: a specialist in hearing and audiology, and it's been a

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01:24:48,735 --> 01:24:50,575
Speaker 5: big concern of mine for a number of years that

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01:24:50,935 --> 01:24:56,135
Speaker 5: perhaps we don't take hearing protection as serious as we should.

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01:24:56,175 --> 01:24:58,415
Speaker 5: So it's my great pleasure to have a chance to

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01:24:58,495 --> 01:25:01,255
Speaker 5: chat with you this morning. David, thank you for joining us.

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01:25:01,695 --> 01:25:03,895
Speaker 5: Before we begin, can you just give us a bit

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01:25:03,895 --> 01:25:06,375
Speaker 5: of a background as to your work and what you're

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01:25:06,375 --> 01:25:07,575
Speaker 5: involved with at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Hi, Pete, thanks for having me on.

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01:25:09,975 --> 01:25:13,455
Speaker 20: It's really good to talk about this kind of stuff

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01:25:13,455 --> 01:25:15,575
Speaker 20: and I'm glad to hear you've been thinking about it.

1489
01:25:15,655 --> 01:25:15,895
Speaker 5: Sure.

1490
01:25:16,895 --> 01:25:20,975
Speaker 20: So I'm a scientist, I suppose I work in the

1491
01:25:21,015 --> 01:25:26,055
Speaker 20: audiology department at the University of Auckland and my interests

1492
01:25:26,055 --> 01:25:28,855
Speaker 20: are in noise very broadly. So I do work on

1493
01:25:29,335 --> 01:25:31,135
Speaker 20: the kind of noise that you're talking about, the kind

1494
01:25:31,135 --> 01:25:34,415
Speaker 20: of damages people's hearing and how we can protect ourselves

1495
01:25:34,455 --> 01:25:37,615
Speaker 20: and that kind of thing, but I'm also interested in

1496
01:25:37,935 --> 01:25:42,255
Speaker 20: the effects of noise on our health more broadly, so

1497
01:25:42,295 --> 01:25:45,615
Speaker 20: the stress effects of noise that does things that stopping

1498
01:25:45,615 --> 01:25:51,855
Speaker 20: people sleeping, and just the noise around us at all

1499
01:25:51,975 --> 01:25:57,655
Speaker 20: times that causes trouble. So yeah, pretty broad interest, really sure.

1500
01:25:58,175 --> 01:26:00,855
Speaker 5: I mean, look, it's obviously a massive field. So in

1501
01:26:00,935 --> 01:26:04,775
Speaker 5: terms of if you're out for a walk, right and

1502
01:26:04,815 --> 01:26:06,695
Speaker 5: you walk past a building site and you see a

1503
01:26:06,695 --> 01:26:10,375
Speaker 5: bunch of trades people there and they're using power tools

1504
01:26:10,375 --> 01:26:13,015
Speaker 5: and rotary hammer drills and grinders and that sort of thing,

1505
01:26:13,295 --> 01:26:15,375
Speaker 5: and maybe one or two of them have got hearing

1506
01:26:15,415 --> 01:26:19,535
Speaker 5: protection on, maybe some don't. Do you get a sense

1507
01:26:19,575 --> 01:26:22,335
Speaker 5: of I want to come and talk to you guys

1508
01:26:22,375 --> 01:26:22,775
Speaker 5: about this.

1509
01:26:24,615 --> 01:26:26,255
Speaker 7: Yes, sometimes I do.

1510
01:26:27,175 --> 01:26:28,775
Speaker 5: Oh, really fantastical.

1511
01:26:28,815 --> 01:26:29,975
Speaker 7: Well i'd feel bad if I didn't.

1512
01:26:30,015 --> 01:26:30,175
Speaker 3: You know.

1513
01:26:30,415 --> 01:26:32,535
Speaker 20: Sure, people don't have to do as they say, but

1514
01:26:32,815 --> 01:26:36,295
Speaker 20: you know, I'll say things to people because I know

1515
01:26:36,495 --> 01:26:39,655
Speaker 20: how terribly impactful it can be if you lose your

1516
01:26:39,655 --> 01:26:43,135
Speaker 20: hearing and it's just not necessary. You know, we've got

1517
01:26:43,135 --> 01:26:45,815
Speaker 20: good ways of protecting hearing now, and if you're using

1518
01:26:45,855 --> 01:26:48,815
Speaker 20: tools like that, the sound is you know, it's at

1519
01:26:48,815 --> 01:26:50,575
Speaker 20: a level that will really damage your ears.

1520
01:26:50,615 --> 01:26:52,215
Speaker 7: So it is.

1521
01:26:52,295 --> 01:26:54,695
Speaker 20: It's a sad thing to see. And I get it

1522
01:26:54,695 --> 01:26:58,095
Speaker 20: that not everybody wants to wear it. It's uncomfortable sometimes

1523
01:26:58,135 --> 01:27:02,015
Speaker 20: and all of that. It's a to me, it's a

1524
01:27:02,015 --> 01:27:07,535
Speaker 20: trade off scenario, right, minor inconvenience right now for a

1525
01:27:07,615 --> 01:27:10,335
Speaker 20: quality of life in a few years time which will

1526
01:27:10,335 --> 01:27:11,695
Speaker 20: be much much higher.

1527
01:27:12,095 --> 01:27:17,975
Speaker 5: Absolutely, just in terms of like, there is obviously a

1528
01:27:18,055 --> 01:27:22,895
Speaker 5: level at which noise becomes damaging to our hearing. So

1529
01:27:23,015 --> 01:27:27,895
Speaker 5: for our listeners, how would you describe that a conversation

1530
01:27:28,015 --> 01:27:31,055
Speaker 5: damaging to our hearing? At what disaboue rating do we

1531
01:27:31,095 --> 01:27:31,975
Speaker 5: need to be concerned?

1532
01:27:33,135 --> 01:27:36,775
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, that's a really good question and we don't

1533
01:27:36,855 --> 01:27:40,575
Speaker 20: have an absolutely clear answer on that one. Legally, in

1534
01:27:40,615 --> 01:27:45,455
Speaker 20: New Zealand, in workplaces, if you're working for eight hours,

1535
01:27:45,615 --> 01:27:48,495
Speaker 20: it makes them exposure before your employer has to take

1536
01:27:48,495 --> 01:27:51,215
Speaker 20: action as eighty five deff adults before they have to

1537
01:27:51,255 --> 01:27:54,935
Speaker 20: provide you with hearing protection. But we know that over

1538
01:27:55,015 --> 01:27:58,135
Speaker 20: time that level of noise exposure will cause harm to

1539
01:27:58,295 --> 01:28:02,535
Speaker 20: some people, right And one of the problems is that

1540
01:28:02,575 --> 01:28:05,015
Speaker 20: people are more or less vulnerable to it, and there's

1541
01:28:05,015 --> 01:28:08,455
Speaker 20: no way of telling. You know, when you're say you're

1542
01:28:08,615 --> 01:28:15,095
Speaker 20: thirty and you're working on your building site and the

1543
01:28:15,175 --> 01:28:18,455
Speaker 20: other person next to you is the same age, one

1544
01:28:18,495 --> 01:28:21,255
Speaker 20: of you might start to develop hearing loss at a

1545
01:28:21,295 --> 01:28:24,215
Speaker 20: significant level, you know where you're really struggling in normal

1546
01:28:24,295 --> 01:28:28,135
Speaker 20: conversations in say twenty years. The other one it might

1547
01:28:28,215 --> 01:28:30,695
Speaker 20: take you longer, it might take thirty years. And you

1548
01:28:30,695 --> 01:28:32,495
Speaker 20: don't know who. You don't know which one of those

1549
01:28:32,495 --> 01:28:35,615
Speaker 20: two people you are at the time, so it's just

1550
01:28:35,655 --> 01:28:38,655
Speaker 20: a it's a mystery unfortunately. So there for the best

1551
01:28:38,695 --> 01:28:40,455
Speaker 20: answer is to protect yourself.

1552
01:28:40,735 --> 01:28:43,455
Speaker 5: So two people exposed to the same amount of noise

1553
01:28:43,535 --> 01:28:46,175
Speaker 5: for a similar period of time will have over time

1554
01:28:46,255 --> 01:28:49,655
Speaker 5: different reactions, or their hearing will be affected in different ways.

1555
01:28:50,335 --> 01:28:51,095
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

1556
01:28:51,335 --> 01:28:56,615
Speaker 5: Wow, in terms of you know what we know about

1557
01:28:56,655 --> 01:29:00,175
Speaker 5: hearing loss, how much hearing loss, let's say in older age,

1558
01:29:00,535 --> 01:29:05,695
Speaker 5: can be contributed to exposure to excessive noise either in

1559
01:29:05,735 --> 01:29:08,815
Speaker 5: the workplace sor at home earlier in their lives.

1560
01:29:10,335 --> 01:29:12,095
Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, I think it's so.

1561
01:29:12,575 --> 01:29:15,815
Speaker 20: When they're born, we're born with a finite number of

1562
01:29:16,055 --> 01:29:20,415
Speaker 20: sensory cells in our ears, approximately sixteen thousand in each ear,

1563
01:29:21,375 --> 01:29:26,495
Speaker 20: and they're called up inside the cochlear and one of

1564
01:29:26,535 --> 01:29:29,375
Speaker 20: the effects of nornies exposure is to kill these cells.

1565
01:29:29,775 --> 01:29:31,495
Speaker 7: Basically, it overworks them.

1566
01:29:31,535 --> 01:29:34,815
Speaker 20: So you've got this little gull telling your brain I'm

1567
01:29:34,855 --> 01:29:39,015
Speaker 20: hearing something. I'm hearing something, and that action causes the

1568
01:29:39,055 --> 01:29:42,535
Speaker 20: cell ultimately to work itself to death and die. And

1569
01:29:42,575 --> 01:29:45,775
Speaker 20: so when you lose one, you're down to you know,

1570
01:29:45,815 --> 01:29:49,135
Speaker 20: from you, say, sixteen thousand, it's approximate numbers from your

1571
01:29:49,175 --> 01:29:52,375
Speaker 20: sixteen thousand down to fifteen nine hundred ninety nine. You

1572
01:29:52,375 --> 01:29:54,455
Speaker 20: probably aren't going to notice that the next day, Right,

1573
01:29:54,455 --> 01:29:55,015
Speaker 20: it's one.

1574
01:29:54,895 --> 01:29:56,975
Speaker 7: Dead cell out of a whole lot.

1575
01:29:57,335 --> 01:30:01,415
Speaker 20: But gradually you chip them away, and so as you

1576
01:30:01,815 --> 01:30:05,015
Speaker 20: get a bit older, you might start noticing it. And

1577
01:30:05,055 --> 01:30:08,975
Speaker 20: then when you when aging kicks in, which actually it

1578
01:30:09,015 --> 01:30:12,455
Speaker 20: starts from a round about age thirty, we're not from

1579
01:30:12,495 --> 01:30:16,015
Speaker 20: it thirty.

1580
01:30:16,415 --> 01:30:18,695
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a distant memory for.

1581
01:30:18,695 --> 01:30:24,455
Speaker 20: Me, but anyway, but yeah, even from a thirty our age,

1582
01:30:24,775 --> 01:30:29,535
Speaker 20: age is starting to cause loss of hearing. And so

1583
01:30:29,735 --> 01:30:33,295
Speaker 20: when that overlays on top of the cells that have

1584
01:30:33,335 --> 01:30:37,695
Speaker 20: been lost due to noise exposure, that obviously accelerates the process.

1585
01:30:37,975 --> 01:30:39,175
Speaker 7: And if you've lost.

1586
01:30:39,015 --> 01:30:44,095
Speaker 20: A lot of hearing in your younger years because of noise,

1587
01:30:45,175 --> 01:30:48,615
Speaker 20: the age related hearing loss will impact you much faster. Right,

1588
01:30:50,095 --> 01:30:52,015
Speaker 20: working on an already damaged system.

1589
01:30:52,215 --> 01:30:54,735
Speaker 5: I have to say I've never actually had it described

1590
01:30:54,935 --> 01:30:59,335
Speaker 5: in that manner that you've got a I've sort of

1591
01:30:59,335 --> 01:31:01,695
Speaker 5: got this image of knocking down pins in a bowling alley. Right,

1592
01:31:01,895 --> 01:31:04,455
Speaker 5: If you've got sixteen thousand of them out there and

1593
01:31:04,495 --> 01:31:07,215
Speaker 5: you're bowling down and you knock out ten and then

1594
01:31:07,255 --> 01:31:09,375
Speaker 5: you knock out another, you know, no one's putting them

1595
01:31:09,415 --> 01:31:10,935
Speaker 5: back up again. That's it. They're gone.

1596
01:31:11,055 --> 01:31:14,175
Speaker 20: Yep, yeah, they can't. That's well, you think about areas

1597
01:31:14,175 --> 01:31:16,615
Speaker 20: compared to the rest of our body. It doesn't heal right,

1598
01:31:17,015 --> 01:31:21,495
Speaker 20: the system is such that it's everything's very delicately balanced,

1599
01:31:21,655 --> 01:31:25,055
Speaker 20: and so in order to very quickly get rid of

1600
01:31:25,135 --> 01:31:27,695
Speaker 20: the damaged cells, which the air needs to do to

1601
01:31:27,775 --> 01:31:31,015
Speaker 20: make sure it can function normally, that part of the

1602
01:31:31,055 --> 01:31:34,255
Speaker 20: air scars over and so there's no way that a

1603
01:31:34,335 --> 01:31:37,215
Speaker 20: new hair cell can can sort of grow in its place.

1604
01:31:37,615 --> 01:31:40,655
Speaker 20: Some other species can do that. Frogs can do it,

1605
01:31:40,855 --> 01:31:45,175
Speaker 20: Birds can do it where they can redifferentiate supporting cells

1606
01:31:45,255 --> 01:31:48,335
Speaker 20: to turn into sensory cells.

1607
01:31:48,015 --> 01:31:49,495
Speaker 7: After they've lost the sensory cell.

1608
01:31:49,535 --> 01:31:53,415
Speaker 20: But unfortunately mammals including humans, can't do that.

1609
01:31:54,575 --> 01:31:58,135
Speaker 5: In terms of protecting our ears in a high noise environment,

1610
01:31:58,175 --> 01:32:00,535
Speaker 5: and that might be people working at home using you know,

1611
01:32:00,615 --> 01:32:03,695
Speaker 5: mowing the lawns, or using a chainsaw, or doing some

1612
01:32:03,735 --> 01:32:05,855
Speaker 5: work in the workshop, or sanding down the house, those

1613
01:32:05,895 --> 01:32:10,615
Speaker 5: sorts of things. My own opinion, based just on my

1614
01:32:10,655 --> 01:32:14,335
Speaker 5: own experience, is that hearing protection should be ear muffs,

1615
01:32:14,415 --> 01:32:18,175
Speaker 5: right like a covering over the years, one of the things.

1616
01:32:18,655 --> 01:32:22,215
Speaker 5: And I have no scientific background as to why I

1617
01:32:22,255 --> 01:32:25,895
Speaker 5: believe this, but I see increasing numbers of trades people

1618
01:32:26,335 --> 01:32:31,375
Speaker 5: using essentially in ear earphones that are noise canceling as

1619
01:32:31,415 --> 01:32:34,815
Speaker 5: hearing protection, and I'll just be blunt, I'm not convinced

1620
01:32:34,855 --> 01:32:38,695
Speaker 5: that they offer hearing protection in a conventional sense. Is

1621
01:32:38,735 --> 01:32:40,975
Speaker 5: there any research on this? What do we know about

1622
01:32:41,015 --> 01:32:45,935
Speaker 5: the impact of noise canceling in the ear earbuds versus

1623
01:32:46,135 --> 01:32:46,935
Speaker 5: ear muffs.

1624
01:32:47,895 --> 01:32:50,855
Speaker 20: Well, look, I think you've hit on a really interesting area,

1625
01:32:51,015 --> 01:32:53,735
Speaker 20: and it's one that I'll freely admit I don't know

1626
01:32:53,815 --> 01:32:56,815
Speaker 20: the answer to. I don't think anybody does, but I'm

1627
01:32:56,895 --> 01:32:58,095
Speaker 20: more than happy to discuss it.

1628
01:32:58,335 --> 01:32:59,295
Speaker 5: Sure, So.

1629
01:33:01,335 --> 01:33:02,215
Speaker 7: You mentioned a muffs.

1630
01:33:02,975 --> 01:33:06,975
Speaker 5: The ear defenders great big cans that sit over urears

1631
01:33:07,015 --> 01:33:09,775
Speaker 5: and just they block out as much sound as possible.

1632
01:33:10,495 --> 01:33:13,975
Speaker 20: Yeah, Yeah, that's right. And they do it through sort

1633
01:33:14,015 --> 01:33:16,695
Speaker 20: of two main mechanisms. One is they've got that hard

1634
01:33:16,735 --> 01:33:19,375
Speaker 20: out of shell, yes, that acts as a barrier to

1635
01:33:19,375 --> 01:33:22,295
Speaker 20: the sound. And then they've also got the padding inside yep,

1636
01:33:23,055 --> 01:33:26,895
Speaker 20: that absorbs some of the sound that comes through the shell,

1637
01:33:27,495 --> 01:33:31,855
Speaker 20: and so they protect areas really quite well. Ear plugs

1638
01:33:32,095 --> 01:33:35,295
Speaker 20: are also good, so you know the same sort of

1639
01:33:35,335 --> 01:33:37,375
Speaker 20: thing that you do. Put them into your ear canal

1640
01:33:37,455 --> 01:33:40,335
Speaker 20: and they basically seal off the air canal. And whether

1641
01:33:40,375 --> 01:33:42,895
Speaker 20: it's those foam ones which if you roll them up

1642
01:33:42,895 --> 01:33:45,175
Speaker 20: and push them deeply into your canal they work really

1643
01:33:45,175 --> 01:33:48,895
Speaker 20: really well, or they're the kind of plastic flanged ones, yes,

1644
01:33:49,015 --> 01:33:53,335
Speaker 20: pushing as well. So all of those things work, and

1645
01:33:53,815 --> 01:33:59,655
Speaker 20: they're designed for protecting people's hearing the high sound level environments,

1646
01:33:59,735 --> 01:34:02,495
Speaker 20: and so the manufacturers of those things have to go

1647
01:34:02,615 --> 01:34:06,495
Speaker 20: through quite quite rigorous testing procedures with all their product

1648
01:34:06,575 --> 01:34:10,815
Speaker 20: and that's where we get the rating system that we use,

1649
01:34:11,215 --> 01:34:12,775
Speaker 20: which is based on I think called the.

1650
01:34:12,735 --> 01:34:17,815
Speaker 7: Slc AT, which is they get people to fit the.

1651
01:34:17,655 --> 01:34:19,895
Speaker 20: Air muscle the air plugs and actually test how much

1652
01:34:20,055 --> 01:34:24,255
Speaker 20: protection they're getting from them. So there's a really good

1653
01:34:24,615 --> 01:34:27,415
Speaker 20: set of processes around that. Getting on to your point

1654
01:34:27,455 --> 01:34:30,535
Speaker 20: about noise canceling air buds.

1655
01:34:30,415 --> 01:34:34,375
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, different, Sorry, do you have an opinion.

1656
01:34:36,775 --> 01:34:39,135
Speaker 20: My opinion, you know, as a scientist, in my opinion

1657
01:34:39,215 --> 01:34:41,975
Speaker 20: is I don't know. I can't As a sciences I

1658
01:34:41,975 --> 01:34:45,375
Speaker 20: can't say. So I suppose what I'd advise people is

1659
01:34:45,415 --> 01:34:50,455
Speaker 20: to just be careful and you know, stick with the

1660
01:34:50,455 --> 01:34:52,815
Speaker 20: the stuff that we know to be safe. But look,

1661
01:34:53,015 --> 01:34:56,295
Speaker 20: I think that might be a bit too conservative, because

1662
01:34:56,855 --> 01:35:01,375
Speaker 20: it is perfectly possible that those little air buds could

1663
01:35:01,415 --> 01:35:05,255
Speaker 20: be effective. And I'll tell you what what I know,

1664
01:35:05,495 --> 01:35:07,415
Speaker 20: which is the it has been a starts. I'm aware

1665
01:35:07,415 --> 01:35:10,295
Speaker 20: one scientific study done, and it was done a few

1666
01:35:10,335 --> 01:35:13,175
Speaker 20: years ago, maybe four or five years ago, where they

1667
01:35:13,215 --> 01:35:16,175
Speaker 20: actually tested out some of those devices. And one of

1668
01:35:16,175 --> 01:35:18,135
Speaker 20: the problems with this is, of course there are hundreds

1669
01:35:18,135 --> 01:35:23,455
Speaker 20: of them right each you know, Headshone company a few

1670
01:35:23,495 --> 01:35:26,135
Speaker 20: different models and they change every year and all that stuff.

1671
01:35:26,615 --> 01:35:29,775
Speaker 20: So they tested the ones that were around there, and

1672
01:35:29,815 --> 01:35:35,215
Speaker 20: some of them did seem to work. The point of

1673
01:35:35,255 --> 01:35:37,415
Speaker 20: having something that sits in your ecinal if.

1674
01:35:37,335 --> 01:35:39,815
Speaker 7: It feels in all those sort of little.

1675
01:35:39,615 --> 01:35:43,775
Speaker 20: Rubber mushroom things that grip this grip the sides of

1676
01:35:43,815 --> 01:35:46,535
Speaker 20: the ear canal wall, it does actually present quite an

1677
01:35:46,535 --> 01:35:50,535
Speaker 20: effective barrier to the incoming sound. So can help it

1678
01:35:50,575 --> 01:35:52,895
Speaker 20: can be light wearing a pair of air plugs. I

1679
01:35:53,055 --> 01:35:54,575
Speaker 20: used to have something. They've broken there, but I used

1680
01:35:54,575 --> 01:35:58,695
Speaker 20: to have some that were literally ear plugs on the

1681
01:35:58,775 --> 01:36:01,855
Speaker 20: ends of the speakers, so they were like earbuds with

1682
01:36:02,015 --> 01:36:05,775
Speaker 20: ear plugs built into them. Yes, and you could swop.

1683
01:36:05,455 --> 01:36:06,175
Speaker 7: The air plug part.

1684
01:36:06,415 --> 01:36:10,735
Speaker 20: They wore out, unfortunately, the electronic bit side. So it

1685
01:36:10,775 --> 01:36:13,335
Speaker 20: is possible to get ones that are designed these were

1686
01:36:13,335 --> 01:36:15,255
Speaker 20: a three M when I think that I had. Yep,

1687
01:36:15,895 --> 01:36:19,655
Speaker 20: you can get ones that are designed as earbuds that

1688
01:36:20,135 --> 01:36:23,935
Speaker 20: have an occluding effect that block the incoming sound. But

1689
01:36:23,975 --> 01:36:26,335
Speaker 20: you're talking about the ones that are more designed as

1690
01:36:26,935 --> 01:36:32,095
Speaker 20: noise canceling, so they'll use electronic active cancelation of the

1691
01:36:32,135 --> 01:36:36,375
Speaker 20: incoming sound by generating a waveform that's one hundred and

1692
01:36:36,415 --> 01:36:39,735
Speaker 20: ninety degrees out of phase with the incoming sound. They're

1693
01:36:40,215 --> 01:36:45,575
Speaker 20: canceling the sound itself right in an active manner rather

1694
01:36:45,615 --> 01:36:48,855
Speaker 20: than a passive blocking manner. And you know that does

1695
01:36:49,015 --> 01:36:51,295
Speaker 20: as we know, when we listen to it, you can't

1696
01:36:51,335 --> 01:36:54,735
Speaker 20: hear the sound, and so being unable to hear the

1697
01:36:54,775 --> 01:36:59,535
Speaker 20: sound is a pretty good clue that it's not damaging areas.

1698
01:37:00,095 --> 01:37:03,655
Speaker 20: If it doesn't sound loud, chances are it's at a

1699
01:37:03,735 --> 01:37:11,295
Speaker 20: level that isn't damaging areas too much. However, sometimes sound

1700
01:37:11,335 --> 01:37:14,615
Speaker 20: will be blocked out in some frequencies, so it sounds muffled,

1701
01:37:14,655 --> 01:37:17,295
Speaker 20: but not in other frequencies that get in and cause

1702
01:37:17,335 --> 01:37:20,655
Speaker 20: the damage. And so you can't always trust your perception

1703
01:37:20,735 --> 01:37:22,615
Speaker 20: on that one. And that's why I'm being a bit

1704
01:37:22,695 --> 01:37:27,615
Speaker 20: cagy sure in terms of answering you, Well, they might

1705
01:37:27,695 --> 01:37:30,975
Speaker 20: well protect, but they also might not, depending on right

1706
01:37:31,855 --> 01:37:32,735
Speaker 20: how well they're designed.

1707
01:37:32,815 --> 01:37:36,295
Speaker 5: And I guess there are a relatively new innovation and

1708
01:37:36,415 --> 01:37:39,295
Speaker 5: so maybe we haven't. And you know, out of respect

1709
01:37:39,295 --> 01:37:42,775
Speaker 5: to the producers and manufacturers of them, they probably don't

1710
01:37:42,815 --> 01:37:45,095
Speaker 5: intend them or they may not intend them to be

1711
01:37:45,175 --> 01:37:49,015
Speaker 5: used in an industrial or high noise environment for hearing protection,

1712
01:37:49,575 --> 01:37:52,335
Speaker 5: you know, in accordance with health and safety guidelines for example.

1713
01:37:52,415 --> 01:37:55,295
Speaker 5: Whereas you know, if we go back to earlier in

1714
01:37:55,335 --> 01:37:57,815
Speaker 5: the conversation we're talking about, if I go and I

1715
01:37:57,895 --> 01:38:00,815
Speaker 5: buy a set of you know, muff tech ear muffs

1716
01:38:00,975 --> 01:38:04,975
Speaker 5: or three m ear muffs or peltors or something like that,

1717
01:38:05,255 --> 01:38:06,735
Speaker 5: you know, I can look on the box and it

1718
01:38:06,775 --> 01:38:08,535
Speaker 5: will tell me what they've been tested to.

1719
01:38:09,535 --> 01:38:12,055
Speaker 20: Yes, yes, and they're independently tested as well, but it's

1720
01:38:12,095 --> 01:38:15,415
Speaker 20: not just the company saying these are good. It's that

1721
01:38:15,495 --> 01:38:18,415
Speaker 20: it's it's been separately tested by experts.

1722
01:38:18,055 --> 01:38:20,295
Speaker 5: And there's an objective standard to that.

1723
01:38:20,295 --> 01:38:23,335
Speaker 7: That's right. Yes. The other issue to bring up, we're

1724
01:38:23,455 --> 01:38:28,775
Speaker 7: thing to music on the website. Of course, not only does.

1725
01:38:30,575 --> 01:38:33,775
Speaker 20: Noise cancelation and the occlusion of your can i'll prevent

1726
01:38:34,215 --> 01:38:37,535
Speaker 20: noise coming in, but also the sound of the music

1727
01:38:37,615 --> 01:38:40,495
Speaker 20: makes it hard to hear other things, like they're saying, hey,

1728
01:38:40,535 --> 01:38:44,215
Speaker 20: watch out, there's something about to run into you. Yeah,

1729
01:38:44,335 --> 01:38:47,055
Speaker 20: so there's another danger there as well, which isn't so

1730
01:38:47,135 --> 01:38:49,575
Speaker 20: much hearing but is also real.

1731
01:38:50,775 --> 01:38:53,895
Speaker 5: Certainly, I'm aware of some sites where, you know, site

1732
01:38:53,895 --> 01:38:57,815
Speaker 5: foreman or health and safety people have said to people

1733
01:38:57,815 --> 01:39:00,655
Speaker 5: working on the site, I'm sorry, you just can't wear

1734
01:39:00,775 --> 01:39:03,775
Speaker 5: that type of hearing protection. If you're have then got

1735
01:39:03,855 --> 01:39:07,575
Speaker 5: like I've got bluetooth, you must. And so I'll listen

1736
01:39:07,615 --> 01:39:09,775
Speaker 5: to a podcast and those sorts of things. I'll listen

1737
01:39:09,775 --> 01:39:13,415
Speaker 5: to the show while I'm working with them. But I'd

1738
01:39:13,455 --> 01:39:14,855
Speaker 5: like to think that I have it down at a

1739
01:39:14,975 --> 01:39:17,375
Speaker 5: level one that it's not causing hearing loss because I'm

1740
01:39:17,415 --> 01:39:22,375
Speaker 5: blasting music into my ears under and also that I'm

1741
01:39:22,455 --> 01:39:26,255
Speaker 5: still aware of my surroundings because it's a high risk environment, right,

1742
01:39:26,295 --> 01:39:27,775
Speaker 5: you do need to be able to be alerted.

1743
01:39:27,855 --> 01:39:32,015
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, And you raise a good point there about

1744
01:39:32,055 --> 01:39:34,695
Speaker 20: the blasting the music at such a high level the

1745
01:39:34,775 --> 01:39:37,855
Speaker 20: mass as your harm. So that's the other side of

1746
01:39:37,895 --> 01:39:41,615
Speaker 20: the flip side of the noise canceling headphones, which is

1747
01:39:41,655 --> 01:39:45,415
Speaker 20: of course because they do reduce the external sound level

1748
01:39:45,415 --> 01:39:48,695
Speaker 20: coming into your ear, so it doesn't tend to drown

1749
01:39:48,735 --> 01:39:49,335
Speaker 20: out your music.

1750
01:39:49,655 --> 01:39:49,815
Speaker 7: Right.

1751
01:39:49,895 --> 01:39:51,895
Speaker 20: People do tend to listen to their music at lower

1752
01:39:51,975 --> 01:39:55,535
Speaker 20: levels through them, so that's a good thing in the

1753
01:39:55,655 --> 01:39:58,975
Speaker 20: terms of one of the things we're worried about is

1754
01:39:59,015 --> 01:40:03,855
Speaker 20: that the prevalence of earbuds might mean that people are

1755
01:40:03,975 --> 01:40:08,975
Speaker 20: damaging their ears from that through industrial or toolofs or whatever.

1756
01:40:10,975 --> 01:40:14,135
Speaker 5: Oh look, it's just such a fascinating field. And I

1757
01:40:14,415 --> 01:40:17,255
Speaker 5: just in terms of, you know, if you were to

1758
01:40:17,295 --> 01:40:20,215
Speaker 5: offer up some general advice, and I like you really

1759
01:40:20,255 --> 01:40:23,615
Speaker 5: a comment. You know, there are older ear muffs and

1760
01:40:23,655 --> 01:40:26,815
Speaker 5: that sort of thing were often uncomfortable. The padding wasn't great,

1761
01:40:27,135 --> 01:40:29,455
Speaker 5: the fit wasn't particularly good, they were heavy or they

1762
01:40:29,455 --> 01:40:31,575
Speaker 5: were bulky, and so on the ones that I wear,

1763
01:40:31,895 --> 01:40:33,895
Speaker 5: you know, I find them quite comfortable. I've got some

1764
01:40:33,975 --> 01:40:37,575
Speaker 5: that are much bigger for high, really high noise environments,

1765
01:40:37,615 --> 01:40:39,935
Speaker 5: others that are a little bit more SLIMLW those sorts

1766
01:40:39,975 --> 01:40:44,015
Speaker 5: of things. So I just I just find it. If

1767
01:40:44,055 --> 01:40:46,055
Speaker 5: you were just to add, you know, if you wanted

1768
01:40:46,095 --> 01:40:48,855
Speaker 5: to say to someone you're starting out life in the trade,

1769
01:40:49,175 --> 01:40:51,095
Speaker 5: what do you do with your ears? What would you say?

1770
01:40:51,855 --> 01:40:56,615
Speaker 20: Okay, well, I'd say you protect them because of that

1771
01:40:56,815 --> 01:41:00,655
Speaker 20: issue that once they get damaged, they don't get fixed.

1772
01:41:00,735 --> 01:41:02,215
Speaker 7: So you've got what you've.

1773
01:41:02,095 --> 01:41:05,535
Speaker 20: Got, and if you let them get exposed to too

1774
01:41:05,575 --> 01:41:09,815
Speaker 20: much noise, it'll it'll go. And of course the other

1775
01:41:09,895 --> 01:41:13,175
Speaker 20: exposures you've got to noise, you know, you're the things

1776
01:41:13,175 --> 01:41:15,535
Speaker 20: you do for fun, listening to music, going to concerts,

1777
01:41:15,615 --> 01:41:18,455
Speaker 20: or going out dancing or whatever else you like to

1778
01:41:18,495 --> 01:41:21,575
Speaker 20: do that will also cause you damage, you know, a

1779
01:41:21,655 --> 01:41:26,215
Speaker 20: nightcap one hundred decimals. You've also got to factor all

1780
01:41:26,255 --> 01:41:29,335
Speaker 20: that stuff in, and so the more you can do

1781
01:41:29,415 --> 01:41:31,695
Speaker 20: to protect your ears from sound that isn't very nice

1782
01:41:31,735 --> 01:41:35,015
Speaker 20: to listen to. Let's be honest, no one enjoys listening.

1783
01:41:35,135 --> 01:41:37,655
Speaker 20: I don't enjoy listening to the sound of powertools. That's

1784
01:41:37,895 --> 01:41:41,095
Speaker 20: not a presence kind of sound, so you may as

1785
01:41:41,095 --> 01:41:43,495
Speaker 20: well just cut it out as you possibly can and

1786
01:41:43,495 --> 01:41:48,295
Speaker 20: protect her from it. Your idea, and you know, to me,

1787
01:41:48,375 --> 01:41:50,815
Speaker 20: I really like that if you if it's a safe

1788
01:41:50,895 --> 01:41:54,215
Speaker 20: environment to be listening to some music, getting things that

1789
01:41:54,295 --> 01:41:58,055
Speaker 20: are designed for the purpose Bluetooth must so that there

1790
01:41:58,455 --> 01:42:00,695
Speaker 20: they are, you know how much they're protecting you, and

1791
01:42:00,775 --> 01:42:03,295
Speaker 20: you can still listen to the music through them. I

1792
01:42:03,335 --> 01:42:05,295
Speaker 20: mean that seems to be a best of both worlds

1793
01:42:05,695 --> 01:42:09,135
Speaker 20: kind of scenari to me, So that'd be one piece

1794
01:42:09,175 --> 01:42:13,295
Speaker 20: of advice. The other thing you can do is to

1795
01:42:13,375 --> 01:42:19,015
Speaker 20: find out what your sound levels are. Everyone's got a smartphone.

1796
01:42:19,295 --> 01:42:22,295
Speaker 20: I mean I've got an iPhones. I've got an app

1797
01:42:22,295 --> 01:42:27,015
Speaker 20: from that runs on that which is the American equivalent

1798
01:42:27,175 --> 01:42:31,615
Speaker 20: of work SOACES called niosh. It's in io S National

1799
01:42:31,655 --> 01:42:35,575
Speaker 20: Institutes of Occupational Safety and Health, and it made a

1800
01:42:35,655 --> 01:42:39,775
Speaker 20: nice sound level meter app is pretty accurate. It can

1801
01:42:39,815 --> 01:42:43,695
Speaker 20: be calibrated but on an iPhone because the systems are

1802
01:42:44,615 --> 01:42:48,495
Speaker 20: the same across all the phones, they can just the

1803
01:42:48,775 --> 01:42:51,615
Speaker 20: basic form of it is, you know, pretty much accurate.

1804
01:42:51,615 --> 01:42:56,135
Speaker 20: I've tested against proper sound level meters and you can

1805
01:42:56,175 --> 01:42:58,055
Speaker 20: measure the sound level around you, so to give you

1806
01:42:58,095 --> 01:42:58,855
Speaker 20: an idea.

1807
01:42:58,575 --> 01:43:00,935
Speaker 7: Of what what what your actual exposure is.

1808
01:43:00,975 --> 01:43:03,455
Speaker 20: And if it's you know, and if it's in the

1809
01:43:03,495 --> 01:43:05,975
Speaker 20: low eighties, you know, I'd say, well, you might be

1810
01:43:06,015 --> 01:43:11,095
Speaker 20: okay where you're noise canceling headphones, and it's probably okay.

1811
01:43:11,295 --> 01:43:14,095
Speaker 20: If it's getting up above that, then I'd say, well

1812
01:43:14,215 --> 01:43:17,015
Speaker 20: you may as well, you know, put your arms on

1813
01:43:17,135 --> 01:43:17,575
Speaker 20: or put.

1814
01:43:17,375 --> 01:43:18,535
Speaker 7: Your proper airplugs.

1815
01:43:18,575 --> 01:43:21,015
Speaker 20: Then yeah, and that way you know you're being protected

1816
01:43:21,055 --> 01:43:24,455
Speaker 20: and so you can sort of use your common sense

1817
01:43:24,535 --> 01:43:27,015
Speaker 20: a bit more once you've got the information to go on.

1818
01:43:27,415 --> 01:43:30,575
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess you know. That for me takes me

1819
01:43:30,615 --> 01:43:34,215
Speaker 5: back to your original one of your earlier comments around

1820
01:43:34,495 --> 01:43:38,375
Speaker 5: We've got about sixteen thousand of these individual cells and

1821
01:43:38,415 --> 01:43:41,015
Speaker 5: each year, right, and once they're gone, they're gone. Right,

1822
01:43:41,055 --> 01:43:43,095
Speaker 5: They're not growing back. We're not frogs, we're not birds.

1823
01:43:43,975 --> 01:43:47,695
Speaker 5: And I just look at that now, and I do

1824
01:43:47,975 --> 01:43:50,775
Speaker 5: genuinely hope that someone listening to this, who's thinking do

1825
01:43:50,855 --> 01:43:53,255
Speaker 5: I put my headphones on today? Do I put my

1826
01:43:53,295 --> 01:43:56,015
Speaker 5: hearing protection on? Listens to that and goes, I've got

1827
01:43:56,015 --> 01:43:58,295
Speaker 5: one chance to save my years. I'm going to take

1828
01:43:58,335 --> 01:44:03,815
Speaker 5: that chance. Yeah, Yeah, fantastic. Professor David Welsh. Thank you

1829
01:44:03,935 --> 01:44:06,895
Speaker 5: so much for your time. I've really enjoyed the conversation

1830
01:44:07,135 --> 01:44:10,255
Speaker 5: and I think this is just some fantastic information and

1831
01:44:10,295 --> 01:44:11,295
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it.

1832
01:44:11,575 --> 01:44:12,935
Speaker 7: Oh, cheers, Peter. It's a great pleasure.

1833
01:44:12,975 --> 01:44:18,295
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