1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:19,293 --> 00:00:21,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, taken on the pad. Now we don't get in. 4 00:00:22,053 --> 00:00:22,733 Speaker 2: It's your trick. 5 00:00:23,333 --> 00:00:29,453 Speaker 3: It is out, The test is over. Couldn't smokes a beauty, 6 00:00:29,533 --> 00:00:32,613 Speaker 3: It is out and here you goes. This delivery has 7 00:00:32,693 --> 00:00:33,093 Speaker 3: in the. 8 00:00:33,173 --> 00:00:34,493 Speaker 4: News of Revolved. 9 00:00:36,373 --> 00:00:39,773 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 10 00:00:40,093 --> 00:00:43,973 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks dead B at iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:47,293 --> 00:00:49,893 Speaker 3: Hello, We're back on the front foot. The rainy season 12 00:00:49,973 --> 00:00:53,573 Speaker 3: has disruptive international programs, not only at the Women's World 13 00:00:53,613 --> 00:00:56,213 Speaker 3: Cup don in christ shit and also in Perth they 14 00:00:56,253 --> 00:00:58,333 Speaker 3: had a rained off game. 15 00:00:58,253 --> 00:00:59,493 Speaker 2: Or a shortened game. 16 00:01:00,093 --> 00:01:03,773 Speaker 3: Cricket's trying to jam as much as possible into twelve months. 17 00:01:04,133 --> 00:01:06,773 Speaker 3: The black Caps now can only square the TEA twenty 18 00:01:06,813 --> 00:01:09,213 Speaker 3: series with England. I may have to rely on the 19 00:01:09,413 --> 00:01:12,413 Speaker 3: ad I squad name this week to improve the results. 20 00:01:13,333 --> 00:01:17,573 Speaker 3: As our white ball program continues, England and Australia prepare 21 00:01:17,693 --> 00:01:20,613 Speaker 3: for the Ashes. What will the test lineups look like? 22 00:01:21,253 --> 00:01:24,013 Speaker 3: Does Australia want a new Zealand team in the BBL? 23 00:01:24,133 --> 00:01:27,053 Speaker 3: We can probably try and answer those questions with our 24 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:29,973 Speaker 3: special guest from across the Testament, man I had the 25 00:01:29,973 --> 00:01:32,973 Speaker 3: pleasure of working with when the Australian Test Tour was 26 00:01:33,013 --> 00:01:36,013 Speaker 3: out Here on the commentary with the ABC former Test 27 00:01:36,093 --> 00:01:40,933 Speaker 3: spinner Xavier Doherty who joins us from Tazzy before we 28 00:01:41,053 --> 00:01:45,173 Speaker 3: talk the eshes, you got a new job with the 29 00:01:46,093 --> 00:01:47,653 Speaker 3: pregod Australia, a match referee. 30 00:01:47,733 --> 00:01:50,973 Speaker 4: Now, yeah, thank you, thank you so much for having me. 31 00:01:51,093 --> 00:01:53,813 Speaker 4: I'm yeah, I've turned to the dark side, so all 32 00:01:53,853 --> 00:01:55,573 Speaker 4: that all the players are telling me. 33 00:01:55,693 --> 00:01:58,133 Speaker 5: Just at the moment, I'm sitting up in the in 34 00:01:58,213 --> 00:02:01,293 Speaker 5: the air conditioned box and seeing the game from a 35 00:02:01,413 --> 00:02:02,453 Speaker 5: different point of view. 36 00:02:02,573 --> 00:02:05,173 Speaker 4: So I've just sat through a Shield game. 37 00:02:05,213 --> 00:02:08,333 Speaker 5: Over here in Hobart which finished with a three run victory, 38 00:02:08,533 --> 00:02:12,093 Speaker 5: and we had ninety Klimeter wins. We had bad light, 39 00:02:12,533 --> 00:02:16,573 Speaker 5: we had bad overrates, we didn't have any players descent 40 00:02:16,733 --> 00:02:19,373 Speaker 5: or anything like that. But aside from that, I saw 41 00:02:19,413 --> 00:02:23,133 Speaker 5: every part of the game a new match, a new 42 00:02:23,173 --> 00:02:25,613 Speaker 5: match referee would want to see. So yeah, like I said, 43 00:02:25,653 --> 00:02:28,213 Speaker 5: it's still in touch with the game, but from a 44 00:02:28,613 --> 00:02:29,413 Speaker 5: very different point of view. 45 00:02:29,493 --> 00:02:30,653 Speaker 4: Just at the moment, I. 46 00:02:30,693 --> 00:02:32,093 Speaker 3: Bet he's got a whole lot of new friends. 47 00:02:32,213 --> 00:02:39,373 Speaker 2: Jerry I want to Betty, I tell you what his pockets. 48 00:02:39,853 --> 00:02:42,373 Speaker 2: Pockets won't be bulging. Though I didn't tell you that. 49 00:02:42,733 --> 00:02:47,653 Speaker 2: I don't see sending us all this crep whther too, 50 00:02:47,773 --> 00:02:48,053 Speaker 2: will you. 51 00:02:49,213 --> 00:02:51,853 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's blowing that way. It's blowing that way. 52 00:02:51,973 --> 00:02:54,733 Speaker 5: We had we had a one Day Cup game on 53 00:02:55,013 --> 00:02:59,333 Speaker 5: Monday which the w A teams came off and Jordan Silk, 54 00:02:59,373 --> 00:03:01,253 Speaker 5: the tazzy captain, came off and said he's never played 55 00:03:01,293 --> 00:03:03,493 Speaker 5: anything worse it was. I think we had ninety climate 56 00:03:03,533 --> 00:03:05,973 Speaker 5: of gusts And yeah, we're sending it your way. 57 00:03:06,053 --> 00:03:07,413 Speaker 4: So it should hit you anytime soon. 58 00:03:08,013 --> 00:03:12,253 Speaker 3: If I suppose trying to get games played and these 59 00:03:12,293 --> 00:03:14,813 Speaker 3: sort of conditions, I mean, you sound as are you're 60 00:03:14,813 --> 00:03:17,813 Speaker 3: talking New Zealand conditions. We don't think that in Australia, 61 00:03:17,893 --> 00:03:21,013 Speaker 3: but it just seems to happen. And I suppose we've 62 00:03:21,013 --> 00:03:23,133 Speaker 3: got to fit so much game time in, do we. 63 00:03:23,773 --> 00:03:24,533 Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing. 64 00:03:24,773 --> 00:03:27,933 Speaker 5: It was the earliest game Hobut's ever hosted in the 65 00:03:28,013 --> 00:03:29,173 Speaker 5: Shield middle of October. 66 00:03:29,333 --> 00:03:31,573 Speaker 4: But yeah, like you say, with all this other cricket 67 00:03:31,613 --> 00:03:32,293 Speaker 4: that's going on, and. 68 00:03:32,973 --> 00:03:35,013 Speaker 5: Let's be honest, it's the it's the cricket that makes 69 00:03:35,013 --> 00:03:38,493 Speaker 5: the money that needs to be played in December and January. 70 00:03:38,573 --> 00:03:41,533 Speaker 5: Then we've got to squeeze these other I wouldn't I 71 00:03:41,533 --> 00:03:44,253 Speaker 5: don't want to say less important games, but maybe less 72 00:03:44,293 --> 00:03:47,933 Speaker 5: profile games, you know, earlier and earlier, and just try 73 00:03:48,013 --> 00:03:48,413 Speaker 5: and get them in. 74 00:03:48,453 --> 00:03:51,293 Speaker 4: And they're very important games. As far as selection goes. 75 00:03:51,333 --> 00:03:55,613 Speaker 5: There's there's all sorts of permutations for Ash's selections, so 76 00:03:55,693 --> 00:03:56,613 Speaker 5: they are very important. 77 00:03:57,373 --> 00:04:00,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things that Australia has to 78 00:04:00,173 --> 00:04:02,693 Speaker 3: worry about it because we have always sat on this 79 00:04:02,773 --> 00:04:06,053 Speaker 3: side of the Tasman and oh the Guzzi squad. The 80 00:04:06,133 --> 00:04:10,693 Speaker 3: eleven will be pretty straightforward. But it isn't quite that 81 00:04:10,813 --> 00:04:11,813 Speaker 3: straightforward now, is it. 82 00:04:12,533 --> 00:04:16,373 Speaker 4: No, it's nice. Haven't quite filled the void that David 83 00:04:16,453 --> 00:04:18,453 Speaker 4: Warner left. You know, they tried. 84 00:04:19,333 --> 00:04:21,973 Speaker 5: I don't know if Marcus Harris did try in that 85 00:04:22,053 --> 00:04:25,093 Speaker 5: little period, but they went straight to Steve Smith. We've 86 00:04:25,133 --> 00:04:27,893 Speaker 5: had Marnas, we've had Sam Constace and none of those 87 00:04:28,613 --> 00:04:31,813 Speaker 5: options that have worked. So we go into a big 88 00:04:31,933 --> 00:04:35,693 Speaker 5: series not really knowing well, not just our opener. 89 00:04:35,413 --> 00:04:36,813 Speaker 4: But our number three as well. 90 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:41,573 Speaker 5: So they're mixing and matching and you know, I guess 91 00:04:41,773 --> 00:04:43,813 Speaker 5: the schedule has worked out well that they get four 92 00:04:43,933 --> 00:04:46,533 Speaker 5: shield games, which is a decent body of work to 93 00:04:46,853 --> 00:04:49,053 Speaker 5: try and pick their eleven. And there are some guys 94 00:04:49,093 --> 00:04:50,813 Speaker 5: that have put their hands up and a few guys 95 00:04:50,853 --> 00:04:52,773 Speaker 5: who have probably just been left behind a little bit. 96 00:04:53,773 --> 00:04:58,013 Speaker 3: Who do you see is the opener? Constance hasn't quite 97 00:04:58,173 --> 00:05:00,573 Speaker 3: cut at has he? But there's, as you say, there 98 00:05:00,613 --> 00:05:03,373 Speaker 3: are a number of names being put forward. They've got 99 00:05:03,453 --> 00:05:05,653 Speaker 3: to get a settled combination, don't they. 100 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:09,733 Speaker 5: They do, they do, and I I think from the 101 00:05:09,813 --> 00:05:12,613 Speaker 5: outset they were maybe just thinking of one spot, and 102 00:05:13,213 --> 00:05:16,013 Speaker 5: you know, if that was going to be Manus or 103 00:05:16,133 --> 00:05:19,413 Speaker 5: Constace or weather alled there are a few others maybe 104 00:05:19,413 --> 00:05:22,373 Speaker 5: a little further back, you know, then you know there's 105 00:05:22,373 --> 00:05:24,173 Speaker 5: probably only one spot up for grabs. But the way 106 00:05:24,213 --> 00:05:28,013 Speaker 5: that Marnus Laboushaan's come out, he's demanded, not just demanded, 107 00:05:28,053 --> 00:05:29,613 Speaker 5: a spot at the top. 108 00:05:30,293 --> 00:05:33,733 Speaker 4: I think he gets to pick his preferred spot with him. 109 00:05:33,773 --> 00:05:37,893 Speaker 5: I think he's scored four hundreds in five Knox for Queensland, 110 00:05:38,853 --> 00:05:41,213 Speaker 5: so he's done everything that's been asked and more so, 111 00:05:41,333 --> 00:05:44,333 Speaker 5: I actually think he comes in and the order gets 112 00:05:44,333 --> 00:05:46,373 Speaker 5: shuffled again. I think he comes in at three, which 113 00:05:46,413 --> 00:05:49,933 Speaker 5: is his preferred spot, and we're still looking for an opener. 114 00:05:50,213 --> 00:05:53,893 Speaker 5: And like you say, Sam Constace is a talent which 115 00:05:53,933 --> 00:05:56,613 Speaker 5: we've all seen, but he just hasn't put out the 116 00:05:56,693 --> 00:05:59,493 Speaker 5: numbers to warrant a spot, in my opinion, at at 117 00:05:59,493 --> 00:06:01,933 Speaker 5: the top of the order. So I don't see him 118 00:06:01,973 --> 00:06:04,173 Speaker 5: in the initial squad. I think Jake Weatherwold's a man 119 00:06:04,213 --> 00:06:09,173 Speaker 5: who plays in a similar vein today. Even Warner takes 120 00:06:09,213 --> 00:06:11,493 Speaker 5: the game on, loves the short ball, which there will 121 00:06:11,493 --> 00:06:14,733 Speaker 5: be plenty of that coming the top orders way this summer. 122 00:06:15,453 --> 00:06:18,053 Speaker 5: He scored a thousand runs in the Shield. He's gone 123 00:06:18,853 --> 00:06:21,133 Speaker 5: fifty and sixty in the first Shield game. He got 124 00:06:21,133 --> 00:06:23,973 Speaker 5: a ninety in a thirty eight or something in tough 125 00:06:24,013 --> 00:06:27,893 Speaker 5: conditions in Hobart this week. So without scoring that Shield hundred, 126 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:31,493 Speaker 5: Jake weather Or I think has done enough to secure 127 00:06:31,493 --> 00:06:33,573 Speaker 5: a spot at the top of the order. And Marnus 128 00:06:33,613 --> 00:06:35,213 Speaker 5: comes in at three and then it just means that 129 00:06:35,533 --> 00:06:37,893 Speaker 5: they can only play one of Green or Webster at six. 130 00:06:38,013 --> 00:06:40,893 Speaker 4: So I know there's been a few shots fired. 131 00:06:40,693 --> 00:06:46,133 Speaker 5: From the UK on the worst eleven that's been put 132 00:06:46,173 --> 00:06:49,333 Speaker 5: out in a few years, but if you actually look 133 00:06:49,373 --> 00:06:52,093 Speaker 5: at the names that are putting their hands up, it 134 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:53,293 Speaker 5: doesn't look too bad. 135 00:06:54,053 --> 00:06:56,773 Speaker 3: One of the interesting choices sort of suggestions Jerry, was 136 00:06:56,893 --> 00:07:00,133 Speaker 3: that that of Michael Vaughan, who's always got a suggestion 137 00:07:00,253 --> 00:07:02,653 Speaker 3: about something that any team in the world can do, 138 00:07:03,173 --> 00:07:06,173 Speaker 3: and he reckons that miss Marsh should be the opener. 139 00:07:06,253 --> 00:07:06,453 Speaker 2: There. 140 00:07:06,733 --> 00:07:09,013 Speaker 3: See, that is a like less jury. 141 00:07:09,373 --> 00:07:12,173 Speaker 2: No, I don't, no, I don't at all. Wadds and 142 00:07:12,293 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 2: Cadets ay, look, I agree, I mean whether all certainly 143 00:07:17,573 --> 00:07:20,293 Speaker 2: in terms of the matches that I've had a quick 144 00:07:20,373 --> 00:07:22,493 Speaker 2: look at. I mean, and he's got the age on 145 00:07:22,573 --> 00:07:26,333 Speaker 2: his side, hasn't he He's thirty now, he got averaged 146 00:07:26,373 --> 00:07:29,133 Speaker 2: about fifty last year in the Shield. He's got a 147 00:07:29,253 --> 00:07:32,253 Speaker 2: sixty and a fifty at Brisbane, to be fair, and 148 00:07:32,413 --> 00:07:36,053 Speaker 2: then played in that Hobart match and obviously got a 149 00:07:36,133 --> 00:07:40,413 Speaker 2: good ninety in that sort of second innings as well. 150 00:07:40,573 --> 00:07:45,493 Speaker 2: So he seems to be the obvious leading man at 151 00:07:45,493 --> 00:07:48,093 Speaker 2: the moment. I think Constance to be honest, He's played 152 00:07:48,733 --> 00:07:51,773 Speaker 2: in two pretty tough matches. He played at the Whacker, 153 00:07:51,813 --> 00:07:54,733 Speaker 2: which looked a really tough game, I thought, scores of 154 00:07:54,733 --> 00:07:58,373 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty, one hundred and seventy the first innings, 155 00:07:58,413 --> 00:08:01,893 Speaker 2: and then he played it. I think was it in 156 00:08:04,093 --> 00:08:07,733 Speaker 2: was it Middlebourne? Yeah? Yeah, Junction Oval and even that 157 00:08:07,933 --> 00:08:11,293 Speaker 2: didn't look easy either. And he obviously got a duck 158 00:08:11,333 --> 00:08:14,173 Speaker 2: in the first innings, another LBW in the first innings 159 00:08:14,213 --> 00:08:16,493 Speaker 2: and then had obviously a bit of a slog and 160 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:20,533 Speaker 2: the second had got a quick fifty. But look, he's 161 00:08:21,093 --> 00:08:23,773 Speaker 2: he's really I watched him against India and the West Indies. 162 00:08:23,813 --> 00:08:27,213 Speaker 2: I'm talking about Sam at this stage, and I just 163 00:08:27,333 --> 00:08:30,053 Speaker 2: got the feeling that he couldn't find an answer in 164 00:08:30,133 --> 00:08:32,733 Speaker 2: the West Indies. He didn't have the background. Maybe I 165 00:08:32,813 --> 00:08:36,613 Speaker 2: don't know, but I mean it's understandable. He just didn't 166 00:08:36,733 --> 00:08:40,093 Speaker 2: solve a problem. He's only just twenty and everyone's saying 167 00:08:40,133 --> 00:08:42,133 Speaker 2: he's the future. Well that may be, I don't know, 168 00:08:42,773 --> 00:08:45,293 Speaker 2: but he's still developing a temperament. It seems to me 169 00:08:45,373 --> 00:08:48,973 Speaker 2: about you know, it's under construction at the moment, and 170 00:08:49,093 --> 00:08:51,373 Speaker 2: it seems to me needs a few years, you know, 171 00:08:51,533 --> 00:08:55,213 Speaker 2: in the shield to work work himself out a bit, 172 00:08:55,693 --> 00:08:59,013 Speaker 2: because he doesn't have a reliable or a defendable in 173 00:08:59,133 --> 00:09:02,213 Speaker 2: defense of attack. You know, he just doesn't have a 174 00:09:02,293 --> 00:09:05,653 Speaker 2: defensive game and you need to have that. I think 175 00:09:05,693 --> 00:09:09,013 Speaker 2: as a test opener, he puts out fun, eye catching 176 00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:12,053 Speaker 2: kind of froth, if you know what I mean. He 177 00:09:12,213 --> 00:09:15,573 Speaker 2: needs some years of thinking about things, I think and 178 00:09:15,653 --> 00:09:19,653 Speaker 2: some application. So I don't see him getting there unless 179 00:09:19,733 --> 00:09:21,613 Speaker 2: he needs just what if he has a couple of 180 00:09:21,693 --> 00:09:22,293 Speaker 2: good innings. 181 00:09:23,133 --> 00:09:26,173 Speaker 5: Well, I think that's a fantastic point you make with 182 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:28,733 Speaker 5: weather All's age. This is a big series and there's 183 00:09:28,733 --> 00:09:30,853 Speaker 5: going to be a lot of eyeballs on it. And 184 00:09:31,093 --> 00:09:34,933 Speaker 5: like you say, Constance at the moment has had small 185 00:09:34,933 --> 00:09:37,413 Speaker 5: amount of success at the top level, but also a 186 00:09:37,453 --> 00:09:39,213 Speaker 5: little bit of failure. I think he needs a bit 187 00:09:39,253 --> 00:09:42,413 Speaker 5: more failure in the background. You know, Weather it's had that. 188 00:09:43,453 --> 00:09:45,413 Speaker 5: You know, he's had the highs, he's had the lows. 189 00:09:45,493 --> 00:09:47,773 Speaker 5: You know, he's worked through it at shield level. Constance 190 00:09:47,773 --> 00:09:49,173 Speaker 5: hasn't done that. He needs to sort of. 191 00:09:49,573 --> 00:09:52,893 Speaker 4: Develop that game and learn how to fail and learn 192 00:09:52,933 --> 00:09:53,653 Speaker 4: how to bounce back. 193 00:09:53,693 --> 00:09:56,053 Speaker 5: And it's tough to do when there's you know, tens 194 00:09:56,053 --> 00:09:58,693 Speaker 5: of millions of people watching. So I think it's it'll 195 00:09:58,693 --> 00:10:00,573 Speaker 5: be a better thing for him to do, as you say, Jerry, 196 00:10:00,653 --> 00:10:02,533 Speaker 5: to do that in the background, just for now. And 197 00:10:03,093 --> 00:10:04,813 Speaker 5: like you say, he is the future and I think 198 00:10:04,853 --> 00:10:08,333 Speaker 5: everyone can see that. But just this ASHES series made 199 00:10:08,413 --> 00:10:09,013 Speaker 5: not be for him. 200 00:10:09,773 --> 00:10:12,693 Speaker 3: The other issue, of course is Kemon Green. Now how 201 00:10:12,773 --> 00:10:14,733 Speaker 3: long he's out for they don't know, do they. But 202 00:10:15,813 --> 00:10:19,613 Speaker 3: the obvious one to replace him would be Webster. See 203 00:10:19,973 --> 00:10:22,213 Speaker 3: the likely man. I mean, he hasn't done anything wrong 204 00:10:22,293 --> 00:10:24,693 Speaker 3: playing for Australia, has he well? 205 00:10:25,213 --> 00:10:27,453 Speaker 5: As I touched on at the start, I think Green 206 00:10:27,533 --> 00:10:30,253 Speaker 5: and Webster at the start of the very start of 207 00:10:30,293 --> 00:10:32,293 Speaker 5: the summer, we're probably both in the team. You know, 208 00:10:32,453 --> 00:10:34,813 Speaker 5: Green bats at three and Webster comes in at six 209 00:10:34,973 --> 00:10:37,093 Speaker 5: or seven, depending on where they want to do with carry. 210 00:10:37,173 --> 00:10:39,773 Speaker 5: But the way it's worked out with Green not being 211 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:42,613 Speaker 5: able to bowl at all, and the fact that Marnas 212 00:10:42,653 --> 00:10:45,613 Speaker 5: has scored so many runs and you know deserves that 213 00:10:45,733 --> 00:10:48,253 Speaker 5: number three spot, means they can only play one of them. 214 00:10:49,653 --> 00:10:52,333 Speaker 5: And obviously we've got the issue with Pat not being 215 00:10:52,413 --> 00:10:57,893 Speaker 5: fit that they might need some overs. So there's not 216 00:10:58,013 --> 00:10:59,733 Speaker 5: going to be a lot of spin bold I feel 217 00:10:59,773 --> 00:11:02,893 Speaker 5: in this series. I think Nathan Lyon obviously of the 218 00:11:03,333 --> 00:11:05,653 Speaker 5: two teams, is the lead spinner in the series, but 219 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:08,973 Speaker 5: I can't see him having a huge amount of workloads, 220 00:11:08,973 --> 00:11:10,933 Speaker 5: so they're going to need the overs from from Webster. 221 00:11:11,173 --> 00:11:14,413 Speaker 5: So with Green not bowling, you know, I think he's 222 00:11:14,933 --> 00:11:16,693 Speaker 5: as he picked up a little side strain or something 223 00:11:16,733 --> 00:11:18,213 Speaker 5: like that. In the last few weeks he was pulled 224 00:11:18,253 --> 00:11:21,813 Speaker 5: out of Shield game and then then a one day 225 00:11:22,173 --> 00:11:25,653 Speaker 5: the one day series. So yeah, the fact that he 226 00:11:25,733 --> 00:11:27,813 Speaker 5: can't bowl and they're going to need some overs probably 227 00:11:27,893 --> 00:11:30,333 Speaker 5: puts Webster in the in the line about in the 228 00:11:30,373 --> 00:11:30,853 Speaker 5: middle order. 229 00:11:31,613 --> 00:11:36,053 Speaker 3: What about Camen's replacement bowling quite clearly is the man 230 00:11:36,253 --> 00:11:40,853 Speaker 3: that doesn't affect their attech to any great degree. But 231 00:11:41,013 --> 00:11:44,413 Speaker 3: how much is Cummens missed in a leadership role and 232 00:11:44,773 --> 00:11:48,093 Speaker 3: in terms of you know the glue I suppose for 233 00:11:48,453 --> 00:11:49,213 Speaker 3: the bowling. 234 00:11:48,973 --> 00:11:52,533 Speaker 5: Lineup, Well, he's going to be missed, you know. Poland, 235 00:11:53,133 --> 00:11:57,533 Speaker 5: like we've seen, is a quality replacement. And without sounding 236 00:11:57,573 --> 00:12:01,493 Speaker 5: disrespectful to the next crop of bowlers that are going 237 00:12:01,533 --> 00:12:03,093 Speaker 5: to come in because I'll pick a couple of couple 238 00:12:03,133 --> 00:12:06,173 Speaker 5: of backup bowlers, they're not at the same level. You know, 239 00:12:06,333 --> 00:12:09,093 Speaker 5: these the three quicks, they're going to run with them 240 00:12:09,173 --> 00:12:12,133 Speaker 5: and come into the four quicks are once in a 241 00:12:13,333 --> 00:12:15,933 Speaker 5: there are generational bowlers, aren't they like? And their record 242 00:12:16,053 --> 00:12:19,093 Speaker 5: speaks for themselves. I think we go back a little 243 00:12:19,093 --> 00:12:22,293 Speaker 5: bit and it's Michael Messa would be the obvious one. 244 00:12:22,373 --> 00:12:24,293 Speaker 5: He's the one who's always sort of been around that 245 00:12:25,573 --> 00:12:27,573 Speaker 5: Test team, but he's I think he might be thirty 246 00:12:27,613 --> 00:12:31,373 Speaker 5: five now. So Nathan McAndrew is another one who's in 247 00:12:31,453 --> 00:12:34,253 Speaker 5: his early thirties who's been around the Shield for a 248 00:12:34,333 --> 00:12:36,333 Speaker 5: while now, who's I think he might have punched out 249 00:12:36,373 --> 00:12:39,053 Speaker 5: forty wickets bowling for South Australia led them to the 250 00:12:39,093 --> 00:12:43,853 Speaker 5: Shield last year. Xavier Bartlet's another one who they might 251 00:12:43,933 --> 00:12:46,573 Speaker 5: call upon who's played more short form cricket than Shield cricket, 252 00:12:46,653 --> 00:12:49,213 Speaker 5: so I don't know about his workloads. But like I say, 253 00:12:49,253 --> 00:12:53,613 Speaker 5: those three are quality cricketers, but they are a little 254 00:12:53,653 --> 00:12:56,253 Speaker 5: way back from the other quicks as far as the 255 00:12:56,373 --> 00:12:58,813 Speaker 5: leadership goes, I think this Test teams in a really 256 00:12:58,853 --> 00:13:02,373 Speaker 5: good place, like you hear about obviously the post Cape 257 00:13:02,413 --> 00:13:05,533 Speaker 5: Town things got pretty grim for the Australian cricket team 258 00:13:05,573 --> 00:13:09,293 Speaker 5: and it was a long way back, and certainly Pat's 259 00:13:09,493 --> 00:13:12,333 Speaker 5: got his fingerprints all over that culture. Within that change room, 260 00:13:12,453 --> 00:13:15,813 Speaker 5: it's you only hear good things and good vibes, and 261 00:13:15,893 --> 00:13:17,133 Speaker 5: you know they play a lot of golf and they 262 00:13:17,173 --> 00:13:19,453 Speaker 5: cop a lot of criticism for that and there's a 263 00:13:19,493 --> 00:13:21,253 Speaker 5: lot of family time on tour and all that sort 264 00:13:21,253 --> 00:13:22,693 Speaker 5: of stuff. But they back it up with playing some 265 00:13:22,773 --> 00:13:26,093 Speaker 5: really good cricket as well, so it's obviously an enjoyable 266 00:13:26,133 --> 00:13:28,893 Speaker 5: place to be. Pat's going to be around the team. 267 00:13:28,973 --> 00:13:30,813 Speaker 5: I think they're hoping that at some stage he'll come in, 268 00:13:31,213 --> 00:13:33,453 Speaker 5: so he'll still be around. But yeah, obviously going to 269 00:13:34,053 --> 00:13:35,973 Speaker 5: miss a little bit out on the park. Steve Smith's 270 00:13:36,133 --> 00:13:39,653 Speaker 5: a quality captain and a very decent replacement. 271 00:13:40,213 --> 00:13:44,853 Speaker 2: Yep, I agree. I think from my perspective watching from 272 00:13:44,973 --> 00:13:49,453 Speaker 2: here about Ossie play, I think Cummins has done quite 273 00:13:49,493 --> 00:13:52,173 Speaker 2: a bit to tidy up that stuff, you know that 274 00:13:52,373 --> 00:13:55,133 Speaker 2: was going on. I think he plays with a smile. 275 00:13:56,013 --> 00:13:59,413 Speaker 2: I think that's important. He looks like a good guy. 276 00:13:59,613 --> 00:14:02,733 Speaker 2: In other words, you know, he bowls number three, comes 277 00:14:02,813 --> 00:14:05,213 Speaker 2: in when a partnership is building, and breaks. He got 278 00:14:05,253 --> 00:14:08,573 Speaker 2: over three hundred wickets Test wicket setters at twenty odd. 279 00:14:09,533 --> 00:14:12,693 Speaker 2: He's got a good economy rate. He does his job 280 00:14:12,733 --> 00:14:15,693 Speaker 2: and he scores a very hand. He runs at number eight, 281 00:14:15,893 --> 00:14:18,373 Speaker 2: that'll be an issue, I think a little bit, you know, 282 00:14:18,693 --> 00:14:22,173 Speaker 2: for Ossie after carey, it looks a little bit if 283 00:14:22,213 --> 00:14:26,453 Speaker 2: I could say, precarious, just a bit below that, doesn't it. 284 00:14:27,453 --> 00:14:30,773 Speaker 2: But things seem under control with Pat Cummins there. I 285 00:14:30,933 --> 00:14:34,173 Speaker 2: agree with you about Smith. I think he'll be fine. 286 00:14:34,493 --> 00:14:38,893 Speaker 2: Bowling's the obvious replacement they are missing to me. Ji Richardson. 287 00:14:39,453 --> 00:14:42,693 Speaker 2: I think he's a very useful guy coming back from 288 00:14:42,733 --> 00:14:45,573 Speaker 2: a shoulder injury, and I think he might even be 289 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:49,093 Speaker 2: getting close as heavier. I don't know about that, but 290 00:14:49,333 --> 00:14:51,413 Speaker 2: he's he's got a bit of pace about him and 291 00:14:52,053 --> 00:14:54,613 Speaker 2: you know he's short of skiddier kind of bowler too. 292 00:14:55,013 --> 00:14:56,813 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think he was hoping to get 293 00:14:56,853 --> 00:14:58,973 Speaker 5: some sheld cricket in. He's had obviously had a lot 294 00:14:59,013 --> 00:15:00,933 Speaker 5: of shoulder issues. I think he popped his shot her 295 00:15:00,933 --> 00:15:03,253 Speaker 5: out was it last summer or the summer before, just 296 00:15:03,333 --> 00:15:04,093 Speaker 5: doing a high five. 297 00:15:04,293 --> 00:15:06,813 Speaker 4: So he's on his bowling arm as well. 298 00:15:06,893 --> 00:15:09,693 Speaker 5: So he's obviously they love to they'd love to have 299 00:15:09,813 --> 00:15:11,453 Speaker 5: him in the frame, but he's just not going to 300 00:15:11,493 --> 00:15:14,373 Speaker 5: have the workloads under his belt. The WA team were 301 00:15:14,373 --> 00:15:16,853 Speaker 5: in Hobart this week, I didn't he wasn't around the squad, 302 00:15:16,933 --> 00:15:19,693 Speaker 5: so you'd imagine if he was close, he'd at least 303 00:15:20,413 --> 00:15:24,053 Speaker 5: be traveling. Spencer Johnson's another one who's played some short 304 00:15:24,093 --> 00:15:27,733 Speaker 5: form cricket who's he's out for long term. Riley Meredith, 305 00:15:27,733 --> 00:15:32,813 Speaker 5: who's another one that was Yeah, Tim Paine mentioned his 306 00:15:32,973 --> 00:15:33,973 Speaker 5: name during the week. 307 00:15:33,973 --> 00:15:34,533 Speaker 4: We saw him. 308 00:15:34,613 --> 00:15:36,813 Speaker 5: You know, he's someone who can get up into the 309 00:15:36,853 --> 00:15:41,573 Speaker 5: one forties. Again, his consistency and ability to stay on 310 00:15:41,613 --> 00:15:43,453 Speaker 5: the park has been an issue for Riley as well. 311 00:15:43,573 --> 00:15:46,773 Speaker 5: So Nessa's the man I feel that they'll go with. 312 00:15:46,853 --> 00:15:48,653 Speaker 5: He's the safety. You know, they know what they're going 313 00:15:48,693 --> 00:15:52,213 Speaker 5: to get from him. He's got the experience. He's, like 314 00:15:52,293 --> 00:15:54,973 Speaker 5: I said, he's thirty five. It's a big series. You 315 00:15:55,013 --> 00:15:58,253 Speaker 5: don't want to be throwing someone into the mix that 316 00:15:58,413 --> 00:16:01,413 Speaker 5: hasn't got some scars under their belt. I guess, you know, 317 00:16:01,693 --> 00:16:04,373 Speaker 5: they need to be thinking on the run and learning 318 00:16:04,413 --> 00:16:07,173 Speaker 5: on the run, you know, and dealing with this England 319 00:16:07,213 --> 00:16:10,293 Speaker 5: team as it hits them. So I'd be hesitant to 320 00:16:10,373 --> 00:16:13,013 Speaker 5: throwing an inexperienced player. 321 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:14,933 Speaker 4: So which is why I think Nasa will be the 322 00:16:15,013 --> 00:16:16,733 Speaker 4: man who they call upon. 323 00:16:17,573 --> 00:16:20,213 Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to like playing in Australia. I thought 324 00:16:20,253 --> 00:16:23,853 Speaker 2: the pictures and my question, I suppose is regarding home 325 00:16:23,933 --> 00:16:28,813 Speaker 2: advantage a little bit. You know, Optus. I didn't play 326 00:16:28,853 --> 00:16:31,933 Speaker 2: it obviously, but I saw the bounce and the one 327 00:16:32,053 --> 00:16:35,813 Speaker 2: day there a little bit Brizzie. It's the day night 328 00:16:35,933 --> 00:16:38,853 Speaker 2: game there, the pink ball that'll bounce and seem usually 329 00:16:39,133 --> 00:16:40,693 Speaker 2: just a wee bit there in Brisbane. I don't know 330 00:16:40,733 --> 00:16:45,013 Speaker 2: whether that's changed. Adelaide's Flat Melbourne nips a bit nowadays. 331 00:16:45,093 --> 00:16:49,533 Speaker 2: I watched the India stuff there and Sydney. I'm not 332 00:16:49,653 --> 00:16:52,693 Speaker 2: sure it used to spin. You Do you see any 333 00:16:52,733 --> 00:16:54,813 Speaker 2: of that or they just prepare their own pictures? 334 00:16:55,453 --> 00:16:57,173 Speaker 4: No, that that's pretty fair. 335 00:16:57,733 --> 00:17:01,533 Speaker 5: Obviously, the perf pitches is got that has still got that, 336 00:17:01,933 --> 00:17:04,973 Speaker 5: you know, the perf speed and bounce and that sort 337 00:17:05,013 --> 00:17:07,453 Speaker 5: of thing. The Aussies last year got skittled by India 338 00:17:07,613 --> 00:17:09,973 Speaker 5: straight up, which I think hit them between the eyes. 339 00:17:09,973 --> 00:17:11,933 Speaker 4: They weren't expecting that they were. I think they the. 340 00:17:11,933 --> 00:17:14,453 Speaker 5: Australians just expected to roll out to a fast, bouncy 341 00:17:14,493 --> 00:17:18,733 Speaker 5: pitch and roll the the Indians, who would obviously be 342 00:17:18,853 --> 00:17:21,213 Speaker 5: used to slow and low, and that wasn't the case. 343 00:17:21,333 --> 00:17:23,653 Speaker 5: So the Indians came prepared. The English would be the exact, 344 00:17:23,933 --> 00:17:26,573 Speaker 5: you know, exactly the same. They're going to have wood 345 00:17:26,653 --> 00:17:31,093 Speaker 5: and archer and carts and a few others. They're going 346 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:33,813 Speaker 5: to have their quicks ready and ready and going as 347 00:17:33,853 --> 00:17:36,333 Speaker 5: well so Australia's top order, which is why I think 348 00:17:36,373 --> 00:17:38,013 Speaker 5: Weather it's the man. You know, there's going to be 349 00:17:38,053 --> 00:17:40,293 Speaker 5: some short stuff, it's going to be some fast stuff 350 00:17:40,333 --> 00:17:43,373 Speaker 5: you want to I don't think the reverse lap sweep 351 00:17:43,613 --> 00:17:45,973 Speaker 5: as you go to which is which is where Constance 352 00:17:46,093 --> 00:17:48,213 Speaker 5: looks like is you know, I don't think that's going 353 00:17:48,333 --> 00:17:50,653 Speaker 5: to help them on these fast and bouncy wickets. And 354 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:54,733 Speaker 5: then the Brisbane Yeah, pink ball Test matches another interesting one. 355 00:17:55,933 --> 00:17:58,453 Speaker 5: Usually Adelaide get that one and you know it's a 356 00:17:58,573 --> 00:18:00,893 Speaker 5: very even contest. But I think there's there only been 357 00:18:01,533 --> 00:18:03,013 Speaker 5: thinking off the top of my heady, I think there's 358 00:18:03,013 --> 00:18:05,173 Speaker 5: only been one pink ball Test in Brisbane. 359 00:18:06,253 --> 00:18:10,253 Speaker 4: You know you already get the the prodigious, prodigious swing. 360 00:18:10,573 --> 00:18:12,613 Speaker 5: You know, a pink ball in Brisbane, you know, in 361 00:18:12,693 --> 00:18:16,373 Speaker 5: what's going to be late November, early December, very humored. 362 00:18:16,613 --> 00:18:19,293 Speaker 4: That could be a real bowl a paradise. So that 363 00:18:19,453 --> 00:18:20,773 Speaker 4: throws another spanner in the works. 364 00:18:21,293 --> 00:18:24,613 Speaker 2: Who do you see as dangers for England? 365 00:18:24,893 --> 00:18:28,533 Speaker 5: For England, it's the quicks, no doubt, it's the quicks. 366 00:18:28,613 --> 00:18:31,693 Speaker 5: If they can get Archer and Wood, two guys who 367 00:18:31,773 --> 00:18:36,213 Speaker 5: can bowl one hundred will high one forties. Really, I 368 00:18:36,293 --> 00:18:38,613 Speaker 5: think this top order of Australia. You know they've been 369 00:18:38,693 --> 00:18:42,933 Speaker 5: tested before. Kowaja Smith not so much. You know, he 370 00:18:43,733 --> 00:18:45,373 Speaker 5: battles with it, but he finds away. 371 00:18:45,453 --> 00:18:45,733 Speaker 4: Smith. 372 00:18:46,813 --> 00:18:50,093 Speaker 5: Travis Head another one who you know, just stepping back 373 00:18:50,133 --> 00:18:53,373 Speaker 5: and trying to swipe at it on these bigger Australian 374 00:18:53,413 --> 00:18:57,253 Speaker 5: grounds will only work for so long. Webster's a good 375 00:18:57,253 --> 00:19:00,413 Speaker 5: player of the short ball. Marnus is a good player 376 00:19:00,413 --> 00:19:01,733 Speaker 5: of the short ball. But I think I think it's 377 00:19:01,733 --> 00:19:04,973 Speaker 5: the English quicks. I don't think they'll pick a frontline 378 00:19:04,973 --> 00:19:07,333 Speaker 5: spinner England. I think you know, they've brought the sheer 379 00:19:07,413 --> 00:19:11,013 Speaker 5: in their squad, but aside from that, they brought Will Jacks, 380 00:19:11,013 --> 00:19:13,213 Speaker 5: who's more a bad at at Bosom. Off's being Bethel 381 00:19:13,613 --> 00:19:15,253 Speaker 5: is he more a bad at at Bostom left arm 382 00:19:15,293 --> 00:19:17,373 Speaker 5: off is and Joe Rude will play every Test match obviously, 383 00:19:17,413 --> 00:19:20,493 Speaker 5: and he'll his Test records better than part time. So 384 00:19:21,453 --> 00:19:23,133 Speaker 5: I don't think they'll play an off spinner. I think 385 00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:25,453 Speaker 5: they're going to hit Australia with with all out pace. 386 00:19:26,493 --> 00:19:28,253 Speaker 4: So Australia know that, you know. 387 00:19:28,293 --> 00:19:30,253 Speaker 5: I think they they've they've been watching they watch that 388 00:19:30,373 --> 00:19:34,493 Speaker 5: England India series I'm sure during our winter which was 389 00:19:34,493 --> 00:19:37,413 Speaker 5: an absolute belt up, so I think they're going to 390 00:19:37,453 --> 00:19:41,573 Speaker 5: be prepared for what's coming. And yeah, it'll be it'll 391 00:19:41,613 --> 00:19:44,413 Speaker 5: be those those fast you know, the physios and the 392 00:19:44,573 --> 00:19:46,133 Speaker 5: S and C staff of the English team are going 393 00:19:46,173 --> 00:19:48,493 Speaker 5: to have a big saying in the end result. 394 00:19:48,533 --> 00:19:48,813 Speaker 3: I think. 395 00:19:50,773 --> 00:19:55,213 Speaker 2: I agree. The interesting will be for me will be 396 00:19:55,453 --> 00:19:58,933 Speaker 2: Archer against the two lifties at the top because he plays, 397 00:19:59,173 --> 00:20:02,173 Speaker 2: he bowls nicely and he comes round the wicket. He 398 00:20:02,453 --> 00:20:05,213 Speaker 2: likes bowling to lift his He's had good success against them. 399 00:20:05,653 --> 00:20:09,373 Speaker 2: He calls Jay Swell and Punt lots of difficulties in 400 00:20:09,493 --> 00:20:13,653 Speaker 2: that India series and got them out a couple of times, 401 00:20:13,813 --> 00:20:16,173 Speaker 2: both of them. I don't think they'll play a lot 402 00:20:16,253 --> 00:20:18,293 Speaker 2: of bushiere. If they do, I think the ossies all 403 00:20:18,573 --> 00:20:20,773 Speaker 2: they've got to score four to four plus an over 404 00:20:21,853 --> 00:20:24,613 Speaker 2: to place pressure on the on the other England quicks. 405 00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:28,613 Speaker 2: So that'll be that'll be an interesting one to watch, 406 00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:33,773 Speaker 2: I think. And I don't know if to complement Kowaja, 407 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,733 Speaker 2: I mean they say he's resolved in it's a decision. Yeah, 408 00:20:36,773 --> 00:20:40,053 Speaker 2: I guess that's makes sense. Is that A would they 409 00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:42,893 Speaker 2: pick a right hander to go in there with you know, 410 00:20:43,053 --> 00:20:45,213 Speaker 2: with or would they pick a left or a righty 411 00:20:45,533 --> 00:20:48,493 Speaker 2: whose scores maybe a little because he tends to absorb 412 00:20:48,613 --> 00:20:51,493 Speaker 2: bowlers a bit with both thinking whether all there has 413 00:20:51,573 --> 00:20:54,093 Speaker 2: done enough, don't we and he's the age and you've 414 00:20:54,133 --> 00:20:55,293 Speaker 2: mentioned the short ball. 415 00:20:55,653 --> 00:20:58,653 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't think they're in a position where 416 00:20:58,693 --> 00:21:01,093 Speaker 5: they can pick and choose whether it's a writing or 417 00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:04,453 Speaker 5: a lefty. They've just got to go with who's the 418 00:21:04,573 --> 00:21:08,133 Speaker 5: best option and who's going to fit their team best. 419 00:21:08,373 --> 00:21:10,133 Speaker 5: I don't think they can look at the opposition and 420 00:21:11,453 --> 00:21:13,973 Speaker 5: see what they would prefer, because we just don't really 421 00:21:14,053 --> 00:21:16,893 Speaker 5: have that many options, you know, it's it's constant suit. 422 00:21:18,093 --> 00:21:19,973 Speaker 5: At the end of that West Indies series, you say 423 00:21:20,013 --> 00:21:21,693 Speaker 5: he's you know, he's done and dusted, but he's you know, 424 00:21:21,773 --> 00:21:22,893 Speaker 5: scored some Massie a runs. 425 00:21:22,973 --> 00:21:25,293 Speaker 4: He's he's looked okay in the Shield games. Probably just 426 00:21:25,333 --> 00:21:26,053 Speaker 4: doesn't have the numbers. 427 00:21:26,053 --> 00:21:29,133 Speaker 5: He's got two more so you know, maybe things will change, 428 00:21:29,213 --> 00:21:31,853 Speaker 5: But I think they're just in a position where they've 429 00:21:31,853 --> 00:21:33,893 Speaker 5: got to just pick their best options, which in my 430 00:21:34,013 --> 00:21:35,453 Speaker 5: eyes is Jake weather Ord. 431 00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:39,853 Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting stuff to look ahead. If we spoke to 432 00:21:39,933 --> 00:21:42,133 Speaker 3: Glenn McGrath, he would say that Australia are going to 433 00:21:42,173 --> 00:21:44,213 Speaker 3: win five and mill I think he said that just 434 00:21:44,293 --> 00:21:47,493 Speaker 3: about every series that they've played against England. What about 435 00:21:47,613 --> 00:21:49,013 Speaker 3: Xavier Dirty, what does he think? 436 00:21:50,973 --> 00:21:52,973 Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's token from Glen mc graw, isn't it? 437 00:21:52,973 --> 00:21:55,333 Speaker 5: And you all the off field bashing which which is 438 00:21:55,373 --> 00:21:58,253 Speaker 5: about to ramp up, I reckon every past player gets 439 00:21:58,293 --> 00:22:01,093 Speaker 5: to have their say and give their prediction. I think 440 00:22:01,133 --> 00:22:04,373 Speaker 5: it's going to be a much closer Test series than that. 441 00:22:04,573 --> 00:22:06,373 Speaker 5: And like I say, it's going to come down to 442 00:22:06,493 --> 00:22:11,933 Speaker 5: how often England can keep their their big three quicks 443 00:22:12,013 --> 00:22:12,293 Speaker 5: on the. 444 00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,293 Speaker 4: Park, would Casts and and Joff Archard. 445 00:22:15,293 --> 00:22:17,653 Speaker 5: They've got a few other guys who will be role players, 446 00:22:17,693 --> 00:22:20,773 Speaker 5: I feel Tongue and Atkinson and a few others that 447 00:22:20,893 --> 00:22:22,933 Speaker 5: they'll call upon. But it's it's really going to be 448 00:22:23,013 --> 00:22:26,333 Speaker 5: how how much cricket those three big quicks, those three 449 00:22:26,373 --> 00:22:28,093 Speaker 5: guys who can bowl one hundred and forty k an 450 00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:31,813 Speaker 5: hour can play if they can keep them up and firing. 451 00:22:31,893 --> 00:22:35,013 Speaker 5: It's it's it's going to be decided in Melbourne and Sydney. 452 00:22:35,053 --> 00:22:36,413 Speaker 5: I think I think England will pinch at. 453 00:22:36,293 --> 00:22:37,093 Speaker 4: A Test or two. 454 00:22:37,253 --> 00:22:41,493 Speaker 5: I do think Australia. I say they're they're bowling. They're 455 00:22:41,533 --> 00:22:44,013 Speaker 5: no mugs either bowling Hazelood and Stark. You know, I'm 456 00:22:44,013 --> 00:22:46,413 Speaker 5: throwing Webster who's six foot seven and it's got a 457 00:22:46,453 --> 00:22:47,893 Speaker 5: pretty good shield record to go with it. 458 00:22:47,973 --> 00:22:49,093 Speaker 4: And he's done. 459 00:22:49,293 --> 00:22:50,893 Speaker 5: He's done everything that's been asked for him at Test 460 00:22:51,013 --> 00:22:53,373 Speaker 5: level as well taken some handy wickets. So I think 461 00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:58,413 Speaker 5: Australia are the favorites, but I feel like England are 462 00:22:58,453 --> 00:23:01,093 Speaker 5: going to pluck a Test or two and make it 463 00:23:01,173 --> 00:23:04,373 Speaker 5: really interesting, which which is what the cricket fans want 464 00:23:04,413 --> 00:23:05,053 Speaker 5: at the end of the day. 465 00:23:05,053 --> 00:23:06,693 Speaker 4: You know, I'd love to. 466 00:23:06,693 --> 00:23:09,653 Speaker 5: See Australia win five noil, but you, as a cricket fan, 467 00:23:09,693 --> 00:23:10,813 Speaker 5: that'd be pretty boring, I reckon. 468 00:23:12,613 --> 00:23:13,373 Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting. 469 00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:16,213 Speaker 3: Well, we'll have to wait and see that starts towards 470 00:23:16,333 --> 00:23:19,453 Speaker 3: the end of November. Nice to be talking with the 471 00:23:19,533 --> 00:23:23,813 Speaker 3: former Australian spinner Xavierdherity on cricket issues across the Testament. 472 00:23:24,613 --> 00:23:27,093 Speaker 3: One of the things that we're interested in here is 473 00:23:27,413 --> 00:23:30,733 Speaker 3: New Zealand applying or looking to apply to be part 474 00:23:30,893 --> 00:23:35,773 Speaker 3: of the BBL. Should they would Australia have them, want 475 00:23:35,853 --> 00:23:37,973 Speaker 3: them in the Big Bash League? 476 00:23:38,613 --> 00:23:42,053 Speaker 5: Oh for the romance of it, Absolutely like I don't 477 00:23:42,173 --> 00:23:45,373 Speaker 5: honestly know what I'd love to know. The feeling on 478 00:23:45,453 --> 00:23:48,133 Speaker 5: that side of the Tasman is to having a to 479 00:23:48,373 --> 00:23:51,493 Speaker 5: do New Zealand one team in the BBL? Or is 480 00:23:52,653 --> 00:23:54,333 Speaker 5: that an administration thing. 481 00:23:54,253 --> 00:23:54,813 Speaker 4: That they want? 482 00:23:55,013 --> 00:23:57,973 Speaker 5: Is there Honey involved? That would be good for New 483 00:23:58,053 --> 00:24:00,733 Speaker 5: Zealand cricket. I think from the romance point of view, 484 00:24:01,013 --> 00:24:02,733 Speaker 5: I think it'd be great. But what does it take 485 00:24:02,773 --> 00:24:04,973 Speaker 5: away from New Zealand cricket and what do you get 486 00:24:05,013 --> 00:24:05,613 Speaker 5: back in return? 487 00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:09,493 Speaker 4: Would be the big question I feel, Jerry. 488 00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:11,373 Speaker 3: We talked about it last week, didn't we. It's a 489 00:24:11,413 --> 00:24:14,413 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty in terms of people in New Zealand. 490 00:24:14,413 --> 00:24:16,453 Speaker 3: I think, isn't it well? 491 00:24:16,493 --> 00:24:23,053 Speaker 2: It was between us. You were less certain than I was, 492 00:24:24,093 --> 00:24:26,773 Speaker 2: and I can understand that. Yes, it will take a 493 00:24:26,853 --> 00:24:29,973 Speaker 2: few away. I think Xavier a few players we're talking about, 494 00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:35,893 Speaker 2: and does that weaken the domestic competition here too much? 495 00:24:36,773 --> 00:24:40,973 Speaker 2: I personally I'm not with that one quite so much. 496 00:24:41,093 --> 00:24:43,493 Speaker 2: I thought the makeup of a side, if you look 497 00:24:43,533 --> 00:24:47,253 Speaker 2: at it for New Zealand, it would be a composite 498 00:24:47,293 --> 00:24:50,453 Speaker 2: of players. There will be an international component for sure 499 00:24:51,173 --> 00:24:54,213 Speaker 2: every side, and that Xavier seems to have about three 500 00:24:54,333 --> 00:24:58,133 Speaker 2: overseas players, whether they're from England or Pakistan. Is that right? 501 00:24:59,133 --> 00:25:02,253 Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds about right given the availability, which is 502 00:25:02,573 --> 00:25:06,013 Speaker 5: harder and harder to get those real top line stars 503 00:25:06,093 --> 00:25:09,413 Speaker 5: these days with other leagues going on. But yes, there's 504 00:25:09,813 --> 00:25:12,493 Speaker 5: a good tinge of English and Pakistan players just at 505 00:25:12,533 --> 00:25:12,853 Speaker 5: the moment. 506 00:25:12,973 --> 00:25:15,693 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the other components for a New 507 00:25:15,813 --> 00:25:19,893 Speaker 2: Zealand side would be maybe Ozzie might say to us, look, 508 00:25:19,973 --> 00:25:23,213 Speaker 2: we're going to need say three of your top New 509 00:25:23,333 --> 00:25:26,413 Speaker 2: Zealand players. I don't think they'll get all the New 510 00:25:26,493 --> 00:25:30,613 Speaker 2: Zealand Blackcats players from the top side, but there certainly 511 00:25:30,653 --> 00:25:34,653 Speaker 2: could be a number that. You know, we would expect 512 00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:38,253 Speaker 2: this to draw a marquee players, to draw a crowd in, 513 00:25:38,893 --> 00:25:40,853 Speaker 2: and there'll be enough New Zealanders over there. Most of 514 00:25:40,933 --> 00:25:44,533 Speaker 2: us are leaving in droves to come over there. Now. Look, 515 00:25:44,573 --> 00:25:48,453 Speaker 2: there's also going to be some New Zealand players who 516 00:25:48,533 --> 00:25:52,213 Speaker 2: are already playing in the big Bash leagues. You know, 517 00:25:52,453 --> 00:25:56,173 Speaker 2: players like Ferguson and like Adam Milnan, fin Allen and 518 00:25:56,333 --> 00:26:01,413 Speaker 2: Colin Munro Seifer has played there before as well. Maybe Nichsham. 519 00:26:01,773 --> 00:26:05,653 Speaker 2: Those guys on casual contracts here hold casual contracts now 520 00:26:06,173 --> 00:26:09,053 Speaker 2: there maybe four or five of those, So once you 521 00:26:09,133 --> 00:26:14,413 Speaker 2: add in international three, perhaps New Zealand players three, four 522 00:26:14,613 --> 00:26:19,693 Speaker 2: or five players already there from New Zealanders. The rest 523 00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:24,053 Speaker 2: could be a grade players eighteen players, which really for 524 00:26:24,213 --> 00:26:28,453 Speaker 2: me would be the developmental perspective that is of real 525 00:26:28,573 --> 00:26:33,813 Speaker 2: interest for New Zealand in our T twenty. You know, 526 00:26:34,733 --> 00:26:37,893 Speaker 2: perhaps there's a younger Phillips who's an opener coming through. 527 00:26:37,933 --> 00:26:40,413 Speaker 2: There's a guy called Folks, Zach Folks, who's a bowler 528 00:26:40,453 --> 00:26:43,573 Speaker 2: and a bit of a hitterer. There's Muhammada Bas who's 529 00:26:43,613 --> 00:26:47,213 Speaker 2: a middle order batsman and a left armor as well. 530 00:26:47,533 --> 00:26:50,293 Speaker 2: There's Mitch Hay, you know, a wicket keeper and a hitter. 531 00:26:50,693 --> 00:26:54,253 Speaker 2: So there are a few around and it would be okay. 532 00:26:54,413 --> 00:26:56,853 Speaker 2: I think even if we had sixteen or seventeen, we're 533 00:26:56,853 --> 00:26:59,333 Speaker 2: only three hours away. It's only half the flight to purse, 534 00:26:59,773 --> 00:27:04,813 Speaker 2: for Heaven's sake, you know. So I don't see I 535 00:27:04,933 --> 00:27:09,653 Speaker 2: don't see it bleeding our local competition as much as 536 00:27:09,733 --> 00:27:13,853 Speaker 2: some people do. But wat you certainly feel that that's 537 00:27:13,893 --> 00:27:14,813 Speaker 2: a danger, don't you. 538 00:27:15,493 --> 00:27:16,933 Speaker 3: I think it is one of the issues that they 539 00:27:17,013 --> 00:27:19,893 Speaker 3: have to consider. And the cost of course, because they're 540 00:27:19,933 --> 00:27:22,853 Speaker 3: selling the franchises now or they're selling them as franchises now, 541 00:27:22,853 --> 00:27:25,013 Speaker 3: aren't they. And so there's going to be big money 542 00:27:25,053 --> 00:27:27,173 Speaker 3: in terms of buying a big beat league, doesn't it. 543 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:27,853 Speaker 2: No. 544 00:27:28,493 --> 00:27:30,493 Speaker 5: I think that they're working through that, the power brokers 545 00:27:30,493 --> 00:27:33,053 Speaker 5: that enjoy them onto working through that just at the minute, 546 00:27:33,213 --> 00:27:38,453 Speaker 5: how they go about breaking up the teams and become 547 00:27:39,413 --> 00:27:42,893 Speaker 5: privately owned or at least a percentage of it being 548 00:27:42,973 --> 00:27:45,933 Speaker 5: privately owned. And I think that at the end of 549 00:27:45,973 --> 00:27:49,453 Speaker 5: the day will be the decision that's made. What's going 550 00:27:49,533 --> 00:27:52,253 Speaker 5: to line the pockets of cricket Australia the best? And 551 00:27:52,933 --> 00:27:54,533 Speaker 5: is it, like I said at the start, is it 552 00:27:55,053 --> 00:27:57,933 Speaker 5: the romantic side of it of having a new Zealand team, 553 00:27:57,973 --> 00:28:00,973 Speaker 5: in which if you ask the everyday cricket fan in Australia, 554 00:28:01,013 --> 00:28:02,013 Speaker 5: I think they'd love to see that. 555 00:28:02,853 --> 00:28:04,053 Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, they're going to 556 00:28:04,093 --> 00:28:11,413 Speaker 4: want new dollars. I want new viewers, they want new sponsors. 557 00:28:12,053 --> 00:28:15,453 Speaker 5: And you know, if I tend to think that that's 558 00:28:15,493 --> 00:28:17,533 Speaker 5: probably going to come from a different part of the world, 559 00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:22,093 Speaker 5: maybe somewhere in Singapore or or you know, Indonesia somewhere 560 00:28:22,133 --> 00:28:24,253 Speaker 5: around that, which is probably a bit left field as 561 00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:28,133 Speaker 5: far as a cricket sense goes. But if you can 562 00:28:28,213 --> 00:28:31,453 Speaker 5: drag players from from around the world to base them 563 00:28:31,493 --> 00:28:34,453 Speaker 5: in Singapore for six weeks, there won't be an issue 564 00:28:34,573 --> 00:28:37,413 Speaker 5: finding the players and if you can manage there's a 565 00:28:37,453 --> 00:28:39,973 Speaker 5: lot of people that live in that part of the world. Yeah, 566 00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:43,653 Speaker 5: it's not the it's not the mainstream thinking, but it is. 567 00:28:43,853 --> 00:28:46,133 Speaker 5: It is money that talks at the end of the day. 568 00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:49,333 Speaker 5: So it'll be an interesting couple of years to decide 569 00:28:49,373 --> 00:28:51,853 Speaker 5: on what and they have well, they've publicly stated that 570 00:28:51,933 --> 00:28:54,693 Speaker 5: expansions on the cards, so there will be new teams. 571 00:28:55,173 --> 00:28:58,173 Speaker 5: Canbra's an obvious one, but again it doesn't bring new 572 00:28:58,253 --> 00:29:00,493 Speaker 5: viewers in because you know everyone in canber already watches 573 00:29:00,533 --> 00:29:03,653 Speaker 5: the Big Bash. I don't know what the New Zealand 574 00:29:03,693 --> 00:29:06,453 Speaker 5: viewership's like. I'm assuming there's some following of it and 575 00:29:06,893 --> 00:29:09,253 Speaker 5: that'll pick up if there's a local But is it 576 00:29:09,413 --> 00:29:12,253 Speaker 5: enough to to get cricket Australia over the line. 577 00:29:12,773 --> 00:29:16,213 Speaker 3: There's city an interesting factor here in the New Zealand 578 00:29:16,253 --> 00:29:19,213 Speaker 3: and New Zealand cricket. I think they are considering it 579 00:29:19,253 --> 00:29:22,133 Speaker 3: pretty seriously and in the near future we may well 580 00:29:22,253 --> 00:29:26,293 Speaker 3: know what the plans are. Just before we go Xavier 581 00:29:26,613 --> 00:29:30,733 Speaker 3: the Women's World Cup in India. Anybody beat Australia to 582 00:29:30,773 --> 00:29:31,333 Speaker 3: take the title. 583 00:29:32,333 --> 00:29:38,893 Speaker 4: Ah No, I don't think so. No, they've they've been good. Australia. 584 00:29:39,133 --> 00:29:42,293 Speaker 5: Well, it's just it's been as good a campaign as 585 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:44,773 Speaker 5: you could ask for and not but not in the 586 00:29:44,853 --> 00:29:47,093 Speaker 5: sense that they've just come out and dominated. I think 587 00:29:47,173 --> 00:29:50,533 Speaker 5: it's you know they've had they've won every game with 588 00:29:50,653 --> 00:29:53,133 Speaker 5: a what and one washout which everyone's had a washout 589 00:29:53,213 --> 00:29:55,453 Speaker 5: in Schranka by the sound of it. But they've done 590 00:29:55,453 --> 00:29:58,813 Speaker 5: it by using every player on the list. You know, 591 00:29:59,413 --> 00:30:01,773 Speaker 5: the New Zealand game, they were in strife and Gardener 592 00:30:01,813 --> 00:30:03,573 Speaker 5: got one hundred. You know, they end up winning by 593 00:30:03,653 --> 00:30:06,333 Speaker 5: ninety runs. But it wasn't it wasn't you know, the 594 00:30:06,453 --> 00:30:09,693 Speaker 5: Tale of h You know, that wasn't the story. It 595 00:30:09,773 --> 00:30:12,613 Speaker 5: was a pretty far hard fort nine. They beat Pakistan 596 00:30:12,773 --> 00:30:15,173 Speaker 5: who were spirited, and it was it was Mooney and 597 00:30:15,213 --> 00:30:16,933 Speaker 5: Atlanta King who've got the runs in that game. And 598 00:30:17,013 --> 00:30:20,893 Speaker 5: then the best game they chased down two hundred and 599 00:30:20,933 --> 00:30:22,373 Speaker 5: none down so that you know, and. 600 00:30:22,773 --> 00:30:24,413 Speaker 4: He really got the runs. But you know, they've got 601 00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:26,293 Speaker 4: all the all the balls have had a good crack. 602 00:30:26,413 --> 00:30:29,173 Speaker 5: The spinners have taken wickets, so they've they've managed to 603 00:30:29,253 --> 00:30:32,053 Speaker 5: find a way Australia, but you know, not by not 604 00:30:32,133 --> 00:30:33,613 Speaker 5: by dominating from start to finish. 605 00:30:33,733 --> 00:30:36,573 Speaker 4: So they're certainly ticking the boxes. Just at the moment. 606 00:30:36,613 --> 00:30:39,773 Speaker 4: They've got a couple of big games to come, so you're. 607 00:30:39,653 --> 00:30:41,973 Speaker 5: Still a bit to play out, but they've ticked they've 608 00:30:42,013 --> 00:30:43,173 Speaker 5: ticked most of the boxes so far. 609 00:30:43,933 --> 00:30:47,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, unfortunately the weather has had a player in New Zealand. 610 00:30:47,573 --> 00:30:50,533 Speaker 3: Have got to only beat India and England, that's all, 611 00:30:50,773 --> 00:30:53,373 Speaker 3: and they'll be into the last four. 612 00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:56,093 Speaker 4: We will wait and see on. 613 00:30:57,653 --> 00:30:59,253 Speaker 3: Zavier Lovely to head. 614 00:30:59,293 --> 00:31:01,533 Speaker 4: You've got India have got some work to do too, 615 00:31:01,573 --> 00:31:01,973 Speaker 4: haven't they. 616 00:31:02,893 --> 00:31:05,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, I've got to beat New Zealand and Bangladesh, 617 00:31:05,493 --> 00:31:10,053 Speaker 3: so that that is right. Yeah, thanks very much for 618 00:31:10,373 --> 00:31:13,013 Speaker 3: sparing some time, and it's nice to hear your viewpoint 619 00:31:13,133 --> 00:31:16,373 Speaker 3: from across the Testsaman. I hope someday we can catch 620 00:31:16,453 --> 00:31:18,773 Speaker 3: up with you again. You never know, you might have 621 00:31:18,933 --> 00:31:21,813 Speaker 3: the old red card out on the field of play 622 00:31:21,813 --> 00:31:23,333 Speaker 3: and we might have to talk to you about why 623 00:31:23,453 --> 00:31:25,213 Speaker 3: you deliver the red card. 624 00:31:26,973 --> 00:31:30,093 Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, I'll try. You've got one of ours 625 00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:30,893 Speaker 4: over there at the minute. 626 00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:32,893 Speaker 5: So I'll try and get myself on an exchange program 627 00:31:33,013 --> 00:31:35,733 Speaker 5: over there and yeah, start throwing my weight around at 628 00:31:35,773 --> 00:31:36,333 Speaker 5: some stage. 629 00:31:37,133 --> 00:31:39,773 Speaker 4: My pleasure, my player. Always always great to talk cricket. 630 00:31:39,893 --> 00:31:42,973 Speaker 4: And it's a big summer coming up. 631 00:31:44,453 --> 00:31:46,893 Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, thanks mate, Thank you, Jeremy. 632 00:31:48,093 --> 00:31:49,293 Speaker 2: Cheers yeah, cheers mate. 633 00:31:52,413 --> 00:31:52,813 Speaker 4: Summer. 634 00:31:59,613 --> 00:32:02,173 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B, listen live on 635 00:32:02,333 --> 00:32:05,253 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 636 00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:07,893 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on IR Radio