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Speaker 1: Right now, it's ten past four and Dunedin remains in

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon evening, Jack. What's the latest.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for your feedback. Jack.

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Speaker 1: now killed a halo, Jack, So Dame Patsy Ready will

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Speaker 1: You're not terribly surprised, are you?

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Speaker 8: You know, they Scott.

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Speaker 6: Robinson even you know, tried to get and Ropenny's here

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Speaker 1: Easy, easy, finally see I've almost moved on. I'd almost

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack, you called

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Speaker 1: it comes to Casey Costello in his cabinet. Jack, people

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Speaker 1: should be able to make their own choices. Resmoking legislation

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Speaker 1: I think Casey Costello should be ashamed trying to ban

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Speaker 2: News is next. It's almost four thirty with jectame on Newstalks.

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Speaker 9: He'd be.

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Speaker 10: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 5: It's jactame on hither duper see allan drive with one

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Speaker 10: Use talk said b.

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Speaker 9: When your faith and dragging you thank him bound me.

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Speaker 11: When you're riding where you're driving you there's a d bridge.

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Speaker 1: After five o'clock, we're going to take a close to

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Speaker 2: This is really interesting.

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Speaker 1: This is actually one of those things where I think

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Speaker 1: It'd be drive and Israel has continued its strikes in Lebanon.

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Speaker 12: The Israeli Air Force has continued its aerial campaign targeting

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Speaker 1: To the US where former Republican Representative Liz Cheney has

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Speaker 13: I tell you I have never voted for a Democrat,

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Speaker 13: A former president who attempted to stay in power by

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Speaker 8: They have no idea what the hell they're doing. We

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Speaker 4: We took care of.

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Speaker 9: People like and I was on the phone.

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Speaker 9: They hate my guts.

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Speaker 8: To this day, they write books about me.

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Speaker 14: I'm the worst human being there've ever but they got

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Speaker 2: And finally your ATENSI and flee. I have you please?

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Speaker 1: Ohlia, what a jam? Slim Shady is about to become

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Speaker 1: a grandfather. The fifty one year old Yes, let that

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Speaker 5: And then international correspondence with ends an eye insurance feace

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Speaker 2: The US corresponding Ms. McCann is what us now, Kyoda?

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Speaker 15: Good afternoon, Jack.

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Speaker 2: So, more than two.

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Speaker 1: Hundred people are now known to have died as a

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Speaker 15: Yeah, this is still a developing situation, Jack. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 15: Donald Trump boasted about his role in overturning Roe v. Way,

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, CNN has reached out to Millennia Trump's book publisher

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Speaker 15: They certainly did. They said they've been talking for weeks

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Speaker 15: jack for days later, when CNN followed up looking to

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Speaker 1: All right, Hey, thanks for that, Mitch. We appreciate it that,

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Speaker 1: those who remain and at this stage almost all of

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Speaker 1: them want to stay in Lebanon. Their advice to New

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Speaker 1: Zealanders hasn't changed. They don't want key he's going to Lebanon,

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Speaker 1: Israel or Iran. If you're there, they say you should

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Speaker 1: leave now. New Zealanders should register on Safe travel. It

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Speaker 1: is very tricky geographically, of course, because I mean Beirut

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Speaker 1: is sort of in the middle of Lebanon on the coast,

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Speaker 1: but the southern border with Israel is completely closed and

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Speaker 1: with the goal on height, it's completely closed. Syria is

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Speaker 1: the other shares the other border with Lebanon as well.

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Speaker 1: I've flown into that airport a few times, or I've

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Speaker 1: flown into that airport in Beirut before, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of these strikes in Israel overnight, we're pretty close to

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Speaker 1: the international airport. So for those who are lucky enough

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Speaker 1: to get flights. It is still an extremely hair raising

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Speaker 1: experience flying out of that international airport. Right now, we'll

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Speaker 1: tell you a bit more about that after five point

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Speaker 1: thirty tonight.

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Speaker 2: Right now it's eighteen to five.

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Speaker 1: Certainty and with us now as New Zealand Herald Deputy

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Speaker 1: Political eddit the Little Deputy Political editor Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Coglan cant of Thomas kilder Jack.

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Speaker 1: So a big school property announcement today from the government.

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Speaker 1: The management, the development, the maintenance of school properties is

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Speaker 1: no longer going to be the responsibility of the Ministry

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Speaker 1: of Education.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So this sort of built on the announcement earlier

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Speaker 4: in the year that the school property pipelines billions of

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Speaker 4: dollars of money is spent on building new classrooms and

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Speaker 4: upgrading existing ones. That the government got into office and

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Speaker 4: found that those classrooms were not on budget, were not

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Speaker 4: on schedules, So they commissioned to review former former Foreign Minister,

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Speaker 4: former long standing nationally and Pe Murray McCully read that,

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Speaker 4: read that review, and he's concluded that the Ministry of

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Speaker 4: Education is not best placed to manage school property and

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Speaker 4: and has recommended it a separate agency be created. That

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Speaker 4: the structure of this is sort of up in the

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Speaker 4: year at the moment, could be se schedule for Crown

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Speaker 4: Company or whatever. Anything from Kying or tv Z could

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Speaker 4: be the template. So but but that that that will

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Speaker 4: then manage the school properly and not the school properly

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Speaker 4: builded and not the Ministry of Education, which which he

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Speaker 4: has concluded is probably the best method for ensuring it

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Speaker 4: stays on time and on budget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds quite reasonable, does it not?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Today, I mean and it does sound quite reasonable.

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Speaker 4: I must say I wasn't actually aware that the school

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Speaker 4: that the Ministry of Education had been doing such a

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Speaker 4: tough job, a poor job, until until the government sort

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Speaker 4: of blew the whistle on it on coming into office.

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Speaker 4: Eric Stanford today. Actually interestingly enough that the Ministry Education

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Speaker 4: has started to proactively look into this before the change

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Speaker 4: of government. So it looks like there was a sort

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Speaker 4: of almost something something approaching a consensus that that there

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Speaker 4: was a problem a problem there. That does seem reasonable.

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Speaker 4: I think overseas in the health space, it's not uncommon

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Speaker 4: for the management of health assets to be split out

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Speaker 4: into syburgencies. I think that's what's done in some states

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Speaker 4: in Australia. Makes sense that these are some of the

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Speaker 4: largest property developers in the country. You know that the

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Speaker 4: school property estate is massive, and perhaps it's not best

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Speaker 4: placed within the Ministry of Education, which is sort of

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Speaker 4: the agency that oversees what happens in classrooms run the

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Speaker 4: building for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've just just go through some of

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Speaker 1: the details in the report.

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Speaker 7: I mean some.

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Speaker 1: Forecast suggests that the cost of building a new classroom

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Speaker 1: could be learn to about one point eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: for a single classroom within a few years. I mean

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Speaker 1: that is just not that's not going to be sustainable, clearly.

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Speaker 4: No, certainly not. I think there is something like half

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Speaker 4: a million students that go through primary and secondary school

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Speaker 4: at the moment. You can't. Yeah, I mean that's sort

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Speaker 4: of a related piece about why it got so much

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Speaker 4: to build anything in this country. But christ Bishop and

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Speaker 4: Eric Stanford, the two ministers in charge of this, were

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Speaker 4: out the modular construction facility in the Hut today and

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Speaker 4: they were sort of saying part of this would be

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Speaker 4: would be moving towards modular construction, which sounds like the

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Speaker 4: government is doing and actually to be feared. The last

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Speaker 4: government they were looking at that as well, and that

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Speaker 4: would bring the build down to a few hundred thousand dollars,

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Speaker 4: which seems much more reasonable. It just means building to

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Speaker 4: more of the template. But I mean, that doesn't seem

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Speaker 4: like a terrible departure from our history.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think when I went to primary school, I studied

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Speaker 4: in the classroom that looks basically like every other classroom

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Speaker 4: in New Zealand. There seems to be a template for

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Speaker 4: some time there, but perhaps whatever reason, we moved away

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Speaker 4: from it in the last one or so years.

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Speaker 2: Did you have the old radiators, Yes, I did.

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Speaker 4: Then then the sound they made in the morning, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that I associate that with winter, the sound of those

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Speaker 4: radiators them on so late. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I just have these memories of like getting into class

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Speaker 1: early so that I could try and get a seat

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Speaker 1: next to the window and cut up next to radiator,

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Speaker 1: and then putting my hand on the radiator and realizing

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Speaker 1: that there was warm chewing gum and.

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Speaker 4: Just yes, yeah, yes, I can actually feel that, I

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Speaker 4: can viscerally remember the very same sensation. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Now, speaking of building things more efficiently and hopefully more cheaply.

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Speaker 1: Another big announcement from the government about underwrite underwriting housing developers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is an interesting one. One of the problems

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Speaker 4: that we had, you know, one of the one of

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Speaker 4: the causes we think of the housing crisis was that

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Speaker 4: during the financial crisis, developers, which which you know that

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Speaker 4: the the the cork bobbing on top of the ocean

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Speaker 4: that is the economy. Uh, they really took a bath

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Speaker 4: during the financial crisis and completely destroyed the property sort

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Speaker 4: of development industry and a lot of that skilled labor

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Speaker 4: just left to Australia and that meant that when the

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Speaker 4: economy turned around, it took so long for developers to

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Speaker 4: follow suit, and we never took many many years to

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Speaker 4: recover that development capacity to actually build the houses that

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Speaker 4: we were that we needed. So we were we were

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Speaker 4: developing houses much with a massive leg on where the

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Speaker 4: population was was going. Labor looked at that with the

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Speaker 4: Kiwi Bill program and then another underwrite program, but that

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Speaker 4: was meant to ensure that when the economy eventually hit

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Speaker 4: the skids, as it does from time to time, the

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Speaker 4: government would step in and underwrite a whole lot of

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Speaker 4: developments to ensure that the development industry and the labor

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Speaker 4: associated where it stayed in the country and didn't go

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Speaker 4: to Australia, and that we continued building houses because you know,

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Speaker 4: Lord knows we need them. National criticized that a lot

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Speaker 4: of opposition has come into office and and you know,

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Speaker 4: developers are once again hitting the skids because we're in

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Speaker 4: a high interest rate environment. No one wants to lend

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Speaker 4: money to a property developer at the moment, so they've

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Speaker 4: borrowed the same policy and it basically means that the government,

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Speaker 4: you know, the government might actually spending of this money.

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Speaker 4: It might not, it might not actually end up having

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Speaker 4: the developers might not need to end up calling on

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Speaker 4: the underwrite. But because the underwrite is there, it means

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Speaker 4: that they can go and knock on the door of

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Speaker 4: a bank and say, hey, look, the government's agreed to

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Speaker 4: buy a certain portion of these houses in this development.

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Speaker 4: If the development is unable to sell them, can you

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Speaker 4: lean us money? And because of that underwrite, the bank's

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Speaker 4: much more likely to use. So it's it's something that

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Speaker 4: both sides of the house I think has has merit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is it the sort of thing that's going to

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Speaker 1: have a significant uptake because it only applies to developments

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Speaker 1: more than thirty houses, right that.

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Speaker 4: It is right? And I asked on christ Bishop today

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Speaker 4: about how much money has been set aside for it's

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Speaker 4: only one hundred and thirty million dollars from one of

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Speaker 4: the pots of money. There's another pot of money which

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Speaker 4: that they haven't specified how much is in that the

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Speaker 4: k WE built side of things, because the KII built

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Speaker 4: side is still wrapping up some of the key build underwrights. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so there's a bit of a handing of the passing

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Speaker 4: of the boton here from one underwrite scheme to another.

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Speaker 4: But no, I think it is quite limited. So that

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Speaker 4: will be the real the you'll test of it. Of course,

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Speaker 4: I imagine if if a lot of it gets called

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Speaker 4: on and it shows that there is merit to the

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Speaker 4: merrit to the proposal, the government might appropriate more money

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Speaker 4: for it. But of course you know that that that's

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Speaker 4: a real sort of political challenge because then you really

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Speaker 4: are borrowing hundreds of millions of dollars and handing it

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Speaker 4: to properly developers. On the other side, the government then

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Speaker 4: sells the houses, so you know there's a deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the sense I get looking at the look at

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Speaker 1: looking at things from the outside. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: combine measures like this alongside the planning changes and the

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Speaker 1: incentives that Housing Minister Chris Bishop is trying to put

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Speaker 1: and he's really pulling a whole range of different leads

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Speaker 1: to try and speed up the housing supply.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes he is. And it's the irony is that

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Speaker 4: a lot of the leaders were labor leader leaders. The

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Speaker 4: housing supply stuff was you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: labor stuff in there too, and this underwrite stuff is also,

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Speaker 4: you know, has some bipartisan support. I think that that

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Speaker 4: actually shows there's a lot of well, it gives Chris

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Speaker 4: a lot of cover because obviously labor with cub build

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Speaker 4: and although you know, a cube build a massive problems

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Speaker 4: which we don't need to religate, but but La Labor

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Speaker 4: got into a lot of political trouble with some of

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Speaker 4: these things. Now there is a bit of a bipartisans

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Speaker 4: there's a there's a there's a cover there. Although it

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Speaker 4: is quite challenging with you know, the government trying to

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Speaker 4: at once make housing more affordable and therefore cheaper, but

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Speaker 4: at the same time trying to encourage people to enter

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Speaker 4: the market and to actually buy these houses. You know,

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Speaker 4: you tend not to buy something if you know that

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Speaker 4: the value of it it's not it's not going to sustain. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: there's challenges. It's one of the reasons why this is

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Speaker 4: such a vexed issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, thanks Thomas. I appreciate as ever there is.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Herald Deputy Political Editor, Thomas Coglan, thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for your feedback.

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Speaker 4: Good news.

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Speaker 1: Can you just take me to say, Jack, those radiators

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Speaker 1: are still there. That's fantastic, six to five, straight.

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Speaker 7: Talk, sharp inside and communicating with the community through social

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Speaker 7: media and other channels.

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Speaker 1: Off the back of those self evacuations, how long are

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Speaker 1: you expecting people will remain unable to return to their homes.

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Speaker 7: Look, that's probably a question for the coming days. We

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Speaker 7: really do need the rain to stop. We need the

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Speaker 7: ability to really get in and assess the damage once

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Speaker 7: things things dry up. So it's probably not something I

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Speaker 7: can answer today, right.

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Speaker 1: But it's likely, for example, that those people who've self

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Speaker 1: evacuated over the last twenty four hours won't be returning

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Speaker 1: to their homes tonight.

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Speaker 7: Look if those addresses are underwater, Yeah, that's entirely the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what areas have been worse so far.

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Speaker 7: Look, certainly areas of South Dunedin, areas within Cluther as well,

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Speaker 7: any of those low lying areas have been significantly impacted.

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Speaker 7: We've got areas particularly around Via the Peninsula and Dunedin

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Speaker 7: as well with slips that have caused some significant disruptions

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Speaker 7: to the community there.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have you been pleased with the government response so far?

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Speaker 7: Look, it's been excellent, it's been really responsive. So yes,

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Speaker 7: very happy with that.

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Speaker 2: What's concerning you most for the time being.

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Speaker 7: Look, as we said, we've got some peak rain to

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Speaker 7: come through. We're monitoring to collect the river closely at

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Speaker 7: the moment, particularly as it relates to bell Kluther. We're

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Speaker 7: expecting peak throws for the river to come through at

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Speaker 7: between sort of two am to eight am tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 2: And is it likely that.

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Speaker 1: Even once the rain stops, the slips and damage to

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Speaker 1: roads is going to hamper your recovery efforts.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Look, this is significant efforts needed. Just for your information,

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Speaker 7: the State Highway One, both north and south of the

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Speaker 7: need And will remain closed overnight and we'll be looking

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Speaker 7: at reassessing that within the TA this thing in the morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, give us the other safety messages for anyone

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Speaker 1: in the affected region.

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Speaker 2: What do you need them to do overnight?

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Speaker 7: Look, if there's a road closer sign up, please please

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Speaker 7: here to it. We're getting a lot of reports of

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Speaker 7: people taking risks driving through closures. You're just creating additional

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Speaker 7: additional headaches for response staff who need to focus their

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Speaker 7: efforts elsewhere. So please, if you see a road closure sign,

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Speaker 7: adhere to it and stop your travel wherever wherever that

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Speaker 7: sign is. Please be vigilant, keep yourself safe, check on

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Speaker 7: your neighbors, look after each other. If you do feel threatened,

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Speaker 7: or if you feel like water is coming in your direction. Again,

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Speaker 7: don't wait to be told, make the decision and move.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Matt, just very quickly, you said that you're getting

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Speaker 1: a lot of reports of people ignoring those road close

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Speaker 1: signs at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's a real issue for us at the moment.

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Speaker 7: We've had reports from the emergency services both in Dunedin

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Speaker 7: and belk Luther with with the amount of road closures

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Speaker 7: we've got and people not adhering to those signs. So

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Speaker 7: please really do a pleat motoris out there that if

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Speaker 7: you see the signs up, just stop your travel there,

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Speaker 7: turn around to where it to you've sort of you

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Speaker 7: started your travel and just wait for those roads to

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Speaker 7: open when they open.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks for your time, Matt, good luck tonight.

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Speaker 1: That is the Emergency Management Group Controller for Otago, Matt

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Speaker 1: Ally Jack dam Well. The government has announced a new

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Speaker 1: support system for the residential construction market doing it tough

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Speaker 1: in the current economic climate. So the government's going to

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Speaker 1: step in an underwrite construction on private homes, enabling large

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Speaker 1: developers so with homes of more developments of more than

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Speaker 1: thirty homes to access the finance needed to deliver houses

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Speaker 1: on time. David Whitburn's a professional property developer and investor

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Speaker 1: enders with us this evening.

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Speaker 2: Hi, David killer Jack, what do you think of this idea?

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Speaker 16: I think it's a good idea. It is a little

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Speaker 16: bit of tinkering with an existing scheme that we've had

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Speaker 16: from the previous government. But the reality is there are

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Speaker 16: a lot of construction workers that are doing it tough

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Speaker 16: at the moment, some said be going overseas, particularly to Australia.

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Speaker 16: So it's a good idea to make sure that the

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Speaker 16: housing demand is smoothed out and not so cyclical a nature.

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Speaker 2: How's it you're going to work.

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Speaker 16: We need to get a little bit more detailed virtually

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Speaker 16: from the government to do it, because I can see

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Speaker 16: that it seems to apply peraps to a luxury housing

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Speaker 16: development in Wahiki Island or in perhaps the Queenstown Lakes

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Speaker 16: district for three million dollars. So I'd like to know

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Speaker 16: if there's a price cap or not. Right now there

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Speaker 16: doesn't seem to be. But in principle and underwrite works

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Speaker 16: whereby you go up to market typically to attain construction funds,

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Speaker 16: and you need to get a certain level of presales

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Speaker 16: to give the lenders confidence in your project. So the

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Speaker 16: underwrights there if you don't get those sales, so then

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Speaker 16: you're able to go ahead with confidence because they will

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Speaker 16: go to the underwriter in this case the government if

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Speaker 16: the sales don't come through. So the idea is to

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Speaker 16: get qualified developers that know what they're doing, not the

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Speaker 16: devail types. So there will have to be a little

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Speaker 16: bit of a watch on that and to make sure

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Speaker 16: that there are areas of relevance because we did have

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Speaker 16: some challenges with can we build building sort of around

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Speaker 16: like how we are too far away from where the infrastructure,

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Speaker 16: where the population and employment sources were.

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Speaker 2: So what difference will this make to developers?

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Speaker 16: It means that I am my colleagues will actually be

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Speaker 16: able to go ahead with projects because we need to

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Speaker 16: give the lenders confidence that their loans will be repaid.

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Speaker 16: In the market where often the new builds have come

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Speaker 16: sort of fifteen percent sometimes more off the boil from

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Speaker 16: the twenty twenty two highs, we're able to actually get

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Speaker 16: the hardest thing done, get that get those pre sells,

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Speaker 16: so it gives us instead of getting those pre cells,

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Speaker 16: we use the underwrite, so there's some real value. It

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Speaker 16: gives financial certainty that the project's ready to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think the government at the stage is

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Speaker 1: the first sum of money that has been put aside

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Speaker 1: for this is I think just under two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So what kind of difference would a some like that

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Speaker 1: make in terms of developments in the context of New

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Speaker 1: Zealand's housing shortage.

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Speaker 16: Absolutely it'll make us small the internet. The last I

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Speaker 16: completed just before Christmas was seventy four terist houses in

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Speaker 16: west Auckland, and that was around fifty million dollars sold.

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Speaker 16: Four of them were about three, so about three hundred,

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Speaker 16: so two hundred million would cover just four of them,

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Speaker 16: so that's three hundred houses that are sort of two

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Speaker 16: three bedrooms predominantly. So that's just that's a little bit

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Speaker 16: of a concern because is the underwriter ninety percent ninety

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Speaker 16: five percent of the true value? It shouldn't really be

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Speaker 16: at one hundred percent because then the taxpayers taking all

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Speaker 16: the risk for me making that private profit if I

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Speaker 16: was to know it on the commercial source, and that's

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Speaker 16: very rare to do, so it's more typically in the

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Speaker 16: seventy to eighty percent range the underwrite and there is

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Speaker 16: a fee that itsts for that. So government underwrights tend

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Speaker 16: to be a little bit on the generous side. So

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Speaker 16: it does need to be some commercial acumen and the

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Speaker 16: right people in place to actually best assess that to

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Speaker 16: protect the taxpayers. So I do have some concerns in

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Speaker 16: that area.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like you said, the detail is going

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Speaker 1: to be critical here. Thanks David Dave Whipman, who's a

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Speaker 1: professional property developer and investor. And just to be totally clear,

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Speaker 1: the government says that there is going to be another

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Speaker 1: source of money as well, So we're still waiting on

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Speaker 1: all of the information on that. After six o'clock on

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Speaker 1: Newstalk's EDB remarkable positioning from Google at the moment as

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Speaker 1: it's negotiating over the future of media laws in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: So it's effectively threatening to blow up some of its

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Speaker 1: New Zealand news agreements that are currently in place and

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Speaker 1: then remove any ability for Google users to find local

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Speaker 1: news on its search engine, which would be extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: So anyway, we're going to tell you a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about why Google is taking that position and could

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Speaker 1: what it could mean for the future of news in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand very shortly. Right now, it is sixteen past

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Speaker 1: five on Newstalks EDB. Newstalk's EDB eighteen minutes past five.

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Speaker 1: Big news out of New Zealand Rugby today. So Dame

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Speaker 1: Patsy Ready, the chair of New Zealand Rugby, has announced

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be seeking reappointment to the board.

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Speaker 1: We're going to tell you a bit more about that

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Speaker 1: before six o'clock. Obviously, New Zealand Rugby has had a

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Speaker 1: lot of debate its governance structure, the division with some

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Speaker 1: of the provincial unions, or disputes between some of the

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Speaker 1: provincial unions as well. So anyway, we will take a

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Speaker 1: close look at what it's going to mean for the

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Speaker 1: future of New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Rugby very soon.

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Speaker 1: Right now though nineteen past five on newstalk s he'd

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Speaker 1: b and Ryan Air has caused a bit of a

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Speaker 1: stir in the UK. So from May next year passengers

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Speaker 1: are going to need to check in by smartphone. Only

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Speaker 1: that means they're no longer going to be able to

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Speaker 1: physically check in at a counter at the airport and

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Speaker 1: get that little piece of paper. Currently sixty percent of

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Speaker 1: their customers check in online, but those who don't face

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Speaker 1: a charge of about ninety seven New Zealand dollars. Surely

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Speaker 1: that's not right. That seems too expensive anyway. Is this

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the future, at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: end for the in person check ins for all passengers?

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Speaker 1: Irene King Aviation commentators with us this evening, Kilder Irene,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this move?

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Speaker 17: Well, I think you summed it up as the future

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Speaker 17: and really, as a customer or want to do is

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Speaker 17: get on an aircraft and you know, I don't want

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Speaker 17: to be intercepted by having to check and you know,

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Speaker 17: drop your bags all of that sort of stuff. You

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Speaker 17: just want to really turn up and get on board

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Speaker 17: and go. So I think, you know, Ryan here, it's

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Speaker 17: always been pretty cutting each and on's doing. And if

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Speaker 17: you look at it, it's very sensible for that company.

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Speaker 17: I mean, if you've got to have a person to

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Speaker 17: person encounter, it's going to cost you a lot more money,

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Speaker 17: ye yourself.

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Speaker 1: I mean, surely it's more convenient. I just I mean

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Speaker 1: I have to travel. It's just way more convenient to

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Speaker 1: checking online, isn't it?

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Speaker 17: Absolutely? Absolutely? And you know to carry your phone with

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Speaker 17: you also, your phone have tracking devices and they can

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Speaker 17: see where you are in the terminal and you know,

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Speaker 17: particularly if you're running late for a flight, they can

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Speaker 17: you know, sush you along.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean certainly they've been going this way for

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Speaker 1: some time. I just cannot believe there are people who

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Speaker 1: are prepared to pay ninety seven dollars to check it

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Speaker 1: in person.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that's how they get you though,

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Speaker 2: That's how they get you, Irene.

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Speaker 1: You know they do that and then there's the extra

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Speaker 1: excess bad thing. And then this is how Ryaney makes

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Speaker 1: their money, right yep.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, you know it's called sort of byproduct pricing in Ryane.

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Speaker 17: That's how they make the money.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely totally.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the big question is what it'll mean for

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Speaker 1: people who don't have smartphones, people who aren't quite so

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Speaker 1: digitally capable, maybe some older passengers who don't feel quite

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Speaker 1: comfortable checking in. What's going to mean for those passengers.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, well you've got a choice, Thank goodness. You know,

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Speaker 17: you can go with somebody else other than Ryannie. You know,

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Speaker 17: I think that they will be a bit of nervousness,

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Speaker 17: But do it the first time, do it the second

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Speaker 17: time and you'll be sweet good to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, Thanks for your time. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That as Irene King, aviation commentator. Right now, it's twenty

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Speaker 1: one past five.

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Speaker 5: The day's newsweakers talk to Jack first, Jack dame on

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Speaker 5: here the duplessy Eland drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 5: get connected and use talk.

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Speaker 1: As said be, I think it's been inevitable for months

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Speaker 1: now that the Ministry of Education would lose responsibility for

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Speaker 1: building and maintaining schools, and at first glance, the government's

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Speaker 1: onto a winner with its alternative plan. So the review

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Speaker 1: into the state of school facilities shows only a third

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Speaker 1: of the almost five hundred building projects in the Ministry

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Speaker 1: of Education Q have been fully funded and concludes that

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Speaker 1: the average cost of a new classroom could rise to

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Speaker 1: one point eight million dollars over the next few years.

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Speaker 1: That's not a classroom block, that's a single classroom. One

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Speaker 1: point eight million dollars. That is unsustainable, says the report,

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Speaker 1: quote unquote, And if indeed that price is accurate, you

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Speaker 1: would have to be I think crazy to disagree. One

879
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Speaker 1: point eight million is fascical. Now, obviously, not every school

880
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Speaker 1: is the same. There are different environmental, geological, topographical challenges

881
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Speaker 1: that distinguish different locations. And no one is expecting a

882
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent standardized building model for every single classroom

883
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Speaker 1: across the country. But a greater degree of standardization makes sense,

884
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Speaker 1: of course it does, and more than anything, a new

885
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Speaker 1: system might allow for that most important quality, transparency. See

886
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Speaker 1: At the moment, it is not always clear why some

887
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Speaker 1: school builds are prioritized over others. Schools are pushed up

888
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Speaker 1: and down the list at the mercy of political and

889
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Speaker 1: whatever other whims, and that can't continue. Schools and school

890
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: communities need clarity, They need certainty in any system that

891
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: can provide that while improving our classroom stock and improving

892
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: the learning environments for our kids has got to be

893
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Speaker 1: a good thing. Jack j ninety two ninety two is

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Speaker 1: our text number. If you want to send me a message,

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Speaker 1: you can email me as well. Jacket, newstalk s headb

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Speaker 1: dot co dot Nz. Jack regarding the government's plan to

897
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Speaker 1: underwrite some property development. I'm trying to sell my property.

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Speaker 1: Is the government I e us also going to give

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Speaker 1: me backing if I can't find a buyer, Jack regarding

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Speaker 1: the plans with Ryan. If you're traveling with kids, you've

901
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Speaker 1: got extra car seats, et cetera, then it is often

902
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Speaker 1: not straightforward checking in at the kiosks or checking in online.

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Speaker 1: It can't does certainly get fiddley the moment you involve

904
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Speaker 1: kids with anything when it comes to travel, Jack, I

905
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Speaker 1: think that model will only work for low cost point

906
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Speaker 1: to point carriers like ryanire so carriers that don't have

907
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Speaker 1: connections that follow once you reach a first destination. It

908
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Speaker 1: would be an absolute nightmare with no check on an

909
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Speaker 1: airline staff if anything went wrong and then you had

910
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Speaker 1: complex itineries where people needed.

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Speaker 2: To change things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty fair point, to be honest, though,

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Speaker 1: I just can't believe that anyone would be paying fifty

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Speaker 1: five pound ninety seven New Zealand dollars in order to

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Speaker 1: check in in person as it stands. But anyway, before

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Speaker 1: six o'clock we'll take a close look at Dame Pats.

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Speaker 1: You're ready announcing she's not going to stand for chair

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Speaker 1: of New Zealand Rugby's board. Plus the sports huddle will

919
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Speaker 1: be in to look at the weekend ahead. It's five

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Speaker 1: point thirty. You with Jack Tame on News doorgs d.

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Speaker 10: The name you trust to get the answers you need?

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Speaker 5: Jack tam On, Heather Dupless Allen drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: Let's get connected a news talk as said be remember

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Speaker 5: we were trying driving in your car speeds for fast

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Speaker 5: Feller drum. Seriously, I'm force in your arm fell and

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Speaker 5: trap around.

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Speaker 2: My news talks be you are, Jack Tame.

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Speaker 1: We've got the sports huddle coming up before six o'clock

929
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Speaker 1: will take a closer look at the allegations leveled against

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Speaker 1: former Wallabies coach Michael Checker. So he's facing a band

931
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Speaker 1: after a doctor said he was passive aggressive and the

932
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Speaker 1: doctor said that he was left shaken after Michael Checker

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Speaker 1: made quote intense eye contact with him. Yeah, So anyway

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Speaker 1: we'll tell you a little bit more that situation before

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Speaker 1: six o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's twenty five to six.

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Speaker 1: Jack Team, and big news today from New Zealand Rugby

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Speaker 1: board cheer Dame Patsy Reddy has announced you will not

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Speaker 1: be seeking reappointment to the ends at our board, said

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Speaker 1: to because system with her stance on the government the

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Speaker 1: governance reform which made headlines earlier this year. So stakeholders

942
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Speaker 1: are currently implementing a new governance framework and appointment process.

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Speaker 1: Dame Fara Palmer is inza's deputy chair and is with

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Speaker 1: us this evening, Kelda, good evening. So why is Dame

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Speaker 1: Petsy ready not going to stand for reappointment.

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Speaker 18: I think for her it was you know, it was

947
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Speaker 18: a difficult decision to make, but I think she made

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Speaker 18: the right decision in terms of doing what's best for

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Speaker 18: New Zealand Rugby, and that's stepping aside of the chair

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Speaker 18: so that this governance review can happen in a way

951
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Speaker 18: that is perceived to be clear of any bias or

952
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Speaker 18: any any precanci ideas about who potentially will be putting

953
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Speaker 18: their names force for the appointment's remuneration panel and also

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Speaker 18: for the board. So yeah, we were going to miss

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Speaker 18: her strong leadership, but I think she's shined some strong

956
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Speaker 18: leadership by stepping aside and allowing this process to continue

957
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Speaker 18: and still playing a key role in that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you talking about perceptions of neutrality there,

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Speaker 1: So what would her staying on in that role mean

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Speaker 1: for those perceptions of neutrality.

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Speaker 18: I think for her it was just trying to say,

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Speaker 18: you know, we're in the process at the moment. It's

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Speaker 18: been a long process and you know this govern interview

964
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Speaker 18: happened quite a while ago, and everyone knows that there's

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Speaker 18: been some challenges along the way. But I think for

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Speaker 18: Dame Patsy, it was doing what was right for the process.

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Speaker 18: And we are going to be part of our working

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Speaker 18: groups for the New Zealand Rugby Board, so myself, our President,

969
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Speaker 18: Matthew Cooper, and Dame Patsy and we'll decide who our

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Speaker 18: board representative will be on this appointment panel and will

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Speaker 18: also assist with the stuff called a panel in terms

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Speaker 18: of how can we put a really good appointment panel

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Speaker 18: together so that we can ensure that we'll have a

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Speaker 18: great board going forward.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she's been well supported during her time

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Speaker 1: as board chair?

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Speaker 18: So I think she's had some challenges. You know, this

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Speaker 18: is the biggest significant transformation for rugby governance in many years.

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Speaker 18: You know, it's the first time we're actually advocating for

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Speaker 18: a fully independent board. So yeah, she has been challenged

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Speaker 18: along the way, but you know, she's a strong person.

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Speaker 18: She's you know, she's a businesswoman, she's a lawyer, she's

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Speaker 18: a student, she's been the governor general. So she has

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Speaker 18: demonstrated really strong, value driven leadership and I think she's

985
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Speaker 18: been great met with that and she will be missed.

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Speaker 18: You know, it's been great having a working there in

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Speaker 18: a leadership role, and she's been a great role model

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Speaker 18: for many women in rugby and in sport and in

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Speaker 18: leadership in general. And she has stuck to her values.

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think if throughout that kind of dispute process

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Speaker 1: for one of a better term, if that hadn't shaken

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Speaker 1: out as it did, that she might have reapplied for another.

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Speaker 18: Term Like many of us, she keeps her CASCO through chest,

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Speaker 18: So I think that might be a question to answer.

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Speaker 18: But you know, what I have appreciated is that she

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Speaker 18: has been consistent throughout this whole process. She's been great

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Speaker 18: for the stuff at New Zealand Rugby have already indicated

999
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Speaker 18: that they really appreciated her leadership and so have we

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Speaker 18: at the board. But this is just a really challenging

1001
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Speaker 18: environment at the moment because it is a big change

1002
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Speaker 18: and I think she's stepping aside so that it's a

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Speaker 18: seed to be of more independent process is the best

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Speaker 18: thing to do. And you know, and I'm sure she

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Speaker 18: knows her rugby, I'll tell you that much. So she's

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Speaker 18: pretty passionate about it and she's been a representative on

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Speaker 18: the instre Commercial or Board as well as indeed are board.

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Speaker 1: How is the rugby community at large do you think

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Speaker 1: feeling about the new framework?

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Speaker 18: Well, I think, you know, we had a few speed

1011
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Speaker 18: bumps along the way were you're a little bit rocky,

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Speaker 18: but I fe we've come together. You know, we've managed

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Speaker 18: the Stakeholder Panel, who's done a great job. They were

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Speaker 18: a governance advisory panel, so they're looking to change their

1015
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Speaker 18: name to the Stakeholder Panel and they've come together, you know,

1016
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Speaker 18: and I think that had been excellent as well, getting

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Speaker 18: the Players Association, the Super Rugby clubs, the provincial unions

1018
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Speaker 18: and the mighty Rugby Board together. That wasn't an easy task.

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Speaker 18: And I think now that that feels like it's in

1020
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Speaker 18: a good place. I think we're back on track.

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Speaker 2: Am I right in thinking that you're not sticking around

1022
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Speaker 2: for another term as well?

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Speaker 18: No, I decided to sit down, and that was quite

1024
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Speaker 18: early in the piece. I decided that it's been eight

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Speaker 18: years that I've been on the board and I have

1026
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Speaker 18: seen quite a few reviews in that eight years, and

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Speaker 18: me and my children are kind of like indicating that

1028
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Speaker 18: they'd like me to hang around a little bit more.

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Speaker 18: And I feel like it's time for a new fish ideas,

1030
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 18: new perspective, and I know that you know they're and

1031
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Speaker 18: I'm really proud of what we've achieved in women's rugby

1032
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Speaker 18: and a Mighty Rugby and what them to really transform

1033
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Speaker 18: that be. So I think it's fine for so much

1034
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Speaker 18: to come and to give it some fish unity.

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Speaker 1: Tan Arkwa, thank you very much for your time. We

1036
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Speaker 1: appreciate That's Dame Farapama, the Deputy Cheer of the ins

1037
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Speaker 1: of our Board.

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Speaker 5: The Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southebeast International Realty,

1039
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Speaker 5: local and global exposure like no other.

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Speaker 9: Shout Out Final Whistle and England have won the tiny

1041
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Speaker 9: Jamerson Trophy.

1042
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Speaker 7: Sometimes when Labs gets things get heated and you just

1043
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 7: deal with it and then you move on.

1044
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: You can't like look at stuff too much and over analyze.

1045
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 19: It was what it was and happened and tomorrow, and

1046
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 19: that's that.

1047
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: You know, these games are what you make of it.

1048
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: You know that they're a fun time and you know

1049
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: we've got to.

1050
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 19: Get after it.

1051
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 7: We've got a big squad and obviously we brought.

1052
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: Our development plays over here and we've got some other

1053
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 2: guys joining us, so it's just a good chance to

1054
00:51:53,960 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: hang out and play some more Hoopesing up and on

1055
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Speaker 2: the sports uttle this evening.

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Speaker 1: The host of Sports Talk from seven o'clock tonight, Darcy

1057
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Speaker 1: Walter Grave is in the house.

1058
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Speaker 8: Well, here we are again.

1059
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Speaker 1: Gold Sport rugby commentator Paul Allison is here as well.

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Speaker 2: Killed. So I did start off with Dame Patsy, really,

1061
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Speaker 2: Darcy surprised now.

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Speaker 9: She said she would leave if she put an ultimatum

1063
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Speaker 9: ount So if this doesn't go the way I wanted

1064
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 9: to do all the way I believe it's best for

1065
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 9: New Zealand rugby, I'm leaving.

1066
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Speaker 7: So I say on you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think that she's probably had.

1068
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Speaker 9: Enough of dealing with the rugby union.

1069
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Speaker 2: This is the question I didn't ask, which is just

1070
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: how much of a punish is it?

1071
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Speaker 7: A being.

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Speaker 16: Horrible?

1073
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 9: It's just endless drama after drama. There's always something going on.

1074
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Speaker 9: I think, you know what I'd rather be an international diplomat?

1075
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Speaker 8: I would rut.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what I'd rather do. But she wouldn't

1077
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Speaker 9: even say that because she's too polite.

1078
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Speaker 2: But about you there, would you do it?

1079
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Speaker 8: Paul?

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00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: I mean, really would you deal with that?

1081
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Speaker 20: For all the golden Darcy, I can never see you

1082
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Speaker 20: being an international diplomat.

1083
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 8: To be fair, Darcy's right.

1084
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Speaker 20: She did say if this full reform proposal didn't go

1085
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Speaker 20: through with all the recommendations being adopted, she was out

1086
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Speaker 20: of there.

1087
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Speaker 8: And that's what she's done.

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Speaker 20: Has taken a little while since the dust has settled

1089
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Speaker 20: on that, but that's what she said that she would do.

1090
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Speaker 8: She's only been there for two years.

1091
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Speaker 20: She's got great governance background with Telecom and Sky City

1092
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Speaker 20: and New Zealand post and in New Zealand and with

1093
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Speaker 20: the arts. Not a lot of experience around sport, but

1094
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 20: I guess those transferable skills and governance can transition across

1095
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 20: from one sector to another.

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00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 8: So she was there, That's why she.

1097
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 9: Was there, so people would listen to because she has

1098
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 9: experience in those roles above rugby.

1099
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: But they still didn't listen.

1100
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 13: It's insane.

1101
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 20: Yeah, well, you've had you've had all sorts of issues

1102
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 20: around silver Lake and the players Association getting on board,

1103
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 20: and the financial performance and the provincial competition and all

1104
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 20: of the other issues that are around the whole the

1105
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 20: whole format of the game and where's it going.

1106
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 8: And you've got to get people united.

1107
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 20: And I guess by her making the decision to stand aside,

1108
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 20: she thinks is probably a better chance for people to

1109
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 20: get united now with a clean slate and a clean

1110
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 20: canvas to work together.

1111
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 9: What I suppose he's carrying some of the cans. You's gone, Okay,

1112
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 9: it might be unpopular here, but I've done what I've

1113
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 9: had to do. I've tried to do it hasn't worked on.

1114
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 9: Let's get a new bunch in to do it. I

1115
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 9: commended for that, right.

1116
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 1: So the Crusaders have confirmed the signing of former Wallaby

1117
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: playmaker James O'Connor.

1118
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: Well do you reckon, Paul? But weird to see a

1119
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: Wallaby in a Crusaders Jersey.

1120
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 20: We's got New Zealand parents, hasn't eat and he has

1121
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 20: got some history and heritage here.

1122
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 8: I remember him as a seventeen year old coming on.

1123
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: For the Force.

1124
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 8: He looked like he was a kid in school uniform

1125
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 8: almost coming on back.

1126
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, of beaver esque quality. Didn't he beefcake?

1127
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 11: Though?

1128
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 20: I'm sure Rob Penny would have loved to have got

1129
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 20: Richie Mowanger back, but you're not going to drag him

1130
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 20: away from a two million dollar a year deal in

1131
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 20: Japan this yet. He's got two more years to go.

1132
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 20: They needed to fill with some experience in that pivotal

1133
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 20: number ten position. The fact that he's thirty four years

1134
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 20: of age and he's been around for long time and

1135
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 20: he hasn't always been a number ten in either. It

1136
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 20: was a bit of a risk for them, but they

1137
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 20: bring some experience and I think you'll probably add something

1138
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 20: to the maturity of the Crusaders, which they desperately need

1139
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 20: after a really underperforming season. They've got camera there and

1140
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 20: they've got Ray Hanner, both young guys. They've said David

1141
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 20: Harvelly isn't going to fill that number ten position, so

1142
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 20: having some experience is probably not a bad idea. I

1143
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 20: don't think we'll see a lot of them in every game,

1144
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 20: starting in the number ten position, but having that experience

1145
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 20: in the mix probably isn't a bad thing. It's a

1146
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 20: little bit surprised, to be fair, when the news came through,

1147
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 20: but you know, you can't blame the Crusaders for trying

1148
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 20: to get back on the top of the table.

1149
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 9: Well, they've had a pretty fraught year or so in existence,

1150
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 9: haven't they, So they'll try anything to try and write it.

1151
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 9: And that was a real issue control the standards, that

1152
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 9: was the problem. There were no one to control that.

1153
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 9: So credit where credit's due to the young guys coming through.

1154
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 9: But there are a couple of years out from doing that,

1155
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 9: so I think it makes sense. It's only a year

1156
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 9: long contract too. It's they've thrown the check book out

1157
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 9: of me. He apparently he wants this experience, wants to

1158
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 9: come over and play a bit of rugby over here

1159
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 9: and maybe try and lift the Crusaders up from where

1160
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 9: they've been, which is hard yards. But you know, and

1161
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 9: we're going to talk about that tonight with James Marshall,

1162
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 9: assistant coach of the Crusaders, about what they gained out

1163
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 9: of that, why they went ahead and then what happens

1164
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 9: next in that position because he's picked us number three?

1165
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: Right, hey, Yeah, pretty shocking news today from the Black Fans.

1166
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 1: Grace Steinmetz has been forced to retire because of a

1167
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: brain injury. So we're going to take a closer look

1168
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: at that after the break back with the huddle in

1169
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. Paul Allison Darcy Waldegove with you

1170
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: right now. It's fourteen to six.

1171
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Speaker 5: What the Friday Sports Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International

1172
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 5: Realty Elevate the marketing of your home.

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00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: And your Friday Huddler's Darcy Waldgrave, the host of Sports Talk,

1174
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: and Paul Allison, the gold Sport rugby commentator. So Paul,

1175
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: news from Grace Steintz this afternoon. She says she's been

1176
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: forced to retire because of evidence of a brain injury,

1177
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: which is obviously a bit of a shock, always a

1178
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: concern contact sports, especially rugby, But thank goodness she's been

1179
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: able to identify this sooner rather than later, I suppose.

1180
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a sensible decision.

1181
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 20: She's only twenty six years of age and has been

1182
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 20: a member of the black Fern's Historically, she comes from

1183
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 20: a good Rugby family. Her uncle Paul was an All

1184
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 20: Black back in the day back in two thousand and two.

1185
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 20: She's got a very talented background in sport, having played

1186
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 20: hockey and athletics as well as seven so whether or

1187
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 20: not she takes up other sports.

1188
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 8: She's a qualified lawyer, so she's not a silly person.

1189
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 8: She'll know exactly what the risks are.

1190
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 20: And it's probably a sound decision because she said, the

1191
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 20: brain scans revealed that it'll be unsafe for me to

1192
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 20: take the field anymore.

1193
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 8: So yeah, sad for her, but a real sensible decision.

1194
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 8: I think I'm absolutely.

1195
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 9: Stoked for her that she found out when she found

1196
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 9: out and has made that call or made that decision.

1197
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 9: It's the same, but it's different. It's like why men

1198
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 9: of my age get their prostate check every year because

1199
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 9: they don't want it coming up by surprise and suddenly

1200
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 9: it's too late. You don't want to get a knock

1201
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 9: on the head and go, oh wow, I had a

1202
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 9: massive problem in my brain I never knew. So really

1203
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 9: good she found out, and yes, stoked for her, and

1204
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 9: of course says he said the Steinemtz clan, and she

1205
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 9: actually played for Matter two and Christo, so nice.

1206
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: A bit of red and black connects very good. Now,

1207
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: Michael Chicki has been banned after he apparently apparently made

1208
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: quote intense eye contact with a neutral doctor in the

1209
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: game that he was that his team was playing. So

1210
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: the Lesa Tigers were playing, and apparently one of his

1211
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: players went down. Checker made this intense eye contact and

1212
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: the doctor got upset. I mean, give there, can we

1213
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose if you really look angry with

1214
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: intense eye contact.

1215
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, darth is that is that bandwidthy?

1216
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 8: Well, he looks like you may not.

1217
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 9: Be familiar, but Paul definitely will be. There was some

1218
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 9: characters back in Disney, way back in the day called

1219
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 9: the Beagle Boys, and he looks like a beagle boy.

1220
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 9: He's a big, scary looking dude. And if he gave

1221
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 9: me the eye, I'd be worried too. The thing is,

1222
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 9: what was he doing over He was doing a mistaken

1223
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 9: withdrawal from concussion. Sent back on the park again. I mean, no, no, no, no, no, wrong,

1224
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 9: We're pulling this guy back in again. And check has

1225
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 9: started to get a bit angry about the whole thing

1226
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 9: and a.

1227
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 20: Bit stell raised, but Darcy he never raised his voice.

1228
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 20: He did not shout or swear. They said an intense

1229
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 20: eye contact. I mean, imagine Gris Wiley going to see

1230
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 20: a doctor. Just just imagine. I mean, he wouldn't be

1231
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 20: up for a week. He'd be up for a month,

1232
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 20: poor old Gris, wouldn't he. They said he did not

1233
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 20: disrespect the doctor during a five minute discussion, and they

1234
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 20: said the conduct was prejudicial to the interests of the

1235
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 20: game or the union. Now Lester Tigers are going to

1236
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 20: come out because they seeking clarification on this, and they

1237
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 20: reserve the right to lodge an appeal of the decision

1238
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 20: within the forteen.

1239
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 8: Day period, so it might not be over yet. He's

1240
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 8: had a one week standdown.

1241
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 20: This is the first game in charge of the club

1242
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 20: at a senior level.

1243
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 8: But this is just Michael Checker.

1244
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: He's been like that.

1245
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 20: I mean, if you looked at him on TV or

1246
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 20: saw him at a game, he's not the friendliest looking

1247
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 20: character anyhow, But intense I can't contact.

1248
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 8: I mean, give me a break, I know you need it.

1249
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 9: I suppose there has to be a line there. Someone's

1250
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 9: going to be to look after the medical staff. Because

1251
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 9: if faith overlooked and when it comes to the head injury,

1252
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 9: they shouldn't even be in the program.

1253
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be an issue. Just go yep, cool, accept that

1254
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: walk away.

1255
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1256
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't stand there like some kind of spoiled brown threatening.

1257
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: Paul.

1258
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: I know you were wondering this.

1259
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty one, that's when the Beagle Boys were invented.

1260
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: I had to had to google that because I feel

1261
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: like I wasn't the only one who had absolutely no

1262
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: idea what Dark he was talking about the three villains.

1263
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: From Donald Duck. Yeah, screw Dark, there's three.

1264
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 9: I think the Jersey numbers are six seven one one

1265
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 9: seven six or variations of that.

1266
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: And trust me, Michael che.

1267
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 8: When does your gold card come to you in the mail?

1268
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: Mate for three years old?

1269
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Paul Allison and all the grave

1270
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: our sports huddlers. This evening, it's seven to six on

1271
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: News Dog z'd be.

1272
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 10: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1273
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 10: your car on your drive home.

1274
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 5: Heather dupleic Alan drive with one New Zealand one Giant

1275
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 5: Leap for Business News Talk.

1276
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 10: Here until seven it's the.

1277
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 21: Bus sometime and I think when the New the then

1278
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 21: new minister announced their review into property. There was a

1279
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 21: sort of a collective sigh, and so we've been eagerly

1280
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 21: awaiting the output of that review since. And whilst there's

1281
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 21: plenty of good people trying trying your best, the nature

1282
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 21: of school property is a complicated beast and we've all

1283
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 21: found it particularly frustrating over the last couple of decades.

1284
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Really yeah, yeah, what are the main problems as you

1285
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: see them? I mean, some pretty extraordinary things in the

1286
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: report today, from the cost of building, but also just

1287
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: that the totally unexplainable differences between what schools are actually getting.

1288
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's somehow some stuff happens in the middle where

1289
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 21: you get all sorts of costs escalating out of control.

1290
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 21: Not quite sure why that is. But the complications are

1291
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 21: that whilst you might think all schools are the same,

1292
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 21: they're sort of not so. When you think about say,

1293
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 21: my school, it's nice and flats take a couple of

1294
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 21: classrooms on a fast cake. However, if you go over

1295
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 21: to Glenfield College or Northcote College or Auckland Girls On

1296
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 21: High School.

1297
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 7: They're all on hills.

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 21: So a couple of classrooms on their sites are a

1299
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 21: lot more complicated. And so not all schools have the

1300
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 21: same geotech that they're dealing with, and so it's not

1301
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 21: sort of one size, but it's all. However, we got

1302
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 21: ourselves into a sort of an unnecessary cycle of bespoke building,

1303
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 21: and whenever you chuck bespoken, you know that costs are

1304
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 21: going to go up a bit. And so I think

1305
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 21: we all need to have a look at sort of

1306
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 21: a fit a buffet of fairly standard type buildings. We

1307
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 21: don't need to win architectural awards with school classrooms. We

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Speaker 21: need functional, we need warm, we need safe, we need sturdy,

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Speaker 21: depending on what part of the country, and you need

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Speaker 21: extra earthquaky stuff, and so doing it simple and.

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Speaker 1: Also the transparency right about which schools are prioritized.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, that is always going to be problematic because

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Speaker 21: I'm always going to prioritize my school. When your mum

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Speaker 21: was a principal, she was always going to prioritize it is.

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Speaker 21: But we don't want to do that at the expense

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Speaker 21: of somebody else. But we don't always know what the

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Speaker 21: priorities are of that person up the road. We're all

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Speaker 21: rational humans, and if we went, oh, I really need

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Speaker 21: a new gym, but up the road. They're doing math

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Speaker 21: classes under a stairwell. Actually, we don't need our job

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Speaker 21: getting them some classes first. And so that transparency ofmmunication,

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Speaker 21: that understanding the network need as opposed to just your

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Speaker 21: own local one. All that sort of stuff is what

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Speaker 21: probably the sector is crying out for.

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Speaker 1: Do we know anything at the moment about how this

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Speaker 1: new entity will work or who's going to be in charge?

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Speaker 10: Not a thing, you know.

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Speaker 21: The thing with government announcements is the detail always comes

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Speaker 21: a bit later on, as you know, and so the

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Speaker 21: devil will be in the detail. But what I do

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Speaker 21: know is that when you take the likes of people

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Speaker 21: leading from Willington depth set responsible for this area, he's

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Speaker 21: particularly passionate about this work and has been doing his

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Speaker 21: best to make some real changes that will help the sector.

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Speaker 21: And so there's some good people trying very hard, but

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Speaker 21: there is lots of moving parts to the big machine

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Speaker 21: that is school property.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks to that, Vaughan. We appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: That's Vaughan Quillo, who's the Secondary Principles Association of New

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Speaker 1: Zealand president. It's just coming up to twelve past six.

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Speaker 5: The numbers and getting the results. It's header duperic Ellen

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Speaker 5: with the Business Hours thanks to my HR, the HR

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Speaker 5: platform for salb Jack.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the cost of building, don't forget

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Speaker 1: the consenting issues. For me, it is all consenting. Yes,

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Speaker 1: schools might be spending a lot of money when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the design of their buildings. Yes, they've probably

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Speaker 1: been far more bespoke than they should have been. But

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Speaker 1: it's the consenting that's the issue for me. If you

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Speaker 1: want to get in touch, ninety two ninety two is

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Speaker 1: our text number. You can email me if you like

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Speaker 1: as well. Jacket Newstalk ZB dot co dot Nz. Time

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Speaker 1: now to wrap the political week with The New Zealand Herald,

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Speaker 1: Deputy Political Editor Thomas Coglan as back with US Guilder.

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Speaker 1: So Casey Costello has released her long awaited independent advice.

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Speaker 2: What did you think?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, I mean, come on, come on, that's

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Speaker 1: I mean really, I mean, how are you How many

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Speaker 1: of the five bits of of advice on heated tobacco

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Speaker 1: price didn't even mention heated becca products.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's it isn't She hasn't made a compelling case.

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Speaker 10: For it.

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Speaker 4: I'm sort of I'm struggling to find so I that

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Speaker 4: this week I've been struggling to find comparisons. I remember

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Speaker 4: during the pandemic, when things are moving very fast, you'd

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Speaker 4: occasionally get at a press conference as she Bloomfield, who

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Speaker 4: was very well read, would say, oh, you know, I

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Speaker 4: read this that there's an interesting paper published in the

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Speaker 4: lance of a couple of days ago about this, and

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Speaker 4: you know that was always very impressive because he had

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Speaker 4: a very busy job and somehow managed to find time

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Speaker 4: to read a medical journal. So it's not the issue

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Speaker 4: at stake here is not too much so that I

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Speaker 4: guess she went out and got her own advice, because

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Speaker 4: sometimes you do that. Of course, actually Bloomfield was a

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Speaker 4: public servant, not a minister, so it's quite different. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: the issue is that that the quality of the advice

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Speaker 4: is not quite what she uh led us to believe.

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Speaker 4: I guess uh and and I you know, the it

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Speaker 4: is sort of a grab bag of I mean some,

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Speaker 4: as you say, some articles that that didn't mention head

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Speaker 4: of tobacco products, others that seemed to be less relevant

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Speaker 4: to New Zealand. There's one from Japan, but the Japan,

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Speaker 4: I think, is a different different slightly different circumstances have

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Speaker 4: banned other forms of cessation tools like we have done.

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Speaker 4: So it's not, yes, vaking, so it's not. It just

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Speaker 4: doesn't seem to be quite at the kind of get

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Speaker 4: out of jail free card that she perhaps presented it

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Speaker 4: to be. And certainly, you know when you're when you're

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Speaker 4: dealing with when you're when you're when you're comparing it

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Speaker 4: with a vice from officials who themselves have synthesized the

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Speaker 4: available evidents. This is the officials invent the evidents. They

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Speaker 4: found it themselves as well. It just didn't it didn't

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Speaker 4: quite seem to justify her sort of what I had

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Speaker 4: my own advice, which was the justific as were offering

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Speaker 4: this text card.

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Speaker 1: Now, a lot of new rules came into play this week,

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Speaker 1: so no more free COVID tests, key truder stuff. Changes

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Speaker 1: in parking penalties are increasing.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so these are these people who public who who

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Speaker 4: pardon me? These for people who park in disabled car parks,

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Speaker 4: though the fines have increased that they're up to seven

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars now, I mean, this seems like

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Speaker 4: something that I can't of mentionine anyone disagreeing with probably

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Speaker 4: fairly popular. I note that a lot of the national

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Speaker 4: party's social media accounts are sort of tweeting it and

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Speaker 4: posting it. I think they're sort of expecting a fairly

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Speaker 4: I suppose it said the sort of bit more benign

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Speaker 4: end of the tough on crime redirectly that the government's

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Speaker 4: trying to push out. It's very difficult to I mean,

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Speaker 4: it's a it's an annoyance. I think of a lot

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Speaker 4: of a lot of people, even people who don't sort

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Speaker 4: of interact with the the disabled community. When you see

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Speaker 4: people use those car parks who really shouldn't be, so

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Speaker 4: I think that's probably it's unlikely to come up against

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Speaker 4: them too much pushback. Also some other positive changes. Some

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Speaker 4: of those cancer medicines that the government relatedly funded have

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Speaker 4: have have become available so Keytruder from the first of

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Speaker 4: the month, and that's sort of a part of the

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Speaker 4: first of a longer rollout of those of those medicines

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Speaker 4: that were that were funded not on the budget but

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Speaker 4: but after the budget as part of that that long

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Speaker 4: that long Saga.

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Speaker 1: And Christopher Luckson hit back at what were described as

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Speaker 1: the politics of envy over his house sales.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so Christopher Luxon owned a he owned an apartment

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Speaker 4: in Wellington as many in peace do. When he became

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Speaker 4: Prime minister, he was able to move what he had

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Speaker 4: the right to move into Premier House. Obviously that that

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Speaker 4: whole saga transpired. It needed substantial some renovations to bring

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Speaker 4: it up to standard. He claimed that that continued to

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Speaker 4: claim as allowance the living as apartments and then you

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Speaker 4: know there was the drama around around that. So he

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Speaker 4: is moving into Premier House now, he's moved in over

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Speaker 4: the weekend. That meant that he decided to sell his

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Speaker 4: apartment earlier. This was proub med last month he sold it.

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Speaker 4: He made a nice capital gain on that apartment of

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Speaker 4: about exactly one hundred maybe thousand dollars minus you know,

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Speaker 4: sales fees, and he made some renovations. And Labor has

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Speaker 4: used that to play into this debate that they are

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Speaker 4: starting around the fairness of the tax system. Obviously, Labor

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Speaker 4: should have been trapped in this discussion about the fairness

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Speaker 4: of the tax system for nearly fifteen years now, I think,

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Speaker 4: and and they seem much better at sort of discussing

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Speaker 4: it than next to doing anything about it. Obviously, they

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Speaker 4: had six years in government and decided not to touch

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Speaker 4: those issues. But Christopher Luxon has hit back at at

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Speaker 4: at Labor kind of using it like that and and said,

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Speaker 4: you know, he admitted to being a wealthy guy obviously,

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Speaker 4: you know, not not that that was any surprise to anyone.

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Speaker 4: And in a series, I mean it was mainly I

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Speaker 4: think mainly an interview on news Storks is b actually

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Speaker 4: where he just used, I suppose some inopportune language to

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Speaker 4: sort of describe the level of comfort in which he lives.

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Speaker 4: I think he struggles with this issue. I think it

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Speaker 4: might be something over the summer break that he sort

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Speaker 4: of has some media training on. I think just in

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Speaker 4: future it was possibly something he might need to man's

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Speaker 4: slightly better than he doesn't find.

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Speaker 1: More elegant language. Yeah, hey, thank you so much. Thomas

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Every good weekend there is Thomas Coglan,

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Speaker 1: the New Zealand Herald Deputy Political editor.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty one past six.

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Speaker 5: Everything from SMS sort of big corporate, The Business Hour

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Speaker 5: with Jack Taine and my HR the HR Solution for

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Speaker 5: busy SMS on Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 1: Twenty three past six. Google is threatening to remove any

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Speaker 1: ability for users to find local New Zealand news on

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Speaker 1: its search engine. It'll be forced to stop promoting key

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Speaker 1: we news content and stop deals with local newsrooms if

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Speaker 1: the government goes ahead with the Fear Digital News Bargaining Bill,

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Speaker 1: which would force the tech giants to pay news organizations

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Speaker 1: for their content. Google's New Zealand operations made almost a

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Speaker 1: billion dollars last year, and of course the vast majority

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Speaker 1: of that they shipped off as a payment to their

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Speaker 1: international company. Tech commentator Bill Bennett joins us on this

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Speaker 1: this evening Kilder Bill, Hi, Jack, what do you make

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Speaker 1: of Google's threats?

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Speaker 19: Well, this is something We've seen a number of times

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Speaker 19: elsewhere in the world. It started about five years ago,

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Speaker 19: I think with Germany and Spain had similar boarding, similar

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Speaker 19: legislation to what our government's proposing, and Google threw its

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Speaker 19: toys out the PRAM in both those places. In its time.

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Speaker 19: It's done something similar in Canada, which we'll talk about

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Speaker 19: a bit more in a moment, and it's earlier this year.

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Speaker 19: It did something similar again in California, and it does

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Speaker 19: have deals like this with Australia. But that's got a

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Speaker 19: lot to do with the fact that Rupert Murdoch is

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Speaker 19: so powerful around the world with news and he used

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Speaker 19: his influence and clout basically to force them to the

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Speaker 19: bargaining table in Australia. So oh, and that is kind

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Speaker 19: of the key to it is because Google is this giant,

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Speaker 19: you know, huge corporation. It's it's extraordinarily large. New Zealand

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Speaker 19: wouldn't be a rounding era in the company's revenues, so

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Speaker 19: it doesn't. So we just don't matter to them. We're literally,

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Speaker 19: you know, the ant being crushed under the heel of

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Speaker 19: a bronze saurus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a stirring image. Bill, What what happens then?

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Speaker 4: What? What? What? What will?

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Speaker 1: What will happen if the government tries to gohere? Do

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Speaker 1: you think Google will actually follow through with these threats?

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Speaker 19: Yeah? Probably will. I mean it hasn't Google. Google plays

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Speaker 19: nicer than Meta, the Facebook company in these things. I mean,

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Speaker 19: you've got although we're talking about Google today because Google's

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Speaker 19: made its announcement, the Meta and Google are the two

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Speaker 19: companies which are on the receiving end of this legislation

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Speaker 19: as as it's gone in in different countries around the world.

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Speaker 19: And Meta really has pulled the plug on things. When

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Speaker 19: Canada went through a similar a similar exercise, Meta just

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Speaker 19: completely pulled the plug on all news links in Canada,

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Speaker 19: and its estimated that that cost the Canadian media sector

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Speaker 19: about one hundred and twenty million in lost traffic that

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Speaker 19: didn't come to them because Facebook was no longer linking.

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Speaker 3: But what more.

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Speaker 19: Disturbing is that face when Facebook did that in Canada,

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Speaker 19: it had zero impact on its Canadian revenue. So that

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Speaker 19: tells you that there's a huge imbalance in these things.

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Speaker 19: It's and Google will have you know, the same kind

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Speaker 19: of numbers in its in its head. But Google plays

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Speaker 19: nicer in general with this game. And one of the

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Speaker 19: things that Google does do is it has various funds

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Speaker 19: that it pays into for journaligement.

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Speaker 7: I think it does that here at the moment as well.

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Speaker 19: It does and that could go if this legislation comes in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it does also have a couple of

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Speaker 1: deals with local newsrooms or hashead deals with local n Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Well, like I said, they tend to play nice. And

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Speaker 19: the thing is is that the idea of a link tax,

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Speaker 19: and it's Google that calls it a link tax, is

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Speaker 19: that it they haven't really worked. They're not really they

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Speaker 19: don't really do what they set out to do, but

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Speaker 19: they're also kind of slightly dangerous in other ways because

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Speaker 19: they they shut down parts of the web, and we

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Speaker 19: don't really want that to happen. There's already enough bad

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Speaker 19: stuff going on there.

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Speaker 7: What I found something.

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Speaker 19: Really interesting from the Canadian thing right, It said we

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Speaker 19: expected the disappearance of News on Matter to have major

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Speaker 19: shots of the Canadian information ecosystem. This is some Canadian

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Speaker 19: academics we're looking at the media day. But the shock

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Speaker 19: appears to have been one sided by the band. Has

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Speaker 19: the impacted Canadian news outlet's meta has not suffered any

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Speaker 19: loss in their user base at all.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean, this is the argument, right,

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Speaker 1: that they are mutually dependent on each other, that Google

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Speaker 1: and the local news producers actually need each other support.

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Speaker 1: And that's certainly like an argument that's been put forward

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Speaker 1: by Act which I think invoked the right to.

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Speaker 2: Disagree agree to disagree clause and the.

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Speaker 1: Coalition agreement and choosing not to support this particular piece

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Speaker 1: of legislation. So it's going to be very interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what happens with all of that, especially if Google

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Speaker 1: doesn't back down, and there's no reason to think at

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Speaker 1: the stage that they're will.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Bill.

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Speaker 1: That is technology commentator Bill Bennett before seven o'clock on

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Speaker 1: News Talks. It'd be will take you to the UK

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Speaker 1: for the very latest bus The rain keeps falling in

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Speaker 1: Otago and Cluther Uses next on Newstorg ZB.

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Speaker 5: If it's to do with money, it matters to you

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Speaker 5: the Business Hour with Jack Team and my HR the

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Speaker 5: HR solution for busy sms FU NEWSTORGSZB.

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Speaker 1: So the rain is expected to continue falling for at

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Speaker 1: least the next few hours in Otago and around the

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Speaker 1: Cluther region. State Highway one north of Dunedin south of

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Speaker 1: Dunedin still closed, all sorts of road closures right across

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Speaker 1: the Region's civil defense and emergency personnel are urging everyone

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Speaker 1: in the region to please follow the directions on the signs.

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Speaker 1: If the sign says the road has closed code is closed.

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Speaker 1: You really don't want to be that person. You really

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Speaker 1: don't want to be that motorist caught out by floodwaters.

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Speaker 2: On a night like this.

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Speaker 1: The red rain warning remains in place for the time

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Speaker 1: being and we're going to make sure we keep you

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Speaker 1: up to speed with the very latest from Met Service

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Speaker 1: and all of the civil defense officials on the ground

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Speaker 1: around Otago and Kluther throughout the evening on news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be right now.

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Speaker 1: It is twenty three minutes to seven one, and Asia

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Speaker 1: Business correspondent Peter.

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Speaker 2: Lewis is with us this evening.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Peter, Good evening, Jack.

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Speaker 1: So the Hong Kong stocks have ended and historic six

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Speaker 1: day winning streak.

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Speaker 22: Quite a six day winning streak it was as well.

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Speaker 22: Brokers out here have been describing it as a once

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Speaker 22: in a century rally. Just to put it in a context.

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Speaker 22: How the Hangsting Index surged twenty three percent over that

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Speaker 22: six days, added about seven hundred and seventy billion US

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Speaker 22: dollars in market value, and it's completely reversed. It's now

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Speaker 22: year today. Before the Hangsing was among the world's worst

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Speaker 22: performing major stock in the seas, It's now up almost

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Speaker 22: thirty percent year to date, which makes it one of

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Speaker 22: the best performing in the seas in the world. By comparison.

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Speaker 22: In the US, the S and P five hundred is

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Speaker 22: up about twenty percent year to date. And if you

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Speaker 22: look at the mainland in the seas, they've been closed

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Speaker 22: since Monday for the Golden Week holiday. But on Monday,

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Speaker 22: the CSI three hundred index, which is the index of

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Speaker 22: the largest listed companies in Shanghai and Shenzen soared eight

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Speaker 22: and a half percent in just one day. That's the

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Speaker 22: biggest single day gain since two thousand and eight during

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Speaker 22: the global financial crisis, and that index has added about

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Speaker 22: seventeen percent just in September loans, so these are huge,

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Speaker 22: huge rallies being prompted by all this promise of stimulus,

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Speaker 22: of monetary stimulus. The People's Bank of China has cut

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Speaker 22: interest rates, it's got mortgage rates. President Jiujinping's governments is

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Speaker 22: promising fiscal stimulus in terms of handouts to the poor

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Speaker 22: and needy, and undertaking structural reforms to try and boost

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Speaker 22: the economy and support the housing markets, and also throwing

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Speaker 22: money at the stock markets as well. So far, they've

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Speaker 22: said they're going to allow brokers, insurance companies, financial firms

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Speaker 22: to borrow money from the central bank to go and

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Speaker 22: put into the market. So quite an astonishing turnaround prompted

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Speaker 22: by these promises of all sorts of stimulus, but with

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Speaker 22: yet to see more details and see if this is

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Speaker 22: all actually going to work.

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Speaker 1: Impeter Japanese equities have been boosted by.

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Speaker 2: The week in.

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Speaker 22: Yes, well, this is another big theme in the market.

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Speaker 22: So it's come about here because a new Prime Minister,

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Speaker 22: Shigar is Sheba Ishuba, and he basically he did a

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Speaker 22: big about turn earlier this week. He had been during

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Speaker 22: his campaign to be PM, very supportive of the Bank

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Speaker 22: of Japan's campaign to try and normalize interest rates. Interest

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Speaker 22: rates are about a quarter of percent in Japan. The

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Speaker 22: Bank of Japan is trying to raise them to get

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Speaker 22: them up closer to one percent, which will still be

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Speaker 22: low by international standards, but you have to remember that

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Speaker 22: for a couple of decades, Japanese interest rates have been

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Speaker 22: either zero or negative. Well, Isshiba was supportive of that

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Speaker 22: and then suddenly appear to change tech on Wednesday by

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Speaker 22: saying the economy just simply can't cope with interest rate rises,

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Speaker 22: which is a little bit of a surprise to many economists,

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Speaker 22: given that interest rates are only a quarter of percent,

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Speaker 22: But nevertheless, that sent the yen lower, and a weekend

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Speaker 22: is good for Japan because there are a lot of

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Speaker 22: companies that are exporters, exporters of goods and services and

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Speaker 22: they benefit from the lower Japanese so that has since

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Speaker 22: the NIK two two five higher as well. So it's

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Speaker 22: been overall rather a good week for Asian stock markets.

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Speaker 1: In Japan's incoming prime minister is calling a snap election.

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Speaker 22: That's right, Yes, he wants to. I mean one of

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Speaker 22: the reasons for this is that he hasn't been voted

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Speaker 22: by the public as prime minister. He simply was appointed

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Speaker 22: by the Liberal Democratic Party after his predecessor, Fumio Kashida resigned,

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Speaker 22: so he wants to sort of get his own mandate.

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Speaker 22: But Japanese prime ministers don't have a history of lasting

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Speaker 22: very long. There's normally a revolving door of Japanese prime ministers.

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Speaker 22: They last about a year and then either resign or

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Speaker 22: get booted out, the exception with Shinzo Arsee Arbe, who

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Speaker 22: was prime minister for about six years. But we've gone

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Speaker 22: back to where we were before that, now, having three

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Speaker 22: prime ministers in a year, all of whom didn't most

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Speaker 22: of them didn't last their their full term. But there's

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Speaker 22: no chance of the LDP losing this election. There by

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Speaker 22: far the dominant force in Japanese politics, so they're almost

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Speaker 22: certainly going to win the election. The question is how

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Speaker 22: long will Ishiba, who isn't widely liked within his own party,

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Speaker 22: how long is he likely to survive, and.

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Speaker 1: The US has banned two more Chinese firms in the

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Speaker 1: Wiga region.

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Speaker 22: Yes, that's right. This is on the basis that these

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Speaker 22: companies are using false labor from the from the Wigo region.

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Speaker 22: So this list now of banned companies is up to

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Speaker 22: seventy five companies contains basically pretty well every single company

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Speaker 22: in the in the Weiga sort of region. And the

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Speaker 22: US has made a big campaign about banning companies that

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Speaker 22: use false labor. China denies this completely, and Beijing has

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Speaker 22: now launched its own efforts to try and fight against

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Speaker 22: this by announcing investigations into US companies that it says

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Speaker 22: operate discriminatory practices in the Wiga region, in other words,

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Speaker 22: bans them. So it's investigating the firm that owns, for example,

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Speaker 22: the fashion brands Tommy Hills, Weeisier, Calvin Klein for what

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Speaker 22: it says are discriminatory measures. So a lot of tip

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Speaker 22: pa tat here sort of going on, but just another

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Speaker 22: sign of really the deteriorating relationship are certainly the deteriorating

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Speaker 22: trade relationship between the US and China, and today is

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Speaker 22: a big day in terms of China trade because the

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Speaker 22: EU is going to vote today on whether to make

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Speaker 22: permanent tariffs against Chinese electric vehicles, which it says are

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Speaker 22: flooding the European markets. So this is going to be

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Speaker 22: a very significant day for Chinese trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's very interesting. Thank you, Thank you. Peter.

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Speaker 1: There is Peter Lewis our Asia Business correspondent, sixteen to seven,

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Speaker 1: non Newstalks. He'd be will take you to the U next.

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Speaker 10: Coaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 5: Is Jack Team with the Business Hour thanks to my

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Speaker 5: HR the HR solution for busy smys.

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Speaker 10: On Newstalk ZIB.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen to seven on News Talks, he'd be UK correspondent

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Speaker 1: Devin Gray is with us this evening, Hi Gvin, Hi Jack.

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Speaker 1: So Argentina is demanding the Falkland Islands from the UK.

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Speaker 1: This sounds familiar, but of course it follows the UK's

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Speaker 1: deal to hand over the Chagos Islands after decades of

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Speaker 1: terse and angry negotiations. And I suppose Argentina is saying, well,

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Speaker 1: the Chagos Islands have been handed back, then why can't

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Speaker 1: we have the Falklands.

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Speaker 11: That's exactly their argument. Yes, so the Chegos Islands not

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Speaker 11: many people have heard of, but lying to the south

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Speaker 11: of the Maldives in the Indian Ocean British overseas territory,

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Speaker 11: but agreed to be handed back. They include, of course

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Speaker 11: the Cruise of Diego Garcia Island used by US government

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Speaker 11: as a highly secretive military base. Now because that's been

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Speaker 11: given back after for five decades, a really pretty angry

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Speaker 11: argument between Mauritius and the UK at times. Now yeah,

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Speaker 11: the Argentine government saying, right, well, you've agreed that that's

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Speaker 11: wrong and you're giving it back. So now we want

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Speaker 11: the Falkland Islands. They of course lie in the South Atlantic,

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Speaker 11: and we went to war on them in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 11: two when Argentina invaded them in a bid to reclaim sovereignty.

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Speaker 11: It was a bit of war lasting seventy four days,

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Speaker 11: six hundred and fifty five Argentinian, two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 11: five British dead, and three on the Falkland Islands themselves.

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Speaker 11: And the Foreign Minister of Argentina, Diana Mondino, has welcomed

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Speaker 11: the step taken over the Chagos Islands and saying, following

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Speaker 11: the path we've already taken with concrete actions and not

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Speaker 11: empty rhetoric, we will recover full sovereignty over our Malvinus

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Speaker 11: Islands as they call them now. The Governor of the

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Speaker 11: Falkland Islands has sought to calm concerns over the territory sovereignty,

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Speaker 11: writing to local people saying, look, they are very much British.

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Speaker 11: We're getting to stay British, so don't worry.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: See that's interesting, isn't it, Because that's probably the main difference.

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Speaker 1: If you look at Diego Gacia in the Chego's Islands,

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Speaker 1: I mean all of the local inhabitants for one of

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Speaker 1: a better term, I don't believe they are indigenous, but

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Speaker 1: the local inhabitants from the Chegos Islands got moved off

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Speaker 1: to Mauritius and elsewhere fifty or sixty years ago, whereas

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Speaker 1: the people who are living on the Falklands Islands now

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Speaker 1: are British citizens and don't want to become part of Argentina.

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Speaker 1: So this is quite an important distinction.

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Speaker 11: Very important. Yeah, and no doubt that's the why the

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Speaker 11: British government will argue. And indeed the most recent opinion

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Speaker 11: polls put more than ninety percent of the population of

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Speaker 11: the Falkland Islands as wanting to remain British and under

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Speaker 11: British sovereignty. But you know, once you start these domino

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Speaker 11: effects of handling Thans back, that perhaps is a logical

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 11: next step.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: that plays out, hopefully less dramatically than the last time

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Speaker 1: came to a heat. Sakir Starmer has made his first

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Speaker 1: visit to the EU HQ since becoming Prime minister.

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Speaker 8: Yes, he has.

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Speaker 11: Plenty of people are going to be very very watching this,

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Speaker 11: very very closely. He's always said we are not going

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Speaker 11: to reverse Brexit, but plenty of people are saying, well, okay,

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Speaker 11: you're making these warm approaches to the EU. Fair enough,

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Speaker 11: we all want to get along, that's in all our interests.

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Speaker 11: And he's gone there with a wish list closer cooperation

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Speaker 11: on defense security, energy security, and climate change, irregular migration

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Speaker 11: he wants help with, and you know, also really trade,

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Speaker 11: trying to boost an increased trade. But plenty of people

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Speaker 11: who supported Brexit again, well hang on a minute, because

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Speaker 11: the EU are going to want something back, and now

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Speaker 11: what are you prepared to give back? And he's refusing

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Speaker 11: to say what he considers to be things that might

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Speaker 11: be negotiable, but plenty of people are concerned that might

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Speaker 11: be free movement of people, in other words, people coming

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01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 11: over again from the EU without the need for any

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Speaker 11: sort of documentary or anything like that. And I think

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Speaker 11: there's a great deal of sense of what he's trying

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Speaker 11: to do there, Ryan, but at the same time huge

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Speaker 11: concerns about potentially things he might be willing to give away.

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Speaker 2: Is there any sense that he might be interested in

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Speaker 2: the Customs Union or something? I bet yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think that's often been talked about. They're going to

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Speaker 11: have to be very careful how they phrase it. Any

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Speaker 11: mention of sort of things like that is going to

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Speaker 11: really put people's backs up. But you know, I get

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Speaker 11: the feeling that he's keen on this trade idea as

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Speaker 11: on most people. But last time we were made to

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Speaker 11: comply with everything the EU wanted and not a lot

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Speaker 11: that was good for the UK and Gavin.

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Speaker 1: A woman in Wales has discovered her house had been

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Speaker 1: broken into by a burglar who hung out her washing,

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Speaker 1: put her shopping away, and even cooked a meal on

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Speaker 1: her stove.

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Speaker 11: What yeah, I know, it's always a sort of almost

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01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 11: quite funny, isn't it. But I mean she returned home

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Speaker 11: to find items have been moved in the garden into

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01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 11: no doubt, probably looking slightly better positioning. A recycling bin

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01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 11: had been emptied. There was a note saying don't worry,

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01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,440
Speaker 11: be happy and eat up. The bird feeders had been refilled,

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Speaker 11: the plant pots have been moved, a pair of shoes

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Speaker 11: have been removed from packaging, and the packaging place to

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Speaker 11: the recycling bin. The sad story about this, though, is

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Speaker 11: that the woman is now too scared to stay in

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Speaker 11: her own home after returning from work to find these items.

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Speaker 11: The burglar, a thirty six year old originally from Poland,

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Speaker 11: I believe, has been jailed for twenty two months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, can I I mean it is kind

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Speaker 1: of funny when you hear and then you think about

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Speaker 1: the kind of the violation of your space. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: would be really creepy, don't you think, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Very much, so really horrid. And indeed, bizarrely the neighbor

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01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 11: saw the man hanging out the washing but didn't.

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Speaker 21: Think anything of it.

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Speaker 11: Ah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's peculiar. That is really weird. Thanks about Gavin.

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