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Speaker 1: The Dave brenni era, well and truly underway. For the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks, what's the Jason Ryan stays, which I think

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Speaker 1: is good. I think we like Jason, don't we. Tanner

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Speaker 1: Rumunger is leading the defense. Mike Blair takes over the attack.

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Speaker 1: The senior assistant is Neil Barnes, who is with us. Neil,

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Speaker 1: morning to you very well. Indeed you just in from

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Speaker 1: the cows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I go up just over at the end of

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Speaker 2: the bloody milking to be honest, to help you. I

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Speaker 2: didn't get up too damn early. It's something about six

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Speaker 2: went over. So it's a good you.

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Speaker 1: No, that is true. You didn't expect this to happen?

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Speaker 1: Is that my reading of this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. It's not something you know, I aspired

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Speaker 2: to when I started coaching. It was just I do

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Speaker 2: what I do and yeah, holy whatever.

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Speaker 1: How do you balance up your experience versus the camaraderie?

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Speaker 1: What what's Rennie looking more for or what are you

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Speaker 1: looking more for? The camaraderie or the experience?

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Speaker 2: That's everything? Yeah, you get the whole paggage. I suppose

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Speaker 2: you can't do one without the other. At the end

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Speaker 2: of the day. To build a good team of cultural

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Speaker 2: within it and that are all pointed in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: And I made a comment yesterday, we actually need the

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Speaker 2: whole country be pointing in the right direction, from right

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Speaker 2: down to our school and club game up to the top,

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Speaker 2: and then to have all the support gone there too,

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Speaker 2: and between the whole lot of us. You'll be surprised

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Speaker 2: what we can achieve in a small country good.

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Speaker 1: The time frame. Are you aware of that? What materially

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Speaker 1: needs to happen for you guys to feel like you're

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Speaker 1: on the right track.

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Speaker 2: Look, at the end of the day, I'm new and

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Speaker 2: the super rogue again. I've done it for six years,

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Speaker 2: but I've been six years back home as well, so

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Speaker 2: I've got to get to know all the players. Probably again,

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Speaker 2: Jason's way ahead of me. Rens has been working overseas

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Speaker 2: for nine years. First thing is about selection, so we've

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Speaker 2: got to get out get that sorted. That comes to

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Speaker 2: watching a truckload of footage. The second part is getting

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Speaker 2: together as coaches and getting really aligned about how we

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Speaker 2: want to play. And that's going to happen real soon.

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Speaker 2: So Rens has got to buy coming in next couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks. He's coming up to New Zealand and he

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Speaker 2: will connect him with all the super franchises and us

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Speaker 2: as a group of coaches will climb on board with

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Speaker 2: them then and start meeting.

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Speaker 1: How does your role work in the sense you do

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Speaker 1: what he says or you push back a lot and

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Speaker 1: he needs you to do that.

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Speaker 2: He puts people there that can do their job. But

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Speaker 2: in amongst the whole group, as I was mentioning yesterday,

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Speaker 2: there needs to be a little bit of tension as

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Speaker 2: into how we're doing things. And that's about asking questions. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you have clear lanes on what you're responsible for, but

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Speaker 2: outside of that, you're actually challenging the guys that are

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Speaker 2: with you can well be better in this area, and

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Speaker 2: that's how you get better. I'd imagine like they would

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Speaker 2: be the same in any business. You don't want yes

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Speaker 2: people and there you want people who are going to

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Speaker 2: come up with new ideas, challenge the norm for the

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Speaker 2: betterment of the whole team.

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Speaker 1: As you look from the outside, and as I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have, do you see the all blacks as a

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Speaker 1: fixed job, a patch up job, a manipulation job, a

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Speaker 1: subtle change job. What sort of job is.

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Speaker 2: It'll be subtle change from there often sometimes when you

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Speaker 2: get to that level, it's only a little thing. So

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Speaker 2: that's for us to find out. There's some things that

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Speaker 2: come from the outside in which I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: talk about now, that I think we could do better.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 2: they did well that we need to build on. So

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Speaker 2: it's not throw the whole bath water out. It's about

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Speaker 2: having a good look and deciding how we want to

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Speaker 2: go about our work and then putting it all together.

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Speaker 1: You go well with it, Appreciate your time. Neil Barnes,

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