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Speaker 1: get the answers, find the fat sack.

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Speaker 2: And give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 4: Hey, good afternoon. Coming up on the show today, David Fisher,

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Speaker 4: a senior Herald reporter, was on the scene years ago

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Speaker 4: when one of the bodies in the David tamarhead A

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Speaker 4: the five Auckland's housing density plan has gone from two

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Speaker 4: million houses to one point six million houses. Now it's

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Speaker 4: one point four million houses. So we'll speak to Chris

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Speaker 4: Bishop about that and a public health physician on the

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Speaker 4: study that says that vaping causes cancer.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So, David Tamaheader has finally got what he's been fighting

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Speaker 4: for for decades. The Supreme Court has today quashed his

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Speaker 4: convictions for murdering the two Swedish backpackers all those years

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Speaker 4: ago and has ordered a retrial. Now, this doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that a retrial will necessarily happen. That's up to the

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Speaker 4: again in a nutshell. What this comes down to was

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Speaker 4: the jail house snitch who claimed that Tamahader, remember that

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Speaker 4: to him two years ago. The Court of Appeal said

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Speaker 4: it was a miscarriage of justice to find talmaheada guilty.

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Speaker 4: But the Court of Appeal decided he was still guilty

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Speaker 4: hence the decision. So we will see. But there is

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Speaker 4: There is a question that clearly has to now be

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Speaker 4: many convictions from the eighties and nineties are being overturned

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Speaker 4: or quashed in this country. David Bain Alan Hall, who

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Speaker 4: Gail Manie Stephenstone that was overturned a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 4: Taane a Porter, twenty one years in the slammer for

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Speaker 4: a murder he didn't commit. Peter Alice convictions quashed four

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Speaker 4: Get a load of this eight hundred and ninety three

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Speaker 4: Obviously not all of those will relate to the eighties

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Speaker 4: And it's starting to seem that that is a period

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Speaker 4: it is becoming clear that there is a theme here.

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Speaker 4: We had a problem back then of false confessions being

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Speaker 4: to bend the rules just to get people in jail. Now,

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Speaker 2: See elleneteen nineties.

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Speaker 4: Now let's talk about the war in Iran. Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: is threatening to destroy Iran's power and oil infrastructure if

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Speaker 4: Resin azar Ahari is the Iranian ambassador to New Zealand

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Speaker 4: and with US High Resa Hello, can you what is

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Speaker 6: Actually you should ask this question from mister Trump. But

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Speaker 7: I can say only that Iranians are very sensitive towards

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Speaker 6: Especially when they ask Iranians to.

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Speaker 7: Be sorry under This is exactly the lack of knowledge

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Speaker 6: They are not They have not started.

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Speaker 7: Any war, any invasion against any other country in the

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Speaker 7: last two centuries. But at the same time they have

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Speaker 6: And that's why Atar war against.

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Speaker 7: Adamsyn Or in the last summer war, Iran has very

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Speaker 4: Are you still hearing from the regime in Tehran?

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Speaker 6: Sorry?

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Speaker 4: Are you still in contact with the regime in Tehran?

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Speaker 6: You mean why regime or government m is.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I have in contact with them, and.

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Speaker 4: So it comes flowing as normal, no disruption from the war.

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Speaker 7: Actually, I think I have noticed that in the media

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Speaker 6: And especially now it's there. We are passing the new

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Speaker 7: Iran and the people are gathering here and there, and

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Speaker 7: And it is something completely different from what I'm seeing here.

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Speaker 4: So who's ultimately in charge if the Supreme Leader is

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Speaker 6: Actually the same system we had already.

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Speaker 7: Of course, some of them have been assassinated, which is

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Speaker 7: But anyhow, each one of them have been assassinated, the

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Speaker 4: Look, I know you're not gonna love this question, so

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Speaker 6: Actually, I don't think about that because.

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Speaker 7: We as Iranians get used to work and to fight

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Speaker 7: and then it is not a very serious question for us.

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Speaker 6: At the moment. We want to.

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Speaker 7: Have the best I can do and we can do

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Speaker 6: Actually we have in our history. It is one of

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Speaker 7: That a foreigner, a foreigner have that kind of aggression

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Speaker 7: They have contact with us, and they feel the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your time, appreciated. Best of luck with

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Speaker 4: everything that's unfolding in your country. That's resiners are Ahari,

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Speaker 4: who is the Iranian ambassador to New Zealand. As being

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Speaker 8: Was it really that long ago?

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Speaker 4: Does it feel like yesterday to you? Does it?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 8: I remember the movie Beyond Reasonable Doubt, and I was

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Speaker 4: But no surprise, right, that just humans. There was somebody

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Speaker 4: the all lights that was historic, wasn't.

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Speaker 8: It was that's the first time they've beating the South

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Speaker 4: Because it's the asterisk.

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Speaker 8: Well, they lost a player after twenty eight minutes he

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Speaker 4: And who's the Greek god with the little wings on

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 4: They'd be Heather, that was a laughable interview with the

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Speaker 4: Well, in the next half hour, I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talked to Heather first, Heather Duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 4: AZIMI so well castusy time as well as I said.

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Speaker 4: David Fisher's senior New Zealand Herald reporter, will be with

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Speaker 4: us after five o'clock on the convictions that have been

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Speaker 4: after five o'clock we're gonna have to talk about vapes

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump says there has been progress in the peace

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Speaker 4: White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt says not to worry

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Speaker 11: Despite all of the public pasturing you hear from the

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Speaker 12: Are continuing and going well. What is said publicly is

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Speaker 4: Over in Australia, the government is expecting to lose three

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Speaker 4: that are coming in tomorrow. Here's the Federal Treasurer Jim Charmers.

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Speaker 11: The impact on the global economy of this war in

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Speaker 13: From a purely economic point of view.

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Speaker 8: The end of the war can't come soon enough.

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Speaker 4: And finally, American billionaire and pretty awesome bloke Mark Cuban

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Speaker 4: has baby clams. Get a load of this, Think about this,

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Speaker 4: Visualize this with me. Baby clams wrapped in an egg

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 14: Hello, Heather, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what do you make of Labour's move with the fuel.

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Speaker 14: Well, I think inevitable.

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Speaker 15: Really, the political pressure was on four days ago the

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Speaker 15: So it's not insignificant in households where budgets are already

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Speaker 15: The opposition says, oh, I told you so, I told

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Speaker 15: It's been really demanded by the opposition and the governments responded.

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Speaker 14: Created by Iran. What's happening there.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So Dizzy Freeman apparently was holding a gun. He'd

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Speaker 14: Right, that's right, yep, that's right.

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Speaker 15: And they were talking to him for quite some time, Heather,

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Speaker 14: Office he shot dead about six months earlier.

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Speaker 15: What they're trying to do now, Heather is pieced together

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Speaker 15: Australian Radio Network. But it's got it's got a whole

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Speaker 15: She started to cry, what's the big deal now, Jackie

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Speaker 15: When that happened, they served him the sack at about

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Speaker 15: as well. She says, quote, there's been a lot of

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Speaker 15: speculation misinformation about my departure and so I'm now suing

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Speaker 15: as well. She wants eighty two million dollars. That's the

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Speaker 15: balance of her contract, a r n's of the stock exchange.

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Speaker 15: It disputes the claim. It will be contested, as is

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Speaker 15: Kyle Sanderland's claim. I mean, it's just ridiculous money. And

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Speaker 15: I think what the bottom line here is they want

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Speaker 15: to get rid of the costs and on their bottom line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, two right, it is ar In is the Australia

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Speaker 4: Radio Network, Marles. They just bought all the other stuff.

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Speaker 4: You're welcome Murray Old's Australia Correspondents seventeen away from five

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Speaker 4: l now, okay, yesterday, so you won't know. Hold on it, keV.

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Speaker 4: You're talking to me. You're talking to my is. Sometimes

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Speaker 4: keV presses a button trying to talk to other people

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Speaker 4: and then he talks to me. But we're going to

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Speaker 4: forgive him because he's a gen XA. Who is He's

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Speaker 4: a boomer trapped in a gen x's body. Anyway, thank you,

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Speaker 4: laugh at yourself to myself. Now, you won't know this.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't. I couldn't have talked to you if he

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Speaker 4: was talking about Yeah, That's why I had to say that. Sorry,

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Speaker 4: Now you won't know this. But yesterday there was a

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Speaker 4: little flurry that seems to be that you how can I?

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Speaker 4: How can I? I don't even know how to start

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Speaker 4: the story. Okay, yesterday there was a little flurry about

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Speaker 4: the National Party leadership again, and there were rumors that

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Speaker 4: were flying that there was a cop attempt. Now you

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Speaker 4: wouldn't have known that because nobody broadcasted and nobody printed it.

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Speaker 4: Because in the end, we made the phone calls, we

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Speaker 4: found out it was nothing. This is happening a lot,

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Speaker 4: by the way, So when you come at me and

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Speaker 4: you go, are you're just making stuff up and running? No? No,

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Speaker 4: when I tell you about it, it's because there's something happening.

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Speaker 4: And when I don't tell you about it's because there's

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Speaker 4: nothing happening. But the rumors yesterday were unsubstantiated, so I

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Speaker 4: didn't tell you about it. But now I can tell

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Speaker 4: you that that had happened, because now they're a media

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Speaker 4: reporting where this all started. There was a meeting in

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Speaker 4: Auckland involving National Party ministers from Auckland on Sunday night.

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Speaker 4: Now that's probably it was, depending on who you believe.

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Speaker 4: It was just a meeting, the run of the mill,

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Speaker 4: normal kind of meeting that they have every Sunday. Because

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Speaker 4: we're in the middle of a crisis, of course they're

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Speaker 4: having a meeting, or it turned into something else and

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Speaker 4: it became a meeting about poor polling. Anyway, Erica Stanford

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Speaker 4: has has fanned the flames of this, unfortunately for herself

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Speaker 4: today because she said, yes, there was a meeting, there

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Speaker 4: was no to do about it, and then she was

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Speaker 4: asked if the poll had the party on below thirty

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Speaker 4: percent like the Taxpayer's Union Curier poll, and she wouldn't say. Anyway.

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Speaker 4: I'm drawing this to your attention now because it appears

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Speaker 4: now we're starting to get some clarity on it. All

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Speaker 4: those rumors flying yesterday was because there was a meeting,

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Speaker 4: and so people got excited about it, and now we

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Speaker 4: know everything. Barry Soapa is going to be with us

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Speaker 4: next quarter.

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Speaker 1: To politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 4: Chris Bishop on the housing density with US after five

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Speaker 4: o'clock is thirteen away from five and Barri Soaper, senior

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Speaker 4: political correspondence with US Allo.

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Speaker 10: Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 4: Right, So it turns out I was just explaining just

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Speaker 4: a minute ago. It turns out that all the flurry

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Speaker 4: yesterday was basically caused by this what appears to be

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Speaker 4: pretty stock standard Sunday night meeting.

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Speaker 10: It is, And look I talked around the traps today

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Speaker 10: and essentially the Prime minister if he wasn't holding a

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Speaker 10: Sunday night meeting, that's the last meeting before cabinet. And

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Speaker 10: if it's a kitchen cabinet, if you like, he wouldn't

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Speaker 10: be doing his job. So you know, you've got to

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Speaker 10: have a discussion with people the inner circle before you

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Speaker 10: go into cabinet the next day. So that's what happened,

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Speaker 10: And of course it's seen as something sinister because polls.

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Speaker 10: Everybody's so concentrated on the polls at the moment, But

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Speaker 10: in caucus today there was nothing in terms of Luckson's

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Speaker 10: leadership or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Have you heard though that there are some backbenchers who

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Speaker 4: are getting grumpy.

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Speaker 10: There are some backbenches that are worried about their jobs

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Speaker 10: because the polling translates and deceeats, they would lose theirs.

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Speaker 10: So that always happens.

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Speaker 4: Either that they don't have the numbers.

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Speaker 10: That no, they do not have the numbers to replace them.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now what kind of compensation could David Tamahity get.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's absolutely fascinating because rules were drawn

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Speaker 10: up by cabinet. The one the case that I remember

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Speaker 10: well is Arthur Allen Thomas, and I remember, you know,

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Speaker 10: back in nineteen seventy nine under the Muldoon government, he

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Speaker 10: got a million dollars for his nine years that he

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Speaker 10: spent in prison for the crew members before he of

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Speaker 10: the crew family before he was pardoned. So a million

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Speaker 10: dollars in today's turns comes out to about six to

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Speaker 10: seven million dollars.

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Speaker 4: So he got on No, hod on, how does nine

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Speaker 4: million become sixty?

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Speaker 14: No one?

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Speaker 10: It was one million he got paid. He got paid

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Speaker 10: in nineteen seventy nine. He got paid one million dollars,

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Speaker 10: which in today's money is six to seven million dollars. Now,

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Speaker 10: Cabinet have guidelines for the payouts, and they started off

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Speaker 10: it was in nineteen ninety eight. I think they came

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Speaker 10: out with these rules one hundred k for each year

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Speaker 10: spent in prison if it's wrongful imprisonment or if like

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Speaker 10: Arthur All and Thomas who are pardoned the Justice Ministry,

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Speaker 10: though they later increased that to one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 10: k a year, meaning that Tammy Hery could expect at

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Speaker 10: least three million dollars for the twenty years that he

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Speaker 10: spent inside. Other factors are also considered, like loss of income,

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Speaker 10: re entry costs to the community, legal costs, meaning the

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Speaker 10: total could be adjusted up to one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 10: depending on just how serious the miscarriage was. That's another

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Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty k on top of the money

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Speaker 10: who had already repaid.

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Speaker 4: But I mean that sounds like it's going to go.

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Speaker 4: That will be debated, right because if old mate God

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Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy nine and he got the equivalent of

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Speaker 4: sixty seven million for nine years, and you're ending up

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Speaker 4: with only three million for a lot.

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Speaker 10: Long these are new rules though, Yeah, so these are

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Speaker 10: much more hard now.

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Speaker 4: What happened in Parliament today then, well it.

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Speaker 10: Was fascinating really. The Greens are calling the basically calling

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Speaker 10: on the government to make public transport free. That's not

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Speaker 10: unusual for them. They describe it as the fossil fuel crisis.

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Speaker 10: But the Associate Energy Minister Shane Jones did battle interestingly

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Speaker 10: with the Speaker Jerry Brownlee, saying he's now working on

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Speaker 10: an alternative storage capacity tanker. May be off Marsden points

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Speaker 10: is one option, it seems, but it was again Jonesy's

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Speaker 10: hobby horse that rattled Brownlee.

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Speaker 16: Once the refinery was closed, New Zealand lost seven hundred

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Speaker 16: million worth of storage capacity. Lot no further than that

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Speaker 16: side of the house.

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Speaker 3: The answer was fine right up until the last minute.

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Speaker 3: It's the government who's accountable, yeah, not the opposition. A

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Speaker 3: point of order, A point of order for the Honorable Shanks.

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Speaker 16: I think you are being unfair. I know that it

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Speaker 16: may seem contradictory that I be the purveyor of truth

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Speaker 16: and righteousness, because only a week ago, Sir, I was

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Speaker 16: brandishing a cabinet paper. The cabinet paper says labor agreed

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Speaker 16: to the closure of the refiner.

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Speaker 3: How can I possibly be run carenet papers say is

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Speaker 3: that if you were to interpret anyway, it would be

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Speaker 3: that the government of the day chose not to support

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Speaker 3: it remaining open, which was quite tally proposition.

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Speaker 10: Yes see, I couldn't quite see the difference.

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Speaker 4: To be frank well yeah, I'm yeah, well, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: Kind of both.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 4: Listen, thank you, Barry, appreciate it is very so for

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Speaker 4: senior political correspondent eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: I'm solicited approaches from foreign players offering to take the tickets.

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Speaker 17: We haven't swapped them out for fuel. We can actually

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Speaker 17: use Shane Jones's Associate Administer of Energy as well us.

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Speaker 2: Who are they and are they legit? They definitely are legit.

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Speaker 18: Let's not to say that we're giving up on the

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Speaker 18: fuel companies because they will be substantially punished if they

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Speaker 18: didn't live up to their word. And they're the ones

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Speaker 18: who wanted this system.

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Speaker 17: You've heard nothing from them at all that would give

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Speaker 17: you any pause.

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Speaker 18: For thought, not one iota. The difficulty what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 18: Where are you going to store, and a lot of

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Speaker 18: this is traceable to these greengoons who believe that by

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Speaker 18: deprecating fossil fuel somehow are you going to make New

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Speaker 18: Zealands safer?

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Speaker 17: Back Tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB four from five.

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Speaker 4: OK, here we go. Here's some of the expert reaction

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Speaker 4: that's been pulled together online on this study that suggests

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Speaker 4: that vaping causes cancer. Professor Peter Hadjek of the Queen

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Speaker 4: Mary University of London says vaping vaping provides nicotine at

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Speaker 4: levels similar to smoking, but importantly, despite what the authors

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Speaker 4: of this review review imply, nicotine is not carcinogenic. Professor

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Speaker 4: Leon Shahab of the University College of London says this

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Speaker 4: narrative review is problematic for several reasons makes extraordinary claims

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Speaker 4: that are not borne out by the data. This review

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Speaker 4: did not follow standard practice. Doctor Baptiste Laurent says this

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Speaker 4: is of the medical statistics at UCL says could be

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Speaker 4: misleading if presented to the public as providing evidence of

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Speaker 4: an association between vaping and cancer. Doctor Gavin Stewart says

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Speaker 4: this work in this is Newcastle University. This work does

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Speaker 4: not mean methodological methodological expectations for evidence synthesis and consequently

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Speaker 4: its conclusions should be treated with circumspence circumspection. Oh my

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Speaker 4: lord English. But anyway, it goes on and on and

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Speaker 4: on and on, and the experts hate it. So our

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Speaker 4: expert Robert Beegelhol will be at us in twenty minutes

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Speaker 4: give us his take on it. If you're looking for

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Speaker 4: weird things today, I reckon one of the weirdest things

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Speaker 4: has got to be the boss of Air Canada resigning,

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Speaker 4: don't you think so? Been following this for the last

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Speaker 4: few days. What happened is after that crash in New

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Speaker 4: York last week, he put out a four minute condolence video,

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Speaker 4: but he only did it in English, and he didn't

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Speaker 4: do it in French, and it kicked off Ay, it

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Speaker 4: went nuts in Canada. And then Mark because because he

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Speaker 4: should have done it in French as well, well he

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Speaker 4: doesn't actually speak any French, well, certainly not well enough

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Speaker 4: to be able to deliver with the sensitivity. Then Mark Carney,

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Speaker 4: the Prime Minister gets involved. Since criticizing him, the online

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Speaker 4: mocking happens, and now as a result like literally, as

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Speaker 4: a result of a four minute video in own one language,

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Speaker 4: he has resigned his job. That is the end of him.

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Speaker 4: To be fair, there is a bit of context that

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Speaker 4: he's had a bit of a run in beforehand about

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Speaker 4: five years ago for not speaking French, and he said

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Speaker 4: he would learn about it. But I'll tell you what

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Speaker 4: if you think we're weird about language, got nothing on

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Speaker 4: the Canadians that week. David Fisher on David tarmaheady.

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Speaker 1: Next, pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather dupers Ellen drive with one New Zealand to coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News talks heavy.

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Speaker 14: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: The Supreme Court has today quashed the convictions of David

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Speaker 4: Tarmaherdey for murdering two Swedish tourists, after he's fought against

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Speaker 4: his convictions for decades. The Supreme Court has found it

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Speaker 4: was wrong of the Court of Appeal a couple of

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Speaker 4: years ago to find him guilty. New Zealand Herald reporter

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Speaker 4: David Fisher has followed the case for years and joins

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Speaker 4: us now high Fish, Hi, Heather.

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Speaker 19: How are you doing very well?

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Speaker 4: Thank you? Were you surprised by this?

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Speaker 19: No, I'm surprised it's taken so long.

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Speaker 9: Actually, the key points that the Supreme Court focused on

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Speaker 9: have been a point of focus for about thirty years.

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Speaker 4: So this ultimately comes down to the jail house snitch,

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Speaker 4: doesn't it.

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Speaker 19: Yes, largely it is the jail house snitch.

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Speaker 9: There's also the issues that were thrown up when varn

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Speaker 9: Holden's body was found, and that very much throughout the

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Speaker 9: Crown narrative of what was almost an entirely circumstantial case.

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Speaker 4: Is this the original claim from Conchie Harris the snitch

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Speaker 4: that the body was dumped in the water, in the

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Speaker 4: sea somewhere, and in the end it was actually found

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Speaker 4: somewhere in the corimandal.

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Speaker 19: There were a number of number of things that Roberto.

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Speaker 9: Conchie Harris had talked about, and certainly the location was

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Speaker 9: one of those things. He had talked about the body

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Speaker 9: being dumped in the sea or the body's being dumped

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Speaker 9: in the sea, But he had also given evidence about

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Speaker 9: how Varn Hogmen was killed and when about Hodgman's body

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Speaker 9: was found, it was clearly a different end that he

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Speaker 9: had suffered. And yeah, so there were a number of

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Speaker 9: issues with his evidence and issues I think which were

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Speaker 9: fairly known since well he told Paul Holmes about it

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Speaker 9: nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 4: Do you think they're going to go for another trial

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Speaker 4: because the Supreme Court says there should be a retrial,

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Speaker 4: but it is up to the crown.

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Speaker 9: Look, that's a real toss of the coin one here,

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Speaker 9: because there have been cases where the crowd has been

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Speaker 9: in this position and decided not to pursue it, and

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Speaker 9: then cases such as David Bain where the Crown did

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Speaker 9: pursue it. The case has taken some serious, serious knocks

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Speaker 9: over the years, and it sounds it sounds like from

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Speaker 9: Tommy Hetty's point of view, that he has been gathering

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Speaker 9: information which would make his defense even stronger. It would

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Speaker 9: be I would think police would need to have a

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Speaker 9: few cards up their sleeve, so to speak, before they

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Speaker 9: were bold enough to take this spin on.

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Speaker 4: Why is David Tomyhead and as lawyer not talking today

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Speaker 4: because up to now they've been pretty vocal.

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Speaker 9: Well, they've got to a point now where he is

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Speaker 9: a defendant before the court, or conceivably could be a

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Speaker 9: defendant before the court. I would imagine that now that

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Speaker 9: he's got to a position that he's been trying to

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Speaker 9: get to for well, thirty five years. He wouldn't want

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Speaker 9: to upset the apple cart.

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Speaker 4: Does this have to go to retrial in order for

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Speaker 4: him to get compo or can he get compo? Just

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Speaker 4: as it is right now?

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Speaker 19: There is capacity for compensation to be granted.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't need to go back through a full trial,

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Speaker 9: and there's probably well, there are some reasonable questions to

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Speaker 9: be asked about whether or not it's a case that

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Speaker 9: would even sustain a full trial, such as the damage

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Speaker 9: that has been done to it over the years. But compensation,

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Speaker 9: if police aren't going to go again, I would think

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Speaker 9: compensation would be a pretty hard argument to beat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, David, thank you very much appreciated. David Fisher, Senior

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Speaker 4: Herald reporter. Eleven past five yea, the dup See Alan

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Speaker 4: got another update on Auckland's housing density plans. First it

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Speaker 4: was a promise of two million new homes, then it

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Speaker 4: was scaled back to one point six million new homes,

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Speaker 4: and now it's been scaled back again to one point

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Speaker 4: four million new homes. Chris Bishop is the Housing Minister.

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Speaker 20: High Bish, good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Okay, why has it gone down again?

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Speaker 21: We wanted to achieve consensus and make sure we put

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Speaker 21: this issue to bed once and for all. It's really

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Speaker 21: important that Auckland continues to grow and it grows in

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Speaker 21: the right places around train stations and the city center,

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Speaker 21: the metro centers, the places where people think it should

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Speaker 21: grow and where the infrastructure exists. And that's what the

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Speaker 21: Auckland Plan will allow to happen. And I think it's

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Speaker 21: a good step forward for Auckland.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so which suburbs are now not going to be affected.

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Speaker 21: Well, those are issues for Auckland Council to deal with.

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Speaker 21: And the really important point is that Auckland is allowed

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Speaker 21: to plan its own city as a central government.

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Speaker 20: We've said, look, you've got to grow around.

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Speaker 21: Train stations, you've got to grow around busways, you've got

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Speaker 21: to grow in the central city, and you've got to

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Speaker 21: grow in metro centers. You know where people go and live,

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Speaker 21: where and play. But beyond that, where exactly the housing goes.

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Speaker 21: That's over to you as a city and it's important

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Speaker 21: that Auckland communities take ownership of this and Auckland Council

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Speaker 21: takes ownership. We don't want to micromanage and plan Auckland.

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Speaker 21: That's an issue for Auckland.

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Speaker 4: Who asked for it to be reduced from one point

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Speaker 4: six to one point four.

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Speaker 21: It was a cabinet decision to do that because we

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Speaker 21: thought it would create greater consensus and certainty.

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Speaker 20: But I do want to con at whom.

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Speaker 21: Consensus across the government and across Auckland with the Council

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Speaker 21: to make sure that we can move forward in this

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Speaker 21: and finally.

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Speaker 20: Put this issue to bed once in the day or

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Speaker 20: ask for this.

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Speaker 21: Well, we achieve consensus as a cabinet and as a government,

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Speaker 21: which is what we are always aiming to do and

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Speaker 21: with the Council. And I do want to stress though

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Speaker 21: that the existing legal requirements around train stations will mean

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Speaker 21: that the number will settle at about one point six.

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Speaker 20: That's what the officials tell me. It will end up

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Speaker 20: being the.

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Speaker 4: Seeing what's the point of saying it's one point four

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Speaker 4: if it's going to be one point six, Well.

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Speaker 21: The legal minimum will be one point four, but it

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Speaker 21: will end up at about one point six.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, could you have made a complicated situation

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Speaker 4: even more complicated?

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Speaker 2: Bish Oh?

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Speaker 20: Trust me, we definitely could.

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Speaker 21: Ways to make this way more complicated that it already has.

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Speaker 21: I mean, this is like rm a gymnastics. It's pretty

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Speaker 21: complicated stuff. Okay, now I'm trying to keep it simple

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Speaker 21: for people.

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Speaker 4: Listen, just really quickly. On the Sunday night meeting that's

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Speaker 4: got everybody excited. What was this was the Sunday night

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Speaker 4: meeting about leadership.

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Speaker 21: I don't know anything about a Sunday night meeting. I

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Speaker 21: mean we as ministers and senior politicians, we get together

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Speaker 21: and talk all the time. And I mean I was

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Speaker 21: talking to pet people this weekend, and I talk to

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Speaker 21: people every weekend because we're looking at what's the captain

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Speaker 21: agenda coming up, and what's coming up during the course

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Speaker 21: of the week, and you know, planning what's going to happen.

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Speaker 21: So you know, if there's a meeting on a Sunday,

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Speaker 21: there's nothing particularly unusual about that. I mean, there wouldn't

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Speaker 21: be a Sunday that goes by that I don't talk

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Speaker 21: to Nikola and Christopher and some me in and the

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Speaker 21: rest of the senior team.

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Speaker 20: I'm on the phone to them all the time.

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Speaker 4: All right, Bish, thank you very much, as always, put

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Speaker 4: that one to bed, then, Chris Bishop Housing, Minister Heather

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Speaker 4: do for see Ellen say by the way on this

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Speaker 4: and I did say this earlier, but on the subject

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Speaker 4: of David Tarmerhead's conviction being quash. There is now a

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Speaker 4: real question about what the heck is going on with

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Speaker 4: convictions from the eighties and nineties or being overturned, well,

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Speaker 4: not all, but many some some being overturned and quashed potentially.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to have a chat to Tim McKinnell,

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Speaker 4: private investigator after half past five bad news on the

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Speaker 4: constant and ongoing deep de industrialization of the country. There's

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Speaker 4: another one. One of Kaitaia's biggest employers is Duken. I

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Speaker 4: think that's how you pronounce it. Duke and New Zealand

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Speaker 4: owns a couple of time mills in Kaitaia. One does

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Speaker 4: storm timber, the other one does a triboard product which

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Speaker 4: is used in construction. They are now looking at shutting down,

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Speaker 2: Heather do for see Allen Heather.

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Speaker 4: I would bet a lot of money there will be

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Speaker 4: no development in Ipsom, Ponsby and any other well off suburbs.

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Speaker 4: I think I'd I'd probably bet a lot of money

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Speaker 4: that this has come from David Seywoll, but I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Bishops sort of didn't answer that question, so who can

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Speaker 4: be sure? Nineteen past five. Now a study out of

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Speaker 4: Australia suggests vaping causes lung in mouth cancer, and this

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Speaker 4: study is getting slammed by the experts. Robert beagelhol is

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Speaker 4: an emeritus professor in public health and a former director

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Speaker 4: for the World Health Organization and with.

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Speaker 5: US high Robert, Good evening, Heaven.

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Speaker 4: Do you also have a problem with this study.

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Speaker 13: I think this is an appalling study, Heather. It is misleading.

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Speaker 13: It doesn't compare vapors with smokers. It detects very low

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Speaker 13: levels of potentially dangerous substances. But of course what is

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Speaker 13: important is how concentrates how much of these substances are

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Speaker 13: in the vapes. Vapes, as we know it, are much

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Speaker 13: much less harmful than cigarettes. They help people stop. We

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Speaker 13: need to be encouraging them, not misleading them.

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Speaker 4: The point that has been made by these research is

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Speaker 4: that there is that there's been no comparison studies between

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Speaker 4: vaping and SIGI smoking. Is that correct.

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Speaker 13: And no, absolutely that is incorrect. There are a lot

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Speaker 13: of comparisons of the toxic ingredients in cigarette smoke and

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Speaker 13: in vape aerosols, and without question, the smoke is much

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Speaker 13: much dangerous, more dangerous from cigarettes than from aerosols, no question.

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Speaker 4: So what is going on here that's like, is there

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Speaker 4: an appetite? Are we sort of primed to want to

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Speaker 4: find out that vaping is worse than it actually is?

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Speaker 4: Because I'm just trying to understand why a study like

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Speaker 4: this is getting all of this attention.

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Speaker 13: Well, it's a misleading study. It's sensational. Something causes cancer,

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Speaker 13: it get the headlines.

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Speaker 4: I mean, eating drinking.

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Speaker 13: Apple juice is associated with cancer. People who drink orange

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Speaker 13: juice get cancer. It's not because of the orange juice,

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Speaker 13: because of the other factors going on. There's no question

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Speaker 13: that there's a beat up against vapes and that is

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Speaker 13: misleading and I would say irresponsible and potentially harmful to

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Speaker 13: an adult who work up this morning thinking well, maybe

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Speaker 13: this is the day I'm going to go to vapes.

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Speaker 13: They see this study headlined, they say, why would I

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Speaker 13: go to vapes if some Australian is telling me that

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Speaker 13: it's causing cancer it's dangerous?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough, Robert, thank you very much, really appreciate

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Speaker 4: your time. It's Robert. Professor Robert beegelhol Emeritus Professor in

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Speaker 4: Public Health at the University of Auckland. Right next, we're

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Speaker 4: going to deal with something rather odd, the Pope, Donald

878
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Speaker 4: Trump and God five twenty one.

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Speaker 1: The name you trust to get the answers you need,

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Speaker 1: it's Heather duplusy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

881
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Speaker 1: like no one else US talk there'd be hey.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Spark has turned off its three G.

883
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Speaker 4: So rip to the three G. And also kia kaha

884
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Speaker 4: to everybody whose kindles aren't going to work anymore as

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Speaker 4: off today five twenty four. Now, as you well know,

886
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Speaker 4: the White House is weird. But even for them, it

887
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Speaker 4: is quite weird to be in a fight with the

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Speaker 4: Pope about whether God is listening to their prayers or not.

889
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Speaker 4: The White House is today defending praying for US soldiers

890
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Speaker 4: fighting in the Middle East because the Pope said yesterday

891
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Speaker 4: that God isn't listening. Because God is and I quote

892
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Speaker 4: a God who refuses war, who does not listen to

893
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Speaker 4: the prayer of those who wage war. Now it is

894
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Speaker 4: weird to have a debate about theology on Newstalk ZB

895
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Speaker 4: But here we go. The Pope is wrong about war.

896
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Speaker 4: Now I can say this because I'm not a Catholic.

897
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Speaker 4: I don't have to pretend that he knows everything. The

898
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Speaker 4: Pope is wrong about war. The Bible makes it clear

899
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Speaker 4: some wars are just, and those involved and just wars

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Speaker 4: can pray for help. So what you therefore have to

901
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Speaker 4: deduce is what the Pope is doing is making a

902
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Speaker 4: moral judgment on who's the goody and the baddie in

903
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Speaker 4: this war. And if he means that Donald Trump is

904
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Speaker 4: doing the wrong thing, if Donald Trump is the bad he,

905
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Speaker 4: then theologically he's right because John nine, verse thirty one,

906
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Speaker 4: we know that God does not hear sinners. Now this

907
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Speaker 4: brings us to, in the weirdest possible way, a fair

908
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Speaker 4: question which I don't think has been adequately addressed. Actually,

909
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Speaker 4: did Donald Trump do the right thing by striking Iran?

910
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Speaker 4: The assumption seems to be in the legacy media. No,

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Speaker 4: it was the wrong thing to do. I'm of the

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Speaker 4: view that he did the right thing here. Iran was

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Speaker 4: building a nuclear weapon, it was funding the murder of

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Speaker 4: people in the Middle East, it was killing its own people.

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Speaker 4: It was essentially causing chaos, largely uninterrupted. And that is

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Speaker 4: why you will have a look around at all the

917
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Speaker 4: states around it, who are not that unhappy that it

918
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Speaker 4: has been struck The question is not whether Donald Trump

919
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Speaker 4: was right to do this. The question is whether it

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Speaker 4: was worth it, because we are going to pay a

921
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Speaker 4: huge price for this war. It's going to be huge

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Speaker 4: fuel shortages in some parts of the world. They're going

923
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Speaker 4: to have food shortages that will be huge costs. Anything

924
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Speaker 4: related to diesel, which is everything in New Zealand is

925
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Speaker 4: going to go up in price, inflation up, growth down.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be really big. And in the end,

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Speaker 4: if there is no regime change in Iran, Iran may

928
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Speaker 4: just go back to doing what it was doing beforehand.

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Speaker 4: And we've paid all of this price for nothing, So

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Speaker 4: was it worth it? Is actually the real debate.

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Speaker 2: Either duplusy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: For the first time in ages, and by the way,

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Speaker 4: we'll get Huddle's weigh in on that, for the first

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Speaker 4: time in ages, the Greens are in the news for

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Speaker 4: something which I think is the right thing to do.

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Speaker 4: They're not actually doing the dumbest thing possible here, so

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Speaker 4: they are in the news. You could not believe the

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Speaker 4: brew haha that has been kicked up by a sex

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Speaker 4: worker who is claiming that she has been told by

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Speaker 4: the Greens that she can't become an MP because it

941
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Speaker 4: would distract from the Green Party's Green Party's goals. They're

942
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Speaker 4: messaging goals right. She is the chair of a group

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Speaker 4: called Fired Up Stiletto's, which is a sex workers' rights collective,

944
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Speaker 4: and she claims and the Fired Up Stilettos is speaking

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Speaker 4: on her behalf, claiming that she was interrogated by the

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Speaker 4: Greens on her journey to become an MP. Now the

947
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Speaker 4: Greens say this is not true. They didn't reject her

948
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Speaker 4: because of her sex work, and the whole thing has

949
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Speaker 4: been misinterpreted. But whatever, I mean. Obviously they're going to

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Speaker 4: say this because you know, there'll be a whole bunch

951
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Speaker 4: of woky people out there who'll get upset about this,

952
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Speaker 4: and the Greens want to have their vote. But any

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Speaker 4: party in their right mind would say no to a

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Speaker 4: current prostitute, wouldn't they. I mean, I'm assuming she's still

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Speaker 4: a prostitute. She might not be. She might have hung

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Speaker 4: up the whatever what I don't g string, I don't know.

957
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Speaker 4: She might have hung it up in order to become

958
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Speaker 4: the chair of Fired Up Stiletto's. I don't know. But

959
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Speaker 4: surely to God we can all accept that if you're

960
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Speaker 4: a sex worker who becomes an MP, It would be

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Speaker 4: really distracting, wouldn't it though, That's the only thing Winston

962
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Speaker 4: and Shane are going to go on about in the

963
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Speaker 4: house And aren't there enough, like aren't the Greens what

964
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Speaker 4: the Greens are a bunch of misfits already right? What

965
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Speaker 4: they need is more James Shaws and less sex workers.

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Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? Anyway, Well done the

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Speaker 4: Greens for making the right decision this time. Tom mckinnall's

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Speaker 4: next on.

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Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

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Speaker 1: car on your drive home. It's hither duplicy Ellen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand tend the power of satellite mobile

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Speaker 1: can news talk said?

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Speaker 22: Be bever you co.

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Speaker 13: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Cal Bella's going up tomorrow. I'm sorry to tell you,

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Speaker 4: but we're going to talk to Paul Fuge of Consumer

977
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Speaker 4: New Zealand about that after six o'clock. Here the what

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Speaker 4: about Georgina Byer good point? She had a background in

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Speaker 4: the sex industry with the Greens have stopped her for standing. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Now we had this debate because we have discussed this

981
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Speaker 4: in the newsroom and the conclusion that I came to

982
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Speaker 4: I have adjudicated this one. I came to the conclusion

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Speaker 4: of the difference between the old mate who wants to

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Speaker 4: run for Green for the Greens in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 4: and Georgina Buyer was Georgina had already given up her

986
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Speaker 4: sex work by the time she had got into politics.

987
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Speaker 4: But also she had been washed clean by Carterton, so

988
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Speaker 4: she'd already stood in Carterton and that had kind of

989
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 4: redeemed her somewhat, and then she could stand for the

990
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Speaker 4: Labor Party in Parliament. However, don't take my word for it.

991
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Speaker 4: We're going to run it into the huddle. Doesn't even

992
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 4: know this is coming. But Phil Goff and Trisha Cherson

993
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Speaker 4: is with us shortly, so we'll ask him about it.

994
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Speaker 4: Twenty four away from six. Now, let's get back to

995
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Speaker 4: the news that the Supreme Court has quashed David palmer

996
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Speaker 4: Head his convictions for double murder. You've got to wonder, though,

997
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Speaker 4: why it is that so many convictions from the eighties

998
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Speaker 4: and nineties are being overturned or quashed. Private investigator and

999
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Speaker 4: former police officer Tim mckinnall is with us. High Tim

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Speaker 4: by Heather, why is it happening?

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Speaker 11: Oh, that's a good question, and one of the reasons

1002
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Speaker 11: we don't know a complete answer to that is because

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Speaker 11: there's never been since the Arthur Allen Thomas case a

1004
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Speaker 11: review of what's gone wrong in one or more of

1005
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Speaker 11: these problematic cases.

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Speaker 4: Is it? I mean, we are seeing a lot of

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Speaker 4: cases from the eighties and nineties, But is it actually?

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Speaker 4: I mean, is this just what I am seeing and

1009
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Speaker 4: therefore imagining it's a thing? Does it end two thousand?

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Speaker 23: Is it?

1011
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Speaker 4: Does it continue?

1012
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 11: I thank you so much extent that it continues. There

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Speaker 11: certainly appears to be a clump of cases from sort

1015
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Speaker 11: of the mid eighties right through to two thousand and

1016
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Speaker 11: five twenty ten. And I'm aware of other cases aren't

1017
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Speaker 11: yet non publicly that are making their way through the

1018
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 11: system that are likely to cause a bit of a

1019
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Speaker 11: stair as well. So there's certainly an issue there.

1020
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Speaker 4: Okay, Now what do you put it down to? Do

1021
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 4: you put it down to problems in the court system?

1022
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 4: Is it problems with dodgy police work? Is it the lawyers?

1023
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Speaker 4: What is it?

1024
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Speaker 14: It's combination of things.

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Speaker 11: So I think there are some structural issues we have

1026
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Speaker 11: in the justice system. Like many similar countries, we have

1027
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Speaker 11: an adversarial system, and that is where two sides go

1028
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 11: to go to war and hope that the truth wins,

1029
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Speaker 11: and that's not always what happens. But I think we've

1030
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Speaker 11: probably got over the years, we've had an overly permissive

1031
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Speaker 11: approach to some police tactics and conduct, and the courts

1032
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Speaker 11: have let them away with a little too much, and

1033
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Speaker 11: I think we're starting to see the fruits of that.

1034
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Speaker 14: Now.

1035
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Speaker 4: Is it just New Zealand or is this happening around

1036
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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 11: It's global, so we're not unique. There's perhaps a bit

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Speaker 11: of a lag here in New Zealand. There's a view

1039
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Speaker 11: that I've come to. We know that the UK and

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Speaker 11: the US have the Innocence Project in the CCRC or

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Speaker 11: the Criminal Cases Review Commission. We've now got one of those,

1042
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Speaker 11: but we're probably fifteen twenty years behind other jurisdictions. The

1043
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Speaker 11: issues that we're seeing are pretty familiar around the world.

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Speaker 4: And so is part of the I mean we have

1045
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Speaker 4: had a real run of these cases in recent years.

1046
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Speaker 4: Is that because the Criminal Cases Review Commission or besides it.

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Speaker 11: Well, their work is incredibly difficult and complex and it

1048
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Speaker 11: takes time for cases to pop out of there. But

1049
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Speaker 11: there are some cases with the Commission, as I understand it,

1050
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Speaker 11: that are relatively high profile. But these are the cases

1051
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Speaker 11: that we're talking about now. The lawyers, investigators, journalists have

1052
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Speaker 11: plugged away at them four years, sometimes decades before they

1053
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Speaker 11: make their way back to the courts.

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Speaker 14: And that's a problem.

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Speaker 4: The issues that we are talking about here that may

1056
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Speaker 4: have led to this in the eighties, nineties, maybe, as

1057
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Speaker 4: you say, all the way through to two thousand and

1058
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Speaker 4: five twenty ten, have they been resolved or are we

1059
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Speaker 4: going to go thirty years down the track and find

1060
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 4: the same things happening to the twenty twenties.

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Speaker 11: I think we're starting to understand better what the issues are,

1062
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Speaker 11: and again they reflected in the global tends. But what

1063
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Speaker 11: I haven't seen in New Zealand is an attempt to

1064
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Speaker 11: try and remedy the issues. So there's a range of

1065
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Speaker 11: types of evidence that are really high risk, and we

1066
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Speaker 11: continue to expose juries to that type of evidence, and

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Speaker 11: I think we need to do something about that rather urgently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Tim, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 4: Tim mckinnall, private investigator and former police officer, twenty away

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Speaker 4: from six.

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Speaker 4: On the huddle of this this evening, Tris Shurson Shurson

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Speaker 4: willis pr and Phil Goff, former Labor Party minister, and

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Speaker 4: Auklam there, Hello you two. I fell all right, so

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Speaker 4: tru you worried about it? Trusure you there?

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Speaker 24: Yes, I am sorry.

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Speaker 6: Go again.

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Speaker 4: He worried about convictions of the eighties and nineties and

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Speaker 4: what we're seeing here. Read the David tamerheader case.

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Speaker 24: You know, when you hear a story like this, there's

1082
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Speaker 24: something deep inside of you that goes, oh. You know,

1083
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Speaker 24: I think in all of us is kind of your

1084
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Speaker 24: worst fear is a wrongful a wrongful conviction. But I

1085
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Speaker 24: think we need to be really clear around the sun.

1086
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Speaker 24: This is a major failure of the justice system, but

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Speaker 24: it's not in itself a triumph for any side. If

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Speaker 24: you if you look at actually what the decision is,

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Speaker 24: it's about that the trial was unfair. And I think

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Speaker 24: the point here is not whether we or anyone likes

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Speaker 24: Tom Ahead. Either point is whether the system got it right,

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Speaker 24: and it clearly didn't. And you know, if you have

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Speaker 24: a conviction that relied on tainted or unreliable evidence, it

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00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 24: shouldn't stand full stop that that you know, we can't

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Speaker 24: have a system that that fights for that. But I

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Speaker 24: think the other really grim part here is the time

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Speaker 24: that's gone by nearly four decades and we've still got

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Speaker 24: no finality. So it's really devastating in my view for

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Speaker 24: everyone involved. And let's not forget the victims' families here. Phil,

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Speaker 24: do you.

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Speaker 4: Think it will go to retrump?

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I've been wondering about that. Part of me says, God,

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Speaker 23: it's forty years ago now and it's going to cost millions.

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Speaker 23: Another part of me said, look, I'm not convinced yet

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Speaker 23: that Tom Hearry is innocent. I think the Supreme Court's

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Speaker 23: probably got it right in saying, you know, tainted evidence

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Speaker 23: and there should be a retrial. But you can see

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Speaker 23: why the police did what they did. I mean, Tom

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Speaker 23: Herry was in possession of the car that belonged to

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Speaker 23: the two that were murdered, and he had a prior

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Speaker 23: conviction for killing a woman by hitting her on the

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Speaker 23: head with the rifle, and he was facing charges before

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Speaker 23: he absconded on violent sexual assault. You know, he fitted

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Speaker 23: the bill, but often when you fit the bill like that,

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Speaker 23: the police then ignore the evidence that goes against their

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Speaker 23: case and only listens to something that might help their case.

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Speaker 23: And I think the police have got an opplication to

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Speaker 23: keep an open mind because the task that they've got

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Speaker 23: is to find the person who is guilty, not simply

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Speaker 23: it's not an adversarial game, just we need to win.

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Speaker 23: Do we have enough evidence to show that this man,

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Speaker 23: beyond reasonable doubt murdered this couple they thought they did.

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Speaker 23: They may be right, but a lot of what they

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Speaker 23: a lot of their case was wrong. Based on you know,

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Speaker 23: the guy that purged himself, who was a jail bird anyway,

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Speaker 23: why would you believe him? And based on the fact

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Speaker 23: that the body that was found was found seventy kilometers

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Speaker 23: away from the scenario that they post. You know, they

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Speaker 23: are big holes in the prosecution case, right they are?

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Speaker 4: Now, Trish, what do you think can the Greens field

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Speaker 4: a candidate who's a sex worker?

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Speaker 24: Well, I don't think there's anything stopping them from doing that.

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Speaker 24: And let's face it, the Greens is probably by definition

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Speaker 24: the very broadest church of any political party. But in

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Speaker 24: my view, your comment was right around the kind of

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Speaker 24: candidates the Greens need you know more James Shaw less

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Speaker 24: sex worker And let me tell you the really important

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 24: reason why James Shaw was he had an amazing ability

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Speaker 24: to bridge the divide between the Greens and business to

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Speaker 24: get a wide consensus around you know, the really big

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Speaker 24: climate goals. But more importantly for the Greens, James was

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Speaker 24: the reason that a lot of Green supporters in the

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Speaker 24: leafy inner suburbs of Auckland, where a lot of their

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Speaker 24: big donations came from. He was the reason that those

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Speaker 24: donations came in. And my view is that the Green

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 24: Party will have a very challenging time fundraising for this

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 24: campaign because they don't have anyone like James Shaw to

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Speaker 24: to appeal to people.

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Speaker 4: I think you might be right, Philip. Also, the thing

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Speaker 4: is labor. The Labor Party around the time of Georgina

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00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 4: was was quite a serious institution, so it could afford

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00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 4: to have like just a few kind of out there characters,

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Speaker 4: whereas the Greens isn't. It doesn't it doesn't have the

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Speaker 4: same serious vibes. They probably can't afford to take risks

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Speaker 4: on sex workers.

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Speaker 23: What do you think, Yeah, that's probably right. I remember

1157
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 23: going canvassing with Georgina up and the Wira Rapper, and

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00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 23: I thought I was there to help her, but every

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Speaker 23: door I.

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Speaker 20: Knocked on the head.

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Speaker 23: Oh, Georgia, she's been a wonderful mayor and what a character,

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Speaker 23: you know. Yeah, And I remember Georgina saying to me

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Speaker 23: one time, they can't accuse me of anything because I've

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Speaker 23: confessed to everything already. Look Georgina was. Look she was,

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Speaker 23: you know, she was a serious character. I don't know

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Speaker 23: the person the Greens have chosen. Your first political instinct

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Speaker 23: is if I was running the Green Party, I'd say,

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Speaker 23: why did the teal candidates in Australia? The Blue Greens

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Speaker 23: in Australia do so well, And that's because there is

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Speaker 23: a constituent and see out there for people serious on

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Speaker 23: environmental matters. But they know the Greens can allow themselves

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Speaker 23: to be painted as being a little bit wacky and

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Speaker 23: that doesn't help them and probably doesn't help labor either,

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Speaker 23: you know, I would the troubles their activists are always

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Speaker 23: in Activists in any party are always more on the

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Speaker 23: extreme than the mainstream parties themselves. So they choose to

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Speaker 23: tend to pick candidates that appeal to them. They need

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Speaker 23: to pick candidates that also appeal to the elector.

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Speaker 4: Yep, too, right, they get a bit distracted by the activists,

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Speaker 4: all right, We'll take a break, come back to you, guys,

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Speaker 4: talk about Donald Trump and God and the Pope. In

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Speaker 4: a minute. Are fall teen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 4: Right, you're back of the huddle, Tricias and Phil GoF Trish.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Donald Trump did the right thing striking

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Speaker 4: a run?

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Speaker 24: I am still not convinced that it's the right thing

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Speaker 24: to do. And I think what we are continuing to

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Speaker 24: see is that it was a strike made a without

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Speaker 24: the right level of evidence, B without the right level

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Speaker 24: of strategic planning behind it, and C without the right

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Speaker 24: level of thinking about the very real world consequences that

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Speaker 24: would naturally flow from that. And I was reading over

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Speaker 24: the weekend an article about how, you know, in all

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Speaker 24: of the years thinking about what to do about Iran,

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Speaker 24: the straight of hor Moos was one of the biggest

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Speaker 24: vulnerabilities and the biggest risk to doing anything. And I

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Speaker 24: think the point for me is this, Heather, that what

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Speaker 24: I've seen from Donald Trump and from those close to

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Speaker 24: him around this their comments about why they've done it

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Speaker 24: and how this ends from here, they are absolutely all

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Speaker 24: over the show, and in no way for me do

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Speaker 24: they ladder up to what you would expect of a

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Speaker 24: global power, who has who has attacked another sovereign nation.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know if I should ask you this question, Phil,

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Speaker 4: because I think already I think we're bad this discuss.

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Speaker 4: You're on the side of, aren't you.

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Speaker 23: Look Look, absolutely, we're seeing a whole of costs from

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Speaker 23: this war, and we're seeing no benefits. The costs well,

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Speaker 23: you know, just ask anyone that goes down to their

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Speaker 23: service station, look at the business confidence figures today. Our

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Speaker 23: inflation will be up, our growth will be down, our

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Speaker 23: recovery will be put off. We might find that we

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Speaker 23: start to run short on fuel. But put alongside that,

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Speaker 23: you know, thousands of deaths already in both Iran and Lebanon,

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Speaker 23: huge destruction, hundreds of billions of dollars worth of destruction.

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Speaker 23: We've got a war that was started against the Charter

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Speaker 23: of the United Nations and international law. They said that

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Speaker 23: they were going to get regime changed. There was never

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Speaker 23: any chance they have changed the regime made it worse.

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Speaker 23: You know, you you look at will stop Iran creating

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Speaker 23: a nuclear weapon? Actually, it will make it more likely

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Speaker 23: because we actually had things in place, agreements in place

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Speaker 23: before the first Trump administration. I do I believe it.

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Speaker 20: I believe it.

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Speaker 23: I was minister. I was Minister Foreign Affairs when they

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Speaker 23: decided they'd go into invade Iraq because it had weapons

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Speaker 23: of mass destruction. I worked with the United Nations supervisor,

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Speaker 23: a guy called hands Flicks. Then I knew that wasn't true.

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Speaker 23: Our security intelligence people told me it wasn't true. They

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Speaker 23: went in in a lie on this. If you've got

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Speaker 23: verification and monitoring by international agencies, you've got better chance

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Speaker 23: of stopping a nuclear weapon than so called Trumps, many

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Speaker 23: times obliterating their facilities. You can only obliterate something once,

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Speaker 23: it means you totally destroy it. They keep claiming now

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Speaker 23: that they still have weapons despite having obliterated it, and

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Speaker 23: the intelligence service, the Pentagon, and the and the CIA

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Speaker 23: both told Trump there was no imminent threat of them

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Speaker 23: developing a nuclear weapon. So it was all based on

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Speaker 23: a lie, on a capricious, inconsistent individual that's causing this

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Speaker 23: world a lot of grief and a lot of costs.

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Speaker 24: Guys, and before before Phil completely overheats, I think the

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Speaker 24: other point, if you've got any any inkling of whether

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Speaker 24: or not the right people are in charge here. What

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01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 24: is deeply concerning is you have those around Trump openly

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Speaker 24: saying that this is now some kind of wacky religious

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Speaker 24: crusade that they are embarking on. And to me, that's

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Speaker 24: like fairies at the bottom of the garden. And it

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Speaker 24: just shows you that you know that this, that you

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Speaker 24: know the lunatics have taken over the asylum. And to

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Speaker 24: Phil's point, we are all paying for it now. Every

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Speaker 24: time we fill up.

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Speaker 4: The carp are, a question is whether it was worth it. Guys,

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Speaker 4: it was good to talk to you. Thank you, Trishus

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Speaker 4: and Phil GoF Why was the point is going to

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01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 4: make about iranas. It's no point believing them when they say, oh, no,

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Speaker 4: cool call, we won't build a nuclear weapon whatever. But

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Speaker 4: the problem is we have not solved this issue. The

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Speaker 4: strikes have not solved this issue. And somebody pointed out

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Speaker 4: to me today, now they'll probably just give up and

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Speaker 4: go and buy it off somebody, and that is a possibility.

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Speaker 4: Seven away from six it's.

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Speaker 1: The Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 4: Be five away from six Now, if you listen to

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Speaker 4: the show, you'll know that that when we talk about

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Speaker 4: council assets, I rave and I rave about the fact

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Speaker 4: that I think that councils need to make their assets

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Speaker 4: pay more, get more money from their assets so they

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Speaker 4: can tap the rate payers less. And I've got the

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Speaker 4: perfect example of it Hamilton Gardens. So Hamilton Gardens that

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Speaker 4: they're going to decide a little bit. They're going to

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Speaker 4: make a decision about Hamilton Gardens on Thursday. But Hamilton

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Speaker 4: Gardens has been bringing in huge amounts of for Hamilton

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Speaker 4: since they introduced the fees. So it's still free for Hamiltonians,

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Speaker 4: like local residents can still go in for free because

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01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 4: of course it's theirs, but everybody else from everywhere else

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Speaker 4: has to pay twenty bucks to go and look at

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Speaker 4: the gardens. And this summer alone it has brought in

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Speaker 4: two point five nine million dollars, which is a lot

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Speaker 4: because the rest of the attractions have only brought in

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Speaker 4: about one and a half, and these guys at the

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Speaker 4: gardens are broad in two and a half anyway, So

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Speaker 4: as a result they are thinking and it's one of

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Speaker 4: the I think it is one of the lowest, if

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Speaker 4: not the lowest price attraction in the country. So as

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Speaker 4: a result, the council is going to meet on Thursday

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Speaker 4: and de side whether they bump up the twenty buck

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Speaker 4: entry fee to twenty seven and a half, and I

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Speaker 4: would say, go for it, bringing in the dollars. Now,

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Speaker 4: Sam the producer, ran in just a minute before and

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Speaker 4: he goes, oh, my gosh, there's a reshuffle. National's having

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Speaker 4: a reshuffle this week. And I was like, yeah, I know.

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Speaker 4: And maybe I've made a mistake not telling you that

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Speaker 4: that National is having a reshuffle because I just assumed

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Speaker 4: you would find it boring because I find it boring.

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Speaker 4: But Sam does not find it boring. So I'm going

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Speaker 4: to tell you Nationals having a reshuffle this week. This

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01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 4: is the big reshuffle we've been waiting for. Remember when

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01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 4: there was a reshuffle at the start of the year

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Speaker 4: and it didn't happen, and then Luxelm was asked about

1303
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 4: it and he was like, well, I'm waiting for a

1304
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Speaker 4: few more you resignations And that was Jac's Resignation's Duco

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Speaker 4: Judith Collins, she's now resigned. Somebody has to get the

1306
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 4: the you know ag job, the Attorney general Job's gotta

1307
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 4: doled out a whole bunch of stuff. I'm not I

1308
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 4: think it's a bit naval Gazer's a bit like belt Wagh,

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 4: isn't it. It's a bit nerdy. It's a bit politics nerd,

1310
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 4: but geese. If you're looking for something interesting, the interesting

1311
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 4: thing is going to be whether Chris Bishop loses any

1312
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 4: of his portfolios or anything as like a bit of

1313
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Speaker 4: a punishment for the coup he tried to do in December.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, We'll see. I don't know you did, Sam,

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Speaker 4: need to tell me to tell you that now, you know,

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Speaker 4: talk about Prower prices.

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Speaker 1: Next, keeping track of where the money is glowing the

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Speaker 1: Business hour with Head the Duper c Allent and MAS

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments.

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Speaker 2: Your future is in good hands, U storm ZB.

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Speaker 4: Good evening coming up in the next hour, Paul Bloxham

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Speaker 4: of HSBC with an overview of what this war in

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01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 4: Iran is going to do to our economy has done

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01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 4: so far. Jamie mackay is going to talk us through.

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 4: Apparently none of the labor mpace turned up to the

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Speaker 4: Fed Farmer's event, and we also have Indebrady out of

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Speaker 4: the UK seven past six. Now bad news as if

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01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: the looming price of everything going up because of the

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Speaker 4: Iran war. Isn't bad enough? Your power bill is going

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Speaker 4: up and it's going up tomorrow by a predicted five

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Speaker 4: to ten percent. Paul Fuse is the manager of Consumer

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Speaker 4: New Zealand's power switching with us HI Paul Good evening.

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Speaker 4: This is down to the line charges, isn't.

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Speaker 25: It mostly linees charges? So the increase is split roughly

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01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 25: sixty percent for the lines increases and around forty percent

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Speaker 25: for the energy itself in terms of increases.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, so fairbit is coming from from the power companies,

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Speaker 4: even though they blame the line's charges.

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Speaker 25: Correct, that's right, So it's it's your last It was

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Speaker 25: a larger lines increase, it's a more moderate increase this year,

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Speaker 25: and we'll continue to be increases the next four years

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Speaker 25: with this regulatory cycle.

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Speaker 4: You guys done any comparisons as to which power companies

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Speaker 4: are doing less of a height and which are doing more.

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Speaker 25: It's actually difficult to tell because it varies between the

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Speaker 25: different regions and the different plan types as well. And

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Speaker 25: also on top of that, some retailers have different strategies.

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Speaker 25: So although most retailers will put their prices up on

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Speaker 25: one April because that's when the prices, the line's prices change,

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Speaker 25: So retailers are clever they and they basically put their

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Speaker 25: prices in with that increase. But this year some have

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Speaker 25: gone a little bit early in someone going a little

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Speaker 25: bit later. So it's difficult to tell because there is

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Speaker 25: quite a bit of variances as well. So for example,

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Speaker 25: we looked across our power switch database and we looked

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Speaker 25: across New Zealand a typical household for a typical type

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Speaker 25: of plans, that's what we call a controlled hot water plan,

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Speaker 25: which is fairly typical across the country, and we found

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Speaker 25: that the price increases range from four to its highest

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Speaker 25: twelve percent across the country for that same plan for

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Speaker 25: the same sort of household. So it really does vary

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Speaker 25: in terms of the increase, So some households will see

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Speaker 25: a lower increase and some will see higher depending on

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Speaker 25: a range of factors.

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Speaker 4: I mean this is this goes some way to explaining

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Speaker 4: why it's so difficult for consumers to decide which power

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Speaker 4: plan to be on and which company to be with.

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Speaker 25: Right, well, that's right, and that's why we run powers

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Speaker 25: which in an ideal world you shouldn't need a price

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Speaker 25: comparison site, you know, any price comparison sites for most things.

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Speaker 25: But yeah, because it is so confident and so complex

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Speaker 25: and the maths is so hard, we have to run

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Speaker 25: the service were running for twenty five years now to

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Speaker 25: try and help people, you know, make head detail of this.

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Speaker 4: Well, do you have a view on whether the gentailers

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Speaker 4: should be broken up?

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Speaker 25: Yes, we do so Consuming New Zealand's always head of

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 25: view that we feel it needs to be greater separation

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Speaker 25: between the generation and retail parts. If you want the

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Speaker 25: retail market to function as it should be or wasn't

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Speaker 25: envisiits it with function, we're not seeing the competition in

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Speaker 25: that retail space that would help bring prices down. And

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Speaker 25: part of that is because you know, the generation and

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Speaker 25: retail are joined together, there's greater separation. We think there'd

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Speaker 25: be more more competitive pressure.

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Speaker 4: Explain to me why this should happen. What is the

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Speaker 4: benefit in taking a gent tailor breaking it up so

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Speaker 4: the generation is on one side the retailers on the other.

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Speaker 4: How does that bring the prices down?

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Speaker 25: Because it increases competitive pressure. So you understand if you

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Speaker 25: are a non generator and you're having to purchase eultricity

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Speaker 25: from the very same people you're competing against. I mean,

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Speaker 25: you don't need to be a market expert or and

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Speaker 25: economists to see the inherent flaws in that. In terms

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Speaker 25: of competition, it's very hard for independent retailers to compete.

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Speaker 25: And if you look at the profits of the of

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Speaker 25: the gentailers, they're quite large. And then the competitive market,

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Speaker 25: when you see large profits, you expect to see a

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Speaker 25: rush of people rushing into that market, and we don't

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Speaker 25: see that, and we're seeing these small independents ready struggle

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Speaker 25: to get a foothold even though they're offering quite competitive rates.

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Speaker 25: So if you look at Octopus Energy, it's a massive

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Speaker 25: retailer overseas, it's one of the largest retailers in the

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Speaker 25: UK and an Asian hour. It's really struggling get a

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Speaker 25: foothold here because it just can't compete with these large

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Speaker 25: gen tailors.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So one of the problems, I mean, and probably

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Speaker 4: the biggest criticism of the gen tailors is what they're

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Speaker 4: doing is they're artificially keeping the price of power high

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Speaker 4: by not building enough generation, and so they keep it

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Speaker 4: just on that kind of edge so they can keep

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Speaker 4: on making as much money as possible. Does breaking that up?

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Speaker 4: Does breaking up a gent tailor solve that problem?

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Speaker 19: No, it won't.

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Speaker 25: You're right there, that's a market structure problem. The way

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Speaker 25: that we price elticity in terms of the market, in

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Speaker 25: terms of our dispatch, and that sort of incentivizes scarcity

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 25: because at the moment, the marginal generator that's the last

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01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 25: generator in the stack, sets the price. So even though

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Speaker 25: we've got a really low cost renewable base of really

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01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 25: quite old renewable power stations, the price is predominantly set

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Speaker 25: by expensive gas fired and coal fired power.

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Speaker 4: Station soundly sets it, right, that's right.

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Speaker 25: So even though we're sort of eighteen ninety percent renewable,

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01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 25: the gas power station is setting the price to eighty

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Speaker 25: percent of the time. So that's what's driving the price up.

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Speaker 25: Is we're not paying on the on the price of

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 25: the actual generation. We're paying on that marginal generator. And

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 25: of course if that unit that benefits the lower cost

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01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 25: generator because they're getting paid a higher price, So the

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Speaker 25: incentivist to always keep it at that point where they're

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 25: gett that high price. So the market incentivizes that scarcity

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 25: use it drives the higher profit. So if you want

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Speaker 25: the price to come down. You need to change that mechanism.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, quite how you do that is another question? All right,

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Speaker 4: Paul I really appreciated this porfuge Consumer to Zealand power

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Speaker 4: Switch manager. The reason I asked in that question is

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Speaker 4: because I I I'm starting to think that we might

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01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 4: have to do this. So ordinarily I would really hate

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01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 4: this idea anything like that, because going in there and

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01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 4: mucking around with a corporate that you do not own

1442
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 4: one hundred percent of, as the government starting to force

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, that is going to create all

1444
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,639
Speaker 4: kinds of investor loss of confidence, right that you don't

1445
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 4: want to lose investor confidence in the country. But now

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01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 4: I'm starting to come around to the idea will hold

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Speaker 4: on a tick?

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 4: Is that the lesser of two evils? Because we're it's

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01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 4: not as if the situation that we've got at the

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 4: moment is a good situation. Right, So you're going to

1452
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,600
Speaker 4: have to choose which of the two is worse for

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 4: New Zealand. Is it worse for New Zealand that we

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 4: go in there and we break up those gent tailors

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 4: for once and for all and try to get some

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,600
Speaker 4: competition going, or is it worse for New Zealand, that

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 4: we carry on the way that we are with power

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01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 4: prices so high that families can't heat their houses, and

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: that the country is shutting down plants because of power prices,

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 4: which is worse because I think one, I think we

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01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 4: take a risk with and we shock people. The other

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01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 4: one is we slowly drive ourselves into poverty. And so

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Speaker 4: I'm starting to come around to the idea that maybe maybe,

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01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 4: oh I hate to say it, maybe New Zealand first

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 4: is onto something wanting to break up the gen tailors. Anyway,

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 4: I'm not hard and fast on. I'm I'm just I'm

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Speaker 4: flirting with the idea at the moment. We'll see where

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01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 4: we go with this, and I will say there are

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Speaker 4: some very clever people who do actually think it's a

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 4: good idea. So if I do go, if I do

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Speaker 4: cross the rubicon, I will be with some good company.

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Speaker 4: Here are your numbers. In ZX fifty is up one

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:17,480
Speaker 4: point two eight percent today. Will take that the ASX

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01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 4: fifty is up zero point thirty six percent so far today.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 4: A barrel of Brent crude is now sitting at one

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01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,800
Speaker 4: hundred and seven dollars U s ITX comeback ever so

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01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 4: slightly one New Zealand dollar is worth fifty seven US

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 4: cns eighty three Australian cents, fifty eurosins forty three UK

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 4: penser ninety one yen. It's quarter passed.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 4: Right seventeen past six and Jamie mckaie, hosts of the

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Speaker 4: countries of this. So know, Jamie can I, Heather, did

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Speaker 4: none of the labor MPs turn up?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 26: After you naming and shaming them and embarrassing me, Heather, No,

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Speaker 26: none of them turned up. Apparently there was a bit

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 26: of sickness in the caucus. This is of course to

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Speaker 26: the Federated Farmer's High Country Field Day last Friday, and

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Speaker 26: what a cracking day it was too. At Glenary Station

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01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 26: two hundred and eighty people. There a lot of high

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01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 26: country farmers, six or nearly a seventy thousand hectare farm

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 26: just up from Waikaia and northern Southland spans over into

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Speaker 26: Central Otago as well, and they've even got a thirty

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 26: one thousand hectare paddock out the back, although they don't

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01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 26: actually graze that at the moment, and so the FEDS

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Speaker 26: are not the Feds. Let me try that again. The

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 26: labor politicians never turned up. Andrew Hogart did, Mark Patterson

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01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 26: did act in New Zealand. First, both Associate Ministers of Agriculture,

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Speaker 26: Mike Butterick was there, Penny Simmons and Joseph Mooney, the

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01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 26: two local MPs were there. But the idea of the

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 26: field day was to get the opposition, the MP's along,

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01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 26: so they could try and plead their case, especially when

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 26: it comes to things like wilding pines. And this is

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Speaker 26: a real issue on Glenary Station and a lot of

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 26: high country stations around the country. The seed source of

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 26: these these are blowing like twenty kilometers the seeds over

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 26: two or three mountain or not mountain hill ranges and

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01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 26: are landing on these properties and are growing wilding pines

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Speaker 26: or conifers. Now, I would have thought if you could

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01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 26: get cattle on, you could better knock them over when

1512
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 26: they're i don't know, knee height or something like that,

1513
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 26: but apparently the only way to get him was when

1514
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 26: they're young and just seedlings. You know, I'm talking ten

1515
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 26: to twenty centimeters, and the cattle and sheep are hungry

1516
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 26: enough they'll nip them off. When the tree gets to

1517
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 26: knee height, it's too late, so they reckon. If they

1518
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 26: could let the marino weather's loose on some of this

1519
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 26: land that's not being grazed at the moment, or use

1520
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 26: the whole to collus because at Glenary they're using the

1521
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,639
Speaker 26: whole to collis for intensive beef operations. They could push

1522
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 26: the cattle basically into a condensed area and make them

1523
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 26: eat the wilding pines. Now, the owner of Glenary Station,

1524
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 26: David Pickney, he's made a very sensible comment. He said

1525
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 26: politicians needed to consider whether the Conservation Act sufficiently allows

1526
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 26: for grazing on conservation the States. We've got an issue

1527
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 26: in this country. We're underfuneling wilding pines and they are

1528
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 26: taking over heather.

1529
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 4: What a simple solution. Isn't it nutty that we don't

1530
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 4: try and do this. I'd like to see it happen

1531
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: all right now silverfer and Farms, I was very happy

1532
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:20,520
Speaker 4: to see this return to profitability.

1533
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 26: You yeah, yeah, and it's a big it's a good turnaround.

1534
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 26: I'm using the after tax numbers. I was talking to

1535
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 26: Dan Bolton, the chief executive. He wanted to use the

1536
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 26: pre tax numbers, but I figure you're the best. One

1537
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 26: is the after tax number, so net profit of twenty

1538
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 26: nine million. It's a fifty million dollar turnaround from the

1539
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 26: twenty one million dollar loss they made in twenty twenty four.

1540
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 26: Remembering this result is for the twenty five calendar year

1541
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,879
Speaker 26: their revenue. Listen to this one. Their revenue has lifted

1542
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 26: fifteen percent to just over three billion dollars. They are

1543
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 26: in New Zealand's biggest meat company. But when you look

1544
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 26: at that profit, Heather twenty nine million on a three

1545
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 26: billion dollar turnover. That's like a one percent profit on turnover.

1546
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 26: So it just goes to show you what a slim

1547
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 26: margin business the red meat industry is. So they operate

1548
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 26: silver Fern farms, fourteen processing plants, killing sheep, beef, and venison.

1549
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 26: Red meat prices were depressed in twenty three and twenty four,

1550
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 26: they came right last year. New Zealand's red meat exports

1551
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 26: nineteen percent higher in the calendar year twenty twenty five,

1552
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 26: up to nearly twelve billion. Look this tighter supply and

1553
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 26: higher procurement costs, and this pressure to run these plants

1554
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 26: on a thin margin. But despite these challenges, Dan Bolton,

1555
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 26: the chief executive of silver Fern Farms was very well,

1556
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 26: not very quietly confident might be a better description of

1557
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 26: the prospects for the red meat industry into the twenty

1558
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 26: six twenty seven season, which is the coming season. So

1559
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 26: despite all the woes in the world, at least we've

1560
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 26: got that to look forward to in a national party

1561
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 26: cabinet reshuffle.

1562
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Speaker 4: Oh Lord, and that too, Jamie, you're a political nerd.

1563
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Jemmy McKay post to the country.

1564
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 4: Here there is the rapid rise of the minimum wage,

1565
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 4: especially under the IDIRN regime, a significant contributor to the

1566
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 4: de industrialization that New Zealand is experienced, and especially considering

1567
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 4: productivity is going backwards. Lord, what a question. But yes,

1568
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 4: I'm glad somebody asked this question because we were talking

1569
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 4: about this last week and somebody text me through and

1570
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 4: they said, you'll forget because I was talking about the

1571
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 4: power prices being a part of the problem and the

1572
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 4: red tape and so, and they said, you've forgotten about

1573
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 4: the minimum wage third highest in the world. And I

1574
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 4: thought I better go check that afterwords, and we went

1575
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 4: home and typed it into the chechep toe and correct

1576
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 4: New Zealand has the third highest minimum wage. So if

1577
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 4: you want to know, part of the reason why we're

1578
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 4: going backwards is because we pay people too much. Now,

1579
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 4: I want to pay people as much. I want to

1580
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 4: pay people well. I do want to pay people well,

1581
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 4: but there is a balance to be struck where you

1582
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 4: push it to the point where there is no job.

1583
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 4: So what would you rather have a slightly less well

1584
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 4: paid job or no job? Because that's where we've got

1585
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 4: to now six twenty three.

1586
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the business hour

1587
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 1: where they had the duper clt and mass insurance and investments,

1588
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: your futures in good hands, news talks that'd be man.

1589
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 4: I have to tell you about this event that I've

1590
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 4: been invited to, which I'm not going to go to

1591
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 4: for obvious reasons when I tell you about it, but

1592
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 4: I'm suspicious anyway, Australia today ban did the thing that

1593
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 4: we just did and then undid, which is that they've

1594
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 4: banned the credit cards sur charges. Difference over there is

1595
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 4: that it's not their government doing it but their Reserve Bank,

1596
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 4: which I guess that's a bit more credibility to it.

1597
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 4: It also lowers the caps on the international on the

1598
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 4: interchange fees that the businesses have to pay, which I

1599
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 4: think is probably a smart thing to do. I feel

1600
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 4: like you could tell me if I'm wrong. I don't

1601
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: think we've lowered the caps here, but I think the

1602
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 4: ComCom may. Maybe the ComCom did, which is something anyway. Anyway,

1603
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 4: regardless regardless of the the credibility of the Reserve Bank

1604
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 4: or otherwise, they are going to run into exactly the

1605
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 4: same problems in Australia as we have in New z

1606
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 4: which is that small businesses going to be the ones

1607
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 4: forced to absorb it. RBA says consumers are going to

1608
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 4: save one point six billion in a year. Businesses are

1609
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 4: going to save two hundred million. So if businesses are

1610
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 4: only saving two hundred million but consumers are saving one

1611
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 4: point six billion, what happens to the other one point

1612
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 4: four billion? Oh you guess right. That's right. The businesses

1613
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 4: are going to have to absorb it. And where do

1614
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 4: you think they're going to put that? That's right. Inflation,

1615
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 4: Everything is going up in price six twenty six.

1616
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 1: There's no business like show business?

1617
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 9: Is this?

1618
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 4: Celen Dion has announced a ten night residency in Paris.

1619
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 4: Now you're going to know this is a big deal

1620
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 4: if you love Celen Dion or have been following her story,

1621
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 4: because four years ago she was diagnosed with a stiff

1622
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 4: person syndrome, which sounds like a joke but actually isn't.

1623
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 4: It's affected her singing voice, it's affected her ability to walk.

1624
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 4: It is completely incurable. She says she's feeling good though,

1625
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 4: and is back to singing and is even doing a

1626
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: bit of dancing. So she's going to be performing at

1627
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 4: the Lar Defense Arena across September and October this year.

1628
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:01,719
Speaker 4: Forty thousand seats a night for seat tonight, four hundred

1629
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 4: thousand tickets, no problem for a diva of her caliber.

1630
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 5: I'm so ready to do this.

1631
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 12: I'm feeling good, I'm strong, I'm feeling excited obviously, of

1632
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 12: course a little nervous, but most of all, I am

1633
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 12: grateful to all of you.

1634
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 4: Now you can register for the pre sale ticket access

1635
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:27,800
Speaker 4: and go quickly, quickly pump it up. He had to

1636
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 4: do that, because does that not drive you nuts about

1637
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 4: Marcus's show? I can't. I can't. Every single time. I

1638
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 4: hate it. So I'm just like, can you not give

1639
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 4: me the chorus? But I don't know, I asked the

1640
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 4: boss one day. And there's a reason why Marcus does that.

1641
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 4: It's not just being a prat, although is it. Oh

1642
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 4: thank god we got that out of our system. We

1643
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 4: actually got the chorus. Anyway, As I was saying, you

1644
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 4: can register for the pre sale ticket access before April

1645
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 4: the second. No official prices yet, but if you are

1646
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 4: planning a Paris vacation, you might want to book your

1647
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 4: tickets now because those international flight prices, Yeah, they're I'm

1648
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 4: going to stay low for long? Are they? They're even

1649
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 4: low right now because of Trump in the in the war.

1650
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: So there you go, Paul Bloxham on exactly what is

1651
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 4: going to happen to everything and all the prices as

1652
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 4: a result of what Trump's up tobers with us next.

1653
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: Ever's to do with money? It matters to you. The

1654
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,680
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Heather duper c Allen and Mas Insurance

1655
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: and Investments, Your futures in good hands us talks that'd be.

1656
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 4: Right if you were listening yesterday. I promised you that

1657
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 4: I would find out from Praise a winner right what

1658
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 4: he was doing with his key we save a two

1659
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 4: point openland and how he was going to tweak it

1660
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 4: for the tax incentives to match Australia. So I've got

1661
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 4: the answer for you. I'll give it to you before

1662
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 4: this half hours through. It's twenty four away from seven

1663
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: and with us right now we have Paul Blocks, some

1664
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:53,839
Speaker 4: HSBC's chief economist.

1665
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 14: Hello Paul, goodbye.

1666
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,160
Speaker 4: Right, So where are we at with what you think

1667
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 4: the impact of the Iran war will have have? What

1668
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 4: the impact will be on the Australian and the New

1669
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 4: Zealand economies.

1670
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 22: Well, I think it's going to quite clearly drive inflation

1671
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 22: to be higher and it's going to weaken growth at

1672
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 22: the same time. This is not a good story, of course,

1673
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 22: but it really isn't a good story. I mean, it's

1674
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 22: a constraint on the supply of things that we need

1675
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 22: to grow economy.

1676
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 14: Oil, gas, fertilizer.

1677
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 22: There's a whole collection of commodities that come out of

1678
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 22: the Middle East, and of course the price of them's

1679
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 22: gone up oil most pertinently, most clearly, and petrol prices

1680
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 22: are up sharply, diesel prices are up sharply.

1681
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 14: On the back of it.

1682
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 22: That will slow down growth in the economy because it's

1683
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 22: a key thing that we need, but at the same

1684
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 22: time it'll lift inflation. I think The tricky question is

1685
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 22: going to be for central banks, for the RBA and

1686
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 22: the RB and Z in terms of exactly how they

1687
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,839
Speaker 22: respond to all of this, because it's obviously pretty challenging

1688
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 22: when you've got inflation that goes up and growth that's

1689
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 22: likely to slow down.

1690
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 4: Okay, do you still think I mean, I see ASB

1691
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 4: put out a note yesterday saying we're still going to

1692
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 4: get I think it's about one point three eight percent

1693
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,639
Speaker 4: growth across the year. Can we still count on some

1694
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 4: growth no recession?

1695
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 14: Well, so, I think the challenge here is that there's

1696
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 14: a huge uncertainty.

1697
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 22: I mean, the big uncertainty is we don't know how

1698
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 22: long the events in the Middle East are going to continue,

1699
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 22: how long the straight of for Mars is going to

1700
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 22: remain closed, and how much that's going to continue to

1701
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 22: put upward pressure on oil prices. In particular, the longer

1702
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 22: it goes on, the more likely it is to drive

1703
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 22: oil prices higher. The more likely it is it creates

1704
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 22: even more weakness and growth, and we see growth slowly

1705
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 22: slow down even further. Our working assumption is that if

1706
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 22: it opens sometime soon in the next little while, the

1707
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 22: oil price comes down a bit and we don't end

1708
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 22: up with an outright contraction in New Zealand, and we

1709
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 22: end up with a short, sort of short lived contraction

1710
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 22: in Australia. Australia's in a little bit of a different

1711
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 22: spot right now because they've already got inflation that's too

1712
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 22: high and we've already had the RBA lifting interest rates twice.

1713
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 14: So that's our working assumption.

1714
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 22: But I think the longer this goes on, and we're

1715
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 22: talking about you know, if it goes on for weeks

1716
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 22: in two months, then the more likely it is to

1717
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:06,799
Speaker 22: push the economy into an outright, an outright contraction where

1718
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 22: you know that's going to be the challenges. Not an

1719
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 22: easy time for policymakers either, because what do they focus on?

1720
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 22: Do they focus on the inflation that's going up or

1721
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 22: do they focus on the growth that's slowing down? And

1722
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 22: I think for the RB and Z for the moment,

1723
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 22: I think they've got room to sit still. Next week,

1724
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 22: I think they're going to sit still and sort of

1725
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 22: watch and wait as the world and observe what's going

1726
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 22: on and work out where they land by the next

1727
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 22: By the following meeting for RBA, they haven't had that

1728
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 22: rigal room, so they had to lift rights last month anyway,

1729
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 22: earlier this month anyway.

1730
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,719
Speaker 4: How often are you revising what you guys think is happening.

1731
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 22: Well, we try not to revise too frequently because it

1732
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 22: does become difficult. But I think what we've done this

1733
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 22: time around, which I think is quite useful, is set

1734
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 22: out a base case as to where we think things

1735
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 22: are based on reasonable assumptions that we put together about

1736
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 22: last week basically.

1737
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 14: And then set out a scenario.

1738
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 22: And the scenario sets out what would happen if things

1739
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 22: turn out to be you know, oil prices stay higher

1740
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 22: or go higher and stay higher for longer. And in

1741
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 22: that scenario, obviously conditions are worse. The economy tips into

1742
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,719
Speaker 22: a larger contraction, and inflation stays higher for longer.

1743
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 14: And so I think the most.

1744
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:25,679
Speaker 22: The way we can think about that is it's useful

1745
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 22: because it gives us a sense of, well, this is

1746
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 22: what we think.

1747
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 14: Will happen, but there are other things.

1748
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,800
Speaker 22: But if the circumstances are different, we can think about

1749
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 22: it through that lens of a scenario.

1750
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 4: I mean, are you guys working It seems to me

1751
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 4: from this side of the ditch that New Zealand is

1752
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 4: in a better position than Australia, not only because we

1753
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 4: are slightly better in terms of our inflation, but also

1754
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 4: because our oil supply seems to be a little bit

1755
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 4: more assured than Australias.

1756
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:53,200
Speaker 5: Would you say that's the case, I think so.

1757
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 22: I think New Zealand is, and I think I was

1758
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 22: actually in New Zealand last week talking to clients and

1759
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 22: I was telling them this, and I think, you know,

1760
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 22: it's it's hard for Kiwis to think, oh, really, we're

1761
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 22: in a better spot than Australia, But I think the

1762
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 22: reality is because inflation is already down more and because

1763
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 22: you've had a number of years now of quite weak

1764
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,759
Speaker 22: growth in New Zealand, you're in a slightly better starting

1765
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 22: point for the nature for the nature of the shock

1766
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 22: that's just arriving. So it's another pickup in inflation. And

1767
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 22: so inflation being lower to start with means there's a

1768
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 22: bit more spare capacity in the economy, a little bit

1769
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 22: more room for the RB and Z to sit still

1770
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,759
Speaker 22: and sort of observe, whereas in Australia, I mean, inflation

1771
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 22: is already too high. It's three point seven percent already,

1772
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 22: and we're just about to get another.

1773
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 14: Step up in inflation.

1774
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 22: So I think this has meant the RBA has just

1775
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 22: not been as well placed to given the nature of

1776
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 22: the shop that's arrived.

1777
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, listen, good to talk to you. As always,

1778
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you again soon. Look after yourself. There's

1779
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 4: Paul block some hspecies chief economist, nineteen away from seven.

1780
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Heather Duping.

1781
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 4: The telegraphed this morning Bangladesh the first casualty as energy

1782
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 4: crisis spreads globally. Reading it on you, Bangladesh could become

1783
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 4: the first casualty of Donald Trump's war in Iran's paragraph one,

1784
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 4: paragraph two, paragraph three, paragraph four. As a result of

1785
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 4: Iran's blockade of the Strait of Hormuz, India's industrial output

1786
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 4: has slowed. At the same time, the Philippines, Australia and

1787
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 4: New Zealand are rationing dwindling fuel supplies.

1788
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 11: Are we are we?

1789
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 4: I don't think. I think somebody needs to call the telegraph.

1790
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 4: Someone needs to call who is it? Joe Barnes, the

1791
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 4: Brussels correspondent at the telegraph. Tell them I don't know

1792
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 4: what you're reading, mate, but there's no there's In fact,

1793
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 4: we're being repeated repeatedly told carry on as you were

1794
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 4: so anyway, here you go.

1795
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 27: I bet it's just the classic telegraph. Maybe at the

1796
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 27: Telegraph it is whenever they type Australia, it just types

1797
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 27: and New Zealand automatically, because they used to thinking of

1798
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 27: us as the same area that they're just like Australia.

1799
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 27: New Zealand must be done.

1800
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,200
Speaker 4: Maybe they thought when David Farrer wrote that thing about

1801
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 4: us becoming the seventh state, that that happened. Oh, fair enough, okay,

1802
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 4: I take it back now, fair enough from the fair

1803
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 4: enough from the telegraph, fair enough mistake to make. Now

1804
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 4: I need someone who's been to this event that I'm

1805
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 4: about to tell you about to tell me if this

1806
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 4: really is what ants assures me it's legit, and I

1807
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 4: think bs. So, I've been invited to what is called

1808
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 4: the Morning People Rave, which is a rave that is

1809
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 4: happening on good Friday morning between seven thirty and nine

1810
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,400
Speaker 4: thirty and eight hundred and fifty people are going to

1811
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 4: be that. They've sold seven hundred and fifty tickets and

1812
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 4: now they've got one hundred free tickets that they're giving

1813
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 4: away to people like myself. I'm not obviously, I'm not

1814
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,679
Speaker 4: going to go. I have children and it's good Friday morning.

1815
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 4: Like that's a that's a God holiday. What are you doing?

1816
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 4: You can't go partying on a God holiday? But anyway, answers,

1817
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 4: I said to answer, Oh, come off it, mate, Like

1818
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:44,799
Speaker 4: this is one hundred percent eight hundred and fifty people

1819
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 4: who went large on Thursday evening and they're still going

1820
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 4: at seven thirty and they haven't quite the drugs haven't

1821
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 4: worn off, and maybe they're a bit drunk still, and

1822
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 4: so they're like, I'm not ready to call it a night.

1823
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 4: Let's go to the morning people rave and Ant said

1824
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 4: to me, No, no, it's legit and sancer as well.

1825
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 27: Well, I'm I'm saying that all there might be like

1826
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 27: a couple of the people of the seven hundred and

1827
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 27: fifty who are like that.

1828
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 4: I don't think they're, But everybody else apparently wakes up

1829
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 4: on good Friday morning and goes do you know what?

1830
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 4: I feel like, I'm gonna go. I'm going to exercise,

1831
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 4: but I don't feel like a regular gym session at

1832
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 4: the les mills. Don't feel like pumping the tin or

1833
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 4: do in the RPM. I'm going to go down and

1834
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 4: dance for my exercise.

1835
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 27: Lots of people listen to electronic music when they do

1836
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,679
Speaker 27: their gym routines right like, because it's very up tempo.

1837
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 27: So if you're going to do that anyway, why not

1838
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 27: listen to Dick Magic Johnson mix it live in front

1839
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 27: of you. It seems like what I mean.

1840
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 4: Do you see what I mean? I bs I mean,

1841
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with Dick Johnson. That's an awesome

1842
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:44,880
Speaker 4: addition to.

1843
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:46,640
Speaker 27: You can still find tickets on Humanitics.

1844
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 5: They are free.

1845
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 27: I'll see you all there.

1846
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 4: This is not legit. A it's not legit sixteen away

1847
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 4: from seven.

1848
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's either dup

1849
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:03,280
Speaker 1: of c Ellen the Business Hour with maths, insurance and investments.

1850
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,440
Speaker 2: Your futures in good hands, used talks.

1851
01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 4: They'd be heither. Come on, it's a blast, dressed to sweat.

1852
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 4: DJ Dick Johnson. See you there, cheers Drew. No, I'm

1853
01:32:12,200 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 4: not going to be there, and it's going to be there.

1854
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 5: Look for him.

1855
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 4: Yes, hither see you that? What are you angus? I

1856
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 4: just said I'm not coming. I'm twenty nine. I'm going

1857
01:32:18,840 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 4: good for you. Twenty nine is not that old anyway.

1858
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 4: Here the Morning People is the best and no, it's

1859
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 4: not like that at all. It's legit morning dancing for

1860
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 4: the love of dancing. Actually, to be honest, I do

1861
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 4: have a friend who would do Actually maybe, OK, maybe

1862
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 4: I am believing it now. Based on three people and

1863
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 4: a friend that I have, it's easy to convince me. Ah.

1864
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 4: This is how I got convinced about breaking up the

1865
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 4: Gentailor's three people plus one friend taught me twelve away

1866
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,000
Speaker 4: from a seven Indo Brady, UK Correspondent, Hello, Enda.

1867
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 5: Hello, Hello, how are you today?

1868
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: Mate?

1869
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 4: I'm well, but I'll tell you what. I feel sorry

1870
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 4: for you, Janey and Beatrice because this is harsh to

1871
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 4: kick them out of the Easter service.

1872
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 1: Isn't it.

1873
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 5: I don't feel I don't feel in any way harsh

1874
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 5: on the mob. Look, I will probably burn in hell

1875
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 5: for one of my about to say as we approach Easter.

1876
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 5: I don't think there should be any forgiveness. I think,

1877
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 5: in all honesty, Andrew, Sarah Ferguson and the two daughters

1878
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 5: just need to go away now. I think this has

1879
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 5: got so toxic, and I think what you're seeing is

1880
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 5: Charles and William basically cleaning out the house. For want

1881
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 5: of a better phrase, They're not going to be seen

1882
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 5: any royal function ever again going forward, any of them.

1883
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,639
Speaker 4: Okay, but you're thinking of it like a business, right

1884
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 4: and fair enough, because that is predominantly right.

1885
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 5: It is a business either, it is a business, come on,

1886
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 5: I know, but it's.

1887
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 4: Also a family. And now they cousins, and now these

1888
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 4: girls haven't done anything wrong other than your suggestion that

1889
01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 4: according to Lowie's book than I have.

1890
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 5: Look, I think a lot more is going to come out.

1891
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 5: That is all I will say on that front. I

1892
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 5: just think, in all honesty, it's so toxic. It's so

1893
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 5: toxic for Charles, for William, for the future of the

1894
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 5: business going forward. Look, it's just not going to work.

1895
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 5: They're not going to be seen at that family again

1896
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 5: anywhere at any level. The decision has been made and

1897
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 5: they've been told to stay away, and if they've got

1898
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 5: any brains they will. But as we consistently see with

1899
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 5: their mother, you know, brain cells in that wing of

1900
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 5: the family aren't in great supply.

1901
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 4: Yoursel hush, listen to tell me what's gone on with

1902
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 4: this top Breakfast DJ at the BBC, Because all it

1903
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 4: sees is he's been secked because of a past relationship.

1904
01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 5: But what does that mean, well, I can give you

1905
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 5: some more information hot off the press. As it turns out,

1906
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 5: he was arrested in twenty eighteen over allegations of sexual

1907
01:34:34,240 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 5: offenses against a teenage boy, which he denied, and the

1908
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:42,360
Speaker 5: police investigation went nowhere because basically it was closed for

1909
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 5: a lack of evidence in May twenty nineteen. Now the

1910
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 5: BBC never knew this. He's a huge name, an extremely

1911
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 5: talented guy, Scott Mills. He has taken that breakfast show.

1912
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 5: He has put on two point five million listeners in

1913
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 5: a very short space of time. I think he only

1914
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,799
Speaker 5: took it over January of last year. This is sizem.

1915
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 5: The BBC management will not have wanted to have lost

1916
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,679
Speaker 5: Scott Mills. But he's out of a job. He's gone.

1917
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 5: It all happened at breakneck speed yesterday. I could not

1918
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 5: believe how quick he was gone because the BBC, in

1919
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 5: terms of decision making, turning the BBC around or getting

1920
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 5: them to do anything quickly is like moving an oil tanker,

1921
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,200
Speaker 5: and yesterday it moved like a Formula one car. Very

1922
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 5: very strange. But Scott Mills is gone.

1923
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 4: Okay, Now, why did the rugby coach push the presenter

1924
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 4: on Telly.

1925
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 5: So this is an amazing story. I watched this live.

1926
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 5: So Craig Doyle is an Irish TV presenter working for

1927
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 5: TNT Sports. They play about eighty million dollars a year

1928
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 5: in England for the Premiership Rugby. Leicester Tigers were playing

1929
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:46,520
Speaker 5: Gloucester and pitch side access part of the presentation. Basically,

1930
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 5: the Lester Tiger players were warming up under the goalposts

1931
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:53,879
Speaker 5: and the presenter Craig Doyle said to a young reporter

1932
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 5: joining the team there was a ball there and he said,

1933
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 5: write your initiation into the program. Reckon, you can kick

1934
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 5: that over from him. He had a goal and the

1935
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 5: ball stopped short and landed near the Lester Tiger players.

1936
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Speaker 5: Jeff Perling then steamed over to the sideline. The coach

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Speaker 5: of Leicester Tigers pushed Craig Doyle in the chest and

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Speaker 5: said that's not effing on live on TV now. He

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Speaker 5: subsequently apologized and he's making out that it was a

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Speaker 5: player safety. He was worried about He's a six foot

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Speaker 5: five units weighing twenty two stone playing professional rugby and

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Speaker 5: he was worried about them being hit by the ball. Look,

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Speaker 5: he just comes out of it looking terrible and I

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Speaker 5: know He's apologized, but just not a good look.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you, Inda, Thank you very much, Matte

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Speaker 4: look after yourself. We'll talk to you in two days.

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Speaker 4: Into Brady, UK Correspondent. So okay, after the break, I'll

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Speaker 4: run you through I'll Fraser emailed me, I'll run you

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Speaker 4: through it Ei away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hither dupla See Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zibby.

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Speaker 4: Hither why have you got a mccon slagging off the

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Speaker 4: Royal Family? Are you allowed to answer? You are allowed

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Speaker 4: to say Mick on air?

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Speaker 27: Well, let's not say it again just in case.

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Speaker 4: Are you allowed to say that word that happened before

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Speaker 4: on air?

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Speaker 27: I would say standard forward discrimination and denigration of the

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Speaker 27: BSA might have some words about that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, answer always says hither. If you have to ask,

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Speaker 4: then you know the answer. I tell you what. It's fine.

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Speaker 4: I think the Irish have every bloody reason to slag

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Speaker 4: off the Royal family actually, given the history and the

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Speaker 4: Royal family is a complete joke naturally.

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Speaker 27: And what we can say is Indebrady is very proud

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Speaker 27: of both his Irish shantage and the fact that he

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Speaker 27: does not give a toss about the Royal Family, largely

1968
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Speaker 27: because of that stage.

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Speaker 4: I love the Royal Family. I love the Royal Family

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Speaker 4: and all power him. I love the Royal Family for

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Speaker 4: all the gossip they give us. But come off it

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Speaker 4: if you think that that's a good thing. What a

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Speaker 4: waste of everybody's time, bunch of weird people. Anyway, don't

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Speaker 4: pump the music up, pump it right back down. Please.

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Speaker 4: We have to talk about Phraser winner At yesterday, Fraser

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Speaker 4: WINNERA gave us as key we save a two point

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Speaker 4: oh idea and the question was what's he going to

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Speaker 4: do about tax? So I asked him. He says he

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Speaker 4: deliberately has avoided anything about tax because it's a third

1980
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Speaker 4: rail and if we touch the tax settings then it

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Speaker 4: will never get done. So he's like, just do the thing,

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Speaker 4: talk about tax later. Australia has exempt tax on contributions

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Speaker 4: up to a limit, exempt tax during the investing phase

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Speaker 4: and then it's tax when it's withdrawal. New Zealand has

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Speaker 4: a different We're taxed on the way in tax during

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Speaker 4: I either pie fund and the and then we're exempt

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Speaker 4: on the way out, So we do have tax exemptions.

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Speaker 4: It's just Australia's tax exemptions are better, and he thinks

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Speaker 4: we do need to get there eventually, but don't worry

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Speaker 4: about it for now, and explain the Ibetha loophole. Basically,

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Speaker 4: if you have key we saver and leave the country

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Speaker 4: and move away permanently for a year, you can draw

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Speaker 4: your key we saver out, he says. The problem is

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of kids might go to Ibetha or

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Speaker 4: on their oe to England or wherever they want to

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Speaker 4: go and after a year draw out their key we Save,

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Speaker 4: which is not a good idea. If you start the

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Speaker 4: key we Saver at newborn like he wants to, so

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Speaker 4: he reckons it's got to be at least five years.

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Speaker 4: Man's genius Jonius might be overdoing it, but he's very

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Speaker 4: clever in the ants.

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Speaker 27: The times they are a changing by Bob Dylan to

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Speaker 27: play us out tonight. Now Bob Dylan has started a Patreon.

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Speaker 27: This is one of those websites where you just pay

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Speaker 27: like a monthly subscription to get access to all the

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Speaker 27: stuff that the person puts up. I don't know whether

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Speaker 27: it's worth the nine dollars a month though this one

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Speaker 27: so far up there there's an audio essay about former

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Speaker 27: US Vice President Aaron Burr, and then another one about

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Speaker 27: a couple of other historical figures. He doesn't narrate them,

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Speaker 27: they're narrated by AI. And then there's a short story

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Speaker 27: called bull Rider written by somebody else. And then there's

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Speaker 27: a fictional letter from Mark Twain that's written by somebody

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Speaker 27: else as well. So if that all sounds really exciting

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Speaker 27: to you, nine dollars owned again, well or someone set

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Speaker 27: it up for him. I don't know, he's like eighty four.

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Speaker 27: But yeah, if you're really interested in all of that,

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Speaker 27: you can find it on apparently Bob Dylan's Patreon.

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Speaker 4: Oh that sounds weird? Is that like one of it

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Speaker 4: likes its like has like audio pinterest board or something

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Speaker 4: like that.

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Speaker 27: Who It just seems like such an weird, eclectic mix

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Speaker 27: of things, like who's the audience for that anyway?

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Speaker 4: Okay, maybe fans weird? Okay, well you could go pay

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Speaker 4: for that if you maybe I'll tell you what. Why

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Speaker 4: don't you know? I was gonna say, pay for one

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Speaker 4: month check it out, but now done, west you money.

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Speaker 27: The times they are changing day hither they just see

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Speaker 27: you tomorrow.

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Speaker 17: Very reading and the first one now will later be last,

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Speaker 17: for the times they are rich changing.

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