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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand and The Home Straight Lan Kiewi's one gold.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sports Road to Paris twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four and Paris is coming into sight only a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks before the Olympic Games get under way in Paris,

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Speaker 3: and in the last few weeks we've been I guess

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Speaker 3: walking the road to Paris, but really looking back at

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Speaker 3: some of the best ever Olympic results by New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Our best ever Olympic triathlon result came in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and four in Athens.

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Speaker 4: He's kicking clear of Bevan Dougherty in Away he goes

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Speaker 4: Hamish Carter back, he comes onto the blue carpet. They

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Speaker 4: won't catch Hamish Carter now, and I don't think they'll

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Speaker 4: catch Bevan Dougherty down. He comes Hamish Carter about to

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Speaker 4: win the gold medal and the men's Triathlan across the

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Speaker 4: finish line try for New Zealands and finished gold medal

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Speaker 4: for hamous Katers. It hasn't finished yet. Silver medal for

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Speaker 4: New Zealand one and two in the men's tryah.

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Speaker 3: In one of our most iconic sporting moments. Two Kiwis

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Speaker 3: battled out for gold and silver in the men's triathlon,

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Speaker 3: Hamish Carter crossing in one hour fifty one minute, seven

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Speaker 3: point seven to three seconds, Bevan Dockerty just eight seconds behind.

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Speaker 3: It was New Zealand's first and so far only gold

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Speaker 3: medal in Olympic triathlon. Hamish Carter went on to place

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Speaker 3: sixth at the two thousand and six Melbourne Commonwealth Games,

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Speaker 3: having won Commonwealth Games bronze in Manchester. In two thousand

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Speaker 3: and two, he was second at the six World Championships

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Speaker 3: behind Britain Tim Donn, who was suspended shortly after that

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Speaker 3: for missing three out of competition drug tests. In October

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Speaker 3: of two thousand and six, Hamis Carter won the ex

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Speaker 3: Terror World Championship in malwiy Hawaii, beating a field of

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Speaker 3: more experienced off road triathletes. In March of two thousand

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Speaker 3: and seven, he announced his retirement. He won the Sportsman

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Speaker 3: of the Year award in two thousand and four and

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Speaker 3: was named an Officer of the New Zealand Order of

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Speaker 3: Merit in the two thousand and five New Year's Honors.

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Speaker 3: Hamers Carter is with us on Weekend Sport hard to

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Speaker 3: believe it's been twenty years Hamish.

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Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, funny, Ay, it feels like in a lifetime

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Speaker 5: ago that is popping up and it's a great memory.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I definitely they've danced in those times. But

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Speaker 5: it was a pretty awesome period of my life.

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to go straight to that race for

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Speaker 3: Golden Athens. You were thirty third after the swim. You

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Speaker 3: moved up into a leading group of six after the bike.

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Speaker 3: Can you pick it up for us At the start

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Speaker 3: of the run.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a pretty hot day and I was

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Speaker 5: definitely feeling good, paired really well, and when we come

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Speaker 5: off the bike, we we we set off pretty fast

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Speaker 5: and quickly. There was about three of us that formed

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Speaker 5: at that point it felt like we started to get

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Speaker 5: control of the race, but there was also that nagging

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Speaker 5: sense that you know, had had been there, had the

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Speaker 5: rest of the world behind me, but I had another

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Speaker 5: new yonder beside me. So it was and look Bev

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Speaker 5: and I, you know, Van came a long later in

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Speaker 5: plush me, you know further, because I didn't want him

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Speaker 5: really really powerful component I think of both of our

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Speaker 5: success and and then Vivan had won the World Chance

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Speaker 5: that year in two thousand for so I was I

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Speaker 5: was pretty desperate to make sure it didn't be me,

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Speaker 5: and in the process we'd done the damage on the

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Speaker 5: We stayed together for quite a long run until about

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Speaker 5: A few attacks went down and I managed to roll

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Speaker 2: What gave you that edge?

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Speaker 3: What gave you that ability to to with eight hundred

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Speaker 2: Where did you find the ability to kick from there?

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Speaker 5: I think the main the main part of that was

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Speaker 5: my preparation had been really good, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: I practice not that scenario, but yeah, I'd really looked

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Speaker 5: I'd been well acclimatized to the heat. But I think

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Speaker 5: being more mature, I'd separated my performance from the emotion

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Speaker 5: that can take over. So it's quite a clinical delivery,

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Speaker 5: and I kind of think it's you know, it took

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Speaker 5: It wasn't that incredible. It was just what I trained

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Speaker 3: I've watched the closing stages of the race and the

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Speaker 3: lead up to chatting to you, and you look so

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Speaker 3: much in control once you get the break on bevn Dockety?

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Speaker 3: Is that the way it felt once you'd open up

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Speaker 3: that that five or six second gap on him, Did

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Speaker 3: you know you had it won?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? No, because it's funnily enough, it wasn't actually about

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Speaker 5: I didn't feel like I had delivered what I was

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Speaker 5: And it's yeah, considering how tired I feel and how

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Speaker 5: the race. Yeah, Bevan's a phenomenal competitor too. He might

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Sydney. There home I.

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Speaker 3: She'd been to the Sydney Olympics in two thousand. You

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Speaker 5: A lot. I think I wasn't I didn't really understand

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Speaker 5: But as an athlete, I needed that event or disappointment

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Speaker 5: I would never have achieved in Athens if Sidney hadn't

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Speaker 5: just I somehow turned it to my advantage and so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that shows an enormous amount of

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Speaker 3: certainly did that. But was there a point after Sydney

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Speaker 5: And I definitely a year I didn't want to go

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Speaker 5: you've got to have really good people around you. I

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Speaker 5: to me and say, the only reason you didn't win

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Speaker 5: And so you know the role that Chris played, and

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Speaker 3: Got to go through it absolutely well. Obviously did the

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Speaker 3: If you were a Rower at school, how and why

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Speaker 2: And you got very good, very quickly.

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Speaker 3: It was it just something that you took to or

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Speaker 5: I think I was just like you to get some

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Speaker 5: it's a ridiculous sport. It's too intense to be fair.

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Speaker 5: But it's a fast track too. Yeah that, and so

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Speaker 5: I just learned a lot from sending my time there.

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Speaker 5: I was always a I had access to the said,

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Speaker 5: The problem is try some is the three disciplines tag

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Speaker 3: Congratulations, I'm bringing us so much joy twenty years ago

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