1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talks'd be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,213 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcast now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,733 --> 00:00:19,373 Speaker 2: With the strandings that Fearwell Split whales at the forefront 4 00:00:19,413 --> 00:00:21,413 Speaker 2: of our minds again. So it's my very great pleasure 5 00:00:21,493 --> 00:00:23,933 Speaker 2: to welcome to the show professor Karen Stock and a 6 00:00:23,973 --> 00:00:28,653 Speaker 2: marine biologist at Messi University, to discuss these whales strandings. 7 00:00:29,093 --> 00:00:31,173 Speaker 3: Karen, very good afternoons you, thank you for your time. 8 00:00:32,133 --> 00:00:33,893 Speaker 4: Jero, nice to have you. Thank you. 9 00:00:34,173 --> 00:00:37,733 Speaker 3: Now just on the Farewell Split situation with these pilot whales, 10 00:00:37,813 --> 00:00:39,533 Speaker 3: and I know there were some of the whales that 11 00:00:39,573 --> 00:00:42,092 Speaker 3: we stranded and some have been refloated again, I mean, 12 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:45,172 Speaker 3: just when we see the effort of these volunteers and 13 00:00:45,213 --> 00:00:48,492 Speaker 3: the likes of Project Jonah, it's a monumental effort, isn't it? 14 00:00:48,533 --> 00:00:51,253 Speaker 3: And I imagine quite heartbreaking as well. 15 00:00:51,373 --> 00:00:54,053 Speaker 4: Oh, it is, without a doubt. I mean, the amount 16 00:00:54,093 --> 00:00:58,813 Speaker 4: of coordination and resourcing in effort that obviously is investing 17 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:03,093 Speaker 4: in obviously refloating these animals is huge, and of course 18 00:01:03,373 --> 00:01:05,813 Speaker 4: you've mentioned rightly so of course a lot of that 19 00:01:05,893 --> 00:01:10,093 Speaker 4: also is the emotional effort involved in investment, and these 20 00:01:10,093 --> 00:01:12,853 Speaker 4: animals are obviously wild animals, but of course people do 21 00:01:12,932 --> 00:01:16,453 Speaker 4: form attachments and can empathize with animals and distress, and 22 00:01:16,493 --> 00:01:19,813 Speaker 4: so accordingly it's not surprising the heavy toll it takes 23 00:01:19,853 --> 00:01:21,493 Speaker 4: some people rescuers are involved. 24 00:01:22,413 --> 00:01:24,413 Speaker 2: Now we've got a bunch of questions to come through 25 00:01:24,493 --> 00:01:26,293 Speaker 2: on our tech machine ninety two nine two. You can 26 00:01:26,292 --> 00:01:28,373 Speaker 2: also ring on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty if 27 00:01:28,373 --> 00:01:31,172 Speaker 2: you've got a question for the professor. Here's a question 28 00:01:31,212 --> 00:01:35,093 Speaker 2: from Sasha. Why once refloated, how come the whales often 29 00:01:35,173 --> 00:01:36,613 Speaker 2: restrand themselves. 30 00:01:36,212 --> 00:01:39,452 Speaker 4: Again, Yeah, that's a great question, and like all good 31 00:01:39,533 --> 00:01:43,693 Speaker 4: questions as using multiple answers. In some cases we might 32 00:01:43,733 --> 00:01:46,573 Speaker 4: have animals that are still disorientated. So if there has 33 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:49,853 Speaker 4: been an issue of disorientation that's caused the stranding in 34 00:01:49,893 --> 00:01:52,613 Speaker 4: the first instance, it's not to say that the animals 35 00:01:52,653 --> 00:01:56,053 Speaker 4: have been able to basically equilibrize and get their bearing. 36 00:01:56,173 --> 00:01:58,933 Speaker 4: So sometimes you can see animals that will literally turn 37 00:01:59,013 --> 00:02:01,653 Speaker 4: circle and come full in and you will have problems 38 00:02:01,693 --> 00:02:03,573 Speaker 4: in trying to get them back out the deeper water. 39 00:02:04,253 --> 00:02:06,972 Speaker 4: Other times it might well be because again there's social 40 00:02:07,013 --> 00:02:08,972 Speaker 4: animals and this is a big part of their ecology, 41 00:02:09,053 --> 00:02:13,333 Speaker 4: especially mass strandings, they are social, they fall bonds. Sometimes 42 00:02:13,413 --> 00:02:16,773 Speaker 4: mothers can be separated from cars. The consequence of that, 43 00:02:16,813 --> 00:02:19,333 Speaker 4: we do know that it's very difficult to be able 44 00:02:19,373 --> 00:02:23,572 Speaker 4: to get animals adult females, particularly out into deeper waters 45 00:02:23,573 --> 00:02:25,533 Speaker 4: if they still have dependence to left on the beach, 46 00:02:25,813 --> 00:02:28,173 Speaker 4: or dependence that they have died in the initial stranding. 47 00:02:28,252 --> 00:02:31,333 Speaker 4: So we do the range of different things that can 48 00:02:31,413 --> 00:02:35,732 Speaker 4: cause this. Sometimes basically there might be actual predators even 49 00:02:35,773 --> 00:02:38,012 Speaker 4: in the area, which means that the acoustics of a 50 00:02:38,613 --> 00:02:41,813 Speaker 4: nearby orcapod can ensure that the animals won't go further 51 00:02:41,853 --> 00:02:43,692 Speaker 4: out and that they will remain closer in as well. 52 00:02:43,773 --> 00:02:46,453 Speaker 4: So again, like all good questions, lots of different answers 53 00:02:46,453 --> 00:02:48,533 Speaker 4: in every situation seems to be different. 54 00:02:48,933 --> 00:02:53,213 Speaker 2: That's incredibly interesting. So when they have family members that 55 00:02:53,293 --> 00:02:56,173 Speaker 2: are stranded, when they strand themselves be with them, do 56 00:02:56,252 --> 00:02:58,973 Speaker 2: they think they can help or is it more just 57 00:02:59,013 --> 00:03:01,413 Speaker 2: some kind of emotional need to be near the other 58 00:03:01,733 --> 00:03:02,653 Speaker 2: members of their family. 59 00:03:03,653 --> 00:03:06,573 Speaker 4: I mean, that's another great question, And the reality is, 60 00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:09,252 Speaker 4: of course, is that we don't know. We're obviously can 61 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:14,133 Speaker 4: we can basically project our experiences in terms of being parents, 62 00:03:14,173 --> 00:03:17,373 Speaker 4: for example, on being separated from our often but of 63 00:03:17,413 --> 00:03:22,893 Speaker 4: course our understanding of marine mammal cognition and also their connections. 64 00:03:22,933 --> 00:03:24,933 Speaker 4: We know that they have very strong bonds. That much 65 00:03:24,972 --> 00:03:27,893 Speaker 4: we're very clear on, but exactly you know to what 66 00:03:28,093 --> 00:03:31,013 Speaker 4: level of cognition they have around whether or not they 67 00:03:31,053 --> 00:03:34,012 Speaker 4: feel staying close can actually be in assistance and aid 68 00:03:34,093 --> 00:03:36,853 Speaker 4: or whether it's purely, as you say, in an emotional connection. 69 00:03:36,933 --> 00:03:38,613 Speaker 4: This and we just don't know the answer to at 70 00:03:38,613 --> 00:03:39,013 Speaker 4: this point. 71 00:03:39,733 --> 00:03:43,893 Speaker 3: Interesting tikes tire or question from Sam. He says, Hi, 72 00:03:44,013 --> 00:03:47,013 Speaker 3: please can you ask your expert why don't they invent 73 00:03:47,053 --> 00:03:49,333 Speaker 3: a pump type hose that runs from the sea to 74 00:03:49,373 --> 00:03:51,933 Speaker 3: help the whales rather than lots of individual buckets like 75 00:03:51,973 --> 00:03:54,493 Speaker 3: a portable hose with a pump to help the volunteers, 76 00:03:54,493 --> 00:03:54,933 Speaker 3: et cetera. 77 00:03:56,653 --> 00:04:00,813 Speaker 4: Yeah, some great keeming engineity ideas come up here, and 78 00:04:01,173 --> 00:04:03,253 Speaker 4: they're often in the shortage of those I mean, as 79 00:04:03,293 --> 00:04:07,493 Speaker 4: you can imagine, there's lots of different areas, regions where 80 00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:10,093 Speaker 4: these matters standings happen. Now, don't get me wrong, Golden 81 00:04:10,133 --> 00:04:12,613 Speaker 4: Bay as a hotspot, we know that. But for those 82 00:04:12,653 --> 00:04:16,173 Speaker 4: that know Golden Bay, they'll also know how unforgiving that 83 00:04:16,213 --> 00:04:18,573 Speaker 4: title process is in terms of how far it can 84 00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 4: how quickly the typing can really go out, so you 85 00:04:21,573 --> 00:04:24,293 Speaker 4: know the extent of how far that pump would need 86 00:04:24,333 --> 00:04:26,693 Speaker 4: to run, or the logistics. I mean, one of the 87 00:04:26,733 --> 00:04:28,533 Speaker 4: things we struggle of at the moment is even getting 88 00:04:28,573 --> 00:04:32,373 Speaker 4: fresh water and fresh food to actual volunteers on that 89 00:04:32,453 --> 00:04:34,613 Speaker 4: site because it is so remote in the first place, 90 00:04:35,333 --> 00:04:37,693 Speaker 4: So depending on how far down the spit the animals 91 00:04:37,693 --> 00:04:40,853 Speaker 4: actually strand in the first instance, the logistics of that 92 00:04:40,893 --> 00:04:44,213 Speaker 4: are huge. So I think I think the engineering idea 93 00:04:44,253 --> 00:04:46,613 Speaker 4: there is great, but a course, like most things, the 94 00:04:46,653 --> 00:04:49,693 Speaker 4: actual logistics of the environment that you're working in can 95 00:04:49,773 --> 00:04:52,813 Speaker 4: be complicated. But I should say there have been occasions, 96 00:04:52,813 --> 00:04:56,213 Speaker 4: and certainly in areas where there is accessibility to beaches, 97 00:04:56,253 --> 00:04:58,493 Speaker 4: and certainly where there's been single stranded I know, for 98 00:04:58,533 --> 00:05:02,453 Speaker 4: an example, there was a single stranded orca some decades 99 00:05:02,453 --> 00:05:06,413 Speaker 4: ago now up in off Fonger Prio. If I'm not mistaken, 100 00:05:06,693 --> 00:05:09,373 Speaker 4: we're actually those kind of pu And actually even a 101 00:05:10,013 --> 00:05:12,613 Speaker 4: fire truck was used to keep the animal cool. So 102 00:05:12,653 --> 00:05:14,493 Speaker 4: I mean, again, there are ways of doing it, but 103 00:05:14,573 --> 00:05:17,253 Speaker 4: it all, as most things, tends to be very much 104 00:05:17,293 --> 00:05:20,613 Speaker 4: circumstance based, depending on how remote your location is. 105 00:05:20,973 --> 00:05:23,253 Speaker 2: We're talking to Professor Karen Stock and a marine biologist 106 00:05:23,293 --> 00:05:26,613 Speaker 2: at Messy University about whales strandings. This is a question 107 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:28,733 Speaker 2: that's come through in nine two nine two from n 108 00:05:29,333 --> 00:05:31,493 Speaker 2: are whales breaching more often than they used to? 109 00:05:33,493 --> 00:05:36,653 Speaker 4: Yeah? So I find this question comes up a lot, 110 00:05:36,693 --> 00:05:39,413 Speaker 4: and I think again what we need to be clear 111 00:05:39,453 --> 00:05:43,213 Speaker 4: on is the different types of strandings. So mass strandings, 112 00:05:43,253 --> 00:05:45,733 Speaker 4: which is the type we've got going on at the moment, 113 00:05:45,733 --> 00:05:47,573 Speaker 4: and that has been going on for obviously the three 114 00:05:47,653 --> 00:05:50,653 Speaker 4: days over for the pilot wells and fail wells. That 115 00:05:50,653 --> 00:05:52,973 Speaker 4: that's known as a mass stranding, and a mass stranding 116 00:05:52,973 --> 00:05:55,253 Speaker 4: basically is something that has been happening since the eighteen 117 00:05:55,333 --> 00:05:58,093 Speaker 4: hundreds in that area. So doc has records right the 118 00:05:58,133 --> 00:06:00,533 Speaker 4: way back, you know, hundreds of years where we look 119 00:06:00,573 --> 00:06:03,373 Speaker 4: at the consistency and have analyzed the consistency of those 120 00:06:03,373 --> 00:06:06,613 Speaker 4: stranding events over those decades. And no, there isn't any 121 00:06:06,693 --> 00:06:09,213 Speaker 4: evidence to suggest that we see all of those kind 122 00:06:09,213 --> 00:06:14,133 Speaker 4: of mass stranding events now than maybe two three decades ago. However, 123 00:06:14,333 --> 00:06:16,573 Speaker 4: as I mentioned, there's lots of different types of strandings. 124 00:06:16,613 --> 00:06:19,173 Speaker 4: So for example, there are groups of animals that sometimes 125 00:06:19,213 --> 00:06:22,653 Speaker 4: con strand which are not typical to that region or 126 00:06:23,053 --> 00:06:25,973 Speaker 4: that particular species for that manner, so they're often known 127 00:06:26,013 --> 00:06:29,413 Speaker 4: as unusual mortality events. Now, we do see more of 128 00:06:29,493 --> 00:06:31,893 Speaker 4: these now than maybe what we would have done ten 129 00:06:31,973 --> 00:06:36,013 Speaker 4: twenty thirty years ago. Likewise, also when it comes from 130 00:06:36,053 --> 00:06:39,013 Speaker 4: monitoring strandings, yes, at the moment, if you look at 131 00:06:39,293 --> 00:06:42,493 Speaker 4: the recent records of single stranded animals, it would appear 132 00:06:42,573 --> 00:06:45,333 Speaker 4: that there are obviously more strandings possibly now than what 133 00:06:45,373 --> 00:06:48,573 Speaker 4: they may have been again over more recent decades. The 134 00:06:48,653 --> 00:06:51,013 Speaker 4: other flip side to that, though, is when you analyze 135 00:06:51,013 --> 00:06:53,933 Speaker 4: that data, you have to take into consideration how observer 136 00:06:54,493 --> 00:06:57,333 Speaker 4: coverage has changed over the years. So if you look 137 00:06:57,333 --> 00:06:59,733 Speaker 4: in the sixties and the seventies and the eighties, yes 138 00:06:59,813 --> 00:07:02,693 Speaker 4: you won't see as many of those single stranding events reported. 139 00:07:02,773 --> 00:07:05,813 Speaker 4: But of course were people living closer to beaches, or 140 00:07:05,893 --> 00:07:09,013 Speaker 4: being in proximity to those beaches, or walking all creationally 141 00:07:09,133 --> 00:07:11,333 Speaker 4: using those beaches in the same way that they do 142 00:07:11,413 --> 00:07:14,813 Speaker 4: today when often these animals are reported. So there's also 143 00:07:14,853 --> 00:07:17,893 Speaker 4: the observer bias. We do see some differences in trends, 144 00:07:18,133 --> 00:07:20,213 Speaker 4: but we also have to recognize that some of those 145 00:07:20,293 --> 00:07:23,413 Speaker 4: may not necessarily be a change in the frequency of stranding, 146 00:07:23,493 --> 00:07:26,373 Speaker 4: but more a change in the frequency of reporting of 147 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:28,733 Speaker 4: those strandings, which of course are two different things. 148 00:07:28,813 --> 00:07:32,133 Speaker 2: Really interesting, and we've in a fantastic conversation with Professor 149 00:07:32,173 --> 00:07:34,813 Speaker 2: Karen Stock and a Marine Bolish, a biologist at Messy 150 00:07:34,893 --> 00:07:38,533 Speaker 2: University on whales strandings. And Karen, we've got a question 151 00:07:38,613 --> 00:07:44,213 Speaker 2: here from David. David your question for the professor? 152 00:07:45,293 --> 00:07:49,173 Speaker 5: Oh, yes, hello, how are you hello? 153 00:07:49,333 --> 00:07:49,693 Speaker 1: David? 154 00:07:51,573 --> 00:07:56,573 Speaker 5: Have you come across the effect on wales with powerful sona? 155 00:07:58,733 --> 00:08:00,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's a great question. I think you'll find 156 00:08:00,973 --> 00:08:04,453 Speaker 4: that there's certainly been a sad bit. Are you asking 157 00:08:04,493 --> 00:08:07,973 Speaker 4: the question around how sona itself may impact the whales? 158 00:08:08,933 --> 00:08:09,133 Speaker 1: Yeah? 159 00:08:09,373 --> 00:08:11,813 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. You know where the signa is coming from, 160 00:08:11,853 --> 00:08:19,613 Speaker 5: don't you. The trailers are using it so when they 161 00:08:19,613 --> 00:08:22,893 Speaker 5: bring the net in and they get their catch, they 162 00:08:23,013 --> 00:08:26,453 Speaker 5: use the sona to direct them to the next pod 163 00:08:26,653 --> 00:08:31,133 Speaker 5: of fish because they don't want to run around trying 164 00:08:31,173 --> 00:08:34,252 Speaker 5: to where to go. They want the signa to tell 165 00:08:34,293 --> 00:08:37,453 Speaker 5: them where it is. Now, as I understand it, I 166 00:08:37,533 --> 00:08:41,653 Speaker 5: spoke to doc about it and they were horrified because 167 00:08:41,693 --> 00:08:44,893 Speaker 5: they didn't know what was going on there. So the 168 00:08:45,012 --> 00:08:49,693 Speaker 5: trailers are using that. Some of their sona, depending on 169 00:08:49,732 --> 00:08:51,973 Speaker 5: the frequency, can go one hundred kilometers. 170 00:08:53,012 --> 00:08:56,293 Speaker 3: Well, let's we'll just let the professor answer their David's 171 00:08:56,333 --> 00:08:59,053 Speaker 3: good question, the effect. 172 00:08:58,773 --> 00:09:01,853 Speaker 2: Of human human made sona on Wales. 173 00:09:03,012 --> 00:09:05,213 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's a really good question. I'd say, to 174 00:09:05,252 --> 00:09:07,372 Speaker 4: be fair in New Zealand that there has been limited 175 00:09:07,413 --> 00:09:11,132 Speaker 4: studies in relation to our understanding of sonar effects on 176 00:09:11,213 --> 00:09:15,173 Speaker 4: marine mammals. Sonar effects with regards to more broad you know, 177 00:09:15,252 --> 00:09:17,973 Speaker 4: the military style sona have been done on a number 178 00:09:17,973 --> 00:09:21,093 Speaker 4: of species internationally, and I think that for example it 179 00:09:21,252 --> 00:09:24,813 Speaker 4: Weales and the Canaries, and certainly in the US. Obviously 180 00:09:24,852 --> 00:09:28,253 Speaker 4: we understand as the somewhat limited use of such military 181 00:09:28,252 --> 00:09:32,133 Speaker 4: sonar in New Zealand waters, except for in specific testing zones. 182 00:09:32,933 --> 00:09:35,732 Speaker 4: But certainly when you talk about sonar and relation to fisheries, 183 00:09:35,773 --> 00:09:38,813 Speaker 4: I mean again that the key thing here is in 184 00:09:38,892 --> 00:09:42,613 Speaker 4: many cases you're likely to see many cases, more broadly, 185 00:09:42,693 --> 00:09:46,933 Speaker 4: behavioral interactions or behavioral changes as a post necessarily depending 186 00:09:46,933 --> 00:09:50,933 Speaker 4: on the frequency, I should say, rather than physiological impacts 187 00:09:50,933 --> 00:09:52,813 Speaker 4: that you might see from the point of view at 188 00:09:52,933 --> 00:09:56,333 Speaker 4: post mortem. So again not to say that you know, 189 00:09:56,492 --> 00:10:00,693 Speaker 4: if you're talking about major blasting, major sonar from the 190 00:10:00,693 --> 00:10:03,053 Speaker 4: point of view where you could get disruption to ear 191 00:10:03,093 --> 00:10:05,252 Speaker 4: canals or bruising as a melon or things like that. 192 00:10:05,333 --> 00:10:07,493 Speaker 4: Being yes, we would pick that up in post bordem 193 00:10:08,333 --> 00:10:10,292 Speaker 4: I can say that certainly in the ones that we do, 194 00:10:10,413 --> 00:10:13,093 Speaker 4: we don't pick that kind of disturbance up in terms 195 00:10:13,093 --> 00:10:15,612 Speaker 4: of in a physiological sense to the animals. But that's 196 00:10:15,653 --> 00:10:18,133 Speaker 4: not to say there isn't some level of behavioral disruption. 197 00:10:18,252 --> 00:10:20,453 Speaker 4: And I take on board your question then, because of 198 00:10:20,453 --> 00:10:23,213 Speaker 4: course there is probably lots that we don't necessarily understand 199 00:10:23,293 --> 00:10:25,773 Speaker 4: around how dolphins are interacting with fiteries boats. 200 00:10:26,492 --> 00:10:29,093 Speaker 2: Thank you for you call, David. Now, obviously Wales aren't 201 00:10:29,132 --> 00:10:30,853 Speaker 2: meant to be out of the water. It's horrible on 202 00:10:30,892 --> 00:10:34,412 Speaker 2: their organs, on their bones being on land with the 203 00:10:34,492 --> 00:10:37,173 Speaker 2: lack of floatation. When does it become cruel to keep 204 00:10:37,213 --> 00:10:39,773 Speaker 2: them alive on the beach and who makes the call 205 00:10:40,252 --> 00:10:43,733 Speaker 2: to euthanize them if they've been sitting there too long? 206 00:10:45,653 --> 00:10:48,973 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is always a very difficult question to answer, 207 00:10:49,252 --> 00:10:51,053 Speaker 4: and the reality of it is and as you've rightly 208 00:10:51,093 --> 00:10:54,453 Speaker 4: pointed out, obviously every easy island of myself included, when 209 00:10:54,492 --> 00:10:57,293 Speaker 4: we're involved in these mass stranding events, for any stranded 210 00:10:57,413 --> 00:11:00,693 Speaker 4: marine mammal event. To be honest, you are hopeful that 211 00:11:00,732 --> 00:11:04,453 Speaker 4: you can maximize the survival of as many animals as possible, 212 00:11:04,453 --> 00:11:06,813 Speaker 4: So you want to get as many animals back into 213 00:11:06,892 --> 00:11:11,093 Speaker 4: the water are fit and non injured, and have the 214 00:11:11,132 --> 00:11:14,732 Speaker 4: capability basically of surviving beyond release, because that's obviously what 215 00:11:14,773 --> 00:11:17,653 Speaker 4: we're all aiming for now. In some cases, obviously, you 216 00:11:17,732 --> 00:11:21,333 Speaker 4: can get animals that have become injured in a way 217 00:11:21,333 --> 00:11:24,533 Speaker 4: that's noncompatible to survival. So I don't just mean cuts 218 00:11:24,573 --> 00:11:26,453 Speaker 4: and grazes and maybe a bit of blood, because we 219 00:11:26,533 --> 00:11:30,213 Speaker 4: can all survive scrapes humans as well as marine mammals. 220 00:11:30,213 --> 00:11:33,852 Speaker 4: But what I'm referring to is major damage to pectoralphins 221 00:11:34,053 --> 00:11:38,732 Speaker 4: or broken jaws or things that basically would basically disabled 222 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:41,372 Speaker 4: the animal to be able to feed. So in those 223 00:11:41,492 --> 00:11:44,132 Speaker 4: kinds of scenarios where they can't they can't mobilize, and 224 00:11:44,173 --> 00:11:47,453 Speaker 4: they can't feed, then yes, you obviously have those questions now. 225 00:11:47,612 --> 00:11:49,773 Speaker 4: To be fair, obviously that's part of the assessment that 226 00:11:49,852 --> 00:11:52,573 Speaker 4: goes on on beaches. So you will find that during 227 00:11:52,773 --> 00:11:56,453 Speaker 4: the time the animals are being usually uprighted and stabilized 228 00:11:56,533 --> 00:12:00,413 Speaker 4: and kept cool. Both Department of Conservation, who are obviously 229 00:12:00,453 --> 00:12:03,693 Speaker 4: on the scene and very much looking at aspects of 230 00:12:03,693 --> 00:12:07,093 Speaker 4: how the situations are managed from a legislative point of view. 231 00:12:07,293 --> 00:12:11,253 Speaker 4: They are doing so obvious see in in coordination with EWI, 232 00:12:11,252 --> 00:12:14,732 Speaker 4: so the local Hapoo who are obviously working and likewise 233 00:12:14,813 --> 00:12:17,373 Speaker 4: usually scientists involved as well, so we can help and 234 00:12:17,492 --> 00:12:20,973 Speaker 4: identify where animals may not be viable basically for reflotation. 235 00:12:21,132 --> 00:12:24,732 Speaker 4: So the decision obviously comes from obviously the authorities in 236 00:12:24,732 --> 00:12:27,173 Speaker 4: that sense, but the reality is it's always supported by 237 00:12:27,213 --> 00:12:27,813 Speaker 4: the partners. 238 00:12:28,453 --> 00:12:31,292 Speaker 2: So just finally, what should someone do if they see 239 00:12:31,573 --> 00:12:34,093 Speaker 2: see a well that's been beached? What's the first thing that. 240 00:12:34,093 --> 00:12:37,653 Speaker 4: Should The first thing that you do is, first of all, 241 00:12:37,693 --> 00:12:40,772 Speaker 4: just report this. There is obviously O a hundred dog 242 00:12:40,852 --> 00:12:44,573 Speaker 4: hot is a hotline and likewise Project Journals O a 243 00:12:44,653 --> 00:12:48,012 Speaker 4: tendred number as well of recording the animal's to me. 244 00:12:48,053 --> 00:12:50,852 Speaker 4: Obviously you want to be sure. Obviously if you've see 245 00:12:50,892 --> 00:12:53,773 Speaker 4: the live animal, then Project Jenner and Department of Conservation 246 00:12:53,892 --> 00:12:57,213 Speaker 4: is the first protuct call. Usually in either of those events, 247 00:12:57,293 --> 00:12:59,213 Speaker 4: even if it turns out the animal there's not alive, 248 00:12:59,252 --> 00:13:01,772 Speaker 4: it will still come through a process of the relevant 249 00:13:01,813 --> 00:13:04,733 Speaker 4: people being contacted. Obviously, in the first instance, discussions with 250 00:13:04,813 --> 00:13:07,453 Speaker 4: EWI and likewise with scientists such as myself. 251 00:13:07,732 --> 00:13:10,053 Speaker 3: Professor, thank you very much for your time. We'll have 252 00:13:10,093 --> 00:13:11,132 Speaker 3: to get you back on again. 253 00:13:12,053 --> 00:13:13,252 Speaker 4: No worry, it's happy to help. 254 00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:16,492 Speaker 3: That is Professor Karen Stockton, a marine biologist and expert 255 00:13:16,573 --> 00:13:17,333 Speaker 3: them Wile Stranding. 256 00:13:17,973 --> 00:13:20,652 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk st B. 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