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Speaker 1: Jack Team and the leaders of a controversial Catholic group

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Speaker 1: have been forbidden from practicing in the christ Church Diocese.

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Speaker 1: The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer have been accused

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Speaker 1: of abuse and of carrying out unauthorized exorcisms. After a

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Speaker 1: Vatican investigation, all members of the group have been asked

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Speaker 1: to leave the christ Church Diocese by Bishop Michael Jeelan

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Speaker 1: or Geelan rather. Peter Linhum is a religious expert for

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Speaker 1: Massi University and is with us this evening. High Peter, Hello, yeah,

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Speaker 1: very well, thank you. So what actually happens to this

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Speaker 1: group now.

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Speaker 2: Well, we will have to wait and see. They've lost

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Speaker 2: their license to act as Catholic priests, so they can't

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Speaker 2: conduct the Mass, they can't conduct baptisms or any other

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Speaker 2: of the seven sacraments of the Catholic Church. That may

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Speaker 2: not stop them because this group was once a renegade

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Speaker 2: group pulled back into the Catholic Church by the previous pope.

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Speaker 2: I wonder whether they'll go out again into the cold.

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Speaker 1: Ah right, And one of the group's supporters says they're

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Speaker 1: going to take legal action against the Church over this.

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Speaker 1: Can they do that?

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Speaker 2: No, of course they can't. You can't take legal action

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Speaker 2: about them. The pope has complete authority over the priests.

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Speaker 2: The priests sign a piece of paper submitting to the

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Speaker 2: vows of obedience to the church. If they choose to disobey,

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Speaker 2: well they're not part of the church, as simple as that.

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Speaker 1: Really, Do we know what the Vatican's investigation actually found.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, we had hasn't been released to us,

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Speaker 2: but they did it. They took it very seriously. They

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Speaker 2: sent a retired bishop from Australia and he went in

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Speaker 2: and we understand that he talked widely to both the

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Speaker 2: people who were reporting abuse and to the people who

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Speaker 2: were involved in the services. I'm not sure whether the

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Speaker 2: actual priests talked to them, because they seem to be

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Speaker 2: inclined to do their own thing, and so it was

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Speaker 2: probably pretty thorough. And Michael Gelan's letter looks as though

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Speaker 2: he felt he had absolutely no choice and just gave

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Speaker 2: him complete authority on an order from the Vatican that

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Speaker 2: they had to be suspended. And it's interesting because it

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Speaker 2: was from midnight on Sunday night. Very precise. Yes, they've

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Speaker 2: got to stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is very precise. Indeed, So just theoretically, then,

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Speaker 1: is there anything to stop this group from say, getting

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Speaker 1: on the phone to the Bishop of Aberdeen, or breaking

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Speaker 1: away from Catholicism and taking their supporters and followers with them.

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Speaker 2: No, well, the Bishop of Aberdeen, that's interesting because I

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Speaker 2: would have thought that he would be very quickly informed

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Speaker 2: so that the original branch of this was formed in

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Speaker 2: the Orkney Islands and then strange place to extend themselves

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Speaker 2: to to the other end of the world, to christ Church.

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Speaker 2: But that's what they did. They could retreat there right,

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Speaker 2: the priests were once there. But I would have thought

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Speaker 2: that the Bishop of Aberdeen would probably say, well, presumably

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Speaker 2: much the same applies to you. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: have the risk unless he's a very conservative bishop of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think of the Catholic Church's handling

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Speaker 1: of this whole situation.

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Speaker 2: I think initially very poor. I think initially there were

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Speaker 2: a lot of complaints from over a period of five

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Speaker 2: years about things were going wrong under the previous bishop,

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Speaker 2: now Archbishop Paul Martin. Nothing seems to have been done.

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Speaker 2: They seem to have just made cursor examinations. They didn't

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Speaker 2: even reply to some of the complainants. Then the new

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Speaker 2: bishop arrived and pressure was brought to bearby TV three's

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Speaker 2: reporter Michael Morra, who did a great job, I think.

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Speaker 2: And then very very quickly Gilan was over in Spain

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Speaker 2: to attend the World Use Day, dropped in on the

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Speaker 2: Vatican said I've got a problem, and you know action

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Speaker 2: took place. Catholic Church never rushes things, but in Vatican

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Speaker 2: time this has been fairly prompt. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, So do you think these allegations need to go

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Speaker 1: to police.

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Speaker 2: I think some of the allegations have gone to the police.

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Speaker 2: They are serious. They are all the stuff of the

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Speaker 2: things that led to the churches being subject to the

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Speaker 2: Royal Commission on Faith Based Groups. You know, it went

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Speaker 2: beyond state care at the request of the church, interestingly,

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Speaker 2: but I mean for sure, when the report comes out,

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Speaker 2: probably next week, we are going to hear a significant

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Speaker 2: list of you know, massive issues that particularly the Catholic Church,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of other churches too have faced over

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Speaker 2: these issues. No, and I think some of those complainants

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Speaker 2: have every right to sue the congregation, which does own property,

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Speaker 2: and to demand compensation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be very interesting to watch that. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Peter Lyneham with us this evening for more

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