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Speaker 3: They'd been good afternoon. It is seven after four News talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd been coming up on the show. Greg Murphy on

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson. We're in the US for Trump's group chat

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Speaker 3: blowing up. Paul Goldsmith is with us. What can you

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Speaker 3: get a discount for now that they've changed the laws?

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Speaker 3: What can you get a discount for if you're convicted

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Speaker 3: the maths. Also this afternoon, athletics making a big call

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Speaker 3: Tamitha Paul has said some dumb stuff today about cops

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Speaker 3: of the Green Party's manifesto is rooted in idealism, a

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Speaker 3: that's really all you need to know about that story.

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Speaker 3: There's really no more to it. However, does this mean

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Speaker 3: It fuels gangs, it finances gangs. It's bread and butter

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Speaker 3: How else do you tackle a monopoly but with competition?

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Speaker 3: you try when everything you're currently trying doesn't appear to

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Speaker 3: be working? Bryan Bridge, nine minutes after before, I welcome

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Speaker 3: is talking about this new Netflix series Adolescence. Have you

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Speaker 3: seen it? The four part series is about a teenage

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Speaker 3: Why have you recommended people watch this?

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Speaker 3: ZBB seventeen News talksb. We just spoke to Joe Walsh,

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Speaker 3: who's the principal of Saint Kevin's College, and she said

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Speaker 3: this in reaction to Adolescence, which is a new Netflix

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of stuff to do with young people.

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Speaker 3: The reaction has been massive to what Joe said. Joe said, basically,

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Speaker 3: Finally somebody recognizing how men have been badly treated in

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Speaker 3: My son who does have a dad and a good dad.

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Speaker 3: He follows Andrew Tate online. He likes Andrew Tate because

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Speaker 3: at times he's highly amusing it indeed outrageous. He doesn't

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Speaker 3: The over correction went way too far, sadly, says Penny.

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Speaker 3: Good Liam Lawson. How's that you've got? Cameron George on tonight,

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Speaker 11: I take full responsibility. I built the I built the group.

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Speaker 3: Mentionin's a US correspondent with US Now Dan, good afternoon.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Ryan, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: You know, one day it didn't happen that, you know,

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Speaker 12: Right, And I'm quite surprised that he came and he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, you kind of Russia have a great to

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Hey, the AP hitting to court to try and

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Speaker 7: Well you wouldn't have noticed it, really, but he got

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Speaker 7: up and I think it probably would have took him

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Speaker 7: all of ten seconds to say he's sorry, and I

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Speaker 7: love the media always talks about the powerful Parliamentary Privileges Committee.

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Speaker 7: Well it is a slap on the wrist of the

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Speaker 7: wet bus ticket. Although Penny Henardo was the least offensive

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Speaker 7: in the house when they did the harka, he did

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Speaker 7: stand on the floor and join in with the Maldi party.

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Speaker 7: They've yet to get their sentence, but they may maybe

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Speaker 7: not ten seconds, maybe they're thirty seconds, who knows.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, it's all about the Greens today.

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Speaker 7: Oh yes, he's got such a laugh the other day

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Speaker 7: about them here and came more of a laugh today, Ryan.

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Speaker 3: So we've got two things to tackle and we've actually

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Speaker 3: got an update on the and everyone would have heard

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Speaker 3: about the cops. Tamotha Paul and the police comments, well,

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Speaker 3: there's an update in just a second. But Barry, you've

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Speaker 3: got an update from the House on thefit.

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Speaker 7: Profit profit profit. Yes, indeed you can understand why the

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Speaker 7: Green's leadership in Parliament have embraced the color of their

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Speaker 7: party because they're Green with envy of anyone that does

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Speaker 7: make money out of doing business. Their co leader, Close Swarbrick,

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Speaker 7: was added again in Parliament today out the quizzing the

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Speaker 7: Prime Minister on why he, without shame embraces profit.

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Speaker 13: Here she is When the Prime Minister says profit is

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Speaker 13: a good thing, does he mean the one million dollars

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Speaker 13: in excess profits a day made by the supermarket chiwopoly,

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Speaker 13: or the record billions in profits made by banks and

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Speaker 13: the energy sector that a former national government partially privatized,

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Speaker 13: or something else?

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Speaker 14: I mean, I answally him stump for words the thoughts

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Speaker 14: I think in that question of Chloe Sporwick ever being

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Speaker 14: a finance minister in a Labour Greens government future government

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Speaker 14: is not great.

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Speaker 13: How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders

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Speaker 13: to fork out for his public private partnerships?

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Speaker 15: Coverty questions, right, on with Peters asked the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 15: has his cabinet decided to review all of the world

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Speaker 15: where dusk capital still works? And do they know they

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Speaker 15: as a cabinet tend to take on those economic theories.

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Speaker 14: It would be safe to say that we are not

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Speaker 14: proponents of dust capital.

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Speaker 13: How much private profit is he comfortable asking New Zealanders

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Speaker 13: to fork out for his public private partnerships because he

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Speaker 13: refuses to fairly tax the wealthiest New Zealanders in this country?

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Speaker 13: Why is the government refusing to invest and publicly led,

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Speaker 13: publicly funded and publicly operated infrastructure.

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Speaker 7: Yes, indeed, and the answer to that question is quite simple, ready,

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Speaker 7: because we're capital thinn in this country. That's why we

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Speaker 7: seek capital from abroad.

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Speaker 3: Now, the Greens spokeswoman on police Tammotha Paul at it again,

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Speaker 3: this time saying basically that cops on the beat are

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Speaker 3: just wandering around wasting their time.

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Speaker 7: Well essentially that's what she is saying that. I mean,

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Speaker 7: she's under fire for the comments. I mean, Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 7: the Police Minister, can't believe it. She said it was

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Speaker 7: possible to replace cops on the beat and of course

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Speaker 7: the latest advent of this government. She seemed to suggest

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Speaker 7: though it's a new advent for police being out on

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Speaker 7: the beat. Well for her knowledge, and she's only in

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Speaker 7: a late twenty they are on the beat when I

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Speaker 7: was a kid, and that's many many years ago before

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Speaker 7: she was ever a spark in her parent's eye. But look,

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Speaker 7: Paul makes no apologies for her view on the police

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Speaker 7: and being the Worthington Central MP. She reckons she knows

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Speaker 7: what she's talking about.

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Speaker 16: I think that the police should be responding to incidences

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Speaker 16: of domestic violence, sexual violence, things that only they can do.

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Speaker 16: I think beat patrols is an easy thing that can

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Speaker 16: be substituted for by Marty Warden's by halfay aka kind

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Speaker 16: of community people walking around which we have in Wellington.

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Speaker 16: I think it's unusual for them to see someone be

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Speaker 16: critical of the police. But I think it is important

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Speaker 16: that somebody in this parliament are critical of police because

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Speaker 16: the IPCA, who investigate misconduct by the police, only investigate

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Speaker 16: two percent of all of the complaints that they receive.

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Speaker 16: The heavier visual presence of police does not make people

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Speaker 16: feel safer. It makes people feel more on edge because

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Speaker 16: there are more police around.

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Speaker 7: I mean, can you believe that this is the Greens

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Speaker 7: spokes woman on police and if they are in coalition

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Speaker 7: with the Labor Party, lord help her at the next election.

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Speaker 7: Well who knows. I mean, you've got Chloe worrying about profit,

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Speaker 7: You've got this Tamatha Paul saying cop shouldn't be on

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Speaker 7: the beat. What's the what's the country going to come to?

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Speaker 3: There's actually an update on this Barry from Laura who's

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Speaker 3: executive producer here. So Tamotha Paul in her comments accused

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Speaker 3: police of waiting for homeless people to leave their spot,

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Speaker 3: packing their stuff up and throwing it in the bin,

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Speaker 3: and she said she credited this with feedback she had

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Speaker 3: received as the local MP from the Salvation Army. Now,

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Speaker 3: of course the media has gone to the Salvation Army

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Speaker 3: and they have replied, I am not cured, thank you

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Speaker 3: for your inquiry. I'm not sure who might have made

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Speaker 3: this comment to Tamotha Paul. It was not anyone in

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Speaker 3: an official capacity with the Salvation Army, as I am aware,

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Speaker 3: we have a good relationship with the New Zealand Police

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Speaker 3: and we would raise any potential problems directly with them.

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Speaker 7: So not refuse collectors on the beat.

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Speaker 3: No, apparently not and the Salvation Army doesn't hold that view.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and wait for some more evidence.

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Speaker 7: I guess where she comes up with the figures. I

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Speaker 7: will never know. No, like two percent of IPCA complaints

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Speaker 7: being investigated, there's independent investigations with two percent, but there

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Speaker 7: are many more complaints that are looked at by the place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't just they don't ignore everything else. They

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Speaker 3: look into everything and then only those that they dom

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Speaker 3: serious enough or with legitimate.

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Speaker 7: They have an independent investigation. And that's where she got

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Speaker 7: the two percent figure. But you know it's totally misleading.

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper, thanks for your time. Barrysa for senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 3: It is ten away from five. News Talk said be

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Speaker 3: coming up after five we'll talk about Liam Lawson. Actually

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Speaker 3: Jan has asked for a very specific question for Greg Murphy,

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Speaker 3: who's on the show after five. She said, could Liam

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Speaker 3: Lawson potentially join another team? None of the journals seem

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Speaker 3: to be asking this question, and I would like it answered.

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Speaker 4: Jan.

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Speaker 3: You will get that out sid After five evening, it's

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Speaker 3: nine two.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 17: The government is having a crack at cross Party support

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Speaker 17: for their RMA reform. Labor Party leader Crushipkins.

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Speaker 2: Where are you at.

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Speaker 18: We're keen to try and achieve some certainty for New Zealanders.

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Speaker 18: So if we can find a way forward that involves

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Speaker 18: a bit of compromise, and then we're very keen to

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Speaker 18: talk to them.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that.

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Speaker 18: We've heard a lot from New Zealanders is the ping

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Speaker 18: pong where each government comes in and just changes everything

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Speaker 18: the last government did is actually getting a bit dizzy,

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Speaker 18: InKo people. Compromise will be required on both sides if

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Speaker 18: we're going to get something that's a bit more stable

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Speaker 18: and that avoids that.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 17: I was very pleased to hear you say that the

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Speaker 17: other day, but then I asked Ginny Anderson about your charter.

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Speaker 3: Schools and she botched that.

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Speaker 17: So on one hand you're saying we want to cooperate,

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Speaker 17: on another hand, we're not canceling stuff. And then you

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Speaker 17: are back tomorrow at six am the mic asking breakfast

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Speaker 17: with the rain drove the last news talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Six minutes away from five. Will look at Liam Lawson

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Speaker 3: after five. Also we will look at the TOTO on

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Speaker 3: a city council, which is copying some flack that's putting

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Speaker 3: it mildly from ratepayers over the coffee bill half a

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Speaker 3: million dollars, though that has spread over five years. The

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Speaker 3: real question for me is how much. Because at this

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Speaker 3: workplace you get instant coffee. You've got a choice. You've

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Speaker 3: got tea instant coffee milo, or you've got a coffee machine,

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Speaker 3: not a barista one where you actually have to make

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Speaker 3: it yourself and do hard labor, but an automatic coffee machine,

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Speaker 3: though it does froth the milk apparently I haven't used

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Speaker 3: that feature yet, bells and whistles here it ends in me,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know what that costs. But we've kind

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Speaker 3: of crunched the numbers on how much your instant coffee

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Speaker 3: would cost per person, and then how much your barista

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Speaker 3: coffee would cost per person. And we'll talk about that

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Speaker 3: after five o'cock because if you're getting a twelve percent

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Speaker 3: increase in rates, you will be asking questions. Let's be

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Speaker 3: honest about that. China you will be probably not surprised

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Speaker 3: to know, remains the top threat to the United States.

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Speaker 3: So this Every year of the US does a threat

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Speaker 3: assessment from intelligence officials, which basically means what did the

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Speaker 3: American spies think so, they say enemy number one, congratulations again,

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Speaker 3: it is you China. They say they're making steady progress.

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Speaker 3: The Chinese on capabilities to take Taiwan. They say they

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Speaker 3: can hit us weapons. Are sorry, they can hit a

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Speaker 3: conventional hit the US with conventional weapons and cyber attacks.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing. They can also get at the

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Speaker 3: satellites in space that the US controls. They also say

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Speaker 3: that the Chinese, according to their latest intelligence, want to

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Speaker 3: replace the US as the top AI power by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 3: And he who controls the AI controls the world, I suppose,

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Speaker 3: is the theory. It is coming up to four minutes

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 2: We'll have bridge.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a little bit more on that after six

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Speaker 3: this evening, and a little bit more on this deal

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Speaker 3: between Russia and Ukraine broken by the United States. This

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Speaker 3: is in Saudi Arabia. They've agreed to a cease fire,

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Speaker 3: but only if the Russians get the sanctions lifted on

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Speaker 3: their agricultural products. So is that going to happen? Is

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Speaker 3: the U is going to sort of appease and make

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Speaker 3: that work. Well, we have to wait and see, won't

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Speaker 3: we talk to continue in Saudi Arabia. Greg Murphy on

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson right after the news here on News Talks,

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Speaker 3: here'd be and we will get to Jack Tayman. Jordan

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Speaker 3: Williams on the Huddle after five thirty.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know got enough.

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Speaker 19: I've got this gud but I love bends thinking.

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Speaker 20: I just mind lose it all.

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Speaker 19: God thee.

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Speaker 2: Stay. Oh aren't you I need you all?

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Speaker 1: Ah need.

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Speaker 2: It is beautiful things that.

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Speaker 1: Are questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Brian Bridge on Heather Duplicy allan

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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talks'd good.

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Speaker 3: Man A seven after five Liam Lawson and f one

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Speaker 3: this Dutch newspaper to Telegraph reporting he's been dropped by

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Speaker 3: Red Bull and will be replaced by Yuki Sonoda in Japan.

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Speaker 3: Greg Murphy is a motorsport legend. He's with us tonight.

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Speaker 3: Hi Greg, he going yeah, good do you? First of all,

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Speaker 3: do you do you buy this report? Is it credible?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 21: It's very difficult these days, silly referencing formula one, knowing

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Speaker 21: what to believe.

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Speaker 3: It could well be.

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Speaker 21: Unfortunately, there has been a meeting about all things red

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Speaker 21: Bull and their drivers and movie forward and doctor Helmert

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Speaker 21: Marco likes to leak things to the media before they've

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Speaker 21: announced fully, so potentially maybe that is what's happened. But

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Speaker 21: until there's an official.

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Speaker 3: Red Bull release, we'll just sit.

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Speaker 21: Tight and wait and see it sounds it sounds pretty

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Speaker 21: drastic to be fair. Yes, it's been a challenging start

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Speaker 21: for Liam, but two rounds in we are going into

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Speaker 21: the Japanese Grand pri next week. Yuki Sonoda is a

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Speaker 21: Japanese driver. Maybe they've decided they want to do that

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Speaker 21: for that event to get more attention.

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Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 21: It is as an interesting bizarre world Formula One and

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Speaker 21: certainly Red Bull make it even more bizarre with some

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Speaker 21: of the decisions and some of the things they do.

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Speaker 3: Is if this is true, let's assume that for a

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Speaker 3: second and they do drop him, could they drop him

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Speaker 3: for justice one rate and then bring him back.

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Speaker 21: Well again, anything is p absolutely anything. So if they

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Speaker 21: are going to do what they say, he's you know,

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Speaker 21: he's probably going to end up in the V car.

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Speaker 21: But if that's the case, and if that's the case,

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Speaker 21: well that car has proven to be quite driveable and

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Speaker 21: actually quite competitive so far in twenty twenty five the

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Speaker 21: first two rounds.

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Speaker 2: The thing that's let them down is.

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Speaker 21: The strategic sort of plays which has cost the team

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Speaker 21: a number of points for both their drivers. So if

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Speaker 21: he does end up in that car, it's a team

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Speaker 21: he knows, well, there's a good chance he's going to

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Speaker 21: perform probably performed quite well, because that car is looking

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Speaker 21: like it's easier to drive and performing quite well at

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Speaker 21: the moment compared to the difficulty that the RB twenty

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Speaker 21: one that Max for Stepan and Lamb are currently driving.

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Speaker 21: How difficult that car is by the looks of it,

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Speaker 21: and also by what has been reported by Max for

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Speaker 21: steppin on saying how difficult that car is to drive.

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Speaker 21: So who knows, who knows what will happen, But there's

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Speaker 21: a lot of evolution that that team needs to have

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Speaker 21: because if Max for Stepan is not winning, that means

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Speaker 21: that car is not anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Near where it needs to be.

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Speaker 21: Because he is the best driver in the world at

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Speaker 21: the moment, you know, all the stats say it. He's

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Speaker 21: proven that time and time again, and if he's not

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Speaker 21: winning in the red Ball, that means that car is

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Speaker 21: not where it needs to be, and it's obviously been

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Speaker 21: found to be a lot tougher for Liam to get

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Speaker 21: hold of and.

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Speaker 2: Wrap his head around.

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Speaker 21: And Max is so experienced and does have an innate

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Speaker 21: set of skills which is allowing him to still be

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Speaker 21: competitive and it's it's a shock to me Liam is

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Speaker 21: playing it so hard.

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Speaker 3: In a tough position to be and to Greg, thank

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Speaker 3: you very much for that analysis. Greg Murphy, who's a

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Speaker 3: most sport legend with us on the show talking Liam

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Speaker 3: Lawson ten up to five y Bridge. Just sentencing laws

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Speaker 3: passed today They will limit how much judges can discount

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Speaker 3: a sentence. This will be a cap at forty percent.

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Speaker 3: Paul Goldsmith is Justice Minister, Home Minister, good afternoon, how

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Speaker 3: are you good? Thank you so sentencing discount. So the

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Speaker 3: cap is now a maximum of forty percent. What can

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Speaker 3: you get a discount for? Can you get it discount

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Speaker 3: for your culture or because you grew up poor?

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Speaker 22: We look, the primary discount is for pleading guilty, and

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Speaker 22: that's something that is important.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 22: If people plead guilty, then the victims of crime spared

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Speaker 22: all the trauma of the trial and so forth, So

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Speaker 22: there's a discount for that. What we're doing though, was

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Speaker 22: making sure that you can get up to twenty five

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Speaker 22: percent discount if you plead guilty right at the start

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Speaker 22: of the process, but not on the morning of the trial,

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Speaker 22: which has started to creep into a practice. So we're

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Speaker 22: having a sliding scale of that. Well, there are other

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Speaker 22: things such as youth and remorse and the background, all situation,

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Speaker 22: and so what we're also saying with this as well,

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Speaker 22: Yes you can be remorseful, but only once. You can't

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Speaker 22: be remorseful five times, and you can't get a discount

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Speaker 22: for being young a whole set of times. Either, You've

729
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Speaker 22: got to take some consequences.

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Speaker 3: What about the background, because that's one of the things

731
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Speaker 3: that you talked about in the election a lot, and

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Speaker 3: you can still get a discount for it.

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Speaker 22: Well, look of the sentencing principles is to take into

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Speaker 22: account the circumstances and background of the offender. What we

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Speaker 22: stopped was the cottage industry that had developed around cultural reports,

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Speaker 22: which was starting to cost millions and millions of dollars.

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Speaker 22: So we put a stop to that.

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Speaker 3: But you can change anything, can't you. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: say it's the principle fact. You can change those if

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Speaker 3: you want.

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Speaker 22: And so the basic approach that we have is that

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Speaker 22: Parliament sets maximum sentences for serious war for crimes, and

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Speaker 22: then there's discretion for the judiciary. What we're doing with

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Speaker 22: this legislation is limiting that discretion because we're concerned that

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Speaker 22: there's been too many instances of these massive discounts where

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Speaker 22: people are sentenced, are convicted of serious crimes, violent offenses,

747
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Speaker 22: sexual offenses, and then through a series of large discounts,

748
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Speaker 22: end up on home detention and sentences that we don't

749
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Speaker 22: think reflect the gravity of the crime. And so that's

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Speaker 22: why Parliament sending this signal and this government sending the

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Speaker 22: signal that we want to have stronger consequences.

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Speaker 3: Explain to me this idea of you're encouraging the use

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Speaker 3: of cumulative sentencing, for you know, if you do something

754
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Speaker 3: while you're on bail or you're in custody or whatever,

755
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Speaker 3: then you get a cumulative sentence or that's being encouraged.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean.

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Speaker 22: Well, it is sometimes a practice that if you're convicted

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Speaker 22: of one thing and then two weeks later, or another

759
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Speaker 22: thing and then another thing, if you serve them all cumulatively,

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Speaker 22: you could end up having a prison sentence for twenty

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Speaker 22: years or fifteen years. And that has real consequences for

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Speaker 22: the whole system, and so sometimes those sentences are put together. Now,

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Speaker 22: part of our coalition agreement with New Zealand first was

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Speaker 22: to insist upon concurrent sentencing and so adding them all

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Speaker 22: together into one sentence. But we've got to work at

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Speaker 22: that piece by piece because the reality is that would

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Speaker 22: have a huge impact on our prison population. So we're

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Speaker 22: just working our way through it and encouraging that and sentencing.

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Speaker 3: Do you want because it doesn't seem fair. I mean

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Speaker 3: if you're the victim of it. So let's say somebody

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Speaker 3: robs a bank, stabbed somebody and then rape somebody. If

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Speaker 3: you're the one who got raped or got stabbed, why

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Speaker 3: should you the sentence not be just as long, do

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? It's almost like they're getting

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Speaker 3: off just because they did other stuff. They're getting off

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Speaker 3: on your crime.

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Speaker 22: Well, yes, And the other broader concern is if somebody

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Speaker 22: is on bail for a serious offense already, and they're

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Speaker 22: on bail and they go out and create another fresh victim,

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Speaker 22: if there's no additional penalty, then that sentence a very

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Speaker 22: bad signal. So that's the thing that we're worried about,

782
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Speaker 22: and that's why we're encouraging those sentences to be added

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Speaker 22: one on top of the other. We haven't gone so

784
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Speaker 22: far as legislating that should that should always happen every

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Speaker 22: time at this stage because it does have very very

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Speaker 22: significant impacts on the prison population and our ability to

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Speaker 22: cope with it. We're we're tackling it one step at

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Speaker 22: a time.

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Speaker 3: All right, Minister, will leave it there. Paul Goldsmith, the

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Speaker 3: Justice Minister, on the new sentencing walls that have been

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Speaker 3: passed today, much talked about, big feature of the election campaign,

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Speaker 3: you might remember, and so finally made their way through Parliament.

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Speaker 3: What are we now, March of twenty twenty five. You're

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Speaker 3: on News talks. Heb coming up next, we'll go to

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Speaker 3: Totonger where there is huge uproar about the coffee at

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Speaker 3: the Council. News Talks here'b it is seventeen minutes after five.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry Jan who texted the show earlier, and another

798
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Speaker 3: number of you have texted in to remind me that

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Speaker 3: I've forgot to ask Jan's question of Greg Murphy about

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Speaker 3: Liam Lawson. My apologies. I have since checked. So Jan's

801
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Speaker 3: question was basically, if Liam Lawson gets the sack from

802
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: Red Bull, red Bull? Can he go elsewhere? Does anyone

803
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: else want him? And the answer is that yes, there

804
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: were two teams other than Red Bull who wanted him

805
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 3: in the last round, but Red Bull will likely still

806
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 3: want him. They're not just going to drop him completely.

807
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Speaker 3: They'll keep him on and maybe just demote him. So

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Speaker 3: there you go, Jan there's the answer to your question.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you're satisfied. Eighteen minutes after five, Ryan totong A

810
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Speaker 3: City Council has accepted a five year contract for coffee

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Speaker 3: machines so staff don't have to waste time leaving the

812
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Speaker 3: office for their fix the problem. The contract is worth

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Speaker 3: half a million dollars and includes five years worth of coffee.

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Speaker 3: They're less than seventy meters away from the closest coffee shop,

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Speaker 3: with several more nearby. As you can imagine, rape pays

816
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Speaker 3: are up in arms. Totonger City councilor Steve Morris with

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Speaker 3: me now, Hi Steve.

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Speaker 23: Good afternoon, Ryan. How will you good?

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Speaker 3: Can you understand the outrage?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 23: I certainly can. When I first found out about the secret,

822
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Speaker 23: I cerddainly spat out my.

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Speaker 3: Milo Why half a million dollars?

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Speaker 24: Yeah?

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Speaker 23: So I've had a look at it and looked into

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Speaker 23: the detail, and there are roughly six hundred odd people

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Speaker 23: in this new council building, and if half of them

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Speaker 23: have a cup of coffee day over forty eight weeks,

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Speaker 23: five days a week, it's looking at about fifty five

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Speaker 23: sixty six cents per coffee. But when you look at

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Speaker 23: that four hundred and seventy thousand dollars figure, I thought

832
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Speaker 23: it must have been coming from that Sumatran civet that

833
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 23: eats coffee beans off the jungle floor and then partially

834
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Speaker 23: digests them and then people make a very very expensive

835
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Speaker 23: coffee out of it.

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Speaker 3: So the just the context of four hundred and seventy

837
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Speaker 3: thousand is for the machine, which is like a proper

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Speaker 3: barista machine, and the coffee beans for five years, but

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Speaker 3: not the milk, right, And the milk is correct one,

840
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of milk to froth it up. You

841
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Speaker 3: need a lot of milk to begin with, and then

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of waste of milk as well, So

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Speaker 3: we haven't counted that in the four seventy right.

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Speaker 23: No, it's not gouther than seventy. I think it's a

845
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Speaker 23: conservative assumption that you've only got half the number of

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Speaker 23: public servants in the building having one coffee per day. Yeah, true,

847
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Speaker 23: So I think I think it's a reasonable assumption. That

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Speaker 23: being said, it's a hell of a big number. And

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Speaker 23: I think in support of the Mayor's comment around user

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Speaker 23: pays as a way of selling a rather large budget

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Speaker 23: hole that we've been left by the commission, charity starts

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Speaker 23: at home, and perhaps we could be charging fifty cents

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Speaker 23: or even a dollar a coffee from our council organization

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Speaker 23: to recap the costs, may start making money be tex issue.

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Speaker 3: These are good to see, these are great ideas, but

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Speaker 3: people are ratepayers who just have been happ with a

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Speaker 3: twelve and a half percent rate increase. We'll be listening

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Speaker 3: to the thinking this is ridiculous. What are you going

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Speaker 3: to have a ten with people putting a dollar or

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Speaker 3: two dollars in? Why not just scrap the barista style

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Speaker 3: coffee all together and go with mconna hame.

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Speaker 24: Oh well.

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Speaker 7: It does.

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Speaker 23: That was a very interesting add back in the nineties.

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Speaker 23: I would certainly be in favor of that. However, my

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Speaker 23: understanding is that the tender document has come back, so

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Speaker 23: it was published on the council website a month ago

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Speaker 23: when I saw it, and so we've got to work

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Speaker 23: with what we've been left. And so my view is,

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Speaker 23: make the best out of a bad situation. Get people

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Speaker 23: with their swipe cards to log in and you get

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Speaker 23: a dollar taken out of your your pay packet for

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Speaker 23: the next Fortnite, and go forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It's step obligated.

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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's Ryan Bridge on

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be five point twenty five on news talks. They'd

905
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Speaker 3: be good to have your company from today. If a

906
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Speaker 3: boss fails to pay you, it will actually be considered

907
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Speaker 3: a crime. Up until now, it wasn't really The bill

908
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: that made this law has had its Royal assent this week.

909
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Speaker 3: It means that it will now be a criminal offense

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Speaker 3: for an employer to intentionally fail to pay an employee

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Speaker 3: money they are legally owed. If you've ever not been paid,

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Speaker 3: you will know how frustrating, not just frustrating, but how

913
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Speaker 3: much that can bring you to anger, especially if the

914
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Speaker 3: boss refuses to pay it, and if it was done intentionally,

915
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Speaker 3: even worse the problem this actually happens more frequently than

916
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Speaker 3: you think. Twenty thousand migrant workers were exploited in this

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Speaker 3: country in the year of twenty eighteen alone, twenty thousand.

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Speaker 3: Unless there's a reasonable excuse. Now you can be well

919
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Speaker 3: your employers can be considered criminally libel labor and p

920
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Speaker 3: Ibraham Omer was his member's bill that kicked this off.

921
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Speaker 3: He was a refugee that came here and experienced wage

922
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Speaker 3: theft after arriving in New Zealand as a refugee, his

923
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Speaker 3: employer didn't pay him properly. It was wage theft. He

924
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Speaker 3: wanted to do something about it, so he has and

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Speaker 3: with the support of New Zealand First, they've now got

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Speaker 3: this bill into law, so good on them. It's about time.

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Speaker 3: It's not on and it's happening far too much right

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Speaker 3: across New Zealand. Twenty seven after five, Ryan Bridge, so

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Speaker 3: many texts on the coffee, Ryan, Why the f would

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Speaker 3: rate payers be paying for counselors coffee? Buy your own

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Speaker 3: freaking coffee, Ryan, support the local coffee shops. Miserable council.

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Speaker 3: That's the other thing. The justification for why totaling a

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Speaker 3: city council is going to pay for a barista style

934
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Speaker 3: coffee machine and beans for five years is because they

935
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Speaker 3: don't want the staff leaving their desk and going to

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Speaker 3: a coffee shop, which we have calculated as sixty seven

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Speaker 3: meters away. How much time are they spending up and

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Speaker 3: down out of their seats going to coffee shops? And

939
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Speaker 3: do people not have a smokeo break that's you know,

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Speaker 3: ten or fifteen minutes a lunch break, a smoko like

941
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Speaker 3: everybody else. I don't know these talks B. We'll get

942
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Speaker 3: to the huddle.

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Speaker 1: Next after making the news the news makers talk to

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Speaker 1: Ryan Furst. It's Ryan Bridge on hither Duplicylan drive with

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Speaker 1: one New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Let's get connected news talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Pretty far away from sex news talks, said be. We'll

948
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Speaker 3: speak to Janet's training from the Herald after six and

949
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Speaker 3: also look into this water care why is the host

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Speaker 3: doubling for one of their projects? Also Torpedo seven the

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Speaker 3: new owners revealing quite a major shakeup. They're closing a

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Speaker 3: couple of stores and they're converting the majority of the

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Speaker 3: remaining stores. Changing the name of them will tell you

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Speaker 3: what too and how much it could save you. Quick

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Speaker 3: text though, this is on the totong returning to the

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Speaker 3: Totonga and the coffee and the council. Ryan, I used

957
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Speaker 3: to work it, and I have no way of knowing

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Speaker 3: if this text is true or not, by the way,

959
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Speaker 3: but I'm just gonna read it anyway because it's too good. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I used to work at that council, totong A City Council,

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Speaker 3: and I can tell you it doesn't stop at the coffee.

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Speaker 3: There is bread, white and brown, all different types of spreads,

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Speaker 3: real butter, all the kind of natural tea that you

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Speaker 3: would like to choose from. There are three different types

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Speaker 3: of milk, and then there is the fancy chairs and

966
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Speaker 3: the fancy tables to sit at at their modern cafes.

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Speaker 3: For Smoko, it's a rought. Their rates are out of

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Speaker 3: control and that is just the start. Next, check out

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Speaker 3: the manager's salary and exactly what they are doing.

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Speaker 9: It's appalling.

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Speaker 25: Does sound like a nice to work though?

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Speaker 3: Sounds lovely. Yeah, I wouldn't mind going there. Twenty three

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Speaker 3: away from six, World Athletics is going to make female

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Speaker 3: track and field athletes do a DNA test to prove

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Speaker 3: they are biologically female. Athletes will be subject to a

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Speaker 3: non invasive cheek swab, it's face cheek swab and a

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Speaker 3: dry blood spot test, and that would only be done

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Speaker 3: once in their career. Dave Durant is a former Olympian

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Speaker 3: emeritus professor in Sports Medicine at Otaga University. He's with

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Speaker 3: me this evening. Hi Dave, Oh, Hi Ryan, What exactly

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Speaker 3: does the DNA test tell us?

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Speaker 24: Well, it concerns Ryan whether we are biologically male or female.

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Speaker 24: And I think this is the contentious issue that has arisen,

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Speaker 24: and I think it was highlighted at the Olympics in

985
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Speaker 24: Paris league controversy over the two boxers who were considered

986
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Speaker 24: not to be of the sex in which they were fighting.

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Speaker 24: And I think this is where the controversy over gender,

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Speaker 24: which is an affirmation and sex, which is a biologically

989
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Speaker 24: determined fact. It can't be changed. I think this is

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Speaker 24: where the controversy arose, and I think World Athletics are

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Speaker 24: doing their bit to ensure that people who do compete

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Speaker 24: in women's events are truly biological female athletes.

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Speaker 3: And does is the test accurate? I mean is it? Yes?

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Speaker 24: Yes?

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Speaker 3: All right, So no question about that.

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Speaker 24: And I know science is very very solid and it's

997
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Speaker 24: been I mean, it's used in common medical practice for

998
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Speaker 24: genetic issues and to determine the sex of individuals. So

999
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 24: it is sound and it is sound science.

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Speaker 3: What about this argument that if you have transitioned after

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Speaker 3: or if you've transitioned, say during teenage, so you've never

1002
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Speaker 3: had the advantage of testosterone during your formative years, that

1003
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Speaker 3: might influence you know, your performance later in your career.

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Speaker 3: Does that come into it? This is quite a line

1005
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: in the stand, isn't it. It's basically saying if you

1006
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Speaker 3: were born a female, you're not welcoming athletics.

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Speaker 24: No, it's saying, if you were born a biologically female,

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Speaker 24: you are entitled to compete in women's events. That's conflating

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Speaker 24: the terms gender and sex. I think when we talk

1010
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Speaker 24: about males and females, we're talking about sex. When we

1011
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 24: talk about men and women, we're talking about your affirmation

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Speaker 24: as a man or a woman, yes, which may not

1013
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 24: be in accordance with your sex allocated at birth. Does

1014
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Speaker 24: it make sense.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So basically I got it around the wrong way

1016
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: because it gets confusing when you start to but if

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Speaker 3: you're born biologically male years then you cannot compete.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, and we have what's

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00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 24: called the binary in sport, is that biological females and

1020
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Speaker 24: biological males differ from the time of puberty, where the

1021
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Speaker 24: liberation of testosterone, the male hormone, is ten to fifteen

1022
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Speaker 24: times higher in males. And it's the difference between developing stature, strength,

1023
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 24: muscle power, endurance, and various other factors which give a

1024
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 24: discriminator between men and women. It's why no women's world

1025
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 24: record in any sport is faster or higher or longer

1026
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Speaker 24: than any male. It's a question of fairness and it's

1027
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Speaker 24: an acknowledgment of normal biological development.

1028
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Speaker 3: And a nutshell in a word, day Is this the

1029
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: right move?

1030
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Speaker 24: I think it is Ryan and I think it kind

1031
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 24: of sidesteps the controversy that arose in Paris where Thomas Bark,

1032
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Speaker 24: the IOC president, said, well, as far as I'm concerned,

1033
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Speaker 24: what's written in their passports and the way that these

1034
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Speaker 24: two athletes were brought up, in other words, they were

1035
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Speaker 24: brought up as females, is good enough for me. So

1036
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Speaker 24: he put aside the science, which would have, I think,

1037
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Speaker 24: put the debate to rest. And he went on a

1038
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Speaker 24: fairly fundamental and ideological principle of saying, well, you know,

1039
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Speaker 24: in their passports it says their women, and they've been

1040
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Speaker 24: brought up as women. That's good enough for me.

1041
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Speaker 3: So this is bringing it back to bringing it back

1042
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Speaker 3: to the science, Dave, which obviously is your field as well.

1043
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Speaker 3: I appreciate your time, Dave Jerrard, who's a former Olympian

1044
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Speaker 3: emeritus professor in Sports Medicine at Otaga University. It is

1045
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Speaker 3: eighteen to.

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Speaker 1: Six The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty.

1047
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Speaker 2: Find your one of the Kind.

1048
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Speaker 3: I'm the Huddle tonight. Jack Tam, host of Saturday mornings

1049
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Speaker 3: on News Talks, HEB and Q and A on TV one.

1050
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 3: Hey Jack, Hey, Ryan, good to have you on. And

1051
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: Jordan Williams is here from taxpos In. Hey, Jordan, did

1052
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 3: the right the right move Jack by our World Athletics,

1053
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,439
Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 26: I think they and many other sporting bodies simply feel

1055
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 26: like things have got to a point where they have

1056
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 26: to draw a line in the sand. And the problem is,

1057
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Speaker 26: in some respects it is a very very difficult line

1058
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Speaker 26: to draw, because inevitably they're going to be people you

1059
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 26: upset and given participation is one of the kind of

1060
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Speaker 26: foundations of most sports, they're going to be people who

1061
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Speaker 26: feel as though they are being excluded from it. I

1062
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Speaker 26: think for the most part, you know a lot of

1063
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Speaker 26: people are going to support World Athletics with this. And

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Speaker 26: there's the transgender issue which they've referring to, which I

1065
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Speaker 26: suppose is the difference between gender and sex and the

1066
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Speaker 26: way that he described people as affirming their gender. I

1067
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Speaker 26: think one of the big questions with World Athletics is

1068
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Speaker 26: the place for people who have DSD. I think they

1069
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Speaker 26: call it like differences in sexual development. So even though

1070
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Speaker 26: we think of sex as being binary males and females,

1071
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Speaker 26: obviously there are some people who have things like additional zones.

1072
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Speaker 26: So they still might particularly be a woman or genetic man,

1073
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Speaker 26: but they might have certain physical advantages that other people

1074
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Speaker 26: who are sex as they have. And of works exposition

1075
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Speaker 26: is that not only will this ruling mean that people

1076
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Speaker 26: who are perhaps transgender and identify as the different gender

1077
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Speaker 26: to their sex, not only will they not be able

1078
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Speaker 26: to compete in their in they're chosen necessarily when the

1079
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Speaker 26: gender they identify with necessarily, but also people who have

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Speaker 26: those naturally occurring differences might also be isolated. And like

1081
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Speaker 26: I say, you've got you've got to draw a line somewhere.

1082
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Speaker 26: I can imagine that that's a group of people who

1083
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Speaker 26: feel pretty aggrieved at this because because when you think

1084
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Speaker 26: about it, you know, sorry, just one last point, Like

1085
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Speaker 26: when you think about it, like Michael, the reason he's

1086
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Speaker 26: won so many gold medals, one of the reasons he's

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Speaker 26: won is because he has these kind of naturally occurring

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Speaker 26: physical qualities that distinguish him from other swimmers. I mean

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Speaker 26: you look at his the length of his arms, for example,

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Speaker 26: and his feet. I mean, he's completely different physiologically to

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Speaker 26: so many of his so many of his competitors. And

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Speaker 26: IPO saying that even some people who have those naturally

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Speaker 26: occurring differences, they're also going to be unable to compete,

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Speaker 26: you know, in the sticks that they were assigned.

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Speaker 3: In other words, what about the hermaphrodites? And then that's

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Speaker 3: essentially Jordan where we're going here.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 27: Have much to say. I think that that Dave from

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Speaker 27: A from A if you'd listened to Radio New Zealand,

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Speaker 27: would have sounded quite radical. But based on the text

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Speaker 27: messages I can see coming into to this station seemed

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Speaker 27: quite mainstream. And what what more could I add to

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Speaker 27: what Jack and Dave have said?

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Speaker 3: You don't want to touch this or that I've got.

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Speaker 3: Apparently fighting from other taxes attracts lots.

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Speaker 27: Of enemies, apparently fighting for the difference between men and women.

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Speaker 3: Also, I mean I've picked one fair enough, fair enough

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Speaker 3: we can be on from this topic. We don't all

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Speaker 3: have to pick aside. I think you've got to be

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Speaker 3: you've got to have a fair competition for women, for

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Speaker 3: biological women, but you can also have another Why can't

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Speaker 3: they have another category? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 27: Like I saw you bite your tongue when he said,

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Speaker 27: you know, you only need to be tested once in

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Speaker 27: your life, and all the listeners were biting it by

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Speaker 27: the thinking is he going to ask? But what if

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Speaker 27: they change the gender?

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's the thing though, isn't it Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: you did it. That was okay. No, I think David

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Speaker 3: I very well.

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Speaker 27: He had most of what you couldn't read out.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen away from Sex News talks. They'd be would be

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Speaker 3: back with Jack and Jordan in a second.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 1: with local and global reach.

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Speaker 3: Jack Tame and Jordan Williams on the huddle. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: about something you can talk about Jordan's soon as you

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Speaker 3: have whimped out of the last one total on a

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Speaker 3: city council in this coffee bill, So four hundred and

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Speaker 3: seventy thousand dollars will get you four coffee machines and

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Speaker 3: beans for five years.

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Speaker 27: Just outrageous. This is a council that says, oh, we've

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Speaker 27: got no money. We're going to put up rates by

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Speaker 27: twelve percent, we need to revitalize the CBDA. Boy, oh boy,

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Speaker 27: We're not going to send our staff outside for you know,

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Speaker 27: to go to a cafe. What we just need to

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Speaker 27: get a grup. This is a story of the taxpayer

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Speaker 27: you've been sitting on. We've had this for about three weeks.

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Speaker 27: The council had to respond within the next week about

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Speaker 27: more details. We found the tender online and what do

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Speaker 27: you know, they give it to some friendly media and

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Speaker 27: stuff to try to spin it. I am sorry, Mahi Drysdale.

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Speaker 27: You should be on here explaining to tarring and rate

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Speaker 27: payers facing a twelve percent hike and rates.

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Speaker 7: How on earth you.

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Speaker 27: Justify half a million dollars for three four coffee machines.

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Speaker 27: You heard of espresso, There are a couple of hundred bucks.

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Speaker 27: Also heard of coffee capsules, they're a dollar each. You're

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Speaker 27: spending half a million dollars on four coffee machines.

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Speaker 3: And presumably they will also have on top of that

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Speaker 3: Jack tea like they do here, and tea bags, you know,

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Speaker 3: instant coffee and Milo, you know what I mean. Like,

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Speaker 3: it's not just this. I'm assuming that's milk and the fridge.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, well, careful Ryan. You know, I think some of

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Speaker 26: the shareholders a bit but un happy with things at

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Speaker 26: the moment, so you don't want to give out too

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Speaker 26: much corporate.

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Speaker 25: Detail at the moment.

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Speaker 26: But no, look, I just think what a missed opportunity.

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Speaker 26: I mean, like you're coming out of a period where

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Speaker 26: commissioners have been running the city because the council was

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Speaker 26: so dysfunctional. One of the absolute top of the list

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Speaker 26: most critical roles I think for the new council and

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Speaker 26: indeed for the new mayor is to win the trust

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Speaker 26: of the public. To show the public that actually they're

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Speaker 26: worthy of their votes, that they don't need commissioners, that

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Speaker 26: you have functioning leadership at the head of your council,

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Speaker 26: and to come out and say, yes, we know our

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Speaker 26: city's facing all sorts of pressures at the moment. This

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Speaker 26: is one relatively small, but a sacrifice none the less

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Speaker 26: that we are willing to make in order to make

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Speaker 26: sure we're getting the very best value for Totung's ratepayers.

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Speaker 26: I would have thought would be a really easy and

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Speaker 26: people are going to look at that baseline number half

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Speaker 26: a million bucks of the next few years and recoil.

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Speaker 27: Yeah, And it's just it's utter arrogance from the sector.

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Speaker 27: And you know, we've got Local Government New Zealand currently

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Speaker 27: doing a pr campaign that's encouraging Simon Watts, the new

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Speaker 27: Minister of Local Government, to walk back on the on

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Speaker 27: the Prime Minister's commitments around rates caps and they say,

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Speaker 27: you know, trust us, trust us. You know there's no money,

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Speaker 27: there's no money, and then you see stories like this

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Speaker 27: and worse, the the hypocrites like Marhi Drysdale who say

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Speaker 27: they believe in user pays except when it applies to them,

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Speaker 27: apparently refusing to front. I just think that it's this

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Speaker 27: is exactly why the government needs to hold firm on

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Speaker 27: these rates caps and get local government back under control.

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Speaker 3: We have one minute, Jack, I really want to quickly

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Speaker 3: get to TAMOTHA Paul. Is she wrong in her criticisms

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Speaker 3: of police and those on the beach?

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Speaker 26: Yes, yes, yes, of course is a classic example of

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Speaker 26: politics in the bubble right. Like Timoth Paul speaking to

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Speaker 26: her die hard supporters, I bet they lapped up every word.

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Speaker 26: They would have absolutely loved it. But for all of

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Speaker 26: those voters out there who might one day be considering

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Speaker 26: voting for the Greens, they'll hear those comments and go,

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Speaker 26: you know what, These are totally devoid from reality. Maybe

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Speaker 26: for a tiny sliver of people they feel nervous seeing

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Speaker 26: police on the beat, but I think for the vast

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Speaker 26: majority of New Zealand, more police, more visible, makes them

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Speaker 26: feel more safe.

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Speaker 3: And the evidence for an evidence based party, they didn't

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Speaker 3: look very hard for the evidence because they would have

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Speaker 3: found that there was a five and a half percent

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Speaker 3: drop on the place and Wellington where the beats were

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Speaker 3: happening in Jordan, Yeah.

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Speaker 27: I mean these are not serious people. Are they to

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Speaker 27: suggest that police make people feel less safe? Look, as

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Speaker 27: we talked about a few weeks ago, the thing that

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Speaker 27: does make you feel least safe in Wellington, it's apparently

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Speaker 27: Green Empeas they go around abusing people. You know, I

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Speaker 27: that's or another one who does feel unsafe around the

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Speaker 27: police because she's getting arrested. I'm sorry for former Green Empea.

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Speaker 2: This is not various.

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Speaker 3: People, Jack Tame Jordan Williams on the huddle. Thanks guys.

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Speaker 3: Seven away from six News Talk s EDB.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 3: Five to six News Talks EDB. It's dry and Auckland

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Speaker 3: damn levels are down. So apparently at the moment sixty

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Speaker 3: one percent full. Normally at this time of year would

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Speaker 3: be at seventy five percent. What does all this mean? Well,

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Speaker 3: you could have water restrictions in the biggest city in

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Speaker 3: the country by May, which is way earlier than usual.

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Speaker 3: What is the problem, well it's dry. That means the

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Speaker 3: dams don't feel but it also means that we use

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Speaker 3: more water, and we're currently using four hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: million liters every day, so we might have to pull

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Speaker 3: back in May as a result of us using more.

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Speaker 3: Now just gone four minutes away from.

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Speaker 2: Six o'clock, Ryan Bread, Now.

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Speaker 3: Torpedo seven. We're going to talk about them after six

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Speaker 3: o'clock because they are closing two stores. They're converting the

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Speaker 3: majority of the remaining stores to what they're calling the outlet.

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Speaker 3: So the Torpedo seven brand will be gone from a

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Speaker 3: lot of stores, and the outlet to me, sounds a

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Speaker 3: little cheaper and it sounds like it will be for

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Speaker 3: your consumers as well. They have said in their release

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Speaker 3: Torpedo seven they'll be bringing quote even more value to customers.

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Speaker 3: So does that mean cheaper prices at the outlet, which

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Speaker 3: will be outside of those flagships, outside the cities where

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Speaker 3: those flagship Torpedo seven stores are. Help will talk to them,

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Speaker 3: the owners of Torpedo seven and the outlet after six

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Speaker 3: here on news talks.

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Speaker 9: He'd be.

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Speaker 1: and Mayor's Insurance and Investments grow your wealth, protect your

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Speaker 3: It is seven alfter six. Great to have your company tonight,

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Speaker 3: Tony Tips training with us. Shortly from the Herald, a

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Speaker 3: Milford update on the Katman Do owner K M D

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Speaker 3: gave Gavin Gavin Gray forgive me who's in the UK?

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Speaker 3: Maybe Gaven, I don't know. I have never asked. And

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Speaker 3: also before the end of the hour, we're going to

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Speaker 3: get to this idea of not absenteeism but presentism and

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Speaker 3: how much that could be costing you and your business.

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Speaker 3: It's all ahead on the Business hour seven after six.

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Speaker 3: Now the new owners Torpedo seven have announced their plans

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Speaker 3: for the remaining sixteen stores across the country. Tahua Group

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Speaker 3: have bought Torpedo seven off the Warehouse Group for a

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Speaker 3: dollar last year. You remember that the six marquee Torpedo

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Speaker 3: seven stores will remain open, which is good for you

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Speaker 3: to know that Westgate locations will shut. But the interesting

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Speaker 3: part is what's happening to the other ten stores they'll

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Speaker 3: rebrand is a new retail chain called The Outlet. Roger

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Speaker 3: Harper is the Tahua Group managing director. He's with me tonight.

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Speaker 3: Roger Good evening.

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Speaker 28: Hi Roan, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Tell it what is the what's the cell here without

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Speaker 3: let why the rebrand? What's going on?

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Speaker 28: Well, some time ago we saw what we thought was

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Speaker 28: a real gap in the market over here. Obviously we

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Speaker 28: actually not the new owners. We bought Torpedo seven a

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Speaker 28: year ago and you know we've been working to turn

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Speaker 28: that business around, but we'd also seen a gap in

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Speaker 28: the market that we thought there was for outlet shopping,

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Speaker 28: particularly in retail New Zealand. Now, if you think about

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Speaker 28: outlet shopping, everybody loves outlet shopping, opportunity for a treasure hunt,

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Speaker 28: to find a brand at a great price. And we

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Speaker 28: have outlet shopping in New Zealand. Think Dress Smart or

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Speaker 28: Manowa Bay that recently opened in Auckland. But what we're

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Speaker 28: trying to do and well, and outlet malls are massive

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Speaker 28: in Australia, off price retail massive overseas think TK and

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Speaker 28: TJ Max in the US and the UK. But we're

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Speaker 28: going to try and put it all into one store

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Speaker 28: and take it to provincial New Zealand and some main

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Speaker 28: centers as well. But you know, you can't stack an

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Speaker 28: outlet mall up in napier, but you can provide an

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Speaker 28: amazing store with great brands at great prices. So we

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Speaker 28: think there's a opportunity there.

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Speaker 3: What brands are we talking about and what how much

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Speaker 3: cheaper are we talking?

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Speaker 28: Well, you you name a brand, Ryan, and well where

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Speaker 28: where you know in the market. We'll be buying locally

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Speaker 28: and buying from offshore, and we're hopeful of buying all

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Speaker 28: the big brands and apparel and footwear in particular, but

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Speaker 28: sports home a number of categories. It's all about getting

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Speaker 28: getting great deals. And and when you're talking what's it

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Speaker 28: going to be in terms of price, we're saying it's

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Speaker 28: going to be you know, fifty to seventy thirty to

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Speaker 28: seventy percent of freetail.

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Speaker 3: I would say, okay, well this is I mean, if

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Speaker 3: you're listening in the regions, this will be very welcome news.

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Speaker 3: I would imagine what about the Torpedo seven stores that

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Speaker 3: you're keeping the flagship, the Marquee stores. You know, why

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Speaker 3: were you keen on picking up the brand and are

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Speaker 3: they still performing well? Obviously are and you're keeping them open.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, Look, we were really keen on the brand. We

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Speaker 28: love the category. New Zealand Outdoors who wants to not

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Speaker 28: to love about the New Zealand Outdoors And the brand

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Speaker 28: was well known and well loved. It obviously was having

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Speaker 28: a lot of problems with its previous owner, but we

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Speaker 28: love a good turnaround and we saw a real opportunity

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Speaker 28: there to turn this business around. And it has scale.

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Speaker 28: It was a significant size business, so I think it

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Speaker 28: when as previous owner had twenty four twenty five stores,

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Speaker 28: they actually closed a few and we're basically looking for

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Speaker 28: what is a sustainable model for that brand. It actually

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Speaker 28: started out over twenty years ago in Hamilton as a

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Speaker 28: pure online play and we think, you know, retail channels

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Speaker 28: have changed, but they haven't changed. We'd gone back to

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Speaker 28: being more online having hero stores. It should be a

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Speaker 28: great experience in the flagship stores. They'll be well stopped,

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Speaker 28: have great product, great deals. But online is going to

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Speaker 28: be a major part of it is a major part

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Speaker 28: of this business and it's probably going to be a

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Speaker 28: bigger part in the future. And the existing outlet stores

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Speaker 28: were still able to click and collect the product from

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Speaker 28: those stores.

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Speaker 3: Are we still are we still as into the outdoors

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Speaker 3: as we as we always have been. I'm just looking

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Speaker 3: at the Catman do result I mean a less than

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Speaker 3: stellar result from them today. Sort of sport outdoors.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, no, I think we are. We love the outdoors

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Speaker 28: and as I said Watson, not to love about the

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Speaker 28: New Zealand outdoors. I think what it's happened is it's

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Speaker 28: really gone through an unusual cycle because during the COVID period,

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Speaker 28: everybody went out and bought a bike or a tent,

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Speaker 28: or a stand up paddle board or that sort of thing.

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Speaker 28: So we had a massive binge over those COVID years

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Speaker 28: and the whole industry, including as you mentioned Katman do,

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Speaker 28: has suffered a bit of a hangover after that. I

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Speaker 28: think a lot of those business thought that it was

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Speaker 28: the new normal and when stopped up thinking that business

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Speaker 28: was going to carry on at that level, and it didn't.

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Speaker 3: But it'll come back.

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Speaker 28: It'll go through a cycle. As I say, you know,

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Speaker 28: people end up buying new tent, they'll end up buying

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Speaker 28: a bicycle, a snowboard. You know, these things will come

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Speaker 28: back again.

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Speaker 3: Roger, great to have you on the show. Appreciate your

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Speaker 3: time this evening. Roger Harper Tahua Group Managing Director. They

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Speaker 3: are the owners of Torpedo seven. I've announced some pretty

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Speaker 3: significant changes to the brand today, keeping the flagship stores,

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Speaker 3: the Hero stores as Roger called them, the six Marquee

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Speaker 3: stores and two will close and the remaining stores will

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Speaker 3: go to in the provinces, will go to outlet stores,

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Speaker 3: which I imagine will be very welcome news coming up

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Speaker 3: There are calls for the government to go further at

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Speaker 3: seventeen minutes after six in amending complex tax rules so

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Speaker 3: that they benefit every day key we investors as well

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Speaker 3: as wealthy foreigners. The government's trying to attract here. We

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Speaker 3: spoke about this a couple of weeks back. Jane Chips

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Speaker 3: Trainee is The Herald's Wellington Business editor, Wellington Business Editor

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Speaker 3: and she's with me tonight. Hi Jane, Hi, right, good

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Speaker 3: to have you back. So give us an idea of

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about here. Remind us it's the fifth

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Speaker 3: rules of Foreign Investment Fund rules. Who do they apply

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Speaker 3: to currently? What's the deal?

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Speaker 16: Right?

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Speaker 20: So currently they these tax rules are basically aimed at

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Speaker 20: incentivizing investment in New Zealand assets in the share market,

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Speaker 20: so on that it's a good sort of principle. A

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Speaker 20: quirk of the rules though, is that for is that

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Speaker 20: they treat investments that New Zealanders have offshore slightly differently

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Speaker 20: to the way they treat investments that you have locally. Now,

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Speaker 20: that's only for investments worth more than fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 20: So if you have more than fifty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 20: shares invested in the US or you know, other sorts

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Speaker 20: of investments, you fall under this tax regime, which is

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Speaker 20: different to the regime that you'd fall under if you

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Speaker 20: had shares invested in the New Zealand Stock Exchange, or

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Speaker 20: if you had shares invested through your key we Saber fund.

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Speaker 20: That's that's probably that's a pie fund. So that's a structure.

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Speaker 20: So Charez's, which is an investment platform, has raised the

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Speaker 20: point that actually this gets awfully complicated for people regular

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Speaker 20: kiwis who it's quite you know, you don't have to

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Speaker 20: be super wealthy to have more than fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 20: invested offshore. It gets super complicated at tax time because

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Speaker 20: you have to navigate potentially two different tax systems. You

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Speaker 20: have to figure out, firstly, do you have more than

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Speaker 20: fifty thousand dollars invested offshore in the sorts of assets

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Speaker 20: that fall under this regime, and then if yes, you

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Speaker 20: have to go through a few more hoops and hurdles

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Speaker 20: to satisfy the ID. So this has been a long

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Speaker 20: standing problem. The thing is is that that fifty thousand

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Speaker 20: dollars threshold hasn't been changed in more than twenty five years.

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Speaker 20: So back in the day when it was introduced, fifty

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Speaker 20: thousand dollars was a lot of money. It's still a lot,

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Speaker 20: but perhaps not quite as much as it used to be.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, so, do you think the government's actually going to

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Speaker 3: pick this up and change it because presumably it will

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Speaker 3: cost them something.

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Speaker 20: Well, yeah, that's the thing. So I took to Revenue

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Speaker 20: Minister Simon Watts yesterday and he said he was open

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Speaker 20: to changing that fifty thousand dollars threshold. Basically, it would

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Speaker 20: just ease the administrative burden on New Zealand investors. It

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Speaker 20: would mean that you know, you don't have to go

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Speaker 20: through your investments and figure out well, what falls under

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Speaker 20: this regime and what falls under that regime, and you know,

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Speaker 20: you could set it at a higher level and still

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Speaker 20: incentivize domestic investment or investment through pithon. So that's a

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Speaker 20: certain type of structure. You can still invest in off

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Speaker 20: short assets, but if you do it through the certain

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Speaker 20: pithon structure, then that's fine. Now, the reason this has

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Speaker 20: all come up in the news is because Simon Watts

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Speaker 20: earlier this month said that he planned to make changes

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Speaker 20: to these rus but only in a way that benefited

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Speaker 20: foreigners and not in a way that benefits you and

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Speaker 20: I or regular New Zealanders. So I guess the fact

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Speaker 20: that he is looking at these rules in the context

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Speaker 20: of attracting wealthy New Zealanders to New Zealand means that,

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Speaker 20: you know, it is putting the issue on the agenda,

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Speaker 20: and it is putting it on the table. I think

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Speaker 20: it also sort of fits into the broader thing that

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Speaker 20: the government's trying to do in terms of encouraging people

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Speaker 20: to save and invest for their retirements. A lot of

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Speaker 20: young people might get to retirement without owning a home,

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Speaker 20: so you know the investments that they have in shares

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Speaker 20: are probably increasingly important for their well beings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating stuff. Hopefully the foreigners and the exemption there

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Speaker 3: will have opened the door for the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: Jane Tips Trainey, the Herald Wellington Business editor, with US

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Speaker 3: twenty two minutes after six. Carol has chexted in the

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Speaker 3: show about I just mentioned earlier that we've got a well,

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Speaker 3: it's dry Auckland. We're at sixty one percent of capacity

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Speaker 3: in the dams when it's normally as seventy five percent.

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Speaker 3: Carol says evening. We farm in the North Waikato, also

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Speaker 3: very dry here. Our house is on tank water. We

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Speaker 3: have been careful with our water for the last two months.

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Speaker 3: Definitely not taking rain in the summer is a given.

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Speaker 3: Fortunately we've got two excellent balls on our supply. They

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Speaker 3: stock are currently adding silas now though as it's too

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Speaker 3: dry to grow much grass. Thought you might enjoy a

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Speaker 3: real prospective A country perspective enjoy your show. Regards. Carol

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Speaker 3: carried you so I did very much. Thank you. And

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Speaker 3: also I do think there's a weird you know, we

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Speaker 3: might be having restrictions on water in May. I do

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Speaker 3: think there's something weird that we don't have them now.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they know we're going to need them later

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Speaker 3: and while it's dry and people are kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: aware of that. I mean, once it starts raining, you

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Speaker 3: feel like, why do you need to save water? You know,

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Speaker 3: Carol's got it. She's already saving water. She's been saving

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Speaker 3: water all summer. Twenty three minutes after Sex News Talks B.

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Speaker 3: a look at the markets now. Jeremy hasn't from Milford

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Speaker 3: Asset Management with me. Jeremy, Good evening evening, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: good to have you back. KMD Brands released their half

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Speaker 3: year financial results today. Stock has had a torrid few weeks.

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Speaker 3: What are investors buying into here?

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Speaker 29: Yeah, KMD brands had their numbers out today and just

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Speaker 29: remember that this is looking back six months into the

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Speaker 29: last half of twenty twenty four, but it is over

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Speaker 29: the very important Christmas and New Year spend period for retailers.

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Speaker 29: And will also a quick reminder on the brands in KMD.

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Speaker 29: So the very well known Catman Do a power brand,

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Speaker 29: and then it's also got Ripkel, which is a very

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Speaker 29: important surf brand as well. But you're right, the business

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Speaker 29: has had a torrid time, particularly over the past few years.

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Speaker 29: The share price is down seventy seven percent since the

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Speaker 29: peak in November twenty twenty one, and that's largely been

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Speaker 29: tracking sales down and profits down across all their brands.

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Speaker 29: So investors here are really backing a cyclical retail recovery story,

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Speaker 29: but it will take a few years to come to

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Speaker 29: a fruition.

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Speaker 3: But finally, I guess some sales improvements that would make

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Speaker 3: some retailers pretty happy.

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Speaker 29: Yeah, importantly in the update today, they always provide some

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Speaker 29: directional trends in sales and they have been improving. And

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Speaker 29: then finally in the last quarter of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 29: both the important brands Catmen Do and rip Curl reported

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01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,600
Speaker 29: positive sales growth again versus the Pride period and this

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01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 29: was the first time that we'd seen positive sales growth

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Speaker 29: in over two years. So really good to see and

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Speaker 29: perhaps the start of the turnaround story for KMD brands.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hope. So Jeremy, thank you very much for

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Speaker 3: that up there. I appreciate your time. Jeremy hatton Milford

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Speaker 3: Hasset Management and update there on km D brand so

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Speaker 3: which remember owns Catmandu and the likes of rip curl.

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Speaker 3: Twenty seven after six News Talks EDB forget absenteeism? Is

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01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 3: presenteeism costing you and your business money? If so, how much?

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01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 3: And can you prove the amount? Google Subtle and I'm

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Speaker 3: looking at you. He's the psychologist who's come up with

1530
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: this number for us. He's on the show after the

1531
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 3: News at half six, and then we're in the UK

1532
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 3: with Gavin Gray. It's all ahead.

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01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Ryan Ridge and Mars Insurance and investments,

1535
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,839
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future.

1536
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB will never have fall.

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01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 3: Well, we're never twenty four minutes away from seven News

1538
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 3: Talk SEB. We'll get to Gavin Graham in the UK

1539
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 3: before top of the the prison striker is over for

1540
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 3: Dean Wickliffe. This is the notorious criminal New s Ouland,

1541
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 3: criminal who's been on a hunger strike for what is

1542
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 3: it now, in more than two weeks. He's seventy seven.

1543
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 3: He's out of jail. He's been released from prison effective immediately.

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01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 3: He appeared before the parole boards this afternoon and the

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01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 3: board said, because remember the reason he was recalled to

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01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 3: prison in the first place is and he's in and

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01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: out of prison his whole life essentially, But he was

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Speaker 3: recalled to prison in the first place because he breached

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Speaker 3: parole because he was not living at the address that

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 3: he was paroled too. He was living in his car

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01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 3: on March the fifth. So the Parole Board has seen

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01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 3: him this afternoon. They have determined that that was the

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01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:59,440
Speaker 3: right decision, but they have also exercised their quote discretion

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01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: to order his release. The board considered mister Wickcliff's accommodation

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01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 3: and support proposal adequately addressed the risk. So he's out

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01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 3: and presumably enjoying a meal twenty three minutes away from seven.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: This story from HSBC, and it's worth paying attention to

1559
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 3: HSBC because not only are they one of the top

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01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: ten banks in the world, but they are also the

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Speaker 3: top bank for funding trade. Sir Mark Taylor, sorry, Sir

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Speaker 3: Mark Tucker is the chair of HSBC. He's given a

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Speaker 3: speech at the investment summit in Hong Kong that the

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Speaker 3: HSP has been holding, and he says some really interesting stuff.

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Speaker 3: He says globalization may have run its course. Big call

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01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 3: to make, I know, But he says, you add tariffs

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01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: and geopolitical tensions together and you get basically separation of

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Speaker 3: the world. To quote him. As we consider present developments,

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Speaker 3: we believe that globalization as we know it may now

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Speaker 3: have run its core economic considerations. Guiding optimally efficient supply

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01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 3: chains led to one of the world's greatest periods of

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Speaker 3: wealth creation. We have ever seen the balance of economic

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Speaker 3: power changed as a result, and what used to be

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Speaker 3: sustainable no longer is. He says. Now smaller blocks will emerge,

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01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: Smaller trading blocks, political groupings, and trade blocks is what

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Speaker 3: he calls them, as opposed to what we've been enjoying

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01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 3: for the last few decades. Globalization twenty two to seven

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Speaker 3: Bridge looks like you're not doing your boss any favor.

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01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 3: By going to work while you're unwell. Umbrella Wellbeing Reckons.

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01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 3: Businesses are losing billions of dollars a year due to

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Speaker 3: workers pushing through while they're physically or mentally unwell. Umbrella

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Speaker 3: principal psychologist doctor Dourgal Sutherland is with me Hi Dogle.

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01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 3: How are you good, evening, Ryan?

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Speaker 29: I'm well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you on the show. So you're calling

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Speaker 3: this presenteeism as opposed to absenteeism, what is it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, absenteeism is where people are absent from the

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01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 5: workplace because they're sick, easy to count noticeable. Presenteeism is

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Speaker 5: when people are physically present in the workplace but they

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Speaker 5: are not performing at their full level of productivity. And

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 5: we would say that that's at least a third or

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01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 5: more decline in productivity. So you're sitting at your desk,

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01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 5: but you're really mentally kind of not fully there, so

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01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 5: you're not able to work to your full capacity. And

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01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 5: we think it's a very hidden cost for employers because

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01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 5: it's very hard to count. But as you say that,

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01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 5: you know, an estimate is that it's costing over forty

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Speaker 5: billion dollars in lost productivity every year to new Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Where's that estimate come from.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's it's based on some averages. So people saying, look,

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Speaker 5: thirty if we go on the idea that thirty three

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Speaker 5: percent less productivity, and that average is out at about

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01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 5: two thousand dollars per worker in lost productivity per month.

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01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 5: So this is people saying that I lose about six

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01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 5: days per month, and then if you average that out

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01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 5: across the entire population. So look, it's a big estimate.

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01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 5: And we're wanting to spark a conversation about this because

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 5: there's not a lot of good research around us. So

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Speaker 5: it's a first attempt at trying to get some numbers

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01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 5: on this particular phenomena. We know this phenomena occurs, there's

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01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 5: lots of research internationally that shows it, and so we're

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01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 5: trying to somehow put some figures on this.

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01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, let's put the physical ailments to a

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Speaker 3: side for a second, just talk focus on the psychological

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01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Are you not better off being at work? I mean

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01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 3: even if you're not from and this is from the

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01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 3: individual's perspective, not the companies, but are you not better

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01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 3: off being at work if you're feeling down depressed? Maybe

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01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent. Are you not better off being

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Speaker 3: around people rather than ourt home moping?

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Speaker 5: There is certainly an argument, and we were sort of

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Speaker 5: distinguished between different types of presenteeism. So there are types

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01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 5: of presenteeism when yes, it's probably useful for you to

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01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 5: be at work. But I think the key thing is

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01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 5: acknowledging that that's actually going on. The big cost here

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01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 5: is when it's hidden, when the manager, the boss, the

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01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 5: organization doesn't know it's happening, and the person is there

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01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 5: pretending almost to work, and then the organization scratching it

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01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 5: to here, going, gee, why aren't we as productive as

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01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 5: we usually are? We already know that New Zealand is

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01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,600
Speaker 5: one of the least productive countries in the OECD, and

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01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 5: we scratch our heads, going.

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01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 7: I wonder why that is?

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01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 5: Because we work longer hours in many other countries in

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01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 5: the OECD. And maybe this is part of it, that

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01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 5: actually we're working longer but not doing a heck of

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01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 5: a lot.

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01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 3: May what's the I guess, what's the alternative for the

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01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,679
Speaker 3: for the manager or the business owner, you know, having

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01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,880
Speaker 3: that person not be at work, which would which would

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01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 3: be even less productive? Well, you know, well, how many

1642
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 3: days I mean six days. You mentioned six days per month.

1643
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of time off.

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01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 5: So it's about how we structure that work. I heard

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01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 5: somebody today say, hey, I do this all the time

1646
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 5: because I'm the only person in my job or in

1647
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,760
Speaker 5: my organization that can do my particular job, so I

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01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 5: have to work well. That smacks to me of a

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01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 5: job that isn't well designed because there's no redundancy. There's

1650
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 5: no backup in that job. So you're relying on one

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01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 5: single person. Now that person is there and you think, oh,

1652
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 5: we must be doing well. Actually they could be functioning

1653
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 5: at thirty three percent less or even worse in their productivity.

1654
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 5: So organizations and businesses need to look at we're kind

1655
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 5: of fooling ourselves. We think that because somebody is physically

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01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 5: present in the workplace, they must be working. And I

1657
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 5: think that's why we've seeing this as a hidden cost,

1658
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 5: because because we look we just look at the fact

1659
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 5: that somebody is sitting there or standing there in their job,

1660
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 5: and we think, therefore they must be producing. We think

1661
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 5: it's possibly cheaper if you're actually having some built in

1662
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:15,640
Speaker 5: redundancies into your workplace.

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01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 3: Interesting. Doctor Dougal Sutherland Umbrella principal psychologists. Really appreciate your

1664
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 3: time this evening, seventeen minutes away from seven. I guess

1665
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 3: there's some jobs and you've got a job where you

1666
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 3: cannot mark around. You know, you we would know very

1667
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 3: quickly if you were not here one hundred percent of

1668
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 3: the time, you know, I mean, if your if your

1669
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 3: mind was not one hundred percent go because you sorry, Roan,

1670
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 3: were you talking to me exactly exactly, we would it

1671
01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 3: would become very apparent very quick.

1672
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 25: Anyone who listens to the show will know that we

1674
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 25: definitely never ever hear a sting played in the wrong

1675
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 25: place because I've never made a mistake. How many years

1676
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 25: have I've been working on the show and not once?

1677
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Had not often? Though not often? Thanks. I appreciate you know,

1678
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 3: it should happen more often, I think, because you're only human,

1679
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 3: aren't you at the end of the day. But there

1680
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 3: are some jobs and people are texting in, you know,

1681
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 3: like council. If you're on the council or you work

1682
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: for the council, you can probably mark around. Who would

1683
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 3: really know that people work here? I don't.

1684
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 25: Actually, I can probably contribute to this conversation in a

1685
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 25: helpful way. Ryan and when during the pandemic, when I

1686
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 25: did have to isolate at home for a little bit

1687
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 25: with COVID nineteen, obviously couldn't do this job because I

1688
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 25: have a physical desk in front of me that I

1689
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 25: need to touch to do it. But I was able

1690
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 25: to transfer to one of the other roles here that

1691
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 25: involves ringing people in organizing interviews. So it was harder

1692
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 25: to do that job from home when I didn't have

1693
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 25: all the resources I do in the office, but I

1694
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 25: did still have a cell phone and a laptop, so

1695
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 25: I could still do that. So there are some jobs that, yeah,

1696
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,080
Speaker 25: you're right, you probably could do from home if you're sick,

1697
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:42,759
Speaker 25: and maybe.

1698
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 3: Not as productive. But that job, so that you're talking

1699
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 3: about a producer, which is what Laura does, Laura who

1700
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:52,840
Speaker 3: does not speak, that job, that job you could fudge,

1701
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 3: you know that that job you can.

1702
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,800
Speaker 25: And to Doogle's point as well, I definitely wasn't a

1703
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 25: job I don't usually do, so there's no way I

1704
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 25: would have been as.

1705
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 3: So I guess the question for you at Heimers, what's

1706
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 3: the job that you I mean, what job do you

1707
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 3: have if you're one of these people who fudges your

1708
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 3: way through life. You know, and you're you're six days

1709
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 3: per month, you're basically checked out your heads in vacation mode.

1710
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 3: What job is doing and please don't say bus driver?

1711
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:22,599
Speaker 1: Accord to seven croaging the numbers and getting the results.

1712
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: It's Ryan Bridge with the Business hour and mass insurance

1713
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: and investments.

1714
01:32:28,200 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: Grew your wealth, Protect your future. News Talks EDB.

1715
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 3: Twelve minutes away from seven News Talks ZB. We'll get

1716
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 3: to your texts, some very funny ones on what you

1717
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 3: can basically call in for a job in New Zealand.

1718
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 3: Right now we're going to the UK. Kevin Grays with Uskevin,

1719
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 3: good evening to you, Good evening. Run Now you've got

1720
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 3: an update on the Heathrow airport fire. What was it

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Speaker 3: suspicious or not? No, please say it wasn't.

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Speaker 30: The fire broke out on Friday and resulted in the

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Speaker 30: closure of Heathrow, up Europe's busiest airport, an estimated quarter

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Speaker 30: of a million people affected and sixty three thousand homes

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Speaker 30: lost power in an outage caused by a far at

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Speaker 30: a nearby electricity station or substation. We have since been

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Speaker 30: told that actually Heathrow could have received its power from

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Speaker 30: two other substations, but chose to shut down because it

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Speaker 30: would take too long to close all the systems down

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Speaker 30: and reboot them. So lots of people saying, well, hang

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Speaker 30: on a minute, that's the whole point of a shutdown.

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Speaker 30: And if you can't have a backup system without actually

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Speaker 30: having to shut the whole thing down, then what's the point.

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Speaker 30: This has been a big, big concern lots of the

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Speaker 30: two investigations launched, one by the government and one by

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Speaker 30: Heathrow Airport itself to answer some of these questions and

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Speaker 30: about resilience of the major transport hub in question, and

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Speaker 30: plenty of people not keen on Heathrow's response with such

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Speaker 30: huge effects on people around the world.

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Speaker 24: But yet the.

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Speaker 30: Police now said no suspicious circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting given the racial reason. A spring statement to

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Speaker 3: the House of Commons. We're all looking forward to this

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Speaker 3: because it's sort of like what is she going to cut?

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Speaker 3: How deep is she going to go? It will include

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Speaker 3: school lunches, what's on them menu?

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Speaker 30: Yeah, and in nearly seven hours time or a little

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Speaker 30: under seven hours time now we will find out.

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Speaker 3: But it's not looking good.

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Speaker 30: So there's a combination here of low economic growth and

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Speaker 30: higher interest rates on government borrowing and that's really been

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Speaker 30: dealing a blow to the plans that had been made

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Speaker 30: to the government because they're to their forecasts have been

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Speaker 30: way too optimistic round about the state of the economy,

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Speaker 30: and the government has set its non negotiable rules on

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Speaker 30: borrowing and debt. This is they are not going to

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Speaker 30: borrow to fund day to day public spending and to

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Speaker 30: get government debt falling as a share of national income

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Speaker 30: by the end of the parliament. If anything, though, that's

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Speaker 30: going the wrong way, and so we believe there could

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Speaker 30: be more welfare cuts announced a little later. Already she's

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Speaker 30: announced about twelve billion New Zealand dollars worth of cuts

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Speaker 30: to welfare. She's also announced a fifteen percent cuts to

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Speaker 30: civil servants, so there'll be massive amount of redundancies coming there.

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Speaker 30: But the forecasts were that the economy we'd grow by

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Speaker 30: two percent this year one point eight percent next year.

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Speaker 30: The Bank of England says it's going to be nearer

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Speaker 30: to one percent, and that means the little riggle room

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Speaker 30: that she'd left herself in her early calculations has completely

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Speaker 30: gone and so there is now going to have to

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Speaker 30: be some massive changes that will result. Really I think

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Speaker 30: in some problems for her. The government had pledged no

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Speaker 30: increase to personal taxes, but now I think we're in

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Speaker 30: a state where we may well.

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Speaker 2: See a reversal of that.

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Speaker 30: Maybe not this time around, but maybe there'd be a

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Speaker 30: hint of it in this speech about what happens next

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Speaker 30: time around in the autumn budget in about six months time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, nice one. Givin, thank you very much for that.

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Speaker 3: Givin Gray, a UK correspondent with US nine minutes away

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Speaker 3: from seven. You're on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Six away from seven. Thanks for all your texts on

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01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 3: the absentearism presentearism thing. Ryan, I'm a fast food regional manager.

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Speaker 3: I basically said, what is your job? If you do

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Speaker 3: a job and you call, you know, you turn up

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01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 3: and you're only sixty seventy percent there mentally and you

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Speaker 3: can get away with that. Someone said, fast food regional manager,

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Speaker 3: that's my job, Ryan, What poppycork? This poppycock? Rather, this

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Speaker 3: study is a less productive day is way more profitable

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Speaker 3: than an absent worker who doesn't turn up at all.

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Speaker 3: We are dentists. You wouldn't want an absent minded dentist,

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Speaker 3: would You're pulling out the wrong too, that's the last

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Speaker 3: thing you.

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Speaker 25: Want to please Please keep concentrating, Yeah, at one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: As much a one hundred percent, I guess with a dentist,

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Speaker 3: you can probably chan you know, between patience, you can

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Speaker 3: tune out. But when you're actually like.

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Speaker 25: Once you've got the tooth out right, yeah, then you

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Speaker 25: can kind of relax for a moment exactly just while

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Speaker 25: you're you know, messing around inside the mouth.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be quite you know, onto it on

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Speaker 3: the ball.

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Speaker 25: It's like it's like or you know, at one of

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Speaker 25: the army's bomb disposal technicians, like while they're actively working

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Speaker 25: on a bomb, I would hope that they're thinking about

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Speaker 25: it quite hard.

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Speaker 3: See, that's the that's almost the extra version.

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Speaker 25: Once you've given up and you're running away from the bomb,

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Speaker 25: then you know you can go with the theory.

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Speaker 3: But they see their level of concentration would have to

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Speaker 3: be one thousand percent for ten percent of their career,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because they're not going to

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Speaker 3: dispose of that many bombs unless they're in I suppose

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Speaker 3: in a war zone that in their in their career.

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Speaker 3: Someone says, rying coffees and toad on her. What have

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Speaker 3: we going out to tonight?

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Speaker 25: That the chain by Fleetwood Mac. Two players out tonight.

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Speaker 25: I've sort of got some Fleetwood Mac news. So the

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Speaker 25: longtime guitarist of the band Lindsay bucking him, or at

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Speaker 25: least he was until he was, as he basically has implied,

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Speaker 25: booted out. In twenty eighteen, he has been seen in

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Speaker 25: the recording studio with Mcfleetwood, who was still very much

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Speaker 25: with Fleetwood Mac. So yeah, the two of them have

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Speaker 25: been seen in a recording studio by a Swedish producer

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Speaker 25: who took some photos and said, hey, it's very nice

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01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,799
Speaker 25: to see these two working together again. So lovely something

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Speaker 25: maybe on the horizon.

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Speaker 3: Nice one, Nance, Thanks for all your feedback everyone, great day.

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Speaker 9: Will see tomorrow

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