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Speaker 2: News Talks at b.

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Speaker 3: Night.

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Speaker 4: Your weekend off the right way.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with jackdam News Talks at BYRD.

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Speaker 2: And New Zealand. Good morning and welcome to Newstalk's EDB.

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame with you through the midday today. Good news

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Speaker 2: just come through on the Tame Family Chat this morning.

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Speaker 2: A sense of relief on the Tame Family Chat. So

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Speaker 2: mum and Dad were in Hockey Ticket on the South

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Speaker 2: Island's West coast. They were there for a couple of

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Speaker 2: days this week and they had to drive back on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: But of course the weather was packing and so they thought,

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Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to leave late on Wednesday. Instead,

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Speaker 2: they started driving Wednesday evening from Hockey Ticker back up

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Speaker 2: to Nelson and then to Golden Bay. The weather moved

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Speaker 2: faster than they were unfortunately, so by the time they

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Speaker 2: got to Murchison State Highway six had been closed. They thought, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: this will take twenty four hours, maybe maybe twelve. Who knows.

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Speaker 2: The road crews work pretty quickly, and that part of

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Speaker 2: the country turns out took a whole lot longer than

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Speaker 2: they had expected. Three nights they spent stranded in Murchison

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Speaker 2: and look, Murchison is a great place, got some fascinating history,

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Speaker 2: some beautiful landscapes around there. But I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: to say that after three nights Mum and Dad were

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Speaker 2: keen to hit the road. So the good news on

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Speaker 2: the family chat this morning as I can confirm va

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Speaker 2: Mum and Dad that State Highway six between Murchison and

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Speaker 2: Nelson is officially open. They've managed to make it through

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Speaker 2: this morning, and I think feeling pretty relieved about that.

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Speaker 2: If you're in Southland Kui Colda today, we're going to

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Speaker 2: make sure we keep you up to speed with all

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Speaker 2: the updates from the various authorities as everyone continues to

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Speaker 2: feel the effects of that crazy weather this week. We've

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Speaker 2: got a busy show this morning, so our feature interview

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Speaker 2: after ten o'clock is John Boyeger. John starred as Finn

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Speaker 2: in Star Wars The Force Awakens, and he's a bit

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Speaker 2: of an interesting figure because having starred in Star Wars,

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Speaker 2: he then spoke out in a way against the franchise.

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Speaker 2: I'm to tell you a bit more about that before ten.

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Speaker 2: He'll be with us right after ten o'clock this morning

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Speaker 2: as well as that we're focusing on another star on screen,

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Speaker 2: namely Bruce Springsteen. The new Springsteen film has just been released,

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Speaker 2: so our film reviewer has been to see Deliver Me

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Speaker 2: from Nowhere. She's going to give us her thoughts on

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Speaker 2: that biopic very shortly. Right now, it's nine minutes past nine.

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Speaker 4: Team.

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Speaker 2: It was such a rookie mistake. I was tramping in

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Speaker 2: the Kahoudangi last summer, the Douglas Range, one thousand or

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Speaker 2: maybe twelve hundred meters above sea level. And after we'd

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Speaker 2: surrounding hills cast their shadows long and deep, I realized

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Speaker 2: that I had screwed up big time. What made the

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Speaker 2: of absent minded forgetfulness on my part. I had carefully

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Speaker 2: considered my options before loading my pack. It wasn't that

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Speaker 2: I'd forgotten to bring long John's or pants. It's that

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Speaker 2: I'd chosen not to pack them. Up top, I had

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Speaker 2: a polyprop jumper and jacket, but down bottom I had

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Speaker 2: keep sand flies from biting is to keep moving, and

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Speaker 2: to wallow in my own stupidity. I ended up treading

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Speaker 2: a middle ground, moving just enough so as not to rest,

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Speaker 2: but not enough to stop this sand flies from completely

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Speaker 2: devouring my calves. Still, I have had worse experiences with them.

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Speaker 2: Heathy River, where the swarms of sandflies were so thick

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Speaker 2: they hung in the skies like pockets of buzzing black smoke.

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Speaker 2: Walking by, you had to make sure to close your

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Speaker 2: would still take a sand fly over a biting gnat.

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Speaker 2: I once chose to visit one of Utah's national parks

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Speaker 2: is one place on Earth you could still safely wear shorts. Sure,

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Speaker 2: you might be a bit nippy striding down the streets

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Speaker 2: That was at least until this week. Scientists have confirmed

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Speaker 2: that for the first time, the world's deadliest creature has

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Speaker 2: reached the last country on Earth. Iceland officially has mosquitoes,

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Speaker 2: and while sure Iceland is not the Amazon, they're not

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Speaker 2: at risk of a dingy fever outbreak anytime soon. You

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Speaker 2: can still safely leave the deat at home. The truth

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Speaker 2: is the discovery probably represents more than just an ecological quirk.

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Speaker 2: At an individual level, sure is a potential nuisance, especially

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Speaker 2: for those of us who like wearing shorts. But what

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Speaker 2: confirming mosquitoes and Iceland says about the state of the

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Speaker 2: planet is probably far, far more serious. Jack Team ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Ninety two is the text number if you want to

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Speaker 2: send us a text message. This morning, Jacket Newstalk saidb

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Speaker 2: dot co dot Nz if you're looking for a delicious

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Speaker 2: little number for a long weekend dinner before ten o'clock

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Speaker 2: this morning, our cook is in with a recipe for

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Speaker 2: chicken with roasted grapes, which sounds fantastic. Kevin Melon's going

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Speaker 2: to kick us off for our Saturday together next right now,

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Speaker 2: it's thirteen minutes past nine. I'm Jack Tame, It's Saturday morning,

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Speaker 2: and this is news Dog's he'd be.

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Speaker 1: Why no been a way to kick off your weekend?

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team news Talk said, be.

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Speaker 2: Aaron has flicking you noticed he so often does on

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Speaker 2: Saturday mornings, to say Jack, sand flies give up after

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Speaker 2: a day or two. Mosquitoes are way more annoying in

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Speaker 2: my view. The different, hey, because the sand flies are

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Speaker 2: like the sand flies kind of hang around and swarms

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Speaker 2: and stuff. But you're totally right, Like you never hear

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Speaker 2: West Coasters moaning about sand flies. There's, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 2: after a day or two you've kind of acclimatized, and

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Speaker 2: then they get sick of eating you. The thing about

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Speaker 2: samd fly's too, is that then they don't get you

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Speaker 2: at two o'clock in the morning. That's the thing that

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Speaker 2: kills me most about your mosquito, Like at two o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning and you just you know you're not

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Speaker 2: going to sleep. Christine says Jack. Your parents should have

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Speaker 2: stayed in hockey ticket lovely day here on Friday. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they should have, Christina. I think they learned that the

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Speaker 2: hard way. Ben says Jack. We lost power for two days.

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Speaker 2: Just goes to show how having a generator is an

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Speaker 2: absolutely essential piece of life these days. It's not a

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Speaker 2: want but a need. I'm shocked how many people weren't

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Speaker 2: prepared for this. Thanks Ben ninety two. If you want

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Speaker 2: to send us some message, if you are going to

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Speaker 2: Right now, it is seventeen minutes past nine on news Talks,

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Speaker 2: he'd been Kevin Millon is here with us this morning, caller, Kevin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, curly, it's interesting that your parents got stranded in

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Speaker 5: Machison because our whole family, or when I sell our

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Speaker 5: whole family, Mum, dad and one of the kids got

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Speaker 5: a rock the side of a car landed down on

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Speaker 5: the highway and they closed the highway because they felt

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Speaker 5: that it was unsafe.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there was.

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Speaker 5: A lot of discussion about whether Matchison was a great

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Speaker 6: Well, I thought it was quite good.

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Speaker 2: So hang on, did your family get stuck in Murchison

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Speaker 2: as well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this week we got we got No, not this week, No, no,

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Speaker 5: this is about three years ago.

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Speaker 2: That's good. It's so funny because basis with my family.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they're c only so many people

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I bet they were saying in the same motel,

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Speaker 5: and they probably ate at the same tiny restaurant. Yes,

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Speaker 5: which we found very very satisfying, very satisfactory.

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Speaker 2: I stayed The last time I stayed at Murchison was

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Speaker 2: Old Ghost Road and I went and had a couple

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Speaker 2: of jars down at the local pub, and I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what it was, talk about character and talk about characters.

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Speaker 2: I mean the pub happily near character characters were hanging

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Speaker 2: out there. But one thing I remember to is they

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Speaker 2: still had the PowerShell astrays, which I just turning about

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Speaker 5: Hope you didn't steal any No.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I didn't know. It was very disciplined, but yeah, no.

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Speaker 5: Anyways, a very good motel there, like quite a new

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Speaker 5: one and large and very very cool. And that's the

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Speaker 5: main thing. You've got somewhere decent, you've got a decent bed,

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Speaker 5: you get stuck there. Yes, and I think we went

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Speaker 5: to a tiny little restaurant and the poor guy was

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Speaker 4: But it was beautiful, beautiful meal.

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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a beautiful part of the country

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Speaker 2: as well. You know. The thing I always think about

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Speaker 2: Murchison and this is a little bit, a little bit bleak,

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Speaker 2: but do you know back it would have been probably

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Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty years ago, there

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Speaker 2: was a local farmer who was really unhappy and so

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Speaker 2: he went and strapped some dynamite to himself and detonated

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Speaker 2: himself at the local court. Like it was. But it

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Speaker 2: was actually dare I say it is rather a grim

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Speaker 2: world first, but quite an extraordinary like yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think they call it the Murchison Incident or the

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Speaker 2: Murchison tragedy or something like that. But yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: this really sort of quirky and quite macab piece of

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Speaker 2: New Zealand history.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, anyway, everybody from the south will will remember

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Speaker 5: the earthquake, even if you lived in.

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Speaker 2: Greater Absolutely, yeah, of course it has been. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: suppose it's just a part of the country where all

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Speaker 2: sorts of interesting historical little things.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Kevin, you've got a story for us this morning

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Speaker 2: about a visit to the dentist.

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Speaker 5: Well, a very funny thing happened to me during the

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Speaker 5: wheat act. It all started a few weeks ago when

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Speaker 5: one of my wisdom teeth got a bit wobbly and

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Speaker 5: I decided it probably needed to come out, so I

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Speaker 5: went to the dentist. I have issues with dental extractions

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Speaker 5: because I'm on blood thinners, so I have to manage

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Speaker 5: my meds leading up to an extraction so I don't

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Speaker 5: bleed too much when the tooth pulled out. But dentists

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Speaker 5: agreed that my wisdom teeth tooth should come out. But

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Speaker 5: she didn't want to be doing it herself. She pointed

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Speaker 5: out that, apart from the blood thinners, the steroids that

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Speaker 5: I'm also depended on can occasionally react to other drugs

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Speaker 5: used in dentistry. Anyway, she said she'd refer me on

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Speaker 5: to an oral surgeon in Wellington who'd be better qualified

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Speaker 2: 'd be back. In twenty sixteen, I had the great

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Speaker 2: pleasure and privilege of going to see Bruce Springsteen perform

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Speaker 10: I'd love to go and see Springsteen in New Jersey.

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Speaker 6: That would be one of it.

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Speaker 2: Two and a half hours, depauls like this really has

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Speaker 10: Maybe maybe he gets it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he gets a cut of the food and beverage.

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Speaker 6: So true, long year obviously the more you spend.

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Speaker 10: Now my understanding is that actor didn't sing or doesn't sing,

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Speaker 10: I've seen enough snippets and you know how I've done

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Speaker 2: He's a I mean, he's a he's a bit of

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Speaker 10: Speaking of baby, we were born to run Otago versus

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Speaker 10: I think my head, my head goes with Canterbury because

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Speaker 10: Look, I think the bottom line is Jack if he

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Speaker 4: Been found out. Will it improved in the future, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. I enjoy the game this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a busy afternoon because you've got AFC

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Speaker 2: So she's going to share that with us very so.

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Speaker 2: Next up, though we've got your film picks for this weekend,

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Speaker 2: including our film reviewers. Thoughts on Springsteen. Right now, it's

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Speaker 12: Start, well, is there anyone here from a small town?

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't be so for seasons. It's a classic. It's

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Speaker 2: She's here with us this morning.

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Speaker 12: Killed her.

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Speaker 13: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I've been saying things that are going to get me

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Speaker 2: So this is Springsteen Deliver Me from Nowhere.

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Speaker 4: She's what I want you to understand. This is not

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Speaker 3: This is about Bruce Springsteen, and these are the songs

432
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Speaker 3: that he wants to work on right now.

433
00:23:05,013 --> 00:23:12,053
Speaker 2: So the latest and a bit of a line of

434
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Speaker 2: musical biopics.

435
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's just thing. You should say that. Actually, because

436
00:23:16,773 --> 00:23:18,773
Speaker 14: there wasn't a screening for this film, there was no

437
00:23:18,773 --> 00:23:21,333
Speaker 14: press screening, which is always a little concerning. So on

438
00:23:21,413 --> 00:23:24,013
Speaker 14: Thursday afternoon, I popped up to my local belido and

439
00:23:24,213 --> 00:23:26,133
Speaker 14: I snuck in the wind and watched this film. And

440
00:23:26,173 --> 00:23:27,933
Speaker 14: as I was going in, I was texting my son

441
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Speaker 14: and he said, I said I was going to see

442
00:23:29,733 --> 00:23:31,653
Speaker 14: this film, and he text me back to say, can't

443
00:23:31,693 --> 00:23:34,573
Speaker 14: wait to hear about the inevitable three star review. All

444
00:23:34,653 --> 00:23:39,213
Speaker 14: music biopics deserve a little bit cheeky of him. Yeah,

445
00:23:39,693 --> 00:23:41,093
Speaker 14: but actually he hit the nail on the head.

446
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Speaker 6: You're right, Jack.

447
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Speaker 14: We have a lot of these films and they generally

448
00:23:43,653 --> 00:23:46,333
Speaker 14: do follow the same narrative beat. You have an artist

449
00:23:46,373 --> 00:23:48,573
Speaker 14: overcoming odds and making it. Then there's the dealing with

450
00:23:48,613 --> 00:23:51,333
Speaker 14: the price of fame and losing one thousand. These films

451
00:23:51,373 --> 00:23:54,333
Speaker 14: do have sort of a very familiar narrative beat to them,

452
00:23:54,773 --> 00:23:57,333
Speaker 14: and I think also the other problem with films like

453
00:23:57,373 --> 00:24:00,133
Speaker 14: this is there is a certain point where its actors

454
00:24:00,173 --> 00:24:02,613
Speaker 14: love to take them on because they often went awards

455
00:24:02,613 --> 00:24:05,693
Speaker 14: for them. But also these films require a certain amount

456
00:24:05,693 --> 00:24:09,853
Speaker 14: of trying to you're partly impersonating someone that we know

457
00:24:09,973 --> 00:24:12,653
Speaker 14: and love so much, and especially someone who's still alive

458
00:24:12,773 --> 00:24:17,293
Speaker 14: like Bruce, who is just a legend, and sort of

459
00:24:17,293 --> 00:24:19,013
Speaker 14: trying to make the character your own and take us

460
00:24:19,053 --> 00:24:21,853
Speaker 14: on a story. So it is very, very tricky. Jeremy

461
00:24:21,853 --> 00:24:23,893
Speaker 14: Allen White, I think, does a really good job here

462
00:24:23,893 --> 00:24:27,493
Speaker 14: of being a tortured artist. And I think, look, there's

463
00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:29,853
Speaker 14: only about three or four scenes where you see Bruce

464
00:24:29,893 --> 00:24:32,133
Speaker 14: playing on a stage. This is not like a big

465
00:24:32,253 --> 00:24:36,893
Speaker 14: kind of concert a film at all. But when he

466
00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:39,573
Speaker 14: does perform and the way he performs, he does capture

467
00:24:39,613 --> 00:24:43,213
Speaker 14: all Bruce Springsteen's mannerism, So he does. They start with

468
00:24:43,253 --> 00:24:44,893
Speaker 14: a shot of him on stage, They kind of do

469
00:24:45,053 --> 00:24:47,453
Speaker 14: draw you in, but because he doesn't really look anything

470
00:24:47,613 --> 00:24:50,413
Speaker 14: like him and things, you're able to sort of step

471
00:24:50,453 --> 00:24:53,573
Speaker 14: back a little bit and go, Okay, I'm following the

472
00:24:53,613 --> 00:24:56,733
Speaker 14: story of this artist, rather than sitting there kind of

473
00:24:56,733 --> 00:25:00,173
Speaker 14: going this is Bruce. You know, yeah, it's quite good.

474
00:25:00,173 --> 00:25:02,053
Speaker 14: He doesn't quite look the same. But this is a

475
00:25:02,053 --> 00:25:05,573
Speaker 14: bit like a complete unknown in the sense that they've

476
00:25:05,773 --> 00:25:09,133
Speaker 14: just narrowed down on a very specific time in Bruce's

477
00:25:09,813 --> 00:25:14,013
Speaker 14: long career. And it's set during the making of the

478
00:25:14,093 --> 00:25:18,333
Speaker 14: acoustic album Nebraska. So it's nineteen eighty one. Springsteen's in

479
00:25:18,333 --> 00:25:20,813
Speaker 14: his early thirties. He's just come off the hugely successful

480
00:25:20,893 --> 00:25:23,453
Speaker 14: River Tour. He's trying to settle back into New Jersey.

481
00:25:23,693 --> 00:25:25,653
Speaker 14: The pressure is on him to make a new album

482
00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:28,333
Speaker 14: to really, you know, profit on this momentum that he has.

483
00:25:28,693 --> 00:25:31,693
Speaker 14: So there's that sort of commercial versus artistic theme in here,

484
00:25:32,213 --> 00:25:36,453
Speaker 14: artist theme in here. He's really just a bit lost.

485
00:25:36,493 --> 00:25:39,093
Speaker 14: He's burnt out, he's exhausted, he's back in his hometown.

486
00:25:39,253 --> 00:25:42,493
Speaker 14: He's having a lot of He's reminded a lot of

487
00:25:42,493 --> 00:25:44,893
Speaker 14: his childhood and Listen to Me is a bit ponderous.

488
00:25:44,893 --> 00:25:46,573
Speaker 14: In the film, we do a lot of flashbacks to

489
00:25:46,613 --> 00:25:49,533
Speaker 14: his childhood. We see his abusive and alcoholic father and

490
00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:51,093
Speaker 14: see the family life, and I think there's a bit

491
00:25:51,213 --> 00:25:54,293
Speaker 14: much of that. It's sort of just dragged the film down.

492
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Speaker 14: But we got the message. We didn't need to spend

493
00:25:56,533 --> 00:25:59,373
Speaker 14: so much time there. And this is all bearing down

494
00:25:59,413 --> 00:26:03,533
Speaker 14: on him and the demon starts sort of arising, and

495
00:26:03,613 --> 00:26:05,933
Speaker 14: he's making two albums that this is something I didn't

496
00:26:05,973 --> 00:26:08,293
Speaker 14: know you just played Dancing in the Dark off the

497
00:26:09,373 --> 00:26:11,533
Speaker 14: Born in the USA album released in nineteen ninety four,

498
00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:15,093
Speaker 14: recorded at the same time as Nebraska. So he was

499
00:26:15,133 --> 00:26:17,813
Speaker 14: in the studio recording these two completely separate albums. He

500
00:26:17,853 --> 00:26:22,093
Speaker 14: was recording this great carlor rock album, you know, at

501
00:26:22,093 --> 00:26:24,613
Speaker 14: the same time. He was completely obsessed. He didn't want

502
00:26:24,653 --> 00:26:26,893
Speaker 14: he just wanted to shout those songs. He says, I

503
00:26:26,893 --> 00:26:29,253
Speaker 14: can't deal with those songs, and of course the record companies.

504
00:26:29,013 --> 00:26:32,173
Speaker 2: Go there is after yeah, yeah.

505
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Speaker 14: He said, no, I'm obsessed with these songs that I

506
00:26:35,973 --> 00:26:38,293
Speaker 14: have to write as an artist and as a person.

507
00:26:38,733 --> 00:26:41,573
Speaker 14: It's a sorrow I have to write these songs on

508
00:26:41,613 --> 00:26:44,333
Speaker 14: the Nebraska album, And when he released it, he said,

509
00:26:44,373 --> 00:26:47,053
Speaker 14: no press, no singles, no nothing, just release it. And

510
00:26:47,093 --> 00:26:49,453
Speaker 14: of course, once again the Brical Company's tearing its hair

511
00:26:49,533 --> 00:26:52,373
Speaker 14: and it went to number three. And so it's really

512
00:26:52,453 --> 00:26:54,653
Speaker 14: so the problem with the film is we are following

513
00:26:54,653 --> 00:26:57,333
Speaker 14: a man who is it's a very introbuted film. He

514
00:26:57,533 --> 00:27:01,213
Speaker 14: is sliding into depression. He is losing himself, and that's

515
00:27:01,253 --> 00:27:04,933
Speaker 14: something which is you know, hard to capture on screen.

516
00:27:05,013 --> 00:27:08,813
Speaker 14: So we really watch him making record in his bedroom. Now,

517
00:27:08,853 --> 00:27:11,653
Speaker 14: if you loved Rocketman, if you love Bohemian Rhapsody, if

518
00:27:11,693 --> 00:27:14,693
Speaker 14: you like those big, glossy, fun, lots of music kind

519
00:27:14,693 --> 00:27:17,813
Speaker 14: of biopics, this is not for you. This is a

520
00:27:17,973 --> 00:27:21,493
Speaker 14: very sort of small, insular film about a man slipping

521
00:27:21,493 --> 00:27:25,173
Speaker 14: into depression. And it is slow at times, and it

522
00:27:25,213 --> 00:27:28,173
Speaker 14: is ponderous at times. Personally, I quite enjoyed it. I

523
00:27:28,213 --> 00:27:29,933
Speaker 14: was quite happy to sit back and let it happen.

524
00:27:30,013 --> 00:27:33,173
Speaker 14: I love Bruce learned a bit from the movie. But

525
00:27:33,253 --> 00:27:35,093
Speaker 14: the sun's right, Jack, It's probably a three out of five.

526
00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:40,213
Speaker 2: Ah okay. Interesting. So what what is it about these

527
00:27:40,413 --> 00:27:43,053
Speaker 2: musical biopics at the moment, Because, I mean, we have

528
00:27:43,173 --> 00:27:46,293
Speaker 2: had so many, right, we've had But you had the

529
00:27:46,333 --> 00:27:49,973
Speaker 2: Bob Marley, you had the Amy Winehouse one. Like you say,

530
00:27:50,013 --> 00:27:53,013
Speaker 2: you had the Yeah, I mean there have been heabes.

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Speaker 14: Well, we love these stories and they don't They are

532
00:27:56,053 --> 00:27:58,893
Speaker 14: great stories, and we love the music. I think a

533
00:27:58,893 --> 00:28:01,613
Speaker 14: lot of the time we go, you know, I walked

534
00:28:01,613 --> 00:28:04,453
Speaker 14: out like most people. Well and you put on Nebraska.

535
00:28:04,493 --> 00:28:07,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, you kind of go. I don't know.

536
00:28:07,613 --> 00:28:09,533
Speaker 14: I mean, I do think that they do tell great stories.

537
00:28:09,533 --> 00:28:10,493
Speaker 14: I just think we're and.

538
00:28:10,413 --> 00:28:13,613
Speaker 2: They probably sell. They're probably selling to a bit of nostalgia,

539
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:13,933
Speaker 2: you know.

540
00:28:14,533 --> 00:28:15,573
Speaker 14: Yeah, Yeah, And I think we.

541
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Speaker 11: I think we.

542
00:28:18,053 --> 00:28:21,093
Speaker 14: I appreciate what directors Scott Cooper's tried to do here.

543
00:28:21,173 --> 00:28:23,253
Speaker 14: He has tried to do it a little bit differently

544
00:28:23,293 --> 00:28:25,613
Speaker 14: and present it to us a story about Bruce in

545
00:28:25,613 --> 00:28:26,853
Speaker 14: a little bit of a different manner.

546
00:28:27,093 --> 00:28:30,693
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah man, Okay, all right, well it sounds sounds interesting.

547
00:28:30,733 --> 00:28:32,413
Speaker 2: But yeah, three out of five?

548
00:28:32,453 --> 00:28:32,773
Speaker 11: All right.

549
00:28:32,773 --> 00:28:36,173
Speaker 2: So let's Springsteen delivered me from Nowhere. This is something

550
00:28:36,213 --> 00:28:39,253
Speaker 2: completely different. It's a film called Four Mothers.

551
00:28:39,533 --> 00:28:41,653
Speaker 4: Hello, hi, Edward.

552
00:28:41,893 --> 00:28:44,173
Speaker 15: We decided to run away to Musk along with Pride

553
00:28:44,173 --> 00:28:47,173
Speaker 15: for three days and me from arms with you Abandons.

554
00:28:47,173 --> 00:28:53,413
Speaker 2: The Mother belongs Pride of our Things. And this is

555
00:28:53,653 --> 00:28:56,413
Speaker 2: in cinemas later this week as part of the British

556
00:28:56,453 --> 00:28:58,693
Speaker 2: and Irish Film Festival. So tell us about four Mothers.

557
00:28:59,373 --> 00:29:02,533
Speaker 14: Oh look, this is a real charm. This is just hilarious.

558
00:29:02,573 --> 00:29:05,133
Speaker 14: It's droll, it's a cubic wit. I was laughing at

559
00:29:05,213 --> 00:29:07,413
Speaker 14: loud the middle of this film started. It tells the

560
00:29:07,453 --> 00:29:10,013
Speaker 14: story of Edward. He's a thirty something Irish writer. He's

561
00:29:10,013 --> 00:29:12,773
Speaker 14: had huge success at home with the young adult novel

562
00:29:12,813 --> 00:29:14,653
Speaker 14: he's just released, and it's about to be launched in

563
00:29:14,653 --> 00:29:17,613
Speaker 14: America and they're anticipating it's going to be huge, so

564
00:29:17,653 --> 00:29:20,173
Speaker 14: they're planning a book tour. He's very excited. The only

565
00:29:20,173 --> 00:29:23,253
Speaker 14: problem is that Edward is the sole caretaker for his mother,

566
00:29:23,293 --> 00:29:25,733
Speaker 14: who's had a stroke. Resume can no longer talk, and

567
00:29:25,773 --> 00:29:28,853
Speaker 14: he's very torn between, you know, looking after his mother

568
00:29:29,013 --> 00:29:31,133
Speaker 14: and his career and things. And just as he's trying

569
00:29:31,133 --> 00:29:33,213
Speaker 14: to work all this out, three of his gay friends,

570
00:29:33,333 --> 00:29:35,933
Speaker 14: also exhausted from looking after their mother's ditch them on

571
00:29:36,093 --> 00:29:38,213
Speaker 14: edwards doorstep and head off to this pride long weekend

572
00:29:38,213 --> 00:29:40,693
Speaker 14: of fun. And it's this really great premise and this

573
00:29:40,813 --> 00:29:43,213
Speaker 14: fabulous setup for this cast. They will niggle at each

574
00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:45,293
Speaker 14: other and compete, and Edward's run ragged trying to cater

575
00:29:45,373 --> 00:29:47,093
Speaker 14: to them wall and get into their appointments and things.

576
00:29:47,773 --> 00:29:51,013
Speaker 14: So it's lots of fun, but also it's quite a

577
00:29:51,053 --> 00:29:55,053
Speaker 14: sweet film about aging about gay adults navigating the relationships

578
00:29:55,093 --> 00:29:58,053
Speaker 14: with their meddling mothers. And it explores grief and loneliness

579
00:29:58,053 --> 00:30:02,213
Speaker 14: and things. But look an absolute delight, great Irish humor

580
00:30:02,293 --> 00:30:04,733
Speaker 14: coming through here. British and Irish Film Festival kicks off

581
00:30:04,773 --> 00:30:07,133
Speaker 14: on the twenty ninth of October. It's going all around

582
00:30:07,173 --> 00:30:10,013
Speaker 14: the country in the nineteenth of November. There's lots to

583
00:30:10,053 --> 00:30:10,493
Speaker 14: look forward to.

584
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Speaker 2: Oh amazing, Yeah, okay, that sounds really good. So those

585
00:30:14,133 --> 00:30:17,653
Speaker 2: films once again. The first one is of course Springsteen

586
00:30:17,733 --> 00:30:20,573
Speaker 2: Delivered Me from Nowhere and Four Mothers is screening as

587
00:30:20,613 --> 00:30:22,653
Speaker 2: part of the British and Irish Film Festival. That's and

588
00:30:22,693 --> 00:30:25,373
Speaker 2: cinemas from Thursday of this week. We have all the

589
00:30:25,413 --> 00:30:27,493
Speaker 2: details for those on the news talks. He'd be website

590
00:30:27,813 --> 00:30:29,853
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock this morning as well. We're going to

591
00:30:29,853 --> 00:30:33,333
Speaker 2: stick with the film theme. Our feature interview is John Boyeger,

592
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Speaker 2: who played Finn in Star Wars, and he's an interesting

593
00:30:39,013 --> 00:30:41,253
Speaker 2: guy for a number of reasons. So he's played a

594
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Speaker 2: number of really interesting roles over the years, but having

595
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Speaker 2: been in the Star Wars Star Wars franchise and he

596
00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:53,653
Speaker 2: was part of the sequel trilogy. He then spoke out

597
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Speaker 2: against Star Wars. So he talked about Star Wars basically

598
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Speaker 2: being a series that almost entirely had white actors playing

599
00:31:03,133 --> 00:31:06,133
Speaker 2: in the big roles, and he is of African descent,

600
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Speaker 2: so he said he felt like he was well, certainly

601
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Speaker 2: a minority in the Star Wars films, but actually that

602
00:31:13,573 --> 00:31:17,373
Speaker 2: Star Wars hadn't prioritized roles for actors of color, and

603
00:31:17,453 --> 00:31:19,533
Speaker 2: he was, like I say, quite outspoken about it. He

604
00:31:19,933 --> 00:31:22,853
Speaker 2: was public about it, appeared in a documentary making that criticism.

605
00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:25,093
Speaker 2: So we'll ask John Boyeger about that a little bit

606
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:27,333
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock when he joins us this morning. Thank

607
00:31:27,333 --> 00:31:28,373
Speaker 2: you so much for your feedback.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

609
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Speaker 2: Thirty four years ago, me and my then boyfriend were

610
00:31:32,653 --> 00:31:35,693
Speaker 2: touring his UK parents around the South Island and on

611
00:31:35,733 --> 00:31:38,293
Speaker 2: our way back to Picton my car broke down just

612
00:31:38,373 --> 00:31:41,733
Speaker 2: outside Murchison, so we ended up staying in a basic

613
00:31:41,813 --> 00:31:44,253
Speaker 2: Murchison motel that even had a pool lough. My in

614
00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:46,933
Speaker 2: laws thought it was quaint and quite beautiful. Like you say,

615
00:31:47,013 --> 00:31:49,413
Speaker 2: the surroundings are absolutely gorgeous. I'm glad you folks are

616
00:31:49,413 --> 00:31:51,053
Speaker 2: home safely, says Helen. Thank you, Helen.

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Speaker 12: Jack.

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Speaker 2: All my relatives are buried at Murchison's cemeteries. But of

619
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Speaker 2: a family town to us, says Andy, it is. It

620
00:31:57,813 --> 00:31:59,253
Speaker 2: is an amazing place, you know what. One of the

621
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Speaker 2: things that makes it unique is that it's about as

622
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Speaker 2: far as you can get, certainly in the South Island

623
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Speaker 2: from the ocean, isn't it. Because to get to the ocean,

624
00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:13,013
Speaker 2: you've either got to go north up to Nelson or

625
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Speaker 2: through the Ball of Gorge to the South Island's west coast,

626
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Speaker 2: So you are at least a couple of hours away,

627
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Speaker 2: probably two and a half two and a half hours

628
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Speaker 2: away from the ocean, which I should think in the

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Speaker 2: South Island is about as far from the ocean as

630
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Speaker 2: you can get. Of course, they've got the river through there,

631
00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:28,973
Speaker 2: so it's not like you don't have a water source.

632
00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:32,053
Speaker 2: And yeah, those hills through the Gorge are just amazing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, thank you for that. Ninety two ninety two

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Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack Team keep him the conversation going

640
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Speaker 1: through the weekend the US talks'd be.

641
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Speaker 2: I knew the moment I said that someone would correct me.

642
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Speaker 2: Here you go, Jack, Garston in Southland is the furthest

643
00:32:58,253 --> 00:33:01,573
Speaker 2: place from the sea. So okay, that's in terms of

644
00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,893
Speaker 2: the crow flies. And look, I don't think Murchison would

645
00:33:04,893 --> 00:33:07,533
Speaker 2: beat it necessarily. But how long does it take to

646
00:33:07,613 --> 00:33:10,573
Speaker 2: drive from Garston to the near nearest ocean. You could

647
00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:14,493
Speaker 2: head south, I guess, or you could head east out

648
00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:17,493
Speaker 2: to Otago. I presume you can't quite get west there.

649
00:33:17,533 --> 00:33:19,173
Speaker 2: It would take a long time to get west because

650
00:33:19,173 --> 00:33:21,613
Speaker 2: you'd be clashing with Fjordland. But there you go. Garston

651
00:33:22,133 --> 00:33:24,853
Speaker 2: is the furthest place from the ocean. Thank you for that,

652
00:33:25,653 --> 00:33:30,733
Speaker 2: and thank you for your text and emails regarding mosquitoes,

653
00:33:31,893 --> 00:33:36,293
Speaker 2: biting nats and sand flies. This morning, Jack biting Nat.

654
00:33:36,493 --> 00:33:39,733
Speaker 2: I was wincing hearing about your experience from biting NAT's hint.

655
00:33:40,213 --> 00:33:42,893
Speaker 2: The key is in the name. I think yes, I

656
00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,813
Speaker 2: think you're probably right with that one nine ninety two.

657
00:33:44,853 --> 00:33:46,893
Speaker 2: If you want to send us a message eleven to

658
00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:49,413
Speaker 2: ten on Newstalks, the'd be. Our cook is Nicky Wicks.

659
00:33:49,773 --> 00:33:52,053
Speaker 16: She's with us this morning, held a good morning, Yeah,

660
00:33:52,093 --> 00:33:52,933
Speaker 16: good morning Jack.

661
00:33:53,013 --> 00:33:56,373
Speaker 2: Happy Labor Day weekend. This is a bit of a

662
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:59,613
Speaker 2: sort of a key milestone on your culinary calendar.

663
00:33:59,333 --> 00:34:03,093
Speaker 12: Isn't it. Oh why do we say, well, just as a.

664
00:34:03,093 --> 00:34:04,973
Speaker 2: Sort of a it's a you know, we're getting into

665
00:34:04,973 --> 00:34:08,653
Speaker 2: the warmer weather. Feels like there's no doubt we are

666
00:34:08,693 --> 00:34:12,453
Speaker 2: sort of fully ensconced in spring despite the weather of

667
00:34:12,493 --> 00:34:12,973
Speaker 2: this week.

668
00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:16,053
Speaker 17: You know, it really is, and I know terrible weather,

669
00:34:16,253 --> 00:34:18,693
Speaker 17: you know, across parts of the country. But I always

670
00:34:18,693 --> 00:34:20,933
Speaker 17: think of Labor weekend as being the first in the

671
00:34:21,013 --> 00:34:25,333
Speaker 17: season of long weekends. I love that we've had a long,

672
00:34:25,733 --> 00:34:28,533
Speaker 17: hard road. It's probably much aniki, am I right? I

673
00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:32,333
Speaker 17: don't think we have one, since one today makes all

674
00:34:32,373 --> 00:34:36,013
Speaker 17: the difference. For some reason, even non cooks, I think,

675
00:34:36,453 --> 00:34:38,653
Speaker 17: feel as though they've just got a bit more spaciousness

676
00:34:38,653 --> 00:34:42,293
Speaker 17: in their weekend to maybe just slow down and enjoyed

677
00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:45,213
Speaker 17: cooking rather than throwing something together after work and all

678
00:34:45,213 --> 00:34:45,853
Speaker 17: that kind of thing.

679
00:34:45,973 --> 00:34:46,493
Speaker 4: So I love that.

680
00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:50,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have the perfect little shoulder season options

681
00:34:50,093 --> 00:34:50,813
Speaker 2: for us this morning.

682
00:34:51,133 --> 00:34:55,333
Speaker 17: It's so lovely chicken with roasted grapes. So you just

683
00:34:55,653 --> 00:34:58,453
Speaker 17: this is just a one pan bake off, which I

684
00:34:58,533 --> 00:35:00,613
Speaker 17: just love. You can expand it, you can shrink it,

685
00:35:00,613 --> 00:35:03,413
Speaker 17: depending on how many people you've got around your table.

686
00:35:04,093 --> 00:35:07,773
Speaker 17: I just adore it. I use chicken sip. It's really great.

687
00:35:07,813 --> 00:35:10,373
Speaker 17: If you can find some with the bone and skin on.

688
00:35:10,893 --> 00:35:13,773
Speaker 17: Not always possible these days. Definitely bone and you can find,

689
00:35:13,773 --> 00:35:16,613
Speaker 17: but sometimes not the skin on. So you know, if

690
00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:19,013
Speaker 17: you can't, that's fine. But it's lovely to have those

691
00:35:19,373 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 17: those two things, and they're just a bit more juicy

692
00:35:22,173 --> 00:35:24,253
Speaker 17: two hundred degrees. It's a bit of a quick bake

693
00:35:24,373 --> 00:35:28,133
Speaker 17: this large roasting dish or a pan, depending on how

694
00:35:28,133 --> 00:35:30,093
Speaker 17: many you've got. It needs to be ove and proof obviously,

695
00:35:30,413 --> 00:35:33,133
Speaker 17: driddle in some olive oil, and then arrange your skin,

696
00:35:33,493 --> 00:35:37,253
Speaker 17: your chicken piece of skin side up. And then I've

697
00:35:37,293 --> 00:35:41,293
Speaker 17: got five hundred grams of red seedless grapes. I really

698
00:35:41,293 --> 00:35:43,613
Speaker 17: love a bit of sweet in my savory dishes. Not

699
00:35:43,693 --> 00:35:46,573
Speaker 17: everybody does, Jack, Some people don't like that sort of

700
00:35:46,573 --> 00:35:49,613
Speaker 17: apricot or date or prune or whatever. But I love it,

701
00:35:49,653 --> 00:35:50,413
Speaker 17: and grapes.

702
00:35:50,093 --> 00:35:53,853
Speaker 2: Are just perfect. Who doesn't like this? Who doesn't?

703
00:35:53,973 --> 00:35:54,333
Speaker 13: I don't know.

704
00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:55,653
Speaker 14: Some people are like, oh.

705
00:35:55,533 --> 00:35:56,293
Speaker 6: I love.

706
00:35:58,413 --> 00:35:59,053
Speaker 2: Some people.

707
00:35:59,373 --> 00:36:02,773
Speaker 17: Yeah, So you can arrange the grapes around the chicken.

708
00:36:02,813 --> 00:36:04,653
Speaker 17: But I also sort of squish some. I take a

709
00:36:04,653 --> 00:36:06,773
Speaker 17: sort of fistfull of them and kind of pushed them

710
00:36:06,773 --> 00:36:08,573
Speaker 17: a little bit so that the juice comes out. Scatter

711
00:36:08,653 --> 00:36:11,453
Speaker 17: them around the chicken, Scatter over lots of garlic, six

712
00:36:11,533 --> 00:36:15,493
Speaker 17: cloves of garlic, a splash of red or white wine.

713
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:17,173
Speaker 17: It doesn't really mats. I caught of a cup of

714
00:36:17,213 --> 00:36:19,853
Speaker 17: bat and quart of a cup of stock. You could

715
00:36:19,933 --> 00:36:21,453
Speaker 17: go a little bit of time. You could go a

716
00:36:21,493 --> 00:36:23,773
Speaker 17: little bit of roase me either one lots of salt

717
00:36:23,773 --> 00:36:26,533
Speaker 17: and pepper on there, and then cover it with foil,

718
00:36:26,573 --> 00:36:28,253
Speaker 17: pop it in the oven, roast it for about forty

719
00:36:28,293 --> 00:36:31,573
Speaker 17: to forty five minutes, take the foil off, and then

720
00:36:31,653 --> 00:36:33,373
Speaker 17: sort of cook it for another ten or fifteen minutes.

721
00:36:33,373 --> 00:36:35,813
Speaker 17: And that just makes sure that the chicken is obviously

722
00:36:35,813 --> 00:36:38,893
Speaker 17: cooked all through. But that skin goes beautiful golden brown.

723
00:36:38,933 --> 00:36:41,653
Speaker 17: But you should still have some syrup left over from

724
00:36:41,653 --> 00:36:47,573
Speaker 17: the wine and the stock and the grape juices. Serve

725
00:36:47,613 --> 00:36:49,453
Speaker 17: it was you know, salad. Just take the whole pat

726
00:36:49,973 --> 00:36:52,973
Speaker 17: to the table, serve it with a lovely bit of salad,

727
00:36:53,173 --> 00:36:56,773
Speaker 17: crusty bread to mop up the juices. Oh it's so good.

728
00:36:56,893 --> 00:36:57,413
Speaker 13: I love it.

729
00:36:57,813 --> 00:37:00,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. I think this could be a bit

730
00:37:00,773 --> 00:37:03,413
Speaker 2: of us this weekend nextly, just a little bit of

731
00:37:03,693 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 2: a little bit of extra time and I love that

732
00:37:05,773 --> 00:37:09,533
Speaker 2: him and a little sweet components. You'll be surprised to hear, Nicky.

733
00:37:11,053 --> 00:37:14,573
Speaker 17: Oh well, you just never know who the people these days. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:37:14,933 --> 00:37:16,773
Speaker 17: you get one pain wonder and I love that on the

735
00:37:16,773 --> 00:37:19,613
Speaker 17: weekend because you don't want to spend your weekend doing dishes.

736
00:37:20,013 --> 00:37:21,973
Speaker 17: I just want some good sort of comfort food but

737
00:37:22,013 --> 00:37:23,333
Speaker 17: not too heavy at this time of the year.

738
00:37:23,693 --> 00:37:24,173
Speaker 7: So there you go.

739
00:37:24,733 --> 00:37:26,413
Speaker 17: That's my weekend, just for this weekend.

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00:37:27,013 --> 00:37:27,413
Speaker 4: Very good.

741
00:37:27,533 --> 00:37:29,693
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Nicki. Nicky works there and like

742
00:37:29,693 --> 00:37:32,573
Speaker 2: I say, the recipe will be excuse me on the

743
00:37:32,613 --> 00:37:35,373
Speaker 2: newstalk'sb website. I just cannot get anything right this morning.

744
00:37:35,933 --> 00:37:37,653
Speaker 2: I did not think this would be a point of debate,

745
00:37:37,693 --> 00:37:40,173
Speaker 2: but I've had about three messages coming immediately and said Jack.

746
00:37:40,253 --> 00:37:43,093
Speaker 2: Cromwell is the town closest from the oceans in New Zealand.

747
00:37:43,093 --> 00:37:45,813
Speaker 2: North Burn Station just outside of Cromwell. I've quickly asked

748
00:37:45,893 --> 00:37:50,733
Speaker 2: chat GPT. Chat GPT says it's an area roughly halfway

749
00:37:50,773 --> 00:37:54,013
Speaker 2: between Cromwell and Renfurly. That's the furthest from the ocean.

750
00:37:54,213 --> 00:37:55,733
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's I don't know if that's

751
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:59,413
Speaker 2: correct either. We're gonna have to commission a some sort

752
00:37:59,453 --> 00:38:01,533
Speaker 2: of a survey so we can get a definitive answer

753
00:38:01,533 --> 00:38:03,813
Speaker 2: on this, and aren't we I mean, either way, one

754
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:06,093
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty k is from the nearest ocean. If

755
00:38:06,133 --> 00:38:08,813
Speaker 2: that's our pole of inaccessibility, it doesn't really compare to

756
00:38:08,853 --> 00:38:10,893
Speaker 2: some of the international onesday. I'll get to moorre your

757
00:38:10,893 --> 00:38:12,493
Speaker 2: feedback in a few minutes. Right now, it's six to.

758
00:38:12,573 --> 00:38:16,493
Speaker 1: Ten, giving you the inside scoop on All you need

759
00:38:16,533 --> 00:38:20,573
Speaker 1: to Know on Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks eDV.

760
00:38:23,293 --> 00:38:25,693
Speaker 2: After ten o'clock on News Talks EDB, you've got our

761
00:38:25,693 --> 00:38:28,013
Speaker 2: screen time segment. So if you're looking for a good

762
00:38:28,013 --> 00:38:30,333
Speaker 2: show to watch or stream from the company you couch

763
00:38:30,453 --> 00:38:32,373
Speaker 2: this weekend, that is for you. We're going to tell

764
00:38:32,373 --> 00:38:35,453
Speaker 2: you about the show called The Ridge, which is a

765
00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:40,413
Speaker 2: psychological thriller that's set in both Scotland and New Zealand,

766
00:38:40,773 --> 00:38:43,653
Speaker 2: so it's a bit of a co production between like

767
00:38:43,933 --> 00:38:48,573
Speaker 2: the Scottish production companies in New Zealand. Ones sounds really interesting,

768
00:38:48,613 --> 00:38:50,493
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna give you some details on that very shortly.

769
00:38:50,573 --> 00:38:53,453
Speaker 2: John Boyege is our feature interview right after ten o'clock

770
00:38:53,573 --> 00:38:57,813
Speaker 2: Finn from the Star Wars sequel trilogy. He'll be with

771
00:38:57,893 --> 00:39:00,453
Speaker 2: us very shortly. News is next, though it's almost ten o'clock.

772
00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:02,693
Speaker 2: I'm Jack Taine. It's Saturday morning and this is News

773
00:39:02,693 --> 00:39:03,253
Speaker 2: Dogs eDV.

774
00:39:07,493 --> 00:39:11,573
Speaker 1: Cracking way to start Saturday Saturday morning with Jack tam

775
00:39:11,933 --> 00:39:12,573
Speaker 1: Youth Talks.

776
00:39:37,133 --> 00:39:37,973
Speaker 3: What any of you were?

777
00:39:38,093 --> 00:39:40,293
Speaker 2: Jack taim On News Talks. He'd be through the mid

778
00:39:40,333 --> 00:39:43,973
Speaker 2: day today. John Boyeger has a legendary status for his

779
00:39:44,053 --> 00:39:47,533
Speaker 2: ability to say he has fought with a lightsaber, stood

780
00:39:47,613 --> 00:39:49,573
Speaker 2: up to the Empire, and been an integral part of

781
00:39:49,613 --> 00:39:54,173
Speaker 2: a brand new generation of sci Fi and Star Wars stars.

782
00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:57,893
Speaker 2: He shot to famous former stormtrooper Finn in the Star

783
00:39:57,933 --> 00:40:00,933
Speaker 2: Wars sequel trilogy and has since carved out an amazing

784
00:40:00,973 --> 00:40:05,093
Speaker 2: career as an actor, producer, activist and storyteller with real purpose.

785
00:40:05,733 --> 00:40:08,813
Speaker 2: This weekend, John is in New Zealand for the Armagedney

786
00:40:08,813 --> 00:40:12,813
Speaker 2: Exposed Massive thirtieth anniversary event, and I caught up with

787
00:40:12,893 --> 00:40:16,093
Speaker 2: him just before he flew out to our shores. John,

788
00:40:16,373 --> 00:40:17,933
Speaker 2: good morning, how.

789
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Speaker 4: Are you doing.

790
00:40:18,533 --> 00:40:20,853
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you, delighted to be speaking with

791
00:40:20,893 --> 00:40:23,013
Speaker 2: you and delighted that you are making your way to

792
00:40:23,053 --> 00:40:24,853
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Have you been to New Zealand before?

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00:40:25,013 --> 00:40:27,973
Speaker 18: I've never been met, never, never been, so I'm very

794
00:40:28,093 --> 00:40:29,333
Speaker 18: very excited to go down there.

795
00:40:29,373 --> 00:40:29,533
Speaker 4: Man.

796
00:40:29,813 --> 00:40:33,253
Speaker 2: It's one of those places that you only really come

797
00:40:33,293 --> 00:40:35,053
Speaker 2: here if you're coming here. It's not really on the

798
00:40:35,053 --> 00:40:36,333
Speaker 2: way to many places, you know.

799
00:40:37,133 --> 00:40:39,733
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. But hence why

800
00:40:39,773 --> 00:40:42,973
Speaker 18: I've already dreamed of having a chance to come out

801
00:40:43,013 --> 00:40:45,413
Speaker 18: to New Zealand. To be honest with you, Yeah, ever

802
00:40:45,493 --> 00:40:48,733
Speaker 18: since Lord of the Rings and Chronicles not here, I'm

803
00:40:48,773 --> 00:40:52,253
Speaker 18: coming in with the more film mask kind of nostalgia

804
00:40:52,293 --> 00:40:52,653
Speaker 18: when I come.

805
00:40:52,693 --> 00:40:54,133
Speaker 4: So I can't wait. I can't wait to see it.

806
00:40:54,173 --> 00:40:56,493
Speaker 2: Oh superb. Hey, Well, what are these events like from

807
00:40:56,533 --> 00:40:59,973
Speaker 2: your perspective? Because Armageddon to us is the kind of

808
00:41:00,053 --> 00:41:05,093
Speaker 2: the mecca fan event for you know, for New Zealanders.

809
00:41:05,373 --> 00:41:07,653
Speaker 2: But what is it like when you're there and you

810
00:41:07,693 --> 00:41:09,893
Speaker 2: come to a place like New Zealand. Does it give

811
00:41:09,893 --> 00:41:16,093
Speaker 2: you a new appreciation for the scale of fandom and

812
00:41:17,293 --> 00:41:19,893
Speaker 2: you know, the parts of the world and which you

813
00:41:19,973 --> 00:41:21,213
Speaker 2: are a huge name.

814
00:41:22,533 --> 00:41:23,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.

815
00:41:23,333 --> 00:41:27,093
Speaker 18: I think it's it's yet to be normal to me

816
00:41:27,213 --> 00:41:29,493
Speaker 18: to be recognized by people who are so far away,

817
00:41:29,853 --> 00:41:34,413
Speaker 18: especially from where I grew up and my stomping ground.

818
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:36,373
Speaker 18: So to be in a position where you can come

819
00:41:36,413 --> 00:41:39,813
Speaker 18: into a new territory, especially as far as New Zealand,

820
00:41:39,853 --> 00:41:42,013
Speaker 18: and someone knows your name and knows your work and

821
00:41:42,053 --> 00:41:44,573
Speaker 18: appreciates your work, I think that is something that I

822
00:41:44,573 --> 00:41:46,773
Speaker 18: actually don't get over, to be fair, I don't get

823
00:41:46,853 --> 00:41:48,493
Speaker 18: over that when I leave London and go down the

824
00:41:48,533 --> 00:41:51,453
Speaker 18: street and they do that, you know, so talkless of

825
00:41:51,693 --> 00:41:54,893
Speaker 18: New Zealand. I mean, it's shocking to see. If just

826
00:41:55,173 --> 00:41:57,333
Speaker 18: speaks to the fandom. You know, they love what they

827
00:41:57,413 --> 00:41:58,333
Speaker 18: love wherever they are.

828
00:41:58,493 --> 00:42:00,493
Speaker 2: Do you like it? Do you like it when people

829
00:42:00,493 --> 00:42:02,133
Speaker 2: come up to you and say, hey, John, John Jelle,

830
00:42:02,173 --> 00:42:03,813
Speaker 2: I loved you on this, and you're sort of thinking, oh,

831
00:42:03,853 --> 00:42:05,733
Speaker 2: I can just keep to myself here, I'm just going

832
00:42:05,733 --> 00:42:07,933
Speaker 2: about my book in general.

833
00:42:08,013 --> 00:42:11,773
Speaker 18: In general, in general, I do and I definitely appreciate it.

834
00:42:11,813 --> 00:42:13,853
Speaker 18: But as you know, every individual case is different. It

835
00:42:13,933 --> 00:42:17,493
Speaker 18: just depends on the people and their approach and what

836
00:42:17,573 --> 00:42:19,933
Speaker 18: I'm doing. You know, if I've got you know, some

837
00:42:20,213 --> 00:42:22,653
Speaker 18: sandwich in my mouth and I'm eating with families, quite

838
00:42:22,653 --> 00:42:23,293
Speaker 18: different than them.

839
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Speaker 4: I'm just out and about you know what I mean. Yeah,

840
00:42:25,613 --> 00:42:27,293
Speaker 4: So I've met, I've met.

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00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:29,813
Speaker 18: I've met people in all different types of circumstances and

842
00:42:29,893 --> 00:42:32,653
Speaker 18: most of the time they are absolutely just amazing.

843
00:42:32,813 --> 00:42:33,093
Speaker 4: Yeah.

844
00:42:33,413 --> 00:42:35,573
Speaker 2: And I suppose when you're at Armageddon, like you just

845
00:42:35,973 --> 00:42:37,573
Speaker 2: you pick your moments for the sandwich.

846
00:42:38,853 --> 00:42:40,853
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, pick your moment. It's not about the sandwich.

847
00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:45,093
Speaker 18: Yeah, because I'm curious, I'm always I Also, I'm at

848
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:47,453
Speaker 18: a point where I do want people to stay tuned

849
00:42:47,493 --> 00:42:50,893
Speaker 18: into the work that I do. So events like arm

850
00:42:50,893 --> 00:42:54,133
Speaker 18: again and it brings fans together, and otherwise I wouldn't

851
00:42:54,133 --> 00:42:54,613
Speaker 18: have seen them.

852
00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:56,573
Speaker 4: I'd only know them through the screen.

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00:42:56,653 --> 00:43:00,333
Speaker 18: And I think a more intimate experience with the people

854
00:43:00,413 --> 00:43:01,893
Speaker 18: you enjoy and the projects you enjoy.

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00:43:01,893 --> 00:43:03,853
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool for both parties.

856
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:08,773
Speaker 2: How well invested in the Star Wars universe were you

857
00:43:09,013 --> 00:43:10,933
Speaker 2: before you signed onto the films.

858
00:43:12,213 --> 00:43:14,333
Speaker 18: I was really just a really big fan of it,

859
00:43:14,933 --> 00:43:18,013
Speaker 18: really invested. But just as a fan, I loved the

860
00:43:18,133 --> 00:43:22,053
Speaker 18: creative I loved dog George Lucas did with curating your

861
00:43:22,093 --> 00:43:26,493
Speaker 18: own story, producing it, getting it out there, pushing it

862
00:43:26,493 --> 00:43:29,773
Speaker 18: out and just creating something so huge and the way

863
00:43:29,813 --> 00:43:33,093
Speaker 18: one thing led to another for him was amazing and

864
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Speaker 18: I was one of those many kids that were impacted

865
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Speaker 18: by that effort with the with the Brandy. I grew

866
00:43:38,693 --> 00:43:40,973
Speaker 18: up in the prequels, but then after that went back

867
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Speaker 18: to the originals and then started in the sequels.

868
00:43:43,973 --> 00:43:47,813
Speaker 4: So it's a fan's dream, to be honest with you.

869
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:51,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it really is. I just feel like

870
00:43:52,333 --> 00:43:57,253
Speaker 2: there can be few, you know, few franchises in the

871
00:43:57,253 --> 00:44:01,373
Speaker 2: world that have anything like the Star Wars following. So

872
00:44:01,693 --> 00:44:03,733
Speaker 2: how do you, like, how do you look at the

873
00:44:03,773 --> 00:44:06,093
Speaker 2: fandom for Star Wars now that you've been both a

874
00:44:06,133 --> 00:44:09,373
Speaker 2: fan and the star How has that experience kind of

875
00:44:09,413 --> 00:44:10,333
Speaker 2: changed your perspective?

876
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Speaker 18: Well, you kind of know the inner workings of Star

877
00:44:15,373 --> 00:44:18,413
Speaker 18: Wars a bit more obviously when you work on it.

878
00:44:19,893 --> 00:44:24,613
Speaker 18: But it validates really and truly my reason for loving

879
00:44:24,653 --> 00:44:27,053
Speaker 18: the film so much and loving Star Wars so much,

880
00:44:27,133 --> 00:44:29,293
Speaker 18: to be honest, because there's so many amazing people behind

881
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:33,453
Speaker 18: the scenes, unspoken for that do such magnificent work, and

882
00:44:33,493 --> 00:44:35,893
Speaker 18: if they didn't, then we wouldn't appreciate Star Wars in

883
00:44:35,893 --> 00:44:37,973
Speaker 18: the way in which we do. So give you a

884
00:44:38,013 --> 00:44:40,973
Speaker 18: new appreciation for the system and how everything kind of

885
00:44:41,013 --> 00:44:43,533
Speaker 18: has to come together. How we all have to collaborate

886
00:44:43,573 --> 00:44:46,773
Speaker 18: from different teams. I mean, the actors know how much

887
00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,893
Speaker 18: work is done and then to be behind the scenes

888
00:44:49,933 --> 00:44:54,293
Speaker 18: to witness it. It just makes you appreciate filmmaking and

889
00:44:54,333 --> 00:44:56,573
Speaker 18: being part of one of the biggest space operas of

890
00:44:56,613 --> 00:44:57,213
Speaker 18: all time made.

891
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good way of thinking about today. I'm

892
00:45:00,933 --> 00:45:04,613
Speaker 2: speaking to actor John Boyeger who played Finn and Star

893
00:45:04,693 --> 00:45:08,653
Speaker 2: Wars The Force Awakens. He is coming to New Zealand

894
00:45:08,653 --> 00:45:11,013
Speaker 2: for arm again. I'm sure you're asked about this all

895
00:45:11,013 --> 00:45:14,093
Speaker 2: the time, but I think you made a really conscious

896
00:45:14,093 --> 00:45:19,413
Speaker 2: decision to hear both your appreciation for the franchise and

897
00:45:19,453 --> 00:45:22,373
Speaker 2: the series, but also some of your criticism from your

898
00:45:22,373 --> 00:45:25,733
Speaker 2: perspective of Star Wars. And you made the comments and

899
00:45:26,173 --> 00:45:28,773
Speaker 2: number one on the call sheet in which you talked

900
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Speaker 2: about Star Wars being I think you said it was,

901
00:45:32,013 --> 00:45:36,533
Speaker 2: you know, the most white, elite space and yeah, I

902
00:45:36,573 --> 00:45:39,893
Speaker 2: suppoke making comments like that are pretty brave for anyone

903
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Speaker 2: to be making. So can you talk us through your

904
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Speaker 2: thought process? Why did you decide to speak out as

905
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Speaker 2: you did.

906
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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think it's brave at all.

907
00:45:48,293 --> 00:45:52,813
Speaker 18: Everybody that works on Star Wars are rich wealthy individuals

908
00:45:52,813 --> 00:45:57,173
Speaker 18: that are tasked with to tell the story of Star Wars.

909
00:45:56,853 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 4: And Luke and all the characters that come in. I

910
00:45:58,493 --> 00:46:01,853
Speaker 4: think it's just all saying what it is.

911
00:46:01,973 --> 00:46:06,053
Speaker 18: I mean, there's not a lot of other people in

912
00:46:06,053 --> 00:46:10,453
Speaker 18: that level, especially since nineteen seventy seven, that are behind

913
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Speaker 18: the scenes of Star Wars and push the creative.

914
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Speaker 4: So I'm just saying what's visible.

915
00:46:13,893 --> 00:46:17,453
Speaker 18: Everybody knows that there are Star Wars has came out

916
00:46:17,493 --> 00:46:22,333
Speaker 18: at a very interesting time, and the addition of actors

917
00:46:22,333 --> 00:46:24,893
Speaker 18: of color and various other people into this has always

918
00:46:24,933 --> 00:46:28,093
Speaker 18: been a conversation. So I think me it's just more

919
00:46:28,133 --> 00:46:30,493
Speaker 18: so making sure everybody's inn actings if they don't see

920
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Speaker 18: what is very visible, you know what I mean?

921
00:46:32,933 --> 00:46:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I suppose The reason that struck me as

922
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:40,973
Speaker 2: being braver is that I can imagine, you know, there

923
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Speaker 2: is the potential for a backlash, whether it's from fans

924
00:46:43,573 --> 00:46:45,413
Speaker 2: or whether it's from people in the industry or someone

925
00:46:45,453 --> 00:46:48,293
Speaker 2: like that. Given people feel so strongly about Star Wars,

926
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Speaker 2: I wonder that.

927
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Speaker 18: It was The documentary was filmed a couple of years ago,

928
00:46:53,493 --> 00:46:57,893
Speaker 18: actually only just recently came out, so timeline wise, is

929
00:46:58,173 --> 00:47:01,213
Speaker 18: pretty much the same thing. I was saying from when

930
00:47:01,293 --> 00:47:03,853
Speaker 18: Star Wars was released and I was able to speak

931
00:47:03,893 --> 00:47:07,293
Speaker 18: about it. Honestly, it just so happened that documentary came

932
00:47:07,333 --> 00:47:09,893
Speaker 18: out a bit later, so people still think it's on

933
00:47:09,973 --> 00:47:13,413
Speaker 18: the same topic, and honestly, the whole conversation has moved on.

934
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Speaker 4: Moved on from that since because it's been.

935
00:47:17,253 --> 00:47:20,013
Speaker 18: So long, and I know that they were kind of

936
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Speaker 18: like efforts by Lucasfilm to diversify her with with talent

937
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Speaker 18: and and to lean more into including everybody as much

938
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Speaker 18: people as possible, since Star Wars Welcome is so much

939
00:47:32,413 --> 00:47:36,293
Speaker 18: different alien species and creative characters. You know, Yeah, of

940
00:47:36,333 --> 00:47:38,573
Speaker 18: course we were thinking that would be the very least

941
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Speaker 18: of our issues.

942
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Speaker 2: You know, they cloned Tyrone, who was just quite a

943
00:47:45,293 --> 00:47:51,333
Speaker 2: unique and special film, and I really loved it. I

944
00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:54,133
Speaker 2: wonder what was it about they cloned Tyrone that drew

945
00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:56,213
Speaker 2: you to that film.

946
00:47:56,533 --> 00:48:01,573
Speaker 18: Jamie Fox being attached was very interesting because obviously, you know,

947
00:48:01,613 --> 00:48:04,773
Speaker 18: working with a legend was something that it's.

948
00:48:04,693 --> 00:48:07,813
Speaker 2: Definitely a positive, right you see the name Jemmy, You're like, yeah,

949
00:48:07,893 --> 00:48:09,053
Speaker 2: well look I'll read the script.

950
00:48:09,133 --> 00:48:12,173
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, I'll read it. I'll just say yes first

951
00:48:12,173 --> 00:48:13,613
Speaker 18: and then I'll read it. Later to be honest with you.

952
00:48:14,293 --> 00:48:16,973
Speaker 18: So it was a good experience to just be given

953
00:48:17,013 --> 00:48:18,733
Speaker 18: a chance to start with some of the icons I

954
00:48:18,773 --> 00:48:22,533
Speaker 18: grew up watching. I think also Joelle Taylor was the

955
00:48:22,573 --> 00:48:26,173
Speaker 18: first time director, and I wanted to support his perspective,

956
00:48:26,293 --> 00:48:31,053
Speaker 18: his voice, his creativity, and I enjoy films that are

957
00:48:31,053 --> 00:48:34,813
Speaker 18: a bit more more brave in that sense, like I

958
00:48:34,933 --> 00:48:38,773
Speaker 18: enjoy movies that are not trying to be too censored

959
00:48:39,933 --> 00:48:41,053
Speaker 18: and be too aware.

960
00:48:41,213 --> 00:48:42,613
Speaker 4: I think that art is.

961
00:48:42,733 --> 00:48:46,093
Speaker 18: Essentially some person, especially filmed art. It's just one person

962
00:48:46,133 --> 00:48:48,453
Speaker 18: telling you a story and saying, look what I thought

963
00:48:48,533 --> 00:48:51,093
Speaker 18: up or look at what happened. And I think Tyrone

964
00:48:51,133 --> 00:48:53,573
Speaker 18: represents the movie that's getting back to that culture where

965
00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:58,893
Speaker 18: you can have such controversial characters and still understand that

966
00:48:58,893 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 18: you're following a story and enjoy yourself, you know. So

967
00:49:00,933 --> 00:49:02,053
Speaker 18: I really enjoyed that project.

968
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

969
00:49:02,613 --> 00:49:05,533
Speaker 2: It's funny because you sort of think in the streaming age,

970
00:49:06,373 --> 00:49:11,133
Speaker 2: and they cloned Tyrone was was released on Netflix, but

971
00:49:11,213 --> 00:49:14,573
Speaker 2: in the streaming age you can see that from creators' perspectives,

972
00:49:14,573 --> 00:49:16,893
Speaker 2: there might be two different paths to go down when

973
00:49:16,893 --> 00:49:19,693
Speaker 2: you're when you're making films. So one path is that

974
00:49:19,733 --> 00:49:21,853
Speaker 2: you go, oh, my gosh, I've got access to the

975
00:49:22,013 --> 00:49:25,573
Speaker 2: entire world through streaming platforms, So I'm going to make

976
00:49:26,253 --> 00:49:29,493
Speaker 2: a piece of art that is kind of as banal

977
00:49:29,613 --> 00:49:32,653
Speaker 2: as possible, so that it appeals to the broadest possible

978
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Speaker 2: audience possible. But if you do that, you never make

979
00:49:35,653 --> 00:49:38,893
Speaker 2: anything great. And the other the other path is to go, Okay,

980
00:49:38,933 --> 00:49:41,013
Speaker 2: I've got access to the whole world. I'm going to say,

981
00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:45,293
Speaker 2: I'm going to make something that really appeals to me

982
00:49:45,333 --> 00:49:47,333
Speaker 2: as an artist, and it might be a bit quirky,

983
00:49:47,333 --> 00:49:50,253
Speaker 2: it might be a little bit unusual, but actually it's

984
00:49:50,293 --> 00:49:52,453
Speaker 2: going to be beloved because of it. And it feels

985
00:49:52,493 --> 00:49:56,013
Speaker 2: like that is perhaps the kind of path that Juelle

986
00:49:56,013 --> 00:49:59,573
Speaker 2: and that that Jamie and you took with they climed Tyrone.

987
00:49:59,853 --> 00:50:02,973
Speaker 18: Yeah, definitely. It differently feels like a movie that grows

988
00:50:02,973 --> 00:50:06,973
Speaker 18: on people too. It came out a very difficult time also,

989
00:50:07,133 --> 00:50:09,533
Speaker 18: during the strikes, and a lot a lot was going on,

990
00:50:09,613 --> 00:50:13,573
Speaker 18: and I feel like a huge chunk of Tyrone's audience

991
00:50:13,733 --> 00:50:16,813
Speaker 18: was lost in that moment because of what was happening

992
00:50:16,853 --> 00:50:18,013
Speaker 18: with the strikes and the lack.

993
00:50:17,893 --> 00:50:19,613
Speaker 4: Of promotion for the project.

994
00:50:19,933 --> 00:50:21,853
Speaker 18: But it really does stand on It's only two feet

995
00:50:22,333 --> 00:50:24,893
Speaker 18: as a movie that, as you said, it pushes barriers

996
00:50:24,893 --> 00:50:27,333
Speaker 18: and it's you know, Shoel Taylor's baby, and I think

997
00:50:27,373 --> 00:50:29,693
Speaker 18: that being a part of it and supporting him and

998
00:50:29,813 --> 00:50:31,973
Speaker 18: his first film was truly important.

999
00:50:32,173 --> 00:50:34,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're coming to New Zealand for Armagiddan. But

1000
00:50:34,813 --> 00:50:37,013
Speaker 2: you know, we have a film industry, right the film

1001
00:50:37,053 --> 00:50:40,933
Speaker 2: industry that extends beyond Lord of the Rings and Nania.

1002
00:50:41,013 --> 00:50:43,413
Speaker 2: Is there any opportunity for you to maybe come down

1003
00:50:43,413 --> 00:50:44,893
Speaker 2: here and spend a bit more time filming.

1004
00:50:46,053 --> 00:50:47,213
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. I would love to.

1005
00:50:47,293 --> 00:50:49,573
Speaker 18: If I'm filming something in New Zealand, it's probably a

1006
00:50:49,613 --> 00:50:53,733
Speaker 18: fantastic gig. So I'm gonna hope that that happens, man,

1007
00:50:53,773 --> 00:50:55,413
Speaker 18: because I would absolutely love that.

1008
00:50:55,653 --> 00:50:58,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had delighted you coming here, John Trevel safely,

1009
00:50:58,453 --> 00:51:00,293
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time and can't wait

1010
00:51:00,293 --> 00:51:00,893
Speaker 2: to see your own.

1011
00:51:01,733 --> 00:51:04,453
Speaker 4: Oh'll see anybody there can't wait to meet. Please come out,

1012
00:51:04,453 --> 00:51:05,533
Speaker 4: Please come out, come see me.

1013
00:51:07,413 --> 00:51:09,293
Speaker 2: That is John Boyega. The good news is you can

1014
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:14,333
Speaker 2: go and see John today. Orkan's Armageddon has just launched.

1015
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Speaker 2: Is the thirtieth anniversary of Armageddon, so it is going

1016
00:51:18,133 --> 00:51:20,013
Speaker 2: to be a big one and of course it's on

1017
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Speaker 2: right through to Monday. We've got all the details up

1018
00:51:21,973 --> 00:51:25,053
Speaker 2: on the News talks he'db website newstalkshedb dot co dot

1019
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Speaker 2: z before eleven o'clock on news Talks dB. It isn't

1020
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Speaker 2: just Iceland that has discovered an unwanted friend this week,

1021
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Speaker 2: becoming the last country on earth to have mosquitoes. We've

1022
00:51:35,893 --> 00:51:38,613
Speaker 2: just discovered these yellow legged hornets in New Zealand and

1023
00:51:38,613 --> 00:51:40,253
Speaker 2: we thought who better to ask all about it than

1024
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Speaker 2: Rude climb pasted our man in the garden, so he'll

1025
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Speaker 2: give us the deats on that very shortly. As well

1026
00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,133
Speaker 2: as that. Another big change in the world of chat

1027
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Speaker 2: GPT and Generitive AI this week they've launched a web browser,

1028
00:51:53,533 --> 00:51:56,133
Speaker 2: so this is the sort of thing that might replace

1029
00:51:56,213 --> 00:51:59,293
Speaker 2: Google Chrome, at least that's what the team behind chat

1030
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Speaker 2: gpt were hoping. Our texpert has had a little bit

1031
00:52:02,373 --> 00:52:04,013
Speaker 2: of a play around with that, so he'll give us

1032
00:52:04,013 --> 00:52:06,253
Speaker 2: his verdict very soon. Next up, we've got your screen

1033
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:08,733
Speaker 2: time picks for this week. Three fantastic shows to watch

1034
00:52:08,733 --> 00:52:11,893
Speaker 2: your stream from the company your couch. It's just coming

1035
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Speaker 2: up to twenty past ten.

1036
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Speaker 1: Start your weekend off the right way. Saturday Morning with

1037
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Speaker 1: Jack Dame News Talks it be it.

1038
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Speaker 2: Is twenty two minutes past ten, which means it's screen

1039
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Speaker 2: time time. Our screen time expert is Tara Wards. She

1040
00:52:31,173 --> 00:52:33,693
Speaker 2: picks three shows that you can watch your stream at

1041
00:52:33,693 --> 00:52:36,093
Speaker 2: home for us every week. As she's here. Now get

1042
00:52:36,093 --> 00:52:39,533
Speaker 2: I Tara, good morning. Let's begin with a show streaming

1043
00:52:39,533 --> 00:52:43,573
Speaker 2: on Neon and Sky Open, a psychological thriller set in

1044
00:52:43,653 --> 00:52:46,533
Speaker 2: both Scotland and New Zealand. Tell Us about the Ridge.

1045
00:52:47,293 --> 00:52:49,773
Speaker 19: Yeah this is This is a co production between Sky

1046
00:52:49,813 --> 00:52:52,653
Speaker 19: New Zealand and BBCs Scotland. So it's a drama with

1047
00:52:52,733 --> 00:52:56,213
Speaker 19: two storylines running in Scotland and New Zealand and has

1048
00:52:56,213 --> 00:52:59,213
Speaker 19: an international cast and it stars Lauren Lyle who was

1049
00:52:59,213 --> 00:53:00,653
Speaker 19: in a great show I talked about a couple of

1050
00:53:00,653 --> 00:53:03,533
Speaker 19: months ago called Karen Perry and she is fantastic In

1051
00:53:03,573 --> 00:53:07,013
Speaker 19: this she plays a doctor, Mia Beaton, who is caught

1052
00:53:07,093 --> 00:53:10,653
Speaker 19: up in a medical drama in Glasgow, decides to escape

1053
00:53:10,693 --> 00:53:12,933
Speaker 19: and come to her sister's wedding in a small town

1054
00:53:13,013 --> 00:53:15,613
Speaker 19: in the South Island, and just before she's ready to leave,

1055
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Speaker 19: she gets a worrying phone message from her sister and

1056
00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:21,253
Speaker 19: by the time she lands in New Zealand, her sister

1057
00:53:21,333 --> 00:53:25,013
Speaker 19: is missing and then found dead, and Maya is quite

1058
00:53:25,053 --> 00:53:28,293
Speaker 19: sure that her sister's death wasn't an accident, and she

1059
00:53:28,333 --> 00:53:30,653
Speaker 19: decides to find out what really happened to her. And

1060
00:53:31,453 --> 00:53:33,293
Speaker 19: the thing about Mia is that she has her own

1061
00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:35,853
Speaker 19: demons to deal with. She's an addict, she's a bit

1062
00:53:35,893 --> 00:53:38,613
Speaker 19: of an anti hero, and this is where the psychological

1063
00:53:38,653 --> 00:53:40,933
Speaker 19: thriller aspect comes into it. In a lot of ways.

1064
00:53:41,613 --> 00:53:44,613
Speaker 19: The show sort of has that familiar murder mystery set

1065
00:53:44,693 --> 00:53:46,933
Speaker 19: up to it, but Mia starts to unravel the more

1066
00:53:47,013 --> 00:53:49,373
Speaker 19: that she digs into what was really going on in

1067
00:53:49,413 --> 00:53:51,573
Speaker 19: her sister's life and what's going on in this town.

1068
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Speaker 19: If you enjoyed the series The Gone, which was the

1069
00:53:55,013 --> 00:53:59,093
Speaker 19: New Zealand Irish drama, I think you'll enjoy this as well.

1070
00:53:59,133 --> 00:54:02,493
Speaker 19: It's got that similar kind of international storyline. It's set

1071
00:54:02,613 --> 00:54:05,293
Speaker 19: in a small town where everyone knows everyone and everyone

1072
00:54:05,373 --> 00:54:08,053
Speaker 19: is hiding something, and it's got that same kind of

1073
00:54:08,133 --> 00:54:12,013
Speaker 19: moody landscape atmosphere to it. And best of all, Neon

1074
00:54:12,053 --> 00:54:14,453
Speaker 19: has got all six episodes up now, which is great

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Speaker 19: news if you're looking for something to binge watch this

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Speaker 19: long holiday.

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, right, that's the ridge that's on Neon and

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00:54:20,933 --> 00:54:24,653
Speaker 2: on Sky Open as well. Next up on Netflix, Nobody

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Speaker 2: Wants This Yeah.

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Speaker 19: This is the second season of a very sharp and

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00:54:30,253 --> 00:54:34,053
Speaker 19: fast witted American romantic comedy. This stars Kristin Bell and

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00:54:34,133 --> 00:54:37,413
Speaker 19: Adam Brody, who play two very different people who meet

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00:54:37,493 --> 00:54:40,533
Speaker 19: and fall in love. Adam Brody plays Noah, who is

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00:54:40,533 --> 00:54:42,853
Speaker 19: a rabbi. He's just broken up with his girlfriend and

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00:54:42,933 --> 00:54:45,613
Speaker 19: his family just want him to find a nice Jewish

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00:54:45,613 --> 00:54:48,573
Speaker 19: girl to settle down with. And Kristin Bell plays Joanne,

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00:54:48,573 --> 00:54:52,053
Speaker 19: who is not religious. She makes a podcast about sex

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00:54:52,093 --> 00:54:56,253
Speaker 19: and relationships, and she is very cynical about love and romance.

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00:54:57,093 --> 00:54:58,973
Speaker 19: And they meet at in a party. There's an instant

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00:54:59,013 --> 00:55:02,653
Speaker 19: attraction and as with any good romco nothing is straightforward,

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00:55:02,813 --> 00:55:05,853
Speaker 19: nothing is simple, and they both have a lot of

1092
00:55:06,813 --> 00:55:10,093
Speaker 19: opinionated friends and family who are deeply involved in their

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00:55:10,093 --> 00:55:13,413
Speaker 19: lives as well. It's very charming. There's some great chemistry

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00:55:13,413 --> 00:55:15,773
Speaker 19: between Anna and Brody and Kristen Bell, and the dialogue

1095
00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:19,173
Speaker 19: is really fast and punchy, and I like that it's funny,

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00:55:19,173 --> 00:55:22,053
Speaker 19: but it's also quite warm and emotional and nice to

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00:55:22,093 --> 00:55:25,093
Speaker 19: just sort of escape into something that has embraced a really.

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Speaker 11: Well known genre.

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00:55:25,733 --> 00:55:28,773
Speaker 19: Like the long rom com but is still full of surprises.

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Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Okay, that's nobody wants. This is on Netflix

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00:55:32,053 --> 00:55:34,693
Speaker 2: and the Legend of Crocodile Dundee.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: I know this is quite a niche show to end

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00:55:38,093 --> 00:55:39,693
Speaker 19: on today, but I thought a lot of listeners will

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00:55:39,693 --> 00:55:43,253
Speaker 19: remember those Crocodile Dundee movies and could be interested in

1106
00:55:43,293 --> 00:55:46,053
Speaker 19: this documentary which is screening on tvanz in one tonight.

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00:55:47,053 --> 00:55:49,493
Speaker 19: This is a documentary movie made by a woman named

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Speaker 19: Delvin Delaney, who was married to John Cornell, who was

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00:55:53,613 --> 00:55:56,373
Speaker 19: best friends with Paul Hogan, and together they made the

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Speaker 19: Crocodile Dundee movie in the mid eighties. And so rather

1111
00:55:59,933 --> 00:56:02,293
Speaker 19: than this being an objective look at the Crocodile Dundee

1112
00:56:02,293 --> 00:56:06,053
Speaker 19: film itself, it's more of a personal, behind the scenes

1113
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:10,053
Speaker 19: storeorry about friendship and love and how these best friends

1114
00:56:10,053 --> 00:56:12,093
Speaker 19: decided one day in the eighties to make a movie

1115
00:56:12,133 --> 00:56:14,973
Speaker 19: in the outback about a guy called mc dundee, and

1116
00:56:15,053 --> 00:56:18,613
Speaker 19: how it went on to become this huge worldwide phenomenon.

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00:56:19,253 --> 00:56:22,213
Speaker 19: In nineteen eighty six, it made forty seven million dollars

1118
00:56:22,213 --> 00:56:24,293
Speaker 19: at the box office, and forty years on it's still

1119
00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:28,693
Speaker 19: Australia's biggest grossing movie of all time. Yeah, so this

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Speaker 19: documentary is almost like a snapshot of that moment in

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00:56:31,373 --> 00:56:34,053
Speaker 19: time and the mid eighties in Australia. It's a story

1122
00:56:34,053 --> 00:56:36,733
Speaker 19: of the underdog, and you know, forty years on there

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Speaker 19: are aspects of that movie that probably haven't aged necessarily well.

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00:56:40,493 --> 00:56:43,933
Speaker 19: But this gives you quite a personal and nostalgic insight

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Speaker 19: into the story behind the film and the relationships that

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Speaker 19: were wrapped around it and the legacy that it had.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic. Okay, cool, that sounds really goods So that's a

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Speaker 2: legend of Crocodile Dundee. It's on TV and Z Plus

1129
00:56:54,213 --> 00:56:57,213
Speaker 2: and TV and Z one. Nobody wants This is on

1130
00:56:57,253 --> 00:57:00,613
Speaker 2: Netflix and the Ridge is on Neon and Sky Open.

1131
00:57:00,653 --> 00:57:03,733
Speaker 2: Thank you for your Texas Morning Jack loved John Boyeger

1132
00:57:03,773 --> 00:57:04,613
Speaker 2: and Star Wars.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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00:57:05,493 --> 00:57:09,933
Speaker 2: One question this morning, does Greenland have mosquitoes? Says Matthew. Yeah,

1135
00:57:09,973 --> 00:57:12,693
Speaker 2: I was interested to see this week that Iceland has

1136
00:57:12,733 --> 00:57:15,813
Speaker 2: become the last country on Earth to have mosquitoes. I've

1137
00:57:15,813 --> 00:57:19,853
Speaker 2: double checked that, Yes, Greenland does have mosquitoes, Matthew. The

1138
00:57:19,893 --> 00:57:23,093
Speaker 2: only place that now doesn't have mosquitoes is Antarctica. But

1139
00:57:23,173 --> 00:57:26,453
Speaker 2: Antarctica is a continent, not a country. So yeah, Iceland's

1140
00:57:26,453 --> 00:57:29,573
Speaker 2: become the last country on Earth to get mosquitoes. To

1141
00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:31,813
Speaker 2: confirm mosquitos, apparently, one of the big problems is you've

1142
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:35,013
Speaker 2: got to have resting water, but resting water that isn't frozen.

1143
00:57:35,253 --> 00:57:37,653
Speaker 2: So it's right down in the south of Iceland, south

1144
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:41,253
Speaker 2: of Raykovic, where they've discovered these mosquitoes. There you go,

1145
00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:42,893
Speaker 2: twenty eight minutes past ten.

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Speaker 9: Getting your weekends started. It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team

1147
00:57:51,213 --> 00:58:05,493
Speaker 9: on News TALKSB.

1148
00:58:14,613 --> 00:58:18,133
Speaker 2: That is, of course Lily Allen. She's a ground breaking

1149
00:58:18,293 --> 00:58:22,013
Speaker 2: force in pop music. But it's been almost nineteen years

1150
00:58:22,053 --> 00:58:25,613
Speaker 2: now since her defiant debut album, and her musical influence

1151
00:58:25,653 --> 00:58:31,213
Speaker 2: on the current generation of conversational kind of joyously messy

1152
00:58:31,293 --> 00:58:35,373
Speaker 2: pop stars is undeniable. It's seven years, though, since we

1153
00:58:35,613 --> 00:58:38,973
Speaker 2: last heard anything from Lily in the music sense. She's

1154
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:41,013
Speaker 2: got a podcast and she's doing a few other bits

1155
00:58:41,053 --> 00:58:45,013
Speaker 2: and pieces, so she's remained culturally present in different ways.

1156
00:58:45,773 --> 00:58:49,013
Speaker 2: She's published a memoir, she's acted in a West End

1157
00:58:49,093 --> 00:58:52,693
Speaker 2: stage production. She's defended the position of NEPO babies and

1158
00:58:52,893 --> 00:58:56,453
Speaker 2: entertainment industries have been plasted on tabloid covers from here

1159
00:58:56,493 --> 00:58:59,173
Speaker 2: to there while going through a bit of divorce. But

1160
00:58:59,893 --> 00:59:03,413
Speaker 2: Lily is finally ready to return to pop. Her brand

1161
00:59:03,453 --> 00:59:07,573
Speaker 2: new album is called west End Girl, and after her

1162
00:59:07,653 --> 00:59:10,093
Speaker 2: last album, The One seven years ago, she's being titled

1163
00:59:10,093 --> 00:59:12,333
Speaker 2: the Queen of the Comeback. This has come like her

1164
00:59:12,373 --> 00:59:15,293
Speaker 2: second comeback album in a sense. Our music review is

1165
00:59:15,293 --> 00:59:17,053
Speaker 2: given a listen, and it's going to be with us

1166
00:59:17,053 --> 00:59:19,613
Speaker 2: before midday to day to share a couple of those

1167
00:59:19,693 --> 00:59:22,853
Speaker 2: songs and give us all the deats before eleven o'clock.

1168
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Speaker 2: We're in the garden. We've got your wine pick for

1169
00:59:24,533 --> 00:59:26,933
Speaker 2: this weekend as well. Next up, though, we are looking

1170
00:59:26,933 --> 00:59:29,813
Speaker 2: at some big changes to chat GPT. They've just launched

1171
00:59:29,853 --> 00:59:33,373
Speaker 2: a chat GPT browser. The way I have been using

1172
00:59:33,933 --> 00:59:38,013
Speaker 2: AI and am increasingly using AI is as a search tool,

1173
00:59:38,253 --> 00:59:40,613
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like it as a default Google

1174
00:59:40,693 --> 00:59:44,413
Speaker 2: for me. So I'm very interested to see if replacing

1175
00:59:44,893 --> 00:59:48,653
Speaker 2: the likes of Google Chrome with a chat GPT browser

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00:59:48,893 --> 00:59:51,573
Speaker 2: could be my future as well. Our textbits here in

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00:59:51,573 --> 00:59:54,253
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes twenty eight minutes to eleven.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 11: When I read the headline this morning, a defining moment

1180
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:03,293
Speaker 11: in our history, is it?

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01:00:03,373 --> 01:00:05,173
Speaker 3: I don't see it that way at all. I said

1182
01:00:05,173 --> 01:00:09,013
Speaker 3: it as a moment where accumulated frustration was expressed. Those

1183
01:00:09,013 --> 01:00:12,053
Speaker 3: messages have been sent many times. We've heard them. It

1184
01:00:12,093 --> 01:00:14,933
Speaker 3: doesn't solve anything. Getting back and finding our way forward

1185
01:00:15,053 --> 01:00:16,893
Speaker 3: is the only way to get through this, and we

1186
01:00:17,053 --> 01:00:19,253
Speaker 3: both parties have to be able to do it. We've

1187
01:00:19,253 --> 01:00:21,573
Speaker 3: actually achieved settlements, so we know that we can do it.

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01:00:21,693 --> 01:00:24,053
Speaker 3: We just need the unions to see it the same way.

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01:00:24,213 --> 01:00:27,133
Speaker 3: We need to make trade offs. I've made significant trade offs.

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Speaker 3: They need to come to the party and be prepared

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01:00:29,773 --> 01:00:31,853
Speaker 3: to make trade offs. I have not seen that yet.

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Speaker 20: Back Tuesday from six am the mic asking Breakfast with

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01:00:35,533 --> 01:00:37,133
Speaker 20: a Veda News talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: You know how there's a smart everything these days. You

1195
01:00:41,573 --> 01:00:44,213
Speaker 2: can get like a smart toothbrush. You can get a

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01:00:44,253 --> 01:00:47,773
Speaker 2: smart bed or a smart mattress. So it's a mattress

1197
01:00:47,773 --> 01:00:50,653
Speaker 2: that tracks your sleep habits and that can heat up

1198
01:00:50,693 --> 01:00:53,133
Speaker 2: and cool down and do various bits and pieces. But

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Speaker 2: users of these eight that's the name of the brand,

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01:00:55,613 --> 01:00:59,493
Speaker 2: eight sleep smart mattresses had a bit of a rough week.

1201
01:00:59,973 --> 01:01:01,733
Speaker 2: Some of them were woken up when their mattresses got

1202
01:01:01,733 --> 01:01:04,453
Speaker 2: really hot, and other ones the mattresses started sitting up

1203
01:01:04,493 --> 01:01:06,893
Speaker 2: and changing their positioning even though they did want them to.

1204
01:01:06,933 --> 01:01:10,533
Speaker 2: And it all came down to a fault with Amazon

1205
01:01:10,613 --> 01:01:14,573
Speaker 2: Web Services. So these web services that provide kind of

1206
01:01:15,133 --> 01:01:20,973
Speaker 2: infrastructure cloud infrastructure for lots of different products and websites

1207
01:01:21,013 --> 01:01:23,653
Speaker 2: around the world went down during the week, which had

1208
01:01:23,693 --> 01:01:27,693
Speaker 2: all sorts of unintended consequences. Our Textbert Paustinehouse has all

1209
01:01:27,693 --> 01:01:29,293
Speaker 2: the details for us. Paul, you don't have one of

1210
01:01:29,293 --> 01:01:31,573
Speaker 2: those fancy mattresses, do you that turned out not to

1211
01:01:31,613 --> 01:01:33,333
Speaker 2: be quite as smart as you might have hoped.

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Speaker 8: I don't, But I have to say, Jack, the enthusiasm

1213
01:01:37,213 --> 01:01:39,893
Speaker 8: in your voice talking about that was a little telling.

1214
01:01:40,253 --> 01:01:41,693
Speaker 12: Well, I don't know.

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01:01:41,893 --> 01:01:43,613
Speaker 2: I mean some things like do you really need to

1216
01:01:43,653 --> 01:01:45,893
Speaker 2: does everything need to be smart? Does everything need to

1217
01:01:45,893 --> 01:01:49,413
Speaker 2: be connected? It's just it's funny, right, Like, look, it's funny.

1218
01:01:49,533 --> 01:01:52,413
Speaker 8: But there was a problem where people had smart homes

1219
01:01:52,933 --> 01:01:56,733
Speaker 8: and with smart locks, smart keys, and they couldn't get

1220
01:01:56,733 --> 01:01:57,693
Speaker 8: into their homes.

1221
01:01:58,013 --> 01:01:59,013
Speaker 13: So that was a problem.

1222
01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:03,413
Speaker 8: Yes, but no, Look, here's the one thing that it says, right,

1223
01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:05,053
Speaker 8: I mean, the thing you have to remember about the

1224
01:02:05,093 --> 01:02:07,933
Speaker 8: cloud is it's not mythical, it's not magical. It's someone

1225
01:02:08,013 --> 01:02:11,773
Speaker 8: else's server that they maintain. You're renting a server effectively,

1226
01:02:12,533 --> 01:02:15,453
Speaker 8: and it really does show that, you know, a lot

1227
01:02:15,533 --> 01:02:18,133
Speaker 8: of people are renting these service. Fun fact for you,

1228
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Speaker 8: did you know Amazon's stock while they were having fourteen

1229
01:02:21,453 --> 01:02:25,053
Speaker 8: hours of downtime, This stock popped on that day. It

1230
01:02:25,093 --> 01:02:27,533
Speaker 8: was up like three percent to one, and I yes,

1231
01:02:27,773 --> 01:02:29,573
Speaker 8: it didn't go down, and I think it's because it

1232
01:02:29,613 --> 01:02:33,373
Speaker 8: really shows that there is such a reliance on these services. Right,

1233
01:02:33,373 --> 01:02:35,413
Speaker 8: we've gone all in on the cloud. It's been the

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01:02:35,493 --> 01:02:39,053
Speaker 8: talking point in corporate America certainly for the past ten years.

1235
01:02:39,093 --> 01:02:41,093
Speaker 8: Get your cloud, it's cheaper, don't have to maintain it,

1236
01:02:41,133 --> 01:02:42,653
Speaker 8: all this stuff. Well, we've moved the cloud and now

1237
01:02:42,693 --> 01:02:47,253
Speaker 8: we've got some failover issues. But what was really interesting

1238
01:02:47,253 --> 01:02:50,813
Speaker 8: about this one was it's kind of like Amazon uses

1239
01:02:50,893 --> 01:02:54,293
Speaker 8: Amazon's own services to run other Amazon services, and that

1240
01:02:54,453 --> 01:02:55,293
Speaker 8: was what the big.

1241
01:02:55,093 --> 01:02:57,013
Speaker 13: Issue was this week.

1242
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Speaker 8: So there's a database server, a service called Dynamo DBA.

1243
01:03:01,133 --> 01:03:02,933
Speaker 8: I won't boy you with the details of it, but

1244
01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:07,053
Speaker 8: what effectively happened was the IP addresses of all of

1245
01:03:07,093 --> 01:03:10,933
Speaker 8: the Dynamo dbs and the Virginia data center known as

1246
01:03:11,093 --> 01:03:16,173
Speaker 8: US East one were lost. They were removed so well,

1247
01:03:16,213 --> 01:03:19,093
Speaker 8: that basically means is you've got a phone book, but

1248
01:03:19,293 --> 01:03:21,293
Speaker 8: all of the phone numbers have been removed from the

1249
01:03:21,293 --> 01:03:22,453
Speaker 8: phone books, so you don't.

1250
01:03:22,253 --> 01:03:23,773
Speaker 13: Know anyone's phone numbers anymore.

1251
01:03:25,053 --> 01:03:28,293
Speaker 8: But the problem is is that all the other Amazon services,

1252
01:03:28,573 --> 01:03:30,693
Speaker 8: they actually need the numbers in the phone book to

1253
01:03:30,733 --> 01:03:32,533
Speaker 8: operate all of their own services.

1254
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Speaker 13: So taking down this one database.

1255
01:03:35,973 --> 01:03:39,133
Speaker 8: Cluster, which is a problem in and upon itself, right,

1256
01:03:39,253 --> 01:03:43,373
Speaker 8: like losing entire access to a service that you sell as.

1257
01:03:43,333 --> 01:03:46,773
Speaker 13: Bad one, but two all of these other services.

1258
01:03:46,813 --> 01:03:48,613
Speaker 8: I think at one point there was something like twenty

1259
01:03:48,693 --> 01:03:52,333
Speaker 8: five different Amazon services that were down because they all

1260
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Speaker 8: relied on this one service.

1261
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Speaker 13: Luster, which is just incredible.

1262
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Speaker 2: It's amazing when something like one domino basically is what

1263
01:04:01,533 --> 01:04:05,333
Speaker 2: you're telling us, one domino complex terms, but one domino

1264
01:04:05,533 --> 01:04:08,413
Speaker 2: falls and then next minute you've woken up in the

1265
01:04:08,453 --> 01:04:09,973
Speaker 2: middle of the night because your smart bed's trying to

1266
01:04:09,973 --> 01:04:15,213
Speaker 2: follow itself in half. Hey, chat gpt has launched a browser,

1267
01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:18,133
Speaker 2: so open Ai, the company behind chat gptev but pursuing

1268
01:04:18,173 --> 01:04:20,853
Speaker 2: a few different products and tools and things lately, but

1269
01:04:20,933 --> 01:04:23,613
Speaker 2: now they've launched an internet browser. So if you have

1270
01:04:23,653 --> 01:04:26,413
Speaker 2: Google Chrome or Safari or something like that on your computer,

1271
01:04:26,493 --> 01:04:27,653
Speaker 2: this is designed to compete.

1272
01:04:28,853 --> 01:04:31,573
Speaker 8: It is and I'm full of fun facts today, But

1273
01:04:31,613 --> 01:04:36,493
Speaker 8: another fun fact, the open Ai browser is effectively using

1274
01:04:36,493 --> 01:04:40,813
Speaker 8: the same technology as Google Chrome. Google actually make it

1275
01:04:40,853 --> 01:04:42,973
Speaker 8: open source and you can build browsers on top of it.

1276
01:04:43,013 --> 01:04:45,653
Speaker 8: So it's a little bit kind of amusing the people

1277
01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:48,373
Speaker 8: who want to go and take down Google and take

1278
01:04:48,413 --> 01:04:51,253
Speaker 8: all of your attention away from Google searches is using

1279
01:04:51,853 --> 01:04:55,093
Speaker 8: Google funded technology from Google Search and Google.

1280
01:04:54,813 --> 01:04:59,213
Speaker 13: Ads to then create their own things. Yeah, right, that aside.

1281
01:05:00,013 --> 01:05:02,813
Speaker 8: Yes, So what they're doing is they're baking chat GPT

1282
01:05:03,213 --> 01:05:06,213
Speaker 8: in into the browser. So when you first open it

1283
01:05:06,293 --> 01:05:08,653
Speaker 8: up up, instead of typically seeing what we've all seen

1284
01:05:08,733 --> 01:05:12,373
Speaker 8: for the past twenty odd years, the beautiful Google Search bar,

1285
01:05:12,933 --> 01:05:16,573
Speaker 8: you now see a chat GPT box and you can

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Speaker 8: start typing into that instead of your Google Search, and

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01:05:20,853 --> 01:05:22,893
Speaker 8: you can ask it questions, you can ask it to

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01:05:22,893 --> 01:05:24,853
Speaker 8: find information, you can ask it to go to websites,

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01:05:24,893 --> 01:05:27,373
Speaker 8: all those types of things. But it's also got a

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01:05:27,413 --> 01:05:30,373
Speaker 8: sort of side panel, so when you're browsing to a website,

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Speaker 8: you can then say, like chat about this website with

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01:05:34,013 --> 01:05:36,493
Speaker 8: chat GPT, so it takes all the context of that

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01:05:36,653 --> 01:05:39,253
Speaker 8: page and it can even start to do actions.

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Speaker 13: Now I tried it.

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01:05:40,813 --> 01:05:42,733
Speaker 8: I was hoping it was going to be quite exciting,

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01:05:42,773 --> 01:05:45,573
Speaker 8: but it let me down twice. The first time I

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01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:47,933
Speaker 8: was trying to get it to give me, I was like, okay,

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01:05:47,973 --> 01:05:50,893
Speaker 8: give me a summary of the day's news from CNN

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01:05:50,973 --> 01:05:53,053
Speaker 8: or the New York Times, and both of those websites

1300
01:05:53,053 --> 01:05:54,813
Speaker 8: were restricted and it said I'm not allowed to do it.

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01:05:54,853 --> 01:05:58,373
Speaker 13: So I was like, okay, well, that was frustrating. Good

1302
01:05:58,653 --> 01:06:00,213
Speaker 13: for seeing in good for the New York Times that they.

1303
01:06:00,253 --> 01:06:02,653
Speaker 8: Started to block chat GPT, but I was like, that

1304
01:06:02,733 --> 01:06:04,613
Speaker 8: was annoying for me as a person trying to use

1305
01:06:04,653 --> 01:06:05,293
Speaker 8: it anyway.

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01:06:05,373 --> 01:06:06,973
Speaker 13: Second of all, I thought, okay, let's see if we

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01:06:06,973 --> 01:06:07,733
Speaker 13: can really test it.

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01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:10,093
Speaker 8: I'm going to ask it to draft me an email

1309
01:06:10,253 --> 01:06:12,813
Speaker 8: and then get it ready in my Gmail because it

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01:06:12,813 --> 01:06:13,653
Speaker 8: can do these actions.

1311
01:06:13,733 --> 01:06:13,893
Speaker 11: Right.

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01:06:13,893 --> 01:06:15,813
Speaker 8: It says it can take over and it can you know,

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01:06:15,853 --> 01:06:19,093
Speaker 8: effectively work the screen like a user could, right, And

1314
01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:22,053
Speaker 8: it wrote the email just like it wouldn't Chat GBT.

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01:06:22,733 --> 01:06:25,573
Speaker 8: But then it asked me so many times for permissions

1316
01:06:25,613 --> 01:06:26,613
Speaker 8: to do this and open it.

1317
01:06:26,613 --> 01:06:27,293
Speaker 13: Up here and do this.

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01:06:27,653 --> 01:06:29,213
Speaker 8: It would have just been easier for me to copy

1319
01:06:29,253 --> 01:06:32,733
Speaker 8: and paste it into Gmail directly. So I will say

1320
01:06:33,053 --> 01:06:38,013
Speaker 8: I was left a little bit disappointed underworld in the browser.

1321
01:06:38,253 --> 01:06:39,813
Speaker 13: And look, I have to say this too.

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01:06:39,853 --> 01:06:42,453
Speaker 8: I mean, the US is a really big Apple market, right,

1323
01:06:42,573 --> 01:06:45,573
Speaker 8: huge with the iphone're huge with the MacBook, and so

1324
01:06:45,613 --> 01:06:47,973
Speaker 8: they've actually launched this only for Mac at the moment,

1325
01:06:48,373 --> 01:06:50,293
Speaker 8: So if you have a Windows computer at the moment,

1326
01:06:50,573 --> 01:06:51,453
Speaker 8: you're out of luck.

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Speaker 2: You can't even try the check. Okay, it sounds like

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01:06:53,413 --> 01:06:56,573
Speaker 2: it's not that not that impressive. See, I've found it's

1329
01:06:56,573 --> 01:06:59,253
Speaker 2: interesting how it's only once you really play around with

1330
01:06:59,293 --> 01:07:00,973
Speaker 2: these things and kind of get into a habit that

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01:07:01,013 --> 01:07:04,453
Speaker 2: it goes from being you know, like a bit of

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01:07:04,493 --> 01:07:07,173
Speaker 2: a quirk quirky sort of party trail or something, a

1333
01:07:07,173 --> 01:07:09,173
Speaker 2: bit of a novelty. You know, it takes a bit

1334
01:07:09,173 --> 01:07:11,133
Speaker 2: of time to work out exactly if you can use

1335
01:07:11,173 --> 01:07:12,853
Speaker 2: these and kind of integrate them as part of your

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Speaker 2: daily life. I use chat, GPT heaps as a kind

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01:07:17,893 --> 01:07:21,413
Speaker 2: of search tool, like I'm I'm asking it questions that

1338
01:07:21,453 --> 01:07:23,133
Speaker 2: once I would have used Google, and it's you know,

1339
01:07:23,173 --> 01:07:27,933
Speaker 2: I can only imagine that Google's traffic has been significantly

1340
01:07:27,973 --> 01:07:31,293
Speaker 2: impacted by chat GPT, But the fact that the browser

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01:07:31,613 --> 01:07:34,013
Speaker 2: hasn't quite nailed it yet is kind of intriguing.

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01:07:34,573 --> 01:07:36,293
Speaker 13: I mean, it can do that stuff. I guess I

1343
01:07:36,333 --> 01:07:38,213
Speaker 13: was trying to really take it through its paces.

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01:07:38,293 --> 01:07:40,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. I mean that's like you've got to

1345
01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:41,973
Speaker 2: have a reason that you would move away from your

1346
01:07:42,053 --> 01:07:45,173
Speaker 2: current system, right, correct. And it sounds like if it's

1347
01:07:45,173 --> 01:07:48,333
Speaker 2: blocked from those major websites, then that in itself is

1348
01:07:48,413 --> 01:07:50,373
Speaker 2: kind of a reason not to be using it.

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Speaker 13: It's kind of annoying.

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01:07:51,333 --> 01:07:51,573
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:07:51,613 --> 01:07:53,293
Speaker 8: Well, I will say the thing that I find with

1352
01:07:53,373 --> 01:07:55,493
Speaker 8: this AI stuff is if you get it to generate

1353
01:07:55,533 --> 01:07:58,733
Speaker 8: something and you don't know that what the outcome is

1354
01:07:58,773 --> 01:08:02,413
Speaker 8: supposed to be, it's incredible, right because you can't verify

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01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:03,453
Speaker 8: it the moment you try.

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Speaker 13: I found personally if.

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01:08:04,733 --> 01:08:06,453
Speaker 8: You try to use it for something where you know

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01:08:06,533 --> 01:08:10,093
Speaker 8: what the outcomes should be, and you've say you've given

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01:08:10,133 --> 01:08:13,293
Speaker 8: it some documents and you're saying, hey, summarize this, or

1360
01:08:13,333 --> 01:08:15,133
Speaker 8: take some values from a spreadsheet, or do whatever it

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01:08:15,173 --> 01:08:17,333
Speaker 8: is trying to do, and then those values and things

1362
01:08:17,333 --> 01:08:20,933
Speaker 8: aren't in the output. It's like, okay, can I trust

1363
01:08:20,933 --> 01:08:22,493
Speaker 8: it with the stuff that I thought I could trust?

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01:08:22,693 --> 01:08:22,933
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:08:23,293 --> 01:08:24,973
Speaker 13: That to me is where I'm like, Okay, maybe I

1366
01:08:24,973 --> 01:08:26,573
Speaker 13: shouldn't be using it as a research tool.

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01:08:26,613 --> 01:08:28,053
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, but as long as it gives me.

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01:08:28,013 --> 01:08:29,453
Speaker 8: The links I can then click on and go and

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01:08:29,533 --> 01:08:31,173
Speaker 8: verify the information I'm usually okay with.

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Speaker 2: Then you have bet Yeah, very interesting. Hey, thanks Paul.

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Speaker 2: We will let you get back to sleep on your

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Speaker 2: smart snoozer, ball Stairhouse our text. But there seventeen to

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Speaker 2: eleven non news talks.

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Speaker 4: You'd be no.

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01:08:42,933 --> 01:08:45,853
Speaker 1: Better way to kick off your weekend. Then quit with

1376
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:49,253
Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team.

1377
01:08:49,253 --> 01:08:52,973
Speaker 2: News Talk said, be accord to eleven non news talks.

1378
01:08:52,973 --> 01:08:54,853
Speaker 2: I'd be after eleven o'clock. We have some really interesting

1379
01:08:54,893 --> 01:08:57,293
Speaker 2: research to share with you that shows that listening to

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01:08:57,413 --> 01:09:01,533
Speaker 2: birds can be effective in treating depression. So it seems

1381
01:09:01,573 --> 01:09:03,413
Speaker 2: like one of those kind of it seems like a

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01:09:03,453 --> 01:09:05,893
Speaker 2: quaint little thing, right, But if you specific actually step

1383
01:09:05,893 --> 01:09:09,413
Speaker 2: back and think it, think about your own experience and

1384
01:09:09,453 --> 01:09:12,053
Speaker 2: how nice it is to actually pause and be present

1385
01:09:12,093 --> 01:09:15,573
Speaker 2: listening to birdshong, you can understand that, right, You can

1386
01:09:15,573 --> 01:09:17,813
Speaker 2: see that it might be effective for people who are

1387
01:09:17,813 --> 01:09:19,653
Speaker 2: experiencing depressions. So anyway, I'm going to give you the

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01:09:19,733 --> 01:09:23,653
Speaker 2: details on that very soon. Indeed, right now though, it

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Speaker 2: is time for your wine pick of the weekend. Master

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01:09:26,493 --> 01:09:31,053
Speaker 2: Somalier Cameron Douglas has chosen an Immigrants vineyard Ruru tinkering

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Speaker 2: sparkling method traditionale from Central Otago and he's with us

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01:09:36,813 --> 01:09:38,413
Speaker 2: this morning. Hi, Cameron, how are you doing.

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01:09:39,013 --> 01:09:41,213
Speaker 11: Yeah, good morning, I'm doing well. Thank you very much.

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01:09:41,253 --> 01:09:41,853
Speaker 11: Good to be back.

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01:09:41,933 --> 01:09:43,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, good to be speaking with you. So tell us

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01:09:43,773 --> 01:09:49,293
Speaker 2: about the Ruru tinkering Immigrants vinyard sparkling method Traditionale.

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Speaker 11: My pleasure. You know, in New Zealand there's about seven

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01:09:53,653 --> 01:09:56,333
Speaker 11: hundred and forty wine producers and around two thirds of

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01:09:56,333 --> 01:10:00,493
Speaker 11: them classified bespoke small produced less than two hundred thousand

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Speaker 11: liters of wine a year, and Immigrants vineyard Rurdu wines

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01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:12,373
Speaker 11: most definitely bespoke. And it's a lovely background story of

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01:10:13,573 --> 01:10:16,493
Speaker 11: Lucy and Roland moving to New Zealand from the Netherlands

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01:10:16,533 --> 01:10:19,893
Speaker 11: and the mid eighties, and ultimately, after some time in

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01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:24,493
Speaker 11: hospitality and family and so on, they decided to take

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01:10:24,493 --> 01:10:27,653
Speaker 11: a leap of faith into Central Otago and wine growing

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01:10:27,693 --> 01:10:30,773
Speaker 11: and wine making. And they're very very good at it.

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01:10:30,813 --> 01:10:35,253
Speaker 11: By the way, this wine is made from one hundred

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01:10:35,253 --> 01:10:37,933
Speaker 11: percent pen and wi fruit. So it's method traditional bottle

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01:10:37,973 --> 01:10:43,853
Speaker 11: fermented wine, and it delivers this lovely sort of leazy

1410
01:10:43,933 --> 01:10:49,733
Speaker 11: autolysis quality, framing flavors of oatmeal and apple and grapefruit

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01:10:49,773 --> 01:10:51,933
Speaker 11: and white peach. But I think one of the best

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Speaker 11: things about the wine is that it's got this lovely

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01:10:53,933 --> 01:10:59,173
Speaker 11: crunchy texture and the soft, moose fine bubble about it.

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01:10:59,213 --> 01:11:02,613
Speaker 11: So it really is quite delicious, A good tinkering wine

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01:11:02,653 --> 01:11:05,013
Speaker 11: to saber while steer watching bird song.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, sounds amazing. So the wine itself is

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01:11:08,693 --> 01:11:11,213
Speaker 2: made with pen and no fruit, right, Can you tell

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01:11:11,253 --> 01:11:12,613
Speaker 2: us a little bit about that process.

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01:11:13,493 --> 01:11:18,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, So, essentially, because there are bespoke vineyard everything is

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01:11:18,373 --> 01:11:20,853
Speaker 11: hand harvested, and what you have to do to make

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01:11:20,893 --> 01:11:23,333
Speaker 11: a white wine out of red fruit is you press

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01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:26,973
Speaker 11: that juice out of the grapes as quickly as possible,

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01:11:27,053 --> 01:11:30,493
Speaker 11: so you've got little to no skin contact, and then

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01:11:30,573 --> 01:11:34,173
Speaker 11: you essentially make a white pen and war and then

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01:11:34,213 --> 01:11:37,733
Speaker 11: you pop it back into another bottle and referment it

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01:11:37,773 --> 01:11:40,133
Speaker 11: to create the bubble. So it goes through a second

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01:11:40,173 --> 01:11:44,253
Speaker 11: ferment in the bottle, and this gives it that sort

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01:11:44,253 --> 01:11:48,933
Speaker 11: of that soft plush moosy character, but it doesn't compromise

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01:11:49,053 --> 01:11:52,253
Speaker 11: on any fruit concentration, so it's more of the white

1430
01:11:52,853 --> 01:11:57,253
Speaker 11: flesh fruits like grapefruit and peach that come on the palate.

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Speaker 11: But then it's framed by this lovely acid line because

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Speaker 11: you need that, and Central Otago has lots of natural

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01:12:06,053 --> 01:12:10,533
Speaker 11: acid giving environment characteristics. But it's a wine of great

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01:12:10,533 --> 01:12:14,013
Speaker 11: weight and length and something to enjoy really this year

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01:12:14,053 --> 01:12:14,733
Speaker 11: before Christmas.

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01:12:14,733 --> 01:12:17,493
Speaker 2: Frankly, what would you mention it with if if you're

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01:12:17,533 --> 01:12:18,133
Speaker 2: doing that.

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Speaker 11: Well, one of the default matches with a sparkling wine

1439
01:12:22,213 --> 01:12:26,973
Speaker 11: is oysters or mussels off the barbecue or you fish

1440
01:12:26,973 --> 01:12:30,133
Speaker 11: them up eat them raw. But for people who aren't

1441
01:12:30,173 --> 01:12:33,453
Speaker 11: into seafood like that, one of the best matches I've

1442
01:12:33,493 --> 01:12:36,133
Speaker 11: ever had in my life is like the soft boiled

1443
01:12:36,173 --> 01:12:39,973
Speaker 11: egg with caviat on top, So it gives you the

1444
01:12:40,013 --> 01:12:44,613
Speaker 11: salt hit and richness and saltiness and food and sparkling

1445
01:12:44,653 --> 01:12:48,493
Speaker 11: wine really do work quite well together. It's exotic, but

1446
01:12:48,693 --> 01:12:49,853
Speaker 11: such a lot of fun.

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01:12:50,093 --> 01:12:52,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh sounds fantastic. Okay, you've got a book to

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01:12:52,493 --> 01:12:56,573
Speaker 2: recommend for us too, there, I do Champagne as Chandeliers.

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01:12:57,293 --> 01:13:01,333
Speaker 11: Yeah, this is such a great coffee table book. It's

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01:13:01,373 --> 01:13:04,653
Speaker 11: a big, heavy book and it looks at the world

1451
01:13:04,733 --> 01:13:08,773
Speaker 11: of champagne and all the imagery has chandeliers in it.

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01:13:09,533 --> 01:13:12,773
Speaker 11: But the essence of the book is all of these

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01:13:12,893 --> 01:13:17,693
Speaker 11: recipes or menus, very famous menus serve too, you know,

1454
01:13:17,813 --> 01:13:22,133
Speaker 11: lords and ladies of the past and present and what

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01:13:22,333 --> 01:13:26,493
Speaker 11: they paired the champagnes with. So it's a great visual

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01:13:26,613 --> 01:13:31,133
Speaker 11: read and recipe ideas for serving sparkling wine.

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01:13:31,453 --> 01:13:35,373
Speaker 2: It's fantastic, per okay. So that's called champagne and chandeliers

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01:13:35,373 --> 01:13:38,493
Speaker 2: and camerons. Wine for us this week comes from Immigrants Vineyard,

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01:13:38,813 --> 01:13:43,973
Speaker 2: the Ruru Tinketing emirateds Vineyard sparkling method traditionale from Central Otago.

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01:13:44,053 --> 01:13:45,693
Speaker 2: We'll make sure that there's a link to that wine

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01:13:45,773 --> 01:13:47,973
Speaker 2: up on the news Dogs website. We're in the garden

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Speaker 2: next ten to eleven on news doorgs'd.

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Speaker 9: Be gardening with steel Sharp's battery system kits get a

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01:13:54,013 --> 01:13:55,293
Speaker 9: second battery half price.

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01:13:55,613 --> 01:13:58,493
Speaker 2: Roote climb passes our man in the garden. He's here

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01:13:58,533 --> 01:13:59,893
Speaker 2: this morning, Amari.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, sir, many have you become an entomologist?

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01:14:04,813 --> 01:14:07,293
Speaker 2: I knew you'd be loving the bug content morning. So

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01:14:07,733 --> 01:14:10,533
Speaker 2: have you ever come across. I was going through my

1470
01:14:10,773 --> 01:14:13,293
Speaker 2: bad at Chibad experiences. I mean, you've got your SAand flies.

1471
01:14:13,573 --> 01:14:15,973
Speaker 2: So first of all, sand flies, do you build up

1472
01:14:15,973 --> 01:14:18,173
Speaker 2: a resistance? Do they stop binding you after two days?

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01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:19,173
Speaker 18: No?

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01:14:19,493 --> 01:14:22,293
Speaker 7: There are thirteen species of sand flies. Two are the

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01:14:22,293 --> 01:14:25,853
Speaker 7: ones that like people, and those two know exactly where

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01:14:25,853 --> 01:14:26,173
Speaker 7: you are.

1477
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:28,773
Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm convinced that even if you've been on

1478
01:14:28,813 --> 01:14:30,173
Speaker 2: if you go to the West Coast for a couple

1479
01:14:30,173 --> 01:14:32,413
Speaker 2: of days, if you go for a week, yeah, Monday

1480
01:14:32,453 --> 01:14:34,973
Speaker 2: and Tuesday are terrible. You absolutely smashed by SAand flies.

1481
01:14:35,053 --> 01:14:38,613
Speaker 2: Wednesday's okay. By Friday, you're fine. Friday you're just walking around.

1482
01:14:38,693 --> 01:14:40,813
Speaker 2: You were in a single and stubbies, no drama. But

1483
01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:42,893
Speaker 2: the locals you knew had a local moaning about the

1484
01:14:42,933 --> 01:14:44,613
Speaker 2: sand flies on the West coast.

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01:14:44,613 --> 01:14:46,773
Speaker 7: You know, No, that's right, that's right.

1486
01:14:46,853 --> 01:14:48,333
Speaker 6: You do get you do get a bit.

1487
01:14:48,253 --> 01:14:52,213
Speaker 7: Of tolerance for it, if you like. Yeah, and I

1488
01:14:52,253 --> 01:14:53,653
Speaker 7: think that's that's probably the word.

1489
01:14:53,693 --> 01:14:54,253
Speaker 4: But you got it.

1490
01:14:54,333 --> 01:14:57,333
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And these guys have. Of course, you have

1491
01:14:57,413 --> 01:15:00,533
Speaker 7: to remember, people have not lived in our theo of

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01:15:00,933 --> 01:15:04,973
Speaker 7: more than till thousand years. Yea, yeah, And these sand

1493
01:15:05,013 --> 01:15:08,293
Speaker 7: flies were here anywhere, and they decided bugger the wal

1494
01:15:08,373 --> 01:15:10,733
Speaker 7: rushes and the and all the other things that are

1495
01:15:10,773 --> 01:15:14,573
Speaker 7: on the beach. We're kind of go for the baking. Hello.

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01:15:14,893 --> 01:15:20,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Poor on Iceland, speaking of unwanted friends, Poor

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Speaker 2: in Iceland has ended up with mosquitoes for the first time.

1498
01:15:23,293 --> 01:15:26,373
Speaker 2: But we have these yellow legged hornets that have been discovered.

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01:15:26,533 --> 01:15:30,133
Speaker 7: Yeah. Now, I saw this coming about three months ago

1500
01:15:30,213 --> 01:15:34,973
Speaker 7: because I remember taking the mention of MBI of that

1501
01:15:35,053 --> 01:15:37,573
Speaker 7: this had happened, and I took a piece of paper

1502
01:15:37,653 --> 01:15:40,973
Speaker 7: and sat on my desk, thinking, one day I'm going

1503
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:44,333
Speaker 7: to use this song text program. And it only took

1504
01:15:44,373 --> 01:15:46,653
Speaker 7: three months. And here is We now have a second

1505
01:15:46,693 --> 01:15:51,373
Speaker 7: and third case literally in Auckland. And I tell you what,

1506
01:15:51,613 --> 01:15:55,813
Speaker 7: I've seen these things in Japan and they are big.

1507
01:15:56,173 --> 01:15:58,173
Speaker 7: I mean, you know what a wasp looks like, don't you?

1508
01:15:58,293 --> 01:15:58,613
Speaker 4: Roughly?

1509
01:15:58,733 --> 01:15:58,933
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1510
01:15:59,013 --> 01:16:02,053
Speaker 7: Okay, at least one and a half times the size.

1511
01:16:02,173 --> 01:16:06,413
Speaker 7: You can hear them coming as if they're driving and

1512
01:16:06,533 --> 01:16:09,733
Speaker 7: lawn mower with wings, you know what I mean. It

1513
01:16:09,813 --> 01:16:12,693
Speaker 7: is unbelievable. And the second thing is they have no

1514
01:16:12,813 --> 01:16:16,333
Speaker 7: sense of humor. They are really really aggressive. They'll get

1515
01:16:16,413 --> 01:16:18,333
Speaker 7: anything they want and have.

1516
01:16:18,253 --> 01:16:18,853
Speaker 4: A go at it.

1517
01:16:19,693 --> 01:16:21,813
Speaker 7: And there you are, and so we have this problem.

1518
01:16:22,053 --> 01:16:25,493
Speaker 7: So I had a lovely chat with my MPI colleagues,

1519
01:16:25,493 --> 01:16:29,133
Speaker 7: if you like, because I used to work in this gig.

1520
01:16:29,573 --> 01:16:33,053
Speaker 7: When I became part of Ministry of Agriculture. We had

1521
01:16:33,133 --> 01:16:36,373
Speaker 7: one of these paper wasps coming into New Zealand. It

1522
01:16:36,453 --> 01:16:38,853
Speaker 7: was the same thing that was those that was in

1523
01:16:39,333 --> 01:16:45,653
Speaker 7: nineteen eight, the seven six actually they yeah, that sort

1524
01:16:45,693 --> 01:16:48,613
Speaker 7: of time when I was there, but they arrived there too.

1525
01:16:49,093 --> 01:16:49,853
Speaker 2: So here we go.

1526
01:16:49,933 --> 01:16:52,973
Speaker 7: We've got these yellow legged hornets in Auckland at the moment.

1527
01:16:53,293 --> 01:16:56,533
Speaker 7: And what I suggest we do as gardeners and as

1528
01:16:56,613 --> 01:16:59,733
Speaker 7: nations and people who are in the garden or outside

1529
01:16:59,733 --> 01:17:03,533
Speaker 7: all the time, keep an eye out for these things

1530
01:17:03,613 --> 01:17:06,573
Speaker 7: because we are still in assistant by which we can

1531
01:17:06,573 --> 01:17:10,973
Speaker 7: do something about it. Not in the Netherlands. They probably

1532
01:17:11,013 --> 01:17:15,613
Speaker 7: lost it, by the way. Last week. Ireland, same species.

1533
01:17:16,533 --> 01:17:21,813
Speaker 2: Oh really, Ireland? Yes, wow, okay, yes, yeah.

1534
01:17:21,293 --> 01:17:25,013
Speaker 7: It's it's it's a thing from Asia. It's in Spain,

1535
01:17:25,093 --> 01:17:28,493
Speaker 7: it's in France for quite a while. It's a now

1536
01:17:28,693 --> 01:17:31,333
Speaker 7: bingo here. And I think it's got something to do

1537
01:17:31,413 --> 01:17:34,093
Speaker 7: with with boats coming into the harbor and these things

1538
01:17:34,093 --> 01:17:36,973
Speaker 7: having unt or almost not good nests yet.

1539
01:17:37,933 --> 01:17:39,053
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you go.

1540
01:17:40,013 --> 01:17:42,453
Speaker 7: All the stuff I've put into your stuff, maybe you

1541
01:17:42,493 --> 01:17:44,493
Speaker 7: will put on the website. But the first thing I say,

1542
01:17:44,573 --> 01:17:49,373
Speaker 7: keep keep your eyes open and report to NPI eight

1543
01:17:49,453 --> 01:17:53,493
Speaker 7: hundred eight nine ninety sixty six. For goodness sake, let's

1544
01:17:53,573 --> 01:17:54,533
Speaker 7: have a go with this.

1545
01:17:54,773 --> 01:17:55,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.

1546
01:17:55,813 --> 01:17:56,053
Speaker 6: All right.

1547
01:17:56,053 --> 01:17:58,133
Speaker 2: We're going to make sure that number for the hotline

1548
01:17:58,253 --> 01:18:01,773
Speaker 2: as well as the MPI report form is up on

1549
01:18:01,813 --> 01:18:04,133
Speaker 2: the News Talk CB website. We've got some photos as well,

1550
01:18:04,173 --> 01:18:07,253
Speaker 2: so you can compare the hornets with paper. Make sure

1551
01:18:07,253 --> 01:18:09,413
Speaker 2: you're getting the right yellow le good thing, but they

1552
01:18:09,453 --> 01:18:11,693
Speaker 2: are big, so thank you for that. Rude We climb

1553
01:18:11,733 --> 01:18:14,013
Speaker 2: past in the garden for us. After eleven o'clock, our

1554
01:18:14,053 --> 01:18:18,333
Speaker 2: travel correspondent's taking us to Jaipur in Rajasthan, India, and

1555
01:18:18,373 --> 01:18:20,493
Speaker 2: we've got a brand new John Grisham thriller to tell

1556
01:18:20,533 --> 01:18:23,253
Speaker 2: you about. The news is next. It's almost eleven. This

1557
01:18:23,533 --> 01:18:24,173
Speaker 2: is News Talks.

1558
01:18:24,173 --> 01:18:24,453
Speaker 12: He'd be.

1559
01:18:26,853 --> 01:18:30,773
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with jackdam keeping the conversation, going through the

1560
01:18:30,813 --> 01:18:32,053
Speaker 1: weekend news talks.

1561
01:18:32,093 --> 01:18:32,373
Speaker 4: It'd be.

1562
01:18:57,213 --> 01:18:59,733
Speaker 2: Good morning, you're a Jack time on news Talks. He'd

1563
01:18:59,733 --> 01:19:01,853
Speaker 2: be through to twelve o'clock today. My goodness, I've just

1564
01:19:01,853 --> 01:19:04,093
Speaker 2: been looking at the latest updates out of Southland. It

1565
01:19:04,173 --> 01:19:07,773
Speaker 2: is rough, so you've got to stay of emergency in

1566
01:19:07,813 --> 01:19:11,133
Speaker 2: place for Kluther, Southland and Kai Colder at the moment.

1567
01:19:11,173 --> 01:19:14,693
Speaker 2: But they reckon more than five hundred power lines are

1568
01:19:14,733 --> 01:19:19,333
Speaker 2: still down in Southland, more than five hundred still and

1569
01:19:19,413 --> 01:19:22,773
Speaker 2: the authorities say it could be weeks before power can

1570
01:19:22,813 --> 01:19:26,253
Speaker 2: be fully restored to some isolated rural areas in Southwand,

1571
01:19:26,293 --> 01:19:29,453
Speaker 2: which is really concerning. So we've had a lot of

1572
01:19:29,493 --> 01:19:32,173
Speaker 2: messages this morning from people saying they're still relying on

1573
01:19:32,253 --> 01:19:36,533
Speaker 2: generator power in some parts of Southland this morning. But yeah,

1574
01:19:36,653 --> 01:19:39,853
Speaker 2: for those really remote areas in the region, it could

1575
01:19:39,853 --> 01:19:41,493
Speaker 2: be a rough couple of weeks, he had to say

1576
01:19:41,533 --> 01:19:45,413
Speaker 2: the least. And the bad news is that more while

1577
01:19:45,493 --> 01:19:49,053
Speaker 2: weather is on the way at the moment, Met Service

1578
01:19:49,173 --> 01:19:52,733
Speaker 2: reckons the worst of the crazy storm on Monday that

1579
01:19:52,813 --> 01:19:54,933
Speaker 2: is headed our way at the moment. They're describing as

1580
01:19:54,933 --> 01:20:00,973
Speaker 2: a very active front is going to hit parts of Wellington,

1581
01:20:01,213 --> 01:20:05,093
Speaker 2: the Tatarua District, the northern Canterbury high Country, southern parts

1582
01:20:05,133 --> 01:20:08,053
Speaker 2: of Marlborough. So those play have strong wind warnings in place,

1583
01:20:08,093 --> 01:20:10,333
Speaker 2: and then there are some heavy rain watches as well.

1584
01:20:10,373 --> 01:20:12,413
Speaker 2: They reckon there could be heavy snow for parts of

1585
01:20:12,453 --> 01:20:14,533
Speaker 2: the Southland. It's all cross our fingers and hope that

1586
01:20:15,173 --> 01:20:17,293
Speaker 2: the snow isn't going to be affecting those parts of

1587
01:20:17,293 --> 01:20:20,173
Speaker 2: Southland that still doesn't have power. The good news, if

1588
01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:22,773
Speaker 2: there is any, is that powers back on in Tiano

1589
01:20:22,893 --> 01:20:25,053
Speaker 2: and in Winton this morning, so that's a bit of

1590
01:20:25,093 --> 01:20:29,133
Speaker 2: a relief. But yeah, it looks like, to say the least,

1591
01:20:29,293 --> 01:20:32,653
Speaker 2: it's going to be a pretty tricky few days ahead

1592
01:20:32,693 --> 01:20:35,453
Speaker 2: and for some parts of Southland potentially a tricky couple

1593
01:20:35,493 --> 01:20:37,733
Speaker 2: of weeks ahead. So hoping that you're not too badly

1594
01:20:37,733 --> 01:20:40,373
Speaker 2: affected by that wherever you're waking up this morning. Now

1595
01:20:40,413 --> 01:20:42,333
Speaker 2: before the day on news talk s head Be, we're

1596
01:20:42,333 --> 01:20:45,093
Speaker 2: gonna have it. Listened to Lily Allen's new album. She

1597
01:20:45,253 --> 01:20:48,133
Speaker 2: has just released this album called west End Girl, which

1598
01:20:48,173 --> 01:20:51,333
Speaker 2: is her first album in seven years. And it's funny

1599
01:20:51,373 --> 01:20:53,333
Speaker 2: when her last album was released seven years ago, they

1600
01:20:53,373 --> 01:20:55,773
Speaker 2: called that a comeback album, and now they're calling west

1601
01:20:55,853 --> 01:20:58,053
Speaker 2: End Girl a comeback album as well, so she's sort

1602
01:20:58,093 --> 01:21:01,013
Speaker 2: of a comeback album queen. But our music reviewers listened

1603
01:21:01,013 --> 01:21:02,733
Speaker 2: to that. He's going to give us his thoughts and

1604
01:21:02,733 --> 01:21:04,053
Speaker 2: we're going to play you a couple of songs from

1605
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:06,053
Speaker 2: that as well as that brand you read from John

1606
01:21:06,133 --> 01:21:09,253
Speaker 2: Grid that our book reviewer has read and will give

1607
01:21:09,253 --> 01:21:13,213
Speaker 2: you all the deats for. And our travel correspondent is

1608
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:15,973
Speaker 2: taking us on the third part of his Indian odyssey

1609
01:21:16,013 --> 01:21:19,093
Speaker 2: this morning to Jay Poor and Rajastan, the Red City,

1610
01:21:19,173 --> 01:21:21,333
Speaker 2: the so called Red City. So that'd be great. Right now,

1611
01:21:21,333 --> 01:21:25,253
Speaker 2: it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack, and time to catch

1612
01:21:25,293 --> 01:21:28,893
Speaker 2: up with clinical psychologist Doogle Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being,

1613
01:21:28,933 --> 01:21:32,013
Speaker 2: who's been looking at some really interesting research that shows

1614
01:21:32,013 --> 01:21:36,053
Speaker 2: that listening to bird song may benefit your mental health

1615
01:21:36,213 --> 01:21:39,293
Speaker 2: and improve sadness and depression. Googles with us this morning.

1616
01:21:39,293 --> 01:21:41,253
Speaker 6: Get a sure to Jack, how are you?

1617
01:21:41,373 --> 01:21:41,533
Speaker 11: Yeah?

1618
01:21:41,613 --> 01:21:43,373
Speaker 2: Very well, thank you. It's funny. This is one of

1619
01:21:43,413 --> 01:21:46,293
Speaker 2: those things that can you can imagine people are just

1620
01:21:46,373 --> 01:21:48,293
Speaker 2: like right off as being kind of trivial, but then

1621
01:21:48,293 --> 01:21:50,853
Speaker 2: if you think about it for a moment, you think, actually, yeah,

1622
01:21:51,053 --> 01:21:53,213
Speaker 2: it kind of makes sense that listening to bird song

1623
01:21:53,293 --> 01:21:55,413
Speaker 2: might make me feel a bit better. So tell us

1624
01:21:55,413 --> 01:21:56,173
Speaker 2: about this research.

1625
01:21:56,573 --> 01:21:56,773
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1626
01:21:56,973 --> 01:21:59,773
Speaker 11: So the research came out, they got people who were.

1627
01:21:59,653 --> 01:22:03,133
Speaker 21: Both depressed and not depressed, and then, as we want

1628
01:22:03,173 --> 01:22:05,493
Speaker 21: to do in psychology land, we made them feel even

1629
01:22:05,573 --> 01:22:10,013
Speaker 21: worse by evoking sadness in them, by playing them through

1630
01:22:10,053 --> 01:22:13,853
Speaker 21: really sad movie clips, so that they not only your depressed,

1631
01:22:13,893 --> 01:22:15,933
Speaker 21: but now we're making you feel really sad on top

1632
01:22:15,973 --> 01:22:18,013
Speaker 21: of that as well. So they made people feel sad.

1633
01:22:18,053 --> 01:22:20,253
Speaker 21: And then what can we do to relieve the sadness?

1634
01:22:20,293 --> 01:22:20,613
Speaker 11: They get?

1635
01:22:20,613 --> 01:22:23,493
Speaker 21: One group they trained them in mindfulness and the other

1636
01:22:23,533 --> 01:22:25,933
Speaker 21: group they just exposed them to listening.

1637
01:22:25,613 --> 01:22:28,413
Speaker 11: To bird songs, and both both groups benefited.

1638
01:22:29,293 --> 01:22:32,493
Speaker 21: And actually for the bird song people, they also their

1639
01:22:32,533 --> 01:22:37,173
Speaker 21: heart rates the physiological heart rates were improved as well,

1640
01:22:37,253 --> 01:22:39,493
Speaker 21: So it seems that was good for the heart and

1641
01:22:39,533 --> 01:22:42,333
Speaker 21: for the good for the mind and the body as well.

1642
01:22:42,413 --> 01:22:45,373
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So when they were playing it, I don't

1643
01:22:45,373 --> 01:22:46,573
Speaker 2: know if you have this detail. Do you know if

1644
01:22:46,613 --> 01:22:48,293
Speaker 2: they were playing them recordings or if they were just

1645
01:22:48,333 --> 01:22:49,213
Speaker 2: sitting them outside.

1646
01:22:49,293 --> 01:22:53,293
Speaker 21: No, no, no, no, no, they were playing I believe

1647
01:22:53,293 --> 01:22:54,253
Speaker 21: they were playing.

1648
01:22:54,333 --> 01:22:55,253
Speaker 4: It was live bird song.

1649
01:22:56,053 --> 01:22:59,013
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, so I think they were actually, you know,

1650
01:22:59,053 --> 01:23:03,333
Speaker 21: out there listening to birds. I think it was a

1651
01:23:03,373 --> 01:23:05,973
Speaker 21: confined environment in terms of you know, they had to

1652
01:23:06,533 --> 01:23:08,493
Speaker 21: that they were in like an avery or something like that.

1653
01:23:08,533 --> 01:23:10,693
Speaker 11: But it was it was live bird song. From what

1654
01:23:10,733 --> 01:23:11,853
Speaker 11: I can what I can make out.

1655
01:23:11,973 --> 01:23:14,893
Speaker 2: I wonder how you can differentiate between listening to bird

1656
01:23:14,933 --> 01:23:17,053
Speaker 2: song and then singing birds or singing.

1657
01:23:16,933 --> 01:23:22,333
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, they do, but it's interesting. One of the

1658
01:23:22,373 --> 01:23:25,853
Speaker 21: things they kind of thought was to that, yes, both

1659
01:23:25,893 --> 01:23:29,813
Speaker 21: are good, the mindfulness and the listening to birds, but sometimes.

1660
01:23:29,373 --> 01:23:31,453
Speaker 11: If you're really deeply depressed.

1661
01:23:31,413 --> 01:23:35,933
Speaker 21: Then having energy to do anything, including engaging in psychological therapy,

1662
01:23:35,973 --> 01:23:38,213
Speaker 21: can be real you know, it can be more than

1663
01:23:38,733 --> 01:23:40,653
Speaker 21: you know, more than what you're able to do. And

1664
01:23:40,733 --> 01:23:44,773
Speaker 21: so so mindfulness is obviously a very sort of deliberate

1665
01:23:44,813 --> 01:23:47,493
Speaker 21: sort of skill that you that you kind of got

1666
01:23:47,533 --> 01:23:48,253
Speaker 21: to put into.

1667
01:23:48,053 --> 01:23:51,133
Speaker 11: Place, whereas listening to bird song is quite a passive thing.

1668
01:23:51,173 --> 01:23:52,893
Speaker 11: You don't have to really do anything.

1669
01:23:52,893 --> 01:23:55,533
Speaker 21: It just, you know, you just sit there and listen

1670
01:23:55,693 --> 01:23:58,573
Speaker 21: and and and so it could be a useful sort

1671
01:23:58,613 --> 01:24:01,853
Speaker 21: of I wouldn't say I'd be betting every betting the

1672
01:24:01,893 --> 01:24:04,173
Speaker 21: house on it, but you could certainly even add it in.

1673
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:06,813
Speaker 21: There's something that people can do just be supposed to

1674
01:24:06,813 --> 01:24:08,293
Speaker 21: you don't. You can just sit there and listen. You

1675
01:24:08,293 --> 01:24:10,413
Speaker 21: don't have to do anything, which might be quite a

1676
01:24:10,453 --> 01:24:12,853
Speaker 21: relief if your feeling particularly down, you know, and you

1677
01:24:12,933 --> 01:24:15,733
Speaker 21: just don't have that energy. Yeah, so yeah, I thought

1678
01:24:15,773 --> 01:24:17,733
Speaker 21: I thought it was an encouraging sort of and and

1679
01:24:17,813 --> 01:24:19,733
Speaker 21: a nice use of sort of going back to nature

1680
01:24:19,733 --> 01:24:20,093
Speaker 21: in a way.

1681
01:24:20,373 --> 01:24:24,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I mean it's a yeah, like

1682
01:24:24,253 --> 01:24:26,693
Speaker 2: I said, it feels kind of intuitive. It's funny I

1683
01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:30,053
Speaker 2: have been finding without eight months old. Then when he

1684
01:24:30,093 --> 01:24:32,653
Speaker 2: gets really upset he has it gets really upset from

1685
01:24:32,653 --> 01:24:34,493
Speaker 2: time to time, and especially in the evenings at the

1686
01:24:34,533 --> 01:24:36,253
Speaker 2: end of the day, and he'll scream down the house

1687
01:24:36,293 --> 01:24:38,893
Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. And often I have been

1688
01:24:39,053 --> 01:24:41,253
Speaker 2: picking him up from his high tear or wherever he is,

1689
01:24:41,653 --> 01:24:45,213
Speaker 2: taking him outside and just like giving him two minutes

1690
01:24:45,293 --> 01:24:47,413
Speaker 2: with you know, being outdoors and kind of looking at

1691
01:24:47,453 --> 01:24:48,453
Speaker 2: a tree or something like that.

1692
01:24:48,573 --> 01:24:48,813
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1693
01:24:49,173 --> 01:24:51,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing the extent when it calms them down.

1694
01:24:52,613 --> 01:24:55,453
Speaker 21: Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. It's like it

1695
01:24:55,573 --> 01:24:57,533
Speaker 21: feels like we've kind of lost touch with some of

1696
01:24:57,573 --> 01:25:02,013
Speaker 21: those the benefits of nature as we become more more urban.

1697
01:25:02,213 --> 01:25:04,253
Speaker 21: And I realized for some people it's you know, if

1698
01:25:04,253 --> 01:25:06,053
Speaker 21: you're living in a block of flats or an apartment,

1699
01:25:06,093 --> 01:25:07,693
Speaker 21: it is really difficult to get to that.

1700
01:25:08,773 --> 01:25:11,813
Speaker 11: In the UK, they do things like green prescriptions.

1701
01:25:11,133 --> 01:25:13,013
Speaker 21: Where they'll you know, they'll they'll they'll give you a

1702
01:25:13,013 --> 01:25:15,653
Speaker 21: prescription to go out and they do things like, you know,

1703
01:25:15,693 --> 01:25:18,173
Speaker 21: tell you to go fishing, and you know, just get

1704
01:25:18,213 --> 01:25:19,173
Speaker 21: out there and be active.

1705
01:25:20,533 --> 01:25:22,733
Speaker 11: But just because of the real benefit there seems to

1706
01:25:22,773 --> 01:25:24,573
Speaker 11: be just from being out in nature.

1707
01:25:24,453 --> 01:25:26,213
Speaker 2: I find the same thing, like if I even it

1708
01:25:26,253 --> 01:25:28,013
Speaker 2: can be something so simple as well, you don't have

1709
01:25:28,053 --> 01:25:30,133
Speaker 2: to be like in a perfect unspoiled native bush or

1710
01:25:30,173 --> 01:25:32,093
Speaker 2: anything like even if I just got into the backyard

1711
01:25:32,133 --> 01:25:34,733
Speaker 2: and do a little bit of gardening honestly, a little

1712
01:25:34,773 --> 01:25:37,213
Speaker 2: bit of weeding with you know, with a good iHeart

1713
01:25:37,213 --> 01:25:40,013
Speaker 2: podcast or something, and I'm yeah, it's amazing how it

1714
01:25:40,093 --> 01:25:41,973
Speaker 2: kind of has that Yeah, it is a yeah.

1715
01:25:42,013 --> 01:25:44,253
Speaker 21: And there was a big study in New Zealand actually

1716
01:25:44,533 --> 01:25:47,813
Speaker 21: about the benefits of fishing too, Like they touted it

1717
01:25:47,853 --> 01:25:50,733
Speaker 21: as the biggest study in the world looking at the

1718
01:25:50,733 --> 01:25:54,693
Speaker 21: benefits of fishing for for mental health, and they found

1719
01:25:54,773 --> 01:25:58,213
Speaker 21: that really, you know, improve people's mood, reduced anxiety, reduced

1720
01:25:58,253 --> 01:26:02,053
Speaker 21: psychological distress, and you know, they were going out and

1721
01:26:02,253 --> 01:26:06,253
Speaker 21: just just fishing. And I think there's really something in there,

1722
01:26:06,373 --> 01:26:08,333
Speaker 21: isn't there about getting back into nature and getting that

1723
01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:10,933
Speaker 21: contact with nature that we seem to be losing a

1724
01:26:10,933 --> 01:26:12,893
Speaker 21: bit as we become more urbanized.

1725
01:26:13,213 --> 01:26:15,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder too if it's just it's kind of

1726
01:26:16,013 --> 01:26:21,933
Speaker 2: like mindfulness without knowing it, you know, like not being you.

1727
01:26:21,933 --> 01:26:26,333
Speaker 21: Know, yeah, like yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we've tricked you

1728
01:26:26,333 --> 01:26:28,813
Speaker 21: into being mindful. You know, you're just you're just focusing

1729
01:26:28,853 --> 01:26:32,613
Speaker 21: on one thing. That's all you're aware of. You're it's

1730
01:26:32,653 --> 01:26:35,653
Speaker 21: it's it's just a calm sort of content place that

1731
01:26:35,733 --> 01:26:36,693
Speaker 21: you're connecting with.

1732
01:26:37,773 --> 01:26:38,613
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.

1733
01:26:38,693 --> 01:26:41,293
Speaker 21: I think there's some sort of strong overlaps with those

1734
01:26:41,333 --> 01:26:44,053
Speaker 21: sorts of things that it's very much about, and there

1735
01:26:44,133 --> 01:26:46,773
Speaker 21: is something that we get from being in nature. You know,

1736
01:26:47,173 --> 01:26:50,253
Speaker 21: thirty minutes I did hear thirty minutes a day is

1737
01:26:50,413 --> 01:26:53,093
Speaker 21: if you or not a day, but little spells of

1738
01:26:53,133 --> 01:26:55,493
Speaker 21: thirty minutes in nature. If you really want to optimize

1739
01:26:55,533 --> 01:26:58,413
Speaker 21: your your the benefit that you get from being out there,

1740
01:26:58,893 --> 01:27:01,093
Speaker 21: little little blocks of thirty minutes and at least three

1741
01:27:01,133 --> 01:27:03,733
Speaker 21: hours a week is the ideal.

1742
01:27:03,373 --> 01:27:06,253
Speaker 2: Apparently, Okay, yeah, thirty minutes a day, that's that's like

1743
01:27:06,573 --> 01:27:07,453
Speaker 2: maybe achievable.

1744
01:27:07,613 --> 01:27:09,893
Speaker 21: I think that's yeah, And it doesn't have to be

1745
01:27:09,973 --> 01:27:12,133
Speaker 21: every day just you know, as you said before, you know,

1746
01:27:12,253 --> 01:27:14,373
Speaker 21: but a gardening or you might go for a walk

1747
01:27:14,613 --> 01:27:16,693
Speaker 21: or and it doesn't have to be every day, but

1748
01:27:16,773 --> 01:27:18,813
Speaker 21: trying to get sort of around three three and a

1749
01:27:18,853 --> 01:27:23,013
Speaker 21: half hours per week and doing that in blocks of

1750
01:27:23,133 --> 01:27:25,213
Speaker 21: thirty seems to be better than just sort of a

1751
01:27:25,293 --> 01:27:27,493
Speaker 21: quick five minute I mean five minutes is fine, you know,

1752
01:27:27,533 --> 01:27:29,933
Speaker 21: but if you really want to get the maximize benefit

1753
01:27:30,013 --> 01:27:32,653
Speaker 21: out out of it, at least a thirty minute burst

1754
01:27:33,013 --> 01:27:35,053
Speaker 21: outside in nature.

1755
01:27:35,013 --> 01:27:37,413
Speaker 11: Apparently is really good. Is what we're looking for.

1756
01:27:37,533 --> 01:27:39,653
Speaker 2: So that's great. Hey, thank you so much. Do I

1757
01:27:39,693 --> 01:27:42,973
Speaker 2: appreciate it? As always? Google someone from Umbrella Well Being. Yeah,

1758
01:27:43,013 --> 01:27:44,653
Speaker 2: it does feel like it makes sense. But if you

1759
01:27:44,693 --> 01:27:46,973
Speaker 2: are looking for an excuse to ask for a second

1760
01:27:47,013 --> 01:27:50,093
Speaker 2: bird feeder for Christmas, maybe this could be just it, right,

1761
01:27:50,133 --> 01:27:52,013
Speaker 2: attract a few more birds in the backyard. It's good

1762
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1781
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Speaker 2: travel corresponders Mike Yardley and he is here with us

1782
01:29:21,533 --> 01:29:24,733
Speaker 2: this morning, focusing on Jai Poor Rajasthan.

1783
01:29:24,853 --> 01:29:28,093
Speaker 20: Good morning sir, Good morning Jack. I can see you

1784
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:31,973
Speaker 20: on the trapeze. After that, I don't know, hurling yourself

1785
01:29:32,013 --> 01:29:32,973
Speaker 20: across some venue.

1786
01:29:33,093 --> 01:29:35,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not someone. I'm not someone known for

1787
01:29:35,613 --> 01:29:39,333
Speaker 2: keeping his limbs close to his body. You know. That's

1788
01:29:40,013 --> 01:29:42,533
Speaker 2: like an Helpatross on stilts, they say, Mike, So no,

1789
01:29:42,653 --> 01:29:45,333
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that I necessarily have the grace to join.

1790
01:29:46,973 --> 01:29:49,613
Speaker 2: It is amazing. Every time I go to slay, I'm like,

1791
01:29:50,253 --> 01:29:52,533
Speaker 2: it's just unbelievable to me that people are able to

1792
01:29:52,573 --> 01:29:55,973
Speaker 2: pull off those different stunts. You know, I'm always so yeah,

1793
01:29:56,053 --> 01:29:59,493
Speaker 2: so affected by it. So that does sound sound amazing anyway?

1794
01:29:59,493 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 6: You're human, human elastic, isn't it it is?

1795
01:30:02,533 --> 01:30:04,653
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he is. And some of the things they

1796
01:30:04,693 --> 01:30:08,133
Speaker 2: pull off you just think, oh my god. Yeah. Now

1797
01:30:08,213 --> 01:30:10,733
Speaker 2: Jaipur is the is the red city, Isn't it? Is

1798
01:30:10,773 --> 01:30:11,173
Speaker 2: that right?

1799
01:30:11,413 --> 01:30:11,653
Speaker 4: Yes?

1800
01:30:11,773 --> 01:30:14,253
Speaker 2: Red city and I understand. Or pink city, Yes it

1801
01:30:14,893 --> 01:30:17,013
Speaker 2: is pink. Yes, yes, it's not the blue city. But

1802
01:30:17,413 --> 01:30:19,933
Speaker 2: Jaipur is the is the is the pink city and

1803
01:30:19,973 --> 01:30:23,973
Speaker 2: it really is gorgeous. How did it end up getting

1804
01:30:24,173 --> 01:30:26,453
Speaker 2: painted pink? How did the old city and Gaipaur end

1805
01:30:26,533 --> 01:30:26,933
Speaker 2: up pink?

1806
01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:28,213
Speaker 6: Yes?

1807
01:30:28,293 --> 01:30:31,013
Speaker 20: Well a lot of people. Jack liked to paint the

1808
01:30:31,053 --> 01:30:35,293
Speaker 20: town red, but Jipaul went pink. And it's pink stucco,

1809
01:30:35,973 --> 01:30:38,893
Speaker 20: which all began in the eighteen seventies when the Prince

1810
01:30:38,893 --> 01:30:41,773
Speaker 20: of Wales rocked into town. So he was Queen Victoria's son.

1811
01:30:42,333 --> 01:30:46,133
Speaker 20: He later succeeded her as King Edward. He named j

1812
01:30:46,333 --> 01:30:49,733
Speaker 20: Paul the Pink City, and the Maharaja at the time

1813
01:30:50,293 --> 01:30:56,533
Speaker 20: chose the color for his visit because pink symbolizes hospitality

1814
01:30:56,773 --> 01:30:58,173
Speaker 20: in Rajpot culture.

1815
01:30:58,653 --> 01:31:02,173
Speaker 6: So the name and the stucco has stuck ever since.

1816
01:31:01,973 --> 01:31:04,733
Speaker 20: And even today, all the buildings in the old city

1817
01:31:04,893 --> 01:31:08,253
Speaker 20: must still be painted pink, which I think adds to

1818
01:31:08,293 --> 01:31:10,653
Speaker 20: the unmistakable magic about the place.

1819
01:31:10,773 --> 01:31:13,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so talk to us about City Palace. What

1820
01:31:13,573 --> 01:31:14,773
Speaker 2: did you like about City Palace?

1821
01:31:15,653 --> 01:31:19,053
Speaker 20: Yeah, there are some really big sights to see in town,

1822
01:31:19,173 --> 01:31:22,053
Speaker 20: and City Palace is such a stirring complex. It just

1823
01:31:22,093 --> 01:31:26,693
Speaker 20: seems to be the most perfect union of mouthwatering architecture

1824
01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:31,613
Speaker 20: and tranquil garden courtyards. They really know how to soften

1825
01:31:31,693 --> 01:31:35,253
Speaker 20: hard edges. And I love the Palace of the Breeze.

1826
01:31:35,293 --> 01:31:40,053
Speaker 20: Just such an ingenious design because it was built purposefully

1827
01:31:40,133 --> 01:31:44,853
Speaker 20: to circulate cool air amongst all those pillars of the

1828
01:31:44,893 --> 01:31:47,493
Speaker 20: palace in the extreme summer heat and I mean I

1829
01:31:47,573 --> 01:31:49,333
Speaker 20: was there and I think it was thirty nine degrees

1830
01:31:49,373 --> 01:31:52,613
Speaker 20: when I was there, and yep, I was not sweating

1831
01:31:52,813 --> 01:31:56,013
Speaker 20: at all in that palace. For something quirky, I think

1832
01:31:56,013 --> 01:31:58,133
Speaker 20: this is the greatest thing about the City Palace. You

1833
01:31:58,173 --> 01:32:02,613
Speaker 20: can go and see these massive silver vessels in the courtyard.

1834
01:32:03,013 --> 01:32:06,213
Speaker 20: They are like the urns of a giant. And they

1835
01:32:06,533 --> 01:32:12,413
Speaker 20: carried the Maharaja's drinking water from the Ganges to London

1836
01:32:12,853 --> 01:32:14,173
Speaker 20: for Edward's coronation.

1837
01:32:14,773 --> 01:32:16,373
Speaker 6: And I thought I was a heavy packer.

1838
01:32:16,453 --> 01:32:16,693
Speaker 4: Jack.

1839
01:32:16,933 --> 01:32:18,373
Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't it amazing?

1840
01:32:18,573 --> 01:32:22,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a short journey. Yeah, amazing. Are the

1841
01:32:22,973 --> 01:32:24,453
Speaker 2: other royals still in residence.

1842
01:32:25,573 --> 01:32:30,333
Speaker 20: Yes, you can see the reception rooms of Jaipaul's royal family.

1843
01:32:31,253 --> 01:32:31,853
Speaker 6: The chairs.

1844
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:36,373
Speaker 20: I love their chairs. They have silver lions for armrests.

1845
01:32:36,573 --> 01:32:39,173
Speaker 20: Every home should have those. But there's a lot of

1846
01:32:39,213 --> 01:32:43,173
Speaker 20: tabloid tattle at the moment about the current Maharaja of Jaipaul,

1847
01:32:43,293 --> 01:32:47,973
Speaker 20: Patcho Singh. He's only twenty seven, quite the playboy and

1848
01:32:48,013 --> 01:32:51,733
Speaker 20: not just at Polo. So he's currently living in City

1849
01:32:51,813 --> 01:32:56,373
Speaker 20: Palace with his French girlfriend. Now this is very controversial because,

1850
01:32:56,773 --> 01:33:00,133
Speaker 20: as I'm sure you can appreciate Jack in Rajasthan culture,

1851
01:33:00,693 --> 01:33:04,293
Speaker 20: one must have an arranged marriage and it's also got

1852
01:33:04,293 --> 01:33:08,213
Speaker 20: to be astrologically aligned, so there's not much hope for

1853
01:33:08,253 --> 01:33:09,253
Speaker 20: the French girlfriends.

1854
01:33:09,493 --> 01:33:13,933
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, I've not heard says scandalous. I might

1855
01:33:14,053 --> 01:33:17,173
Speaker 2: have to have a very scandalous So just beyond the

1856
01:33:17,213 --> 01:33:20,573
Speaker 2: old City, another huge drawer is Amber Fort, right or

1857
01:33:20,693 --> 01:33:21,053
Speaker 2: Army of.

1858
01:33:21,093 --> 01:33:23,053
Speaker 6: Fort Armia Forts.

1859
01:33:23,133 --> 01:33:26,533
Speaker 20: Yes it's spelled Amber, but they say, amya, apologies for

1860
01:33:26,573 --> 01:33:29,333
Speaker 20: the background noise. By the way, I'm at that gobshide

1861
01:33:29,373 --> 01:33:30,733
Speaker 20: of a place called Auckland Airport.

1862
01:33:30,773 --> 01:33:35,693
Speaker 6: Ah, but yes it's a construction zone.

1863
01:33:35,813 --> 01:33:38,893
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, anyway, our US.

1864
01:33:38,933 --> 01:33:39,613
Speaker 6: Army of Fort.

1865
01:33:40,093 --> 01:33:43,053
Speaker 20: What a colossus, like something out of Return of the Jedi.

1866
01:33:43,573 --> 01:33:47,213
Speaker 20: It sort of sprawls across the upper reaches of a

1867
01:33:47,453 --> 01:33:49,373
Speaker 20: hillside like a city.

1868
01:33:49,613 --> 01:33:51,253
Speaker 6: It's just so enormous.

1869
01:33:51,733 --> 01:33:54,053
Speaker 20: And this was the seat of power for the Rushport

1870
01:33:54,133 --> 01:33:58,253
Speaker 20: Kings before they relocated into town to build city Palace.

1871
01:33:58,533 --> 01:34:03,573
Speaker 20: But I was equally intrigued by Armia Wall, which rides

1872
01:34:03,613 --> 01:34:06,693
Speaker 20: across the ridge lines as far as the eye can seat.

1873
01:34:06,773 --> 01:34:10,053
Speaker 20: The Chinese would be very impressed by this wall.

1874
01:34:10,493 --> 01:34:11,653
Speaker 6: But within the fort.

1875
01:34:11,493 --> 01:34:16,133
Speaker 20: Complex, once again, you've just got the most dreamy stash

1876
01:34:16,493 --> 01:34:20,813
Speaker 20: of palatial buildings and shades of honey and rose, sandstone

1877
01:34:21,293 --> 01:34:22,253
Speaker 20: and white marble.

1878
01:34:22,373 --> 01:34:25,013
Speaker 6: It is a bit like some of those palaces in

1879
01:34:25,053 --> 01:34:25,493
Speaker 6: New Delhi.

1880
01:34:25,973 --> 01:34:30,853
Speaker 20: Just the most frothy fusion of Indian and Islamic designer

1881
01:34:31,173 --> 01:34:32,213
Speaker 20: really is gorgeous.

1882
01:34:32,613 --> 01:34:36,293
Speaker 2: Are elephants still lugging tourists up the hillside to the fall?

1883
01:34:37,773 --> 01:34:38,213
Speaker 11: Oh? Yes?

1884
01:34:38,213 --> 01:34:42,493
Speaker 20: And those tourists they are getting harder to lug. I

1885
01:34:42,653 --> 01:34:46,373
Speaker 20: actually took an elephant ride at Army of fourteen years ago,

1886
01:34:46,453 --> 01:34:48,413
Speaker 20: but I've put on a bit of wait since then, Jack,

1887
01:34:48,693 --> 01:34:52,333
Speaker 20: and I'm very mindful of animal welfare, so I didn't

1888
01:34:52,613 --> 01:34:54,453
Speaker 20: I didn't ride mister elephant this time.

1889
01:34:54,453 --> 01:34:56,053
Speaker 6: I took a jeep ride up the hill.

1890
01:34:56,453 --> 01:35:00,573
Speaker 20: But man, I've still got hundreds of elephants out there

1891
01:35:00,653 --> 01:35:02,173
Speaker 20: every day, hauling.

1892
01:35:01,853 --> 01:35:03,933
Speaker 6: Hefty visitors up to the fortress.

1893
01:35:03,933 --> 01:35:07,533
Speaker 20: And they're all brightly dressed. Apparently they look after really well.

1894
01:35:07,573 --> 01:35:09,893
Speaker 20: But I think you would struggle to find a New

1895
01:35:09,973 --> 01:35:13,133
Speaker 20: Zealand travel agent. Yeah, who would say do the elephant rider?

1896
01:35:13,133 --> 01:35:14,853
Speaker 20: It's just become, you know, a no go for a

1897
01:35:14,853 --> 01:35:15,453
Speaker 20: lot of keyweks.

1898
01:35:15,573 --> 01:35:17,773
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fair enough too. Were there some good buys

1899
01:35:17,813 --> 01:35:19,133
Speaker 2: in the bazaars around town?

1900
01:35:20,133 --> 01:35:20,493
Speaker 1: Oh?

1901
01:35:20,493 --> 01:35:21,453
Speaker 6: Wow? I reckon.

1902
01:35:21,493 --> 01:35:24,013
Speaker 20: This is the highlight of Jypor. I mean, I'm not

1903
01:35:24,093 --> 01:35:26,893
Speaker 20: a big retail sort of person. I'm not a shopaholic,

1904
01:35:27,373 --> 01:35:33,053
Speaker 20: but it's that sort of place where impulsive shopping becomes compulsive.

1905
01:35:33,173 --> 01:35:35,413
Speaker 20: You know, you just find yourself buying things you never

1906
01:35:35,533 --> 01:35:39,173
Speaker 20: dreamed you'd buy. And it's just so much fun to

1907
01:35:39,213 --> 01:35:43,213
Speaker 20: be had strolling under those peeling pink porticos of the

1908
01:35:43,253 --> 01:35:46,213
Speaker 20: roadside bazaars and there are a blaze with everything from

1909
01:35:46,213 --> 01:35:50,933
Speaker 20: handcrafted puppets to pajama pants. It's just the most wondrous place.

1910
01:35:51,253 --> 01:35:55,293
Speaker 20: I haggle down the price on this spectacular tablecloth with

1911
01:35:55,493 --> 01:35:57,413
Speaker 20: block printed red elephants.

1912
01:35:57,773 --> 01:36:00,173
Speaker 6: So that's as close as I got to a trunk jack.

1913
01:36:00,293 --> 01:36:03,653
Speaker 20: Yes, but yeah, if you want local garments or textiles,

1914
01:36:04,413 --> 01:36:07,893
Speaker 20: really good bys and jewelry and pour Jaipur is the

1915
01:36:07,933 --> 01:36:12,333
Speaker 20: global center for cutting and polishing precious and semi precious gems.

1916
01:36:12,613 --> 01:36:14,813
Speaker 6: Who knows, maybe the French Crown jewels may end up in.

1917
01:36:14,853 --> 01:36:18,493
Speaker 20: Gipore, but you will still you will still see old

1918
01:36:18,613 --> 01:36:23,333
Speaker 20: men at workbenches in the city adorning gold settings with jewels,

1919
01:36:23,373 --> 01:36:26,293
Speaker 20: and then they rinsed the gold dust from their hands

1920
01:36:26,693 --> 01:36:30,733
Speaker 20: and that water is later sold to extraction companies, so

1921
01:36:31,213 --> 01:36:33,853
Speaker 20: the quality of the workmanship is second to none.

1922
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Speaker 2: Oh man, that sounds sounds incredible. I think when I

1923
01:36:37,293 --> 01:36:41,293
Speaker 2: was there, I it was up the road maybe in

1924
01:36:42,093 --> 01:36:46,293
Speaker 2: Jaisalmeir or something like that in Rajasthan. But I went

1925
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:48,053
Speaker 2: to you know, in those bazaars they often have the

1926
01:36:48,133 --> 01:36:52,173
Speaker 2: leather shops, and I bought a leather a camel leather

1927
01:36:52,253 --> 01:36:55,773
Speaker 2: messenger bag and it costs about you know, seven dollars

1928
01:36:55,893 --> 01:36:59,173
Speaker 2: or something, and I just like, to this day, I'm like,

1929
01:36:59,213 --> 01:37:00,853
Speaker 2: why I didn't I buy fifty of those? It was

1930
01:37:00,933 --> 01:37:03,853
Speaker 2: just such good quality and such a bag and such

1931
01:37:03,853 --> 01:37:05,893
Speaker 2: a handy thing. And it's been all over the world

1932
01:37:05,933 --> 01:37:09,453
Speaker 2: with me. Know, wow, yes it is. Those bazaars are

1933
01:37:09,493 --> 01:37:12,013
Speaker 2: really incredible. So when you're in Jipaul, where's a good

1934
01:37:12,013 --> 01:37:12,613
Speaker 2: place to stay?

1935
01:37:13,853 --> 01:37:16,573
Speaker 20: Well, this is one of the real gems about Gipaul.

1936
01:37:16,613 --> 01:37:19,573
Speaker 20: They have so many old historic palaces that have been

1937
01:37:19,613 --> 01:37:22,413
Speaker 20: revitalized as hotels. So if you really want to go

1938
01:37:22,533 --> 01:37:27,733
Speaker 20: palatal with your accommodation, they are surprisingly inexpensive. But I

1939
01:37:27,893 --> 01:37:30,533
Speaker 20: actually switched it up on my last trip a few

1940
01:37:30,533 --> 01:37:33,733
Speaker 20: weeks ago and I stayed at a brand new palace

1941
01:37:33,893 --> 01:37:36,493
Speaker 20: style hotel. So you might have heard of the brand

1942
01:37:36,613 --> 01:37:42,213
Speaker 20: an Intara, the tie of origin, but they've gone global

1943
01:37:42,293 --> 01:37:45,413
Speaker 20: five star hotel chain. Anyway, they've opened their first Indian

1944
01:37:45,453 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 20: opening in Gypaw and they've built it as a replica

1945
01:37:51,573 --> 01:37:55,373
Speaker 20: of Gipaul's landmark. So you will see the facades of

1946
01:37:55,613 --> 01:37:59,333
Speaker 20: Army of Fort, you will see the facades from like

1947
01:37:59,373 --> 01:38:03,653
Speaker 20: the city Palace built into this palace hotel. It is

1948
01:38:03,733 --> 01:38:06,693
Speaker 20: absolutely exceptional and they've used a lot of local grasman

1949
01:38:07,493 --> 01:38:10,933
Speaker 20: to do it. Even within the hotel, they've done a

1950
01:38:10,933 --> 01:38:16,213
Speaker 20: modern replica of sheesh Mahal, So sheesh Mahal is the mirror,

1951
01:38:17,293 --> 01:38:21,653
Speaker 20: the mirror Palace in Gipaw, and they've turned this into

1952
01:38:22,173 --> 01:38:25,653
Speaker 20: like a bar and a restaurant at an Atara Hotel

1953
01:38:26,053 --> 01:38:31,453
Speaker 20: and the actual interior gleams with three hundred and fifty

1954
01:38:31,573 --> 01:38:34,893
Speaker 20: thousand pieces of glass in mirror mosaics.

1955
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just the most incredible thing.

1956
01:38:37,013 --> 01:38:40,133
Speaker 20: So yeah, it's great to see all of that architectural

1957
01:38:40,493 --> 01:38:45,373
Speaker 20: prowess of Gipoor continuing to shine in you know, new generations.

1958
01:38:45,493 --> 01:38:48,373
Speaker 20: And I think that's what makes that place is a

1959
01:38:48,413 --> 01:38:49,613
Speaker 20: destination so special.

1960
01:38:49,733 --> 01:38:51,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks, it looks amazing. Thank you so much.

1961
01:38:52,013 --> 01:38:52,213
Speaker 4: Mike.

1962
01:38:52,493 --> 01:38:54,973
Speaker 2: We're going to make sure the bike's article for tripping

1963
01:38:54,973 --> 01:38:57,933
Speaker 2: through gipaor is up on the Newstalks z'b website. Newstalkszb

1964
01:38:58,013 --> 01:39:00,693
Speaker 2: dot co dot nz is the place to go for

1965
01:39:00,773 --> 01:39:03,013
Speaker 2: everything from our show, and that'll be out there very

1966
01:39:03,013 --> 01:39:05,693
Speaker 2: shortly before midday. New music from Lily Ellen and we

1967
01:39:05,733 --> 01:39:10,173
Speaker 2: will tell you a John Grisham's latest. Right now, it's eleven.

1968
01:39:09,893 --> 01:39:18,573
Speaker 9: Thirty getting your weekend started. It's Saturday morning with Jack

1969
01:39:18,653 --> 01:39:31,653
Speaker 9: Team on News TALKSB.

1970
01:39:39,973 --> 01:39:41,893
Speaker 2: Twenty seven minutes to twelve on News Talks. He'd be

1971
01:39:41,933 --> 01:39:45,373
Speaker 2: after midday. Elliott Smith is in for weekend Sport. You've

1972
01:39:45,373 --> 01:39:47,573
Speaker 2: got Gilbert and Oprah on the show. He's sort of

1973
01:39:47,573 --> 01:39:48,933
Speaker 2: the pioneer.

1974
01:39:48,413 --> 01:39:51,093
Speaker 16: Of what is it called mental mental skills coach absolutely,

1975
01:39:51,213 --> 01:39:53,773
Speaker 16: and we thought we get him on because there's helping

1976
01:39:53,853 --> 01:39:54,893
Speaker 16: the English at the moment he is.

1977
01:39:54,893 --> 01:39:55,853
Speaker 2: He's helping the English.

1978
01:39:55,853 --> 01:39:59,613
Speaker 16: Do they need help on the basis, yeah, maybe on

1979
01:39:59,693 --> 01:40:03,813
Speaker 16: one game exactly, Yeah, they don't need much help. He's

1980
01:40:03,813 --> 01:40:06,013
Speaker 16: with a Chelsea and the New South World's Origin team

1981
01:40:06,013 --> 01:40:09,053
Speaker 16: and very things. But there's charter school announcement around Sports

1982
01:40:09,293 --> 01:40:12,413
Speaker 16: Sports Academy that's going to be at the nccis in

1983
01:40:12,453 --> 01:40:14,493
Speaker 16: Wellington from years eleven to thirteen.

1984
01:40:15,213 --> 01:40:16,693
Speaker 2: Is this a good idea for kids?

1985
01:40:17,253 --> 01:40:19,373
Speaker 16: Gilbert used to be a high school teacher, is obviously

1986
01:40:19,573 --> 01:40:22,293
Speaker 16: weeked on the side of high performance sport as well.

1987
01:40:22,453 --> 01:40:25,333
Speaker 16: So is this going to prepare kids in the right

1988
01:40:25,373 --> 01:40:28,813
Speaker 16: way for moving out of secondary school into high performance

1989
01:40:28,853 --> 01:40:32,013
Speaker 16: sport environments or is it a step too soon?

1990
01:40:32,573 --> 01:40:36,413
Speaker 2: Interesting to me, kids, do you know what my gut

1991
01:40:36,493 --> 01:40:38,293
Speaker 2: And this is based on nothing more than gut, and

1992
01:40:38,333 --> 01:40:40,653
Speaker 2: so Gilbert I have a much more informed take on this.

1993
01:40:40,813 --> 01:40:44,093
Speaker 2: My gut is that if it were year nine, I

1994
01:40:44,093 --> 01:40:46,013
Speaker 2: think I'd feel uncomfortable about that. So if it's the

1995
01:40:46,013 --> 01:40:49,093
Speaker 2: old third form, I'd feel uncomfortable about that. Year eleven,

1996
01:40:49,373 --> 01:40:53,253
Speaker 2: which is the old fifth form, I think that's fine.

1997
01:40:53,613 --> 01:40:55,213
Speaker 2: I kind of think so as well. It's all the

1998
01:40:55,293 --> 01:40:56,493
Speaker 2: proof of the puttings in the eating. It is all

1999
01:40:56,533 --> 01:40:58,093
Speaker 2: depends on the management of school and all that kind

2000
01:40:58,093 --> 01:40:59,453
Speaker 2: of thing. And the charter schools are held to a

2001
01:40:59,493 --> 01:41:02,253
Speaker 2: pretty high standard under the system. You know, they're checked

2002
01:41:02,333 --> 01:41:04,693
Speaker 2: up on pretty closely. But I feel like year earl

2003
01:41:04,893 --> 01:41:08,053
Speaker 2: like if you think about you know, professional sports people

2004
01:41:08,093 --> 01:41:10,093
Speaker 2: around the world, a lot of them by the time

2005
01:41:10,173 --> 01:41:12,373
Speaker 2: they're sort of fifteen are kind of part of a

2006
01:41:12,413 --> 01:41:14,053
Speaker 2: system that's preparing them for.

2007
01:41:14,533 --> 01:41:18,413
Speaker 16: You think about those that lettage of Tiger Woods playing

2008
01:41:18,493 --> 01:41:22,493
Speaker 16: as a you know, they're all coming through that age.

2009
01:41:22,533 --> 01:41:25,053
Speaker 16: So I guess at one point though, you are going

2010
01:41:25,133 --> 01:41:27,613
Speaker 16: to pull kids out of a usual score environment and

2011
01:41:27,653 --> 01:41:31,733
Speaker 16: then put them into this charter of sports school. Whether

2012
01:41:31,773 --> 01:41:34,093
Speaker 16: that's the best thing for them, you know, whether being

2013
01:41:34,133 --> 01:41:36,653
Speaker 16: on a sport minded focus. You said, they're still going

2014
01:41:36,693 --> 01:41:39,093
Speaker 16: to be taught the maths and various things, but whether

2015
01:41:39,613 --> 01:41:42,733
Speaker 16: being on that sport track from year eleven solely.

2016
01:41:42,493 --> 01:41:45,653
Speaker 2: Is Yeah, my gar is all good from year eleven.

2017
01:41:45,693 --> 01:41:47,253
Speaker 2: But I'll be really interested to see what Gilbert thinks

2018
01:41:47,253 --> 01:41:49,293
Speaker 2: about I'm sure he's got some ideas for how like

2019
01:41:49,373 --> 01:41:52,173
Speaker 2: what would make it effective and some potential performs and

2020
01:41:52,213 --> 01:41:54,293
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. What does he do for metal skills?

2021
01:41:54,533 --> 01:41:56,893
Speaker 2: Did you say like breathe deeply and stuff.

2022
01:41:56,973 --> 01:41:59,293
Speaker 16: Well, it's all about I guess thinking and the way

2023
01:41:59,333 --> 01:42:02,493
Speaker 16: you approach the game and techniques to get you back

2024
01:42:02,493 --> 01:42:03,453
Speaker 16: in the right.

2025
01:42:03,413 --> 01:42:05,933
Speaker 2: Zone if things aren't going right as well.

2026
01:42:06,493 --> 01:42:09,333
Speaker 16: All the all blacks from a zero rave about what

2027
01:42:09,373 --> 01:42:10,853
Speaker 16: he was able to do and the way he was

2028
01:42:10,893 --> 01:42:12,213
Speaker 16: able to present things and break.

2029
01:42:12,013 --> 01:42:12,613
Speaker 2: It down for them.

2030
01:42:12,653 --> 01:42:14,733
Speaker 16: So yeah, he's got techniques that you know, obviously the

2031
01:42:14,773 --> 01:42:16,933
Speaker 16: English cricket team. He's work with Chelsea and various things

2032
01:42:16,933 --> 01:42:20,093
Speaker 16: as well. Yeah, he's got a good book out at

2033
01:42:20,133 --> 01:42:20,413
Speaker 16: the moment.

2034
01:42:21,013 --> 01:42:23,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, Catherine our book reviewer read a few weeks and

2035
01:42:23,453 --> 01:42:25,853
Speaker 2: going I say it was fantastic. So yeah, you've got

2036
01:42:25,893 --> 01:42:28,813
Speaker 2: the NBC finale and Otago camps.

2037
01:42:28,853 --> 01:42:31,573
Speaker 16: Absolutely, and we'll go to the ground as well. This

2038
01:42:31,653 --> 01:42:34,373
Speaker 16: is gonna be a fantastic finals. Jack Canterbury Otago Southern

2039
01:42:34,373 --> 01:42:36,373
Speaker 16: Classic can't get much better. The weather is looking pretty

2040
01:42:36,373 --> 01:42:39,253
Speaker 16: good in christ Church and two form teams O Tiger

2041
01:42:39,253 --> 01:42:41,933
Speaker 16: have been probably the story of the competition in many ways,

2042
01:42:41,933 --> 01:42:45,693
Speaker 16: putting the Ranfieldy Shield and Canterbury an ultrack consistent. But

2043
01:42:45,733 --> 01:42:48,053
Speaker 16: I think I Targo go up to christ Church this weekend,

2044
01:42:48,293 --> 01:42:51,253
Speaker 16: in this afternoon with no fear. I shield from fifteen

2045
01:42:51,293 --> 01:42:53,453
Speaker 16: points down against them what three or four weeks ago,

2046
01:42:53,493 --> 01:42:54,653
Speaker 16: which is such an amazing game.

2047
01:42:54,693 --> 01:42:55,573
Speaker 2: It was an incredible game.

2048
01:42:55,773 --> 01:42:57,453
Speaker 16: And you know, look the like Sadel and Pleager has

2049
01:42:57,493 --> 01:43:00,333
Speaker 16: been so effective for them this season, Lucas Casey as

2050
01:43:00,373 --> 01:43:03,333
Speaker 16: well Sam Gilbert who's leaving after this campaign. There's all

2051
01:43:03,373 --> 01:43:06,493
Speaker 16: sorts of little storylines, but I think it's rejuvenated the

2052
01:43:06,573 --> 01:43:07,733
Speaker 16: NPC a little bit this season.

2053
01:43:07,773 --> 01:43:08,213
Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

2054
01:43:08,253 --> 01:43:13,853
Speaker 16: I reckon the season great, great sold out. You know,

2055
01:43:14,013 --> 01:43:16,413
Speaker 16: this is the last game that Canterbury will play at

2056
01:43:16,453 --> 01:43:19,933
Speaker 16: a Plow Projects Stadium. The Crusaders have a couple more

2057
01:43:19,973 --> 01:43:21,893
Speaker 16: next year, but this is the farewell to to that

2058
01:43:22,013 --> 01:43:24,133
Speaker 16: venue as well. I know the Canterbary team are desperate

2059
01:43:24,173 --> 01:43:26,573
Speaker 16: to send it off with the bang. The Crusader's obviously

2060
01:43:26,573 --> 01:43:28,773
Speaker 16: won the title the earlier in the season. Canterbury wanting

2061
01:43:28,813 --> 01:43:31,693
Speaker 16: to do likewise, but you just sense that Otago have

2062
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:34,133
Speaker 16: a mindset to try and spoil that party a little

2063
01:43:34,133 --> 01:43:34,533
Speaker 16: bit the same.

2064
01:43:34,773 --> 01:43:37,093
Speaker 2: Finally, crunch time for Liam Lawson. If you had to

2065
01:43:37,093 --> 01:43:38,493
Speaker 2: beat your house on it, and I take it you

2066
01:43:38,493 --> 01:43:40,253
Speaker 2: probably don't want to do that. If you had to

2067
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:41,813
Speaker 2: beat your house on it, which way would you go?

2068
01:43:42,253 --> 01:43:45,053
Speaker 2: I think you will get a seat for next year.

2069
01:43:47,053 --> 01:43:52,853
Speaker 2: Confidence didn't deliver a conviction. Look at you hear all

2070
01:43:52,853 --> 01:43:55,853
Speaker 2: the machinations and everything like that. I would love for

2071
01:43:55,893 --> 01:43:57,933
Speaker 2: him to have a great weekend this weekend because it

2072
01:43:57,933 --> 01:44:00,773
Speaker 2: sounds like it's crunch time, as you said, and every

2073
01:44:00,813 --> 01:44:03,293
Speaker 2: little bit matters, and every little session matters. And it's

2074
01:44:03,293 --> 01:44:05,613
Speaker 2: not just the race, it's the qualifying, it's the practice

2075
01:44:05,653 --> 01:44:08,253
Speaker 2: everything like that thing, like of all the pressure and sports,

2076
01:44:08,453 --> 01:44:12,013
Speaker 2: it just seems truly intolerable. The pressure they put these

2077
01:44:12,093 --> 01:44:15,373
Speaker 2: drivers under, like it just crazy. A lot of it's

2078
01:44:15,373 --> 01:44:17,453
Speaker 2: out of your control as well. It's the car you've

2079
01:44:17,453 --> 01:44:18,773
Speaker 2: been given, it's.

2080
01:44:18,693 --> 01:44:23,373
Speaker 16: The tactics of your team, sponsorships, who's supplying engines, who

2081
01:44:23,373 --> 01:44:26,813
Speaker 16: you're affiliated with. There this just the pressure of the

2082
01:44:26,853 --> 01:44:30,693
Speaker 16: expectation on the weekends. Knowing that like even if you weren't.

2083
01:44:30,493 --> 01:44:32,773
Speaker 2: Racing and the whole world wasn't watching you, you didn't

2084
01:44:32,773 --> 01:44:35,573
Speaker 2: have multimillion dollar contracts on the line, one era can

2085
01:44:35,613 --> 01:44:36,893
Speaker 2: be potentially fatal.

2086
01:44:37,213 --> 01:44:37,373
Speaker 4: You know.

2087
01:44:37,453 --> 01:44:38,693
Speaker 2: It's just like it's nuts to me.

2088
01:44:38,853 --> 01:44:40,573
Speaker 16: And the funny thing is it's like, with all you

2089
01:44:40,613 --> 01:44:42,973
Speaker 16: respect to Liam Lawson, it's not like he's contending for

2090
01:44:42,973 --> 01:44:45,533
Speaker 16: the title. This is using a seat here for next season.

2091
01:44:45,933 --> 01:44:47,693
Speaker 16: You know, the pointing into the title with the stapping

2092
01:44:47,733 --> 01:44:50,373
Speaker 16: against the two McLaren guys. You know, there's the real

2093
01:44:50,373 --> 01:44:52,813
Speaker 16: pressure point where we're talking about, you know, margins of

2094
01:44:52,813 --> 01:44:54,853
Speaker 16: a second and six f seven on the table or

2095
01:44:54,853 --> 01:44:57,093
Speaker 16: whatever it might be to keep a seat for next year.

2096
01:44:57,093 --> 01:44:59,013
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. All right, hey, thank you, looking forward to

2097
01:44:59,053 --> 01:45:02,373
Speaker 2: the Elliott Smith is then for weekend Sport right after

2098
01:45:02,413 --> 01:45:04,413
Speaker 2: the midday news. Before midday, we got new music for

2099
01:45:04,453 --> 01:45:07,333
Speaker 2: you from Lily Allen. Your book picks for the weekend.

2100
01:45:07,373 --> 01:45:11,813
Speaker 1: Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team fulk Show podcast on

2101
01:45:11,973 --> 01:45:15,173
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by NEWSTALKSEDB.

2102
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Speaker 2: Nineteen to twelve on Newstalks EDB. Katherine Rain's our book reviewer,

2103
01:45:19,013 --> 01:45:22,213
Speaker 2: has two great reads for us all this weekend. Good morning, Catherine,

2104
01:45:22,613 --> 01:45:25,533
Speaker 2: Morning Jack. Let's begin with the latest from John Grisham.

2105
01:45:25,533 --> 01:45:26,613
Speaker 2: Tell us about the widow.

2106
01:45:27,693 --> 01:45:31,053
Speaker 22: So this is find yourselves in rural Virginia. And there's

2107
01:45:31,093 --> 01:45:34,013
Speaker 22: this small law firm and it operates on the corner

2108
01:45:34,053 --> 01:45:37,333
Speaker 22: of Maine and Maple, and it deals in everyday issues.

2109
01:45:37,413 --> 01:45:40,653
Speaker 22: And it's been eighteen years of hard work for Simon

2110
01:45:40,733 --> 01:45:43,693
Speaker 22: Latch who's the attorney and counselor at law. And to

2111
01:45:43,773 --> 01:45:46,613
Speaker 22: be perfectly honest, he's kind of had enough of his life.

2112
01:45:47,093 --> 01:45:50,733
Speaker 22: But actually he spends any money he has on sports gambling.

2113
01:45:50,853 --> 01:45:52,973
Speaker 22: So he's in a lot of debt and struggling to

2114
01:45:53,013 --> 01:45:56,773
Speaker 22: make ends meet. When all of a sudden, this elderly

2115
01:45:56,773 --> 01:45:59,533
Speaker 22: widow named Eleanor comes into his office wanting to have

2116
01:45:59,693 --> 01:46:05,733
Speaker 22: her will redone. She's no children, but her last husband

2117
01:46:05,933 --> 01:46:09,813
Speaker 22: had a couple of young lads who she finds quite

2118
01:46:09,853 --> 01:46:12,533
Speaker 22: awful and doesn't want to have anything to do with.

2119
01:46:13,173 --> 01:46:17,493
Speaker 22: And so it really transpires in as she starts talking

2120
01:46:17,533 --> 01:46:20,213
Speaker 22: that her late husband had multiple shares in some very

2121
01:46:20,293 --> 01:46:23,013
Speaker 22: well known companies, and of course she has no one

2122
01:46:23,053 --> 01:46:26,013
Speaker 22: to leave her vast fortune too, and Simon sees this

2123
01:46:26,093 --> 01:46:29,573
Speaker 22: as an opportunity to do what all awful lawyers do

2124
01:46:29,653 --> 01:46:32,453
Speaker 22: and inflate his fees and make his life a little easier.

2125
01:46:32,933 --> 01:46:36,973
Speaker 22: But things don't go to plan at all, and Alana's

2126
01:46:36,973 --> 01:46:40,413
Speaker 22: story doesn't really make sense. Can she be trusted? She's

2127
01:46:40,973 --> 01:46:44,933
Speaker 22: very cagy in details, and she's an incredibly elusive woman.

2128
01:46:45,853 --> 01:46:48,653
Speaker 22: And then the story switches and Simon finds himself on

2129
01:46:48,773 --> 01:46:51,453
Speaker 22: trial for a crime he says that he doesn't commit.

2130
01:46:51,613 --> 01:46:54,053
Speaker 22: And that's where you head into the story that Grisham

2131
01:46:54,133 --> 01:46:57,493
Speaker 22: is so good at. You get the trial and the

2132
01:46:57,573 --> 01:47:01,733
Speaker 22: tension and the twists and some really interesting characters and

2133
01:47:01,773 --> 01:47:04,453
Speaker 22: the suspense and of course a town, small town full

2134
01:47:04,493 --> 01:47:07,453
Speaker 22: of secrets, and that court room tension, which he is

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Speaker 22: an absolute master of. So without giving too much of

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Speaker 22: the story away about how Simon ends up there, it

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Speaker 22: is perfect John Grisham, really good story.

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Speaker 2: Oh so good. Okay, cool, That's the Widow by John Grisham.

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Speaker 2: You've also read Last One Out by Jane Harper.

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Speaker 22: This also focuses on our small town and it's a

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Speaker 22: town that's losing its heart and slowly dying. And Last

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Speaker 22: One Out set in this place in use in rural

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Speaker 22: South Wales, New South Wales called Caroline Ridge, and it's

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Speaker 22: houses and buildings, once a thriving place, have been brought

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Speaker 22: up by this mining company that operates on its outskirts

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Speaker 22: and it's been really left to rot and it's almost

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Speaker 22: derilict and you hear this constant noise of the coal

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Speaker 22: mine and its operation. That's twenty four hours and it

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01:47:52,733 --> 01:47:56,773
Speaker 22: echoes through this narrative, the noise, the dust, the trucks,

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Speaker 22: and the landscape disappearing. But actually where the story starts

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Speaker 22: is with this young man, Sam Crowley on his twenty

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Speaker 22: first birthday and he's visiting these three very different, diferent

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Speaker 22: empty houses on the outskirts of the town and you

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Speaker 22: discover that this is the day and the last day

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Speaker 22: that anyone saw Sam and he's disappeared. And then the

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Speaker 22: story moves ahead five years later when Sam's mum, Row

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Speaker 22: returns to the town for the anniversary of his disappearance,

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Speaker 22: and we also meet her husband Griff, and her daughter

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Speaker 22: Delia and Delilah Sorry, and they're all dealing with their

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Speaker 22: grief and Sam's disappearance and this pressure of this town

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Speaker 22: and tearing families apart, and Roe really suspects some foul

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01:48:35,333 --> 01:48:37,693
Speaker 22: play and you really left guessing as to what happened

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Speaker 22: to Sam, and you get these kind of slow moments

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Speaker 22: in the story that gives you some clues about what

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Speaker 22: might happen. And then there's these mine owners and people

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Speaker 22: and this misplaced nostalgia about what this town is and

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01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:52,693
Speaker 22: this unraveling of this community and impact on the people.

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Speaker 22: And it is quite slow paced, but you're really drawn

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Speaker 22: into the slow unraveling of the Sam of the story

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Speaker 22: and Sam and his disappearance and the investigation by his

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Speaker 22: mum and that dry, dusty middle of Australia. Need you

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Speaker 22: feel about it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, very good. So that's last one out by Jane Harpy.

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Speaker 2: Catherine first book is The Widow, which is the latest

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01:49:13,213 --> 01:49:15,933
Speaker 2: from John Grisham. Both of those are up on the

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Speaker 2: news Talk we se'd b website and a couple of

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Speaker 2: minutes the latest album from Lily Allen, her first album

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Speaker 2: in seven years. It's called west End Girl. So I'll

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Speaker 2: pick out one of the good tracks to give you

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Speaker 2: a listen.

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Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

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Speaker 1: Know Saturday Morning with Jack dam Youth talks at me.

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Speaker 2: All alone from in a hotel on my own now

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Speaker 2: the west and.

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Speaker 6: Hi, how are you?

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Speaker 7: I miss you?

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. There's Lily Allen that songs called west End

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Speaker 2: Girl and don't worry that wasn't us doing something wrong.

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Speaker 2: That's actually how the song goes. It's a very Lily

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Speaker 2: Allen thing to kind of mess with us like that.

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Speaker 2: Chris Schultz has been listening to her new album. The

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Speaker 2: album's called west End Girl as well. Good morning, sir Jack, Well, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was. She does that a like, doesn't She's always

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Speaker 2: done a bit of a like I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 15: Now, very yeah, very personal artists always dives into her

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Speaker 15: own story, if you like her own her own whatever's

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Speaker 15: been going on in her life. We don't hear from

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Speaker 15: her a lot. She we haven't actually heard any music

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Speaker 15: from her in seven years. This was only announced about

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Speaker 15: a week ago, so it was a bit of a surprise.

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Speaker 15: Also a surprise is what it's about. This is the

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Speaker 15: most excruciatingly intimate breakup album I have ever heard.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 15: Savage, like are you a Daily Mail reader?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: Not usually I do. I did you know what I'm

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Speaker 2: going to confutre to you? I did just open the

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Speaker 2: Daily Mail so that I could look at photos of

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01:51:10,053 --> 01:51:14,373
Speaker 2: Rajasthan's prince. I am an occasional Daily Mail user. You know.

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Speaker 15: Did you see any of the stories, the multiple stories

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Speaker 15: they are writing up about this album and what she

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01:51:21,373 --> 01:51:24,893
Speaker 15: is saying. They are having a field day.

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01:51:25,053 --> 01:51:26,693
Speaker 2: It's like daily mail content.

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Speaker 15: I'll give you an example. She's got a song on

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Speaker 15: there called Tennis. It's kind of like this the centerpiece

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Speaker 15: of the album, and it's about how her husband, former husband,

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01:51:37,133 --> 01:51:39,733
Speaker 15: former husband X. We know who this is about, by

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01:51:39,733 --> 01:51:42,173
Speaker 15: the way, it's David Harbor. This the Stranger Things actor.

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Speaker 15: That makes it even more I don't know, grueling, but

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Speaker 15: Tennis is about how this guy started playing tennis on

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01:51:49,533 --> 01:51:52,173
Speaker 15: a woman I'd never played tennis before. And then she

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01:51:52,213 --> 01:51:54,813
Speaker 15: starts going through his phone, and she finds some text

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Speaker 15: from a woman called Madeline, and so she stops the

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Speaker 15: song and she just says who's Madeline over and over again,

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Speaker 15: and then she builds it into the chorus, and then

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Speaker 15: the song ends with what I believe to be an

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01:52:06,573 --> 01:52:10,093
Speaker 15: actor reading out text between her and the other woman.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, she doesn't sound like a relaxing Listen, it's not.

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Speaker 15: I when on my lunch break yesterday with my headphones on,

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01:52:18,933 --> 01:52:21,093
Speaker 15: I put it on. If you'd seen me, I was wincing.

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01:52:21,133 --> 01:52:24,613
Speaker 15: I was literally like, oh no, she didn't.

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Speaker 2: She didn't just say that.

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Speaker 15: But she sings it so sweetly. She does it in

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01:52:28,093 --> 01:52:30,973
Speaker 15: this beautiful, little angelic voice, like if you were just

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01:52:31,053 --> 01:52:32,973
Speaker 15: kind of like passing by, you'd think, oh, that's a

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01:52:33,053 --> 01:52:35,813
Speaker 15: nice pop song. If you listen to the lyrics, it

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01:52:35,893 --> 01:52:40,373
Speaker 15: is brutal, just completely sav it. It's like Beyonce's Lemonade.

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Speaker 15: You remember Becky with the good heir.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.

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01:52:42,533 --> 01:52:45,973
Speaker 15: Everyone's trying to find out her Medaline. But yeah, every

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01:52:46,053 --> 01:52:47,973
Speaker 15: song on the album is about a different part of

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01:52:47,973 --> 01:52:50,813
Speaker 15: that relationship. One of them's about her pseudonym that she

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01:52:51,013 --> 01:52:55,253
Speaker 15: uses on Tinder now Dallas. Oh wow, so's she's back out.

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Speaker 2: She's dating me right, very good on Tinder as well.

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01:52:59,933 --> 01:53:02,653
Speaker 15: It'd be a brave person at this point who would

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01:53:02,733 --> 01:53:06,013
Speaker 15: date Lily Allen. She's now done this twice to two marriages,

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Speaker 15: where she's written entire albums about.

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Speaker 2: Had been married twice.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, she's got two teenagers from the first marriage, I believe.

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01:53:13,853 --> 01:53:17,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's lived a life. Okay, so not necessarily a

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01:53:19,333 --> 01:53:22,213
Speaker 2: relaxing listen if you're focusing on a lot of the content.

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01:53:22,573 --> 01:53:24,733
Speaker 2: But what about the music itself? What was your kind

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Speaker 2: of sceense? Poppy enough, it's.

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Speaker 15: Kind of what it's called West End Girl, and it's

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Speaker 15: got a bit of a theatrical bent to it. Yeah,

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01:53:30,493 --> 01:53:34,893
Speaker 15: it's upbeat, it's sparkly, and yeah, like I said, she

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01:53:34,933 --> 01:53:37,653
Speaker 15: sings really sweetly, So it does. It's off putting because

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01:53:37,653 --> 01:53:39,253
Speaker 15: you're listening and you're like, oh, this is this is

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01:53:39,293 --> 01:53:41,333
Speaker 15: a nice vibe, and then you listen to what she's

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01:53:41,373 --> 01:53:45,693
Speaker 15: saying and it's like you almost want to sit there

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01:53:45,693 --> 01:53:48,133
Speaker 15: with a notebook, like it's like going through someone's diary

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01:53:48,173 --> 01:53:50,733
Speaker 15: and almost you know, like she talks about going through

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01:53:50,773 --> 01:53:54,733
Speaker 15: his bedside drawer and then how he snatched the phone

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Speaker 15: off her when when she was looking at his Instagram, right,

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01:53:57,733 --> 01:54:01,293
Speaker 15: and how he bought a handbag for another woman and

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Speaker 15: it was really expensive. By the way, I should point

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Speaker 15: out she's said that this is a mix of fact

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Speaker 15: and fiction, so we don't know what is real and

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Speaker 15: what isn't. But it's so specific I would I think

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Speaker 15: I'm I'm going towards like most of this as feels like.

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Speaker 2: Fact because it's so detailed, and maybe the fact in

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01:54:18,933 --> 01:54:21,493
Speaker 2: fiction is the way to get around some legal issues.

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Speaker 15: That's also what I think too.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Right, So when you think about her previous albums

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Speaker 2: and her breakthrough the one last seven years ago? What

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01:54:29,253 --> 01:54:30,933
Speaker 2: was the one seven years ago called I Can't remember?

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Speaker 2: How does it compare?

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Speaker 11: Like? Is it?

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01:54:34,253 --> 01:54:36,573
Speaker 2: Is it? Are we going to hear it playing in

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01:54:36,613 --> 01:54:38,413
Speaker 2: every shop leading up to Christmas? Is that it got

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01:54:38,413 --> 01:54:40,293
Speaker 2: that kind of retail pop appeal that some of their

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01:54:40,333 --> 01:54:41,973
Speaker 2: previous i've had or not so much.

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Speaker 15: I think the lyrics, I mean there's a lot of

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01:54:43,533 --> 01:54:45,613
Speaker 15: swearing in it, right, so I don't think it's that

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01:54:45,773 --> 01:54:48,133
Speaker 15: radio friendly. I could see people going along to the show.

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01:54:48,133 --> 01:54:50,453
Speaker 15: If you've been spurned, if you're in a breakup right now,

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01:54:50,453 --> 01:54:52,453
Speaker 15: you would want to Yelly's lyrics from the top of

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01:54:52,493 --> 01:54:54,613
Speaker 15: your lungs. I reckon this is going to reignite your career.

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Speaker 15: It's had rave reviews across the board. Yeah, a lot

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01:54:57,653 --> 01:55:00,933
Speaker 15: of five star reviews. Yeah, I love it. I mean

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01:55:01,093 --> 01:55:04,093
Speaker 15: maybe not from David Harbor. It feels definitely not from

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01:55:04,133 --> 01:55:06,373
Speaker 15: David Harbor. It feels like a Fiona Apple album.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, yeah right, yeah, yeah, that's personal. Yeah, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: We'll have a bit more of a listener in a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes. What'd you give it?

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Speaker 15: I'm giving it four stars?

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, which is eight out of ten in our

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Speaker 2: rating system, eight out of ten, maybe even a nine

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Speaker 2: out of time. I love it, Chris. Thank you, Chris Schultz.

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Speaker 2: And with his thoughts on Lily Allen's new album. You

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Speaker 2: can find Chris on substeak. Of course, you can see

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Speaker 2: his substack. It's called boiler Room. And we'll have a

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Speaker 2: bit more of a listen to Lily album, Lily Allen's

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Speaker 2: new album in a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jatam

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Speaker 2: For weekends. Sport of thanks is always to my wonderful

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Speaker 2: producer Libby for organizing the whole show. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I've just realized it's two months to Christmas. It's the

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Speaker 2: twenty fifth of October today, gulp, get organized. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: leave you with Lily Allen. Her new album is west

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Speaker 2: End Girl. This is four chan stand. See you next week.

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