1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk sed B. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,827 Speaker 2: Hey, great pleasure to welcome in three Blues three or 4 00:00:15,867 --> 00:00:18,307 Speaker 2: Black's Patrick two plot to Caleb Clark, Mark Tala, Great 5 00:00:18,347 --> 00:00:20,747 Speaker 2: to see you guys, Thanks for stopping in. Let's get 6 00:00:20,747 --> 00:00:23,747 Speaker 2: the medical ward out of the way first. Patrick, what's 7 00:00:23,827 --> 00:00:27,147 Speaker 2: the situation with your with your knee, your latest injury. 8 00:00:27,147 --> 00:00:28,387 Speaker 2: When can we expect to see your back? 9 00:00:29,787 --> 00:00:30,027 Speaker 3: Yeah? 10 00:00:30,027 --> 00:00:33,867 Speaker 4: I've actually got a tear on my calf, so I 11 00:00:33,987 --> 00:00:37,267 Speaker 4: actually don't know what the return of the players could be. Four, 12 00:00:37,387 --> 00:00:39,587 Speaker 4: could be six weeks, so playing it by a year 13 00:00:39,587 --> 00:00:42,347 Speaker 4: and just sort of rehabing, taking each day as it goes. 14 00:00:42,507 --> 00:00:44,867 Speaker 2: So you'll stay in and around the team just while 15 00:00:44,907 --> 00:00:47,627 Speaker 2: while that rehap happens. Yeah, can I take you back 16 00:00:47,627 --> 00:00:49,467 Speaker 2: to the Super Rugby Final. I know you've been asked 17 00:00:49,507 --> 00:00:53,347 Speaker 2: this question a thousand times about your your miraculous recovery. 18 00:00:53,587 --> 00:00:55,627 Speaker 2: We all thought you were going to be out for weeks. 19 00:00:56,707 --> 00:00:59,147 Speaker 2: Can you give us some insight into how you came 20 00:00:59,187 --> 00:00:59,907 Speaker 2: back so quickly? 21 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:06,507 Speaker 4: I know, what'd I say, world class recovery protocols, but 22 00:01:06,947 --> 00:01:11,547 Speaker 4: I don't know it's Yeah, certainly felt that my emcl 23 00:01:11,667 --> 00:01:15,147 Speaker 4: was gone or torn did my other one last year, 24 00:01:15,187 --> 00:01:18,587 Speaker 4: so I need the feeling. And then had pretty much 25 00:01:18,627 --> 00:01:23,147 Speaker 4: had the whole week at home an ice and then yeah, 26 00:01:23,307 --> 00:01:25,347 Speaker 4: come in the week of the final on Monday to 27 00:01:25,467 --> 00:01:28,707 Speaker 4: start to rehab, and I was able to do more 28 00:01:28,747 --> 00:01:32,827 Speaker 4: than then the actual reheab I was doing. So I 29 00:01:32,867 --> 00:01:34,827 Speaker 4: was doing a bit of jogging, running around, and then 30 00:01:35,347 --> 00:01:39,067 Speaker 4: physiosts sort of pushed then you can do a few 31 00:01:39,107 --> 00:01:41,987 Speaker 4: line that jumps and start running. And then made the 32 00:01:42,067 --> 00:01:45,547 Speaker 4: call and got help through the weekend, made it to 33 00:01:45,587 --> 00:01:49,467 Speaker 4: the Grand Final, and yeah, I think I suppose anyone 34 00:01:49,507 --> 00:01:51,947 Speaker 4: else was injured at that point. We wanted to play 35 00:01:51,947 --> 00:01:53,627 Speaker 4: as well, so there's nothing different. 36 00:01:53,907 --> 00:01:56,107 Speaker 2: And then and then two tough tests against England as well, 37 00:01:56,267 --> 00:01:58,187 Speaker 2: Like it wasn't like you said, like a Super Rugby final, 38 00:01:58,627 --> 00:02:01,867 Speaker 2: I'll recover now two tough tests against England. So yeah, 39 00:02:02,507 --> 00:02:04,307 Speaker 2: you must actually be quite enjoying a bit of a break. 40 00:02:04,307 --> 00:02:06,067 Speaker 3: A ye, Yeah, it was a good break. 41 00:02:06,467 --> 00:02:08,947 Speaker 4: The boys went over to San Diego and I stayed 42 00:02:08,947 --> 00:02:12,667 Speaker 4: back to freshing up and probably freshing up too well 43 00:02:12,707 --> 00:02:15,707 Speaker 4: because I ended up with a cut here. But yeah, 44 00:02:16,067 --> 00:02:18,867 Speaker 4: feeling good, body's feeling good and just ready to. 45 00:02:18,827 --> 00:02:22,587 Speaker 2: Go caliber to bring you and on a Super Rugby Final. 46 00:02:22,627 --> 00:02:24,787 Speaker 2: Obviously the Blues have wanted to startle for a long time. 47 00:02:25,347 --> 00:02:28,307 Speaker 2: What when you reflect back now on the Grand Final 48 00:02:28,307 --> 00:02:29,987 Speaker 2: and the season as a whole, what do you think 49 00:02:29,987 --> 00:02:32,587 Speaker 2: it was that that gave you the ability to get 50 00:02:32,587 --> 00:02:33,187 Speaker 2: it done this time? 51 00:02:34,387 --> 00:02:34,547 Speaker 3: Yeah? 52 00:02:34,587 --> 00:02:36,867 Speaker 5: I think it was just a mix up a lot 53 00:02:36,867 --> 00:02:40,467 Speaker 5: of things, to be fair, starting with the players that 54 00:02:40,467 --> 00:02:42,787 Speaker 5: had been around for such a long time. And I'm 55 00:02:42,827 --> 00:02:45,467 Speaker 5: sitting with Mark and Patty and the three of us 56 00:02:45,507 --> 00:02:47,787 Speaker 5: have been in the team sort of five plus years, 57 00:02:47,827 --> 00:02:49,987 Speaker 5: and I think when we look back to those sort 58 00:02:50,027 --> 00:02:52,147 Speaker 5: of harder times, we didn't have the sort of depth 59 00:02:52,147 --> 00:02:55,627 Speaker 5: that we did back then with the players that had 60 00:02:55,627 --> 00:02:58,307 Speaker 5: been around. So yeah, I think that was sort of 61 00:02:58,507 --> 00:03:00,947 Speaker 5: one thing that played a part, and then two sort 62 00:03:00,947 --> 00:03:03,707 Speaker 5: of vern as well gave us a style or play 63 00:03:03,787 --> 00:03:06,827 Speaker 5: that he knew suited us, and one we sort of 64 00:03:06,827 --> 00:03:08,747 Speaker 5: believed in it. We just ran with it, and it 65 00:03:08,827 --> 00:03:12,707 Speaker 5: took us probably probably two to three rounds figuring it out. 66 00:03:12,707 --> 00:03:15,867 Speaker 5: And then after that sort of just it just became 67 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:18,427 Speaker 5: natural to all of us to to sort of what 68 00:03:18,467 --> 00:03:20,507 Speaker 5: you saw and what we what we did out there, 69 00:03:20,507 --> 00:03:24,947 Speaker 5: and so yeah, after that it just came into came 70 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:26,867 Speaker 5: in each stay, just having fun with all our mates 71 00:03:26,907 --> 00:03:32,267 Speaker 5: and enjoying the process. Whatever game we had, whatever occasion, 72 00:03:32,267 --> 00:03:34,787 Speaker 5: it was very never sort of made it bigger than 73 00:03:34,787 --> 00:03:37,707 Speaker 5: what actually was. Sort of looking back at the final 74 00:03:37,907 --> 00:03:39,507 Speaker 5: remember in the week, he sort of said, play to 75 00:03:39,587 --> 00:03:42,387 Speaker 5: the game, not the occasion. It's just another game and 76 00:03:42,427 --> 00:03:45,387 Speaker 5: it's just about us going through our process. And so yeah, 77 00:03:45,387 --> 00:03:47,747 Speaker 5: I think what you saw, not just the twenty three 78 00:03:47,787 --> 00:03:50,947 Speaker 5: that was out there on the field, but everyone that 79 00:03:51,027 --> 00:03:53,307 Speaker 5: played a part in us sort of winning the whole 80 00:03:53,307 --> 00:03:55,587 Speaker 5: thing was everyone was just important as each other, and 81 00:03:55,627 --> 00:03:58,667 Speaker 5: so yeah, I think that's sort of reflecting big That's how. 82 00:03:59,107 --> 00:04:00,667 Speaker 2: How did you feel about the game plan when he 83 00:04:00,707 --> 00:04:03,547 Speaker 2: first presented it to you? Did you straight away think okay, yeah, cool, 84 00:04:03,587 --> 00:04:04,907 Speaker 2: even though it's maybe forward based. 85 00:04:05,427 --> 00:04:07,627 Speaker 5: No, it was actually like it took a little bit 86 00:04:07,707 --> 00:04:11,347 Speaker 5: bit of time, especially for us backs. I remember a 87 00:04:11,387 --> 00:04:14,267 Speaker 5: couple of trainings earlier in the year, he fully stopped 88 00:04:14,347 --> 00:04:16,547 Speaker 5: us if we were running through team stuff and he said, no, 89 00:04:16,627 --> 00:04:19,507 Speaker 5: not like that, go back and do it again. And 90 00:04:19,667 --> 00:04:22,027 Speaker 5: we were trying to play wide or do some fancy 91 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:25,747 Speaker 5: stuff that at the time wasn't necessary that we thought oh, 92 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:28,027 Speaker 5: you know, like, no, we need to. But you know, 93 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:30,627 Speaker 5: he stripped us right back to the to the basics 94 00:04:30,627 --> 00:04:32,947 Speaker 5: and showed us clips of when we were at our 95 00:04:32,947 --> 00:04:35,307 Speaker 5: best as a team, and that's just sort of what 96 00:04:35,387 --> 00:04:38,187 Speaker 5: we did, and we just ran with it. And Mark 97 00:04:38,227 --> 00:04:39,947 Speaker 5: and I were pretty happy that we could get amongst 98 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:43,547 Speaker 5: them with the forwards, you know, just even for myself, 99 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:45,547 Speaker 5: I was getting probably ten more ball carries and I 100 00:04:45,587 --> 00:04:48,027 Speaker 5: would have compared to last year and the years before. 101 00:04:48,107 --> 00:04:50,787 Speaker 5: So yeah, I think we just really enjoyed and had 102 00:04:50,827 --> 00:04:51,387 Speaker 5: heaps of fun. 103 00:04:51,547 --> 00:04:53,267 Speaker 2: You look it as well, Mark obviously that you know 104 00:04:53,307 --> 00:04:55,427 Speaker 2: the I guess you think about a backline move and 105 00:04:55,427 --> 00:04:57,227 Speaker 2: it ends up with you guys out wide and scoring 106 00:04:57,267 --> 00:04:59,187 Speaker 2: at the corner. But it wasn't the you know, the 107 00:04:59,467 --> 00:05:02,027 Speaker 2: necessarily of the operational game plan for the Blues. Did 108 00:05:02,027 --> 00:05:03,907 Speaker 2: you enjoy going in and looking through a bit of 109 00:05:03,907 --> 00:05:05,347 Speaker 2: a work sort of one off running and that sort 110 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:05,587 Speaker 2: of thing. 111 00:05:05,667 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, I guess anytime you can try and 112 00:05:07,947 --> 00:05:11,747 Speaker 6: get involved as a winger nowadays as massive and also 113 00:05:11,787 --> 00:05:14,067 Speaker 6: to help out our forwards. You know, we asks a 114 00:05:14,147 --> 00:05:15,947 Speaker 6: lot from them, and you know it's not easy pushing 115 00:05:15,987 --> 00:05:18,187 Speaker 6: mores and scrims and stuff. Like that, or just chilling 116 00:05:18,187 --> 00:05:20,787 Speaker 6: on the wing waiting for the ball. So you know, 117 00:05:20,827 --> 00:05:22,947 Speaker 6: when the opportunity comes, you try and get involved as 118 00:05:22,987 --> 00:05:23,507 Speaker 6: much as you can. 119 00:05:23,547 --> 00:05:26,347 Speaker 2: So how do you know when? I'm sure you know 120 00:05:26,547 --> 00:05:28,107 Speaker 2: within the game plan, but you know you always hear 121 00:05:28,107 --> 00:05:30,747 Speaker 2: about look at that wing, he's looking for work. I'm 122 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 2: sure you're always looking for work. When do you know 123 00:05:32,747 --> 00:05:34,187 Speaker 2: when to look for work and actually when to stay 124 00:05:34,187 --> 00:05:34,587 Speaker 2: where you are? 125 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:40,347 Speaker 6: I guess it varies, you know. I guess if when 126 00:05:40,347 --> 00:05:43,387 Speaker 6: you your forwards are carrying and you've got good momentum, 127 00:05:43,387 --> 00:05:45,427 Speaker 6: you know you can try and pop up where you can, 128 00:05:45,467 --> 00:05:48,907 Speaker 6: and yeah, I guess if you're hungry for it, you know, 129 00:05:48,907 --> 00:05:51,347 Speaker 6: if you want to scuss some tries like my mate 130 00:05:51,387 --> 00:05:51,867 Speaker 6: that over here? 131 00:05:52,027 --> 00:05:53,707 Speaker 3: Yeah, then I guess yeah. 132 00:05:53,707 --> 00:05:55,587 Speaker 6: You just you just try and get off your wing 133 00:05:55,627 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 6: and get involved, and there'll be times where you don't, 134 00:05:58,947 --> 00:06:00,747 Speaker 6: there'll be times where you do. And I think as 135 00:06:00,747 --> 00:06:02,627 Speaker 6: a winger, you just have to find the best moment. 136 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:04,947 Speaker 2: Yeah, so team tries nine tries, right? I think in 137 00:06:04,987 --> 00:06:11,107 Speaker 2: the Super Rugby, do like, do you guys compete? I 138 00:06:11,147 --> 00:06:13,067 Speaker 2: know it's a team game, but do you like. 139 00:06:13,667 --> 00:06:16,467 Speaker 6: Me personally or whatever gets us over the chalk, you know, 140 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:19,947 Speaker 6: to be honest as a team, I just I just 141 00:06:19,947 --> 00:06:22,027 Speaker 6: want our team to win for me, and then whoever 142 00:06:22,107 --> 00:06:26,427 Speaker 6: scoring scoring. You know, you can have our ten having 143 00:06:26,427 --> 00:06:28,627 Speaker 6: the master tist and not getting any credit for it. 144 00:06:28,667 --> 00:06:30,827 Speaker 6: But you know, at the end of the day or 145 00:06:30,947 --> 00:06:33,947 Speaker 6: they're the winning you know, So that's how I see it. 146 00:06:34,547 --> 00:06:35,107 Speaker 6: How do you see it? 147 00:06:36,067 --> 00:06:38,387 Speaker 5: You got ten, twelve? 148 00:06:40,707 --> 00:06:44,227 Speaker 2: Whatever gets you across the Yeah, but I didn't check 149 00:06:44,267 --> 00:06:47,867 Speaker 2: your try Statsaddy? What about a couple? Surely you always 150 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:50,307 Speaker 2: pop up you know there or thereabouts? What we what 151 00:06:50,347 --> 00:06:51,787 Speaker 2: your Blues try stats this year? 152 00:06:52,627 --> 00:06:53,587 Speaker 3: I don't think I scored. 153 00:06:55,267 --> 00:06:57,027 Speaker 2: You missed a couple of games, so you know that's 154 00:06:57,067 --> 00:06:58,027 Speaker 2: probably an excuse. 155 00:06:58,307 --> 00:07:02,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, not heavily take zero tries one championship? 156 00:07:02,987 --> 00:07:08,027 Speaker 2: Yeah too much. Yeah, E've around this team for a 157 00:07:08,067 --> 00:07:13,507 Speaker 2: decade now, the All Blacks I'm talking about now, but yeah, yeah, 158 00:07:13,667 --> 00:07:17,187 Speaker 2: but different though, no Sam Whitelocke, no body retallic anymore. 159 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:19,027 Speaker 2: That so he got a lot of experience to come out. 160 00:07:19,667 --> 00:07:22,747 Speaker 2: Have you felt the need to step into a greater 161 00:07:22,867 --> 00:07:25,587 Speaker 2: leadership role in the second row and in the forde 162 00:07:25,587 --> 00:07:27,027 Speaker 2: in particular? Without those two there. 163 00:07:29,667 --> 00:07:32,747 Speaker 4: Probably haven't felt the need to this sort of just happened. 164 00:07:32,787 --> 00:07:38,707 Speaker 4: You know, those are two pretty big personalities or leaders 165 00:07:38,707 --> 00:07:41,907 Speaker 4: in this game, on this team, and I'm not going 166 00:07:41,987 --> 00:07:44,467 Speaker 4: to come in here and try do what they did. 167 00:07:44,587 --> 00:07:46,267 Speaker 4: You know, are going to come in here and be myself. 168 00:07:46,307 --> 00:07:49,307 Speaker 4: So these aspects of what I've learned over the years 169 00:07:50,227 --> 00:07:53,467 Speaker 4: that I can bring in terms of my own leadership stole, 170 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:56,227 Speaker 4: and it's probably more around just serving the team. I 171 00:07:56,307 --> 00:07:58,667 Speaker 4: probably won't talk much, but I'll be out there helping 172 00:07:58,667 --> 00:08:01,787 Speaker 4: out and trying to do my best to serve everyone 173 00:08:02,147 --> 00:08:05,667 Speaker 4: where I can. So, yeah, I suppose that's the beauty 174 00:08:05,667 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 4: of sort of a new coaching and management stuff as well. 175 00:08:10,507 --> 00:08:12,987 Speaker 4: They're giving us free reign to do what we want 176 00:08:12,987 --> 00:08:15,987 Speaker 4: in terms of leadership. And I think most of the 177 00:08:16,027 --> 00:08:19,307 Speaker 4: young most of the leadership group now is quite young. 178 00:08:19,347 --> 00:08:23,507 Speaker 2: And you tell us about Sam Dowry coming into the 179 00:08:23,507 --> 00:08:25,627 Speaker 2: All Blacks. I thought he was good on Saturday Night. 180 00:08:25,667 --> 00:08:27,227 Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't seem like he's overawed by it 181 00:08:27,267 --> 00:08:31,107 Speaker 2: at all. What's what have your says? His his immersion 182 00:08:31,147 --> 00:08:33,467 Speaker 2: into into the All Blacks quite early in his career obviously, 183 00:08:33,467 --> 00:08:35,867 Speaker 2: but what have you have you assessed that. 184 00:08:36,267 --> 00:08:38,107 Speaker 3: He's been aweso To me? I feel like a proud dad. 185 00:08:40,947 --> 00:08:43,747 Speaker 4: I probably I remember the first time I met him, 186 00:08:43,787 --> 00:08:46,147 Speaker 4: sort of trying to get him to sign for Auckland 187 00:08:46,827 --> 00:08:49,347 Speaker 4: all the Blues, and then when he actually signed it 188 00:08:49,387 --> 00:08:51,307 Speaker 4: was pretty happy. And then just to see his growth. 189 00:08:51,427 --> 00:08:53,627 Speaker 4: I mean in the last year or two, he's probably 190 00:08:54,427 --> 00:08:59,227 Speaker 4: become a man. I'd say, just in terms of just 191 00:08:59,267 --> 00:09:04,307 Speaker 4: the terms pay. He's probably developed more in the last 192 00:09:04,347 --> 00:09:10,227 Speaker 4: two years. He's in the tough stuff, getting physical, He's 193 00:09:10,227 --> 00:09:11,547 Speaker 4: scored more TRAZI me this years. 194 00:09:11,627 --> 00:09:14,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, true, Yeah, I'm glad I brought that up. Yeah, 195 00:09:14,827 --> 00:09:16,627 Speaker 2: but can you can you, like I say, can you 196 00:09:16,667 --> 00:09:19,067 Speaker 2: tell when a guy comes in, a new guy, especially 197 00:09:19,107 --> 00:09:20,787 Speaker 2: in the you know, in the in the Type five, 198 00:09:20,867 --> 00:09:23,427 Speaker 2: can you tell pretty quickly whether they're going to have 199 00:09:23,427 --> 00:09:26,227 Speaker 2: what it takes to first fit in the Blues environment 200 00:09:26,227 --> 00:09:28,227 Speaker 2: then but then potentially also make that next step. Can 201 00:09:28,267 --> 00:09:29,667 Speaker 2: you tell. 202 00:09:29,707 --> 00:09:30,187 Speaker 3: Yes or no? 203 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:33,667 Speaker 4: And I suppose in the case of Sam Derry, when 204 00:09:33,707 --> 00:09:36,387 Speaker 4: he's coming to the ABE, he's camp. He's contributed right 205 00:09:36,387 --> 00:09:39,107 Speaker 4: from the start. He hasn't held back, and that's probably 206 00:09:39,107 --> 00:09:41,747 Speaker 4: the most pleasing thing to see. He's not scared to 207 00:09:41,787 --> 00:09:43,947 Speaker 4: contribute and put his hand up where he can because 208 00:09:44,467 --> 00:09:47,827 Speaker 4: whatever he contributors probably worth a lot. Well, I know 209 00:09:47,867 --> 00:09:49,867 Speaker 4: it's with a lot in terms of being in the 210 00:09:49,867 --> 00:09:52,787 Speaker 4: lineup group and running the cutter around. 211 00:09:52,587 --> 00:09:53,227 Speaker 3: The Ford stuff. 212 00:09:53,587 --> 00:09:56,707 Speaker 2: It's being the running the cutter calb Harry Plummer. I 213 00:09:56,747 --> 00:09:58,547 Speaker 2: know he's a guy who's held in a huge regard 214 00:09:58,587 --> 00:10:01,547 Speaker 2: in the Blues environment and I think that you know, 215 00:10:01,587 --> 00:10:03,227 Speaker 2: there was I don't know whether there was a shift 216 00:10:03,307 --> 00:10:06,467 Speaker 2: or not, but everyone I think was really impressed to 217 00:10:06,587 --> 00:10:08,867 Speaker 2: the way he guided you guys around when he was 218 00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:11,347 Speaker 2: in the teen jumper. He's got an opportunity in the 219 00:10:11,347 --> 00:10:14,147 Speaker 2: All Blacks now as well. I guess presumably knew that 220 00:10:14,227 --> 00:10:17,707 Speaker 2: he had what it takes to really be a top 221 00:10:17,747 --> 00:10:18,267 Speaker 2: top player. 222 00:10:18,747 --> 00:10:23,187 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. And you know, for myself, I've been playing 223 00:10:23,227 --> 00:10:26,587 Speaker 5: alongside has been playing against has since school since he 224 00:10:26,667 --> 00:10:28,707 Speaker 5: was sort of like twelve thirteen years old, and so 225 00:10:28,747 --> 00:10:33,027 Speaker 5: it's pretty awesome getting to journey through our sort of 226 00:10:33,107 --> 00:10:35,947 Speaker 5: rugby career together and seeing him where he is now 227 00:10:36,067 --> 00:10:39,147 Speaker 5: is real cool because in the start of our sort 228 00:10:39,147 --> 00:10:43,187 Speaker 5: of professional careers he had it quite tough, sort of 229 00:10:43,187 --> 00:10:46,107 Speaker 5: the twenty nineteen twenty eighteen season. I know for him 230 00:10:46,147 --> 00:10:50,507 Speaker 5: it wasn't his most memorable, so seeing him to where 231 00:10:50,547 --> 00:10:53,187 Speaker 5: he is now just you know, like like Patty said, 232 00:10:53,187 --> 00:10:56,947 Speaker 5: the growth that he showed, it's just Beenden, real cool. 233 00:10:56,947 --> 00:10:59,147 Speaker 5: And also with him getting to do with his dad 234 00:10:59,187 --> 00:11:02,547 Speaker 5: alongside him, Mark who's a physiot the Blues. It's just 235 00:11:03,427 --> 00:11:06,907 Speaker 5: and this Mark too, but you know, just getting to 236 00:11:07,187 --> 00:11:10,427 Speaker 5: getting to see you know, his potential and you know, 237 00:11:10,467 --> 00:11:12,747 Speaker 5: finally what we saw especially in school. 238 00:11:12,747 --> 00:11:13,627 Speaker 2: I remember playing him. 239 00:11:13,507 --> 00:11:15,587 Speaker 5: And we'd be like, don't get a penalty inside our 240 00:11:15,587 --> 00:11:19,067 Speaker 5: half because you just kick it. But just seeing him 241 00:11:19,107 --> 00:11:22,347 Speaker 5: and seeing his growth, just seeing the Harry Plumber that 242 00:11:22,387 --> 00:11:24,467 Speaker 5: we are known finally New zealand starting to see it, 243 00:11:24,467 --> 00:11:25,987 Speaker 5: it's just just real pleasing to see. 244 00:11:26,267 --> 00:11:27,867 Speaker 2: How do you guys go? Because there are guys in 245 00:11:27,907 --> 00:11:29,907 Speaker 2: the Blues who make the all Blacks. There are guys 246 00:11:29,907 --> 00:11:31,667 Speaker 2: in the Blues who get called into the all Blacks. 247 00:11:31,707 --> 00:11:34,147 Speaker 2: There are guys who probably think, you know, have designs 248 00:11:34,147 --> 00:11:36,307 Speaker 2: on being and all black, and who aren't. I look 249 00:11:36,307 --> 00:11:39,267 Speaker 2: at Hoskins for example, Finlay's not in the latest squad. 250 00:11:39,587 --> 00:11:41,827 Speaker 2: How you how do you manage that dynamic of of 251 00:11:41,987 --> 00:11:46,147 Speaker 2: you know, of being disappointed for the guys who aren't there, 252 00:11:46,187 --> 00:11:48,787 Speaker 2: but also being part of this all Blacks team environment 253 00:11:48,787 --> 00:11:49,627 Speaker 2: which is a higher base. 254 00:11:49,747 --> 00:11:54,027 Speaker 5: Again, Yeah, I think it's just the balances, like we 255 00:11:54,107 --> 00:11:56,427 Speaker 5: are human and we all we all feel for our friends, 256 00:11:56,507 --> 00:11:58,707 Speaker 5: especially our brothers that didn't make it, like you mentioned, 257 00:11:58,707 --> 00:12:01,187 Speaker 5: and so I think it's just taking it one step 258 00:12:01,227 --> 00:12:05,027 Speaker 5: at a time sort of when the initial squad got announced, 259 00:12:05,027 --> 00:12:07,227 Speaker 5: some of the messaging Houst and talking to him, and 260 00:12:07,267 --> 00:12:08,907 Speaker 5: I know I wouldn't be the only one as well 261 00:12:09,387 --> 00:12:10,987 Speaker 5: to sort of reach out to see how he's doing, 262 00:12:11,027 --> 00:12:14,667 Speaker 5: and even with thin Lay now, So yeah, it's just 263 00:12:14,707 --> 00:12:17,707 Speaker 5: about taking it one step at a time, and after 264 00:12:17,747 --> 00:12:19,707 Speaker 5: sort of reaching out, making sure they are good, it's 265 00:12:19,867 --> 00:12:22,267 Speaker 5: parking then and then remembering that we have a job 266 00:12:22,307 --> 00:12:22,947 Speaker 5: to do as well. 267 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:27,267 Speaker 2: It's a pretty competitive bunch of back three players at 268 00:12:27,307 --> 00:12:27,907 Speaker 2: the moment, isn't it. 269 00:12:27,907 --> 00:12:28,107 Speaker 3: Mark? 270 00:12:28,147 --> 00:12:31,307 Speaker 2: You know obviously you two and then see Will Jordan's 271 00:12:31,307 --> 00:12:35,107 Speaker 2: coming back, you know, Stevie pettiferta body. How does the 272 00:12:35,187 --> 00:12:37,947 Speaker 2: dynamic worth working in all blacks environment when everybody wants 273 00:12:38,187 --> 00:12:40,307 Speaker 2: to play but you want what's best for. 274 00:12:40,267 --> 00:12:44,107 Speaker 6: This team, I guess you know you compete, you know 275 00:12:44,147 --> 00:12:48,347 Speaker 6: everyone's competitive, and when it comes to selections, you know, 276 00:12:48,387 --> 00:12:51,627 Speaker 6: the coach pick who who's performing the best, and you know, 277 00:12:51,667 --> 00:12:54,667 Speaker 6: we all support each other and whoever selected, whoever's playing 278 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:57,907 Speaker 6: in their position, and I guess that's the I guess 279 00:12:57,987 --> 00:13:00,147 Speaker 6: that's what we want out of each other the best. 280 00:13:00,267 --> 00:13:04,627 Speaker 6: So every time we're training whatever, it looks like, demanding 281 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:07,467 Speaker 6: so much from each other. And you know, whoever puts 282 00:13:07,507 --> 00:13:09,627 Speaker 6: their best foot forward as the player to get the 283 00:13:09,667 --> 00:13:11,987 Speaker 6: position and if the coach selects them, and I know 284 00:13:12,027 --> 00:13:14,467 Speaker 6: all the boys and our team is similar, you know, 285 00:13:14,787 --> 00:13:17,987 Speaker 6: in whatever position it is. And you know you got 286 00:13:18,027 --> 00:13:21,227 Speaker 6: Will coming back now and Sieves is playing good, and 287 00:13:21,307 --> 00:13:23,227 Speaker 6: so like, the competition is there and you still got 288 00:13:23,267 --> 00:13:26,147 Speaker 6: a Caleb here as well. So you know everyone's hungry 289 00:13:26,147 --> 00:13:28,227 Speaker 6: for it, and whoever gets it gets it, And I 290 00:13:28,267 --> 00:13:31,427 Speaker 6: guess that's what keeps us all honest. And as me 291 00:13:31,467 --> 00:13:34,547 Speaker 6: as a player, you know you can't there's nothing you 292 00:13:34,587 --> 00:13:37,947 Speaker 6: wouldn't you know, want to, I guess put under the rug. 293 00:13:37,987 --> 00:13:39,707 Speaker 6: You know you want to do everything right and take 294 00:13:39,747 --> 00:13:40,387 Speaker 6: the opportunity. 295 00:13:40,387 --> 00:13:43,947 Speaker 2: You can say you were an awarded breakthrough Player of 296 00:13:43,987 --> 00:13:47,867 Speaker 2: the Year last year. It almost suggests that you weren't 297 00:13:47,867 --> 00:13:49,467 Speaker 2: there good before, but you're good now. But I'm sure 298 00:13:49,507 --> 00:13:51,107 Speaker 2: that's not the case. You've always been in good haven't 299 00:13:51,147 --> 00:13:54,107 Speaker 2: you always have always though, you were able to make 300 00:13:54,147 --> 00:13:56,787 Speaker 2: the ship to the You're Blacks, not just in one year 301 00:13:56,867 --> 00:13:57,027 Speaker 2: like that. 302 00:13:57,187 --> 00:14:01,227 Speaker 6: Nah, that came from a lot of a lot of 303 00:14:01,227 --> 00:14:05,627 Speaker 6: hard work, a lot of work behind the scenes. And 304 00:14:06,187 --> 00:14:09,027 Speaker 6: I guess you know, the time that you spend where 305 00:14:09,027 --> 00:14:11,387 Speaker 6: people don't really see, I guess that's what you build 306 00:14:11,427 --> 00:14:13,827 Speaker 6: your character. You know, the res a liens that you 307 00:14:13,827 --> 00:14:15,947 Speaker 6: have to keep grinding for the goals that you desire. 308 00:14:16,507 --> 00:14:18,867 Speaker 6: And I guess my journey was a long one, not 309 00:14:18,907 --> 00:14:22,107 Speaker 6: a fast one. So I give it to the people 310 00:14:22,107 --> 00:14:24,907 Speaker 6: that helped me, supported me through my journey and for 311 00:14:25,027 --> 00:14:27,467 Speaker 6: them to see me here now you know we can all, 312 00:14:27,587 --> 00:14:30,827 Speaker 6: you know, celebrate together. But job's not finished. Well we're 313 00:14:30,827 --> 00:14:32,667 Speaker 6: still going and enjoying the journey. 314 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:36,987 Speaker 2: What my brothers you want all named Evander after evand 315 00:14:38,427 --> 00:14:41,787 Speaker 2: research is it after the boxer? 316 00:14:41,867 --> 00:14:42,067 Speaker 3: Yeah? 317 00:14:42,147 --> 00:14:42,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, get out? 318 00:14:42,907 --> 00:14:44,267 Speaker 6: Yeah so watch out mat. 319 00:14:51,787 --> 00:14:54,147 Speaker 2: So they should have given you the first name Evander Tala, 320 00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:55,227 Speaker 2: that's a that's a name. 321 00:14:55,867 --> 00:14:58,787 Speaker 3: Mark better? Better? 322 00:14:58,867 --> 00:15:01,187 Speaker 2: Can I bring you back? And again, you know, you 323 00:15:01,227 --> 00:15:03,947 Speaker 2: guys have been around professional rugby. You know you can't 324 00:15:03,987 --> 00:15:07,187 Speaker 2: win every game. What's the Monday after and all loss? 325 00:15:07,587 --> 00:15:13,027 Speaker 4: Like yeah, pretty well, I suppose Sunday is pretty tough. 326 00:15:13,107 --> 00:15:16,187 Speaker 4: You know, we were hurting in the change shit after, 327 00:15:16,267 --> 00:15:19,747 Speaker 4: but you know, there's another game to play in seven days, 328 00:15:19,787 --> 00:15:23,867 Speaker 4: so you can be said, you can be down, but 329 00:15:24,227 --> 00:15:25,947 Speaker 4: come Monday you gotta be ready to take the hood 330 00:15:25,947 --> 00:15:28,907 Speaker 4: and fun, fun ways to get better. And so today 331 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:33,867 Speaker 4: or Monday's easy, pretty tough. You know, you gotta look 332 00:15:33,907 --> 00:15:35,987 Speaker 4: at each other and come up with solutions together. But 333 00:15:35,987 --> 00:15:38,547 Speaker 4: at the same time the mind greatness and part of 334 00:15:38,547 --> 00:15:42,507 Speaker 4: that is sort of telling your mate it wasn't good enough. 335 00:15:42,507 --> 00:15:45,587 Speaker 4: For telling the coach he wasn't good enough, you know, 336 00:15:46,347 --> 00:15:49,147 Speaker 4: so that's a collective effort. And after that's done, you 337 00:15:49,187 --> 00:15:52,947 Speaker 4: usually feel pretty energized. And after a good Monday like that, 338 00:15:53,067 --> 00:15:56,467 Speaker 4: and you didn't, you're starting your week, well you hidn'to Tuesday, 339 00:15:57,107 --> 00:16:00,267 Speaker 4: fresh and feeling good, ready to ready to go again. 340 00:16:00,547 --> 00:16:02,987 Speaker 2: So do you when when that review takes place, do 341 00:16:03,027 --> 00:16:05,347 Speaker 2: you know what's coming? I mean, i'd imagine you know, 342 00:16:05,947 --> 00:16:08,107 Speaker 2: like I know you went there on Saturday night playing 343 00:16:08,147 --> 00:16:10,827 Speaker 2: necessary but can you think, Okay, he's going to say 344 00:16:11,027 --> 00:16:12,827 Speaker 2: that wasn't good enough. We need to do that better 345 00:16:12,867 --> 00:16:15,267 Speaker 2: and just over here at do you know. 346 00:16:15,347 --> 00:16:17,387 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think in the day and age 347 00:16:17,467 --> 00:16:22,267 Speaker 4: professional sports mus been prosional athletes. We know the game 348 00:16:22,307 --> 00:16:24,467 Speaker 4: we play, and yeah, we sort of have an inkling 349 00:16:24,667 --> 00:16:27,667 Speaker 4: of what's coming. At the same time, you're working together 350 00:16:28,107 --> 00:16:32,707 Speaker 4: with coaches through Sunday Monday to get the messaging right. 351 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:36,347 Speaker 4: So leaders obviously meet and fill me with coaches to 352 00:16:36,427 --> 00:16:39,827 Speaker 4: make sure that they're not going to stand up at 353 00:16:39,827 --> 00:16:41,307 Speaker 4: the front of the classroom and just about you. 354 00:16:41,427 --> 00:16:44,867 Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, it's got to be constructive. 355 00:16:44,347 --> 00:16:47,907 Speaker 4: And everyone's going to be able to take the feedback. 356 00:16:47,907 --> 00:16:50,547 Speaker 2: At the same time, Yeah, is there a degree of nervousness. 357 00:16:50,907 --> 00:16:53,387 Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe when you first came into the team, 358 00:16:53,427 --> 00:16:56,867 Speaker 2: for example, and you know, was there a degree of 359 00:16:57,307 --> 00:17:00,867 Speaker 2: trepidation about what the review might provide with all your 360 00:17:00,907 --> 00:17:01,907 Speaker 2: all your teammates there? 361 00:17:02,627 --> 00:17:04,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I never liked school and. 362 00:17:07,027 --> 00:17:09,627 Speaker 4: You get the teacher standing up there asking you as 363 00:17:09,627 --> 00:17:12,747 Speaker 4: seeing the classroom a certain question and everything's quiet. Sort 364 00:17:12,747 --> 00:17:14,987 Speaker 4: of gets like that sometimes and it's a sport you 365 00:17:14,987 --> 00:17:18,587 Speaker 4: don't want to be in, but you know, we've got 366 00:17:18,587 --> 00:17:20,347 Speaker 4: a job to do and as part of the review 367 00:17:20,387 --> 00:17:24,947 Speaker 4: process to keep better. So there's levels of that, but 368 00:17:25,147 --> 00:17:27,987 Speaker 4: that will change every. 369 00:17:27,827 --> 00:17:28,387 Speaker 3: Now and again. 370 00:17:29,147 --> 00:17:31,947 Speaker 2: Caliber another cliche. I hear a lot as you win 371 00:17:32,027 --> 00:17:35,067 Speaker 2: or you learn, and I'm sure you learn a lot 372 00:17:35,067 --> 00:17:36,907 Speaker 2: from your defeat, but can you learn from wins as well? 373 00:17:36,947 --> 00:17:38,747 Speaker 2: I mean, you guys the Blues go back to that 374 00:17:39,267 --> 00:17:42,107 Speaker 2: two losses one of the Hurricanes, lost of the Crusaders. 375 00:17:42,227 --> 00:17:44,267 Speaker 2: Can you still learn as you're winning and winning? 376 00:17:44,267 --> 00:17:47,507 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, definitely. I think those are the best learnings 377 00:17:47,547 --> 00:17:51,387 Speaker 5: you can get, is especially from a win. People always 378 00:17:51,707 --> 00:17:54,387 Speaker 5: think about your learnings are from a loss, or you 379 00:17:54,427 --> 00:17:57,107 Speaker 5: always think about the bad things. But for us at 380 00:17:57,107 --> 00:17:58,827 Speaker 5: the Blues, we always just focus on what we can 381 00:17:58,867 --> 00:18:03,067 Speaker 5: do better. You look at what we did well, but yeah, 382 00:18:03,107 --> 00:18:06,267 Speaker 5: it's all just about getting better. It's no different here 383 00:18:06,787 --> 00:18:09,667 Speaker 5: as well. You know all those games prior to England, 384 00:18:09,667 --> 00:18:11,707 Speaker 5: the Fiji games, you know we learned from those as well. 385 00:18:11,787 --> 00:18:15,467 Speaker 5: So it's just about now building into into the next argy. 386 00:18:15,827 --> 00:18:17,707 Speaker 2: Did your dad still give you plenty of advice? 387 00:18:17,867 --> 00:18:19,467 Speaker 3: He tries to. 388 00:18:20,387 --> 00:18:23,507 Speaker 5: He does, And it's still cool getting to I just 389 00:18:23,547 --> 00:18:26,947 Speaker 5: moved back home recently again, and after any sort of 390 00:18:26,947 --> 00:18:29,147 Speaker 5: game that I've played, going home and watching it together 391 00:18:29,187 --> 00:18:31,987 Speaker 5: and talking through what I was sort of going through 392 00:18:32,027 --> 00:18:34,587 Speaker 5: my mind at certain times. It's and still pretty cool, 393 00:18:34,627 --> 00:18:37,947 Speaker 5: and just seeing the eagerness that he has as a father, 394 00:18:38,907 --> 00:18:41,187 Speaker 5: just to see his family doing well, and then also 395 00:18:41,227 --> 00:18:45,147 Speaker 5: as a coach, as an old rugby player, to to 396 00:18:45,227 --> 00:18:47,627 Speaker 5: know what's what I was thinking and what I was 397 00:18:47,867 --> 00:18:48,747 Speaker 5: wanting to try and do. 398 00:18:48,867 --> 00:18:51,507 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's pretty special. He was a player, man, 399 00:18:51,827 --> 00:18:55,107 Speaker 2: I mean you obviously it's rock bang in the nineties, 400 00:18:55,227 --> 00:18:57,147 Speaker 2: was you know my rugby awareness? You know, he was 401 00:18:57,187 --> 00:18:59,267 Speaker 2: a player. When did when did you realize how good 402 00:18:59,307 --> 00:19:01,507 Speaker 2: he was? As a You knew your dad played rugby, 403 00:19:01,547 --> 00:19:03,107 Speaker 2: but when did it become a parent you how good 404 00:19:03,107 --> 00:19:03,427 Speaker 2: he was? 405 00:19:04,147 --> 00:19:04,267 Speaker 3: Well? 406 00:19:04,347 --> 00:19:07,187 Speaker 5: To be fair, I didn't actually know much about rugby 407 00:19:07,227 --> 00:19:09,587 Speaker 5: growing up, and so I remember being in primary school. 408 00:19:09,627 --> 00:19:12,107 Speaker 5: It's probably my second sickond to last year or last 409 00:19:12,147 --> 00:19:14,867 Speaker 5: year primary whal was in the library looking at this 410 00:19:14,907 --> 00:19:16,867 Speaker 5: all black book and saw my dad and I was 411 00:19:16,907 --> 00:19:17,307 Speaker 5: just like. 412 00:19:18,827 --> 00:19:21,187 Speaker 3: Talk at home. I was like dad, this is you. 413 00:19:21,347 --> 00:19:23,267 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, And so I was just like man 414 00:19:23,307 --> 00:19:25,347 Speaker 2: going around. My dad was an all black My dad 415 00:19:25,387 --> 00:19:25,907 Speaker 2: wasn't all black. 416 00:19:25,907 --> 00:19:29,227 Speaker 5: It's so crazy, and just sort of that's when it 417 00:19:29,347 --> 00:19:31,427 Speaker 5: sort of realized, like, oh man, that's so cool. And 418 00:19:31,467 --> 00:19:34,227 Speaker 5: then all the tapes that I'd sought like seen growing 419 00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:36,907 Speaker 5: up was that was the Blues, that was the All Blacks. 420 00:19:37,747 --> 00:19:40,547 Speaker 5: The people that I would call uncle were great to 421 00:19:40,627 --> 00:19:43,267 Speaker 5: the game. And so it's just just real cool and 422 00:19:43,347 --> 00:19:47,107 Speaker 5: pretty special. And I owe a lot to my family 423 00:19:47,307 --> 00:19:50,787 Speaker 5: and how we grew up, and so just nowadays it's 424 00:19:50,787 --> 00:19:53,507 Speaker 5: just about giving back and making sure I can do 425 00:19:53,587 --> 00:19:55,147 Speaker 5: the same for what they did for us. 426 00:19:55,627 --> 00:19:57,427 Speaker 2: Mike, how do you deal with the glare of being 427 00:19:57,427 --> 00:19:59,627 Speaker 2: an All Black? Even being a Blues player? You know, 428 00:19:59,787 --> 00:20:02,187 Speaker 2: you can't walk around without being recognized, none of you can. 429 00:20:02,667 --> 00:20:04,147 Speaker 2: You know, how do you how do you deal with it? 430 00:20:05,307 --> 00:20:10,787 Speaker 6: I'm quite easy. Just stay home, Yeah, stay home, stay 431 00:20:10,787 --> 00:20:14,787 Speaker 6: in my room. Yeah, I'm quite I'm quite easy. But 432 00:20:14,827 --> 00:20:17,987 Speaker 6: if I'm out of the bout I was, you know, 433 00:20:18,067 --> 00:20:19,627 Speaker 6: shad a loup back to the people. You know that 434 00:20:20,187 --> 00:20:24,867 Speaker 6: saying hi or recognize you. It comes off from the 435 00:20:24,907 --> 00:20:27,747 Speaker 6: sport that we play in mosially being in New Zealans, 436 00:20:27,787 --> 00:20:31,227 Speaker 6: quite small, everyone kind of nurse already, you know, mostally me, 437 00:20:33,827 --> 00:20:40,307 Speaker 6: it's not that funny. Quite easy, I'm sure. 438 00:20:40,347 --> 00:20:40,667 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 439 00:20:40,667 --> 00:20:42,307 Speaker 6: I don't know about the other boys. Caleb loves that. 440 00:20:42,307 --> 00:20:46,507 Speaker 2: There, but do you think it mistaken for anybody else? 441 00:20:46,627 --> 00:20:52,627 Speaker 3: There's away from here to. 442 00:20:54,787 --> 00:20:58,147 Speaker 6: Nah, No, I didn't get mistaken for much, to be honest, 443 00:20:58,707 --> 00:20:58,987 Speaker 6: not me. 444 00:20:59,307 --> 00:21:03,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, and became from Allly because like everybody in New 445 00:21:03,227 --> 00:21:05,027 Speaker 2: Zealan has got an opinion on the all Blacks right 446 00:21:05,147 --> 00:21:07,827 Speaker 2: and now has the means. You know, we think about 447 00:21:07,827 --> 00:21:09,907 Speaker 2: it Ronnie's day. If someone had you know, it was 448 00:21:09,947 --> 00:21:12,187 Speaker 2: really just I guess they might have run talk back radio. 449 00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:14,747 Speaker 2: But they couldn't brut anything online. Anybody with a smartphone 450 00:21:14,787 --> 00:21:18,067 Speaker 2: and Annet connection, can you know, can put whatever they 451 00:21:18,187 --> 00:21:23,227 Speaker 2: like out there seemingly without any repercussions for them. Do 452 00:21:23,267 --> 00:21:24,987 Speaker 2: you read it? How do you deal with it? What's 453 00:21:25,027 --> 00:21:26,387 Speaker 2: the strategy you use? Mark? 454 00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:31,067 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm quite easy. I don't read it. Yeah, I 455 00:21:31,147 --> 00:21:35,787 Speaker 6: don't read it. Don't feed into it, to be honest. 456 00:21:35,907 --> 00:21:38,507 Speaker 6: You know, like things happen in life, and that's the 457 00:21:38,587 --> 00:21:41,347 Speaker 6: spot that we play. You know, comes wins and losses 458 00:21:42,587 --> 00:21:43,987 Speaker 6: as a team, as a collective. 459 00:21:44,027 --> 00:21:44,907 Speaker 3: You know, we'll do better. 460 00:21:44,987 --> 00:21:48,787 Speaker 6: We'll do better for ourselves, our teammates, especially for the 461 00:21:48,827 --> 00:21:51,787 Speaker 6: people that we represent. You know, we still got what 462 00:21:51,987 --> 00:21:54,867 Speaker 6: seven DC to prep for another game, so we'll look 463 00:21:54,907 --> 00:21:58,147 Speaker 6: forward to it. Get excited for the challenge you'll head into. 464 00:21:58,147 --> 00:22:00,467 Speaker 2: It is the same with you, Calum. Is there like 465 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:04,107 Speaker 2: a circle of people whose opinions do matter and anybody 466 00:22:04,107 --> 00:22:06,347 Speaker 2: outside that you just it's just white noise. 467 00:22:06,947 --> 00:22:07,827 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. 468 00:22:09,027 --> 00:22:12,907 Speaker 5: You have the people you trust, WHI should start with family, coaches, 469 00:22:13,507 --> 00:22:16,547 Speaker 5: your teammates sort of the ones that I do feel 470 00:22:16,547 --> 00:22:18,787 Speaker 5: sorry for because you know, us players probably weren't looking 471 00:22:18,827 --> 00:22:21,547 Speaker 5: too reading comments or anything like that. But it'll be 472 00:22:21,827 --> 00:22:23,867 Speaker 5: other family members that sort of go in and see 473 00:22:23,867 --> 00:22:27,067 Speaker 5: it having to go and tell them, like I like, 474 00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:29,867 Speaker 5: don't react to that. Like people have their own opinions. 475 00:22:29,827 --> 00:22:32,987 Speaker 5: They're entitled to it. But you know, when they see 476 00:22:33,067 --> 00:22:35,947 Speaker 5: people attacking like us as people, as us as players, 477 00:22:36,347 --> 00:22:38,707 Speaker 5: your family are the ones that get hurt, not really us. 478 00:22:38,787 --> 00:22:41,947 Speaker 5: So that's probably the other side that people don't really 479 00:22:42,067 --> 00:22:45,347 Speaker 5: sort of realize. But like Mark said, you know, it 480 00:22:45,387 --> 00:22:47,747 Speaker 5: comes with the sport, and you just have to have 481 00:22:47,787 --> 00:22:51,107 Speaker 5: your trust in your circle, and you have to tell 482 00:22:51,147 --> 00:22:52,467 Speaker 5: your family, especially. 483 00:22:52,347 --> 00:22:57,627 Speaker 2: Nana just about what they But I think any any 484 00:22:57,707 --> 00:23:01,227 Speaker 2: nana wants to protect their grandson, right, It's just it's natural. 485 00:23:01,267 --> 00:23:02,747 Speaker 2: But as you say, it's probably a bit different in 486 00:23:02,827 --> 00:23:04,707 Speaker 2: your case. I mean, we're not getting you know, a 487 00:23:04,747 --> 00:23:07,187 Speaker 2: normal person in the street isn't getting people just firing 488 00:23:07,187 --> 00:23:08,987 Speaker 2: stuff at them? Do you get nervous watching Do you 489 00:23:08,987 --> 00:23:11,507 Speaker 2: get nervous? Do you get nervous watching Phoenix play Nipple? 490 00:23:11,667 --> 00:23:14,067 Speaker 2: Do you like is it a nervous time for you? 491 00:23:15,067 --> 00:23:15,107 Speaker 4: No? 492 00:23:15,347 --> 00:23:17,867 Speaker 3: I love watching, you know, She's like, I don't know. 493 00:23:17,867 --> 00:23:20,307 Speaker 3: I never thought nipple was really physical until I watched 494 00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:22,427 Speaker 3: her play. Now it's seeing her live. 495 00:23:22,707 --> 00:23:29,667 Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's pretty intense, you know, But yeah, don't 496 00:23:29,707 --> 00:23:30,347 Speaker 4: get nervous. 497 00:23:30,347 --> 00:23:31,827 Speaker 3: She's pretty strong. She can't hold her. 498 00:23:31,787 --> 00:23:33,947 Speaker 2: Own and she gets didn't you get a two minute 499 00:23:33,987 --> 00:23:35,067 Speaker 2: simbon in the final? 500 00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:35,587 Speaker 3: Yeah? She did. 501 00:23:35,707 --> 00:23:37,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a Wellington that was a Wellington, so 502 00:23:37,747 --> 00:23:38,627 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have been were you. 503 00:23:38,547 --> 00:23:40,267 Speaker 3: That we're at camp camp? Yeah? 504 00:23:40,347 --> 00:23:43,307 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think she knocked someone over going for the ball. 505 00:23:50,747 --> 00:23:53,227 Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's been great to see you all. I tried. 506 00:23:53,227 --> 00:23:54,627 Speaker 2: I need to ask you one more question. That's about 507 00:23:54,707 --> 00:23:59,347 Speaker 2: Eden Park. You know you all know the Fortress nineteen 508 00:23:59,427 --> 00:24:03,347 Speaker 2: ninety four, it was the last time. Does that motivate 509 00:24:03,387 --> 00:24:06,467 Speaker 2: you Patrick? Does it as the extra pressure that you 510 00:24:06,507 --> 00:24:07,867 Speaker 2: don't want to be in the team that lost the 511 00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:10,987 Speaker 2: leed and Park? How is that play into your preparation? 512 00:24:11,747 --> 00:24:14,307 Speaker 4: No, I've always seen need to Parkers Home, so it's 513 00:24:14,547 --> 00:24:16,707 Speaker 4: you know, to me, the Fortress is just their name. 514 00:24:16,947 --> 00:24:22,147 Speaker 4: I just love playing there, you know. Yeah, I don't know. 515 00:24:22,267 --> 00:24:24,787 Speaker 4: It must be pretty scary for other teams, but I 516 00:24:24,827 --> 00:24:28,387 Speaker 4: suppose for us, we feel pretty comfortable there and we 517 00:24:28,427 --> 00:24:30,827 Speaker 4: certainly feel the love. Wh never the Ablecks a playing 518 00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:31,867 Speaker 4: the because it's always sold out. 519 00:24:31,907 --> 00:24:35,227 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I can't wait, can't wait for Saturday. 520 00:24:35,427 --> 00:24:38,147 Speaker 2: Got to wrap it up, guys, Patrick, Caleb Mark, really 521 00:24:38,147 --> 00:24:39,307 Speaker 2: appreciate your time. Thanks so much. 522 00:24:39,707 --> 00:24:40,347 Speaker 3: Thank you. 523 00:24:41,907 --> 00:24:45,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Pine. Listen live 524 00:24:45,187 --> 00:24:48,467 Speaker 1: to News Talk said Be weekends from midday, or follow 525 00:24:48,507 --> 00:24:50,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio