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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Simon Barnett and James Daniels Afternoons

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Speaker 1: podcast from Newstalks.

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Speaker 2: EDB News Talks edb Rix Celito. He's done it all

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Speaker 2: in the world of media and professional sports. He played

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Speaker 2: rugby and Italy himself. He was the All blacks first

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Speaker 2: ever media liaison and until very recently was CEO of

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Speaker 2: New York's professional rugby team. He's also been a journalist,

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Speaker 2: a TV presenter, and producer, most recognized for his role

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Speaker 2: in producing presenting the iconic sports tat show sports caf

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Speaker 2: That's Now Back, We're kind Of The aptly named sports

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Speaker 2: Cafe Ish podcast features some of the original cast, including

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Speaker 2: Alarican's Mark, Alice Lee Hart, Lana Kocroft, and of course

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Speaker 2: Rick himself. It is a real joy to welcome Rix

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Speaker 2: Seleitta on for six in a song, good a mate.

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Speaker 3: Good a mate.

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Speaker 4: You know, whenever whenever someone says, I Rick played rugby

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Speaker 4: in Italy. I know John Kerrwan's like, but he was useless.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna ask you that, to what level did

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Speaker 5: you play over there?

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Speaker 4: Oh? I know it's seniors. It was I was young

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Speaker 4: and this the club I played for Kassali had a

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Speaker 4: real tradition of New Zealand players and so I was

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Speaker 4: one of them. And then but they also had Zinzan

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Speaker 4: Brook and Wayne Smith. So I think the year they

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Speaker 4: got me ed.

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Speaker 5: Is this the right person that can we check that

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Speaker 5: this is the same person that we thought he was?

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Speaker 3: What position did you play?

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Speaker 4: Well? I was a loose forward and but they I

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Speaker 4: was tall, so they put me in that lock, which

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Speaker 4: I hated. And then they put me on the wing,

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Speaker 4: which I've never done before.

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Speaker 5: That's because they hated you.

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Speaker 4: I won the sprints that their training and they said, oh,

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Speaker 4: you must be fast going the wing. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, you actually ricked just before we get into

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Speaker 2: the thick of it. Am I right in saying? My

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Speaker 2: recollection was you were kind of one of the first

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Speaker 2: producers of behind the scenes sports dockers. Didn't you do

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Speaker 2: those all Blacks on tour with with zim zan Brook

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Speaker 2: and riding a donkey from memory histerical?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? So good to bear the rugby and the theme

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Speaker 4: that was yeah, in hindsight was ahead of its time.

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Speaker 4: You know, whenever it goes on about oh my god,

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Speaker 4: if one driver survive it's amazing. I was like, we

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Speaker 4: did that in nine eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 3: So how did you get that gig?

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Speaker 4: Again? I went to school with JK. So we've run

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Speaker 4: each other since we're sixteen years old. And he just

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Speaker 4: said to me one day, he said, you know, he said,

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Speaker 4: we should books have sort of on the way out,

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Speaker 4: maybe because he did not reading.

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Speaker 3: Books are on the way out. Great line.

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Speaker 4: We should do a VHS like the old tour box.

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Speaker 4: So we did this VHS and look, we had no

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Speaker 4: idea what we're doing, but it just went really well.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think we sold one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand copies of something ridiculous, but it was. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was a great experience. I loved that.

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Speaker 5: So you went to school with John Coohan, Tell us

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Speaker 5: a little bit more about where you grew up and

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Speaker 5: how you grew up.

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Speaker 4: So I grew up in South Auckland, in Mungray and

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Speaker 4: or when I grew up it with mangry times of changes.

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Speaker 4: Its cool, And yeah I went to a school called

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Speaker 4: And then yeah I went to Telself College and and

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Speaker 4: Jake and I am the first esteen together. I was

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Speaker 4: a bit old. I was a couple of years older,

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Speaker 4: so I was the wiser, you know. Yeah, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: It's interesting, Rick, because what I'm keen to hear your

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Speaker 2: take on the media relationship with rugby players now, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, it just feels very boring, if I'm honest.

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Speaker 2: It feels like you get the pat answers. It feels

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Speaker 2: scared to say anything outside the framework of what they've

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just really really boring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, I think I think there's an element

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Speaker 4: is all the rugby team that all blacks are really

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Speaker 4: good people, and you know privately when you talk to them,

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Speaker 4: they're just great people. You know, they're just interesting and stuff.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you you get one thing slightly wrong,

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Speaker 4: and so they're just careful. But I'm a bit with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean I miss I miss the mark Ellis's and

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Speaker 4: the zinzam bros. Yah, even the Jk's. You know, they

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Speaker 4: always say what they thought, sometimes didn't think. It's a

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Speaker 4: great combination.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very interesting, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: So you got this podcast Sport Cafe Ish. Sports Cafe

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Speaker 5: itself was the legendary as well. Now you had some

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Speaker 5: big names on that program. Who was your best known

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Speaker 5: guest and what were they like?

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Speaker 4: I was thinking about the show today and I was thinking,

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Speaker 4: what was unusual about Sports Cafe when we started is

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Speaker 4: that we had them then and and mark Ellis on

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Speaker 4: the show, and both of them were current like Zinny

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Speaker 4: was currently in the All Blacks and Macca was playing

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Speaker 4: for the Warriors, and then JK would join us and

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Speaker 4: he was playing for the Warriors that year. You know,

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Speaker 4: Eric Rush was sort of captain the sevens team. So

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Speaker 4: it was really cool that we would have guys that

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Speaker 4: and then on the Wednesday sitting on our couch. Some

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Speaker 4: of the favorite guests, I mean, George Best was a

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Speaker 4: big favorite the footballer. I loved having people like Peter

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Speaker 4: Snell and Dick Quax. You know, those people were my heroes.

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Speaker 4: Were the surface Sunny Garcia who was a legend, you know,

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Speaker 4: Colin Meads was was brilliant. We had Lucy Lawless was fun.

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Speaker 4: You know, we just had a yeah, a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: And when the guests came on that sort of understood

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Speaker 4: the attitude of the show, it just took off and

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Speaker 4: we had so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Is it difficult to I mean, I would imagine it's

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Speaker 2: difficult now being a producer of a show like that

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Speaker 2: that had you know, I mean some of the stuff

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Speaker 2: a show now to still maintain that kind of Larican edge,

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Speaker 4: It should be for a good producer, not for me.

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Speaker 3: I forget You're good.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear that, because it's just, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: the world's so serious. You need Look, it's okay if

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Speaker 2: we're offended every now and then yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think people are. I think I think

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Speaker 4: the bulk of people are the same in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I think New Zealand has a great sense of humor

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Speaker 4: got that sense of humor. But it's just that layer.

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Speaker 4: It's just that layer. It's I don't know, it's almost

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Speaker 5: They call it social media, actually wreck. I think that's

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Speaker 5: the biggest issue. Hey, speaking of New Zealand, and you're

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Speaker 5: not working in New Zealand. You've been in the USA.

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Speaker 5: What happened there? How did you get over there? What

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Speaker 4: So? I was living in Austin, Texas. I was working

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Speaker 4: going pretty well till COVID came along. And then there's

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Speaker 4: New Zealand group, the Bolton The Bolton's brought him to

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Speaker 4: the New York team and and they asked me, first

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Speaker 4: just an amazing experience. I had Andy Allis with men. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's a good man, he was my neighbor. He's annoying

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Speaker 2: So Rick going forward, do you do you see just

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Speaker 2: re quickly before we take a break, do you see

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Speaker 2: the growth of rugby? You know, are the markets they're

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Speaker 4: I think so. But I think you've also got to

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Speaker 4: look at your backyard as well. I think I think

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Speaker 4: it's important that we reconnect more people to the game.

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Speaker 4: You know that that we you know, when you go

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Speaker 4: want to sit passively. So we need to look you know,

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Speaker 4: you've got to constantly be looking after home first. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's flow life. You know, you can't be really good

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Speaker 4: as I found out, you know, so, so I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's great to look at the US, it's

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Speaker 4: great to look at the UK, South Africa, all these countries,

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Speaker 4: but it's also important that we make sure that we

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Speaker 4: all that level, but at super level, and that those

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Speaker 4: and so so I think that's really important too.

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Speaker 2: Very good newstalksa'd be. Our guest is Rick Salito. Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, made for your time. Much to do

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Speaker 2: park a car, run over a guy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only a small guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now, quick fire questions. What's one of the nicest compliments

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Speaker 5: you've ever received.

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Speaker 4: That's a good question. You're not as fad as we

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Speaker 4: thought you were.

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Speaker 3: I get you're not very tall, are you. That's my one.

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Speaker 3: That's brilliant.

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Speaker 2: If you had the power to change one thing in

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Speaker 4: Mark Alice would do what he's told.

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Speaker 2: He's always been like that. I remember I've done a

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Speaker 2: few things with him over the years. I remember somebody

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Speaker 2: said to me once the great thing about Mark, he's

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Speaker 2: not bad, he's just mischievous. And it really stayed with

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Speaker 2: me because he is a mischief.

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Speaker 4: Isn't he. Well, do you remember we did telethon? Yes,

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Speaker 4: and it was you and Jason Gunn yourself that the wizard.

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Speaker 3: That's me Brian, that's right, You've got a good memorable

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Speaker 3: that's right, lovely care.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and all I remember is I got sent up

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Speaker 4: to Cocua and by helicopter with Jason, and the helicopter

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Speaker 4: landed and we got off and thousands of four hundred

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Speaker 4: me to Jason. I was literally standing by myself and

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Speaker 4: Brian Ford, the ex all black, come up and said,

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Speaker 4: Jesus man, I'll stand next to you.

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Speaker 3: That is too funny. I tackled him once.

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Speaker 5: Wreck What's something you thought was important when you were young,

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Speaker 5: but as you got older you've realized.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't trying to impress people?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I reckon. That's a good one. What

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Speaker 4: My family? How many?

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Speaker 3: How many kids have you got?

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Speaker 4: Just I've got one Carlo He's he's in Ireland. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: Every day, lovely old.

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Speaker 4: He's sorry.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yep, thirteen, We'll let it. That's out.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what would you consider your worst quality?

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Speaker 4: I'm ridiculously competitive, and I compete with people that don't

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Speaker 2: just the their DNA. It's they're hard warring. Because I

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Speaker 3: You get in one hand.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't believe they just turned everything into a comp

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Speaker 4: I'm like that. I'm just not quite as talented as

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Speaker 4: Then? Ridiculous? Vinny and Sean Fitzpatrick two of the most competitive,

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Speaker 3: You get a hide in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you could invite any one person still alive

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking about this, actually, Yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 3: Thanks, you're only allowed one. I'll have Marissa. Then you have.

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Speaker 4: Mate.

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Speaker 2: We've really enjoyed chatting with you, Rick, Thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: all of their very best with the New Sports Cafe podcast.

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Speaker 2: And before you go, mate, you've got a choice of song.

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Speaker 2: And why have you chosen this one?

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I thought about this and it's about the only

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Speaker 4: of the Moon. Good choice, yeah, and but but it's

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Speaker 4: so the song that really every time I hear it,

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Speaker 4: in New York. And it's Alicia Keys and jay Z.

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Speaker 3: You know, is that New York?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that is a better choice than I got.

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Speaker 2: Goose Bumps man, Yep, the water Boys suck. We're going

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Speaker 2: to play that song for you, wreck mate. Really enjoyable

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Speaker 2: chatting with you. Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure, Rex Alita And this is a banging song

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Speaker 2: New York at News Talk zb banger actually.

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