1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you're. 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: One of the kind, David Farrah, can we blogging? Curiapolster 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: and Mike Munroe, former chief of staff to just and 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: do and hell are you too? 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 3: Oh? I Heather? 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, listeners, are either of you feeling the vibes on 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: the road cones as well? Or is it just me? 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it's just you, it's not. 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: Look that sounded like you were letting me down gently, David. Look, 10 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: I don't think it's just you, but probably not to 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: the extent that you are. Come on, don't you get 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: don't you get editated? 13 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 4: We see two painters and today they closed off entire 14 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 4: lane with police, carr and truck and from what I 15 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 4: could tell was there was a broken battle there and 16 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: someone was sweeping up with a brush, pin and shovel. 17 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 5: You definitely needed subsort of traffic management, but it just 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 5: seemed out as always, way over the top for what 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 5: was a ten second job. 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Unbelievable, Mike. Do we need to give these kids 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 2: who are born to overstayers, who now themselves now find 22 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: themselves without actually the ability to be here? Do we 23 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: need to give them an amnesty. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 6: Yes, I think we do have to give them an 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 6: amnesty that these kids have. These kids have grown up 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 6: stateless and it's really sort of no fault of their own. 27 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 6: You know, they were born here. It's the only place 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 6: they know. Their lives are being shaped by this country, 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 6: and you can't sort of punish them for some error 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 6: that their parents made a long time ago. And I 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,639 Speaker 6: think if we start sort of picking on these kids 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 6: and doing the wrong thing here, it's another stain on 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 6: our reputation. 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: There's a you know, it's a good global player and 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: a good global citizen. 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 7: What do you think, David, I'll go the other way 37 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 7: because the long term issue is it's a terrible policy 38 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 7: to say if you come to New Zealand and illegally stay, 39 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 7: but mentioned the kids here, the kids get as citizenship. 40 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 7: It seems all the wrong signals. 41 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: You see. 42 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 5: The massive problems in the US about the solution is 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 5: it shouldn't take fifteen years to deport overstays so that 44 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 5: the kids have then grown up yet all their life. 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 5: Now there is a case for the current one. Just 46 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 5: like YO, we've had immigration amnesties from time to time. 47 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 5: When you recognize you haven't had it right in the 48 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 5: past where you might do a one off at Zempho. 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 5: But going forward, I think we should be very clear 50 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 5: that legal immigrants who have children New Zealand don't get 51 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 5: automa acistenship. 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I agree with you that you don't want to 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: set a precedent. However, David, it's hardly as if we 54 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: have a massive problem with illegal immigrants. And we were 55 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 2: talking about in the last eighteen what nineteen years, we're 56 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: talking about maybe hundreds of kids, aren't we And we've 57 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: invested a whole lot of money into these kids, We've 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: educated them, we've given them free healthcare and all that stuff. 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: So surely actually it's in our best interests to make 60 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: use of them as workers. 61 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 5: Well they potentially if they have valuable skills, you can 62 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 5: of course get work visas. 63 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: Anyway in the game. 64 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 5: Isn't that they live here illegally for four fifteen years. 65 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 5: But yeah, Locke, you show up of humanity for those 66 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 5: who are currently there. But if we change the law 67 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 5: to say children of a legal immigrants get what they 68 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 5: heave in the US or HARMHIC birthright citizenship, I think 69 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 5: we would have a lot more illegal immigration because you know, 70 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: come for a holiday, over stay two months and being 71 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 5: your kids are citizens. 72 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: Why, by the way, Mike, did Helen Clark do this? 73 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: Because it feels out of step with the labor government. 74 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: I can't remember. 75 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: Are you doing a Christian hawks be on us and 76 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I just happen a couple of months ago. 77 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: I can't remember that, that's right. Yeah, I know it's 78 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: an empathetic When was it two? 79 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 80 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, twenty years. Look, I really can't. 81 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 6: I can't recall what the state of play was at 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 6: the time with overstays and how big an issue it was, 83 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 6: because you know, I'm sure the policy was reaction to 84 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 6: some you know, to some issue with overstays and some 85 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 6: data showing that it was a problem. 86 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: I just can't call it the details. 87 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 7: Look, it's fair enough. 88 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: I agree with you. It's an unlabor thing to do. 89 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: I agree. 90 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: It's only fair enough that we give you a bit 91 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: of a pass. It has been twenty years. We'll take 92 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: a break, come back shortly. 93 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Success the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve 94 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel. 95 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: Reach back with the Huddle, David Farrah, Mike Monroe, David, 96 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: what did you think of Ginny Anderson saying that none 97 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: of the New Zealand First has never been around the 98 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: cabinet table. 99 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 5: It was very bizarre because a they were around the 100 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 5: cabinet table, not just in the last government, they were 101 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 5: around the cabinet table and the first National New Zealand 102 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 5: First coalition and Jim Anderson was round the cabinet table 103 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 5: and depth keep Home Minister for the entire nine years 104 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 5: of the Clark Game. The ten MMP governments, you've had 105 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 5: people from minor parties around the cabinet table in six 106 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 5: out of ten. 107 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: So Mike, can you explain what's going on with Jenny? 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: Oh no, Look I can't. It was a real brain fade. 109 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: It really was. 110 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,679 Speaker 6: Maybe she had a stressful ride into work this morning 111 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 6: on now Ay and you know she just wasn't thinking straight. 112 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 6: But look like back, Dave, like David says, right from 113 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 6: the beginning, we've had Carolisi partners in cabinet, right from 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 6: the time that Jim Bolgier made when Peters as Treasurer 115 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 6: back in nineteen ninety six. And there's a whole list 116 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 6: of the medicine So look, yeah, a brain fade and 117 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 6: there's really no explanation. 118 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: I cande, David. 119 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: I don't want to be too unkind to Jenny because look, 120 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: we all make mistakes and we say stupid stuff and 121 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: we feel a bit stink, And she'll be feeling a 122 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: bit stink right now. Is everybody's laughing at her? But 123 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: she's not the strongest, does she? So why do they 124 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: keep putting her up and giving her good portfolios? 125 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 4: Well? 126 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 5: I tried to be a black tied here when they 127 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 5: say you have to look at the rest of the tea. 128 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: The reality is she's a. 129 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 5: Former Minister of Justice, minister of police, etc. She's often 130 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 5: very good communicator, but she does every three four months 131 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 5: she says something just a bit horrendous. Are you know 132 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 5: there was the one with Mark Montchell. It's totally backfired 133 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 5: on her, etcetera. 134 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 8: Everyone makes Yeah, do. 135 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: You learn from your mistakes? 136 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 5: Do you become more cautious when you're speaking to the 137 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 5: media and if you're not sure about something, say, I'll 138 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 5: just have to check that. I don't think we're seeing 139 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 5: those learnings coming through. 140 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you might be right. Hey, now, Mike, 141 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: what's gone on? Do you think with Elon Musk and 142 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 2: the Dawn. 143 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 6: Well, looks, you don't become the world's richest person by 144 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 6: dancing to someone else's tune. 145 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: And and I think, uh, you know, Musk has. 146 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 6: Worked out that this man is a bit of a fraud, 147 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 6: he's a bully, he's a liar, he's conceited, and so 148 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 6: he's probably had enough. Look, look, it's no surprise. During 149 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 6: during the first Trump presidency, the turnover rates were astronomical. 150 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 6: I think each year. I saw some data that show 151 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 6: that something like seventy eighty ninety percent was the norm 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: for the turnover each year, and for most presidents it's 153 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 6: down in the thirty forty percent area. So, you know, 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 6: this guy Trump is difficult to work with. He can 155 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 6: only be tolerated for so long. And Musker's got better 156 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 6: things to do. He's he's you know, he's got an 157 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 6: empire to run, and as I say, he's not going 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 6: to sit around dancing to someone else's tune. 159 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, is it? 160 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Do you? 161 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I mean, David, when you look at this is it 162 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: kind of interesting timing because it is at the end 163 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: of the period that he's entitled to occupy that job. 164 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: For being one hundred and thirty days but then on 165 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: the way out he starts criticizing Trump, Trump and the 166 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 2: one big beautiful bell and stuff like that. What's going 167 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: on here? Do you reckon? Is it just the end 168 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: of his time or is actually a breakdown? 169 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: Totally expected. I thought he'd last ninety hundred days and 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: he lasted one hundred and twenty. They actually had prediction 171 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 5: markets on how long he would last, and most people 172 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 5: thought it would be around three months, because, as Mike said, 173 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 5: is when you're useful to Trump, you go and you 174 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 5: do some stuff, you take the heat, but then Trump 175 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 5: will listen to someone else the next day. And he 176 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: just got to the point where it's like, Okay, I've 177 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 5: achieved a wee bit here, but now I've got better 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 5: things to do. So I don't think it's an angry 179 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 5: split with Trump, but I think it just shows he's 180 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 5: his own person and he actually has some very big 181 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: companies to run. 182 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, some very important ones. Hey guys, thank you appreciated 183 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: the pair of you. David Farraki we blogging curio poster 184 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: at Mike Munroe. 185 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 186 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: news talks. 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