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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,

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Speaker 1: like the My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing

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Speaker 1: real estate differently since nineteen seventy three. News talks head been.

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Speaker 2: Monni and welcome today the COVID inquiry Part two and

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Speaker 2: they agree to disagree trigger. The Mari Wards bill is go.

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Speaker 2: The Julian Nossange case is sorted via Saipan. The rugby

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Speaker 2: union still losing money. The record labels are suing AI startups.

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Speaker 2: Mark and Jinny do politics Wednesday, Joe McKenna does Italy

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Speaker 2: and end of Brady is your go to in the

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Speaker 2: UK Cosking. So, good morning, seven past six. We've got

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Speaker 2: a twenty percent increase in the import value of low

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Speaker 2: value goods. What does that mean? So this is out

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Speaker 2: of the GDP figures last week, and like all complex figures,

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Speaker 2: you get winners and losers. Now one of the winners

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Speaker 2: were these goods that had been bought by us and

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Speaker 2: brought into the country. Timu and the like is your

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Speaker 2: answer cheap online crap? We spent up big on in

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Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis. This seems we still have

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Speaker 2: the wherewithal to buy bollocks. Oh, I'll argue that's because

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's so expensive. Why would I buy something here

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Speaker 2: for fifty bucks if I can get it for twenty

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Speaker 2: four dollars online. Fair question, But what we will never

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Speaker 2: know is are you buying the same thing literally or

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Speaker 2: a knockoff, something similar but not quite as good. The

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Speaker 2: morals of expenditure are always interesting to me. If you

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Speaker 2: hold a poll and talk about supporting locally made products,

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Speaker 2: people are always going to answer yes or try and

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Speaker 2: money goes to places like China when we buy the stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do we think about the factories, the workers, the conditions.

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Speaker 2: Of course we don't. I mean we would say we do.

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Speaker 2: Of course we were, but we don't. Local shops are

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Speaker 2: credit cards are fired up and shuffling funds off to

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Speaker 2: TMU and Amazon and Shean or Shine or whatever they

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Speaker 2: want to call themselves. Fashion similar the industry started talking

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Speaker 2: of getting rid of fast fashion, of buying quality, of

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Speaker 2: making stuff, last, of not buying crap and then tossing

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Speaker 2: it in a landfill. There was another campaign that went nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Remember buy key. We made another virtuous idea that sounded

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Speaker 2: good until nothing's changed. It seems we're addicted to buying stuff.

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Speaker 2: And the reason China and the likes have a hold

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Speaker 2: our minds. They give us what we want, things that

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Speaker 2: don't cost much delivered to our door to make us

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Speaker 2: feel good about ourselves. I'd ask whether anyone really cares

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Speaker 2: about the various mixed messages involved in all of that,

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Speaker 2: the hypocrisy, or the inconsistency, or the absurdity. But there's

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Speaker 2: no point the twenty percent answers any questions we might

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Speaker 1: News of the world.

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Speaker 2: In ninety seven, things have gone a bit pear shaped

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Speaker 2: and Kenyad government want to day crack at some tax

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Speaker 2: increases didn't go down too well.

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Speaker 3: It's escalating very very quickly. I mean, just to think

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Speaker 3: that lovet we two protests were killed and now we've

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Speaker 3: got at lease tens in one day. The fact they've

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Speaker 3: made it into parliament will probably give the police kind

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Speaker 2: Ah yes, inside the parliament.

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Speaker 4: Mister pigata Alia, address you Masco.

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Speaker 2: Lud Moscow, Julian Nassan somewhere in the Marianna's signing court

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Speaker 2: documents or quite possibly on his way to Australia at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Either way, it's over much to the relief

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Speaker 5: The Australian government has been very much a part of

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Speaker 5: this at these final moments. They are the only government

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Speaker 5: were able to step in at these last moments to

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Speaker 5: secure this deal for Julian and secure his freedom. So

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Speaker 2: Interesting to catch up with Murray Oldt and Sea Price

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Speaker 2: later on this morning, the words he may well be

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Speaker 2: touching down on Australia today. Then the countdown rolls on

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Speaker 2: towards Friday, when Biden b Trump will be the most

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Speaker 2: past is how jacked Biden's going to be.

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Speaker 6: Trump's team should not underestimate Joe Biden and his team's

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Speaker 6: ability eating to know whether they're going to jack him

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Speaker 6: the state of the Union this year, he had a

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Speaker 2: A mountain view pleased about that. Anyway, He's not alone.

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Speaker 7: So we anticipate that for this first debate he will

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Speaker 2: Finally, China's lunar probe that's back landed in Mongolia on

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Speaker 2: board the first ever samples of the Moon's unexplored far side,

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Speaker 2: the dark side. China the only country to land on

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Speaker 2: that side, of course, and scientists what they're hoping for

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Speaker 2: is the samples will contain traces of ice which can

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Speaker 2: world and other worlds. Indeed, in ninety Democracy watched a

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Speaker 2: couple of really good things this morning. This is the

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Speaker 2: better one center left Democrat party. This is weird because

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Speaker 2: of course Europe went right. They held some local elections

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Speaker 2: the other day in Italy and the center lefts did

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Speaker 2: later on in Italy twelve past six, Costing Breakfast. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the really interesting thing this morning the Conservative is this

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Speaker 2: now on Trudeau. A lot of people want him gone

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Speaker 2: as popularity is tanked. He's in the toilet. Sixty eight

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Speaker 2: next year. So watch Canada fifteen past six five now

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Speaker 2: from Devin Pun's management, Greg Smithers with us this Wednesday morning. Morning, Mate, Morning,

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Speaker 2: Mike in vidio. What have we got here? We got

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Speaker 2: a bubble, we got something to watch. What's going on here?

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Speaker 8: Has something to watch. So it's been volative that it's

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Speaker 8: actually a high of a night. But yeah, it's hit

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Speaker 8: a bit of a rough ride last few days. Look,

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Speaker 8: we know that the generative AI revolution has been rocket

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Speaker 8: fuel for the company's chips and sheer price. You gotta

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Speaker 8: But it's almost like a rounding year. I suppose a

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Speaker 8: bigger question mikes year do other companies get in on

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Speaker 8: release their own AI chips. Apple's actually not using in

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Speaker 8: Briefly the world's most valuable company. This is the network

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Speaker 8: know we're going to see things with perhaps not, but look,

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Speaker 8: if we did see a switch autam and video, you

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Speaker 8: there certainly would be impacts for the rest of the market,

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Speaker 8: perhaps some sort of money sloshing into our recordase and

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Speaker 2: It's crazy. I tell you what I'm way more interested

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Speaker 2: in is this wire gobia zepic thing. This whole weight

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Speaker 8: going to put an end to obesity, but also related

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Speaker 8: some big news this week night with Elo Lily. They've

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Speaker 8: impacts on a likes the resument across the Tasman also

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Speaker 8: You look at Novo's treatment actually cost five and a

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Speaker 2: It is a fascinating thing, Meridi. And how did the

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Speaker 8: to the governments. But target of doubling renewable energy by

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Speaker 8: twenty fifty good news, Mike. It's going to get a

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Speaker 8: lot cheaper as well. So they've set out their investment plans,

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Speaker 8: range of projects Rua Kaka way Kato. I've got solar

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Speaker 8: It's enough to power two and eighty five thousand homes.

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Speaker 8: That's going to be output of around about forty five

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Speaker 8: this investments, things are going to get cheaper. This is

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Speaker 8: a good thing. And demands and they're going to increase

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Speaker 8: meridian reckons. We need fifty to one hundred percent more

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Speaker 1: The Breakfast Show, You Can Trust the Mic Asking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with Avida Live, The Age You Feel News Talk ZEDB Mike.

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Speaker 2: How can you possibly say Julian Nossange is a criminal

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Speaker 2: and all the people he exposed to the criminal? Such

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Speaker 2: You are a criminal. There's no opinion about that Israel.

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Speaker 2: By the way, this is the big development this morning.

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Speaker 2: the absence of a law, Israel's compulsory military service applies

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Speaker 2: The sanch Richard Arnold with the update for you shortly

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Speaker 2: from the States. Here we go again back home or

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Speaker 2: we'll run the world really a bit. It affects us

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Speaker 2: back home. Shipping costs have seen a spike. They sit

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Speaker 2: Now the custom breakers and freight forward as Federation. Former

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Speaker 2: good morning to you.

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Speaker 12: Morning Mike.

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Speaker 2: What have we got at play here apart from the

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Speaker 12: Part of that. It reminds me when we were speaking

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Speaker 12: That's causing congestion and inventory. Managers in the States are

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Speaker 2: I don't know your expertise and geopolitical matters, but why

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Speaker 2: nix it, Shoot somebody, bond, somebody get to Yemen.

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Speaker 12: Well, I think yes, it's what we've learned at the

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Speaker 2: And then the other thing is you bring it offsetting.

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Speaker 2: Exactly good insight, Chris appreciated as always, Chris Edwards. Who's

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Speaker 2: of course, is still home free and it's just a

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Speaker 2: matter of how big a blood bath. This is six forty.

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Speaker 1: Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 1: mind for New Zealand business right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks like Richard Arnold mornings he left Sidepan. Do we

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Speaker 2: know actually literally where he is?

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Speaker 13: He is Insipan And in a few hours we're going

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Speaker 13: to have that hearing on what is US territory? The

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Speaker 13: tone of Little Dot in the Pacific where some what

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Speaker 13: thirty three thousand people died during World War Two now

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Speaker 13: US territory. That is why Spreading Borders Sans, founder of

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Speaker 13: Wiki Leagues, paid five hundred thousand bucks four the private

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Speaker 13: jet flight from the UK to the remote Malan to

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Speaker 13: face a single filony count of illegally disclosing national security

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Speaker 13: infomostly about Iraq and the Afghan Wars. Now, I remember

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Speaker 13: first hearing about Assange on day one, when some producers

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Speaker 13: told me who cares about that? Turns out a lot

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Speaker 13: of folks Assange has waged the strangest battle to stay

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Speaker 13: out of the hands of American justice through these what

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Speaker 13: fourteen years or so. He lived in the ecuador An

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Speaker 13: embassy Year of gall in London for years with his cat.

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Speaker 13: They was arrested thereby the Brits when Ecuador withdrew the asylum.

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Speaker 13: He avoided sexual assault claims from Sweden in the case Massage,

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Speaker 13: long as denied and in which charges since have been dropped.

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Speaker 13: In his London maximum security prison for the past five years,

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Speaker 13: he was confined to hisself for twenty three hours a day,

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Speaker 13: with one hour per day in a prison yard for

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Speaker 13: exercise as to what he did with Wiki leagues. In

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Speaker 13: twenty nineteen, a US federal grand jury charged him on

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Speaker 13: eighteen counts that could have brought him a combined is

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Speaker 13: in term of one hundred and seventy years for leaking

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Speaker 13: almost half a million secret military documents and videos, including

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Speaker 13: one for two thousand and seven a US Apache helicopter

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Speaker 13: attack on Iraqi civilians.

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Speaker 9: As San said, the real story of this material is

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Speaker 9: that it's war.

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Speaker 5: It's one damn thing after another.

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Speaker 13: Well, a lot of this material came from the former

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Speaker 13: US soldier of Bradley Manning now Chelsea Manning. After the sexchange.

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Speaker 13: Manning served on seven years in prison until her term

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Speaker 13: was commuted by then President Obama. Manning sought a New

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Speaker 13: Zealand visa for speaking to her back in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 13: As to reactions, now, well there is celebration and condemnation.

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Speaker 13: We've been hearing these mixed responses, says his wife, Stellar

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Speaker 13: over what's occurring.

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Speaker 14: It's a whirlwind of emotions.

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Speaker 11: I mean, I'm just elated.

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Speaker 13: Also supportive is the president of Brazil, the silver and

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Speaker 13: filmmaker Michael Moore, who once put up a jail bond

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Speaker 13: twenty thousand bucks for Verssange. Donald Trump, who once said

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Speaker 13: he loved Wiki leaks, now says not my thing. President

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Speaker 13: Biden indicated he was open to ending this saga with

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Speaker 13: his plea deal. Mike Pence calls the Assage release a

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Speaker 13: miscarriage of justice. The journalism world also is divided. The

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Speaker 13: Committee to Protect Journalist welcomes his release and slams the

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Speaker 13: use of the Espionage Act to go after Assange. The

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Speaker 13: International Federation of Journalists calls his release they quote significant

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Speaker 13: victory for media freedom. Well, media commentator and former CIA

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Speaker 13: man Bob Ba says Assange crossed the line in his

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Speaker 13: thinking by failing to redact the names of Iraqi and

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Speaker 13: Afghan sources.

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Speaker 15: If they get those kind of names, they never publicize them.

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Speaker 15: They want to protect lives. He didn't do that. He's

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Speaker 15: not a journalist. He put those names in the leagues,

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Speaker 15: he did not redact them. We don't know what's happened

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Speaker 15: to a lot of those people. Probably a lot of

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Speaker 15: them got a bullet in the back of the head.

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Speaker 13: So Massannge will go back to Australia, and Bob Baas

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Speaker 13: says there is still much that remains unknown, like Assannge's

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Speaker 13: rumored Russia tis.

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Speaker 15: He had at a time a server operating off a

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Speaker 15: server in Moscow. He had a lot of strange Russian contacts.

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Speaker 15: He never ran leaks, you know, against against Russia at all.

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Speaker 15: So the intelligence community, the FBI, the question was was

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Speaker 15: he in a Russian proxy?

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Speaker 13: So hero or Hellian you decide exactly.

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Speaker 2: Then we've got a course there with Snowden, who isn't

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Speaker 2: that particular part of the world, along with Evan Gershkowitz

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Speaker 2: who is on trial.

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Speaker 13: Yes, so still on the issue of journalism and secrets.

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Speaker 13: We have Gerskovich who's going to go into court tomorrow.

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Speaker 13: He has been held in prison in Russia since March

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Speaker 13: of last year and what President Biden calls an legal detention.

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Speaker 13: Efforts to organize so far a prisoner swop have failed,

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Speaker 13: although Putin has indicated he might be open to one

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Speaker 13: if Americans going to arrange freedom for one of Putin's

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Speaker 13: crony's held in Germany. So complicated, Evan Gerskovich will be

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Speaker 13: tried in secret in the city of Katrenburg and faces

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Speaker 13: up to twenty years in prison. No family, friends, or

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Speaker 13: US embassy staff will be given access. As Russia expert

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Speaker 13: William Pomerant.

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Speaker 11: There is going to be no fair trial. He is

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Speaker 11: going to be convicted, and once he is convicted then

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Speaker 11: some sort of negotiations will take place.

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Speaker 13: So two key cases the challenges of journalism.

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Speaker 2: All right, Mape, see you next week. Appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold stateside, speaking of courts. US prosecutors, they're recommending

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Speaker 2: the DOJ brings the criminal charges against Boeing. They claimed

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Speaker 2: the DOJ that the planemaker had violated a settlement related

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Speaker 2: to the two fatal crashes. They cut a deal. Under

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Speaker 2: the deal reach this is twenty twenty one, Boeing would

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Speaker 2: pay two and a half billion. Prosecutors agreed to ask

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Speaker 2: the court to drop a criminal charge after three years

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Speaker 2: if the company abided by certain stipulation set out in

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Speaker 2: the defird prosecution agreement. Last month the dog said that

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Speaker 2: was a breach or it had been breached. Families, of course,

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Speaker 2: the suing families. Of course, they bring the charges, get

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Speaker 2: on with it. The other thing, speaking of courts, I

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Speaker 2: told you the other day they were going to court

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Speaker 2: to try and prevent the Dali crew from going back home,

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Speaker 2: most to India, eight of them. They dropped that they're

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Speaker 2: all gone. That seems to have been sorted. And if

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Speaker 2: I get time later, there's a fascinating piece of BBS

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Speaker 2: seeded on how to rebuild a bridge in double quick

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Speaker 2: time for not a lot of money infrastructure spending, which

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Speaker 2: is a course of interest to this particular country at

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Speaker 2: the moment. Ling away from seven.

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Speaker 1: The my costly Racist where the fave news talk said me.

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Speaker 2: From seven, I think I've got some good news on

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson. Some correspondents came in overnight. The word now

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Speaker 2: is Saba who are going to be Audi in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. And there's a couple of seats available, but

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Speaker 2: the door is closing. And the Riccardo thing hasn't been

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Speaker 2: sorted out. So Ted Kravitz, who you want to listen to,

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Speaker 2: because he knows what he's talking about on sky TV

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Speaker 2: apart from anything. So he's suggesting they can't get past

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Speaker 2: the Riccardo thing. One of two things could happen. What's

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Speaker 2: his face? Who runs Red Bull? Whose name I can't

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Speaker 2: remember Anyway, he loves Ricardo. So Riccardo could go to

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Speaker 2: SABA because Saba there's a link with Red Bull. More

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Speaker 2: likely as Lawson goes, because the keep Ricardo, So Ricardo

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Speaker 2: and Sonoda, who confirmed Sonoda's already confirmed perious stays so

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Speaker 2: they promise Lawson to drive in twenty five. So what

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Speaker 2: do they do if they keep Ricardo? Will they pull

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Speaker 2: them off somewhere else? There's been a link with Williams.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people a link with Williams these days,

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Speaker 2: including Carlos Science. But the current word is he could

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Speaker 2: get a drive at Sauba, which will turn into Audi

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Speaker 2: and the Audi part of it's interesting because they've got

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Speaker 2: the money and the inclination to take a pretty ordinary

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Speaker 2: team and make them good. So we once again watch

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Speaker 2: that space, will continue to watch that space with a

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Speaker 2: great deal of interest. Five away from seven bill, the

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Speaker 2: ins and the outs.

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Speaker 1: It's the fizz on the Mike Husking Breakfast on News

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Speaker 1: Talk sed Be.

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Speaker 2: Christian Horner is the person I was trying to think,

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Speaker 2: a big caller on the aviation industry this morning. Looftant

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Speaker 2: C they've responded to the growing noise from activists to

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Speaker 2: do something about the airline industry's impact on climate. So

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Speaker 2: as soon as this week they're going to be adding

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Speaker 2: end quote environmental cost surcharge to all tickets. How much

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Speaker 2: is that I hear you ask? Could be as high

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Speaker 2: as one hundred and twenty five dollars a ticket surcharge

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Speaker 2: intended to cover the rising additional cost due to regulatory

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Speaker 2: environmental requirements. It'll apply to all flights out of the

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Speaker 2: twenty seven member countries of the EU plus the UK,

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Speaker 2: Norway and Switzerland. Mostly due to these EU quotas are

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Speaker 2: being stuck on airlines, things like how much sustainable aviation

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Speaker 2: fuel they use. That's quote coming into effect. Next to you,

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Speaker 2: it'll steadily increase until twenty fifty and because of that,

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Speaker 2: Loutantza's bill has increase, they claim, quote unquote by billions.

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Speaker 2: And of course, as always, it will be you and

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Speaker 2: me paying that particular bill one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 2: dollars a ticket. It's one of those weird things. Given

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Speaker 2: the fascination we have with travel, we'll going, no, that

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Speaker 2: can't brief here, but then we'll pay it and then

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Speaker 2: we'll go to go to the Greek Islands for holidays. Now,

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Speaker 2: Mark Robinson, not often in the public eye, old Mark,

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Speaker 2: when you ring them up and say do you want

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Speaker 2: to have a word? Not often in the public eye.

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Speaker 2: But they've lost some money again, not as bad as

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Speaker 2: last year. They talked positively about the trajectory of income

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Speaker 2: for rugby and rugby in general. Certainly some ratings are

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Speaker 2: up and they've got more players. I know, haven't read

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Speaker 2: the report yesterday. They've got more people playing, so that's

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Speaker 2: an encouraging thing. I sus spoke and of course they've

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Speaker 2: had a big week with Razor and the announcement of

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Speaker 2: the squad. Anyway, they're still losing money, so why is

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Speaker 2: that and when does that turn around? Do they have

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Speaker 2: a plan on that? Marke Robinson with us and we've

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Speaker 2: got part two two stories of Part two one. There

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Speaker 2: is a part two to the COVID inquiry, and that's

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Speaker 2: highly unusual of course, because these are big deals. And

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Speaker 2: the reason there's a Part two is they didn't really

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Speaker 2: believe Part one was going to do a lot. But

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Speaker 2: it's doing enough for ACT to continue to see it through,

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Speaker 2: not enough for Winston Peters, who's pulled the trigger on

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Speaker 2: the agree to disagree clause. So that's the first time

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Speaker 2: as well. Brook van Velden is the person behind all

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Speaker 2: of us. She's with us. After the news, which is

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Speaker 2: next He read news talks EDB what the big.

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Speaker 1: News, Bold Opinions, the Mic Hosking, Breakfast with Jaguar, the

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Speaker 1: art of Performance News togs edb.

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Speaker 2: Welling seven past seven. So we get two COVID inquiries.

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Speaker 2: The current one will complete its work this year, and

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Speaker 2: then Part two begins asking the sort of questions Part

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Speaker 2: one should have but didn't. And then that is the

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Speaker 2: politics of it all. Of course, the Minister of Internal Affairs,

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Speaker 2: Brook van Velden is with us. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 14: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour gave it away, I think on this program

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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when I asked him about

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Speaker 2: it in generally he talked about the sanctity of what

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Speaker 2: is already under way and the importance of that and

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Speaker 2: you just can't muck with that. Is that part of

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Speaker 2: what's driven your decision?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that is part of my decision making. Look, I

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Speaker 14: know that there are some concerns with the original now

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Speaker 14: phase one of the inquiry, but there's a larger question

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Speaker 14: at play here, and that's how much do we wish

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Speaker 14: to respect our democratic institutions? And that's really important for me.

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Speaker 14: It's unprecedented to end a Royal Commission. So what will

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Speaker 14: happen now is the Royal Commission or now Phase one

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Speaker 14: will report back to me in November and in new

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Speaker 14: terms of reference with new commissioners will now take its place,

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Speaker 14: coming back in February twenty twenty six. And I think

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Speaker 14: that is really the only part forward as quite an

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Speaker 14: elegant solution.

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Speaker 2: How much of a jack up do you see Part one?

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Speaker 4: As I think there are actually quite a few areas

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Speaker 4: that will be quite important for Part one to focus on,

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Speaker 4: and I think the commissioners will actually do a good

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Speaker 4: job in realm looking at things like the health response

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Speaker 4: of the government and the government communication where I think

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Speaker 4: people are looking for more focus and what Phase two

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Speaker 4: will focus on are things like the government's response and

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Speaker 4: how that was weighed up against.

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Speaker 14: Education, health, business inflation, what its response did to debt

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Speaker 14: and business activity, the social division that was caused in

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Speaker 14: our society, and importantly also touches on New Zealand first

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Speaker 14: commitment where they wish to look into vaccine efficacy. So

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Speaker 14: it's a bit broader in range. I think answers a

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Speaker 14: lot of those questions that will be on the top

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Speaker 14: of people's minds. Was the government too fixated on just

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Speaker 14: one aspect of its response?

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Speaker 2: Do you have sympathy for Peters?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 14: Look, I think I think many many people have concerned

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Speaker 14: about their current commissioners. But look what I would say

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Speaker 14: to that is I've actually had some really really good

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Speaker 14: discussion with both of the current commissioners. They were both

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Speaker 14: very open, very honest, and that's how we've led to

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Speaker 14: having now two phases where the two current commissioners will

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Speaker 14: be resigning in November and now we'll have new commissioners

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Speaker 14: and a new path forward which everybody is united by.

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Speaker 14: I think there's just one little discrepancy on how much

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Speaker 14: we wish to pay weight on the time and the

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Speaker 14: resources and the evidence gathered to date for Phase one.

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Speaker 2: Fly on the Wall, you and Peters in a room

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Speaker 2: together explaining it to each other. How grow did it get?

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Speaker 14: Look, I actually have really good relationships across government, so look,

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Speaker 14: I don't tend to get aggressive in any any real situation.

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Speaker 14: What I would say is that we just have three

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Speaker 14: parties that are working really well together. You'll note that

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Speaker 14: we're all united in the past forward. It's just that

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Speaker 14: we had a little disagreement on one of the aspects

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Speaker 14: of the past. So you know, I think actually we

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Speaker 14: work quite well as the government.

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Speaker 2: Okay, who's going to lead and what sort of person

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Speaker 2: will that be? Part two?

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Speaker 14: Well, what I'm looking for for the new commissioners is

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Speaker 14: a range of experience in a legal background as well

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Speaker 14: as economics background, ideally having a health background as well.

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Speaker 14: So that's the ideal mix up. In August, I'll be

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Speaker 14: coming back with the exact names and the terms of

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Speaker 14: reference all signed off, but at the stage I can't

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Speaker 14: say who exactly will be there. We're still working our

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Speaker 14: way through those details.

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Speaker 2: Nice to Toky Brook van Velden out of the Act

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Speaker 2: Party Minister for Internal Affairs. Eleven minutes past seven task

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Speaker 2: the committee looking into the Mara Ward builders come back

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Speaker 2: and said get on with it. Basically we go back

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Speaker 2: to what we had. It'll return binding community polls triggered

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Speaker 2: by a petition of five percent of eligible voters. Also

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Speaker 2: require compulsory polls on any MARI wards created since the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one changes to run us alongside next year's

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Speaker 2: council elections. Now the timporary mayor, Nigel Bowes with us

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Speaker 2: Nigel Morning, Good morning. A lot of upset around this

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Speaker 2: law and the change of the law. A lot of

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Speaker 2: as signed letters. You weren't one of them? Why not?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: My personal view Mike is that you know we're possible.

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Speaker 16: If we're wanting to make changes to democracy, should actually

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Speaker 16: sit with the people. So I actually find it strange

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Speaker 16: that you know, MEAs were so keen to sign the letter,

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Speaker 16: because I think if you can have changes sitting with

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Speaker 16: the people, then that would make sense. We get elected

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Speaker 16: by the people, so why are we afraid, you know,

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Speaker 16: for the people to make the decision.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't agree with you more, would your counsel agree with you?

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Speaker 16: I would say, we're probably an eighty twenty would agree

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Speaker 16: with me, but we haven't actually had a discussion.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not democratic though, is it? Because I

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Speaker 2: mean these things never canvassed on the election campaign and

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Speaker 2: suddenly a council turns up together and goes, by the way,

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Speaker 2: here's what we're going to do. And there's no comeback

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Speaker 2: for the punter on that.

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Speaker 16: No, exactly, Look and it doesn't take. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 16: that elected members can't have a strong view and if

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Speaker 16: they want to support the public and having a referendum

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Speaker 16: and putting those points across and the reasons poor, they

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Speaker 16: can do that and they can lead the so you know,

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Speaker 16: but that's just outside of the ellegiant. So if you

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Speaker 16: want to to your point, if you want to campaign

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Speaker 16: on it, do so that be transparent.

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Speaker 2: But here is the ultimate campaigning policy, and that's a

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Speaker 2: thing called democracy. If you're a Maori and you want

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Speaker 2: to stand, you can and if you get enough votes,

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Speaker 2: you are elected. And that's always been the rule and

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Speaker 2: that's the way we should be running the country basically,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: No, one hundred percent agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Good on you, Nigel, appreciate it. Nigel Byn, who's the

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Speaker 2: timuru miya? Thirteen minutes past seven pasking just to the pole,

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Speaker 2: National up a couple thirty eight acts seven New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First six, also up to Coalition partners on sixty four seats,

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Speaker 2: means they can run the government obviously, Labor down a

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Speaker 2: point to twenty nine to Party Marray three and the

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Speaker 2: Green Party on thirteen despite all their many and varied troubles.

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Speaker 2: So all that indicates to me is what I tried

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Speaker 2: to say to you last time, which was do not

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Speaker 2: get too excited, because some people, of course last time

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Speaker 2: did get excited.

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Speaker 17: Muckle up, brace for impact, free four bang may day

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Speaker 17: plummeting a nightmare is the honeymoon period over? This poll

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Speaker 17: will absolutely rock the entire parliament.

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Speaker 2: No I didn't because then this poll last night came

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Speaker 2: along and just said nothing actually happened. Thirteen past seven

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Speaker 2: the Mike Hosty, racist MUC and Jinny after right. Marke

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Speaker 2: Robinson is in charge of another loss for the rugby Union,

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Speaker 2: not as bad as last year, but they think they're

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Speaker 2: on a path to some sort of recovery. So we'll

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Speaker 2: work you through the details. Shortly sixteen past seven the

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Speaker 2: Julian Assange saga. As you well knows, over he struck

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Speaker 2: a deal, hasn't actually signed it, I don't think yet,

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Speaker 2: but will today and then on his way to Australia

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Speaker 2: struck a deal with the United States. He will plead

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Speaker 2: guilty to an sp and arch charge at hearing in Saipan.

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Speaker 2: The judge will sentence him to sixty two months. Those

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Speaker 2: sixty two months have already been served. Then he's on

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Speaker 2: the private jet to Australia. Security Intelligent analyst Paul bu

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Speaker 2: Chennan's with us. Paul, very good morning to you.

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Speaker 11: Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: I found the whole thing deeply fascinating. I think he's

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Speaker 2: a crook, but nevertheless, who wins do you think ultimately

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Speaker 2: out of this?

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Speaker 10: Well, actually the decision was rather solemnonic because you know,

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Speaker 10: he's been confined one way or another since twenty twelve,

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Speaker 10: so he's spent a lot of time by himself. And

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Speaker 10: the charge that he played guilty to, as it turns out,

812
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Speaker 10: was the lesser of eighteen charges. He pled guilty to

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Speaker 10: unlawfully obtaining and disseminating classified information related to the national

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Speaker 10: defense of the United States. It's who he shared that

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Speaker 10: information with, And what I would say is this, it

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Speaker 10: was Chelsea Manning who provided him with the videotapes of

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Speaker 10: the helicopter attack on civilians and journalists and Baghdad in

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Speaker 10: twenty ten, and that was a war crime. But what

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Speaker 10: happened after that? The information, in the first instance a

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Speaker 10: wiki leaks put out went to investigative journalists like Nicky

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Speaker 10: Hager and that sort of folk. But subsequent leaks went

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Speaker 10: to the Russians. The Hillary Clinton emails that basically upended

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Speaker 10: the twenty sixth campaign were obtained by WikiLeaks and then

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Speaker 10: sent to Russian intelligence. Now that was after Assange was arrested,

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Speaker 10: while he was actually in the Ecuadorian Infasty hiding out there.

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Speaker 10: But I would say that Assange was very careless with

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Speaker 10: his dissemination of the sensitive information because the haatred of

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Speaker 10: the United States. Now the US has gone his pound

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Speaker 10: of flesh out of him. He's a broken guy again.

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Speaker 10: He's been confined for what fourteen years or one way

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Speaker 10: or another. So to me this sounds like, you know,

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Speaker 10: a fair way and the entire thing. Now he wants

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Speaker 10: to pardon from this charge down the road. I don't

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Speaker 10: think he's going to get that. But the president is

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Speaker 10: twofold one. We still have the case where the United

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Speaker 10: States has gone after a working journalist or obtaining information

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Speaker 10: about war crimes. I guess it's it comes down to

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Speaker 10: this Mike, you either think he's a whistle blower or

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Speaker 10: you think he's a trader. Now he's not a US citizen,

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Speaker 10: so he can't be a trader to the United States.

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Speaker 10: I tend to think that he's a whistleblower who's gone broke,

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Speaker 10: unlike Edward Snowden, who deliberately took very sensitive stuff and

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Speaker 10: gave it to the bad guys, not just an investigative journalists,

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Speaker 10: and went way beyond what he claimed was his reasons,

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Speaker 10: which was that they were going on Americans up lawfully.

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Speaker 10: I separate the two out. I think that just assange

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Speaker 10: because of this abiding hatred of the United States. And

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Speaker 10: there's many people in the journalistic community who have this

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Speaker 10: sort of states for the United States for various sins

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Speaker 10: committed over their history, who I won't say they deliberately

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Speaker 10: tried to hurt the US, but they are very careless

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Speaker 10: with their journalist.

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Speaker 2: Exactly good on your Paul Listener. I apologize for the

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Speaker 2: quality of that line, but we've got a good insight

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Speaker 2: and appreciate it very much. As regards the role of

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Speaker 2: the Australian government, toll be fascinating to see what Steep

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Speaker 2: Price has to say after eight thirty this morning, seven

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Speaker 2: that's just forty dollars ninety nine. And while you're there,

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869
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Speaker 2: and that's do out of forty four ninety nine. But

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Speaker 2: chemists Warehouse skiing L seven twenty four are so, as

877
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: you've heard, we've got our first degree to disagree clause

878
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 2: of this new coalition first point to make. I think

879
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: it's important how mature does this look? I mean New

880
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: Zealand first has invoked the clause, which is probably not

881
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 2: a surprise if anyone was going to invoke it. To

882
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: be them are the surprise. As in previous coalitions this

883
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: would have been described as a crack. Cracks are forming

884
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: in the government, angst would be growing, headlines would increase

885
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 2: some frequency. And yet in twenty twenty four, if it

886
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: is as it seems, it's a clause, that's life. We'll

887
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: move on. That is to the credit by the way

888
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: of Christo per Luxen who stitched the thing together with

889
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: the view of it holding long term. So far, so

890
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: good as regards who is right. It is to do

891
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: with the Act lead decision. As you've just heard that

892
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 2: the COVID inquiry will now be in two parts. Part

893
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: one is the bit that's on now headed by Tony Blakelee.

894
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: They will finish their work and report in November. Then

895
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: Part two new chaired new commissioners, wider terms of reference

896
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: now a Brook van Velden argues, and I think she did.

897
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: It's worth keeping the current inquiry because underway and stopping

898
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: it would be wasteful. I've got an element of sympathy

899
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 2: for that. Although it is a jack up from labor.

900
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: It will elicit some things that are of value. But

901
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: as much sympathy as I have for the waste to argument,

902
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 2: I have more sympathy for New Zealand first, who on

903
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: this question are more right than actors. Blakely should never

904
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 2: have been appointed, and the terms of reference are a joke.

905
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: It was classical labour. Stack the deck and pretend it's

906
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: a proper game. The stuff we desperately want investigated isn't

907
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: part of the inquiry. Vaccine procurement and efficacy, all the

908
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: wider economic and social issues. We are still wading through

909
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: that as we speak, with this crippled old economy of ours. Personally,

910
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: I'd like to see people called and compelled to turn up,

911
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: but that's wishful thinking. The other bit is the second

912
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: part won't report back until twenty twenty six election year.

913
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: COVID started in twenty nineteen. The reporters do seven years later.

914
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: That's not pace or progress act will have their reasons,

915
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: some of which you just heard. But Peter's on this

916
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: has read the mood better and I think ultimately is

917
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: on the right of it. But the fact he can

918
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: invoke a clause and not split a dummy is masive

919
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: progress in the collegiality of a multi party arrangement running

920
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: the country, and the success of that is not to

921
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: be underestimated. Pasking Mike, I wonder how much of the

922
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: COVID inquiry would be in the officially sanctioned Jcinda movie.

923
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: John another one, Mike, why don't we just scrap the

924
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: COVID response review and just wait for the wonderful documentary

925
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: coming out of hollywood'sturing our very own Dame Descender. I'm

926
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: queuing up now in anticipation. Are these texts from people

927
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: who've switched their obsession from fluoride to the Justinda movie?

928
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Is that's what happened here? So you were fascinated with

929
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: fluoride or the vaccine jab now you're obsessed with the movie.

930
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: I'm getting at nine thousand texts between now and the

931
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 2: movie's release. Honestly, there's more important things to think about.

932
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: Mike rb red Bull have to confirm their twenty twenty

933
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: five intentions. This goes back to what I was telling

934
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: you before seven o'clock. The word this morning is Liam's

935
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: off to sober. RB have to confirm their twenty twenty

936
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 2: five intentions to Liam by September, after which he's free

937
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: to go to another team. I reckon Ricardo is going

938
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 2: to be released next month and Liam's going to be

939
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: driving after the dinner break, the dinner break being the

940
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 2: summer break they've got. I can't remember this. Two or three,

941
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: maybe four more races before the summer break. I don't

942
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: see it. I don't think they will change during the year.

943
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll let Ricardo go during the year

944
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: because they seem obsessed with him for reasons that I'm

945
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: on jacques Ville nerves side. I'll be watching the Canadian

946
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Grand Prix the other day jacques Ville nerve said why

947
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: is he there? He's not that good and he's not

948
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 2: that fast. Why is he still there, to which Riccardo

949
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: didn't respond particularly well. But nevertheless, I'm on jacques Ville

950
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: nerves side. Anyway, I think if they're going to do it,

951
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: they'll announce it for next year. So so it's full

952
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: of intrigue. But every day I suddenly think, oh, Geez's

953
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: going to miss out. How can he miss out? This

954
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: isn't cool. Then you get a little bit of news

955
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: to suggest he's not going to miss out, and that's good. Now,

956
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: speaking of sport, New Zealand rugby is still losing money,

957
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: not as much as last year. What is the plan?

958
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: Mark Robinson next, demanding the answers from the decision makers.

959
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: The mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate doing real

960
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News togs, dB.

961
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: Poll Out Poll Survey Employment confidence full and sharply hardly surprised.

962
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: The West maccderom at Miller's survey fell thirteen points. It's

963
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: below one hundred hundreds good. Below one hundred's bad. We're

964
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 2: at ninety one point four. So the June quarter lower

965
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: since the lockdown. So she's dark. Although I will have

966
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Speaker 2: something more to say it on the program, I die,

967
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 2: I don't have time today. But if you think about

968
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: what's going on in unemployment, unemployment currently is four point

969
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: three percent, and the headlines do not equate to what's

970
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: actually happening. We are miserable about jobs in this country.

971
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: Somebody said the other day it's like the Hunger Games,

972
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: and I thought, is it? I mean, obviously having lost

973
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: jobs before. I mean no one likes losing their job,

974
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: whether getting sacked or being made redundant. And there are

975
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 2: lots of people who have lost their jobs of late.

976
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: But when you look at the actual facts, I don't

977
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: know that it's as bad as people have made out.

978
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: But anyway, more on that tomorrow, twenty three minutes away

979
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: from eight Politics Wednesday. Are good that Mark Mitchell's here

980
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: because we've got the weather of course in Hawks Bay

981
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: and the wairoa state of emergency, so we'll get the

982
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: update from him because that's his particular sphere of influence

983
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: among others. Meantime, big week for the new Zilla Rugby

984
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: union airs. Monday night they announced the all black spot

985
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: of course for the year. Then yesterday we get the books.

986
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 2: It's a loss of nine million or thereabouts, second loss

987
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: in a row, not as bad as last years. Last

988
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: years was forty seven billion. The bosses, Mike Robinson is

989
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: with us morning Morning night. Is next year black or

990
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: you can't say that.

991
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 18: To say that, Mike, But we're working really hard on

992
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 18: our model. I think we've said for some time now

993
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 18: that the way it's developed over the last twenty twenty

994
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 18: five years means we've got a really high sex cost

995
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 18: space and we're working really hard for stakeholders to try

996
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 18: and you know, alter that a little bit. And last

997
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 18: year was certainly a tough year as it relates to

998
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 18: World Cup. We lose significant amount of revenue on broadcasting

999
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 18: and next day revenue. So overall, even though it's always

1000
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 18: disappointing to be in a lost position, when you compare

1001
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 18: ourselves around the world and things we are able to

1002
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 18: invest in the game, we don't feel too bad.

1003
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: What gets you out of it cuts or increase revenue

1004
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: or a mixture you're both.

1005
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 18: Probably a mixture of both and a bit of a

1006
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 18: tweak of the model as we so much. You know,

1007
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 18: there's no matter where we look across the games, there's

1008
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 18: always great reasons for investment, so be it in in

1009
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 18: our competitions, bed into the community game. We're obviously starting

1010
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 18: off on a new journey as it relates to ingesting

1011
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 18: and commercial growth. The organization and and and player base

1012
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 18: really create really key that we keep that fantastic talent

1013
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 18: we have, so all of those things are really important

1014
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 18: investment areas, But we have to look probably at combination

1015
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 18: things there around costs, some better efficiencies and then growth

1016
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 18: of revenue.

1017
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: See how do you get growth of revenue? Is the

1018
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 2: growth of revenue one of the things that fascinates me

1019
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: at the moment. It seems globally sport is on fire.

1020
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: If you look at some of the sports in America,

1021
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: there is money to burn on sport. Why aren't we

1022
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: reaping those rewards?

1023
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 18: Well, we're just starting off, an't we. I think we're

1024
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 18: We've done a really good job over the last couple

1025
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 18: of years. Revenue across the game now in New Zealander

1026
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 18: is probably around three hundred and fifty million dollar mark.

1027
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 18: New Zealand rugby constitutes more than seventy million dollars of that,

1028
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 18: and we think we can grow that over time. But

1029
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 18: we had a relatively small fan base here. We've been

1030
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 18: really clear that we've got to, throughout the we did

1031
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 18: in the last few years, that we've got to connect

1032
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 18: more with our international fan base, and so that just

1033
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 18: takes time. We've got to establish the competitions and the

1034
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 18: fixtures that connect with those parts of the world and

1035
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 18: emerging markets and bigger population bases and We've also got to,

1036
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 18: you know, work really hard at building the content play

1037
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 18: that we have going on too and getting that into

1038
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 18: different parts of the world. So all of those things

1039
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 18: will take time. But we firmly believe, as you say,

1040
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 18: there's real value in life sport and sport in general,

1041
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 18: and we're looking forward to sort of working towards it.

1042
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: Because the conversion is the key, isn't it. Because I know,

1043
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: for example, you've got more players, that's a good sign

1044
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: for the game. You've got more audience, you put those

1045
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 2: super rugby figures out, so more people are watching. All

1046
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 2: of that's excellent, but unless you can convert, it means

1047
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: nothing exactly.

1048
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 18: Yeah, you're right, and we've got really great people working

1049
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 18: on that at the moment. Trace sent and he had

1050
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 18: a commercials just come into that role. So he's building

1051
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 18: a team working on that and that is the key,

1052
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 18: That is the key play here. But that'll take time.

1053
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 18: You know, in the scheme of things, we've only been

1054
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 18: going a very very short amount of time. We still

1055
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 18: believe very much in this project long term, but it

1056
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 18: just will take a bit of patience.

1057
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: Okay, a couple of weeks ago, we had the chambels

1058
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: around the vote. Has that been sort and will it

1059
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: play out to some degree at the AGM in the

1060
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: sense we're expecting a resignation or two.

1061
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 18: I'm pretty clear I'm not. It's not for me to

1062
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 18: be talking about the questions on the on the governments

1063
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 18: of you and what's going to happen has related to

1064
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 18: governments at the AGM or or around behind the scenes.

1065
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 18: But it's definitely you know, we all acknowledged it wasn't

1066
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 18: and isn't great for the game. We as you've just said,

1067
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 18: we see some of the ating things happening that we're actively

1068
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 18: involved in, right from the community right through the professional

1069
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 18: and international level. Look at these test matches and they

1070
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 18: need and sold out last weekend and Auckham sold out.

1071
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 18: Auckham so hold out in a couple weeks time with

1072
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 18: more seat coming on sale. So San Diego's I think

1073
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 18: all but sold out. So look, the game has siny

1074
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 18: got challenges, we recognize that, but there hell a lot

1075
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 18: of great stuff happening too.

1076
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 2: All right, good to hear at Mark Robinson, who's the ceong.

1077
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: Let's see that San Diego sold out, that New Zealand

1078
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: plays Fiji and San Diego thing I just can't get

1079
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Speaker 2: my head around that as being anything more than expats.

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00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: In other words, it's not making a big infiltration into America.

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Speaker 2: Be that is May eighteen to eight, lasking. The numbers

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Speaker 2: are interesting. So the income was two sixty eight expended

1083
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: to two seventy seven, So there's your loss. The reference

1084
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: to the players up seven percent. Number of registered players

1085
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Speaker 2: had one hundred and fifty thousand, so I would have

1086
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 2: thought that's encouraging. I told you about the the on

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00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: E stuff, the digital streaming, that's all gone up. Commercial income,

1088
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 2: sponsor support remained at historic highs, and thirty nine percent

1089
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: decrease of match day income from twenty eight million down

1090
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: to seventeen hurt them. And that's the Rugby World Cup year,

1091
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: et cetera. So it all makes sense. It's just whether

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00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: you believe they can. They can make it come right.

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00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 2: Seventeen to two, the make costing breakfast. It is fourteen

1094
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: minutes away from Mike and Nellie chunking it in F two.

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00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: Mercedes put him in a better car for the second

1096
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: F two seas and Bottas and the Mercedes science to Saba.

1097
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: Liam reunited with Alex at Williams makes sense. It meant

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00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: all possible, as long as the all I'm worried about

1099
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: is the windows closing. As each week goes by, everyone's

1100
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: apparently just standing by for Carlo Science to work out

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00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 2: where he's going, because he can seemingly go anywhere he

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00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: wants apart from Mercedes, and Mercedes don't want them. One

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00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 2: thing I saw the other day, funnily enough, George Russell

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00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: and Toto Wolf were out on the Inios America's Cup

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00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: boat and George Russell was driving it, which is quite

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00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: something because I'm sure to drive something like that you

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00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: need some level of skill. Anyway he drive it, but

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00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: Toto was on the he was a cyclaw and the

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00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: wattage he put out was phenomenal. And so the cycle

1110
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: as if you remember the America's Cup, your pedal madly

1111
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: when the sail shift or the wing shift, and the

1112
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: level of strength and power you need to do that

1113
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: on a sustained basis is extraordinary. You need basically to

1114
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: be an Olympic quality type athlete, and Toto Wolf is

1115
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: and they were like seriously impressed with his ability on

1116
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: the bike. So and so the pictures of fantastic looks

1117
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: like a good bite to me. He's not going to win. Obviously,

1118
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: we don't know. We know it's going to win, but

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00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 2: you know it looks pretty Dr Shawn Sweeney, here's an

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00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: interesting story for you. Doctor Shawn Sweeney is the head

1121
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: not for much longer, as it turns out, because he's

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00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: quit of CRL, the City Rail Link. So for people

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00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: outside of Auckland City Rail Links a hole in the

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00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: ground that will go round in a circle and as

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00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: a result of that being finished, we'll all apparently have

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00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: our lives transformed or not. It's behind and it's costing

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00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: a shed load more than it was supposed to. It's

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00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 2: the usual construction story of this country. Anyway, Sean's gone

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00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 2: and quit and he's off to Ireland. He's going to

1130
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: go to Dublin. They've got a project there called the

1131
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: metro Link, and he's going to go to ar Now.

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Speaker 2: First of all, first question is when you employ somebody

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 2: to lead a project, surely you have a contract that

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00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: says you will not be leading until the projects complete.

1135
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: Surely that's in there somewhere, except for apart from exceptional

1136
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: circumstances like you're going to die or you turn out

1137
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: to be unbelievably incompetent. Or something like that. And yet

1138
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 2: this guy is apparently just going oh bye bye, so

1139
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: he gets another job and he's off. Second question is

1140
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: upon the press release and this I've got to hand

1141
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: out some you know for bs. Congratulations on whoever wrote this,

1142
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: Well done you success. This is how it opens. Successful

1143
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: leadership of New Zealand's largest transport project has won a

1144
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: top international appointment for the chief executive of Auckland City

1145
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: rail Link, doctor Sean Sweeney. Dr Sweeney has resigned today

1146
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: from the City rail Link project to lead the Metrolink

1147
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: project in Ireland's capital in Dublin. And they go on

1148
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: and on about he says, the project will always remain

1149
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: special to me. Is that's something that honestly, if you

1150
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: pulled a hole in the ground, does that I tell

1151
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: you what. Let me take you back to twenty nineteen, Brian,

1152
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: I was in Auckland and we were digging a hole

1153
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: in the ground. I tell you what, what a special

1154
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 2: hole that was. You know, think that's how you do it.

1155
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that's how you do it at all. Anyway,

1156
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: Why isn't he staying till the end of the project.

1157
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: It says in the past six years he successfully steered

1158
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 2: the project. Is that an oxymoron? Can you successfully steer

1159
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: something that's grotesquely late and fantastically over budget? He successfully

1160
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: steered the project through the collapse of one of the

1161
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: projects made just sim they've collapsed, Sean, I don't worry

1162
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: about that. I'll steer us through it. No problems th all. Now, Look,

1163
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: I've got nothing against the guy. I've interviewed him several times.

1164
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 2: Seems a perfectly likable guy, and obviously the Irish think

1165
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 2: he's up to doing something similar in their particular part

1166
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 2: of the world. But what I want to know is one,

1167
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: why you leave before attended? Does that tell you something

1168
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: about the project? And how do you feel about leaving

1169
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: something that's not complete and is badly uncomplete? And I

1170
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 2: just wonder if some of the those businesses in downtown

1171
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: Auckland listening to this are going, hah, good old Sean,

1172
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 2: what a bloke. I wonder if some of those businesses

1173
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: who no longer exist because they refuse to pay any

1174
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: form of compensation whatsoever as they closed your street and

1175
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: ruined your business. I wonder if they're wishing sewn the

1176
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: best or is that just life turn away from it?

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Speaker 1: My Costeel breakfasts with Jaguar News talks that b.

1178
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 2: Phido serving away from at AI heading for the courts.

1179
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: Couple of startups that use AI for music creation software

1180
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: are being sued by the world's biggest record labels and

1181
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 2: they're all in there as far as they can work out.

1182
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: There's the New Zealand Chair or the Intellectual Property Society.

1183
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Kate Duckworth is with us on this Kate morning.

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00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,399
Speaker 19: Good morning, great to be on your show.

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00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: No, thank you very much. Is this the first of

1186
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: many cases? Do you think?

1187
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 11: Yeah?

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 19: Absolutely, I can't see a defense. They're in terms of

1189
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 19: the AI taking copyright music works and reforming them and

1190
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 19: doing whatever AI does to them.

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00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: So what do you think their argument is? This is

1192
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: a company called Suno and the other one account remember

1193
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: was that your do o Ordo.

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00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 19: Yeah. Their defense will either be that it's a fair use,

1195
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 19: which is quite a strong defense in the United States

1196
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 19: a little bit less so in New Zealand, or else

1197
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 19: they'll claim, as was claimed in a case about Andy Warhol,

1198
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 19: that it's transformative what AI does to the original copyright work.

1199
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 19: Those are the angles I think they'll go down for

1200
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 19: a defense.

1201
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: Okay, The most famous one is this BBL drizzy, this

1202
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 2: parody track of the thing between Lamar and Drake. If

1203
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: you make something new but was based on something that

1204
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: we know, is that still illegal or not?

1205
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 19: That is, unless you make it what in the US

1206
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 19: they call transformative, that you transform it into something else

1207
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 19: that really is new, even though you might have copied

1208
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 19: in the beginning. So it depends to the extent to

1209
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 19: which it's different. And you might remember that in the

1210
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 19: eight Mile case with the National Party a few yes back.

1211
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: Yes, pretty legal as far as Steven Joyce was concerned,

1212
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: having said that, do you have to do it in

1213
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: all the courts if you can land a good result

1214
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: from these companies point of view, If you can land

1215
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: a good result in America, do you have to land

1216
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: the same result in Europe to make it effective globally

1217
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: or not?

1218
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 19: That's right, technically you do. But what you want to

1219
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 19: do is scare them off enough that they want to

1220
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 19: litigate around the world and lose, so they'll fold.

1221
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but here's the problem. I mean, you might win

1222
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: against Suno and Udio, but then there's eight hundred thousand

1223
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 2: other people doing the same thing, and their garages and

1224
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 2: their bedrooms all over the place and it's whack a mole.

1225
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 19: Yeah, that's right. And I think where you would take

1226
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 19: some heart as from what's happened to the music industry.

1227
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 19: You started off with Napster and those platforms like that

1228
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 19: that were copying music, and now we see that people

1229
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 19: are prepared to use legal models like Spotify. So there's

1230
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 19: been a real shift in the market. And if I

1231
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 19: was you or of Sony Music, that's what I would

1232
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 19: be hoping for, is to bring about change in the

1233
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 19: way the industry operates.

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: Good stuff, good insight. We'll follow it with a great

1235
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: deal of interest. AI I'm still on. I was going

1236
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: to say I'm on the fence. I'm not on the fence.

1237
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm in the position I'm normally in, which is it

1238
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: is not going to be what they say it is

1239
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 2: all the crazies who say it's going to replace all

1240
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: the jobs and you won't even recognize it. Some idiots.

1241
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: Who's Japanese guy, I can't remember what the company was

1242
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 2: the head of he came out and he said, we're

1243
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: going to have AI that's ten thousand times more intellectually

1244
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: advanced than a human being in five or ten years.

1245
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: And I thought, that's the sort of foolish thing that

1246
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: we always say. It doesn't matter what the technological advances,

1247
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: there's always some clown who goes, this is going to

1248
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: change everything. This is going to lose jobs. Next thing

1249
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: the robots are going to and so it goes, and

1250
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: inevitably what happens is somewhere in the middle we kind

1251
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: of land. There's good, there's bad, and there's a little

1252
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 2: bit of manner everything else. Let's do some politics. Politics Wednesday,

1253
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 2: Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, whether it's after the news. We'll

1254
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 2: get the update on Wiro because he's the Minister in

1255
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 2: charge of Civil Defense and all that sort of thing.

1256
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of stuff to cover off

1257
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 2: in the world. The politics as Parliament resumed after its summer.

1258
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 2: I think it was that three week break anyway. Politics Wednesday,

1259
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: after the News, which is next here of news talks edby.

1260
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Your trusted source for news and views, The Mike Hosking

1261
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: Breakfast with Alvida Live, The Age You Feel. News talks

1262
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: edby Yes.

1263
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 4: I really when he missed it up again Now I'm

1264
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: a baby's goner and the Torso when Jesse.

1265
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 2: Tosty Sons, who was trying to remember SoftBank CEO AI

1266
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 2: that is ten thousand times smarter than humans going to

1267
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: be here in ten years. I mean, that's it you.

1268
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: He's right. This, by the way, is posting post Malone.

1269
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: He's he's hoked up with Blake Shelton. Listen to this.

1270
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 2: Just keeping weding Jones is a general post. He makes

1271
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: a past his prime. Shelton looked so good. Part of

1272
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: the moment posted because he hooked up with Morgan Wallen.

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01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: I had some help. That's the top song in America

1274
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: for the sixth week running. This song comes from his album,

1275
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: which is yet to be out August sixteenth. If one

1276
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: Trillion is the name, there are eighteen tracks on that.

1277
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: It is eight minutes past eight time for politics Wednesday,

1278
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson both whether it's good morning, good morning,

1279
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike, Mark, you're on the move. Talk to

1280
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: me about what you know about hawks Bay, Wiro, et cetera.

1281
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 20: I know that we're in a local state of emergency

1282
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 20: and Hawk's Bay that is very isolated to one to me,

1283
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 20: the same with Laura in Lisbone. What's been speak to

1284
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 20: the MEAs throughout the morning on my way up there.

1285
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 20: Now you know they they can't catch a break. Obviously,

1286
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 20: the focus light how I was dealing with the flooding

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Speaker 20: and making sure that everyone's safe. But I've also got

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Speaker 20: the recovery TOLLI as well, so I'll be looking at

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Speaker 20: what we need to do to immediately get in and

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Speaker 20: help them each other.

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Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, Jinny, I'm back in Parliament yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Do you have too many breaks?

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Speaker 21: Do you reckon too many breaks?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: The past, this parliament station, it's the first one. We

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Speaker 22: don't say so, but it does seem like we're not

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Speaker 22: there for a lot, and particularly post budgets, like we

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Speaker 22: want more time in the ho to ask questions at

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Speaker 22: Minniester's part budget and we've yet three question times been

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Speaker 22: the sort of two to.

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Speaker 14: May seven weeks.

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Speaker 22: We've got three weeks off, one week on, three weeks off,

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Speaker 22: So it does seem like a lot this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and see I'm missing and I like a good

1305
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: question time, as you well know. And I'm sort of

1306
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: sudden this week after week of no question time. These

1307
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 2: mark is that the cracks appearing agree to disagree. We

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Speaker 2: got cracks in the coalition already.

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Speaker 20: No, No, it was a very good coalition agreement that

1310
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Speaker 20: was put together obviously did for the Prime Minister, and

1311
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 20: it was because there are going to be things at

1312
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 20: parties bot agree on that you can do that and

1313
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 20: they're not way and so through strong coalition, I think everyone,

1314
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 20: all the officers are enjoyed working inside it and we're

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Speaker 20: getting things done. And in terms of the House sitting,

1316
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Speaker 20: I mean we've had a massive program that we're actually delivering.

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Speaker 20: We've just come through a scrutiny. We we're the Minister's

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Speaker 20: paid front more scrutiny than they've ei ahead, which is

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Speaker 20: an important thing because the opposition do have a job

1320
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Speaker 20: still in terms of holding the government to account.

1321
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Speaker 12: But look we've got.

1322
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 20: A massive less seat of program and we get in.

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Speaker 20: We're pushing it through, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, how many agree to disagrees need to be triggered

1325
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Speaker 2: before people can go. I think something's gone wrong here.

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Speaker 22: That's the proofs and there putting I suppose, and I

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01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 22: mean everyone I think is watching for when when it's

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Speaker 22: no longer the Deputy Prime Minister. I think that's kind

1329
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Speaker 22: of a critical time that people will think if there

1330
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Speaker 22: are some cracks there, if he starts chucking the toys,

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Speaker 22: that'll be when you see it.

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Speaker 2: So that'll be halfway.

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Speaker 21: Well, I think he's got less investment, like if you've

1334
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Speaker 21: in me now and you're right, But you know, I

1335
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 21: think that's that's kind of the area that people watching

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 21: to see as once he steps back from that role

1337
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 21: and they would see more steps up to see how

1338
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Speaker 21: that relationship continues.

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Speaker 2: I am being fastious Mike when I ask you about that.

1340
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Speaker 2: It does seem like a mature thing, and I think

1341
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Speaker 2: luxe and deserves an element of credit in putting that

1342
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Speaker 2: in there in the first place. So because you're not

1343
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Speaker 2: going to agree on a whole bunch of stuff, are.

1344
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Speaker 20: You, you're not, And that's you know, and that's normal

1345
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 20: than any part of life. But the reality is this

1346
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 20: is that every one of those parties, all of us,

1347
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 20: realize what a parlor state their country are in. And

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01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 20: we have to be united and we have to be

1349
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Speaker 20: a strong government that is focused on delivering and that's

1350
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Speaker 20: accepting what we're doing.

1351
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Speaker 2: Jinny, have you heard of Operation Yaka?

1352
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Speaker 17: No?

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Speaker 2: I can't say, head right, So Operation Yaker. This was

1354
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 2: just once again the boot camps and stuff like that,

1355
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Speaker 2: and people I think you would be in this camp

1356
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: that say, you know, there's no evidence that it works.

1357
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Speaker 2: Operation Yak is a thing in Australia. They claim a

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Speaker 2: ninety percent success right. In other words, there are groups

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01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: out there that do work with troubled young people that

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: do have levels of success. So the broad based question is,

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Speaker 2: given what we've been doing doesn't work, and the crime

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Speaker 2: rate is where it is, why wouldn't you want to

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Speaker 2: try something different?

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Speaker 22: Well, I'd argue that the dropping ram Raids, they went

1365
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Speaker 22: from one hundred and nineteen a month from the August

1366
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Speaker 22: before I was ministered down to I think you're around

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Speaker 22: to less than twenty a month now. That hardcore group

1368
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Speaker 22: of repeat youth offenders who went through the programs we had,

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Speaker 22: which was a full wrap around program, about eighty six

1370
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Speaker 22: percent of them did not reoffend. And I think that

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Speaker 22: dropping ram Raids is because those programs work, and Karen

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Speaker 22: Shaw had said they work, and they've picked them up

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Speaker 22: and continued those programs. So it'll be really interesting to

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Speaker 22: see what these boot camps actually look like, because they're

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Speaker 22: more looking less boot camping and more like what we're

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Speaker 22: already doing as the detail Newton.

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Speaker 20: But sorry, marke Cary, just very quickly on there, I said,

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Speaker 20: right for the start, I mean, you know, putting in

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Speaker 20: like ballards and fokin as. It's fine. It gives that

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Speaker 20: shopkeepers a bit more security in and you know, on

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Speaker 20: the margins they do work. However, I did stay at

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Speaker 20: the time that all they do is they'll pivot and

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Speaker 20: they'll change your technics. And that's what they've done. They've

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Speaker 20: looked to aggravated robberies. You could argue that that's even worse.

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Speaker 20: We saw the awful situation unfold in Pepper Tootoe who

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Speaker 20: visited the family the other day, And by the way,

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Speaker 20: I just have to say that you know, if each

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Speaker 20: son Sonny hadn't stepped forward to defender's father, then we

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01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 20: probably would have indented had a fatality, and he certainly

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Speaker 20: felt that he was going to be killed. And for

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Speaker 20: anyone that thinks that these the Toppy and defenders aren't

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Speaker 20: violent and doesn't need to be taken off our streets

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Speaker 20: and out of the community, just instid of this. The

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Speaker 20: offenders for the attack followed him into the shop and

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Speaker 20: continued to strike him on the head with the hammer.

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Speaker 20: And by the way, a full shout out to his

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Speaker 20: amazing wife who also showed extraordinary courage and trying to

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Speaker 20: defend her husband. But this has to stop, and to

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Speaker 20: stop it, we're going to take those worst violent resider

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Speaker 20: US youth offenders. We're going to take them out of

1401
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 20: the community, and we got to invest in them through

1402
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 20: this Youth Military get and we're going to try and

1403
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 20: give them the best fighting charts and make good decisions

1404
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 20: when they come out instead of continuing to make decisions

1405
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 20: that who at their communities prey.

1406
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Speaker 2: Break more at the moment, Mark Mentell, Jinny Anderson, thirteen

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Speaker 2: past the make Hosking Breakfast me sixteen past eight Jenny Anderson,

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Speaker 2: Mark Mentell, Jenny, A couple of things for you. The

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01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 2: employment changes that are come in for job seecret and

1410
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: you've got to go in and have a meeting and

1411
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: go to a conference and all that, and I get

1412
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: you probably don't like it, but part of what that

1413
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 2: came out of was the number of people who are

1414
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: on Job Seeker who don't have case managers. How can

1415
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: you justify well and excess of one hundred thousand people

1416
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 2: who don't have a case manager.

1417
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 22: Well, I have no problem with people turning up and

1418
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 22: checking in, but what's the point of it? As kind

1419
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 22: of like concerned going to a driver's license, give them

1420
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 22: some on the job training, but just just sitting in

1421
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 22: a hall and checking in and having a seminar.

1422
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 2: As it may. These people didn't have case managers. Why

1423
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: do so many people not have case managers? They were

1424
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: just left to drift.

1425
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 16: Well, they should have.

1426
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Speaker 22: Case managers in place. Maybe they haven't had seven hundred

1427
01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 22: job jobs cut out at NESD they might have it.

1428
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, this was Jenny, This was under you,

1429
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: under your government. They didn't have case managers. One hundred

1430
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: thousand plus people didn't have a case manager. They just

1431
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: hopped on job secret and everyone forgot about them.

1432
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 22: Well, that needs to be rectified. But having a seminar

1433
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 22: where they get some information and walk away again, and

1434
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 22: then if they don't turn up to the seminar they

1435
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 22: get kicked off, the kicked off the unemployment benefit. I

1436
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 22: just don't see how that's going to work. What does

1437
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 22: work is what we did, which gave on the job training,

1438
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 22: which gave driver's licenses, that gave people real skills that

1439
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 22: made them more employable. And what this does is absolutely nothing.

1440
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 2: Do you know what literally happens, Mark, because I've received

1441
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: a couple of texts that say, basically, you turn up

1442
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: and they tell you to go to trade me and

1443
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: have a look for jobs, and that's their advice for

1444
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: the day.

1445
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 20: No, I think no. I think Louise Upset is bringing

1446
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 20: a real focus on to making sure there is proper

1447
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 20: support and this accountability. There's a social contract that exists

1448
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 20: with us as a country whereas we have a very

1449
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 20: good social welfare network and service and to help people,

1450
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 20: you know, get get up, give the hand up. But

1451
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 20: the reality is this bot is that there is responsibility

1452
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 20: on the other side as well to try and get

1453
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 20: yourself job ready, to try and have an honesty effort

1454
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 20: actually finding the job and getting getting into employment. And

1455
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 20: I think that's really important, and that's what Luis is doing.

1456
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 20: Might just really really quickly just want to finish what

1457
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 20: I was saying about the crime. What I was saying

1458
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 20: is this, we've got a deal. If you want to

1459
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 20: reduce the rain roads and negavated robbies, we actually have

1460
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 20: to deal with the offending and not put mand aids

1461
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 20: on it. And that is what we're focused on doing,

1462
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 20: is actually getting.

1463
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Speaker 16: In your people.

1464
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 22: Your boot camp's got take places for teen people in it.

1465
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 22: I think you just builded up loud.

1466
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 20: The problems so that's the partote And the problem that

1467
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 20: you've got is that you've never understood, is that on

1468
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 20: the fringes that the offenders that you know, a lot

1469
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 20: of the eighty percent of the youth offenders, you can

1470
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 20: actually deal with. You can put a program around them,

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Speaker 20: you can actually deal with them in the community. It's

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Speaker 20: it's the fifteen it's the ten to fifteen percent that

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 20: are the toughest, most facidivious violent offenders. Those are the

1474
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 20: ones that we're targeting, and those are the ones that

1475
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 20: we're responsible for most of these aggravated robberies that you

1476
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 20: see that it's got a huge human costly Other.

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Speaker 2: Thing for you, Jenny, the poll last night, it seems

1478
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 2: to me that although you in a campaign go for

1479
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 2: as many votes as you can and you want to

1480
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 2: run the country by yourself and all that sort of stuff,

1481
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: you're going to need the Maori Party, how do you

1482
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: sit alongside what increasingly looks to me like a bunch

1483
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,520
Speaker 2: of nut jobs.

1484
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Speaker 16: You often.

1485
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: Gooddis but it seems more real. I mean, I get

1486
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: it with the Greens. The Greens are crazy as well,

1487
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: but you can you can coalesce with them, and we've

1488
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 2: got to trade record the Maori Party want their own parliament,

1489
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: their own country, Tena rang Atira tongue and never the

1490
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: Twains you'll meet and you've somehow got to put that

1491
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,719
Speaker 2: together as a deal.

1492
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 22: Well, we don't support having things like a completely separate

1493
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 22: from Mali parliament. There are some things we could stay

1494
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 22: quite clearly we don't support. What we continue to do

1495
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 22: is make a case for Art for being the next

1496
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 22: government and pointing out some of the massive mistakes this

1497
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Speaker 22: government has r I.

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Speaker 2: Get you, but what are you going to do Because

1499
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 2: it's going to it's going to be real and unless

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Speaker 2: you somehow get to a point where you and the

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Speaker 2: Greens are the clear leaders and you can two party it,

1502
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 2: you're going to need to three party it. And they

1503
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: are the sort of crazies who are going to go,

1504
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: we don't want anything to do with you, and that's

1505
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,599
Speaker 2: going to hobble your ambitions in the election campaign.

1506
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 22: Well, i'd come out. I'd say that Winston's come out

1507
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 22: and said some pretty nutty stuff over the last six months.

1508
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 22: You know, he talked about the KKK and things like that.

1509
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 21: So all political parties have.

1510
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 22: The moments of of stupid stuff and that's what that's

1511
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 22: what politics is about you make sure that you make

1512
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 22: a case. But labor works incredibly hard to make sure we.

1513
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 21: Put forward real alternatives.

1514
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 22: To what this government is making an absolute meat out of.

1515
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 22: I mean this cancer drugs A loan has hurt so

1516
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 22: many key weeks in terms.

1517
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 21: Of broken promises, and people are being.

1518
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 22: Tired and tired of national promising.

1519
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 21: So you'rebating and affects.

1520
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 22: And it's absolutely not working.

1521
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 20: So you're comparing white Winston Peters to the very party wins.

1522
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 22: That was some pretty nice start.

1523
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 20: And let me give you a Let me give you

1524
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 20: a contrast between Winston Peter's the last labor for him and.

1525
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 22: It sounds like at okay, where we go.

1526
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 20: Well, you've just both and you know, just rambled on

1527
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 20: for five minutes, give me a couple of minutes.

1528
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 21: So every day I just that.

1529
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 20: So basically, Mike, I just came back from Switzerland with

1530
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 20: Russian crape thing. And I can tell you how Wantston

1531
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 20: Peters is highly respected on the world stage. He is

1532
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 20: a statesman, he is one of our most experienced political leaders.

1533
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 20: He doesn't spout the sort of nonsense and rubbish that

1534
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 20: you're talking about, and he's been out there actually re

1535
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 20: establishing us on the world stage, which is critically important

1536
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 20: because under the Labor government they completely failed to do that. So,

1537
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 20: you know, I think trying to compare Winston Peters to

1538
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 20: Party Marry most people in your own decision on that,

1539
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 20: but one thing I will say, you'll probably need a

1540
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 20: breeder disagree doors. It has to be a whopping, great

1541
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 20: big one because I don't think the Party Mary Party

1542
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 20: going to leave you off the hook with some of

1543
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 20: the changes they want to make.

1544
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 2: Good to see both of you, and good luck and

1545
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,719
Speaker 2: Wirou Markel or the Hawks Bay in general, Mark Mitchell,

1546
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson back next Wednesday, eight twenty.

1547
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: Two My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate news dog zvy.

1548
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: Oh twenty five. A little bit concerned about Sinlay. We've

1549
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 2: had them on the program a number of times. The

1550
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: Cinley story. Dairy New Zealand economy, a lot of money

1551
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: coming in. They've got a world of trouble. They're going

1552
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 2: to have a special meeting of shareholders to approve one

1553
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollar loan. Where's the loan come from?

1554
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 2: Bright Dairy? Who are Bright Dairy? Chinese company that owned

1555
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,759
Speaker 2: a chunk of the company they own from memory thirty

1556
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 2: nine percent. They can't vote, by the way, so they

1557
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: wanted to get rid of their dairy works business. Failed

1558
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 2: to find a buyer. They're reviewing a possible sale of

1559
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: its Other North Island plants needed to find one hundred

1560
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 2: and eighty million to pay a retail bond due in December.

1561
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: Don't have one hundred and eighty million, may need to

1562
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 2: cease trading or initiate a formal insolvency process. You get

1563
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 2: a lot of farmers who you know, give milk to

1564
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: these people. Bright Dairy with their state can't vote, as

1565
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: I say, second largest shareholder A two. They got a

1566
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: twenty percent stake there. That's a story in it. So

1567
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: they're not saying which way they're going to vote. So

1568
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 2: if they don't vote the right way, things look problematic,

1569
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 2: and they're already looking problematic. So it's the last sort

1570
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 2: of thing we need, unfortunately in the dairy market in

1571
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: this particular country. On the lighter side or the better

1572
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: side of the more positive side of farming life, I

1573
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 2: can tell you that Gerald, who's the one of the

1574
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 2: stars of Clarkson's Farm, and if you're watching the season three,

1575
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 2: will have watched season three of Clarkson's Farm. You will

1576
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: have noticed he was missing in the first part of

1577
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 2: the season because he was being treated of a prostate cancer,

1578
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: underwent some surgery and there's a lovely scene actually when

1579
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 2: Jeremy's just driving along talking about to the camera is

1580
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: something completely different. And then suddenly he sees a guy

1581
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 2: who's back at the fence. Because Gerald's a fencer, the

1582
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 2: old stone fences, the old skills. You don't see the

1583
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 2: old skills anymore anyway, Gerald suddenly back bang and the

1584
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 2: emotion in Jeremy. It really was a very moving scene. Anyway,

1585
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 2: he's announced overnight he's completely cancer free, and you do

1586
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: want it to look at Gerald. He drinks or did

1587
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 2: drink like a fish, and he doesn't look the healthiest

1588
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 2: specimen you've ever seen. He's seventy four, but he got

1589
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 2: the prostate cancer and now he's cancer free, so that's

1590
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: very good news, indeed news. In a couple of moments,

1591
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: the flight track of which the Australian media are all over,

1592
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 2: has Assage currently over Thailand heading for Saipan, next stop

1593
01:14:12,280 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 2: home in Australia, setting.

1594
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 1: The news agenda and digging into the issues the mic

1595
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar the art of Performance news Tog said,

1596
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: b where all.

1597
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: The labor MPs, MIC and former ministers administered with some

1598
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 2: form of memory clearing drug post the election loss. I

1599
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: can't comprehend how thick their hides are. I thought I

1600
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: was resilient, but man, I got nothing on them. It's

1601
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: incredible we destroyed a country and now we have no

1602
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 2: memory of that at all. It's not a bad point.

1603
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: I thought about it, mind you, Chris Hopkins yesterday when

1604
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: the trigger thing got pulled by Winston Peters and they

1605
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 2: went to Chris Hipkins about it. He goes, who does

1606
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 2: he want to run the inquiry? Li's gun? And I thought,

1607
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: good burn. Excellent burn for a man not known for

1608
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: a sense of humor. Nice burn. Twenty three minutes away.

1609
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: From nine International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace

1610
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: of Mind, a New Zealand business.

1611
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: Right in Australia. From morning to you, Stephen, Very good

1612
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: morning flight. Trekker assigns his plan has just landed in Saipaned,

1613
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 2: so he'll sign the paperwork and then presumably home to Australia.

1614
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: How big a deal is this? The biggest of big deals?

1615
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 2: In Australia over the last twenty four hours.

1616
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,639
Speaker 11: Well, people seem to think it is. I mean, I'm

1617
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 11: sort of betwixt in between with a sand because excuse me. Remember,

1618
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 11: you know, not everyone supports the fact of what he did.

1619
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 11: I mean, the Wikiliks papers that were released. You remember, well,

1620
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 11: the vision of the American attack on the car in

1621
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 11: Afghanistan where civilians died, all of those things. I mean

1622
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 11: a lot of that material and we'll never know was

1623
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 11: published and what was the impact on people who were

1624
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,839
Speaker 11: working for intelligence services around the world when it was published.

1625
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 11: So I am a little bit confused. But the certainly

1626
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 11: the Labor government, the current from ministrants. Now Benezi is

1627
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 11: very excited that he's managed to massage Joe Biden as

1628
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 11: well as anyone can mass Joe Biden into making this decision. Eventually,

1629
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 11: Sun spent last night in bang Kok. You would have

1630
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 11: saw seen the pictures yesterday of him emerging from Bellmarsh Prison.

1631
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 11: He got in that black van that he flew on

1632
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 11: a private jet to bang Kok, presumably this taxpayers paying

1633
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 11: for that. On board that jet was Stephen Smith, who's

1634
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 11: the UK High Commissioner, former Labor Foreign Minister under a

1635
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 11: Rudd Gillard government speaking of my friend Kevin. Apparently Kevin

1636
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 11: was very active in behind the scenes in Washington to

1637
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 11: make sure that the Sune got out. I mean, the

1638
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 11: thing you have to say is the bloke certainly wasn't

1639
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 11: for turning. I mean, when you think about all those

1640
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 11: times we saw him emerge from his little bunker in

1641
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,759
Speaker 11: the Ecuador embassy and then he was in Belmarsh Prison

1642
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 11: for two thousand days, it's been a long campaign by

1643
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 11: a lot of people to get him out. And I

1644
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 11: presume he's going to deal with someone to tell this

1645
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 11: incredible show.

1646
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,840
Speaker 2: We'll hold on here because we have laws in this

1647
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 2: and I thought, and this goes back to the Chappelle

1648
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,639
Speaker 2: Corby case. He's there to sign a bit of paper

1649
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 2: that says he's a convicted felon. He's pleading guilty. Don't

1650
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: you have laws that say you cannot make money out

1651
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: of criminal activity?

1652
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 16: We do.

1653
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,720
Speaker 11: There would be a long debate about whether he's committed. Yes,

1654
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 11: the reason he's pleading and pleading guilty is because he

1655
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 11: wants to get back to Australia and back out of jail,

1656
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 11: So there would be a debate about that. But as

1657
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 11: we've seen in the past. Plenty of people who have

1658
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 11: made money out of criminal activity have been paid to

1659
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 11: tell their story. The money just appears in an odd

1660
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,759
Speaker 11: form somewhere via.

1661
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 20: Someone else where.

1662
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 2: Politically, does it sit with elbow? Is he a hero

1663
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 2: for doing this or there's no political impact whatsoever.

1664
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 11: The Prime Minister will see it he's been able to

1665
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 11: secure his assad's release, whereas ten years of the coalition

1666
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 11: government didn't do anything at all. And so look, it's

1667
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 11: seen as bipartisan. But Anthony Albertezi will certainly treat us

1668
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 11: as a homecoming hero. And that's where albanies he needs

1669
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,719
Speaker 11: to be a little cautious because not everyone in Australia

1670
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 11: is that way.

1671
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: No, Because I mean, I'm assuming everyone hasn't forgotten the

1672
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 2: fact that a lot of the paperwork ended up in

1673
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 2: Russia and his old mate Edward Snowden still in Russia.

1674
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 2: And you've got to answer a few of those questions,

1675
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 2: don't you.

1676
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,840
Speaker 11: You do indeed, and I think the majority of Australians

1677
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 11: will have a glance at the fact that this gray

1678
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 11: haired man's back in the country and then they'll get on,

1679
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 11: we're trying to pay their mortgageory.

1680
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, A very good point, Indie Ia. Have we any

1681
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 2: closer on reforms yet or not?

1682
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 11: Well? The only reason I bring this up is because

1683
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 11: I know how much you love it. The Minister Bill

1684
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 11: short And is trying to get this new legislation through

1685
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 11: to reform the way the NDIS pays out money. Now,

1686
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 11: the coalition of the Greens wanted to tolay this until after

1687
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 11: the parliamentary break, but Shorten came out yesterday and he

1688
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 11: went to town on some of the things that are happening.

1689
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 11: He said, the NDIS has to be reserved for disappitability

1690
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 11: related support. Currently. These are quotes from our friend Bill Currently,

1691
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 11: ndos dollars are going to wait for it, crystal therapy,

1692
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 11: bariatric surgery, which are presentzos, bands that make you not

1693
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 11: a rent washing machines, bird seed and tickets to Wet

1694
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 11: and Wild.

1695
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 10: There you go.

1696
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: What a cool system you got going? Eh, A billion

1697
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: dollars bird seed system.

1698
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 11: There's one more you love this quote for mister Shorton.

1699
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 11: We have organizations even promoting cuddle therapy to NDS participants.

1700
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 2: Lucky you've got so much money you can afford to

1701
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: do that sort of thing. Ain't speaking of money? How

1702
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: is it anyone's justifying the sort of level of increase

1703
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 2: in pay. Has it got something to do with the

1704
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: current blokeer's in the military or had a military set,

1705
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 2: whatever it may be. I mean, this is hundreds of

1706
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars for the GG.

1707
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 11: Yeah. You know a governor general who by the way,

1708
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 11: is an about Republican and a member of the Republican

1709
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 11: movement serving as governor general to King Charles third, Explain

1710
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 11: that to me if you can. I can't explain it.

1711
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 11: And a Prime Minister of the country is also a

1712
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 11: Republican Sam Moston female ex AFL commissioner lawyer. She's going

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Speaker 11: to be paid seven hundred and nine thousand dollars a

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Speaker 11: year tax free, up from four hundred and five of

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Speaker 11: the previous governor general. She'll be, of course, living in

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Speaker 11: two houses, won the magnificent Admiral Tea house on Sydney Harbor,

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Speaker 11: the other one in Canberra. And we're in the middle

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Speaker 11: of a cost of living crisis. I mean, that is

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01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 11: just such a bad look. And Anthony Albanize is the

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01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 11: bolk who was a captain's peak. He chose her and

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Speaker 11: he's ticked off on the painting Cress it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Hey, quick insight into the media. I note that Seven's

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01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: laid off one hundred and something people and nine to

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01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: seven in news corporate in front of a committee the

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01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 2: other day about the whole Google meta stealing stuff, et cetera,

1726
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: et cetera. How much trouble broadly is the media in

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01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 2: an Australia jobs and revenue wise.

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Speaker 11: Met her has created big problems for the freeware TV networks.

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01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 11: Seven in particular, Seven realizes for ninety percent of its

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01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,560
Speaker 11: revenue to come from television advertising because they've been the

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01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 11: number one network for so long. Nine's obviously in better

1732
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 11: shape because it has as well as the freeware television.

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01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 11: It's got to stand the streaming service, and it owns

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01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 11: the City Morning Herald and the Age newspapers, which are

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01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 11: not doing too bad online. Channel ten well, I work

1736
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 11: at Channel ten. So the less said about that, the better.

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01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 11: They're all in big trouble to meet. Free to air

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01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 11: television in this country is on a downward spiral and

1739
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,599
Speaker 11: unless you diversify with the assets, you are and you're

1740
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 11: in big trouble.

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01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: And is the deal going? And the reason I'm asking

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01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 2: all this is where we may be looking to do

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01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 2: a deal. Maybe we're not, but we look to a

1744
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 2: country like you who did have a deal and that

1745
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 2: deal's expiring, etc. Is something going to come of it?

1746
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 2: Or are the big text just going to walk?

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01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 11: I think they'll just walk, I mean Seven. Interestingly, the

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01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 11: small I mean said that the redundancies that you mentioned

1749
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 11: were all due entirely to the fact that Meta is

1750
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 11: no longer paying for news on its site. So seven said, well,

1751
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 11: if we don't have matter, we can't have all these people.

1752
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,600
Speaker 11: It was a decision made by the new CEO, and

1753
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 11: now those people don't ever job.

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01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, might see you next week. Appreciate it.

1755
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 2: Steve Price out of Australia, Mondays and Wednesday's eight forty five.

1756
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: Already the host racers mentioned sin Lay earlier twelve to nine.

1757
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 2: By the way, but I'm reading that the olive oil

1758
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 2: is not the greatest some parts of the country. It's

1759
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 2: fine Northern Way, Heckey, Auckland, Capodi, good production. They're still pressing.

1760
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 2: We're in the middle of the season. Others around the

1761
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 2: country the season's over. Wire Rapper Nelson Marlborough, Canterbury pressing

1762
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: a third few olives than the last season. That season

1763
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,639
Speaker 2: was the third down on the one before. So times

1764
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 2: in certain parts of the country really tight, Central O

1765
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: Tiger had frosts. Am I correct and saying I be

1766
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: Are you starting to stretch olives in that particular part

1767
01:22:57,400 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: of the world, as beautiful as it is in some

1768
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 2: of very drivery hot, very Mediterranean in winter, you've got

1769
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: a whole different story. Anyway, Normally, if you're producing somewhere

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01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: between forty and fifty thousand liters, it's down to thirty

1771
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: and you just bird strikes another issue, by the way,

1772
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: you just can't make money on that. And part of

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: the problem is, well it's twofold one. You can't make

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01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: money on that. But to the other thing, was well

1775
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 2: aware that internationally olives are a problem. The olive oil

1776
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 2: price has gone through the roof. We don't produce enough

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 2: in this country to satisfy a demand. Therefore, there was

1778
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: a hope that if we had a really good season,

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01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: we could step in for the international market or at

1780
01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 2: least saturate the New Zealand market with more of the

1781
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 2: local product. And being a fan of the local market,

1782
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: if you get your hands on I know it tends

1783
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: to be a bit more artist and a bit more expensive,

1784
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: but my god, if you've not tasted high quality local

1785
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: olive oil, then you haven't lived. And some of that

1786
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 2: cheap stuff, even the extraversion stuff that comes out of

1787
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: place like Spain. I mean, you know, one bright spot

1788
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 2: flavors back this year after several wet years, a little

1789
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 2: bit drier, and the good parts of the cut North

1790
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: and WAYHACKI York and most sort the places had a

1791
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: fantastic summer. So the fruit flavor, the taste is absolutely fantastic.

1792
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 2: So if you can get your hands on some good

1793
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 2: local olive oil, one, not only are you helping the

1794
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 2: local economy, but you'll blow your mind in terms of

1795
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 2: just sheer quality and bang for buck.

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Speaker 1: Ten to nine, the Mic Hosking breakfast with our Fader

1797
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Speaker 1: News talk said, you.

1798
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Speaker 2: Pasking Interisting the other day is telling about all those

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Speaker 2: millionaires who are fleeing Britain, and they're fleeing places like China,

1821
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,280
Speaker 2: and indeed they're fleeing New Zealand. And the question was

1822
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: where do they all go will. The UAE is the

1823
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Speaker 2: top country in the world along with the United States,

1824
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 2: and Germany was the other one which surprised me. But nevertheless,

1825
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,680
Speaker 2: Germany seems to be a repository for mobile millionaires, and

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01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 2: we need to be a country alongside those countries that

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01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: actually attracts people into this country because millionaires tend to

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01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: be reasonably bright, reasonably successful and want to contribute to

1829
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 2: the economy. But I note with interest. Overnight it's called

1830
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 2: the chanson cart or the opportunity card. They're launching a

1831
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 2: new visa non EU nationals. This is Germany non EU

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01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,799
Speaker 2: nationals from the first June. A new points based system,

1833
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 2: specific criteria, academic qualifications, language skills, and past professional experience.

1834
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: They need more bright people. You can go there for

1835
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 2: up to a year while looking for work, rather than

1836
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 2: requiring an employer to sponsor you in. It allows people

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01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: legally work part time as well while searching for something

1838
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 2: more permanent. This is a big, big shift in the

1839
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 2: way Germany does business. They've got a growing labor shortage.

1840
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: See everywhere around the world you look, I reckon just

1841
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 2: COVID killed the labor market globally. Basically, a lot of

1842
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,919
Speaker 2: people for whatever reason, decided I'm better off on a benefit,

1843
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm better off on a pension. I'm better off doing nothing.

1844
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 2: I might retire. Really, that's the end of me. Even Germany.

1845
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 2: So they're looking specifically for professional workers in medicine, education,

1846
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: manufacturing and engineering. And so if you've ever fancied Germany,

1847
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: there's an opportunity. It's much more than a digital nomad thing.

1848
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: Five minutes away from nine.

1849
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Speaker 1: Trending now hum as well your home of Winter ascential.

1850
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: Jordan Klepper, he works for the Daily Show, so he

1851
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 2: goes to all the political rallies. Right, he went along

1852
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: to the rally of Trump in Milwaukee or Milwaukee the

1853
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: other day to ask atin to some questions in what

1854
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: was the first rally after of course Trump's conviction.

1855
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: That was a kangaroo Trialmph, this is absolute stalinism.

1856
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 23: So do you have faith in the Department of Justice? No,

1857
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 23: Hunter Biden was found guilty. Yes, what do you think

1858
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 23: of that?

1859
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: Well, that was the evidence was overwhelming.

1860
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 23: You take the evidence, you put it through the justice system,

1861
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 23: and he's found guilty. We should accept that. Yes, Wait

1862
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 23: a minute, hold on, but I thought the justice system

1863
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:35,919
Speaker 23: was rigged. We shouldn't trust it.

1864
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't taking place in a had a community that voted.

1865
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 23: But the judge was a Trump appointed judge. Was he

1866
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 23: Trump goes to trial for sexual assault?

1867
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 2: How much you give it? What is that?

1868
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 11: Is that?

1869
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Oh?

1870
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 7: Probably one thousand dollars?

1871
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: A thousand bucks for that?

1872
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:50,639
Speaker 23: Okay, classified docs, I'm not.

1873
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 13: Sure you give it another thousand?

1874
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 23: Okay, so a thousand across the board?

1875
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

1876
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 23: To overthrow democracy?

1877
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: That biggie?

1878
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 11: Is that?

1879
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 20: Is that a two grand?

1880
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 13: That's probably five grand? Well, okay, basically, we just need

1881
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 13: to save our country from the border. Serge, you don't

1882
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 13: need to be shelling out money to give immigrants who

1883
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 13: don't deserve it.

1884
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 23: You're second tired of your money going to people who

1885
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 23: committed crimes.

1886
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 7: That's right?

1887
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 23: Yeah, did you donate?

1888
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 11: Yes?

1889
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 2: Fishing a barrel? Fishing a barrel, fishing a barrel. I'm

1890
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: sort of worried. I guess we'll talk about it tomorrow

1891
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 2: because we're not here on Friday, but Friday's debate day.

1892
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: And first of all, how many people you reckon will watch?

1893
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: Will that be the biggest thing in American television by

1894
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: so far? It doesn't matter for the year. Probably the

1895
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 2: rules will it contain people to a point? What do

1896
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 2: you want out of a debate? Do you want to

1897
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 2: learn something or do you want to you want gloves off?

1898
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,599
Speaker 2: And will the rules prevent clubs off? And they've got

1899
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: two commercial breaks in there too, which was the weirdest

1900
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 2: thing of all. But nevertheless, the MIC's go off and

1901
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: there's no back and forward, and I just wonder if

1902
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 2: they've not just killed it. But it'll be interesting to

1903
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: see that. That's Friday. We've got to deal with tomorrow,

1904
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,879
Speaker 2: and tomorrow by my reckoning this Thursday. But as always,

1905
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 2: no matter what day it is, will begin proceedings at

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 2: six o'clock, So look forward to your company Happy Days.

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