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Speaker 2: Koto and welcome to Inside Netbol.
Speaker 3: Today we wrap another weekend of the ain Zed Premiership
Speaker 3: and with only four rounds to go until finals, Nettie,
Speaker 3: we'll check the teams we think are putting their hands up.
Speaker 3: But plus we have former Silver Fern and Fox Sport
Speaker 3: commentator Katrina at Lord join us for her thoughts on
Speaker 3: what she thinks is happening on both sides of the
Speaker 3: Tasman But first, ladies, another round. We had a blowout,
Speaker 3: we had a convincing win and one ugly disjointed game
Speaker 3: that we did a dean. Things should really be starting
Speaker 3: to look better by now as we head into the
Speaker 3: latter half of the competition. Adan, thank god for the tactics.
Speaker 3: They are starting to play some great netball. And you
Speaker 3: know what I'm loving the most is the team talks
Speaker 3: and we're getting to hear Donna speak. I think, I mean,
Speaker 3: I always knew how smart she was, how tactical she was,
Speaker 3: and now people are getting to see that in that
Speaker 3: coaching role and even my husband happened to be sitting
Speaker 3: there watching a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's like, that is so good. Like Eve been interacting
Speaker 2: with the umpire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, her instructions are just so on point, like I
Speaker 3: just and so it does not surprise me that they're
Speaker 3: doing well because she is nailing that coaching piece. And yes,
Speaker 3: let's be honest, some people say, well, they're winning, so
Speaker 3: it makes it a little bit easy. Haven't got the
Speaker 3: struggles that poor Timmy Putter's got with losing a whole
Speaker 3: lot of people to injury.
Speaker 2: But that's what I've loved the most.
Speaker 3: I've loved watching Donna evolve in that coaching space, and
Speaker 3: I think she's a huge part of while they're seeing
Speaker 3: the top of the table gen.
Speaker 4: Yes, the thing I like seeing Tia Winny Kenny get
Speaker 4: angry the other night.
Speaker 2: Oh she got angry.
Speaker 4: She was and Cozy t o absolutely and she gave
Speaker 4: them what for. And then she turned to Catherine Hall
Speaker 4: and said, you great.
Speaker 2: Well she was doing all the work.
Speaker 4: Well she was, and it was true. But yes, I've
Speaker 4: enjoyed that. There's probably kristyfe is a standout for me.
Speaker 4: She is going so well down the Deep South. I mean,
Speaker 4: she must like the cooler temperatures.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just.
Speaker 3: Love the fact that the Tactics a team that are
Speaker 3: consistently over the last three rounds putting in good performances,
Speaker 3: and all these other teams that are sitting at the
Speaker 3: top are like even the Mystics. I mean Tactics are
Speaker 3: at the top of the table. Mystics are second. Mystics
Speaker 3: were very average in their game in the weekend. Pulse
Speaker 3: is sitting third. They were very average. So the Tactics
Speaker 3: are leading it the way at the moment. Well, time
Speaker 3: to bring in our guest for today's episode. She's played
Speaker 3: over one hundred tests for the Silver Fans, she's won
Speaker 3: a few A and Z titles for the Central Pulse
Speaker 3: and she was of course part of that famous twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen World Cup winning team. And she's now joined at
Speaker 3: the Kiwi Exodus to live in Australia with her young family.
Speaker 2: Katrina Loray, Welcome to Inside Netball.
Speaker 3: Lovely to see you now for a lot of our listeners,
Speaker 3: what have you been up to these days and how's
Speaker 3: Ossie life treating you?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: It's pretty good, as you can see. Sunshine and that
Speaker 6: crown probably my best life. Just mum life, business, life, commentary, life,
Speaker 6: all of the above. Nothing out of ordinary, but it's
Speaker 6: always a good time.
Speaker 2: How old are the kids now?
Speaker 3: If we see them on a bit of social they're
Speaker 3: really close in age too, weren't they.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly to the day, sixteen months apart. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't recommend, but now is okay. Lilybud is four and
Speaker 6: Lola will be three in September.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I reckon that would be worse probably
Speaker 4: than twins, because they'd been slightly different stages.
Speaker 6: Wells, I look back at photos and Lily Bud was
Speaker 6: still a baby when Lola was born, and I actually
Speaker 6: think I have a a bit traumatized in the first
Speaker 6: three months.
Speaker 5: But it's all good now.
Speaker 6: Honestly, it's a dream kind of maybe.
Speaker 3: So you've been living in Queensland for what eighteen months?
Speaker 3: You've been doing a bit of commentary for Fox. How
Speaker 3: are you enjoying covering the Sun Corp?
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 6: I think it is a great a great competition. I'm
Speaker 6: probably potentially the greatest competition in the world at the moment,
Speaker 6: just with how it's played with the players, the caliber
Speaker 6: of players, and the game's week in, week out, and
Speaker 6: how they're contested.
Speaker 5: Just you get to see so many different styles as well.
Speaker 6: You know, there's English, Jamaican, Ossie Keiws. It's all such
Speaker 6: a great mix. And yeah, I thoroughly enjoy it and
Speaker 6: also calling it. I got to call it with Catherin
Speaker 6: until I see the other week, which was hilarious. I
Speaker 6: didn't mess up too much thinking I was all relaxed
Speaker 6: and just having proper yarns with her.
Speaker 5: But yeah, always, yeah, it's just a good time.
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 3: I hope our listeners can hear the Aussie birds in
Speaker 3: the bag because they're really clear in our headphones. It's brilliant. Look,
Speaker 3: it's I think we agree with you. It is the best.
Speaker 2: Will I agree with you?
Speaker 3: It's the best comp in the world currently if you could.
Speaker 3: And we don't know what's going to happen next year
Speaker 3: for New Zealand, it sounds like it's going to be
Speaker 3: played here. There's not going to be any integration between
Speaker 3: the two comps next year. But if there was one
Speaker 3: or two things you could take out of the SSN
Speaker 3: that you could plug into the New Zealand comp to
Speaker 3: help improve it, what would it be?
Speaker 6: The professionalism and the money of the facilities, the back up,
Speaker 6: the recovery, the training. I think having money put behind teams,
Speaker 6: it makes such a difference in what they can do
Speaker 6: and how they can express themselves, how much more they
Speaker 6: can train, how much better they can recover. Just the facilities,
Speaker 6: All that adds up, and especially when you're talking about
Speaker 6: one percent or two percenters when it comes to an
Speaker 6: elite athlete, those are huge and I think you can
Speaker 6: see it week in week out, and it doesn't make
Speaker 6: the competition boring because everyone is so strong, you know,
Speaker 6: not a heck of a lot of injuries. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: everyone has a fight for their position as well. Over here,
Speaker 6: it's like there's no you're not guaranteed your spot, And
Speaker 6: I think that's huge over here as well.
Speaker 5: We're in New Zealand.
Speaker 6: I think there's probably not quite enough young players coming
Speaker 6: up and really pushing those older, more experienced players to
Speaker 6: really lift their game if they have to because they're
Speaker 6: worried about their spot.
Speaker 5: So yeah, just facilities, professionalism.
Speaker 4: How did you feel when you heard the news that
Speaker 4: Casey was coming out of retirement for the Giants. I mean,
Speaker 4: she's younger than you, isn't she older?
Speaker 5: Just same era, Yeah, same era, definitely. I was.
Speaker 6: I did not expect it. When I heard it, I
Speaker 6: was like, kraky, gosh, that was wasn't that chief?
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it. I was very impressed.
Speaker 6: What was it six years since she retired or something
Speaker 6: like that, banging on the.
Speaker 5: Door of forty three kids.
Speaker 6: But you know what, losing her dad mother recently and
Speaker 6: the way she is, the way she's just an absolute
Speaker 6: battler the Mongol.
Speaker 5: She has the legend that she is and.
Speaker 6: Watching her play over these past few weeks, like you
Speaker 6: cannot knock a legend down.
Speaker 5: She's impressive.
Speaker 3: Well, the Giants have won the last couple of rounds
Speaker 3: and she's obviously up against Grace with the Swifts this weekends.
Speaker 2: That'll be a doozy.
Speaker 3: But I guess if we look at the A and
Speaker 3: Z Premiership, Katraina, your old team, the Pulse, you had
Speaker 3: many successful season titles with that franchise. They've been very
Speaker 3: up and down this year, and I guess I know
Speaker 3: you haven't watched a lot, but you know you've been
Speaker 3: in that environment.
Speaker 2: When you're one of the leaders in that environment and you.
Speaker 3: Go through slumps, what's your biggest takeaways as a leader?
Speaker 3: I mean, how do you rally your troops together? Because
Speaker 3: they're there of it, just not quite there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's when I suppose their leaders have to step
Speaker 6: up and do their job first and foremost and not
Speaker 6: try and go out there and help every single other
Speaker 6: person to do their job for them or help them
Speaker 6: do their job. You do you and then try and
Speaker 6: lift everybody else around you. Well that's my take on
Speaker 6: it anyway. So those players who when I was years
Speaker 6: and years ago, who were the young ones, hopefully we've
Speaker 6: taught them enough as leaders to we now they're the
Speaker 6: leaders of how to show what you need to do
Speaker 6: and how to.
Speaker 5: Come out of the slump.
Speaker 6: Because you know how lim and talented they all are,
Speaker 6: aren't they, And as soon as they reach their top
Speaker 6: peak in their top form, I feel like the pulse
Speaker 6: would be pretty unstoppable.
Speaker 3: You're obviously a leader at some tough times yourself with
Speaker 3: the black dress on in particular, you know what was
Speaker 3: your go to when you're going through those tough moments?
Speaker 3: Is it communication with coaches? What is it that can
Speaker 3: help you get out? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I with that we say, dena is the communication with coaches.
Speaker 6: I think that's huge as a leader, that is the
Speaker 6: person that you're feeding to and feeding from as the coach, right,
Speaker 6: that's your the link between coach and players. So if
Speaker 6: that communication line is broken down, it's not gonna bode
Speaker 6: well for the rest of the team or anyone else's
Speaker 6: communication with the coach or the leader. So those are
Speaker 6: on the same page and they are communicating well and
Speaker 6: then being able to fit it down to the rest
Speaker 6: of the team and really get your game plan and
Speaker 6: communicate it how I suppose the players are going to
Speaker 6: pick it up and how they will respond to it.
Speaker 6: I feel like that should be the key Keithan going on.
Speaker 4: I just want to go back and he's already mentioned it.
Speaker 4: The game this weekend between the Swifts and the Giants,
Speaker 4: who has the more pressure on them? Is it, you know,
Speaker 4: the up and coming Grace Wiki or the legend Casey Corpoor.
Speaker 6: Oh Casey has nothing to lose, like she's come in
Speaker 6: as an impact player. She's doing her job, she's leading,
Speaker 6: while Erin O'Brien is playing some outstanding your bull having
Speaker 6: Casey and they're behind her.
Speaker 5: Swifts have it all on them. They've lost have they
Speaker 5: lost two in a row?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 6: And they are they need to win just so down
Speaker 6: on the top of the table. So I think all
Speaker 6: the pressure is on the Swifts at the moment.
Speaker 3: You talk about Erin O'Brien, Are there any players in
Speaker 3: the current crop of sun Corp that's catching your eye
Speaker 3: that are perhaps some young new ones coming through that
Speaker 3: we need to keep.
Speaker 4: Our eye on.
Speaker 6: So there's so many young ones that are coming up,
Speaker 6: and as soon as they get a bit of a
Speaker 6: taste and sniff in some caught time, they all seem
Speaker 6: to perform. But even in the Firebirds just down the
Speaker 6: road here Macy gardner w I think she's playing very
Speaker 6: very well ruby Backwudorin as well.
Speaker 5: Over the weekend.
Speaker 6: I think she got like five or six intercepts and
Speaker 6: just is an absolute rugged gold offense.
Speaker 5: Who will stay on your man.
Speaker 6: So having those two players up against potentially making the
Speaker 6: diamonds would be impressive and hard work for the Kiwis
Speaker 6: to go up against. But yeah, there's there's so much
Speaker 6: challenge around. But I'd always beg the sal Ferns to
Speaker 6: dominate no matter what.
Speaker 3: Talking about the sal Ferns, obviously there's been a bit
Speaker 3: of all a lot of chat around Grace Wiki and
Speaker 3: her availability because She's gone and played in Australia. You
Speaker 3: went and played in Australia. A slightly different circumstance. I
Speaker 3: think it was injury and you took injury covers. It
Speaker 3: was at the end of the A and Z was
Speaker 3: it right?
Speaker 2: Was it the end? Yep, you're nodding along on the
Speaker 2: up World Cup?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so Ainzen had finished.
Speaker 3: So that I mean that one amazing experience was that
Speaker 3: was does that? You know we've also been talking about
Speaker 3: do you change the timing of the competition so you
Speaker 3: can play in both? Because that's what you were able
Speaker 3: to do. You were able to go from Ain's said
Speaker 3: to sun Corp. Is that something you think there's merit
Speaker 3: in bringing the A Z forwards you could play in
Speaker 3: both comps? Or do you just want to see New
Speaker 3: Zealand teams playing over there?
Speaker 6: I think you just want to see New Zealand teams
Speaker 6: playing there. I don't think you can play A Z
Speaker 6: Premiership sun Corp and into internationals.
Speaker 5: You're going to have injuries galore. That's it.
Speaker 6: It's too heavy, it's too hard. You're going to miss
Speaker 6: a preseason somewhere. You're gonna I was fortunate enough where
Speaker 6: only went for the last I think maybe six or
Speaker 6: seven games. I only went halfway through the sun Corpse seasons.
Speaker 6: They had a break for the World Cup, so we
Speaker 6: were able to do that. I just think it's too
Speaker 6: much pressure on players to have to do that much
Speaker 6: nitball in a calendar year. So yeah, come on INZ
Speaker 6: teams over here would be.
Speaker 4: All, you look pretty fit? Could you do a Casey instead?
Speaker 4: Off somewhere now?
Speaker 6: And I tell you this, but I feel like nothing's
Speaker 6: off the cards.
Speaker 5: I did get asked to come for the Stars.
Speaker 2: Did you want an.
Speaker 5: Injury cover from Bobby?
Speaker 6: And I was like, I thought about it, but we've
Speaker 6: just kind of business is going here, got the kids.
Speaker 6: I did think about it. I missed netball. I love it,
Speaker 6: but I don't do any change of direction. I don't
Speaker 6: jump apart from trying to jump on my kids.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? Like I don't. There's none
Speaker 5: of that carry on going on.
Speaker 6: So I don't know if I could actually do what
Speaker 6: case has done.
Speaker 3: She's nextly well, so we lost you to Australia, You're
Speaker 3: going to be coming home like living in Queensland? Do
Speaker 3: you catch up with Maria? Doesn't Maria live their lawses
Speaker 3: over that side of the world. Do you catch up
Speaker 3: with the old team buddies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got our chat going with Kendy, Rhea and Laws.
Speaker 5: We've had a couple of catch ups.
Speaker 6: It's actually quite hard to put you run down at
Speaker 6: the same time, but it's we have had some catchups,
Speaker 6: and especially with Rio and Kendy. Our kids all the
Speaker 6: same age, which is awesome. You get them in a
Speaker 6: group in gosh, you just can't. They don't sit still,
Speaker 6: which is fun. So it's quite cool having you know,
Speaker 6: your New Zealand crew come and all stay within a
Speaker 6: space of forty five minutes apart from Laws is about
Speaker 6: aaron half away.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's awesome having them guys over here.
Speaker 2: We love that you're looking so fit.
Speaker 3: Next time there's an injury over here, keep an eye
Speaker 3: out for the flights back from Katrina. Al Right, we're
Speaker 3: just going to finish the segment Katrina with a fast
Speaker 3: five segment. We asked the same questions to all our guests.
Speaker 1: The Fast five on inside.
Speaker 3: First one, if you could play any other sport other
Speaker 3: than netball? What what would it have been if you
Speaker 3: could have played any other sport.
Speaker 2: Other than netball? Sevens?
Speaker 3: I reckon Seven's so she's sitting in a NRL shirt?
Speaker 3: What was and you probably still have a post game
Speaker 3: or post workout snack. What is it that you would
Speaker 3: usually go to first post or meal or meal?
Speaker 2: Snack or meal?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not see. If we had to go back
Speaker 6: to the hotel, it'd always be pizza. But if I
Speaker 6: was on my home from a Pulse game, it'd be
Speaker 6: macas for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you could invite any three athletes in
Speaker 4: the world anywhere, anytime to dinner, who would you have
Speaker 4: dead or alive?
Speaker 5: Rafiadal Tennis, Lebron James.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two consistent ones we've had Yep.
Speaker 5: And Serena Williams. She's the other consistent.
Speaker 2: Where should be keeping stats on this? She did?
Speaker 3: Next one in your the last team that you played for.
Speaker 3: Who's the last team you played for Pulse, We'll say
Speaker 3: Silver Fans. And in one in your Silver Ferns team,
Speaker 3: the last Silver Fans team you played in. Who would
Speaker 3: have A got you into trouble and then b got
Speaker 3: you out of trouble in your last Funds team that
Speaker 3: you were in.
Speaker 5: Last Ferns team I was in?
Speaker 2: Gosh, do I remember the twenty nineteen World Cup winning team.
Speaker 3: Who would have got you into trouble and got you
Speaker 3: out into trouble.
Speaker 5: We'll go with Bailey because she's undercover.
Speaker 2: Really I would pick that. I would have thought she'd
Speaker 2: get you out of trouble.
Speaker 5: Yeah, out of trouble.
Speaker 2: Okay, good work, Casey.
Speaker 3: Best piece of advice anyone has ever given you?
Speaker 2: Now, just the heads up?
Speaker 3: No, Lane said everyone goes to the toilet the same
Speaker 3: way you were.
Speaker 5: Still did you ever say that to you? Guys? I
Speaker 5: don't remember it, but.
Speaker 2: So be there.
Speaker 3: The best advice, yesspiece of advice you've ever been given.
Speaker 6: It's an advice and quote like even come as far,
Speaker 6: don't only come as fast. So for me that was
Speaker 6: always like a turning point and you know, need for
Speaker 6: working your ass off?
Speaker 2: Can I say that? Absolutely can't.
Speaker 3: And the birds were tweeting in the background when you
Speaker 3: say that, also agree? Heye, Katrina, thanks so much for
Speaker 3: catching up. You're looking great. Great to see you, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I hope to see on the side of the Tessman
Speaker 3: soon never.
Speaker 5: I never Eggers.
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Speaker 3: Well should meet for Katrina all day for the call
Speaker 3: up a day and you must be second on the
Speaker 3: list to be.
Speaker 2: Getting the call up.
Speaker 3: But isn't that interesting? That is so interesting and why
Speaker 3: wouldn't you. I mean, we could see her on screen
Speaker 3: and we follow her on social media. She is in
Speaker 3: peak physical conditions still she looks amazing, but so interesting
Speaker 3: to hear that her interest it was peaked.
Speaker 2: You know, she thought about it.
Speaker 3: And perhaps if she wasn't on the other side of
Speaker 3: the Tasman she would have done it. So maybe some
Speaker 3: of those Ossie listeners that might be listening or coaches,
Speaker 3: they might be like, oh, Katrina Aldy, she's an option.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's cool to say. I think it
Speaker 3: also reflects Jen And we know this from all of
Speaker 3: us playing. You know, that time of your life that
Speaker 3: you get to play in that team environment. It's special
Speaker 3: and if you get these opportunities, you can kind of
Speaker 3: see why people jump at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can kind of see why people don't.
Speaker 4: I mean if she said six weeks six weeks over
Speaker 4: here and I thought, oh, you know, no, but yeah, well,
Speaker 4: I you know, I just sort of think that that is,
Speaker 4: you know, you would think of somebody like her.
Speaker 3: Because they can slot an easy exactly, and look at
Speaker 3: the impact Casey's making. And there was another article about
Speaker 3: her giving instruction. I think it was a clip of
Speaker 3: her giving instruction to her players, the young players around it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's Katraina would be the same.
Speaker 4: There was a lovely moment too, beneath the goal because
Speaker 4: they were playing the Lightning and so Casey was goal keep.
Speaker 4: Steph Fretwell I think her name is now, Steph whatever
Speaker 4: she was, and they basically Casey just sort of ended
Speaker 4: up in her arm and they came a big hug
Speaker 4: and then they carried on. I mean, that's not typical
Speaker 4: Aussie behavior.
Speaker 3: Steph would she was, But it just goes to show
Speaker 3: you the commitment that Casey's putting in your If Katrina
Speaker 3: couldn't do six weeks and you think Casey's doing probably longer.
Speaker 2: She's got an extra child than Katrina.
Speaker 4: Kids are a bit older.
Speaker 2: They are a bit older.
Speaker 3: And as Casey still flicking back home or is she's
Speaker 3: staying over, she's flicking out and she's got her you know,
Speaker 3: her family around her, her faro, whereas Katrina obviously doesn't
Speaker 3: have the family over over in Australia quite the same.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so individual whether you can make it work,
Speaker 3: but cool to see.
Speaker 2: That they're passionate. Watch the space you can come play
Speaker 2: for you your replacement today? Is there money?
Speaker 4: Is the money go?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, you do get some free gear with your
Speaker 3: name on it. Still, I mean, Tony Street's doing a
Speaker 3: good job of giving sponsorship for good marketing. I had
Speaker 3: to believe we're heading into round seven. There's on four
Speaker 3: rounds to go, so let's quickly recap the round that
Speaker 3: was Stars versus Steel sixty two forty six, another sixteen
Speaker 3: goal win, a blowout when we're seeing too many of these.
Speaker 3: It was the Steel that won that one. And just
Speaker 3: when you look at the blowout games that we've had
Speaker 3: of late, there tends to be one quarter that's worse
Speaker 3: than the others. And for that stuff Steel game, that
Speaker 3: third quarter twelve eighteen, I think it looks like, yeah,
Speaker 3: up by six, damage was done. Stars gen raally battling,
Speaker 3: aren't they they are?
Speaker 4: And you know, well we've all said it, You've got
Speaker 4: a feel for them. But you know, the one good
Speaker 4: thing coming out of the Steel I have to say
Speaker 4: is the I was going to say, rejuvenile, rejuvenation of Kate,
Speaker 4: even she's coming back from injury. She got thirty one minutes.
Speaker 4: I think at the weekend. I presume she'll go up
Speaker 4: another another people too in round seven, So you know
Speaker 4: that's something to look forward to. And also, as I've mentioned,
Speaker 4: Kristyth just on fire.
Speaker 3: And talk about blowout quarters in the Tactics Pulse game.
Speaker 3: The Tactics obviously coming more with the one sixty one fifty,
Speaker 3: but that second quarter it was twenty to twelve to
Speaker 3: the Tactics, So again you're seeing those swings, and yes,
Speaker 3: we do have this two point shot, and yes we've
Speaker 3: talked about a little bit over the the last few weeks.
Speaker 2: When do you use it?
Speaker 3: But you know that really blew out that that margin
Speaker 3: by halftime for the Tactics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the thing.
Speaker 3: When you look at that Tactic Salmon and Tapa Salbiraka,
Speaker 3: who's coming into some great form, we're on the court
Speaker 3: for sixteen minutes. They've still got a weapon in Ali
Speaker 3: birds sitting on the bench. So you know, you talked
Speaker 3: about Donna earlier doing some good things, She's still got
Speaker 3: that up a sleeve when things don't go so well.
Speaker 3: And when was the last time we saw Tapia shoot
Speaker 3: twenty four from thirty. I thought, yeah, it's her volume.
Speaker 3: She seems confident again. Is that the coaching? Is it the.
Speaker 2: Confidence that Donna is giving to TP. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I want we'll see. That's what I wondered about. And
Speaker 4: I wanted, oh, well, you know, Donna was a shooter Donna,
Speaker 4: you know, is there just something going click there? And
Speaker 4: she's responded.
Speaker 3: Because you look at the mid court for the tactics.
Speaker 3: That was always my worry. You know, Peterson she's not
Speaker 3: She's kind of come and gone, and then you've got
Speaker 3: Matha in the middle. We don't know much about Matha,
Speaker 3: but Matha's actually coming and run some really good lines.
Speaker 3: She's just a very steady center, was reliable and always there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I quite like her. I like the way she
Speaker 4: holds herself. She sort of stands on the edge of
Speaker 4: the circle and looks well, I don't know what she
Speaker 4: looks like.
Speaker 2: But she regal. It's a little bit.
Speaker 3: But Peterson's been outstanding as well. I was watching some
Speaker 3: of her feeds, like they are clever feeds. She's her
Speaker 3: vision is very wide. Again, maybe it's because there is
Speaker 3: such a creation of space in the circle.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that just but can we can we ask
Speaker 4: what is going on with the Pulse? What I wonder?
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't blame Tiana Maturo for it all.
Speaker 3: I mean she only shot four from she did own, yes,
Speaker 3: but for a whole game. Yeah, Ikonacia nearly did that
Speaker 3: in her game as well, so we can't.
Speaker 2: We can't.
Speaker 3: They also lost lot well they didn't, sorry, because they
Speaker 3: only scored thirty eight. It was thirty eight girls in
Speaker 3: a whole game of net. I think the big problem
Speaker 3: with the Pulse is that Matuno is not doing so
Speaker 3: well and she needs a strong goal shooter at the
Speaker 3: back to lead the way, and I don't think Wormsley
Speaker 3: is strong enough to lead. She's just can be a
Speaker 3: little bit vulnerable under that hope. And I think as
Speaker 3: a result, the partnership between them is breaking down.
Speaker 4: And who's the other?
Speaker 3: Because I think, count on, I'm runny, she's there because
Speaker 3: Couna Williams is still undured. But also you go, well,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, You've got Maddy Gordon, You've got Whitney Sooners
Speaker 3: two silver Ferns, You've got Kelly Jackson down the other
Speaker 3: end of silver fir And you know, why aren't these
Speaker 3: senior players standing up? Gordon and soonest have been very
Speaker 3: up and down of late as well. In fact, we're
Speaker 3: going to go through our spying later on our top
Speaker 3: three players and it'll be interesting to see how many silver
Speaker 3: Ferns are actually in that for all of us. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the pulse disappointing. Are they in our top three day
Speaker 3: we did? Are they in your toe You've chosen the
Speaker 3: Mystics and we or no, maybe they're not in yours,
Speaker 3: but we.
Speaker 2: Don't even to stick.
Speaker 3: So I think the pulse, yeah, they've got a lot
Speaker 3: of soul searching. I thought defensively, you know, even the
Speaker 3: week before Kellie Jackson, our Silverfirm defender.
Speaker 2: That was when Sophia.
Speaker 3: La fay Lelli, the goal shooter for the Mystics, got
Speaker 3: MVP against Kellie Jackson and you kind of go, that
Speaker 3: was her first full A and Z Premiership game up
Speaker 3: against the Silverfern best and goalkeeper.
Speaker 2: And she kind of made her look, made Kelly look.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But then you see then you saw that game
Speaker 4: the other night with the Mystics and you thought, oh, dear,
Speaker 4: I was so looking forward to that Magic Mystics. I thought, oh,
Speaker 4: this is going to be good game of the round
Speaker 4: game of the round, and it was in terms of
Speaker 4: it was so close, but it was just error ridden. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I just couldn't believe what was, you know, playing
Speaker 4: out in the front of my eyes.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we all had great hopes because you know,
Speaker 3: the Magic had won two on the trot, but the
Speaker 3: little question mark behind my head was that, you know,
Speaker 3: they both those wins were against the Stars, and this
Speaker 3: was the first time that they were actually being challenged
Speaker 3: by a stronger team. That was the fourth game over
Speaker 3: the course of six rounds that was within five goals
Speaker 3: across all games, only the fourth. All the other games
Speaker 3: have been like blowouts over eight.
Speaker 4: And the other thing that we missed dwell on, I
Speaker 4: think is that the Magic took five and a half
Speaker 4: minutes to score a goal. Mindset at this level of
Speaker 4: netball is unheard of.
Speaker 3: Well, there's single digit you look at the core of
Speaker 3: scores twelve eight nine or eleven eight eight thirteen. I
Speaker 3: mean three of those quarters, the Magic weren't even hitting
Speaker 3: double figures. I must admit it was probably the worst
Speaker 3: game I've seen of Echinacio. And sometimes in those games,
Speaker 3: you just need your leader to stand up. She finished
Speaker 3: the game on the bench Katie Taylor, the under twenty
Speaker 3: one player, came on the court. But as you say, Jen,
Speaker 3: it was mispasses, it was drop balls, and it wasn't
Speaker 3: just from the med jacket, was from the mystics as well.
Speaker 3: You know, I have been playing some great netball.
Speaker 4: And as you say held balls, I mean four. I think,
Speaker 4: well the status sheets said four held balls and I
Speaker 4: just thought, oh, my goodness, at this level. But I
Speaker 4: did give Echnasi a few points because she critiqued her
Speaker 4: own game quite well. After the game, she said, you know,
Speaker 4: I lost my confidence. You know, she was able to
Speaker 4: sort of dissect it quite well. So the funny thing
Speaker 4: is they're going to play each other again.
Speaker 3: I can't cope with how they play each other.
Speaker 2: That's like the Magic Stars. Wasn't it twice in a row?
Speaker 4: So well, look, let's hope it's a much better one.
Speaker 3: So do you think it was Mikhaela sokolch beaks and
Speaker 3: at Gold offense? That meant that because that's where you
Speaker 3: talked her the week before, saying, great, move back to
Speaker 3: Gold defense.
Speaker 4: And I hope they don't move her because who was
Speaker 4: telling somebody heard somewhere that Holly Ray apparently you no
Speaker 4: longer injured, better will come back in. But I don't
Speaker 4: know I would, I would not move souppolet speaks from.
Speaker 3: Just being the key difference I think for me down there,
Speaker 3: and she just stuck to Ekenascio, you know, really denied
Speaker 3: her that first phase, and as a result, Catherine Hall
Speaker 3: came to the party. I would, I would absolute one
Speaker 3: hundred percent keep socklate beats in at gold defense, whether
Speaker 3: you put ray at wing defense or keep Katie t L.
Speaker 3: Katie TL was doing a fine job as well. It
Speaker 3: doesn't come up with huge amount of ball, but she
Speaker 3: was applying pressure and as a result, you know, when
Speaker 3: you've got the height of Hall at the back, she
Speaker 3: was she was snaffling them. So that one would have
Speaker 3: to be the most ugliest game. I think that we've
Speaker 3: done me and and we were like, how did the
Speaker 3: magic even get within two? That felt like they should
Speaker 3: have lost that by twenty.
Speaker 4: It was actually it actually ended up being quite exciting
Speaker 4: because the last five.
Speaker 2: Minutes a whole of two pointers run there.
Speaker 4: We got a rash of two's and I think Filder
Speaker 4: did her thing. But yeah, no it was not not pretty, No,
Speaker 4: not pretty, And that's just the ye disheartening thing. You know,
Speaker 4: with four rounds to go, we want to see some clean,
Speaker 4: fantastic netball. So the Tactics are staying.
Speaker 2: In the hunt for us. So that's good.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about our spine because Nolan didn't talk
Speaker 3: about the spine last week, so we thought we would
Speaker 3: maybe have a go at it if we were to pick.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: So this isine so not just in Z form, this
Speaker 3: is historic form. So Gin, you're allowed to use historic form.
Speaker 4: Historic form.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm using form based on A and you're going form.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with a little combination.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Nice, and I'll go for history.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So a player in each air of court. So I'm
Speaker 3: going to start. I'm going to start in the mid
Speaker 3: court because that was the easiest one for me. I'm
Speaker 3: going to Java first mid quarter. I would put in
Speaker 3: that silver Fern squad because she is playing the best
Speaker 3: netball at wing attack. She's often playing center roles. She's
Speaker 3: number one with feeds. She holds that Mystics team together. Well,
Speaker 3: if you my piece of paper, I also have two
Speaker 3: the other. And you know there's a reason we keep
Speaker 3: picking her in our seven of the week, Like she
Speaker 3: is outstanding. If they do not pick here this year,
Speaker 3: when will you ever pick her? And this is a
Speaker 3: year to do it. It's leading into colm games. You'll
Speaker 3: give her the opportunity to play against South Africa, South
Speaker 3: Africa and Australia.
Speaker 2: Perfect time.
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe the whole fitness thing will come back into
Speaker 3: it again.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 4: She may she's fit.
Speaker 2: I mean she looks super super fast, she jumps. I
Speaker 2: mean she can change to Gola Teck if she wants to.
Speaker 4: Do you agree with us? Yes? I do. I do,
Speaker 4: And I think that I didn't think she had the
Speaker 4: greatest game the other night, but then nobody except for
Speaker 4: Catherine Hall. No, I totally agree with you. And I've
Speaker 4: put her.
Speaker 3: In Yeah, okay, well three from three to other okay,
Speaker 3: next one shirting end, Well, I've gone with Echinacio. I
Speaker 3: think that does set to be based on based on form,
Speaker 3: perhaps not on form of the last game, but she's
Speaker 3: got to be in there for a leadership, for her experience,
Speaker 3: for her.
Speaker 4: I've gone Martina Salmon o happy play it's.
Speaker 3: Fine, Well, so you can play it in the in
Speaker 3: the shooting end, you'd go Martina Salmon that you build
Speaker 3: everyone else around yes, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't think of that through that much. But no, I did.
Speaker 4: I like her. I like the cut of her jib
Speaker 4: as my old Auntie Gay would say. She. I like
Speaker 4: the way she carries herself. I like the way she
Speaker 4: you know, well I do. I just like how she
Speaker 4: is the future. I think she's the future, and I
Speaker 4: think you put her in now. I think we're going
Speaker 4: to have a glut of shooters before too long. Actually,
Speaker 4: but well, let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Speaker 2: But no, do you reckon?
Speaker 3: We've got quite a lot of shooting depths coming through.
Speaker 3: We'll look accurate shooters, but we got but I don't
Speaker 3: know about movement and availability.
Speaker 4: Well we've got well movement and available.
Speaker 2: To but never been tested it so far.
Speaker 4: Absolutely no, they all need to be tested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've got Warmsley, You've got Philda Voie again
Speaker 3: who you know for the mystics. She goes about her
Speaker 3: job and slides into that circle and gets those two pointers.
Speaker 2: But again, can she make that step up?
Speaker 3: And there are players that you look across all AID
Speaker 3: teams and you go, I don't know if you can
Speaker 3: make that step up, And I always question whether she's
Speaker 3: one of them.
Speaker 4: No, Well, just for now, I'd go with Martina.
Speaker 3: Heaven is another one that's playing well and needs to
Speaker 3: be tested. She has been tested briefly at international level,
Speaker 3: but she's not my spine. I'm being conservative here after
Speaker 3: in X Factor, Yeah, I'm going no, no, no, no, shooter, shooter.
Speaker 3: I'm going meals, Amelia, Emilia and me. Yeah, same as
Speaker 3: you because I've gone X Factor Petter. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: want a little bit of, you know, just consistency down
Speaker 3: that shooting end. And for her leadership Emilia An, you've
Speaker 3: got to have her as part of the spies. She's
Speaker 3: part of the leadership model. So that yeah, I would
Speaker 3: go Pitta and Amelia is my shooter. Medi Combo Okay
Speaker 3: defender Jenny Woods.
Speaker 4: Well, I would like to step up Jackson, Kelly Jackson.
Speaker 4: You can't go past and look, I have a discussion
Speaker 4: out here every day with there's a woman in this
Speaker 4: building who does not like it because she stands anyway.
Speaker 4: But I just can't go past how she shut down
Speaker 4: those Australian shooters last year. And so I rest my case.
Speaker 3: I kind of I'm sat on the fence slightly here,
Speaker 3: So I wonder if I do go for four people
Speaker 3: because I had Jackson down as well because of her height,
Speaker 3: her leadership that lean.
Speaker 2: You need height. You need height.
Speaker 3: How many international teams have a tall goal shooter. You
Speaker 3: need to have height as an option at least because
Speaker 3: you can't coach hip right it is.
Speaker 2: You're either six foot gazillion or you're not. You need
Speaker 2: that option.
Speaker 3: So that's why I kind of went Jackson first. But
Speaker 3: going back to tactics, going back to Burger, she's been
Speaker 3: pretty damn good in that gold defense position. I didn't
Speaker 3: actually pick her in my form seven. I went Paris Mason.
Speaker 3: But again, if I go off historical form, she can
Speaker 3: play gold defense and wing defense, so I like that
Speaker 3: she's got that option. So I've actually gone Jackson slash Burger.
Speaker 3: Oh for two, Well, we've got the same medeane because
Speaker 3: I've gone for Burger as well. I think she consistently
Speaker 3: is at a level in each game she plays. She's
Speaker 3: so athletic and has that intensity. She gets ball.
Speaker 2: She very rarely has a bad game.
Speaker 3: She definitely had a slow start I think to the
Speaker 3: season with Watson, but I definitely put her put her
Speaker 3: in over over Jackson because you know, I look at
Speaker 3: Jackson the other day when she played that game. She
Speaker 3: can she can be hot Jackson and then she can
Speaker 3: be cold.
Speaker 4: I think, oh, but they're different positions.
Speaker 2: They are different positions.
Speaker 3: But I sort of think you need to have a
Speaker 3: level of of intensity and consistency when you're a silver Fen.
Speaker 3: I think she just drops below it too much for me.
Speaker 3: Although she got a player, didn't you get silver Fen
Speaker 3: of the year like the last two years in Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I don't think you'd say she'd be the inform
Speaker 3: goalkeeper this year, would she.
Speaker 2: I mean, I still have her in my team.
Speaker 3: I still have her in this Hall and Stif are
Speaker 3: certainly nipping at her heels, which is great because it
Speaker 3: will challenge here. I think Hall for me, she's she's
Speaker 3: been great. Okay, so if we roll into round seven,
Speaker 3: what are the games magic mystics again that one will
Speaker 3: be in Hamilton?
Speaker 2: What are you going there? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I am going to go back the magic and say, look,
Speaker 4: this time, this time they cannot because they're that close.
Speaker 4: They're now within a point of well they're in fourth place,
Speaker 4: so you know, within a point of being the top three.
Speaker 4: I've got to have faith with them. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 4: I feel they're my team, but I passed through the
Speaker 4: by Kettlewell.
Speaker 3: Do you go magic last week or did you go Mystics?
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 4: I think I went Magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we said that I was going to
Speaker 2: be close Wed.
Speaker 4: We did say that, so, I mean, look, it was
Speaker 4: two points. We were right, we picked it.
Speaker 3: What would you go to be honest, I've lost my
Speaker 3: confidence with my predictions because I've been.
Speaker 2: So wrong this season.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I have been so wrong with
Speaker 3: domestics and it will be the Magic. Yeah, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go. I think I went Magic last week.
Speaker 4: This week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fifty to fifty for I think I might
Speaker 3: go Mystics. That one tactic stars in christ Church.
Speaker 5: I feel confident about this one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an easy one. I think that's a Tactics
Speaker 3: clean sweep for all of us and polse Steel at home,
Speaker 3: although the Pulse had been not performing at their best,
Speaker 3: I think at home they might pull one out of
Speaker 3: the bag, even though the Steel I think will push them.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going.
Speaker 4: To pick the Steel because Kate Heffernan is coming, you know,
Speaker 4: up and up and up and up, and I don't
Speaker 4: know when they're looking good. They are looking good, So
Speaker 4: I think I'll go for a little bit of an
Speaker 4: upset there.
Speaker 3: And krastythe will be up against Mealy Warmsley, and I
Speaker 3: actually think that's quite a key, you know, if you're
Speaker 3: looking at key matchups and shutting down someone. If you
Speaker 3: shut down Emelia Warmsley, who shot? What did she shoot?
Speaker 3: How many take that out of equation?
Speaker 2: Make Tiana shoot?
Speaker 3: Then I'm I'm sticking with you, gin, I'm going with
Speaker 3: the Steel and then down the other end of the court.
Speaker 3: The other booking match up is Jackson on Done. It's
Speaker 3: always a good one too, so I know each other well,
Speaker 3: you know it. Done's another one that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 3: When she's informed, she's informed as well as a shooter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but again it's just that big sea word. Oh what's
Speaker 3: the big seaword?
Speaker 2: Consistent? Wonder what it was.
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: See?
Speaker 2: Okay, right, okay, consistency. Do you know another word is funny?
Speaker 2: As I heard this on another radio show this week.
Speaker 3: Was they were talking about sports teams names and how
Speaker 3: terrible nipble sports teams names are. I know that's a
Speaker 3: bit left field, but let's be honest. Some of the
Speaker 3: names are a little bit boring. What yeah, like, where
Speaker 3: did magic? What's blues Blues? I thought it was quite.
Speaker 2: Funny and I started thinking about it. I must have
Speaker 2: been on a big walk that day I did it.
Speaker 2: But I wondered if next year, if they changed the
Speaker 2: comp whether we could look at changing names. I don't
Speaker 2: mind them.
Speaker 3: Logic's probably the well magic something over for and some
Speaker 3: on social media.
Speaker 2: What would be a good name for a knipball team?
Speaker 3: Rebels was very good back in the day because we
Speaker 3: come on maybe a team that could play in Australia.
Speaker 3: That would be that. We've got a couple of teams. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: that's it from us for another week. Remember to keep
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Speaker 2: Mad Ti whare
Speaker 1: Mhm.