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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Real Team, the

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Speaker 1: only truly global brand in the.

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Speaker 2: Huddle of us has even I've got Thomas Scrimger of

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Speaker 2: the Maximum Institute of Mark Sainsbury broadcast.

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Speaker 3: Hell are you two today?

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Speaker 2: Thomas? You had all worried about the possibility, as Audrey

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Speaker 2: Young is, that we may have to start talking about

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Speaker 2: fuel shortages.

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Speaker 4: I'm not too worried about it at this stage. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the prices have spiked up today and that's already the

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Speaker 4: first step of rationing. People are going to be driving

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Speaker 4: less when petrol's over three bucks elevat. But you know,

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Speaker 4: it's certainly something that could keep coming that. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's not clear how quickly the fuel crunch will resolve,

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Speaker 4: and you know, we are at the far end of

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Speaker 4: the world. It's not going to be first in line

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Speaker 4: for any fuel deliveries, even though hopefully fingers crossed, those

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Speaker 4: tankers are on their way. I cycle to work, so

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Speaker 4: I'm feeling a little less stressed than some people. So

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Speaker 4: cycling is patriotic, you know, do your bit for the

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Speaker 4: national security and ride a bike.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, have you signed up to the Green

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Speaker 2: Party or something.

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Speaker 4: I have not signed up to the Green Party here though,

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Speaker 4: I'll give you I cycle because I'm a recovering libertarian.

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Speaker 4: Is it kind of a great deal where you can

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Speaker 4: buy your bank without paying tax on it. Because we're

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Speaker 4: saving the planet. You don't have to have a license,

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Speaker 4: you don't fund hostile foreign powers. It's the libertarian's dream.

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Speaker 4: Cycling should be picked up by more right wingers.

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Speaker 2: I'm loving the unexpected take on cycling. Okay, saying, so

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Speaker 2: are you buying this? You're going to get into the.

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Speaker 3: Cycling Well, I'm it's ying and yang on the other

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Speaker 3: side of the equation. I've got a I took my

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Speaker 3: car up to Auckland the other week for using a

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Speaker 3: film the daughters working on, and I think the fee

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Speaker 3: just covered the gas. It's got a seven liter V

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Speaker 3: eight and is made in nineteen sixty three. See you

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Speaker 3: can imagine how efficient. So I'm already paying three bucks

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Speaker 3: a leader.

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Speaker 2: Oh mate, have you read of how many Jerry cans

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Speaker 2: have you got out in the back full of fuel?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Well it's weird, I mean, and of course you

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Speaker 3: know we don't have the We don't have the backstop

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Speaker 3: of Marsden, which was ther company's decision. But you know

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Speaker 3: it's but apparently bit of it.

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Speaker 2: But they they got the okay from the government, So

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Speaker 2: does go back to the government.

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Speaker 3: Well why does it? Does the government owners or.

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Speaker 2: But apparently they didn't. They didn't pull the pin until

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Speaker 2: they got the nod from from old mate Meghan Megan

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Speaker 2: Woods who shut down a whole bunch of stuff, shut

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Speaker 3: Well, I still go back to all companies that was

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Speaker 3: their asset. Wasn't a state state asset if they don't

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Speaker 2: So you know, do you think though? But saying so,

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Speaker 2: is there a case in something like a strategic like

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Speaker 2: like in New Zealand? Doesn't Is there a case if

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Speaker 2: state step in and you go, okay, you can do

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Speaker 2: that as a private company will take it over.

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Speaker 3: And use it as a as a strategic Yeah, reminery,

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Speaker 3: most other countries, Most other countries do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are we finding out Thomas that we've got

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Speaker 2: that we made a mistake.

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Speaker 4: Well, the problem with Marsden that it was still refining

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Speaker 4: different kind of problem if the choke point in the

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Speaker 4: chain was refineries overseas. But if we couldn't bring crude

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Speaker 2: We wrong, though, Thomas, because my understanding of it is,

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Speaker 4: But the problem is it's a global market, and the

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Speaker 4: problem is that prices are spiking at the moment. You

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Speaker 4: the nose to get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the fair point, all right, Well, take a break

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Speaker 2: that you guys, come back and just the tickets quarter

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name you can trust

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Speaker 1: locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back of the huddle, Mark Sainsbridge. Thomas Scrimger

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Speaker 2: now saying, so we need to talk about the welfare

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Speaker 2: numbers because apparently we have thirteen percent of the working

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Speaker 2: age population on some kind of a benefit. What do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is the problem, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: They've been in power two and a half years now

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Speaker 3: and I see that I'm still blaming the last government,

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Speaker 3: which may well, I've had so contribution, but there's a

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Speaker 3: point where you're going to start taking on the chin yourself.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the numbers that are just exploding because jobs

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Speaker 2: It look, I'm not an apologist for the government or

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Speaker 2: hard to blame them, isn't it. Saying zo When you

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Speaker 2: have a recession which generally causes people to go on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, then if you go back, was it Jesus's

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Speaker 3: fault for creating Adan in the first place.

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Speaker 2: It's not that ancient history. The dude was in the

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Speaker 3: But look, but I suppose one sign is these things

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Speaker 3: are a lot harder to do when people are electioneering.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be going through it all later on

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Speaker 3: this year, and there's so many things. It'd be like

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Speaker 3: when when National launch Think Big, they did that never

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Speaker 3: thinking they're going to come into power. Then that was

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Speaker 2: Were Yeah, I suppose I mean something they carry on.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm just going to say, this is something that

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Speaker 3: can't deliver. It could be all sorts of reasons, but

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Speaker 3: it's not a great look. Maybe maybe they need to

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Speaker 3: do some rebounding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, was that one of their things?

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think what it does is it kind of makes

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Speaker 2: it does make a mockery of a promise to get

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Speaker 2: I just wonder if when you look at these numbers

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Speaker 2: there is something inherently wrong with the welfare system in

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think there's definitely plenty of room to reform

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Speaker 4: the system. The thing is how do we think about

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Speaker 4: how do we do it better? And the government came

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Speaker 4: long run kind of individuals over time, getting people into work.

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Speaker 4: The problem is the government hasn't actually done anything with

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Speaker 4: the idea of social investments. They set up an agency

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Speaker 4: and it's kind of done some interesting you know, stats analysis,

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Speaker 4: but they haven't actually done the really interesting stuff. We

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Speaker 2: No, I don't hate that idea. Now says are what

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Speaker 2: are you team Emily or team Chelsea.

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Speaker 3: Well, listen is almost identical to my morning routine. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's fishy. No, it's it's my first thought. I thought

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Speaker 3: So No, I'm team Emily?

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Speaker 2: Are you? And what about you? Thomas?

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to not pick a side, and it's

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Speaker 4: not because I think either of them are doing anything wrong.

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Speaker 4: I just think both of them are cultivating an image

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Speaker 4: to sell for money. You know, Chelsea Winter performs aspiration

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Speaker 4: actually know. They're writers who cultivate images, you know, as

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Speaker 4: it for the game. You know that both teams are going. Well,

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Speaker 4: I'm in it for the sport of it, and so

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Speaker 4: it's a huge success for both brands.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you're not going to take a take

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Speaker 2: a side, can you at least attempt to explain to

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Speaker 2: me what coconut oil pulling is.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have the foggy es what coconut oil pulling is,

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Speaker 4: you know, to be honest, getting up at five thirty

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Speaker 4: is not really my jam either. But you know what,

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Speaker 4: I like that Chelsea Winter is doing it. It's important

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Speaker 4: to me that someone lives that great life, because I

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Speaker 4: don't if Chelsea Winter isn't doing that, what hope is

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Speaker 4: there for humanity? You know, it's important. It's that we

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Speaker 4: have somewhat great among us who can do such things.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 2: Just it's it's like it's like the Messiah living here

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Speaker 2: right now, saying so I reckon, I reckon. The intention

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Speaker 2: infused water sounds like it could be up you rarely well.

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Speaker 3: Although the coconut oil pulling apparently you gargle with coconut

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Speaker 3: oil and we'll run it round your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Is that what she's doing here? Is it? Are you

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Speaker 2: making that up right now?

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Speaker 1: On the raid?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I read the story. He said that the

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Speaker 3: the coconut coconut oil pulling was a thing almost like

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Speaker 3: a rinsing your mouth, like a gargle with this stuff.

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Speaker 3: God know it's what it's for. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're just you're just a treasure. You're just so full

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Speaker 2: of wow. Thank you for that. I'm going to go google.

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Speaker 2: I don't trust him. I'm going to Google It's Hardle,

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Speaker 2: Mark Sainsbury, Thomas Scrimgers.

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