1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: More insight back home though into our battle, if that's 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: what you want to call it, into vaping. Two years ago, 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: you remember the government banned specialist vape shops from opening 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: keyword opening within three hundred meters of a school. However, 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: existing vape shops were allowed to continue. So we've got 6 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: this new data this morning. The shows forty four percent 7 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: of schools have a specialist vape shop within a kilometer 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: of the gate. Now, Ronan Piander Piginda is the study 9 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: lead at the Auckland University Medical Faculty and is with 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: us Ronan. 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Morning God to make how are you going very well? 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: Indeed, this simply shows the laws working. Unless a new 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: shop has opened and the law was broken, the ones 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: that were already there are still there and therefore nothing's changed, 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: is it. 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's basically the case. The legislation didn't apply to 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: any of the hundreds of existing bape shops within that 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: three hundred meter radius, and so we found that for 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: a large proportion of our schools there were several vape 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: shops within that close range walking distance. 21 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: And when you say one k, what's the value of 22 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: one k as opposed to nine hundred meters versus one 23 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: point three ks. Why are we doing this? What's that matter? 24 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's we did three hundred meters and one 25 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: kilometer as well, and that's kind of what students you know, 26 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,639 Speaker 2: are reported to be walking on the way to school 27 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: on the way home, and it's just a rough radius 28 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 2: for even at sports games and during lunchtimes. What students 29 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 2: are being able to have access. 30 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: To isn't the problem. I mean, we go school gate, 31 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: it's a problem. Alarm bells ring? What about to the 32 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: kid's house? 33 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the research from overseas and from Australia as well, 34 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: it's showing us that even walking past these kind of 35 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: stores on the way to and from school and having 36 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: them in your local area where a lot of young 37 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: people are frequenting it does increase the uptake of vaping 38 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: by young people who have never vaped before, and for 39 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: those that are already vaping, it increases the use of 40 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: vaping products and other nicotine products. 41 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to argue with you because I actually 42 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: agree with you. And the whole thing's a disaster. And 43 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: I said it would be a disaster when they tried 44 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: to transfer smoking to vaping. But having said that, is 45 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: it really and do we have hard data on this? 46 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Is it really the store or is it things like 47 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: peer group pressure? 48 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I definitely agree with that. I think it's 49 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: going to be multifactorial. I think we do have research 50 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: that shows a really strong association even from just having 51 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: the vaping outlets, But absolutely agreeing there. I think the 52 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: real element is that young people, you know, in a 53 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: friend group, if several of them are vaping, they're going 54 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 2: to encourage their fense to do the same, or they're 55 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: just going to normalize it through their behavior. So I 56 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: think it goes through those two vehicles. 57 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I think this whole thing is a disaster. Do you 58 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: have an opinion on that. I mean, it's a catastrophic mess. 59 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: And it was predicated on the idea that if we 60 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: got people to stop smoking and they vaped, it would 61 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: be so much better than it was, and that was 62 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: always crap and it's proving to be the case. 63 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think especially for our young people, I'm 64 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: especially concerned because a lot of these people, teenagers, even children, 65 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 2: they never even smoked tobacco before, so it wasn't even 66 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: providing a way out from addiction, but it's kind of 67 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 2: just chaining a whole new generation to a new form 68 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 2: of addictive nicotine products. So I'm especially concerned for our 69 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: teens and our young people who are starting these addictions 70 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: that might last a lifetime. 71 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: Ye as we should. It nice to talk to you, 72 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Ronan Fienda out of the Faculty of Medical 73 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: and Health Sciences at the University of Althorn. For more 74 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 75 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 76 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.