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Speaker 2: Hello, good afternoon, cured that Welcome into the Sunday edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport on News Talks. AB July twenty one,

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Speaker 2: Happy Birthday twenty three Test fifty five match Iconic All

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Speaker 2: Blacks winger Bernie Fraser.

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Speaker 3: St Wilson coming in for the right wingers, broken out

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Speaker 4: A reporter for Bernie Fraser. Fraser first tire the matches

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Speaker 4: born Ela Wellington, the lethal duo of the.

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Speaker 2: All Blacks wingers, Stu Wilson and Bernie Fraser. Happy birthday, Bernie.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine, Show producer Andy McDonald. We're here till

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Speaker 2: three three up, three down for the All Blacks.

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Speaker 3: And vets will be Vets in San Diego. It as

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Speaker 3: a party in the USA for the All Blacks. Forty

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Speaker 3: seven five A comfortable victory for the men in Black

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Speaker 3: who blood's six new faces and score seven tries can a.

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Speaker 2: Chat short there with former All Blacks coach Laurie Mains

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Speaker 2: to get his feeling on how happy Scott Robertson will

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Speaker 2: be after his first three Test matches in charge. We'll

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Speaker 2: hear from Razer as well. I want your summation rarely

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Speaker 2: though of the first three Test matches of the year

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Speaker 2: and which players yesterday pushed their case for elevation into

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Speaker 2: the starting side or into the twenty three for the

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Speaker 2: upcoming Rugby Championship. Can open the lines immediately on that.

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Speaker 2: After one, I want to focus in on the White Ferns.

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Speaker 2: Their unhappy tour of England ended on Thursday with an

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Speaker 2: eighth straight defeat. They lost all eight matches on that tour.

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Speaker 2: General Manager of High Performance for New Zealand Cricketers Brian Stronik,

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Speaker 2: he's with us after one o'clock to try and explain

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Speaker 2: the way forward for the White Ferns. Again, your feedback

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Speaker 2: is welcome. The final Stallman's in our Row to Paris

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Speaker 2: feature joined by Sarah Walker, New Zealand's first and still

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Speaker 2: only Olympic BMX medalist. She won silver in London and

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve. She is with us after two and I

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Speaker 2: would wager no one has more knowledge and experience of

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Speaker 2: the Olympic Games than New Zealand journalist, author and broadcaster

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Speaker 2: Joseph Romanos, who's off to Paris his tenth success of

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Speaker 2: Olympic Games. He's going to pop in for a chat

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Speaker 2: of a couple of key we who have been wrapping

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Speaker 2: us brilliantly overnight. Golfer Daniel Hillier. We'll head him to

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Speaker 2: the final round of the Open Championship at Royal Troon

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Speaker 2: day to sit two over overalls's a lot nicer when

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Speaker 5: It was made those first well nine holes a lot

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Speaker 6: Get a couple good berties early on and he just

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Speaker 2: So just six shots back from leader Billy Horseshal and

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Speaker 2: back to Diamond League gold medals for high jumper Hamish Kerr.

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Speaker 7: Talking of time, Lexis Man looks very crushing These Headish

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Speaker 7: kur go from stretch to stretch he really is in

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Speaker 7: one of those purple patches at the moment to thirty

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Speaker 7: three I mentioned in Monaco eight days ago, two thirty

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Speaker 7: here looking provide nice sat Hamish kurt wins again as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hamish Kurr looking great ahead of the Olympic Games.

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Speaker 1: The schools from the track fields and the court on

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Speaker 3: Now the melo, the pipe, pasilo posse Toossi, looking a

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Probably the best of the All Black seven tries yesterday,

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Speaker 2: How happy do you think Scott Robertson will be after

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Speaker 8: I think whom I'd be pretty happy, and the reason

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Speaker 8: I could see a very clear game plan they were

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Speaker 8: What I can see is certain phases and endeavors that

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Speaker 8: but it's very much some of the crusader tactics are involved.

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Speaker 8: And what you also have to remember, its very early days.

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Speaker 2: He talked about the way that the team wants to

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Speaker 8: Well, in particular, I think against England he would be

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Speaker 8: for me to watch that and see two real test matches,

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about being a new All Blacks

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Speaker 2: coach and back to nineteen ninety two. In your first

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Speaker 2: John Timu, Greg Cooper, all of who you'd coached at Otago.

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Speaker 2: How tempting was it early in your All Black tenure

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Speaker 8: Well, Earl Kurtin and I spent a lot of time

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Speaker 8: we both agreed that nineteen ninety two had to be

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Speaker 8: We felt the sooner we started bringing some of these

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Speaker 8: If they're a success, you can develop them further or

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Speaker 8: replace them with other players as is necessary. But those

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Speaker 8: They know, based on maybe your ten best players who

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Speaker 2: So you were thinking about the nineteen ninety five Rugby

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, definitely. And look, I can remember in my

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Speaker 8: they were supportive of that.

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Speaker 2: How soon after you bring someone into the all blacks environments,

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Speaker 8: Well, when players come in like Will Jordan, for example,

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Speaker 8: bit more TENTEDI of starting I'll use an example Jamie Joseph.

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Speaker 8: that just needed to learn what tess rugby was about.

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Speaker 8: And he did and he went on, you know, to

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm asking the question because I mean, three

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Speaker 2: how you know when somebody isn't going to be up

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Speaker 2: to it? How you how you you know? You try

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Speaker 9: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Is it kind to be cruel if you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean and say, sorry, mate, this isn't this isn't

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Speaker 2: what we're after, Well it is.

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Speaker 8: And the last thing I'm going to do is embarrassed

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Speaker 8: the same. We tried players out and just to see

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Speaker 8: how they would measure against the top players. If you remember,

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Speaker 2: Good man, Lay, Yeah, great to chat as always, mate,

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Speaker 2: All the best. Laurie Mains, former All Blacks coach with

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Speaker 2: some really interesting thoughts. You'll have some as well. I'm

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Speaker 2: News Talks, News Talks A twelve thirty talking to All

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Speaker 2: Blacks Kathy on text. Here's great listening to Laurie Mains.

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Speaker 2: I'm totally confident in a raiser and is all Blacks.

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Speaker 2: There's one hundred percent buy in a lot of science

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Speaker 2: they'll only get better with time together. Good stuff, Kathy, Right, Graham,

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Speaker 2: Noah Hotham, Courtes, Finlay, Christi Falal Fokkatava. There's six for you.

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Speaker 2: If you're picking three, who are your three? And who

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Speaker 2: Good on you, mate, I thanks for calling. And yeah,

431
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Speaker 2: I think with Roy guard out, I think they'll go

432
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Speaker 2: with the same three half backs for the Rugby Championship.

433
00:24:42,667 --> 00:24:45,667
Speaker 2: Finlay Christie will I think was just sitting out yesterday

434
00:24:45,827 --> 00:24:48,147
Speaker 2: after his bang on the head against England. So I

435
00:24:48,147 --> 00:24:51,307
Speaker 2: think they'll go t J, Petanada, Pimla Christi Cortiz Latima

436
00:24:51,507 --> 00:24:55,067
Speaker 2: as the three for the Rugby Championship. No, I hope

437
00:24:55,107 --> 00:24:57,427
Speaker 2: them showed yesterday. He's you know, he's a good up

438
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Speaker 2: and comer. But I think they'll It would be unfair

439
00:24:59,987 --> 00:25:03,307
Speaker 2: I think to get rid of any of Christy, Latimer

440
00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:06,067
Speaker 2: or Petandada if they're fit, having selected them for the

441
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Speaker 2: first three test matches of the year, and I can't

442
00:25:08,267 --> 00:25:10,427
Speaker 2: see them taking four half backs. I wouldn't take four

443
00:25:11,067 --> 00:25:16,947
Speaker 2: into the Rugby Championship, would they? Hello, Pippy, Jason, isn't

444
00:25:17,387 --> 00:25:17,747
Speaker 2: that's right?

445
00:25:17,787 --> 00:25:18,027
Speaker 14: It is?

446
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Speaker 2: Jason? How are you?

447
00:25:19,587 --> 00:25:19,787
Speaker 9: Yeah?

448
00:25:19,907 --> 00:25:22,547
Speaker 15: Not too bad? Thank you. I'm just ringing in but

449
00:25:23,227 --> 00:25:24,387
Speaker 15: I got put.

450
00:25:25,787 --> 00:25:26,227
Speaker 12: Into you.

451
00:25:27,307 --> 00:25:29,707
Speaker 15: I'm not really out for a discussion, but I'm just

452
00:25:29,747 --> 00:25:32,867
Speaker 15: saying that I give Raiser a teen out of team

453
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Speaker 15: because he's Caterbury.

454
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Speaker 2: Let's assume, for argument's sake, that he was in Auckland.

455
00:25:39,987 --> 00:25:40,787
Speaker 2: How would you be rating?

456
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Speaker 15: And then oh, yeah, second hometown. I love it.

457
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Speaker 2: So you're you're giving to give a teen out of

458
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Speaker 2: teen for the first three test matches?

459
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Speaker 15: Slutely? I mean he can swing, he can dance, he

460
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Speaker 15: can you know whatever, he can.

461
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Speaker 2: Coach as well, Pippy as well. God on you, lovely

462
00:26:01,147 --> 00:26:02,947
Speaker 2: to hear your bright and shiny voice. Thank you for

463
00:26:02,987 --> 00:26:06,347
Speaker 2: calling it all right? Ten out of ten for ras

464
00:26:06,627 --> 00:26:09,747
Speaker 2: in your mind? Love it? Uh, Lincoln, let's talk half

465
00:26:09,747 --> 00:26:11,587
Speaker 2: backs mate? What have you got a picking order of

466
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Speaker 2: any sort?

467
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Speaker 16: Not so much thinking about a pecking order. But I

468
00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:21,867
Speaker 16: think Courtiers Ratama I might be out for a while.

469
00:26:21,907 --> 00:26:24,347
Speaker 16: I think the way the way is he hit the

470
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Speaker 16: dirties today. I wouldn't be surprised if he's out for

471
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Speaker 16: at least a month.

472
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Speaker 2: You reckon, Yeah, we had done. I'm going to play

473
00:26:32,387 --> 00:26:34,987
Speaker 2: this audio for you because Scott Robertson spoke to media

474
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Speaker 2: this morning about it. Here's what Here's what he said

475
00:26:37,867 --> 00:26:38,987
Speaker 2: about courtiz Latima.

476
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Speaker 11: Yeah, god, he wake up well, Doc said he was

477
00:26:41,667 --> 00:26:44,907
Speaker 11: is in good spirits. He obviously couldn't go back on,

478
00:26:45,067 --> 00:26:46,907
Speaker 11: and he'll go through the next two or three week

479
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Speaker 11: protocols to make sure he's available bags and good spirits thinking.

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Speaker 2: So, I think what you're saying is right, Lincoln two

481
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Speaker 2: a three week protocol, So presuming he passes the protocols,

482
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Speaker 2: he should be okay. But it was a It was

483
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Speaker 2: a heck of a knock, wasn't it.

484
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

485
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Speaker 16: Well, one of the big GM players just like slingshot

486
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Speaker 16: of them straight into the ground and his head sort

487
00:27:04,187 --> 00:27:06,627
Speaker 16: of bounced and I just saw him on the ground

488
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:08,347
Speaker 16: there and he was just lying. I thought, oh shit,

489
00:27:08,467 --> 00:27:11,147
Speaker 16: something really bad has happened to him. He's just lying there,

490
00:27:11,267 --> 00:27:13,947
Speaker 16: and eventually they got him up and walked him off.

491
00:27:13,987 --> 00:27:16,027
Speaker 16: But it just looked like one of those really bad ones.

492
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Speaker 2: Have you been a press for them?

493
00:27:19,867 --> 00:27:21,547
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, yeah he was.

494
00:27:21,787 --> 00:27:22,987
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was really good.

495
00:27:23,027 --> 00:27:24,547
Speaker 16: I mean he came on that England test and he

496
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Speaker 16: just looked at home.

497
00:27:25,627 --> 00:27:26,387
Speaker 8: He looked so good.

498
00:27:26,427 --> 00:27:28,747
Speaker 16: But also, Noah, hope him looked pretty good yesterday too.

499
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Speaker 10: It is.

500
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so let's say let's say then I ask

501
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Speaker 2: you the same question. Let's say everybody's fit. Would you

502
00:27:36,227 --> 00:27:39,467
Speaker 2: agree with Cam roy Guard's number one when he's fit? Yes,

503
00:27:40,067 --> 00:27:42,107
Speaker 2: all right, so then off the bench. Then are you

504
00:27:42,187 --> 00:27:44,827
Speaker 2: going Ratima? Are you going a guy like Christy he's

505
00:27:44,867 --> 00:27:47,267
Speaker 2: a bit more rugged defensively, No, I hope them. I

506
00:27:47,267 --> 00:27:49,987
Speaker 2: think he's probably behind Ratima in terms of the pecking

507
00:27:50,027 --> 00:27:52,107
Speaker 2: order at the moment. Would you go roy Guard to Rattima?

508
00:27:53,427 --> 00:27:53,627
Speaker 10: Yeah?

509
00:27:53,747 --> 00:27:58,947
Speaker 16: Ratima? If he's fit, Yeah, yeah, and then yeah, I'm

510
00:27:58,947 --> 00:28:02,867
Speaker 16: thinking Noah, Hopem's gonna he's just going to get better

511
00:28:02,867 --> 00:28:06,587
Speaker 16: and better. I think he's just got to be given opportunities.

512
00:28:07,427 --> 00:28:08,867
Speaker 2: Mark out of ten for the all Blacks for the

513
00:28:08,867 --> 00:28:11,067
Speaker 2: first three tests.

514
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Speaker 16: Seven.

515
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Speaker 2: Good on your Lincoln, Good to chat to you. Thanks

516
00:28:15,667 --> 00:28:17,707
Speaker 2: for calling in. Please call back anytime. Oh eight hundred

517
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Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighties and number twenty two away from

518
00:28:20,067 --> 00:28:21,667
Speaker 2: one spere line if you want to jump aboard. We're

519
00:28:21,667 --> 00:28:24,267
Speaker 2: talking all blacks until one pick up on anything from

520
00:28:24,347 --> 00:28:27,067
Speaker 2: yesterday the first three test matches. Mark the all blacks

521
00:28:27,067 --> 00:28:28,387
Speaker 2: out of ten if you like, or give them a

522
00:28:28,467 --> 00:28:31,147
Speaker 2: grade if you prefer the B minor C plus. I'm

523
00:28:31,147 --> 00:28:33,387
Speaker 2: not the saying's a c plus things behind that. But

524
00:28:33,427 --> 00:28:35,147
Speaker 2: if you want to use the old school system, you

525
00:28:35,227 --> 00:28:37,147
Speaker 2: can anything you want to pick up on. Oh, eight

526
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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty back with more of your

527
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Speaker 2: calls after this one.

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529
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530
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Speaker 2: He be a lot of coming a lot of feedback

531
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Speaker 2: coming through on text, but let's get back to the lines.

532
00:28:54,467 --> 00:28:55,787
Speaker 2: I'll try and get to some of the texts in

533
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Speaker 2: a moment. Hello George, how are.

534
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Speaker 10: You very well?

535
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Speaker 6: Thank you piney ring you full of anticipation and excitement

536
00:29:03,187 --> 00:29:05,707
Speaker 6: before the first siest of the season down in Dunedin.

537
00:29:06,587 --> 00:29:09,187
Speaker 6: Like to be a callback after the first three games

538
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Speaker 6: of the season. Been very very impressed with what the

539
00:29:12,347 --> 00:29:14,347
Speaker 6: ad mix have shown so far this year. I kind

540
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Speaker 6: of wanted to just draw a bit of attention to

541
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Speaker 6: the mental toughness and fortitude and the last twenty minutes

542
00:29:20,787 --> 00:29:24,187
Speaker 6: of particularly the English matches. I think you know the

543
00:29:24,227 --> 00:29:27,227
Speaker 6: composure shown and that in those parts of the game.

544
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Speaker 6: He runs quick to talk to how well body went,

545
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Speaker 6: But I think across the board a lot of players

546
00:29:31,787 --> 00:29:34,427
Speaker 6: came on the bench and keept that composure, and it

547
00:29:34,427 --> 00:29:36,227
Speaker 6: can almost be a bit of a snowball effect. The

548
00:29:36,267 --> 00:29:39,027
Speaker 6: more you can win those games, the more you win them,

549
00:29:39,107 --> 00:29:42,267
Speaker 6: you know, and you kind of have that here we

550
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Speaker 6: go again moment at the sixty minute mark, and if

551
00:29:45,707 --> 00:29:47,387
Speaker 6: you've sort of been on the good end of a

552
00:29:47,387 --> 00:29:49,827
Speaker 6: few close ones, you sort of approach that last twenty

553
00:29:49,827 --> 00:29:52,187
Speaker 6: minutes or a lot of confidence. And equally on the

554
00:29:52,187 --> 00:29:55,387
Speaker 6: other foot, if you've let games slip in the last

555
00:29:55,387 --> 00:29:57,427
Speaker 6: twenty minutes, that can sort of feed on itself and

556
00:29:57,467 --> 00:30:00,707
Speaker 6: can become hard to get yourselves out of, as you

557
00:30:00,747 --> 00:30:02,507
Speaker 6: saw in the last few years. So I think that

558
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Speaker 6: will be the most pleasing aspect for Razors, how well

559
00:30:05,627 --> 00:30:09,627
Speaker 6: we've kind of con old and being composed and dominated

560
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Speaker 6: the last twenty minutes, would you agree, Pining, Yeah.

561
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you USh used to do that very well.

562
00:30:14,347 --> 00:30:16,227
Speaker 2: Was the Crusaders under Razor?

563
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Speaker 6: Exactly exactly? And I mean it even goes across sports.

564
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Speaker 6: So I mean when Australia had the water on us

565
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Speaker 6: in rugby and in the late nineties, I think that

566
00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:27,947
Speaker 6: was you know that that was that whole part of

567
00:30:27,987 --> 00:30:30,707
Speaker 6: the game. You just saw you knew it. Mentally you

568
00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,747
Speaker 6: knew it, and I wouldn't be surprised of you out

569
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Speaker 6: in the field as well. You kind of had that

570
00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:36,347
Speaker 6: r here we go again, here they come type of

571
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Speaker 6: moment and now really successful gonna city of sort of

572
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Speaker 6: twenty and eight to twenty fifteen. The amount of games

573
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Speaker 6: we won in the last fifteen to twenty minutes by

574
00:30:46,267 --> 00:30:49,947
Speaker 6: staying cool and calm and composed was unbelievable and it

575
00:30:49,987 --> 00:30:52,987
Speaker 6: can kind of feed off off it that sort of confidence.

576
00:30:53,027 --> 00:30:54,987
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think you dead right. Razor had that

577
00:30:55,147 --> 00:30:58,427
Speaker 6: going well with the Crusaders and looks pleasingly like it's

578
00:30:58,707 --> 00:31:00,427
Speaker 6: it's come into the warbricks environment.

579
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Speaker 2: Good man, George, are right good to put a bracket

580
00:31:02,747 --> 00:31:04,747
Speaker 2: around the first three. So give us a yell before

581
00:31:04,747 --> 00:31:08,907
Speaker 2: we play Argentina in our our hometown Wellington in mid August,

582
00:31:08,907 --> 00:31:12,987
Speaker 2: and we'll chat again there any mate, we'll do for sure,

583
00:31:13,347 --> 00:31:15,267
Speaker 2: we'll talk to it. Yeah, good on your George. Thanks.

584
00:31:15,307 --> 00:31:18,347
Speaker 2: I appreciate your call very much. Mark, what's on your

585
00:31:18,387 --> 00:31:19,987
Speaker 2: mind when you think about the All Blacks at the moment?

586
00:31:21,187 --> 00:31:24,147
Speaker 17: Thank you. Jason turn out of ten go to mighty

587
00:31:24,187 --> 00:31:28,187
Speaker 17: All Blacks. And for me personally, my rugby history since

588
00:31:28,187 --> 00:31:31,187
Speaker 17: the seventies has been one of the best journeys I

589
00:31:31,187 --> 00:31:33,747
Speaker 17: could have picked by myself, my personal strength and my

590
00:31:33,787 --> 00:31:37,347
Speaker 17: mental health. Thank you guys. And I had the privilege

591
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Speaker 17: actually popping into our neighbors and watching the old school

592
00:31:42,227 --> 00:31:45,707
Speaker 17: They've got a as every said, the history of news

593
00:31:45,747 --> 00:31:51,747
Speaker 17: of rugby with mister Matthew Roods whoa and yeah no,

594
00:31:51,947 --> 00:31:55,547
Speaker 17: and that World Cup twenty seventeen with those helicopters flying

595
00:31:55,587 --> 00:31:57,587
Speaker 17: over now and to here it was all isn't that red?

596
00:31:58,187 --> 00:32:00,547
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thanks Mark? Good stuff, mate, Well we might move

597
00:32:00,587 --> 00:32:05,547
Speaker 2: on to what's going on with the team at the moment. Hello, Michael, you.

598
00:32:05,427 --> 00:32:06,067
Speaker 10: Get out of mate.

599
00:32:07,347 --> 00:32:08,027
Speaker 18: I don't know what.

600
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Speaker 10: I don't know what everyone'saw on. I think we should

601
00:32:11,107 --> 00:32:14,627
Speaker 10: be worried. I was just listening to George there. George

602
00:32:14,627 --> 00:32:18,107
Speaker 10: is talking about our Raisin raised be proud about how

603
00:32:18,187 --> 00:32:21,387
Speaker 10: the All Blacks playing that those last twenty minutes, especially

604
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Speaker 10: against the English. You know, let's not you know, let's

605
00:32:25,067 --> 00:32:28,707
Speaker 10: not talk ourselves and to a place where we're confidence

606
00:32:28,827 --> 00:32:32,547
Speaker 10: going forward. Because those two first Test Test matches against

607
00:32:32,587 --> 00:32:36,547
Speaker 10: the English, we were really lucky to win. And if

608
00:32:36,547 --> 00:32:38,547
Speaker 10: we looked at the game plan that is not the

609
00:32:38,587 --> 00:32:41,987
Speaker 10: type of game plan you play against the English. Last

610
00:32:42,067 --> 00:32:44,587
Speaker 10: night's the g name, they had a lot more space.

611
00:32:44,707 --> 00:32:47,067
Speaker 10: That game plan worked well, which is the same game

612
00:32:47,107 --> 00:32:49,467
Speaker 10: plan they had for the two tests. It worked well

613
00:32:49,507 --> 00:32:51,467
Speaker 10: because the Figians stood off, they didn't have the rush

614
00:32:51,467 --> 00:32:56,187
Speaker 10: of defense. So you know, my worry, My worry is

615
00:32:58,067 --> 00:33:00,667
Speaker 10: we need we capt to rely on people like Voting

616
00:33:01,107 --> 00:33:03,147
Speaker 10: come off the bench and win the games for us

617
00:33:03,827 --> 00:33:06,907
Speaker 10: and their positions. We shouldn't be in being We shouldn't

618
00:33:06,907 --> 00:33:12,387
Speaker 10: be confident that Razor or Razors game plan is the

619
00:33:12,427 --> 00:33:15,507
Speaker 10: best game plan going forward, because to my mind, it's.

620
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Speaker 2: Not were we lucky against England? Were we lucky against England?

621
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Speaker 19: Michael?

622
00:33:20,027 --> 00:33:21,307
Speaker 2: Would that be the right adjective?

623
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Speaker 10: One hundred million billion percent? We were lucky, The English should

624
00:33:25,107 --> 00:33:27,307
Speaker 10: have won. Doesn't matter who you talked to that will

625
00:33:27,347 --> 00:33:29,907
Speaker 10: tell you that we were lucky to win that game.

626
00:33:29,947 --> 00:33:34,187
Speaker 10: The English were unlucky not to win it. And we've been,

627
00:33:34,227 --> 00:33:36,747
Speaker 10: you know, we've been. We've been in situations like that

628
00:33:37,267 --> 00:33:40,427
Speaker 10: plenty of times before over the years. But I always

629
00:33:40,547 --> 00:33:44,147
Speaker 10: felt confident, especially when you had your Richie mccause on

630
00:33:44,187 --> 00:33:46,667
Speaker 10: the park, that we could pull it back from the desk,

631
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Speaker 10: and when we did. There was no surprise.

632
00:33:50,707 --> 00:33:53,267
Speaker 2: See, I wasn't surprised. I wasn't I wasn't surprised. Actually,

633
00:33:53,387 --> 00:33:55,707
Speaker 2: I wasn't surprised. They pulled it back at Eton Park, Michael.

634
00:33:55,747 --> 00:33:59,067
Speaker 2: When when Boden Barrick came on, when when Courtiers Latimer, Well,

635
00:33:59,067 --> 00:34:01,387
Speaker 2: they were behind, they were behind. When when when Boden

636
00:34:01,387 --> 00:34:04,627
Speaker 2: Barrick came on, and when Courtiers Latimer came on and

637
00:34:04,827 --> 00:34:06,307
Speaker 2: they found the way in the last twenty minutes to

638
00:34:06,467 --> 00:34:09,387
Speaker 2: the game. So I'm not sure that was lucky.

639
00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:12,067
Speaker 10: I think when we when we look at it and

640
00:34:12,107 --> 00:34:13,747
Speaker 10: then we said to us, and when we look at

641
00:34:13,747 --> 00:34:15,867
Speaker 10: it and we say to ourselves, hey, the English playing

642
00:34:15,907 --> 00:34:19,987
Speaker 10: way better than us. You know, those first maybe twenty

643
00:34:20,027 --> 00:34:23,347
Speaker 10: thirty minutes, even after halftime, when the game plan didn't change,

644
00:34:23,547 --> 00:34:25,827
Speaker 10: we were behind. This is a game plan to go

645
00:34:25,947 --> 00:34:29,307
Speaker 10: and to go into after the first forty with a

646
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Speaker 10: game plan, come out of the come out of the

647
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Speaker 10: break with the same game plan. That's got to be

648
00:34:35,027 --> 00:34:38,747
Speaker 10: a game plan. There's no you know, somebody inside there

649
00:34:38,747 --> 00:34:40,547
Speaker 10: and said, hey, what we're doing. We just got to

650
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Speaker 10: trust in the systems. But I think eight people out

651
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Speaker 10: of ten watching it, maybe seven people out of ten

652
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Speaker 10: watching it. What have said the game plan isn't working,

653
00:34:48,227 --> 00:34:51,747
Speaker 10: we need to change and we did it, which is

654
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Speaker 10: fine if that's what the game plan is. My point

655
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Speaker 10: being that's not a good game plan. But that's you know,

656
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Speaker 10: that's just me. I'm not all back scenictor or anything

657
00:34:59,427 --> 00:34:59,747
Speaker 10: like that.

658
00:35:00,027 --> 00:35:02,267
Speaker 2: But then, well, your your opinion. Your opinion is as

659
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Speaker 2: valid as anybody's, especially on this show. We're all a

660
00:35:05,027 --> 00:35:08,347
Speaker 2: bad opinions lately. Please don't don't apologize for having a

661
00:35:08,347 --> 00:35:10,267
Speaker 2: different opinion than other people. Mate, I love it that

662
00:35:10,307 --> 00:35:12,667
Speaker 2: you're so invested in the team. Thanks for calling in man,

663
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Speaker 2: let's chat again. O good all the best oh eight

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighties our number, Jamie, how

665
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Speaker 2: do you feel about the All Blacks midfield at the moment?

666
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Speaker 2: What would you be doing in twelve and thirteen?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: Well, to be honest, I like him. I mean it's

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Speaker 20: a it's a bit different to what they've to put

670
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Speaker 20: up with against England with the rush defense, but I

671
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Speaker 20: person will personally like to see but he pot they've

672
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Speaker 20: been given more of a go at thirteen. I mean

673
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Speaker 20: nothing against Rico, but to me, he's to me, he's

674
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Speaker 20: still pretty much more or less a winger. I mean,

675
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Speaker 20: this defense is really good, but it's just a distribution.

676
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Speaker 20: Is probably probably that King of Wee bit. But then

677
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Speaker 20: and I was really encouraged what I saw of that

678
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Speaker 20: he put there yesterday. And I'm thinking with I mean, yeah,

679
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Speaker 20: once again, it didn't have it didn't have the pressure

680
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Speaker 20: of paying the rush defense that England employed. You stay obviously,

681
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Speaker 20: but I also like, you know, with someone like you know,

682
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Speaker 20: Jordi Barrett. You know, they've had a combination and super

683
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Speaker 20: Rugby or Antonin and Brown and sidem. I think that's

684
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Speaker 20: it could be the way going forward. That's that's what

685
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Speaker 20: I think anyway.

686
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the Jordi Barrett Billy Proctor combination. But

687
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Speaker 2: then again, Jamie, I'm a Hurricanes fan, so I'm gonna

688
00:36:26,547 --> 00:36:28,827
Speaker 2: like it. But I think it worked well for the Hurricanes.

689
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Speaker 2: But I think Billy Procter has shown enough to suggest

690
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Speaker 2: that he needs to be in the conversation. I guess

691
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Speaker 2: exactly as you've said. The discussion now is if Billy

692
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Speaker 2: Proctor was playing against England's rush defense, how would he

693
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Speaker 2: have looked. We'll never know the answer, but they've got

694
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Speaker 2: to try and predict now whether he can take a

695
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Speaker 2: step up against the likes of Argentina and particularly South Africa.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, and overall I give it about that, say the

698
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Speaker 20: season so for probably about six or seven. I think

699
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Speaker 20: there's still lots of room for improvement, like in the

700
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Speaker 20: line outs, in the in the midfield obviously as well.

701
00:37:02,947 --> 00:37:06,707
Speaker 20: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's it's it's a work

702
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Speaker 20: in progress at the stage in my opinion. Anyway, we'll

703
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Speaker 20: see how they go in the Rugby Championship.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Jamie of courtious seven from you, I think most

705
00:37:15,027 --> 00:37:18,827
Speaker 2: people would probably concur you know, three wins from three.

706
00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:21,827
Speaker 2: The main metric is the wins, right, And as Michael

707
00:37:21,867 --> 00:37:23,587
Speaker 2: said before, yes, I'm sure a lot of people thought,

708
00:37:23,627 --> 00:37:25,547
Speaker 2: you know, they were a bit lucky, if that's the

709
00:37:25,627 --> 00:37:29,107
Speaker 2: right word, or or perhaps you know, just had to

710
00:37:29,147 --> 00:37:32,027
Speaker 2: work a bit harder than we thought they might against England.

711
00:37:32,147 --> 00:37:35,627
Speaker 2: Having said that, I think most or most people who'd

712
00:37:35,907 --> 00:37:38,147
Speaker 2: watched a bit of England over the last twelve months

713
00:37:38,227 --> 00:37:40,067
Speaker 2: knew that they were going to present a big challenge

714
00:37:40,067 --> 00:37:42,067
Speaker 2: down here, and I'm pretty sure the All Blacks weren't

715
00:37:42,067 --> 00:37:44,627
Speaker 2: taking them lightly when they arrived. Ten to one News

716
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Speaker 2: Talks there'd be back after this.

717
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Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fail

718
00:37:51,307 --> 00:37:55,107
Speaker 1: weekend sport with Jason Vine News Talk zenby.

719
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Speaker 2: Seven to one time for a couple of quick ones

720
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Speaker 2: before we hit the news at one.

721
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Speaker 21: Get a fill, oh, I got a fighting at you

722
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Speaker 21: doing good?

723
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Speaker 2: Thank you mate?

724
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Speaker 21: A nice one. I've been making me live with no tea,

725
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Speaker 21: but I'll try and be quick.

726
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

727
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Speaker 21: I like what Laury Mayne said. I think raises on

728
00:38:11,747 --> 00:38:13,907
Speaker 21: the same sort of mindset and track with what he's

729
00:38:13,947 --> 00:38:17,227
Speaker 21: doing and where he's going. As to Laurie was back

730
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Speaker 21: in when he was preparing for that World Cup when

731
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Speaker 21: he first him and Curtain took over the All Blacks.

732
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Speaker 21: I liked the way you could say that we were

733
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Speaker 21: like against England, but I would say would rather say

734
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Speaker 21: that could have gone either way against England. But what

735
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Speaker 21: I liked about the games against England and Fig was

736
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Speaker 21: with England, you know, we toughed it out and ground

737
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Speaker 21: it out and got that win, even though it mightn't

738
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Speaker 21: have been pretty, but we toughed it and got it grounded,

739
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Speaker 21: grounded out, showed the fortituo and then with Fig we've

740
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Speaker 21: seen the Fler and the combination of Haing given a

741
00:38:52,947 --> 00:38:55,267
Speaker 21: bit more freedom, so we were able to see people

742
00:38:55,347 --> 00:38:59,027
Speaker 21: like Proper and let It Brown come together and do

743
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Speaker 21: their stuff. Interesting about the card you were saying, you

744
00:39:02,987 --> 00:39:05,667
Speaker 21: made a comment about there were no yellow cards or anything,

745
00:39:05,707 --> 00:39:08,987
Speaker 21: and I've seen on a sports thing with the the

746
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Speaker 21: sports news saying with the forwards don't touch that, that's

747
00:39:13,027 --> 00:39:16,347
Speaker 21: dirty ball. So again there's that discipline that he's going

748
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Speaker 21: to bring in, I think, which he's proven in three games. Yeah,

749
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Speaker 21: I think. Oh and one thing I would have loved

750
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Speaker 21: you to ask when you were talking to Lurry, and

751
00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:30,387
Speaker 21: I've tried to texting, was how the hell do we

752
00:39:30,467 --> 00:39:32,667
Speaker 21: beat that rush defense? You know that might come with

753
00:39:33,227 --> 00:39:35,587
Speaker 21: South Africa like England done to us and shut us

754
00:39:35,627 --> 00:39:39,827
Speaker 21: down real quick, you know, but definitely propped Cortez. And

755
00:39:39,907 --> 00:39:42,067
Speaker 21: also that lot that came on near the end of

756
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Speaker 21: the last ten minutes. Derry or Drury, I can't remember

757
00:39:44,387 --> 00:39:44,987
Speaker 21: his name.

758
00:39:45,307 --> 00:39:47,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sam Darry is his name. Yeah, he's another good one, Phil,

759
00:39:48,027 --> 00:39:49,467
Speaker 2: isn't he? I got to get to Mark Makee, but

760
00:39:49,507 --> 00:39:50,947
Speaker 2: good to Chety as alway. Yeah, I should have asked

761
00:39:50,987 --> 00:39:53,147
Speaker 2: Loaurie that he probably wouldn't tell us though, because it

762
00:39:53,227 --> 00:39:55,867
Speaker 2: might give a clues to the opposition.

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Speaker 5: Mark, I mate, yeah, but he's very quick made.

764
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Speaker 22: As much as I love Ricco, I think even though

765
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Speaker 22: he played against the team, he really didn't show up.

766
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Speaker 22: Is covin Ricco's to think about it. Hopefully he does

767
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Speaker 22: think about it and get back in there.

768
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Speaker 10: I'm out of ten.

769
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Speaker 8: At the moment.

770
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Speaker 22: I give the All Blacks a nine, but a quick

771
00:40:15,227 --> 00:40:18,307
Speaker 22: one on the other game, please, Jase and the Wallaby

772
00:40:18,347 --> 00:40:19,627
Speaker 22: still got made the problems.

773
00:40:19,947 --> 00:40:21,667
Speaker 10: They only beat Georgia to.

774
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Speaker 22: Me as a minnow side by eleven points.

775
00:40:24,827 --> 00:40:27,187
Speaker 2: Oh, I hope they still got problems, bug. I hope

776
00:40:27,187 --> 00:40:29,467
Speaker 2: they have because I want us to beat them and

777
00:40:29,667 --> 00:40:31,867
Speaker 2: retain the Bleader's Low Cup. Like I think Joe Schmitt's

778
00:40:31,867 --> 00:40:34,627
Speaker 2: early in his reign, isn't he as well and trying to,

779
00:40:34,667 --> 00:40:38,267
Speaker 2: you know, find the right combination. But like Razor, he's

780
00:40:38,307 --> 00:40:43,147
Speaker 2: three from three. Joe Schmitt certainly better than the previous bloke.

781
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Speaker 5: Four to one.

782
00:40:43,747 --> 00:40:46,387
Speaker 2: Couple of texts to finish finally won. You're talking about

783
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Speaker 2: Anton Lennet Brown. Fantastic game. I agree there, I agree.

784
00:40:50,867 --> 00:40:52,667
Speaker 2: I thought that Anton Lennep Brown had a very very

785
00:40:52,707 --> 00:40:55,587
Speaker 2: good game. I just wonder what his role to players

786
00:40:55,747 --> 00:40:57,867
Speaker 2: right as Anton Lennet Brown a is starting all black

787
00:40:58,107 --> 00:40:59,867
Speaker 2: could be. He wouldn't let you down if he was

788
00:41:00,307 --> 00:41:02,907
Speaker 2: in big games. It's just a matter of how Razor

789
00:41:03,227 --> 00:41:08,027
Speaker 2: now works out his best combination. Jordi, Barrett, Rico, Uwanni,

790
00:41:08,067 --> 00:41:10,787
Speaker 2: Anton Lennart Brown, Billy Proctor. He's got David Harveli to

791
00:41:10,827 --> 00:41:13,667
Speaker 2: come back as well, and even a guy like Quintupaya

792
00:41:13,827 --> 00:41:18,307
Speaker 2: is probably in that conversation. And a word for Ethan

793
00:41:18,347 --> 00:41:22,067
Speaker 2: Blackadder still wild and rugged, says this text. He certainly

794
00:41:22,187 --> 00:41:25,067
Speaker 2: is News at one and then Brian Stronach from New

795
00:41:25,147 --> 00:41:27,107
Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket.

796
00:41:27,667 --> 00:41:30,627
Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

797
00:41:30,707 --> 00:41:32,387
Speaker 1: on and after fields.

798
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Speaker 6: It's all on we jen Ford with.

799
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Speaker 1: Jason Vane on your home of sport or.

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Speaker 2: One seven.

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Speaker 22: Welcome.

802
00:41:41,787 --> 00:41:44,347
Speaker 2: Good to have your company this Sunday afternoon. Nice day

803
00:41:44,387 --> 00:41:46,107
Speaker 2: in the Capitol. I hope it's nice where you are

804
00:41:46,187 --> 00:41:50,587
Speaker 2: as well. The Olympic Games are rushing up, first action

805
00:41:50,987 --> 00:41:54,947
Speaker 2: involving New Zealand teams early hours of Thursday morning, New

806
00:41:55,067 --> 00:41:59,387
Speaker 2: Zealand time. Our seven's men are in action and our

807
00:41:59,907 --> 00:42:03,387
Speaker 2: Ollie Whites that's our men's football team. Both have matches

808
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Speaker 2: in the early hours of Thursday morning average on News

809
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Speaker 2: Talk shad B and gold Sport begins on Thursday and

810
00:42:11,227 --> 00:42:14,867
Speaker 2: goes right across the games of the thirty third olympiad

811
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Speaker 2: Walls wall coverage through the night on gold Sport and

812
00:42:19,267 --> 00:42:21,667
Speaker 2: the big events and all the reaction, et cetera covered

813
00:42:21,707 --> 00:42:24,067
Speaker 2: off on News Talk SHADB, so you don't need to

814
00:42:24,107 --> 00:42:26,947
Speaker 2: go very far. Are looking forward to being involved in

815
00:42:26,987 --> 00:42:32,467
Speaker 2: our commentary team actually alongside Elliott Smith, Nick Beuley, Malcolm Jordan,

816
00:42:32,547 --> 00:42:37,707
Speaker 2: Andrew Ordison and new boy Adam Cooper. What a team

817
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Speaker 2: to be alongside when the Olympics gets underway. Speaking of

818
00:42:42,907 --> 00:42:45,747
Speaker 2: after two, our Road to Paris feature has been really

819
00:42:45,787 --> 00:42:48,027
Speaker 2: popular these last couple of months as we've checked in

820
00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:52,107
Speaker 2: with some of our great Olympians from Games past, and

821
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Speaker 2: our final stop on the Road to Paris brings us

822
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Speaker 2: to twenty twelve in London where Sarah Walker became the

823
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Speaker 2: first and still the only New Zealander to win a

824
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Speaker 2: BMX medal at the Olympics. A silver for Sarah Walker

825
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Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. She's going to tell us all about

826
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Speaker 2: that after two and also Joseph Romanos on the show

827
00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:13,347
Speaker 2: this afternoon. He's about to head off to Paris. In fact,

828
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Speaker 2: I think he might be flying out today. He said

829
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Speaker 2: he poppin', so hopefully he'll keep his word. It'll be

830
00:43:18,907 --> 00:43:22,147
Speaker 2: his tenth straight Olympic Games. I think if I've done

831
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Speaker 2: the maths right, covering it in various forms as a journalist,

832
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Speaker 2: a broadcaster, in author, so Joseph Romanos before three o'clock

833
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:34,067
Speaker 2: as well, But between now and two I want to

834
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Speaker 2: talk some cricket. It might seem unseasonal, but an unhappy

835
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Speaker 2: tour of England for the White Ferns concluded on Thursday,

836
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Speaker 2: that will be all she wrote, an absolutely emphatic victory

837
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Speaker 2: for England over New Zealand that may well be back

838
00:43:52,227 --> 00:43:58,067
Speaker 2: they come. England have won the match and the series are.

839
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Speaker 23: A comprehensive series. Victory achieved by England over the White

840
00:44:03,747 --> 00:44:06,787
Speaker 23: Ferns in the air will be.

841
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Speaker 2: Taken by Captain.

842
00:44:07,907 --> 00:44:08,547
Speaker 5: Here the night.

843
00:44:10,827 --> 00:44:13,547
Speaker 2: Ray a keV picks up a wicked It has been

844
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Speaker 2: a morning from England.

845
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Speaker 23: Just beyond will it kick on?

846
00:44:17,707 --> 00:44:18,587
Speaker 2: Will it go for four?

847
00:44:18,667 --> 00:44:20,987
Speaker 23: Will it be the game for England? Jonas has made

848
00:44:21,027 --> 00:44:26,067
Speaker 23: a complete hash of it and has allowed England to

849
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Speaker 23: secure victory for the third match in.

850
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Speaker 1: A row our four to winn.

851
00:44:31,227 --> 00:44:33,987
Speaker 2: I think one day what fashion England might try and

852
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Speaker 2: chase this total.

853
00:44:35,227 --> 00:44:39,107
Speaker 3: Down and it will trickle away to the boundary to

854
00:44:39,147 --> 00:44:42,427
Speaker 3: secure a seventh wicket win for England.

855
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Speaker 2: Here at the Oval.

856
00:44:44,347 --> 00:44:47,747
Speaker 23: This the two hundred and twenty international for the England women.

857
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Speaker 23: Tidy stop from the skipper. There were two to finish

858
00:44:57,307 --> 00:44:59,827
Speaker 23: things off and it was comfortable in.

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Speaker 2: The end for England. So I feel like Groom listening there.

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Speaker 2: The White Phone's losing all three One Day internationals and

861
00:45:05,787 --> 00:45:09,707
Speaker 2: all far T twenty internationals on their tour of England.

862
00:45:10,067 --> 00:45:12,787
Speaker 2: Brian Stronach, as general manager of High Performance for New

863
00:45:12,907 --> 00:45:16,787
Speaker 2: Zealand Crickety, joins US now Brian eight matches, eight losses

864
00:45:16,787 --> 00:45:19,227
Speaker 2: for the White fans. How disappointed are you with that?

865
00:45:20,387 --> 00:45:23,147
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got it. I think the team's gut it

866
00:45:23,227 --> 00:45:26,187
Speaker 5: where gutter, The individuals are gutter that it's not where

867
00:45:26,227 --> 00:45:28,187
Speaker 5: we want to be as a team. But there's also

868
00:45:28,227 --> 00:45:32,387
Speaker 5: some realizations that we're a young, developing side that has

869
00:45:32,387 --> 00:45:36,747
Speaker 5: some incredible aspirations and and some extreme talent and it's

870
00:45:36,787 --> 00:45:39,587
Speaker 5: taking some time. But no, they're not the results that

871
00:45:39,627 --> 00:45:39,947
Speaker 5: we want.

872
00:45:40,467 --> 00:45:43,347
Speaker 2: Do you agree that results are the main metric? For

873
00:45:43,827 --> 00:45:44,947
Speaker 2: success for this team.

874
00:45:46,067 --> 00:45:48,467
Speaker 5: Yeah, at the end of the day, Yes, that's what

875
00:45:48,507 --> 00:45:50,947
Speaker 5: sport's about. You going out to win and lose. I

876
00:45:50,987 --> 00:45:54,147
Speaker 5: think some realization around where we are compared to the

877
00:45:54,147 --> 00:45:57,587
Speaker 5: rest of the world and understanding that, and we've got

878
00:45:57,627 --> 00:46:02,467
Speaker 5: some incredibly big goals that we want to achieve and

879
00:46:02,827 --> 00:46:06,027
Speaker 5: it's going to take some time to get there, but ultimately, yes,

880
00:46:06,067 --> 00:46:07,507
Speaker 5: that's that's what we're doing in sport.

881
00:46:08,227 --> 00:46:11,867
Speaker 2: What are the major planks in your improvement strategy for

882
00:46:11,907 --> 00:46:12,867
Speaker 2: the white films.

883
00:46:13,947 --> 00:46:18,387
Speaker 5: I think experience and I think depths of talent are

884
00:46:18,387 --> 00:46:21,947
Speaker 5: the two big things that we have clear plans around,

885
00:46:21,987 --> 00:46:26,627
Speaker 5: and we're working towards the more fulfilling and working towards

886
00:46:26,747 --> 00:46:29,707
Speaker 5: but ultimately they are the things where we've got to

887
00:46:29,747 --> 00:46:30,627
Speaker 5: improve and get better.

888
00:46:31,587 --> 00:46:34,907
Speaker 2: Is the our domestic women's competition strong enough to produce

889
00:46:35,507 --> 00:46:39,027
Speaker 2: the depth that you're after to be a competitive international side.

890
00:46:39,627 --> 00:46:42,027
Speaker 5: I think you've got to look at that wider than

891
00:46:42,107 --> 00:46:46,027
Speaker 5: just a domestic cricket system. If you look solely at that, no,

892
00:46:46,787 --> 00:46:50,507
Speaker 5: but we have a system below that which also includes

893
00:46:51,147 --> 00:46:53,827
Speaker 5: different programs and u L and a program on North

894
00:46:53,827 --> 00:46:57,827
Speaker 5: South program and so forth, and all that together I

895
00:46:57,867 --> 00:47:00,547
Speaker 5: think over time will The whole strategy here is we've

896
00:47:00,547 --> 00:47:03,907
Speaker 5: got some real young talent with our white friends, and

897
00:47:03,987 --> 00:47:06,787
Speaker 5: we are building that talent and they're growing, but we

898
00:47:06,907 --> 00:47:09,227
Speaker 5: don't want to be in this situation again, so we

899
00:47:09,307 --> 00:47:13,787
Speaker 5: have to build that system behind it so when these

900
00:47:13,827 --> 00:47:17,627
Speaker 5: players retire, we've got ready to go players behind them.

901
00:47:17,667 --> 00:47:20,227
Speaker 5: And that's the trap that we've fallen into in the past.

902
00:47:20,267 --> 00:47:21,107
Speaker 5: We haven't done that.

903
00:47:21,907 --> 00:47:24,747
Speaker 2: So that structure that exists behind the domestic competition as

904
00:47:24,787 --> 00:47:27,467
Speaker 2: well as the domestic competition. Once you get to that,

905
00:47:27,867 --> 00:47:30,627
Speaker 2: you believe that over time that will produce the depth

906
00:47:31,227 --> 00:47:32,787
Speaker 2: and the experience that you're after.

907
00:47:33,587 --> 00:47:35,787
Speaker 5: Over time, I think it will. I mean, we have

908
00:47:35,907 --> 00:47:38,947
Speaker 5: to do it so differently to some of the other

909
00:47:39,067 --> 00:47:41,627
Speaker 5: nations because we don't have the depth of talent, we

910
00:47:41,707 --> 00:47:45,867
Speaker 5: don't have the resource. However, that's non excuse. We still

911
00:47:45,907 --> 00:47:48,907
Speaker 5: believe that we can do it, even with those issues

912
00:47:48,947 --> 00:47:52,027
Speaker 5: that we've got to overcome, and yeah, I sincerely believe

913
00:47:52,107 --> 00:47:52,947
Speaker 5: we will get there.

914
00:47:53,507 --> 00:47:56,467
Speaker 2: So you said, then you said experience and depth. Can

915
00:47:56,507 --> 00:47:59,227
Speaker 2: you just unpack that for us a little bit, Brian,

916
00:47:59,307 --> 00:48:02,507
Speaker 2: the operational stuff behind that strategy.

917
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:08,787
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it is largely late development sports, so

918
00:48:08,987 --> 00:48:14,187
Speaker 5: it takes time to come through and develop and perform consistently,

919
00:48:14,427 --> 00:48:16,867
Speaker 5: and I think that's the key. Consistently at the highest

920
00:48:16,907 --> 00:48:21,027
Speaker 5: level for us. Talent can mean you can perform at times,

921
00:48:21,067 --> 00:48:25,027
Speaker 5: but performing consistently is the key, and that's our aspirations.

922
00:48:25,587 --> 00:48:28,267
Speaker 5: You need to learn from experience to do that. You

923
00:48:28,347 --> 00:48:30,147
Speaker 5: need to go through that, and there needs to be

924
00:48:30,387 --> 00:48:33,387
Speaker 5: pressure and enough players to pick from to be able

925
00:48:33,427 --> 00:48:36,187
Speaker 5: to do that. And that's what our strategy is largely

926
00:48:36,227 --> 00:48:37,867
Speaker 5: based on, is creating that.

927
00:48:38,267 --> 00:48:41,227
Speaker 2: When you say over time, it'll take time, that sort

928
00:48:41,227 --> 00:48:44,427
Speaker 2: of thing, what's at the time frame have you targeted?

929
00:48:46,387 --> 00:48:49,147
Speaker 5: So I look at the Black Captain where they've got

930
00:48:49,187 --> 00:48:54,227
Speaker 5: to and that took I reckon an essence ten years plus.

931
00:48:54,627 --> 00:48:56,347
Speaker 5: Now I don't want it to take that long for

932
00:48:56,387 --> 00:49:01,307
Speaker 5: the Watchings and our women's program in system, so we

933
00:49:01,347 --> 00:49:03,107
Speaker 5: want it to be quicker than that. But it will

934
00:49:03,147 --> 00:49:06,227
Speaker 5: take time. Now that doesn't give us an excuse though,

935
00:49:06,507 --> 00:49:09,987
Speaker 5: to not perform in between. We still want to go

936
00:49:10,027 --> 00:49:12,987
Speaker 5: to World Cups and win World Cups. We're just talking

937
00:49:12,987 --> 00:49:16,907
Speaker 5: about winning World Cups and peak events consistently is the goal.

938
00:49:17,827 --> 00:49:20,947
Speaker 2: What improvements or progress have you seen under Ben Sawyer

939
00:49:21,027 --> 00:49:21,747
Speaker 2: as head coach.

940
00:49:23,267 --> 00:49:25,107
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of improvements. I look at our

941
00:49:25,147 --> 00:49:28,627
Speaker 5: bowling unit and how they're consistently performing. I look at

942
00:49:28,627 --> 00:49:32,267
Speaker 5: the individuals around batting at times and how they're improving

943
00:49:32,307 --> 00:49:35,747
Speaker 5: and performing. It's just not at the level where we

944
00:49:35,787 --> 00:49:37,507
Speaker 5: need it to be to compete with the best at

945
00:49:37,507 --> 00:49:40,227
Speaker 5: the moment, and that's the critical thing that we hold

946
00:49:40,267 --> 00:49:41,227
Speaker 5: people accountable to.

947
00:49:41,907 --> 00:49:44,947
Speaker 2: So you hold Ben Sawyer accountable to the results of the.

948
00:49:44,947 --> 00:49:49,027
Speaker 5: Side, to players getting better, which the results of the

949
00:49:49,067 --> 00:49:49,987
Speaker 5: size is part of.

950
00:49:50,707 --> 00:49:53,227
Speaker 2: But main metric though as results, isn't it, Brian, We

951
00:49:53,307 --> 00:49:55,307
Speaker 2: said that before. You know, the White fans and the

952
00:49:55,307 --> 00:49:59,027
Speaker 2: Black camps job is to win cricket matches, right, Yeah,

953
00:49:59,067 --> 00:49:59,587
Speaker 2: over time.

954
00:49:59,707 --> 00:50:03,987
Speaker 5: So I don't agree that the sole metric is winning games,

955
00:50:03,987 --> 00:50:07,027
Speaker 5: because that does give us indications around how we're progressing

956
00:50:07,067 --> 00:50:09,347
Speaker 5: and so forth. But if you put some of our

957
00:50:09,347 --> 00:50:12,947
Speaker 5: players and their experience and their development opportunities up against

958
00:50:12,987 --> 00:50:16,107
Speaker 5: some of those players, they don't compete. So it's not

959
00:50:16,427 --> 00:50:18,147
Speaker 5: solely on winning and losing, but.

960
00:50:18,067 --> 00:50:19,027
Speaker 10: That is a big part of it.

961
00:50:19,147 --> 00:50:21,987
Speaker 2: Yes, do you back Ben Sawyer as White Ferns coach.

962
00:50:22,747 --> 00:50:25,667
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're backing. We've got a World Cup just around

963
00:50:25,667 --> 00:50:29,827
Speaker 5: the corner. We're backing them fully towards that World Cup.

964
00:50:30,867 --> 00:50:35,907
Speaker 2: Are you open to being innovative, to trying different things

965
00:50:35,747 --> 00:50:37,387
Speaker 2: as you seek improvement.

966
00:50:38,707 --> 00:50:41,347
Speaker 5: I think we have to, especially through the system and

967
00:50:41,427 --> 00:50:44,307
Speaker 5: through the team. And I think that's some criticism that

968
00:50:44,467 --> 00:50:46,987
Speaker 5: can be pointed at us at times, that we can

969
00:50:47,027 --> 00:50:49,787
Speaker 5: be a bit stubborn around what we're doing. But yes,

970
00:50:49,867 --> 00:50:51,827
Speaker 5: I agree with you that we've got to be open

971
00:50:51,907 --> 00:50:53,027
Speaker 5: to doing new things.

972
00:50:53,507 --> 00:50:56,867
Speaker 2: How worried are you that because the white fans have

973
00:50:56,947 --> 00:50:59,467
Speaker 2: got a lot of fans, A lot of New Zealand

974
00:50:59,467 --> 00:51:01,747
Speaker 2: cricket fans are fans of the Black Apps and of

975
00:51:01,787 --> 00:51:04,267
Speaker 2: the White Ferns, they support their domestic men's and women's

976
00:51:04,267 --> 00:51:06,707
Speaker 2: sides equally. I live and willing to and I love

977
00:51:06,747 --> 00:51:09,107
Speaker 2: watching the Blaze as much as I like watching the Firebirds.

978
00:51:09,987 --> 00:51:14,107
Speaker 2: How worried are you that apathy might set in among

979
00:51:14,267 --> 00:51:15,627
Speaker 2: the women's fan base.

980
00:51:17,907 --> 00:51:22,267
Speaker 5: Well, the good thing is, at the moment, I agree

981
00:51:22,267 --> 00:51:25,267
Speaker 5: with you, we've got a great fan base who care

982
00:51:25,467 --> 00:51:28,227
Speaker 5: a lot, and they say it's not good enough when

983
00:51:28,267 --> 00:51:32,267
Speaker 5: we're not performing, which is tough. That I agree is

984
00:51:32,347 --> 00:51:34,987
Speaker 5: a really good thing. It drives us and it holds

985
00:51:35,027 --> 00:51:38,147
Speaker 5: us accountable. I think the biggest thing that we can

986
00:51:38,187 --> 00:51:40,547
Speaker 5: do is just show that improvement and show.

987
00:51:40,347 --> 00:51:41,547
Speaker 8: That we're working towards it.

988
00:51:41,627 --> 00:51:43,267
Speaker 10: And are the results of.

989
00:51:43,187 --> 00:51:46,347
Speaker 5: This to a good enough to show that, No they're not,

990
00:51:46,787 --> 00:51:50,067
Speaker 5: but behind the scenes that we're pushing towards that massively.

991
00:51:51,507 --> 00:51:53,867
Speaker 2: Are you optimistic about that improvement, Brian, because I look

992
00:51:53,907 --> 00:51:57,427
Speaker 2: back to the you know, the series against Pakistan back

993
00:51:57,467 --> 00:52:01,987
Speaker 2: in December, you know over in South Africa in October,

994
00:52:02,347 --> 00:52:04,147
Speaker 2: back to the last T twenty World Cup when the

995
00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:07,587
Speaker 2: side didn't make the semi finals. Are you are you

996
00:52:07,667 --> 00:52:10,027
Speaker 2: optimistic that improvement will come?

997
00:52:11,147 --> 00:52:13,627
Speaker 5: Yeah? I am optimistic around our systems and our team

998
00:52:13,707 --> 00:52:16,787
Speaker 5: moving board. I yep. Those results are not where we

999
00:52:16,787 --> 00:52:20,227
Speaker 5: want them to be, but yes, I'm incredibly optimistic around

1000
00:52:20,307 --> 00:52:22,627
Speaker 5: where the white fans and woman's cricket in New Zealande

1001
00:52:22,707 --> 00:52:23,187
Speaker 5: can get to.

1002
00:52:23,587 --> 00:52:24,107
Speaker 16: Definitely.

1003
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:26,067
Speaker 2: Do you have a performance target in place for the

1004
00:52:26,067 --> 00:52:27,707
Speaker 2: next T twenty World Cup in October?

1005
00:52:29,027 --> 00:52:29,907
Speaker 5: A performance target?

1006
00:52:29,987 --> 00:52:30,187
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1007
00:52:30,267 --> 00:52:31,987
Speaker 5: I mean our intention is to go out and try

1008
00:52:31,987 --> 00:52:35,787
Speaker 5: and win it. That's that's ultimately. Like I said, we

1009
00:52:35,867 --> 00:52:37,987
Speaker 5: have a long term strategy around the white fans. That

1010
00:52:38,187 --> 00:52:41,027
Speaker 5: doesn't give us the excuse to go out and not perform.

1011
00:52:41,267 --> 00:52:43,387
Speaker 5: So we are trying to go to that World Cup.

1012
00:52:43,267 --> 00:52:43,627
Speaker 10: And win it.

1013
00:52:44,107 --> 00:52:45,747
Speaker 2: So what if I was to give you a call

1014
00:52:45,787 --> 00:52:48,147
Speaker 2: in November and nothing's changed, what.

1015
00:52:48,227 --> 00:52:53,067
Speaker 5: Then, well, nothing changed changes, then we would have to

1016
00:52:53,067 --> 00:52:57,067
Speaker 5: make some changes. And ultimately I'm accountable for the performance

1017
00:52:57,107 --> 00:52:59,187
Speaker 5: of this team and moving in the right direction. So

1018
00:52:59,267 --> 00:53:02,787
Speaker 5: that's the critical piece where we've got to ensure things

1019
00:53:02,867 --> 00:53:05,627
Speaker 5: keep changing and moving forward. And I'm, like.

1020
00:53:05,547 --> 00:53:07,387
Speaker 16: I said before, incredibly optimistic.

1021
00:53:07,387 --> 00:53:08,187
Speaker 8: Are on that all right?

1022
00:53:08,187 --> 00:53:09,627
Speaker 2: Well that was going to be my last question. So

1023
00:53:09,747 --> 00:53:13,587
Speaker 2: optimism remains your your main emotion around the White Ferns,

1024
00:53:13,587 --> 00:53:16,187
Speaker 2: even despite what's happened in the last month or so

1025
00:53:16,267 --> 00:53:17,147
Speaker 2: in England.

1026
00:53:18,707 --> 00:53:22,827
Speaker 5: Optimism and disappointment. There's no hiding behind the fact that

1027
00:53:22,867 --> 00:53:26,987
Speaker 5: we wanted to succeed better in England. But I'm not

1028
00:53:27,187 --> 00:53:29,387
Speaker 5: losing faith in the fact that we're improving and can

1029
00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:30,547
Speaker 5: improve and blow improach.

1030
00:53:30,867 --> 00:53:33,227
Speaker 2: All right, Brian, appreciate you taking the time for a chat.

1031
00:53:33,467 --> 00:53:36,227
Speaker 2: Brian Strounich head to HiPE performance at New Zealand Cricket.

1032
00:53:36,227 --> 00:53:36,387
Speaker 10: There.

1033
00:53:36,467 --> 00:53:39,787
Speaker 2: I am really keen on your feedback on this, oh,

1034
00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:42,667
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and just before we

1035
00:53:42,707 --> 00:53:45,267
Speaker 2: open the lines or as we do, let's try and

1036
00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:50,907
Speaker 2: be solutions based here in trying to improve the consistency

1037
00:53:51,347 --> 00:53:54,467
Speaker 2: of the white ferns. Where should we be focusing our

1038
00:53:54,507 --> 00:53:57,547
Speaker 2: attention now? First and foremost, it seems to me that

1039
00:53:57,747 --> 00:54:02,307
Speaker 2: our domestic competition, the women's one, simply doesn't prepare our

1040
00:54:02,347 --> 00:54:06,307
Speaker 2: players for international cricket. There are a couple of side

1041
00:54:06,467 --> 00:54:10,547
Speaker 2: that dominate domestic women's cricket, but the overall standard of

1042
00:54:10,587 --> 00:54:16,907
Speaker 2: the comp is simply too far below international cricket. Scoring

1043
00:54:16,947 --> 00:54:19,707
Speaker 2: lots of runs and taking lots of wickets domestically in

1044
00:54:19,827 --> 00:54:23,427
Speaker 2: New Zealand is not a good indicator as to whether

1045
00:54:23,467 --> 00:54:28,987
Speaker 2: a plier is ready to contribute consistently at international level

1046
00:54:29,027 --> 00:54:34,387
Speaker 2: because the gap is currently far too big between the two. Now,

1047
00:54:34,387 --> 00:54:38,667
Speaker 2: if you think about the best elite sporting structures that

1048
00:54:38,827 --> 00:54:45,947
Speaker 2: support an international side, the best ones create competition for

1049
00:54:46,067 --> 00:54:51,587
Speaker 2: places in the national side, the realization and crystal clear

1050
00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:54,867
Speaker 2: knowledge that if you do not perform, there is someone

1051
00:54:55,067 --> 00:54:58,307
Speaker 2: just waiting to take your place and take their chance.

1052
00:54:58,987 --> 00:55:01,387
Speaker 2: And that simply doesn't exist right now. And that in

1053
00:55:01,427 --> 00:55:04,467
Speaker 2: no way says that the players who are there don't

1054
00:55:04,507 --> 00:55:07,067
Speaker 2: care because they know they can't get dropped. I'm not

1055
00:55:07,187 --> 00:55:11,427
Speaker 2: for a second suggesting there is complacency among our top

1056
00:55:11,547 --> 00:55:14,347
Speaker 2: White Ferns players, and I am not for a second

1057
00:55:14,347 --> 00:55:16,467
Speaker 2: suggesting that they are not trying as hard as they can,

1058
00:55:17,107 --> 00:55:23,787
Speaker 2: but it's a simple fact that competition for places increases performance. Now,

1059
00:55:23,787 --> 00:55:26,467
Speaker 2: Brian Stronik talked there about addressing that not only the

1060
00:55:26,507 --> 00:55:29,507
Speaker 2: Supersmash and the Halliburd and Johnston Shield, our two domestic comps,

1061
00:55:29,507 --> 00:55:32,587
Speaker 2: but the age group competitions and creating a bigger pool

1062
00:55:32,627 --> 00:55:34,827
Speaker 2: of talent. But the word he used the most often

1063
00:55:35,347 --> 00:55:41,827
Speaker 2: was time. It takes time, unfortunately, and the instant gratification

1064
00:55:41,907 --> 00:55:44,107
Speaker 2: and results driven business of elite sport, you're not always

1065
00:55:44,107 --> 00:55:47,747
Speaker 2: afforded that time. And as I said to Brian, the

1066
00:55:47,787 --> 00:55:50,067
Speaker 2: worst thing that could happen here is for apathy to

1067
00:55:50,147 --> 00:55:53,827
Speaker 2: set in in the White Ferns fan base, especially the

1068
00:55:53,987 --> 00:55:57,747
Speaker 2: discretionary fan base, those fans who will make a decision

1069
00:55:59,467 --> 00:56:02,667
Speaker 2: on various factors as to whether they'll follow aside or not.

1070
00:56:04,107 --> 00:56:05,947
Speaker 2: They'll take an interest and invest in a side they

1071
00:56:05,987 --> 00:56:09,107
Speaker 2: sees make progress and is backed by an organization with

1072
00:56:09,187 --> 00:56:12,187
Speaker 2: a constant search for improvement. Now, my gut feel is

1073
00:56:12,227 --> 00:56:14,467
Speaker 2: that isn't how New Zealand sports fans feel about the

1074
00:56:14,507 --> 00:56:17,067
Speaker 2: White fans right now. They are very much on the

1075
00:56:17,107 --> 00:56:20,347
Speaker 2: fence about watching them or not. And there's only one

1076
00:56:20,427 --> 00:56:23,027
Speaker 2: thing worse than not performing and not progressing, and that

1077
00:56:23,107 --> 00:56:28,787
Speaker 2: is becoming irrelevant. No sport can afford to become irrelevant. Oh,

1078
00:56:28,787 --> 00:56:31,987
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighties our number nine two ninety two.

1079
00:56:32,027 --> 00:56:34,307
Speaker 2: If you would prefer to send a text hello, Brian.

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00:56:35,347 --> 00:56:41,947
Speaker 18: Yes, arternoon Jason. I saw a little clip of the

1081
00:56:43,187 --> 00:56:46,627
Speaker 18: women's cricket team batting. I forget who the person was,

1082
00:56:46,707 --> 00:56:53,267
Speaker 18: but they were standing outside their leg and the mow

1083
00:56:53,467 --> 00:56:57,307
Speaker 18: was outside the off and they just stood in one place, Jason,

1084
00:56:57,427 --> 00:57:01,227
Speaker 18: and sort of tried to swat the ball and I thought,

1085
00:57:01,507 --> 00:57:05,867
Speaker 18: my god, that's not how you play cricket. And another thing,

1086
00:57:05,907 --> 00:57:10,787
Speaker 18: I heard Craig coming speak the other day Jason about

1087
00:57:10,907 --> 00:57:13,667
Speaker 18: what he would do if he was in charge, and

1088
00:57:13,747 --> 00:57:20,147
Speaker 18: he said, I would put Sophie Divine in with Suiti

1089
00:57:20,267 --> 00:57:24,067
Speaker 18: Bits because of the way she can hit, so he

1090
00:57:24,147 --> 00:57:29,227
Speaker 18: can hit sixes. And while the power plays on and

1091
00:57:29,267 --> 00:57:34,587
Speaker 18: there's less players out in the outfield, that's where you

1092
00:57:34,627 --> 00:57:40,787
Speaker 18: should get try and get most of your runs. And look, Jason,

1093
00:57:41,587 --> 00:57:46,467
Speaker 18: they're getting paid very well, I hear, and they are

1094
00:57:46,507 --> 00:57:48,667
Speaker 18: just not beforming.

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00:57:49,387 --> 00:57:51,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure they're getting paid that well, Brian.

1096
00:57:51,107 --> 00:57:52,747
Speaker 2: I'm not sure they're getting paid that well for paying

1097
00:57:52,747 --> 00:57:55,147
Speaker 2: for New Zealand. The ones who are playing the T

1098
00:57:55,147 --> 00:57:58,547
Speaker 2: twenty competitions, the likes of Sophie Devine, Melely Kerr and others,

1099
00:57:58,587 --> 00:58:00,507
Speaker 2: are getting paid well there, but I'm not sure that

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00:58:00,507 --> 00:58:02,587
Speaker 2: the others are getting paid that well for playing for

1101
00:58:02,627 --> 00:58:04,067
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Just on the batting, I mean, a lot

1102
00:58:04,067 --> 00:58:06,587
Speaker 2: of male players take a guard outside leag stumper, you.

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00:58:06,547 --> 00:58:12,707
Speaker 18: Know, Brien, Yes I have, but this looked so bad, Jason,

1104
00:58:13,347 --> 00:58:16,667
Speaker 18: like trying to swatch some fly that was outside. They

1105
00:58:16,747 --> 00:58:20,987
Speaker 18: just didn't move their feets and that is a result

1106
00:58:21,067 --> 00:58:24,867
Speaker 18: of perhaps the coaching is not coaching them correctly, or

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00:58:25,507 --> 00:58:28,907
Speaker 18: whether the players just can't adapt to what the coaches

1108
00:58:28,947 --> 00:58:31,747
Speaker 18: are telling them. But it's very disappointing for an old

1109
00:58:31,787 --> 00:58:34,227
Speaker 18: fellow like myself who've seen a little bit in this day.

1110
00:58:34,987 --> 00:58:38,907
Speaker 18: And I'll still support, but I want to see results.

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00:58:39,427 --> 00:58:42,147
Speaker 2: Good Man, No, thank you, Brian, good to chet to you.

1112
00:58:42,307 --> 00:58:44,347
Speaker 2: It's not just disappointing for those who've been around for

1113
00:58:44,427 --> 00:58:46,627
Speaker 2: a while like you and I, Brian. I think everybody

1114
00:58:46,627 --> 00:58:48,427
Speaker 2: wants to see results, and I think you're ded right.

1115
00:58:48,467 --> 00:58:50,987
Speaker 2: We all want to support the White fots. I don't

1116
00:58:50,987 --> 00:58:53,947
Speaker 2: think there's any suggestion that we don't want to support

1117
00:58:54,227 --> 00:58:57,147
Speaker 2: one of our national teams. We would just love to

1118
00:58:57,187 --> 00:59:01,187
Speaker 2: see some improvements and results. Just on Sophie Devine opening

1119
00:59:01,187 --> 00:59:04,947
Speaker 2: the batting, I'm a big fan of that too. This tour,

1120
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Speaker 2: they decid that Georgia Plimmer would open the batting with

1121
00:59:08,267 --> 00:59:10,867
Speaker 2: Susie Bates. It didn't seem to work on the face

1122
00:59:10,907 --> 00:59:14,147
Speaker 2: of things as far as the volume of runs was concerned.

1123
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Speaker 2: I agree. I like Sophie Divine at the top, especially

1124
00:59:17,387 --> 00:59:19,947
Speaker 2: in T twenty where you can go at it during

1125
00:59:19,947 --> 00:59:25,787
Speaker 2: the powerplay. Have a look at some of these texts

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00:59:25,787 --> 00:59:30,187
Speaker 2: coming through here. There's a gender difference in KPI is

1127
00:59:30,267 --> 00:59:34,787
Speaker 2: evident here, says this text from Aiden. For male cricket teams,

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00:59:34,787 --> 00:59:37,587
Speaker 2: outcomes are the priority metric for the Ferns. It's more

1129
00:59:37,627 --> 00:59:42,987
Speaker 2: about skills development on innovation. Foundational skills and fitness are

1130
00:59:43,067 --> 00:59:46,827
Speaker 2: essential before innovating. Players need to learn the trade, before

1131
00:59:46,907 --> 00:59:50,027
Speaker 2: learning the tricks of the trade. Things aden interesting text,

1132
00:59:50,747 --> 00:59:55,787
Speaker 2: interesting text, Like I say, it's I think all we

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00:59:55,827 --> 01:00:00,067
Speaker 2: want to see is progress, and I think that there

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01:00:00,107 --> 01:00:04,707
Speaker 2: has to be some questions around whether there's been any

1135
01:00:04,707 --> 01:00:07,707
Speaker 2: of that under Ben Sawyer. He himself, I'm sure would

1136
01:00:07,707 --> 01:00:11,227
Speaker 2: admit that under his coaching the results have not improved,

1137
01:00:11,947 --> 01:00:13,787
Speaker 2: certainly not as much as he would have hoped they did.

1138
01:00:14,347 --> 01:00:16,427
Speaker 2: We're not to take over just before the Commonwealth Games

1139
01:00:16,427 --> 01:00:19,187
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two from memory, where one bronze there

1140
01:00:19,307 --> 01:00:22,547
Speaker 2: in the women's T twenty. Since then it hasn't been

1141
01:00:22,947 --> 01:00:28,707
Speaker 2: a steady increase in performance or results. Really, can you

1142
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Speaker 2: get your thoughts? Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1143
01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:32,307
Speaker 2: nine two nine to two on text it's one twenty

1144
01:00:32,307 --> 01:00:33,267
Speaker 2: six on us TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: You'd be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred

1146
01:00:37,587 --> 01:00:42,387
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason him and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

1147
01:00:42,587 --> 01:00:45,867
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News TALKSB.

1148
01:00:45,987 --> 01:00:47,987
Speaker 2: One twenty nine talking the white ferns, which I've been

1149
01:00:48,027 --> 01:00:49,227
Speaker 2: keen to do for a while and there's been a

1150
01:00:49,267 --> 01:00:51,427
Speaker 2: bit of an appetite for it to chat about it.

1151
01:00:51,987 --> 01:00:55,387
Speaker 2: I see there have been sections of the sporting public

1152
01:00:55,427 --> 01:00:58,427
Speaker 2: who have basically said, look, you know, nobody's questioning the

1153
01:00:58,427 --> 01:01:00,307
Speaker 2: white ferns, so we were keen to do it today

1154
01:01:00,667 --> 01:01:02,867
Speaker 2: to get Brian Stronick on and have a chat to him.

1155
01:01:03,067 --> 01:01:06,627
Speaker 2: Hebes are texts coming through which I'm going to get to,

1156
01:01:06,707 --> 01:01:08,427
Speaker 2: but the lines are open on it at eight hundred

1157
01:01:08,787 --> 01:01:11,707
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Let's get some texts. Chris Pintly, what

1158
01:01:11,787 --> 01:01:13,707
Speaker 2: the hell's this guy talking about? That results are only

1159
01:01:13,747 --> 01:01:17,187
Speaker 2: part of the metrics. Ask India or Australia or England

1160
01:01:17,627 --> 01:01:20,227
Speaker 2: if winning is their priority. There's a big problem with

1161
01:01:20,267 --> 01:01:22,387
Speaker 2: New Zealand Cricket if they think this team is improving.

1162
01:01:22,427 --> 01:01:25,827
Speaker 2: If we didn't have the curse sisters Sophie Devine, Susie

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01:01:25,827 --> 01:01:27,947
Speaker 2: Bates and occasionally lead to who who would lose every

1164
01:01:27,947 --> 01:01:29,547
Speaker 2: match for years to come as the young ones are

1165
01:01:29,547 --> 01:01:31,867
Speaker 2: just not up to it unfortunately, and that has to

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01:01:31,907 --> 01:01:35,867
Speaker 2: be coaching. Surely the coach can work on their technical deficiencies.

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01:01:36,547 --> 01:01:42,187
Speaker 2: Thanks Chris. This one from an unnamed person says Jason.

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01:01:42,227 --> 01:01:43,987
Speaker 2: I think it's too late for apathy, but I feel

1169
01:01:43,987 --> 01:01:46,787
Speaker 2: like they can still arrest it for starters, blow up

1170
01:01:46,827 --> 01:01:49,787
Speaker 2: the Supersmash competition and start again, have it over a

1171
01:01:49,827 --> 01:01:52,347
Speaker 2: shorter period of time and have New Zealand Cricket and

1172
01:01:52,347 --> 01:01:54,467
Speaker 2: Ben Sawyer sit down with the coaches of the teams

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01:01:54,747 --> 01:01:58,467
Speaker 2: and divide the best players across all teams. Having the

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01:01:58,467 --> 01:02:01,067
Speaker 2: White Ferns mainly playing out of Wellington is great for Wellington,

1175
01:02:01,187 --> 01:02:03,147
Speaker 2: not for the rest of the country. Need to make

1176
01:02:03,187 --> 01:02:06,307
Speaker 2: the Super Smash a development game. Also, simple things like fitness,

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01:02:06,387 --> 01:02:13,267
Speaker 2: some body shape and size are vital to performance. Shocking

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01:02:13,307 --> 01:02:16,387
Speaker 2: comment that cricket that winning is not important. Says this one.

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01:02:16,667 --> 01:02:18,387
Speaker 2: Of course, it is for fans, for sponsors and for

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Speaker 2: attracting people to the game. Get a Piney, says Mike.

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Speaker 2: The White Ferns, I think we coach them like they

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01:02:23,627 --> 01:02:26,587
Speaker 2: are men. We should coach them to play timing based shots,

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01:02:26,627 --> 01:02:32,347
Speaker 2: not strength based shots. Same for the bowling. Thanks Mike Piney,

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01:02:32,427 --> 01:02:34,787
Speaker 2: says Alex. Cricket has very quickly become a game of

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01:02:34,827 --> 01:02:37,747
Speaker 2: haves v have not given the golf and finances between

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01:02:37,747 --> 01:02:39,587
Speaker 2: the big three nations and the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: This will happen to every nation that isn't India, Australia

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Speaker 2: or England. Interesting comment, Alex sues, says Pinta. Do you

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Speaker 2: denote that Brian Strounik said when the players retire, not

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Speaker 2: when they don't perform well enough for the team.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Interesting little in a phrase. Oh one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is our number. Lots coming through on text.

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Speaker 2: I get the feeling that people have been wanting to

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Speaker 2: say some stuff here and there's a lot of quite

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Speaker 2: long texts coming through on this. We'll take another break,

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Speaker 2: come back and yeah, I just want to unpick whether

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Speaker 2: we can we can drive a bit of a few

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Speaker 2: of this text out because there's some quite interesting stuff

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Speaker 2: being said. I wanted to take another break. It's twenty

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Speaker 2: eight away from two. We're back after this on Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason

1203
01:03:32,347 --> 01:03:36,987
Speaker 1: Vine and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder, News.

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01:03:36,747 --> 01:03:39,507
Speaker 2: Talks News Talks B twenty five to two.

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Speaker 24: Hello Ellen, Yeah, Hi Jason, how are you good?

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01:03:43,187 --> 01:03:43,427
Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 10: Mate?

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01:03:44,707 --> 01:03:44,867
Speaker 9: Hey.

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Speaker 24: This was probably a clash between the the desire to

1210
01:03:53,547 --> 01:03:58,067
Speaker 24: make everyone feel good and the hard realities of trying

1211
01:03:58,107 --> 01:04:04,347
Speaker 24: to compete in a sport where you've got firebagger budgets

1212
01:04:04,587 --> 01:04:07,547
Speaker 24: and the results count more than how good you feel.

1213
01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:15,427
Speaker 24: And so the cricket powers that be need to focus

1214
01:04:15,467 --> 01:04:18,467
Speaker 24: on proper coaching and the players that are on contract

1215
01:04:18,547 --> 01:04:20,627
Speaker 24: need to be made well aware that that's part of

1216
01:04:20,667 --> 01:04:27,347
Speaker 24: the requirement too, to learn how to play, you know,

1217
01:04:27,667 --> 01:04:30,707
Speaker 24: proper shots, and then learn how to innovate from that

1218
01:04:30,747 --> 01:04:33,587
Speaker 24: once they've got their defensive based organized, because if you

1219
01:04:33,587 --> 01:04:37,747
Speaker 24: look at all of those wickets that the White Friends

1220
01:04:38,067 --> 01:04:43,067
Speaker 24: give away over the last two or three years in particular,

1221
01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:47,627
Speaker 24: they're all due to lack of foot movement, lack of technique,

1222
01:04:47,907 --> 01:04:50,947
Speaker 24: and they're just blindly hitting in the hope that they'll

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Speaker 24: get a result. And you know, that's just not good enough.

1224
01:04:55,867 --> 01:04:58,907
Speaker 24: If you've been paid to play the game, you know,

1225
01:04:58,987 --> 01:05:01,627
Speaker 24: that's what You've only got one job to do, you know,

1226
01:05:02,267 --> 01:05:05,387
Speaker 24: if you're a bad person, and that's the school runs.

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Speaker 2: So it's a coaching thing for you, Ellen, Well, I

1228
01:05:09,507 --> 01:05:09,747
Speaker 2: think it.

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Speaker 24: I think the players, I'm not saying they've got the

1230
01:05:12,747 --> 01:05:15,667
Speaker 24: wrong attitude or anything, but I think that they need

1231
01:05:15,707 --> 01:05:18,507
Speaker 24: to be made aware of what the expectations are and

1232
01:05:18,547 --> 01:05:22,067
Speaker 24: whether that's what you call KPIs or whether it's what

1233
01:05:22,107 --> 01:05:25,667
Speaker 24: you call what's in their contract. You know, if you're

1234
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,787
Speaker 24: a if you're a batsman, you know you're opening the

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01:05:28,827 --> 01:05:31,747
Speaker 24: bat sort of thing. You need to score runs. You know,

1236
01:05:31,787 --> 01:05:33,947
Speaker 24: you should be told this has been your average, this

1237
01:05:34,067 --> 01:05:38,027
Speaker 24: is what we expect you to do, and they should

1238
01:05:38,027 --> 01:05:39,747
Speaker 24: be focusing on the goals around that.

1239
01:05:40,427 --> 01:05:42,227
Speaker 2: Do you not think that's happening? Do you not think

1240
01:05:42,227 --> 01:05:44,907
Speaker 2: that's happening. Wouldn't you imagine that's not happening.

1241
01:05:45,627 --> 01:05:50,547
Speaker 24: I don't know who would not obviously not, because if

1242
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:55,307
Speaker 24: if it wasn't if it was happening, then they've either

1243
01:05:55,347 --> 01:05:57,747
Speaker 24: got really really low targets, or they're not taking any

1244
01:05:57,787 --> 01:05:58,747
Speaker 24: notice of them.

1245
01:05:58,787 --> 01:06:00,547
Speaker 2: The problem to strike Ellen is that is that who

1246
01:06:00,547 --> 01:06:01,947
Speaker 2: do you bring in? That's the thing. And I think

1247
01:06:02,027 --> 01:06:04,827
Speaker 2: the depth is the thing. I think these are our best,

1248
01:06:05,227 --> 01:06:07,147
Speaker 2: These are our best, These are best player. I don't

1249
01:06:07,147 --> 01:06:09,947
Speaker 2: think there's you couldn't look around and say, actually, there's

1250
01:06:09,987 --> 01:06:12,067
Speaker 2: about half a dozen players who should be in there.

1251
01:06:12,107 --> 01:06:14,027
Speaker 2: And as it goes to the point that I mentioned before,

1252
01:06:14,027 --> 01:06:17,427
Speaker 2: and that building depth creates competition, which creates better performance,

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01:06:17,707 --> 01:06:20,147
Speaker 2: there just isn't that. I think every player in that

1254
01:06:20,227 --> 01:06:24,867
Speaker 2: team knows what their job is. Do they Well, I'm

1255
01:06:24,867 --> 01:06:27,667
Speaker 2: sure they do their professional they're professional sports people. I'm

1256
01:06:27,707 --> 01:06:29,427
Speaker 2: sure if you spoke to I'm sure if you spoke

1257
01:06:29,507 --> 01:06:33,467
Speaker 2: to an opening batsman in any grade of cricket, they

1258
01:06:33,467 --> 01:06:35,187
Speaker 2: would know that their job was to score runs.

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Speaker 24: Well, I obviously don't know that winning is part of

1260
01:06:38,347 --> 01:06:41,427
Speaker 24: their role because New Zealand Cricket are happy with them

1261
01:06:41,467 --> 01:06:41,947
Speaker 24: not winning.

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01:06:42,307 --> 01:06:44,147
Speaker 2: Well, didn't sound like Brian Stronich was that happy.

1263
01:06:45,147 --> 01:06:49,547
Speaker 24: Well, how about then they're getting coaches that can coach technique,

1264
01:06:50,987 --> 01:06:54,707
Speaker 24: you know, and because you know, if you take Seas

1265
01:06:54,867 --> 01:07:01,187
Speaker 24: Divine and the Cursisters and cz Bates out, you know

1266
01:07:01,267 --> 01:07:07,307
Speaker 24: you've just got club players with their attitude and obviously

1267
01:07:07,347 --> 01:07:10,267
Speaker 24: with their techniques. Well, something's got to change because you

1268
01:07:10,307 --> 01:07:14,187
Speaker 24: can't expect to turn up at every game with the

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01:07:14,227 --> 01:07:17,107
Speaker 24: way they're going and expect a different outcome if you're

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Speaker 24: not making changes yourself.

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Speaker 2: Good point, Ellen, No, I think that's and again I

1272
01:07:21,987 --> 01:07:27,107
Speaker 2: think that's any sportsperson would feel that way. I don't

1273
01:07:27,107 --> 01:07:30,107
Speaker 2: think there's any coasting going on here, I really don't.

1274
01:07:30,507 --> 01:07:32,587
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anybody in that team who isn't

1275
01:07:32,827 --> 01:07:35,387
Speaker 2: looking at the stat sheets from what happened in England

1276
01:07:35,907 --> 01:07:39,307
Speaker 2: with anything other than a real disappointment of what they've produced.

1277
01:07:42,547 --> 01:07:46,027
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any any doubt that these players

1278
01:07:46,067 --> 01:07:50,147
Speaker 2: want to be playing better and getting better results. It's

1279
01:07:50,187 --> 01:07:53,987
Speaker 2: just a matter of how that has achieved. I honestly,

1280
01:07:54,227 --> 01:07:56,987
Speaker 2: as I said, before. I think it comes back to

1281
01:07:57,107 --> 01:08:01,627
Speaker 2: the domestic competition, the base from which these players are chosen,

1282
01:08:04,907 --> 01:08:10,307
Speaker 2: because without without the depth, then you know there's no

1283
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Speaker 2: competition for places. There is simply no, there's no one

1284
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Speaker 2: to take those places. If you know what I mean.

1285
01:08:17,787 --> 01:08:21,107
Speaker 2: You look at Australian men's cricket. If you don't get

1286
01:08:21,147 --> 01:08:23,427
Speaker 2: runs in Australian men's cricket on the international side, you

1287
01:08:23,427 --> 01:08:30,307
Speaker 2: know that there's a dozen players playing Sheffield Shield if

1288
01:08:30,307 --> 01:08:32,147
Speaker 2: it's still called that over there, who already got ten

1289
01:08:32,187 --> 01:08:38,587
Speaker 2: thousand first class runs? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eight?

1290
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Speaker 2: Hello sus oh hi.

1291
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Speaker 25: Honey, we love this show. We were just going to

1292
01:08:46,187 --> 01:08:48,587
Speaker 25: ask you who do you think Chees as.

1293
01:08:48,547 --> 01:08:49,267
Speaker 10: The coach.

1294
01:08:51,267 --> 01:08:55,027
Speaker 2: The board would be in charge of that, Yeah.

1295
01:08:54,867 --> 01:08:59,587
Speaker 25: Because it appears to us that as the cof the

1296
01:08:59,667 --> 01:09:03,747
Speaker 25: players are all cozy and happy with the coach that

1297
01:09:03,827 --> 01:09:07,587
Speaker 25: they would ask for him to stay. Now, I've ever

1298
01:09:07,627 --> 01:09:11,907
Speaker 25: heard of a New Zealand team any code before that

1299
01:09:12,427 --> 01:09:16,267
Speaker 25: someone comes on from the board or you know, from

1300
01:09:16,267 --> 01:09:18,467
Speaker 25: the management and said, oh no, no, no, it's not

1301
01:09:18,547 --> 01:09:21,107
Speaker 25: all about winning. Does he have the same attitude with

1302
01:09:21,147 --> 01:09:22,147
Speaker 25: the Black Caps? Does he?

1303
01:09:22,747 --> 01:09:25,707
Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. I kind of think he

1304
01:09:25,787 --> 01:09:29,307
Speaker 2: was almost not misquoted necessarily there, So I'm not sure

1305
01:09:29,347 --> 01:09:30,987
Speaker 2: he got his point across as I don't think he

1306
01:09:31,067 --> 01:09:32,947
Speaker 2: was saying it doesn't matter if we want to lose.

1307
01:09:33,147 --> 01:09:36,347
Speaker 2: I really don't think that's what he meant. I think

1308
01:09:36,627 --> 01:09:38,667
Speaker 2: he was saying it was part of the it was

1309
01:09:38,747 --> 01:09:41,827
Speaker 2: part of the overall equation. I think I think most

1310
01:09:41,867 --> 01:09:43,947
Speaker 2: of us would be happy with, you know, with with

1311
01:09:44,107 --> 01:09:46,707
Speaker 2: some ups and downs, as long as we saw progress.

1312
01:09:47,107 --> 01:09:48,867
Speaker 2: And I'm just not sure we're saying. I'm just not

1313
01:09:48,907 --> 01:09:49,707
Speaker 2: sure we're seeing that.

1314
01:09:50,587 --> 01:09:52,547
Speaker 25: No, is Bob Carter still part of it?

1315
01:09:53,387 --> 01:09:55,707
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he's not Ben Sawyers the coach.

1316
01:09:55,827 --> 01:09:59,947
Speaker 25: Now, yes, yeah that's right, But I think, yeah, yeah,

1317
01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:02,627
Speaker 25: we do need to see progress, don't we. But thank

1318
01:10:02,667 --> 01:10:04,827
Speaker 25: you very much, Paney, Thank.

1319
01:10:04,707 --> 01:10:06,067
Speaker 2: You, so it's great to chat to you. Yeah, the

1320
01:10:06,067 --> 01:10:08,947
Speaker 2: board are in charge of selecting coaches as far as

1321
01:10:09,027 --> 01:10:14,307
Speaker 2: I know they well, or actually what happens as they say,

1322
01:10:14,387 --> 01:10:17,627
Speaker 2: right we need a new coach. They run a recruitment process,

1323
01:10:18,627 --> 01:10:22,707
Speaker 2: A recruiting company usually runs that process for them, and

1324
01:10:22,747 --> 01:10:25,027
Speaker 2: then a member or members of the board are part

1325
01:10:25,067 --> 01:10:28,227
Speaker 2: of the recruitment panel. So yeah, so really it's a

1326
01:10:28,227 --> 01:10:31,507
Speaker 2: board thing. I'm pretty sure that's how the coach has

1327
01:10:31,587 --> 01:10:35,947
Speaker 2: chosen heaps of text. Let's get to some of these, Jason.

1328
01:10:35,987 --> 01:10:38,027
Speaker 2: We won't start seeing results from the white fans until

1329
01:10:38,027 --> 01:10:40,507
Speaker 2: we address the lack of depth in the women's game,

1330
01:10:40,547 --> 01:10:43,907
Speaker 2: not enough girls playing between ages fifteen and twenty three.

1331
01:10:44,147 --> 01:10:47,387
Speaker 2: They've addressed the lack of financial resources, so that will

1332
01:10:47,387 --> 01:10:50,467
Speaker 2: go some way to incentifize girls to get into the

1333
01:10:50,507 --> 01:10:53,067
Speaker 2: game and stick with it. The New Zealand public needs

1334
01:10:53,067 --> 01:10:56,267
Speaker 2: to remember that England and Australia started their professionalism journey

1335
01:10:56,627 --> 01:10:58,867
Speaker 2: some ten years ago and the results are showing. Give

1336
01:10:58,907 --> 01:11:01,347
Speaker 2: them time and be part of the solution. Thank you.

1337
01:11:04,707 --> 01:11:08,667
Speaker 2: What's the succession plan for when they drop or retire?

1338
01:11:08,707 --> 01:11:11,947
Speaker 2: The underperforming players have? New Zealand Cricket got talent scouts

1339
01:11:11,947 --> 01:11:19,947
Speaker 2: out there like rugby and rugby league. Well, again, you

1340
01:11:19,987 --> 01:11:22,467
Speaker 2: can only choose what you have at your disposal. You

1341
01:11:22,507 --> 01:11:25,067
Speaker 2: can only choose the players who are there sixty six

1342
01:11:25,107 --> 01:11:27,267
Speaker 2: players at any given time they're playing domestic cricket in

1343
01:11:27,307 --> 01:11:30,787
Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's the same with the men's but only

1344
01:11:30,867 --> 01:11:33,587
Speaker 2: sixty six are playing at any one time. Six prominces

1345
01:11:33,587 --> 01:11:36,187
Speaker 2: eleven players. Let's take the squads out to say fifteen,

1346
01:11:36,347 --> 01:11:40,027
Speaker 2: you've got ninety players to choose from. The essue we

1347
01:11:40,067 --> 01:11:43,147
Speaker 2: have with the New Zealand women's game is that once

1348
01:11:43,147 --> 01:11:47,107
Speaker 2: you get below the top dozen players, you're getting towards

1349
01:11:47,107 --> 01:11:49,507
Speaker 2: players who just simply aren't good enough to make the

1350
01:11:49,507 --> 01:11:54,627
Speaker 2: step up, either through coaching or ability or both. The

1351
01:11:54,747 --> 01:11:58,467
Speaker 2: poll just isn't there. Brian Stronich talked about increasing the poll,

1352
01:12:00,347 --> 01:12:02,467
Speaker 2: making sure there is great a depth, and yes it

1353
01:12:02,547 --> 01:12:05,747
Speaker 2: does take time, but maybe it does come back to you.

1354
01:12:05,747 --> 01:12:09,187
Speaker 2: You know you the argument that Allen made about coaching,

1355
01:12:10,267 --> 01:12:12,627
Speaker 2: there are some good domestic coaches around. I know Lance

1356
01:12:12,707 --> 01:12:15,787
Speaker 2: Dry and Luke Woodcock at the Wellington Blaze have done

1357
01:12:16,147 --> 01:12:22,467
Speaker 2: terrific stuff with that team. They've worked hard on aspects

1358
01:12:22,507 --> 01:12:26,507
Speaker 2: that in the past have perhaps been ignored or not

1359
01:12:26,587 --> 01:12:29,707
Speaker 2: focused on, like fielding, for example. You watch the way

1360
01:12:29,747 --> 01:12:31,707
Speaker 2: the Wellington Blaze and I hate to keep using them

1361
01:12:31,707 --> 01:12:33,267
Speaker 2: as an example, but they are the team that's in

1362
01:12:33,267 --> 01:12:35,587
Speaker 2: my backyard and I've watched them play a lot. The

1363
01:12:35,627 --> 01:12:40,587
Speaker 2: way they field is far and away better than well

1364
01:12:40,667 --> 01:12:42,747
Speaker 2: we used to see in the women's game. But why

1365
01:12:42,747 --> 01:12:45,147
Speaker 2: should it be different than the men's game. Why shouldn't

1366
01:12:45,187 --> 01:12:48,947
Speaker 2: you be as good a catcher and ground fielder just

1367
01:12:48,947 --> 01:12:55,667
Speaker 2: because you're female. There's no reason. Hey Richard, good, good,

1368
01:12:55,707 --> 01:12:56,027
Speaker 2: thank you.

1369
01:12:58,067 --> 01:13:01,507
Speaker 26: Look I just a general thought I've had And I've

1370
01:13:01,547 --> 01:13:05,227
Speaker 26: just looked at the white ferns during the World Cup

1371
01:13:05,267 --> 01:13:09,307
Speaker 26: and the you know, the cricket and football, and I

1372
01:13:09,347 --> 01:13:11,467
Speaker 26: generally think you're hitting the nail on the head. Yes,

1373
01:13:11,547 --> 01:13:15,427
Speaker 26: you don't have that bigger thought to choose from. Two

1374
01:13:15,427 --> 01:13:18,667
Speaker 26: things have struck me. One is that women generally don't

1375
01:13:18,667 --> 01:13:21,067
Speaker 26: look fit enough in either of it, in the soccer

1376
01:13:21,227 --> 01:13:23,907
Speaker 26: or the cricket. They just don't look fit, and that

1377
01:13:24,347 --> 01:13:26,947
Speaker 26: it's a big start. Secondly, I think when they're talking

1378
01:13:26,947 --> 01:13:29,787
Speaker 26: about developing talent that I think in what needs to

1379
01:13:29,827 --> 01:13:32,827
Speaker 26: be some incentive in the high schools to have the

1380
01:13:32,907 --> 01:13:36,227
Speaker 26: girls playing with the boys mixed teams all the way through,

1381
01:13:36,747 --> 01:13:40,507
Speaker 26: even if they have to do a financial incentive, because

1382
01:13:40,547 --> 01:13:42,227
Speaker 26: that's how the girls to fill up their skills. We

1383
01:13:42,227 --> 01:13:45,507
Speaker 26: don't have enough in the country to get a good

1384
01:13:45,547 --> 01:13:48,787
Speaker 26: competitive lead going. We actually need to tap into what

1385
01:13:49,067 --> 01:13:51,747
Speaker 26: god which a boy's playing and get the girls to

1386
01:13:51,747 --> 01:13:53,827
Speaker 26: play with them. Yes, they might not be able to

1387
01:13:53,827 --> 01:13:56,587
Speaker 26: bowl as faster or it's as far, or kick a

1388
01:13:56,627 --> 01:13:59,147
Speaker 26: ball as faster as far, but at least they're learning

1389
01:13:59,227 --> 01:14:02,427
Speaker 26: to do it, learning what's required, learning the speed that

1390
01:14:02,427 --> 01:14:04,667
Speaker 26: they have to get to. And I'm sure you'll see

1391
01:14:04,667 --> 01:14:08,747
Speaker 26: a bigger improvement just or something like that, rather than

1392
01:14:08,827 --> 01:14:11,227
Speaker 26: just waiting for our adults and then trying to tune

1393
01:14:11,267 --> 01:14:14,267
Speaker 26: them up to be international. So all these other countries

1394
01:14:14,347 --> 01:14:16,907
Speaker 26: they do it from the age of five or ten.

1395
01:14:17,787 --> 01:14:18,787
Speaker 26: We're way behind.

1396
01:14:20,107 --> 01:14:24,107
Speaker 2: So mix mixed, so mixing of that. So yeah, and

1397
01:14:24,387 --> 01:14:26,267
Speaker 2: I love Richard, and I like the idea. And I know,

1398
01:14:26,587 --> 01:14:29,187
Speaker 2: for example, merely Kerr played in the played in the

1399
01:14:29,187 --> 01:14:33,027
Speaker 2: first eleven, you know, the boys first eleven during secondary

1400
01:14:33,027 --> 01:14:34,587
Speaker 2: school and clearly she might be a bit of an

1401
01:14:34,627 --> 01:14:37,587
Speaker 2: outlier in terms of her talent and ability, but it

1402
01:14:37,667 --> 01:14:41,427
Speaker 2: obviously helped her playing against boys as she was coming

1403
01:14:41,467 --> 01:14:42,987
Speaker 2: up through her teenage years.

1404
01:14:43,827 --> 01:14:46,707
Speaker 26: Well, even if it's only second eleven or you know,

1405
01:14:46,907 --> 01:14:49,747
Speaker 26: third eleven, it doesn't matter about playing with that. They're

1406
01:14:49,787 --> 01:14:53,547
Speaker 26: getting that higher level of competition and they know what

1407
01:14:53,627 --> 01:14:56,387
Speaker 26: they have to compete because when you go to a

1408
01:14:56,427 --> 01:14:59,507
Speaker 26: country that's got sixty million people there and they've got

1409
01:14:59,547 --> 01:15:03,387
Speaker 26: women playing cricket or football, they've got a messive player

1410
01:15:03,387 --> 01:15:05,667
Speaker 26: base and there will be a lot more persentage wise

1411
01:15:05,707 --> 01:15:08,227
Speaker 26: that have sit as stronger and faster. So if to

1412
01:15:08,347 --> 01:15:10,627
Speaker 26: get the girls accustomed to playing with that right at

1413
01:15:10,627 --> 01:15:13,707
Speaker 26: the start, they know what they have to do. It's

1414
01:15:13,707 --> 01:15:14,267
Speaker 26: not a shock.

1415
01:15:15,907 --> 01:15:20,627
Speaker 2: Thanks Richard, interesting thoughts. I think it feels to me

1416
01:15:20,667 --> 01:15:24,267
Speaker 2: the fitness one isn't isn't an issue. I think, you know, again,

1417
01:15:24,427 --> 01:15:26,907
Speaker 2: at elite level, these players have all got the ability

1418
01:15:26,987 --> 01:15:29,867
Speaker 2: to know to be fit. If we're talking about, you know,

1419
01:15:30,267 --> 01:15:34,227
Speaker 2: physically fit, good stamina, that sort of thing, able to

1420
01:15:34,227 --> 01:15:36,907
Speaker 2: deal with the rigors of playing professional sport. I don't

1421
01:15:36,907 --> 01:15:40,707
Speaker 2: think there is a fitness issue here. I really don't. Again,

1422
01:15:40,827 --> 01:15:46,467
Speaker 2: at the risk of repeating myself, you can only fish

1423
01:15:46,987 --> 01:15:52,547
Speaker 2: from the size of the pond at your disposal. There

1424
01:15:52,587 --> 01:15:57,627
Speaker 2: are only so many players available to play for New Zealand,

1425
01:16:00,027 --> 01:16:04,307
Speaker 2: in England, in Australia in particular those two countries, there

1426
01:16:04,347 --> 01:16:08,587
Speaker 2: are a lot more so, as Brian Stronik pointed out,

1427
01:16:08,627 --> 01:16:10,587
Speaker 2: And I have to say, I don't think Brian made

1428
01:16:10,627 --> 01:16:14,467
Speaker 2: too many excuses. Really. He said, we don't have the depth,

1429
01:16:14,747 --> 01:16:17,907
Speaker 2: we don't have the experience. Over time, we would like

1430
01:16:17,987 --> 01:16:22,427
Speaker 2: to build it. So but then he also said that's

1431
01:16:22,427 --> 01:16:25,947
Speaker 2: no excuse for not getting results. Along the way, I

1432
01:16:25,987 --> 01:16:30,427
Speaker 2: think if we knew what the plan was, and maybe

1433
01:16:30,467 --> 01:16:33,147
Speaker 2: that's what Brian was telling us. The plan is to

1434
01:16:33,187 --> 01:16:36,747
Speaker 2: improve the domestic competition, to improve the under nineteen, the

1435
01:16:37,227 --> 01:16:41,067
Speaker 2: b competition, to have more girls playing cricket at a

1436
01:16:41,067 --> 01:16:44,347
Speaker 2: younger age and sticking with it through their teenage years,

1437
01:16:44,387 --> 01:16:48,187
Speaker 2: and building a bigger base making the game attractive, that

1438
01:16:48,307 --> 01:16:52,987
Speaker 2: depth will be built. The unfortunate counterpoint to that is

1439
01:16:53,107 --> 01:16:58,387
Speaker 2: that we all as youngsters want heroes to aspire to

1440
01:16:58,427 --> 01:16:59,907
Speaker 2: be like, and yes, there are some of those in

1441
01:16:59,907 --> 01:17:01,947
Speaker 2: the White Ference, but if there were more and they

1442
01:17:01,947 --> 01:17:04,547
Speaker 2: were winning more often, then you get more kids playing,

1443
01:17:04,587 --> 01:17:06,747
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And it's a it's your self

1444
01:17:06,787 --> 01:17:07,627
Speaker 2: fulfilling prophecy.

1445
01:17:09,107 --> 01:17:12,787
Speaker 13: Hello, Chris, Yeah, good Piney, Hey a couple of things. Hey,

1446
01:17:12,827 --> 01:17:14,707
Speaker 13: I was over in England when for about five of

1447
01:17:14,747 --> 01:17:16,947
Speaker 13: those matches, I didn't go to watch them, but I

1448
01:17:17,187 --> 01:17:19,707
Speaker 13: was over there. But I mean the cricket riders wrapped

1449
01:17:19,707 --> 01:17:24,027
Speaker 13: for the Eros and them in the in the British tabloids.

1450
01:17:24,107 --> 01:17:26,067
Speaker 13: You know, absolutely they just didn't hold back.

1451
01:17:26,547 --> 01:17:30,067
Speaker 2: And neither they should. Neither they should, Chris, Neither they should.

1452
01:17:30,147 --> 01:17:32,547
Speaker 2: I mean, this is elite sport. After all, and you know,

1453
01:17:33,067 --> 01:17:34,787
Speaker 2: neither they should be holding back. I saw a bit

1454
01:17:34,787 --> 01:17:37,027
Speaker 2: of that commentary as well. You know some of the

1455
01:17:37,027 --> 01:17:40,027
Speaker 2: postmatch comments saying they were very disappointed with the with

1456
01:17:40,107 --> 01:17:42,227
Speaker 2: the lack of competition that England got from New Zealand.

1457
01:17:42,267 --> 01:17:44,947
Speaker 2: Two are on the face of it, better than they

1458
01:17:44,987 --> 01:17:45,787
Speaker 2: showed in England.

1459
01:17:47,547 --> 01:17:50,827
Speaker 13: Yeah, and and and and it reflected what they said

1460
01:17:50,827 --> 01:17:53,707
Speaker 13: to reflect on crowd numbers. You know, there was less

1461
01:17:53,707 --> 01:17:55,787
Speaker 13: and less going to each game when you've got past

1462
01:17:55,827 --> 01:17:59,387
Speaker 13: the first four losses. And the other thing. Look, the

1463
01:17:59,467 --> 01:18:01,667
Speaker 13: other thing I reckon this starts right back from when

1464
01:18:01,707 --> 01:18:03,827
Speaker 13: Amy south away, when they had a baby and she

1465
01:18:03,987 --> 01:18:07,387
Speaker 13: expected to be captain again and they didn't reinstate her

1466
01:18:07,387 --> 01:18:11,427
Speaker 13: and then ultimately she had meant she had much what

1467
01:18:11,547 --> 01:18:14,627
Speaker 13: Sophie Divine and Susie Bates have to offer, and they

1468
01:18:14,627 --> 01:18:16,587
Speaker 13: should never have let her go. Never let it go.

1469
01:18:16,667 --> 01:18:21,907
Speaker 2: What do you think, well, she I think Amy Sattathwaite

1470
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:24,787
Speaker 2: is a was a terrific cricketer for New Zealand. So yeah,

1471
01:18:24,787 --> 01:18:26,587
Speaker 2: I agree with you. If she wanted to play for

1472
01:18:26,627 --> 01:18:29,707
Speaker 2: New Zealand, then I think she probably should have been retained.

1473
01:18:29,867 --> 01:18:32,467
Speaker 2: Look at lea to who is another one they didn't

1474
01:18:32,467 --> 01:18:34,747
Speaker 2: give her a contract either, and then they were not forced,

1475
01:18:34,787 --> 01:18:36,027
Speaker 2: but they had to go back to her because they

1476
01:18:36,027 --> 01:18:38,307
Speaker 2: were sort of fast bowlers, and all of a sudden

1477
01:18:38,347 --> 01:18:40,307
Speaker 2: she showed us just exactly what she could do. Yeah.

1478
01:18:40,347 --> 01:18:43,747
Speaker 2: I don't think Amy Sattathwaite was ready to retire. I

1479
01:18:43,787 --> 01:18:45,947
Speaker 2: don't know that for a fact, but it seemed like

1480
01:18:45,987 --> 01:18:49,107
Speaker 2: a bit of a forced exit for her. Well again,

1481
01:18:49,987 --> 01:18:53,427
Speaker 2: yeah you were true. Yeah, yeah, you're right. Actually, but

1482
01:18:53,467 --> 01:18:55,947
Speaker 2: again it's a matter of finding that balance, isn't it

1483
01:18:56,347 --> 01:18:59,907
Speaker 2: every team that needs to regenerate. And yeah, hindsight has

1484
01:18:59,907 --> 01:19:05,187
Speaker 2: probably shown that that that was a misinformed decision to

1485
01:19:05,507 --> 01:19:06,027
Speaker 2: let her go.

1486
01:19:07,107 --> 01:19:08,707
Speaker 13: Yeah. And the other thing is Jason, just one of

1487
01:19:08,707 --> 01:19:10,667
Speaker 13: our thing before I first is I mean, man, this

1488
01:19:10,787 --> 01:19:12,267
Speaker 13: was supposed to be a build up to give us

1489
01:19:13,147 --> 01:19:15,427
Speaker 13: let us perform in the twenty twenty World Cup.

1490
01:19:15,747 --> 01:19:15,947
Speaker 5: Four.

1491
01:19:16,587 --> 01:19:20,667
Speaker 13: Well we've got I mean, fig Oh, we're in the

1492
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Speaker 13: bottom three and now we're in the bottom three and

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01:19:24,147 --> 01:19:24,707
Speaker 13: what we used.

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01:19:24,547 --> 01:19:27,547
Speaker 2: To be about four Yeah, I don't Well, yeah, whether

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01:19:27,627 --> 01:19:29,347
Speaker 2: or not we're in the bottom three, it doesn't feel

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01:19:29,347 --> 01:19:31,507
Speaker 2: like we're in the top four. Chris. Which is the

1497
01:19:31,547 --> 01:19:34,187
Speaker 2: way that Women's Tea twenty World Cup works two pools

1498
01:19:34,187 --> 01:19:35,987
Speaker 2: of five, got to make the top two in your

1499
01:19:36,027 --> 01:19:40,587
Speaker 2: pool to make the semi finals. Yeah, they didn't make

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01:19:40,627 --> 01:19:43,947
Speaker 2: it last time in South Africa. I would hope that

1501
01:19:43,987 --> 01:19:46,427
Speaker 2: they would on their day. And someone made the point

1502
01:19:46,467 --> 01:19:48,827
Speaker 2: here on text before and I just am scrolling through

1503
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:51,427
Speaker 2: the dozens of texts we're getting on this. So it's

1504
01:19:51,467 --> 01:19:53,867
Speaker 2: great to know that there is emotional investment in this

1505
01:19:53,947 --> 01:19:57,347
Speaker 2: team saying that we have the base of a good team.

1506
01:19:58,027 --> 01:20:00,267
Speaker 2: You know, you look at at Sophie Devine and Susie

1507
01:20:00,267 --> 01:20:04,707
Speaker 2: Bates have been two of the best performing international cricketers

1508
01:20:04,747 --> 01:20:08,507
Speaker 2: over a long period of time, and even their scores

1509
01:20:08,547 --> 01:20:11,667
Speaker 2: on the recent tour weren't too bad. I mean, Sophie,

1510
01:20:11,667 --> 01:20:13,427
Speaker 2: Ifvine got an unbeaten hundred and one of the games,

1511
01:20:14,867 --> 01:20:17,467
Speaker 2: then you've got Merely Kerr. We know what a special

1512
01:20:17,507 --> 01:20:21,827
Speaker 2: talent she is. Sister Jess another one, and then you

1513
01:20:22,107 --> 01:20:24,267
Speaker 2: work your way down and you and you find actually

1514
01:20:24,307 --> 01:20:30,147
Speaker 2: some pretty decent cricketers. Is he Gaze, Hannah Rowe, Leah

1515
01:20:30,147 --> 01:20:36,547
Speaker 2: to Who, fran Jonas, Eden Carson, Maddy Green. You know

1516
01:20:36,587 --> 01:20:39,387
Speaker 2: that these are all players who on their day should

1517
01:20:40,787 --> 01:20:44,747
Speaker 2: be able to consistently play well. So again, that's and

1518
01:20:44,787 --> 01:20:46,667
Speaker 2: that's got nothing to do with depth. These players have

1519
01:20:46,747 --> 01:20:48,867
Speaker 2: been there for a while, So then do you flip

1520
01:20:48,867 --> 01:20:50,707
Speaker 2: around and start looking at the coaching that they're getting

1521
01:20:50,947 --> 01:20:54,307
Speaker 2: or the motivation from within the camp. It never seems

1522
01:20:54,307 --> 01:20:56,827
Speaker 2: to me to have been any lack of desire within

1523
01:20:56,867 --> 01:21:00,427
Speaker 2: the white fence. That has never ever been apparent to me.

1524
01:21:00,787 --> 01:21:02,947
Speaker 2: That this team doesn't want to win every time they

1525
01:21:02,987 --> 01:21:07,427
Speaker 2: go out, that they haven't been able too is worthy

1526
01:21:07,427 --> 01:21:09,587
Speaker 2: of discussion, and that's why we've dedicated an hour to

1527
01:21:09,627 --> 01:21:13,267
Speaker 2: it today. I just hope that moving forward we do

1528
01:21:13,387 --> 01:21:18,027
Speaker 2: start to see some progress, some progress, and that probably

1529
01:21:18,067 --> 01:21:20,707
Speaker 2: starts with a good performance at the upcoming T twenty

1530
01:21:20,747 --> 01:21:24,307
Speaker 2: World Cup at the back end of this year. I

1531
01:21:24,387 --> 01:21:26,747
Speaker 2: honestly think that if and I said that, I asked

1532
01:21:26,867 --> 01:21:29,987
Speaker 2: Brian Stronik that right at the end, if beyond this

1533
01:21:30,147 --> 01:21:32,107
Speaker 2: T twenty World Cup, but for example New Zealand don't

1534
01:21:32,107 --> 01:21:35,707
Speaker 2: make the Semis, then maybe they do have to look

1535
01:21:35,747 --> 01:21:39,027
Speaker 2: at a change in terms of the leadership and the

1536
01:21:39,027 --> 01:21:42,147
Speaker 2: coaching of this side. Because it is a results based

1537
01:21:42,187 --> 01:21:46,147
Speaker 2: business at the end of the day, and we must

1538
01:21:46,147 --> 01:21:49,147
Speaker 2: treat all of our sports teams in this way, male

1539
01:21:49,307 --> 01:21:52,507
Speaker 2: or female. We must put them under the microscope and

1540
01:21:52,587 --> 01:21:56,867
Speaker 2: say why aren't things going as well as they should be?

1541
01:21:57,347 --> 01:21:58,507
Speaker 2: Seven to two News Talks.

1542
01:21:58,347 --> 01:22:02,547
Speaker 1: EP analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

1543
01:22:02,587 --> 01:22:05,747
Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Ye they call O

1544
01:22:05,907 --> 01:22:06,307
Speaker 1: eight hundred.

1545
01:22:07,307 --> 01:22:10,347
Speaker 2: News Talks EDB four to two. After two hour Road

1546
01:22:10,387 --> 01:22:13,427
Speaker 2: to Paris feature concludes Sarah Walker and to join us

1547
01:22:13,427 --> 01:22:15,947
Speaker 2: to talk about her silver medal at London twenty twelve

1548
01:22:16,427 --> 01:22:19,707
Speaker 2: and the ups and downs of her BMX career. Joseph

1549
01:22:19,747 --> 01:22:21,987
Speaker 2: rom Arnos also popping in for a chat as he

1550
01:22:22,107 --> 01:22:25,027
Speaker 2: jets out to what will be his tenth Olympic Games.

1551
01:22:25,267 --> 01:22:27,707
Speaker 2: Andrew says, I can say that the focus on female

1552
01:22:27,707 --> 01:22:30,427
Speaker 2: cricket at community level is about developing cricketers in the

1553
01:22:30,467 --> 01:22:33,467
Speaker 2: youth space. There is more of a provincial a program

1554
01:22:33,547 --> 01:22:35,707
Speaker 2: in each area that is developing quickly. That is great

1555
01:22:35,707 --> 01:22:38,467
Speaker 2: to hear. Hope to see the fruits of that development

1556
01:22:38,587 --> 01:22:41,147
Speaker 2: in the years to come. News Next at two.

1557
01:22:41,547 --> 01:22:45,867
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1558
01:22:46,467 --> 01:22:51,427
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1559
01:22:51,507 --> 01:22:55,307
Speaker 1: weekend Sporard with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1560
01:22:55,747 --> 01:22:56,627
Speaker 1: News Talks.

1561
01:22:56,467 --> 01:23:01,187
Speaker 2: EDB seven past two Sarah says Jason shout out to

1562
01:23:01,227 --> 01:23:03,987
Speaker 2: Green Island Rugby Club in Dunedin. They won the PREMS

1563
01:23:03,987 --> 01:23:08,147
Speaker 2: competition yesterday, first time for the up in forty six years.

1564
01:23:08,187 --> 01:23:11,747
Speaker 2: Congratulations to Green Islands. Our road to Paris continues shortly,

1565
01:23:11,787 --> 01:23:16,387
Speaker 2: Sarah Walker BMX silver medallist London twenty twelve, standing by

1566
01:23:16,387 --> 01:23:19,827
Speaker 2: the chattist Joseph Romaros this hour as well, and we'll

1567
01:23:19,987 --> 01:23:24,187
Speaker 2: continue to mop up any calls and correspondents that come through.

1568
01:23:25,107 --> 01:23:27,107
Speaker 2: But as we always do it around about this time,

1569
01:23:27,147 --> 01:23:28,707
Speaker 2: which is seven past two, we want to get you

1570
01:23:28,787 --> 01:23:30,627
Speaker 2: up to date with the stuff that you may have missed.

1571
01:23:30,707 --> 01:23:35,227
Speaker 2: Andy McDonald has painstakingly put together in case you missed

1572
01:23:35,227 --> 01:23:38,907
Speaker 2: it for another day to the golf and the Open Championship.

1573
01:23:38,947 --> 01:23:42,787
Speaker 2: American Billy horseshell in fantastic form overnight heading into the

1574
01:23:42,787 --> 01:23:43,787
Speaker 2: final rounds.

1575
01:23:43,547 --> 01:23:47,067
Speaker 14: Brucial downhill right to left at seven exactive opposite but

1576
01:23:47,227 --> 01:23:51,787
Speaker 14: that Rose had looking good, looking, good looking great Portieal

1577
01:23:52,227 --> 01:23:54,307
Speaker 14: picks up his third birdie in four hole of all

1578
01:23:54,307 --> 01:23:54,987
Speaker 14: of a sudden.

1579
01:23:54,787 --> 01:23:58,147
Speaker 2: He's five under and as the outright leader, the Melbourne

1580
01:23:58,227 --> 01:24:02,387
Speaker 2: Storm move another step closer to the NRL Minor Premiership

1581
01:24:02,747 --> 01:24:05,747
Speaker 2: twenty four eight went over the roosters last night Walker the.

1582
01:24:05,827 --> 01:24:12,427
Speaker 3: Little grop far long or she's on freak so love

1583
01:24:12,907 --> 01:24:16,107
Speaker 3: fo long. He's been on for two minutes and they

1584
01:24:16,187 --> 01:24:19,427
Speaker 3: get to try. The path to the Grand Final looks

1585
01:24:19,427 --> 01:24:21,747
Speaker 3: like it's going through Amy Park once again.

1586
01:24:21,867 --> 01:24:25,587
Speaker 2: Can we Hidjoumber Hamish Kur another win before the Olympics.

1587
01:24:25,627 --> 01:24:27,867
Speaker 7: We'll get tight legs. This man looks very crashing. These

1588
01:24:27,907 --> 01:24:31,147
Speaker 7: Hemmish Kur go from stretch to strength. He really is

1589
01:24:31,187 --> 01:24:33,507
Speaker 7: in one of those purple patches at the moment. Two

1590
01:24:33,587 --> 01:24:34,587
Speaker 7: thirty three I mentioned in.

1591
01:24:34,627 --> 01:24:36,667
Speaker 5: Monaco eight days ago.

1592
01:24:37,147 --> 01:24:38,667
Speaker 2: Two thirty here looking provide nice.

1593
01:24:39,587 --> 01:24:42,307
Speaker 7: Hamish Kurt wins again as he did it in Monaco.

1594
01:24:42,547 --> 01:24:44,747
Speaker 2: Here top stuff from Hamish Kurt and with just one

1595
01:24:44,827 --> 01:24:47,707
Speaker 2: stage to go the Tour de Frances Yellow Jersey all

1596
01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:50,507
Speaker 2: but so on up after another dominant day in the

1597
01:24:50,507 --> 01:24:52,707
Speaker 2: mountains for Tade Pugatcha.

1598
01:24:52,307 --> 01:24:55,267
Speaker 19: And now the yellow jersey strikes and a shake of

1599
01:24:55,307 --> 01:24:59,587
Speaker 19: the head from vnga guard who says there's nothing nothing

1600
01:24:59,667 --> 01:25:03,827
Speaker 19: I can do. It's pure power. It's Tandy Pergatcha. It's

1601
01:25:03,947 --> 01:25:07,667
Speaker 19: win number five in this year's time of France. Take

1602
01:25:07,747 --> 01:25:12,307
Speaker 19: a massive bout Taddy Pagaca, because that is five wins

1603
01:25:12,347 --> 01:25:13,307
Speaker 19: in this year's race.

1604
01:25:14,547 --> 01:25:15,547
Speaker 25: New Zealand in the.

1605
01:25:15,667 --> 01:25:20,387
Speaker 6: Home straight, lan Jeewe's have planned all.

1606
01:25:20,947 --> 01:25:22,947
Speaker 15: Three God.

1607
01:25:24,267 --> 01:25:27,427
Speaker 1: Weekends forth through to Perris twenty twenty four.

1608
01:25:29,267 --> 01:25:32,347
Speaker 2: That's what the Olympics now just four days away. It's

1609
01:25:32,427 --> 01:25:34,947
Speaker 2: time for the final stop on our road to Paris

1610
01:25:34,947 --> 01:25:38,507
Speaker 2: feature we land in London twenty twelve, where Sarah Walker

1611
01:25:38,547 --> 01:25:42,427
Speaker 2: became New Zealand's first and still only Olympic BMX medalist,

1612
01:25:42,787 --> 01:25:46,507
Speaker 2: winning silver. She was second fastest in her qualifying ride,

1613
01:25:46,827 --> 01:25:50,227
Speaker 2: but only fourth fastest of the four in her semi

1614
01:25:50,267 --> 01:25:52,747
Speaker 2: final that went through to the final, but in that

1615
01:25:52,867 --> 01:25:54,827
Speaker 2: final she was outstanding.

1616
01:25:55,907 --> 01:25:56,987
Speaker 3: Date drops we.

1617
01:25:57,147 --> 01:25:59,187
Speaker 4: Look for walking around at date six and she's made

1618
01:25:59,227 --> 01:26:02,267
Speaker 4: a cracking start through Sir Walker over the top pash

1619
01:26:02,347 --> 01:26:04,707
Speaker 4: On again, Sarah Walker's up the second. At the moment

1620
01:26:04,827 --> 01:26:07,707
Speaker 4: Sarah Walker goes high on the whistles around she's a

1621
01:26:07,747 --> 01:26:10,387
Speaker 4: tickets but at the moment she's behind the Columbia pasha On.

1622
01:26:10,587 --> 01:26:12,907
Speaker 4: Sarah Walker is in second spot. Here comes the French

1623
01:26:12,907 --> 01:26:15,867
Speaker 4: woman Potier, Sarah Walker maintaining seconds pot At the moment

1624
01:26:15,947 --> 01:26:18,827
Speaker 4: Bardajan racing away up on the inside, goes the Dutch Woman.

1625
01:26:18,987 --> 01:26:21,307
Speaker 4: Sarah Walker fighting back. She's back up in the seconds.

1626
01:26:21,307 --> 01:26:24,027
Speaker 4: Button the movement, Sarah Walker. She's riding behind the Columbian.

1627
01:26:24,187 --> 01:26:27,227
Speaker 4: Sarah Walker, riding there behind the final turn. Sarah Walker

1628
01:26:27,227 --> 01:26:29,347
Speaker 4: around the berd. It's out of me. A strait sprint,

1629
01:26:29,507 --> 01:26:31,987
Speaker 4: Sarah Walker looking to trike it up the inside, Come

1630
01:26:32,107 --> 01:26:32,427
Speaker 4: to it.

1631
01:26:32,547 --> 01:26:34,067
Speaker 3: Sarah Walker Silver.

1632
01:26:34,947 --> 01:26:37,187
Speaker 2: I want to call from Nigel Yolden and Sarah Walker,

1633
01:26:37,227 --> 01:26:39,707
Speaker 2: clocking a time of thirty eight point one one three seconds,

1634
01:26:39,707 --> 01:26:43,147
Speaker 2: claiming silver. She also competed in Beijing in two thousand

1635
01:26:43,267 --> 01:26:47,027
Speaker 2: and eight, when BMX made its Olympic debut. She placed fourth.

1636
01:26:47,387 --> 01:26:50,707
Speaker 2: She is a twelve time medalist of the BMX World Championships,

1637
01:26:50,947 --> 01:26:53,267
Speaker 2: and for the past eight years she's been a member

1638
01:26:53,267 --> 01:26:57,987
Speaker 2: of the IOC Athletes Commission, a role she'll relinquish after

1639
01:26:58,067 --> 01:27:01,547
Speaker 2: Paris twenty twenty four. Sarah Walker is with us. Sarah

1640
01:27:01,627 --> 01:27:03,947
Speaker 2: is silver at London twenty twelve. That we just heard

1641
01:27:03,987 --> 01:27:06,627
Speaker 2: there might not even have happened. Tell us about the

1642
01:27:06,667 --> 01:27:09,747
Speaker 2: crash that you had in April of twenty twelve in

1643
01:27:09,747 --> 01:27:13,267
Speaker 2: Norway which resulted in a dislocated shoulder.

1644
01:27:14,067 --> 01:27:18,267
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're in the final World Cup races,

1645
01:27:18,347 --> 01:27:23,227
Speaker 9: leading into the Games, and I had a pretty good race,

1646
01:27:23,267 --> 01:27:27,027
Speaker 9: but I was coming out down the second straight next

1647
01:27:27,027 --> 01:27:29,347
Speaker 9: to one of the American riders and they made a

1648
01:27:29,387 --> 01:27:32,467
Speaker 9: mistake and crash and I had absolutely nowhere to go

1649
01:27:32,507 --> 01:27:35,987
Speaker 9: and hit them and just located my shoulder. So it

1650
01:27:36,027 --> 01:27:39,387
Speaker 9: was kind of frustrating because obviously I hadn't made the mistake,

1651
01:27:39,427 --> 01:27:42,187
Speaker 9: but I was the one that was injured, and it

1652
01:27:42,267 --> 01:27:44,147
Speaker 9: was three months out from the Games, and I was

1653
01:27:44,347 --> 01:27:47,467
Speaker 9: just kind of like, Okay, the only thing I need

1654
01:27:47,507 --> 01:27:52,907
Speaker 9: to know is do I need surgery before now, or like,

1655
01:27:53,347 --> 01:27:55,507
Speaker 9: am I going to miss the Games? Or can I

1656
01:27:55,547 --> 01:28:00,307
Speaker 9: do something and do that later? And obviously I could

1657
01:28:01,107 --> 01:28:04,467
Speaker 9: do that later and focus on just rehabbing as well

1658
01:28:04,507 --> 01:28:06,667
Speaker 9: as possible and turn up on the start line is

1659
01:28:07,627 --> 01:28:09,707
Speaker 9: in good condition as they possibly could.

1660
01:28:10,107 --> 01:28:12,027
Speaker 2: But you still had to qualify, is that right? You

1661
01:28:12,027 --> 01:28:15,107
Speaker 2: still had me qualified at that point, so and amongst

1662
01:28:15,107 --> 01:28:17,427
Speaker 2: all of that, So so what six weeks after that

1663
01:28:17,507 --> 01:28:20,987
Speaker 2: crash World Champs in Birmingham you had to qualify? So

1664
01:28:21,067 --> 01:28:24,307
Speaker 2: how challenging was it to get ready for that?

1665
01:28:25,547 --> 01:28:29,067
Speaker 9: I think like in terms of my mindset, it was

1666
01:28:29,147 --> 01:28:30,907
Speaker 9: just like that's the reality, and that's what I have

1667
01:28:30,987 --> 01:28:35,387
Speaker 9: to do. So I'm going to go do it. Yeah.

1668
01:28:35,467 --> 01:28:39,067
Speaker 9: So I went into the World Champs and it was actually,

1669
01:28:39,667 --> 01:28:42,507
Speaker 9: I reckon it was perfect preparation for the Games because

1670
01:28:42,867 --> 01:28:45,907
Speaker 9: the pressure on that World chance was if you perform,

1671
01:28:45,987 --> 01:28:47,747
Speaker 9: me go to the Olympics. If you don't, you don't

1672
01:28:47,747 --> 01:28:50,787
Speaker 9: even get to line up at the start line. So

1673
01:28:50,827 --> 01:28:55,787
Speaker 9: it was kind of a similar amount of pressure because

1674
01:28:56,147 --> 01:28:58,907
Speaker 9: of what the outcome of that race was. So I

1675
01:28:58,987 --> 01:29:02,427
Speaker 9: needed to perform to the best mobility in that competition

1676
01:29:03,267 --> 01:29:05,947
Speaker 9: to even get selected for the game. So I think, yeah,

1677
01:29:06,427 --> 01:29:10,107
Speaker 9: efect perfect mental preparation, but very stressful and absolute.

1678
01:29:10,147 --> 01:29:13,347
Speaker 2: I can imagine what address root for you did. Did

1679
01:29:13,427 --> 01:29:16,587
Speaker 2: fear of another crash play a part in your mindset

1680
01:29:16,587 --> 01:29:19,107
Speaker 2: as you were as you were attempting to qualify for London?

1681
01:29:21,107 --> 01:29:23,067
Speaker 9: There was there was a balance because it was kind

1682
01:29:23,107 --> 01:29:26,827
Speaker 9: of I wanted to turn up to London and the

1683
01:29:26,867 --> 01:29:30,387
Speaker 9: best shape could possibly be, and I believed that even

1684
01:29:30,427 --> 01:29:33,227
Speaker 9: with that injury, I was good enough to be the

1685
01:29:33,267 --> 01:29:38,667
Speaker 9: best in the world at the game. So it was

1686
01:29:38,747 --> 01:29:43,547
Speaker 9: kind of like I could play it safe and give

1687
01:29:43,587 --> 01:29:46,747
Speaker 9: myself every chance of being on the start line and

1688
01:29:48,067 --> 01:29:52,267
Speaker 9: maybe not being competitive, but being there at least, or

1689
01:29:52,507 --> 01:29:55,787
Speaker 9: I can just give my best every single day, do

1690
01:29:55,947 --> 01:29:58,827
Speaker 9: whatever I can to reduce the risk of hurting myself again,

1691
01:30:00,307 --> 01:30:04,627
Speaker 9: but turn up best prepared I could possibly be, and

1692
01:30:04,667 --> 01:30:09,667
Speaker 9: give myself every chance of winning a gold medal. Then pluck.

1693
01:30:10,307 --> 01:30:12,347
Speaker 9: That was the kind of path that I could choose them.

1694
01:30:12,467 --> 01:30:17,747
Speaker 9: So yeah, obviously I was. I done the participation that

1695
01:30:17,947 --> 01:30:20,947
Speaker 9: finished fourth, and I was like, no, I believe I'm

1696
01:30:20,947 --> 01:30:23,347
Speaker 9: good enough, and I'm going to aim for gold and

1697
01:30:24,387 --> 01:30:26,027
Speaker 9: I'm going to reduce the risk where I can, but

1698
01:30:26,067 --> 01:30:28,547
Speaker 9: I'm going to take more risks than I would if

1699
01:30:28,587 --> 01:30:30,587
Speaker 9: I was just wanting to line up on the start

1700
01:30:30,627 --> 01:30:33,307
Speaker 9: and that's all I was aiming for. So yeah, gave

1701
01:30:33,347 --> 01:30:37,227
Speaker 9: it everything, and fortunately at those World Champs I did qualify.

1702
01:30:37,707 --> 01:30:41,627
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and got to London and the silver medal.

1703
01:30:41,667 --> 01:30:44,747
Speaker 2: As we know, I'm interested in the They're very fine

1704
01:30:44,747 --> 01:30:47,027
Speaker 2: margins I'm sure between you know, you talk about the

1705
01:30:47,107 --> 01:30:49,587
Speaker 2: risks that you take. It can be just very tiny

1706
01:30:49,627 --> 01:30:52,707
Speaker 2: margins between those risks playing off I'm sure and then

1707
01:30:52,747 --> 01:30:56,547
Speaker 2: having the opposite effect of crashes like you've experienced. How

1708
01:30:56,587 --> 01:30:57,907
Speaker 2: big a mental game is that?

1709
01:31:00,147 --> 01:31:02,747
Speaker 9: Yeah, It's huge. Like I tried tracks backing for a

1710
01:31:02,787 --> 01:31:08,347
Speaker 9: couple of months and I remember thinking how mentally or

1711
01:31:08,427 --> 01:31:14,267
Speaker 9: emotionally easier to do a sport where there's less less rest.

1712
01:31:16,107 --> 01:31:17,867
Speaker 9: The worst case scenario are going to turn up to

1713
01:31:17,907 --> 01:31:22,787
Speaker 9: training or competition and I'm going to be really exhausted

1714
01:31:22,827 --> 01:31:24,787
Speaker 9: at the end of it, or if I've pushed my

1715
01:31:24,867 --> 01:31:27,227
Speaker 9: body too hard, i might throw up. And that's probably

1716
01:31:27,307 --> 01:31:31,347
Speaker 9: my worst case scenario, where every single week at training

1717
01:31:31,507 --> 01:31:35,507
Speaker 9: DMX and a competition, you don't know whether you're going

1718
01:31:35,547 --> 01:31:37,507
Speaker 9: to go home to your hotel or at home, or

1719
01:31:38,027 --> 01:31:40,347
Speaker 9: you're going to go to the hospital after racing and

1720
01:31:40,787 --> 01:31:42,427
Speaker 9: someone else is going to ask pat your bags, you know.

1721
01:31:42,587 --> 01:31:47,947
Speaker 9: So the emotional pace is quite hard, but obviously a

1722
01:31:47,987 --> 01:31:51,707
Speaker 9: lot of years of practices going and accepting that there

1723
01:31:51,747 --> 01:31:54,867
Speaker 9: is risk in what we do. But it's also extremely

1724
01:31:54,947 --> 01:31:59,667
Speaker 9: fun and enjoyable and I love that sport so much

1725
01:31:59,747 --> 01:32:06,627
Speaker 9: that the good way outweighs the risk every time. Yeah,

1726
01:32:06,627 --> 01:32:10,227
Speaker 9: it is something you just have to work like. I

1727
01:32:10,227 --> 01:32:12,067
Speaker 9: did a lot of work with a sports psychologists. They

1728
01:32:12,107 --> 01:32:15,507
Speaker 9: did thirteen years with the same sports sack, and that

1729
01:32:15,667 --> 01:32:21,147
Speaker 9: was amazing in terms of just feeling the fear, which

1730
01:32:21,187 --> 01:32:24,547
Speaker 9: I think got more challenging as they got more injuries,

1731
01:32:25,187 --> 01:32:28,707
Speaker 9: but also going okay, well how do I reduce the risk.

1732
01:32:29,027 --> 01:32:32,027
Speaker 9: And if I'm afraid of crashing, then I'm not going

1733
01:32:32,107 --> 01:32:34,187
Speaker 9: to relax and ride the best that I can. So

1734
01:32:34,427 --> 01:32:38,267
Speaker 9: I need to accept that's a possibility, but also staying

1735
01:32:38,267 --> 01:32:42,587
Speaker 9: on my bike it's possible as well. And all I

1736
01:32:42,627 --> 01:32:44,507
Speaker 9: can control is how I'm going to do my best

1737
01:32:44,507 --> 01:32:46,147
Speaker 9: start and how I'm going to peddle my heart is

1738
01:32:46,227 --> 01:32:48,067
Speaker 9: how I'm going to do the nicest jump and also

1739
01:32:48,187 --> 01:32:51,147
Speaker 9: do all of those things right then the chances are

1740
01:32:51,147 --> 01:32:55,587
Speaker 9: cracking away less and so focusing on that and my

1741
01:32:55,707 --> 01:32:59,787
Speaker 9: process allowed me to kind of put my fear on

1742
01:32:59,827 --> 01:33:02,827
Speaker 9: to the side and really just intenptly to focus on

1743
01:33:03,707 --> 01:33:05,947
Speaker 9: what I needed to do and how I needed to

1744
01:33:05,987 --> 01:33:09,987
Speaker 9: perform those skills to be if they couldn't an except

1745
01:33:09,987 --> 01:33:13,267
Speaker 9: that there were things outside of my control given people

1746
01:33:13,267 --> 01:33:13,787
Speaker 9: in no lanes.

1747
01:33:14,067 --> 01:33:17,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, what great insight? What great insight? So you cross second?

1748
01:33:18,387 --> 01:33:21,187
Speaker 2: Silver is yours? How are the emotions? What are you

1749
01:33:21,227 --> 01:33:23,067
Speaker 2: most vivid memories of that?

1750
01:33:24,227 --> 01:33:30,147
Speaker 9: I just like it was an insanely proud moment. I've

1751
01:33:30,187 --> 01:33:35,787
Speaker 9: done a lot of work again with sports, like around.

1752
01:33:35,827 --> 01:33:38,107
Speaker 9: One of theggest ones I had was believing in myself

1753
01:33:38,147 --> 01:33:39,947
Speaker 9: and believing that I was good enough and I was

1754
01:33:39,987 --> 01:33:45,147
Speaker 9: capable of winning, and the next step for that was

1755
01:33:45,267 --> 01:33:48,307
Speaker 9: actually going. Okay, but it's all right if you don't win,

1756
01:33:49,227 --> 01:33:51,747
Speaker 9: as long as you have given it everything like you could.

1757
01:33:52,507 --> 01:33:55,987
Speaker 9: So at that finish line, I crossed, and I just

1758
01:33:56,067 --> 01:33:59,907
Speaker 9: knew that I'd under the ultimate pressure of an Olympic final.

1759
01:34:00,667 --> 01:34:03,307
Speaker 9: I'd done my absolute best art that I could ever

1760
01:34:03,387 --> 01:34:07,187
Speaker 9: have done, and my first strait was incredible, and I

1761
01:34:07,347 --> 01:34:10,507
Speaker 9: raced the best race I could given the circumstances it

1762
01:34:11,627 --> 01:34:15,867
Speaker 9: and so yeah, casting the finish line, I didn't achieve

1763
01:34:15,947 --> 01:34:19,387
Speaker 9: my goal of winning the gold, but because of all

1764
01:34:19,387 --> 01:34:23,467
Speaker 9: that mental work of going, I'm good enough to achieve it.

1765
01:34:23,507 --> 01:34:27,107
Speaker 9: But it's okay if I don't, because there's a lot

1766
01:34:27,147 --> 01:34:31,067
Speaker 9: of things that I can't control and that excludes my competitors.

1767
01:34:31,867 --> 01:34:35,627
Speaker 9: But in that one moment, in that thirty eight seconds,

1768
01:34:35,747 --> 01:34:38,147
Speaker 9: one person in the world was better than me, and

1769
01:34:38,147 --> 01:34:40,987
Speaker 9: that's absolutely okay because I rode my best race in

1770
01:34:41,027 --> 01:34:46,787
Speaker 9: that moment. So yeah, just pride is really pride for myself,

1771
01:34:47,187 --> 01:34:53,387
Speaker 9: pride for New Zealand, and just it was weird because

1772
01:34:53,427 --> 01:34:56,267
Speaker 9: I remember getting the Olympic medal around my neck on

1773
01:34:56,307 --> 01:35:00,267
Speaker 9: the podium, which is something that you kind of picture

1774
01:35:00,507 --> 01:35:04,547
Speaker 9: or hopeful as an athlete for many, many years, and

1775
01:35:04,587 --> 01:35:11,627
Speaker 9: I remember thinking that the object of the medal wasn't

1776
01:35:11,667 --> 01:35:14,867
Speaker 9: as powerful as the feeling of pride that I had,

1777
01:35:15,027 --> 01:35:17,787
Speaker 9: And I was quite surprised by that. I thought the

1778
01:35:17,827 --> 01:35:21,587
Speaker 9: object would mean more to me than it did, but

1779
01:35:21,667 --> 01:35:26,227
Speaker 9: the feeling of what I had was actually the overpowering thing.

1780
01:35:27,147 --> 01:35:31,387
Speaker 2: That is so cool, that's so cool. Of course London

1781
01:35:31,427 --> 01:35:33,027
Speaker 2: was your second games. Of course you're in Beijing in

1782
01:35:33,067 --> 01:35:35,787
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight, just out of the medals and fourth.

1783
01:35:36,107 --> 01:35:37,267
Speaker 2: How do you reflect on Beijing?

1784
01:35:38,867 --> 01:35:43,107
Speaker 9: I didn't believe in myself. I think is the biggest reflection,

1785
01:35:43,507 --> 01:35:46,547
Speaker 9: and that was what we we recognized and worked on

1786
01:35:46,707 --> 01:35:49,227
Speaker 9: for that next four years. But I kind of looked

1787
01:35:49,227 --> 01:35:54,147
Speaker 9: at it as most young Olympians do at their first games.

1788
01:35:54,507 --> 01:35:57,467
Speaker 9: I'm here for the experience. I'm aiming for the next one.

1789
01:35:57,907 --> 01:36:02,427
Speaker 9: I'll see what happens. But you know, like I could

1790
01:36:02,747 --> 01:36:08,707
Speaker 9: win a medal but anything, and like kind of almost

1791
01:36:08,747 --> 01:36:12,547
Speaker 9: setting myself up to have reasons why it wouldn't work

1792
01:36:13,267 --> 01:36:15,907
Speaker 9: before I even took the start line, or rather than

1793
01:36:15,987 --> 01:36:18,227
Speaker 9: just focusing on how do I turn up and do

1794
01:36:18,267 --> 01:36:21,187
Speaker 9: the best that I can even though it's my first games,

1795
01:36:21,227 --> 01:36:24,587
Speaker 9: even though I'm young, or even though whatever. It's like

1796
01:36:25,707 --> 01:36:29,427
Speaker 9: poll all of those things, but actually, how do I

1797
01:36:29,427 --> 01:36:31,467
Speaker 9: get the best start I can? How do I do

1798
01:36:31,587 --> 01:36:35,547
Speaker 9: this as smooth as possible? How do I put myself

1799
01:36:35,587 --> 01:36:38,147
Speaker 9: in a position to get the best lines around the track,

1800
01:36:38,227 --> 01:36:43,427
Speaker 9: and like really focus on that process as much as possible.

1801
01:36:45,067 --> 01:36:49,667
Speaker 9: In reality, I was just a little eight year old

1802
01:36:49,747 --> 01:36:52,387
Speaker 9: me who dreamed of the coming in Olympian one day

1803
01:36:52,467 --> 01:36:55,387
Speaker 9: just being like, I'm here, this is insane, this is

1804
01:36:55,427 --> 01:36:58,827
Speaker 9: so cool, it's so surreal. I'm like living a dream.

1805
01:36:59,107 --> 01:37:03,547
Speaker 9: And I was really I don't know if you'd say distracted,

1806
01:37:03,587 --> 01:37:07,227
Speaker 9: but yeah, just focused on the fact that I was

1807
01:37:07,347 --> 01:37:09,987
Speaker 9: there rather than what I needed to do.

1808
01:37:11,787 --> 01:37:15,027
Speaker 2: And then Rio twenty sixteen. You missed that one through injury,

1809
01:37:15,027 --> 01:37:16,467
Speaker 2: and then this is a roller coaster of a chat.

1810
01:37:16,507 --> 01:37:21,787
Speaker 2: I tell you, a training accident February twenty sixteen. So

1811
01:37:22,067 --> 01:37:24,347
Speaker 2: how gutting not to make it to rear.

1812
01:37:25,707 --> 01:37:29,427
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that was one of the hardest days

1813
01:37:29,467 --> 01:37:33,747
Speaker 9: I think that I've ever had an athlete. Was the

1814
01:37:33,867 --> 01:37:39,587
Speaker 9: day didn't qualify at the World Champs that year. The

1815
01:37:39,667 --> 01:37:45,147
Speaker 9: crash itself, I knew instantly that I'd done something bad.

1816
01:37:45,307 --> 01:37:51,187
Speaker 9: So I broke my humor, which is bone, and did

1817
01:37:51,187 --> 01:37:54,507
Speaker 9: a pretty good job of it. But I knew immediately

1818
01:37:54,747 --> 01:37:58,187
Speaker 9: something was bad because when I crashed and sat straight

1819
01:37:58,227 --> 01:38:01,307
Speaker 9: back up, I couldn't feel my arm at all, and

1820
01:38:02,267 --> 01:38:05,427
Speaker 9: through my history of breaking bones, I was like, Okay, well,

1821
01:38:05,547 --> 01:38:10,747
Speaker 9: my body's not going any signal from that part. I'm

1822
01:38:10,747 --> 01:38:12,387
Speaker 9: not going to look at which way this might be

1823
01:38:12,467 --> 01:38:15,067
Speaker 9: facing or what might be poking out where it shouldn't be.

1824
01:38:15,107 --> 01:38:20,107
Speaker 9: And but yeah, it was. It was just kind of

1825
01:38:20,147 --> 01:38:22,547
Speaker 9: like ring an ambulance and we'll sort it out. But

1826
01:38:22,707 --> 01:38:27,627
Speaker 9: the recovery from that took like three years until I

1827
01:38:27,627 --> 01:38:29,707
Speaker 9: got the plates back out again that it actually was

1828
01:38:29,787 --> 01:38:32,467
Speaker 9: much better. But you do what you can in the

1829
01:38:32,507 --> 01:38:35,387
Speaker 9: meantime and make the best of the situation. And I

1830
01:38:35,387 --> 01:38:39,227
Speaker 9: did everything I could to get ready and still qualify,

1831
01:38:39,307 --> 01:38:44,947
Speaker 9: but it just wasn't strong enough, and it actually caused

1832
01:38:44,947 --> 01:38:48,467
Speaker 9: me to have another crash and hurt my other shoulder

1833
01:38:49,107 --> 01:38:52,107
Speaker 9: because I was just pushing to try and make it.

1834
01:38:52,147 --> 01:38:56,467
Speaker 9: But I was just like, what was there's even if

1835
01:38:56,467 --> 01:38:58,867
Speaker 9: there's still a one percent chance and I could make it,

1836
01:38:58,907 --> 01:39:04,227
Speaker 9: then I'm going to try. And so that was my attitude. Yeah,

1837
01:39:04,227 --> 01:39:08,187
Speaker 9: I think it was hard because before that crash in

1838
01:39:08,227 --> 01:39:12,227
Speaker 9: the weeks leading into that, it was the start of

1839
01:39:12,267 --> 01:39:17,267
Speaker 9: the season heading into like Olympic year, and all of

1840
01:39:17,267 --> 01:39:20,667
Speaker 9: my testing every single week, I was doing personal best

1841
01:39:20,987 --> 01:39:25,147
Speaker 9: and I was feeling good. Even Heather and one of

1842
01:39:25,187 --> 01:39:30,027
Speaker 9: my journals saying like I can't sleep because I just

1843
01:39:30,307 --> 01:39:33,427
Speaker 9: think of like how cool everything's going, and I'm just

1844
01:39:33,467 --> 01:39:38,067
Speaker 9: so excited. So rather than not sleeping through stress, I

1845
01:39:38,107 --> 01:39:41,907
Speaker 9: was not sleepings through excitement. And it was just what

1846
01:39:43,387 --> 01:39:46,267
Speaker 9: I was realizing what I was truly capable in terms

1847
01:39:46,307 --> 01:39:50,547
Speaker 9: of phyficult performance and what was possible. And I really

1848
01:39:50,587 --> 01:39:53,787
Speaker 9: wanted to see what that meant when I lined up

1849
01:39:53,787 --> 01:39:56,547
Speaker 9: against other people, but never got the opportunity because of

1850
01:39:56,547 --> 01:39:57,587
Speaker 9: that crash.

1851
01:39:57,627 --> 01:39:59,507
Speaker 2: Man, this is a roller coaster, Sharah. I've got a

1852
01:39:59,547 --> 01:40:01,467
Speaker 2: bunch more questions to ask you. If you're okay to

1853
01:40:01,507 --> 01:40:03,547
Speaker 2: hold on through a break, I want to find out

1854
01:40:03,547 --> 01:40:06,667
Speaker 2: a bit more about your journey. Sarah walkers with us

1855
01:40:06,747 --> 01:40:09,587
Speaker 2: on the road to Paris. It's two twenty four more

1856
01:40:09,667 --> 01:40:11,347
Speaker 2: when we come back on Weekend Sport.

1857
01:40:11,667 --> 01:40:16,187
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1858
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1859
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1860
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1861
01:40:25,067 --> 01:40:27,907
Speaker 2: Two twenty six we're talking to Sarah Walker BMX silver

1862
01:40:27,987 --> 01:40:31,107
Speaker 2: medalists from London twenty twelve as we wrap up our

1863
01:40:31,187 --> 01:40:34,827
Speaker 2: road to Paris. Sarah, thanks for hanging with us. We've

1864
01:40:34,907 --> 01:40:38,627
Speaker 2: heard about Rio twenty sixteen and how injury robbed you

1865
01:40:38,667 --> 01:40:40,787
Speaker 2: of the chance to compete there. What about Tokyo with

1866
01:40:40,947 --> 01:40:42,547
Speaker 2: the Tokyo Games.

1867
01:40:42,267 --> 01:40:47,187
Speaker 9: On your radar and yes, it was so I started

1868
01:40:47,187 --> 01:40:52,107
Speaker 9: Olympic qualifying. One of the races was twenty twenty World

1869
01:40:52,187 --> 01:40:59,067
Speaker 9: Cup in Australia in February, and then came home to

1870
01:40:59,227 --> 01:41:01,707
Speaker 9: kind of continue to see them. And then obviously COVID

1871
01:41:03,187 --> 01:41:07,707
Speaker 9: arrived on the world's door steps and really stopped the

1872
01:41:07,827 --> 01:41:10,587
Speaker 9: international travel and being able to go to races and

1873
01:41:10,627 --> 01:41:15,947
Speaker 9: get points and try and qualify. Well. New Zealand managed

1874
01:41:15,947 --> 01:41:20,387
Speaker 9: to the spot, but in terms of selection, just not

1875
01:41:20,627 --> 01:41:23,547
Speaker 9: going to any races besides that one race. That came

1876
01:41:23,627 --> 01:41:28,827
Speaker 9: down to that one race. And yeah, myself and Rebecca Pitch,

1877
01:41:29,107 --> 01:41:33,227
Speaker 9: who went to Tokyo Games for VNX, were pretty much

1878
01:41:33,267 --> 01:41:37,267
Speaker 9: similar results. And I think given that she's ten years younger,

1879
01:41:37,507 --> 01:41:39,227
Speaker 9: and I was towards the end of my career. I

1880
01:41:39,227 --> 01:41:42,507
Speaker 9: think they started looking for the future and they took

1881
01:41:42,547 --> 01:41:46,907
Speaker 9: her and she did amazing and I was just stuck

1882
01:41:46,987 --> 01:41:49,147
Speaker 9: to see New Zealand on the start line at the

1883
01:41:49,187 --> 01:41:52,827
Speaker 9: Olympics again and being next the girls. So yeah, it

1884
01:41:52,907 --> 01:41:54,907
Speaker 9: was it was a bit rafter. It was kind of

1885
01:41:54,987 --> 01:42:00,827
Speaker 9: like one of my goals was when I finished writing

1886
01:42:01,467 --> 01:42:03,987
Speaker 9: that I still love what I do and I still

1887
01:42:04,027 --> 01:42:07,307
Speaker 9: love my sport, because a lot of people who dedicate

1888
01:42:08,467 --> 01:42:12,427
Speaker 9: like ten, fifteen, twenty years to a sport just want

1889
01:42:12,467 --> 01:42:15,627
Speaker 9: to break and just want to kind of sometimes never

1890
01:42:15,707 --> 01:42:20,827
Speaker 9: do that sport again. But I really wanted to like

1891
01:42:21,067 --> 01:42:24,427
Speaker 9: go through that last Olympic class or to Tokyo and

1892
01:42:24,547 --> 01:42:27,787
Speaker 9: know that I did it because it was a cool

1893
01:42:27,827 --> 01:42:31,067
Speaker 9: sport and I loved doing it. But you don't know

1894
01:42:31,107 --> 01:42:34,947
Speaker 9: if for sure, if it's your actual truth or you're

1895
01:42:35,027 --> 01:42:38,667
Speaker 9: lying to yourself until you're in a situation where you're like, well,

1896
01:42:38,707 --> 01:42:40,387
Speaker 9: did you do it because you loved it or did

1897
01:42:40,427 --> 01:42:41,587
Speaker 9: you do it just because you want to go to

1898
01:42:41,667 --> 01:42:46,947
Speaker 9: another Olympics. And so when I didn't make the team,

1899
01:42:47,307 --> 01:42:51,147
Speaker 9: it was like, for right, were were you telling truth

1900
01:42:51,187 --> 01:42:54,467
Speaker 9: to yourself or were you trying to pretend? And the

1901
01:42:54,547 --> 01:42:56,507
Speaker 9: first thing I did was put on all my gear

1902
01:42:56,587 --> 01:42:59,107
Speaker 9: and go for a ride at the track. So like,

1903
01:42:59,587 --> 01:43:02,347
Speaker 9: even though I hadn't qualified, I was really proud of

1904
01:43:02,347 --> 01:43:08,107
Speaker 9: myself that I had achieved that next block or Olympic

1905
01:43:08,147 --> 01:43:13,307
Speaker 9: cycle on my bike, doing my love, and that it

1906
01:43:13,427 --> 01:43:15,707
Speaker 9: made their Olympic team. Of course it would have been

1907
01:43:15,747 --> 01:43:18,827
Speaker 9: amazing and the cherry on top, but it wasn't wasn't

1908
01:43:18,867 --> 01:43:23,587
Speaker 9: my core why I was riding. And yeah, I'm really

1909
01:43:23,587 --> 01:43:26,787
Speaker 9: glad I actually did that Olympic cycle because I made

1910
01:43:26,787 --> 01:43:32,787
Speaker 9: the podium at a World Cup late twenty eighteen in Argentina,

1911
01:43:33,907 --> 01:43:37,187
Speaker 9: and that was just like this kind of justification that

1912
01:43:37,947 --> 01:43:40,107
Speaker 9: I'm still one of the best in the world and

1913
01:43:40,467 --> 01:43:42,467
Speaker 9: that I was right to keep the living in myself

1914
01:43:42,627 --> 01:43:46,067
Speaker 9: even though others may have been chushing, like my age

1915
01:43:46,227 --> 01:43:50,867
Speaker 9: or my injuries or whatever. So that was quite a

1916
01:43:51,147 --> 01:43:52,947
Speaker 9: satisfying moment, my bet.

1917
01:43:53,387 --> 01:43:57,387
Speaker 2: So are you at peace with your elite career, because

1918
01:43:57,747 --> 01:44:00,747
Speaker 2: as I mentioned it, it's had it's had its peaks

1919
01:44:00,747 --> 01:44:02,427
Speaker 2: and troughs. It's been a roller coaster. To use a

1920
01:44:02,427 --> 01:44:04,307
Speaker 2: couple of cliches, Are you at peace with them?

1921
01:44:05,427 --> 01:44:08,347
Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, I'm really really proud that I'm at peace

1922
01:44:08,347 --> 01:44:12,347
Speaker 9: with it, Like I didn't feel even after the Rio

1923
01:44:12,507 --> 01:44:17,467
Speaker 9: cycle I committed to Tokyo. It wasn't like I need

1924
01:44:17,507 --> 01:44:20,467
Speaker 9: to keep going because I feel like there's unfinished business.

1925
01:44:21,547 --> 01:44:24,227
Speaker 9: It was I want to keep going because I love

1926
01:44:24,267 --> 01:44:29,307
Speaker 9: it and with the benefit of hindsight being able to

1927
01:44:29,347 --> 01:44:35,147
Speaker 9: go that was authentic and genuine and that doesn't feel

1928
01:44:35,147 --> 01:44:39,267
Speaker 9: like anything that I left that I didn't achieve that

1929
01:44:39,347 --> 01:44:42,787
Speaker 9: I wanted to or whatever. It's kind of it's really nice.

1930
01:44:42,947 --> 01:44:46,107
Speaker 9: So yes, definitely had peace with my whole career and

1931
01:44:46,627 --> 01:44:51,027
Speaker 9: the journey that I had, and even through the boundaries

1932
01:44:51,107 --> 01:44:53,547
Speaker 9: and the feedback because it was all part of that

1933
01:44:53,627 --> 01:44:56,587
Speaker 9: journey and like, yeah, it's really cool.

1934
01:44:57,387 --> 01:45:00,267
Speaker 2: And during the Yeah, and during the Rio Games, even

1935
01:45:00,307 --> 01:45:03,027
Speaker 2: though you couldn't compete, it was announced you'd been elected

1936
01:45:03,067 --> 01:45:05,747
Speaker 2: onto the IOC Athletes Commission for an eight year term.

1937
01:45:05,747 --> 01:45:07,667
Speaker 2: Which does I mean that the start of the chat

1938
01:45:07,667 --> 01:45:10,667
Speaker 2: concludes after the upcoming Paris Games. So what does that

1939
01:45:10,707 --> 01:45:13,027
Speaker 2: work involved for you over the last eight years?

1940
01:45:13,667 --> 01:45:16,907
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was that was pretty crazy. I owned living

1941
01:45:17,147 --> 01:45:22,547
Speaker 9: at home and obviously West Rio. It was quite a

1942
01:45:22,587 --> 01:45:28,427
Speaker 9: big time difference that I st Eliza McCartney actually it

1943
01:45:28,467 --> 01:45:31,387
Speaker 9: was her first Olympics and I said, if you wake

1944
01:45:31,507 --> 01:45:35,587
Speaker 9: up on competition day and you just overwhelmed by the

1945
01:45:35,627 --> 01:45:39,547
Speaker 9: fact that it's the day, which I would totally understand.

1946
01:45:39,547 --> 01:45:42,547
Speaker 9: I've been there. If you need to ring me, just

1947
01:45:42,667 --> 01:45:46,747
Speaker 9: ring me. I'll leave my phone on loud overnight and

1948
01:45:46,907 --> 01:45:51,427
Speaker 9: just just ring. So my phone went off at two

1949
01:45:51,467 --> 01:45:55,027
Speaker 9: wait in the morning. It was the only day that

1950
01:45:55,107 --> 01:46:00,187
Speaker 9: I left my phone on loud and onto the phone

1951
01:46:00,187 --> 01:46:02,267
Speaker 9: thing it's going to be Eliza, and it was actually

1952
01:46:02,747 --> 01:46:08,747
Speaker 9: the head of the Athleteses department at the IOV saying like,

1953
01:46:09,067 --> 01:46:11,867
Speaker 9: you need to be awake because the IOC president is

1954
01:46:11,867 --> 01:46:12,427
Speaker 9: going to court with you.

1955
01:46:12,547 --> 01:46:13,467
Speaker 5: So wow.

1956
01:46:14,187 --> 01:46:20,467
Speaker 9: I was like, all right, I'm awake away. So I

1957
01:46:20,507 --> 01:46:25,867
Speaker 9: remember sitting just staring at my phone waiting for this

1958
01:46:25,947 --> 01:46:29,147
Speaker 9: phone call, and at five a m. Three hours later,

1959
01:46:31,027 --> 01:46:34,667
Speaker 9: I finally get the call, which is obviously exciting that

1960
01:46:35,027 --> 01:46:40,187
Speaker 9: I was so wired for that to get the call

1961
01:46:40,587 --> 01:46:42,867
Speaker 9: being like, yeah, we want you to be on the

1962
01:46:42,907 --> 01:46:46,947
Speaker 9: athletes Commission, but in order to get on the Athletics

1963
01:46:46,947 --> 01:46:50,587
Speaker 9: Commission this year, you need to be in Rio tomorrow,

1964
01:46:51,347 --> 01:46:53,267
Speaker 9: so you need to be on the next flight out

1965
01:46:53,307 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 9: of New Zealand to britil so that you can become

1966
01:46:57,907 --> 01:47:02,107
Speaker 9: part of the IOC is an athletic representative and so yeah, jove,

1967
01:47:02,707 --> 01:47:06,827
Speaker 9: uh got my passports, drove to the airport, flew out

1968
01:47:06,947 --> 01:47:11,827
Speaker 9: on the very next light, and yeah, the rest is history.

1969
01:47:11,867 --> 01:47:17,147
Speaker 9: But it's been so cool. So basically I was pretty

1970
01:47:17,147 --> 01:47:20,587
Speaker 9: overwhelmed to start with about all the different things the

1971
01:47:20,627 --> 01:47:26,187
Speaker 9: committee do and all the different initiatives and cool things

1972
01:47:26,227 --> 01:47:29,827
Speaker 9: that they're involved with, all the different departments, and yeah,

1973
01:47:30,107 --> 01:47:34,867
Speaker 9: I think I was initially just thought there was no

1974
01:47:34,907 --> 01:47:36,867
Speaker 9: way I'd be able to either understand all of it.

1975
01:47:37,987 --> 01:47:41,787
Speaker 9: But like my sport, I just focused on giving my

1976
01:47:41,867 --> 01:47:44,507
Speaker 9: best that I had each day and each time that

1977
01:47:44,547 --> 01:47:49,587
Speaker 9: we had meetings and contributing where I can. But yeah,

1978
01:47:49,587 --> 01:47:51,707
Speaker 9: O the time, I learned more and got better and

1979
01:47:52,387 --> 01:47:59,067
Speaker 9: could positively impact the the athlete experience of being at

1980
01:47:59,067 --> 01:48:02,227
Speaker 9: the Olympics and the athlete experience in general of between

1981
01:48:02,267 --> 01:48:06,387
Speaker 9: games as well. And it's been very, very rewarding to

1982
01:48:06,387 --> 01:48:09,987
Speaker 9: be able to be part of those decisions that that

1983
01:48:10,107 --> 01:48:12,507
Speaker 9: obviously make that impact the athletes.

1984
01:48:12,707 --> 01:48:15,027
Speaker 2: Love you know, Yeah, what a cool thing. What a

1985
01:48:15,027 --> 01:48:17,067
Speaker 2: cool thing to be able to do. So where is

1986
01:48:17,107 --> 01:48:18,627
Speaker 2: your silver medal? Where do you keep up?

1987
01:48:21,627 --> 01:48:27,347
Speaker 9: I think I think it's in the cavern, and I

1988
01:48:27,387 --> 01:48:28,667
Speaker 9: think I know which cabin.

1989
01:48:30,467 --> 01:48:30,507
Speaker 10: That.

1990
01:48:32,347 --> 01:48:36,587
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very worn that the ribbon is tatty and

1991
01:48:36,667 --> 01:48:39,387
Speaker 9: the medal has some dents in it, but like I

1992
01:48:39,427 --> 01:48:44,547
Speaker 9: love that because I shared it with as many people

1993
01:48:45,427 --> 01:48:50,107
Speaker 9: in schools, but as many kids basically as they could

1994
01:48:50,147 --> 01:48:53,747
Speaker 9: when I got home from the games and got every

1995
01:48:53,787 --> 01:48:55,667
Speaker 9: kid that wanted to put it around their neck and

1996
01:48:55,707 --> 01:48:59,147
Speaker 9: get a photo, like just as many hands on it

1997
01:48:59,187 --> 01:49:02,147
Speaker 9: as possible, because I think the first time I held

1998
01:49:02,147 --> 01:49:07,427
Speaker 9: in the Olympic medal was at Beijing Olympics, and it

1999
01:49:07,587 --> 01:49:09,867
Speaker 9: was already been a massive goal of mine anyway, but

2000
01:49:10,427 --> 01:49:15,347
Speaker 9: to hold the medal just I felt like so inspired

2001
01:49:15,387 --> 01:49:18,547
Speaker 9: at Beijing, and now I could share that with as

2002
01:49:18,547 --> 01:49:21,507
Speaker 9: many people as possible, so I did, And so it's

2003
01:49:21,667 --> 01:49:27,507
Speaker 9: it's a lot worse forwear, and it's sitting somewhere and

2004
01:49:27,547 --> 01:49:31,867
Speaker 9: I'm sure if I went looking for I would find it.

2005
01:49:31,267 --> 01:49:37,587
Speaker 9: But like I said, the medal itself as an object

2006
01:49:39,067 --> 01:49:44,427
Speaker 9: became a symbol of how I felt, but feeling even

2007
01:49:44,467 --> 01:49:50,707
Speaker 9: to this day, what twelve years later still is stronger

2008
01:49:50,707 --> 01:49:53,467
Speaker 9: than the metal itself and the object, like I don't

2009
01:49:53,547 --> 01:49:56,907
Speaker 9: need to hold the medal to be reminded of the

2010
01:49:58,067 --> 01:50:00,987
Speaker 9: pride that I had on that day. But maybe in

2011
01:50:01,027 --> 01:50:05,707
Speaker 9: the future, when a few more years passed, I'll bring

2012
01:50:05,747 --> 01:50:07,707
Speaker 9: it out there I can look at it and be

2013
01:50:07,787 --> 01:50:11,387
Speaker 9: reminded more often. But at the moment it's still I

2014
01:50:11,387 --> 01:50:14,907
Speaker 9: don't know. It seems fairly. It feels fresh enough that

2015
01:50:15,227 --> 01:50:20,067
Speaker 9: I don't need to need it out to get that feeling, you.

2016
01:50:20,027 --> 01:50:20,987
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, I do.

2017
01:50:21,107 --> 01:50:21,187
Speaker 12: Well.

2018
01:50:21,187 --> 01:50:23,627
Speaker 2: It feels like the yeah, the metal has been bumped

2019
01:50:23,627 --> 01:50:25,867
Speaker 2: and bruised a bit and knocked around in a bit

2020
01:50:25,947 --> 01:50:29,027
Speaker 2: worse for wear, but still shining bright, no doubt, which

2021
01:50:29,147 --> 01:50:31,987
Speaker 2: seems like a nice little analogy to you as well.

2022
01:50:32,787 --> 01:50:36,707
Speaker 2: It's yeah, Sarah, it's been. It's been such a delight

2023
01:50:36,747 --> 01:50:39,227
Speaker 2: to chat to you. Thank you for being so authentic

2024
01:50:39,307 --> 01:50:42,827
Speaker 2: with a chat about your your BMX career. It's been

2025
01:50:42,987 --> 01:50:45,627
Speaker 2: been such such a cool twenty minutes chatting to you.

2026
01:50:45,707 --> 01:50:48,187
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for taking the time. No, thank you

2027
01:50:48,227 --> 01:50:52,667
Speaker 2: so much, Thank you, Sarah. Sarah Walker there, silver medalist

2028
01:50:52,827 --> 01:50:55,747
Speaker 2: London twenty twelve on the final stop on our road

2029
01:50:55,827 --> 01:50:58,547
Speaker 2: to Paris twenty three or three. When we come back,

2030
01:50:58,707 --> 01:51:01,507
Speaker 2: Joseph Romanos, he's off to Paris. We'll talk Olympic Games

2031
01:51:01,507 --> 01:51:02,707
Speaker 2: with him when we come back.

2032
01:51:03,147 --> 01:51:06,907
Speaker 1: The tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sports with Jason

2033
01:51:06,947 --> 01:51:11,187
Speaker 1: Kine and GJ. Gunner Homes New Zealand's most trusted home builder.

2034
01:51:12,987 --> 01:51:15,707
Speaker 2: Two forty. You'd be struggling to find anyone I reckon

2035
01:51:15,747 --> 01:51:18,307
Speaker 2: with more knowledge and experience of the Olympic Games in

2036
01:51:18,347 --> 01:51:22,307
Speaker 2: this country than New Zealand journalist, author and broadcaster Joseph Romanos.

2037
01:51:22,307 --> 01:51:24,827
Speaker 2: He's about to jet hot jet out to Paris, but

2038
01:51:24,867 --> 01:51:27,227
Speaker 2: he stopped for a jet on the way. How many

2039
01:51:27,547 --> 01:51:30,747
Speaker 2: Olympic Games have you attended, Joseph.

2040
01:51:30,787 --> 01:51:33,827
Speaker 27: I've been to them all since nineteen eighty eight, and

2041
01:51:33,947 --> 01:51:37,467
Speaker 27: I went to a Winter Olympics as well, so ten

2042
01:51:37,587 --> 01:51:38,747
Speaker 27: or eleven around there.

2043
01:51:38,827 --> 01:51:41,147
Speaker 2: See, when you're losing count, that means you've been to

2044
01:51:41,467 --> 01:51:42,547
Speaker 2: a lot of them, right.

2045
01:51:42,627 --> 01:51:45,827
Speaker 27: Yeah, it's starting to get into those misty memories.

2046
01:51:46,027 --> 01:51:49,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have a favorite Olympic Games?

2047
01:51:50,227 --> 01:51:53,107
Speaker 27: Some of them were really good, Like Ethens was great

2048
01:51:53,107 --> 01:51:55,747
Speaker 27: because it was a centenary. It was because it was

2049
01:51:55,787 --> 01:51:58,907
Speaker 27: the home of the Olympics. That was good. Sydney was

2050
01:51:58,947 --> 01:52:01,307
Speaker 27: good because it was so well run, and London was

2051
01:52:01,307 --> 01:52:03,547
Speaker 27: good because you were so familiar with London that it

2052
01:52:03,587 --> 01:52:05,187
Speaker 27: was easy Paris.

2053
01:52:05,627 --> 01:52:07,827
Speaker 2: What do you expect from the Paris Olympic Games.

2054
01:52:09,387 --> 01:52:10,467
Speaker 27: I suppose it'll be good.

2055
01:52:10,587 --> 01:52:11,067
Speaker 2: It'll be hot.

2056
01:52:11,107 --> 01:52:14,787
Speaker 27: I expected to be hot, really really busy. I mean,

2057
01:52:14,827 --> 01:52:18,307
Speaker 27: it's such a big tourist place. Jason and I know

2058
01:52:18,387 --> 01:52:20,707
Speaker 27: they were very determined to do a better job than

2059
01:52:20,747 --> 01:52:22,187
Speaker 27: they did last time they hosted it.

2060
01:52:22,307 --> 01:52:25,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was was it nineteen twenty four? Though

2061
01:52:25,147 --> 01:52:27,067
Speaker 2: that it's one hundred I'm surely they could do better

2062
01:52:27,107 --> 01:52:27,907
Speaker 2: one hundred years old.

2063
01:52:28,227 --> 01:52:30,547
Speaker 27: They hosted it in nineteen oh four and it was

2064
01:52:30,587 --> 01:52:33,587
Speaker 27: a total shambles. The Olympics lasted about five months and

2065
01:52:33,627 --> 01:52:36,227
Speaker 27: they were just part of a World Trades fair and

2066
01:52:36,427 --> 01:52:39,787
Speaker 27: were a real after thoughts, and they every now and

2067
01:52:39,827 --> 01:52:42,067
Speaker 27: then they'd stick in an Olympic event. It was nothing,

2068
01:52:42,107 --> 01:52:45,587
Speaker 27: and no one grasped the importance of the occasion at all.

2069
01:52:46,307 --> 01:52:48,987
Speaker 27: In nineteen twenty four, it was a very important Olympics

2070
01:52:49,027 --> 01:52:53,187
Speaker 27: because after World War One, Antwerp it had the Olympics

2071
01:52:53,347 --> 01:52:58,027
Speaker 27: nineteen twenty in Belgium devastated by World War one, really devastated,

2072
01:52:58,147 --> 01:53:01,187
Speaker 27: very poor, and it was it was hardly an Olympics.

2073
01:53:01,227 --> 01:53:03,187
Speaker 27: I don't know why they gave it to Antwerp. They

2074
01:53:03,187 --> 01:53:06,027
Speaker 27: weren't ready for it, so it had to be good

2075
01:53:06,347 --> 01:53:08,547
Speaker 27: in Paris in nineteen twenty four. Otherwise there was a

2076
01:53:08,547 --> 01:53:12,467
Speaker 27: bit of jeopardy for the whole Olympic movement. And that

2077
01:53:12,827 --> 01:53:15,387
Speaker 27: they did. They did well. De Kubertant was there, was

2078
01:53:15,467 --> 01:53:19,347
Speaker 27: quite ever present, and there was quite a few innovations,

2079
01:53:19,467 --> 01:53:23,707
Speaker 27: like the Olympic Village for athletes the first time that

2080
01:53:23,867 --> 01:53:26,307
Speaker 27: had been there. There they come up with the citius

2081
01:53:26,387 --> 01:53:32,947
Speaker 27: ltus fortius, the Olympic motto. There were medal ceremonies, there

2082
01:53:32,987 --> 01:53:34,787
Speaker 27: was quite a lot of things that came in the

2083
01:53:34,787 --> 01:53:37,787
Speaker 27: first time, and it was a pretty successful Olympics. Having

2084
01:53:37,827 --> 01:53:41,067
Speaker 27: said that, Jason, there was something like three thousand, two

2085
01:53:41,187 --> 01:53:44,947
Speaker 27: hundred just rounding it. Three two hundred athletes competed and

2086
01:53:45,027 --> 01:53:47,587
Speaker 27: only one hundred odd were women, so it was a

2087
01:53:47,587 --> 01:53:48,467
Speaker 27: man's event.

2088
01:53:48,627 --> 01:53:50,867
Speaker 2: Sounds like it. So if you look at the success

2089
01:53:50,907 --> 01:53:53,707
Speaker 2: of an Olympics, now, if for example, we get to

2090
01:53:53,707 --> 01:53:55,667
Speaker 2: the end of the Paris Olympic Games, what sort of

2091
01:53:55,667 --> 01:53:58,347
Speaker 2: things have to happen for it to be regarded as

2092
01:53:58,347 --> 01:53:59,587
Speaker 2: a successful Olympics.

2093
01:54:00,147 --> 01:54:02,467
Speaker 27: Well, you'd like to get through without a major incident,

2094
01:54:02,547 --> 01:54:05,867
Speaker 27: a security incident, that would be you know, and they

2095
01:54:05,907 --> 01:54:09,347
Speaker 27: do spend billions and billions of dollars on security, and

2096
01:54:10,227 --> 01:54:13,187
Speaker 27: it's great of a few heroes of the Olympics can emerge,

2097
01:54:13,227 --> 01:54:17,027
Speaker 27: people like Hussein Bolt or Michael Phelps and going back

2098
01:54:17,067 --> 01:54:20,067
Speaker 27: further as sort of an Olga Corbett or something like that.

2099
01:54:20,147 --> 01:54:22,507
Speaker 27: So it's nice if you can think, oh, yes, that

2100
01:54:22,627 --> 01:54:25,187
Speaker 27: was the Olympics that you know, Jason Pine was in

2101
01:54:25,227 --> 01:54:30,947
Speaker 27: the gymnastics and how good he was and so on. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2102
01:54:30,947 --> 01:54:34,027
Speaker 27: that's good. And then you'd like it to be a

2103
01:54:34,147 --> 01:54:37,067
Speaker 27: friendly Olympics. That for them to be an atmosphere of

2104
01:54:37,827 --> 01:54:41,907
Speaker 27: conviviality and collegiality and so on. And I mean it

2105
01:54:41,947 --> 01:54:44,827
Speaker 27: didn't happen in Atlanta. That was not an easy Olympics

2106
01:54:44,867 --> 01:54:48,747
Speaker 27: because of some absurd security stuff going on and various

2107
01:54:48,747 --> 01:54:51,707
Speaker 27: other problems. But generally is a nice feeling.

2108
01:54:52,187 --> 01:54:55,027
Speaker 2: As far as the athletes are concerned. The Olympics seems

2109
01:54:55,067 --> 01:54:58,107
Speaker 2: to have retained its relevance. And it's allure is that

2110
01:54:58,107 --> 01:54:59,187
Speaker 2: the feeling you get.

2111
01:54:59,267 --> 01:55:01,987
Speaker 27: Oh more than I mean, I mean, they point much

2112
01:55:02,027 --> 01:55:05,467
Speaker 27: more than forty years ago. They point their whole sports

2113
01:55:05,507 --> 01:55:09,147
Speaker 27: careers around the next Olympics. That's what they're aiming for.

2114
01:55:09,227 --> 01:55:12,027
Speaker 27: Even in the interim years when they're competing in World

2115
01:55:12,107 --> 01:55:14,347
Speaker 27: champion so and it's like this is good, this is

2116
01:55:14,387 --> 01:55:16,227
Speaker 27: a good stepping stone to the Olympics.

2117
01:55:16,307 --> 01:55:18,187
Speaker 2: How has that happened? How is it because it's a

2118
01:55:18,227 --> 01:55:22,427
Speaker 2: crowded sporting marketplace. How attention span seem to be minuscule

2119
01:55:22,507 --> 01:55:24,547
Speaker 2: by comparison to what they were a while ago. How's

2120
01:55:24,587 --> 01:55:27,027
Speaker 2: the Olympics retained its relevance?

2121
01:55:27,147 --> 01:55:29,907
Speaker 27: Oh, it's more than retained it though. I mean, it's

2122
01:55:29,947 --> 01:55:34,067
Speaker 27: become the major thing in most sports. I mean they've

2123
01:55:34,107 --> 01:55:36,067
Speaker 27: got tennis and golf in there, and I'm not sure

2124
01:55:36,147 --> 01:55:39,027
Speaker 27: that the tennis players or the golfers would put winning

2125
01:55:39,027 --> 01:55:42,427
Speaker 27: an Olympic gold medal anywhere near winning a Grand Slam

2126
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Speaker 27: tennis or a major golf event. And they have cycling,

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Speaker 27: and I still think they'd rather win the two de

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Speaker 27: France than an Olympic gold medal. But for virtually every

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Speaker 27: other sport, a World Champs is the next tier down

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Speaker 27: to winning an Olympic gold medal. And I guess the

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Speaker 27: longer time goes on and the more tradition there is,

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Speaker 27: the more important Olympic gold medal is.

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned Yusain Bolt before, So it's your feeling

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Speaker 2: that he would his Olympic gold medals more than his

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Speaker 2: World championship.

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Speaker 27: Absolutely, no question. In one World champce he broke in

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Speaker 27: the two hundred meters I think it was, and so

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Speaker 27: he was disqualified from that event and it was just

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Speaker 27: a blip in his career. Really, I tell you what

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Speaker 27: if that happened to him at an Olympics and that

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Speaker 27: was an Olympic gold medal thrown away, he'd be crying

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Speaker 27: about that today.

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Speaker 2: How do you regard the addition of new sports to

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Speaker 2: the Olympics, the likes of breakdancing, sport, climbing, skateboarding. How

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Speaker 2: do you feel about those sports?

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Speaker 27: I love it. I think it's great. The Olympics are

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Speaker 27: supposed to reflect the youth of today, and they do,

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Speaker 27: and they're great. The young people go out and express

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Speaker 27: themselves in ways that you couldn't have dreamed of. Its terrific.

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Speaker 27: I just wish that the IOC had the courage to

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Speaker 27: discard some of the sports that aren't relevant today. The

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Speaker 27: modern pentathlon invented over one hundred years ago for army people.

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Speaker 27: I mean, it's got no relevance today at all. No

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Speaker 27: one in the most countries in the world has even

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Speaker 27: heard of it, and also some of the fencing and

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Speaker 27: wrestling events and some other ones that they could have

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Speaker 27: a look at and discard without a lot of sweat.

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Speaker 2: Who was our greatest Olympian?

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Speaker 27: Well, ever, I always said Peter Snell, but I think

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Speaker 27: you'd have to I would. I would pass the torch

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Speaker 27: on to Lisa Carrington. Now, I think over three Olympics,

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Speaker 27: that level of achievement in the modern sports world, when

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Speaker 27: it's so competitive, pretty hard to go past her.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, no, I think you do. You're necessary. I

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Speaker 2: think whenever we talk about a greater sports person, I

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Speaker 2: think so Peter Snell jumps to the front of the

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Speaker 2: queue for a lot of people, doesn't he. But in

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Speaker 2: terms of because medals are only one part of it,

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Speaker 2: aren't they? But Dame Lisa has been consistently brilliant for

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Speaker 2: a long time.

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Speaker 27: Well, she was never beaten in her specialty event, the

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Speaker 27: two hundred meters just gone O course, yeah, yeah, they

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Speaker 27: do that. They did that with Olma when you know

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Speaker 27: the three thousand meters individual pursuit. Okay, that's out. Yeah,

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Speaker 27: So she was never beaten at any time, and that

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Speaker 27: in a success of world titles and then the ability

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Speaker 27: to go to the five hundred meters, a longer distance event.

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Speaker 27: It's like a sprinter going to the eight hundred meters

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Speaker 27: on the track and then also then to team up

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Speaker 27: in the pears and the fours and be winning medals

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Speaker 27: there too. So it's really fantastic and you have to

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Speaker 27: you have to salute her and go has anyone done

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Speaker 27: that well for New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: There could be more to come as well. Do you

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Speaker 2: have a favorite Olympic moment or do you have a

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Speaker 2: couple of moments that stand out from all of the

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Speaker 2: games she've covered.

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Speaker 27: I think the Olympic moment that stands out for me

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Speaker 27: was in Sydney in two thousand when Kathy Freeman won

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Speaker 27: the two the four hundred meters gold medal and a

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Speaker 27: home home at home, homegirl. She'd been the facy the Olympics.

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Speaker 27: She had fifteen story high billboards of her on buildings.

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Speaker 27: She'd carried the Olympic flame into the stadium. She was

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Speaker 27: the face of the Olympics. The pressure on that woman

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Speaker 27: was monumental. She came out onto the track, that Sydney

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Speaker 27: stadium was overflowing with people one hundred and eight and

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Speaker 27: twelve thousand people. I remember Brendan Telfer saying to me,

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Speaker 27: the city's gone Kathy Freeman mad. And she came out

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Speaker 27: in that space age suit she wore, and she went

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Speaker 27: out there and she won the gold medal and when

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Speaker 27: it finished, she just squatted down on the track in shock.

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Speaker 27: And you know what, I'm not surprised she never ran

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Speaker 27: that well again, because I don't think you can climb

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Speaker 27: that high a mountain twice.

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Speaker 2: Sydney wasn't a great Olympics for New Zealand, was it?

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Speaker 2: Consider how close it was. We didn't win many medals?

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Speaker 2: Are that wanted to we?

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Speaker 25: No?

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Speaker 27: No, it was terrible. We won one gold. I think

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Speaker 27: Roberdell won a gold and Barbara Kendall won a bronze

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Speaker 27: and we got I think a board sailing medal.

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Speaker 5: That was it.

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Speaker 27: I think, or no, Todd might have got a medal. Yeah,

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Speaker 27: that was it. Not much at all, and it really

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Speaker 27: signaled the end of the Sports Foundation. That model wasn't

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Speaker 27: working clearly, and a more professional attitude towards distributing funds

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Speaker 27: through what became Spark Sport in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's gone well in the last three I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, London, Rio Tokyo. We've gone up each time.

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Speaker 2: Tokyo was our best ever buy by the metric of

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Speaker 2: total medals. What twenty in Tokyo? Do you think twenty's

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Speaker 2: under threatened Paris?

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Speaker 27: No, I don't think we'll get to twenty. I mean

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Speaker 27: that was a fantastic achievement and the team behind the

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Speaker 27: team in Tokyo did so well to prepare those athletes

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Speaker 27: in that COVID environment and to make it comfortable for

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Speaker 27: them and able to perform well. It was a fantastic

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Speaker 27: effort by the Olympic Committee and by the competitors themselves.

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Speaker 27: Really fantastic and not easy circumstances. But you know some

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Speaker 27: of these sports. Rowing is a good example. We did

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Speaker 27: really well in Tokyo, and talking to the rowing people,

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Speaker 27: I don't think they're expecting anything like that medal hall

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Speaker 27: this time, and in fact they'll treasure every medal they get.

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Speaker 2: So you're over there, I think aligned to the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Olympic Committee. But will you get the chance to

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Speaker 2: watch other Are there sports that kiwis don't you know,

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Speaker 2: compete in or at a very high level that you

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Speaker 2: like to watch if you get the opportunity.

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Speaker 27: No, No, I probably wouldn't you mean like gymnastics. No,

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Speaker 27: I probably wouldn't, Jason, I'm busy enough, but I try

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Speaker 27: to get I'd try to get to the rock climbing,

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Speaker 27: for example, and that sort of thing, you know, something

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Speaker 27: novel and special. And I always made a point of

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Speaker 27: going to watch Bolt run because it was a performance

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Speaker 27: like watching Muhammad Ali, except he's running, not boxing. Yeah,

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Speaker 27: so there are things you set your sights on.

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Speaker 2: Is working in the sports media at an Olympic Games

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Speaker 2: easy or challenging.

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Speaker 27: It's easy on one hand because all the information is supplied,

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Speaker 27: it's incredible. There's in the main press center, which is

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Speaker 27: a massive, massive building, and the main room is huge.

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Speaker 27: There's TVs all around, and there's results flooding in, and

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Speaker 27: there's a lot of information available. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 27: you're jostling with you know, Peruvian TV and some African

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Speaker 27: radio stations doing practice broadcast two meters away from you,

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Speaker 27: and it's it's a very hectic, busy environment.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eight, you're after twenty twenty eighth.

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Speaker 27: I'm just trying to get through twenty four justin jeez, okay,

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Speaker 27: just happy. I'm breathing, and when I wake up in

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Speaker 27: the morning.

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Speaker 2: Well save travels to Paris. Thanks for popping in before

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Speaker 2: your head off. Look forward to seeing whether that twenty

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Speaker 2: is under threat and which our new Olympic heroes are

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Speaker 2: both New Zealanders and others emerge.

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Speaker 27: Good to Jetty and Joseph, you too, Jason, Thanks no.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on Joseph Romanos their honors way to

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Speaker 2: the Paris Olympic Games. Eight Away from three News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News.

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Speaker 2: Talks EB five to three. That is us for another

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Speaker 2: Sunday and another weekend of Weekend Sport. Thanks so much

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Speaker 2: for tuning in wherever you may have been, and we

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Speaker 2: hope to attract you back next weekend. In fact, from Thursday,

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Speaker 2: when the Olympic Games begins in a competitive sense with

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Speaker 2: our seven's men and our football side, our men's football side,

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Speaker 2: the Ollie Whites in action. Gold Sport is where you'll

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Speaker 2: find wall to wall coverage of the games of the

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Speaker 2: thirty third Olympiad in Paris. Huge thanks to Anna McDonald

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Speaker 2: for pulling the show together not only today but yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well. Thanks mate, we'll see it during the week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, as I say song to go

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Speaker 2: out as the official song of the nineteen ninety six

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Speaker 2: Summer Olympics held in Atlanta, Georgia. In the US, Cuban

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Speaker 2: American singer songwriter Gloria Estefarn on lead vocals. Here this

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Speaker 2: is reach.

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Speaker 25: Rejnaryjunary Junary.

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