1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: So, as you know, Chloe Swarbrick was kicked out of 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: the House again today after refusing to apologize for calling 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: opposition members spineless yesterday. I invite Chloe Swawbrick to withdraw 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: and apologize for an offensive comment made in the House yesterday. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: I won't be doing that. Missus. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: Speaker David Carter is the former Speaker of the House 7 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: and with us, Hey, David Hi Heaver. She did break 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: the rules, so didn't she? 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: Yes, she did. Her comment was unparliamentary. The important thing 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: is it's the Speaker's job to determine whether he thinks 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 2: it's unparliamentary or not, and then he gives an instruction 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: to her to leave abide by that. You've got no choice. 13 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: It is getting silly, though, isn't it, David? When she's 14 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: getting punished for basically calling opposition members spineless, and then 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: another old mate jumps up, Debbie jumps up, drops the 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: sea bomb, and there's no punishment for that. That's silly, 17 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: isn't it. 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, absolutely it is. There's no doubt in my 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: mind that the standards are declining. It's a tough environment 20 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: in there. You've got to sympathize with the speaker's position. 21 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Though he's sitting at he doesn't always hear everything clearly 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: because of the noise in the din and the interjections. 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: He's got to make an instant decision as to how 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 2: he reacts to any comment that's been made by any 25 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: of the one hundred and twenty Ove members of Parliament. He 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: doesn't have the chance to get an action replay like 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: a test rugby. He's got to make a decision. He's 28 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: got to back himself. 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: Do you agree with Winston Peters that being kicked out 30 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: for a whole week is about ott? 31 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 2: I think in my if I had been there doing 32 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: it and I decided that that remark was offensive, and 33 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: I had asked her to a draw and she'd refused, 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: I would have kicked her out for that day. I 35 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 2: would then have dealt with it as Jerry has today 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: by then asking her to at the start of question 37 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: time today to withdraw and apologize. If she had then refused, 38 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: I would probably have done the same as Jerry and 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: asked her to leave again. 40 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: Were you the speaker when John Keyes had get some guts? 41 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: Yes, it was sid You have time, That's exactly if 42 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: I If I had my time again, I should have 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: asked him to withdraw and apologize. And that's exactly the 44 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 2: point I'm making. I didn't hear it clearly at the time. 45 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: I let it ride. In hindsight, when you get a 46 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: chance to review the tape and hear it again, yes, 47 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: I would have asked him to withdraw and apologize. That 48 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: would have settled the house down if I've done that. 49 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: Interesting, David, thank you. I really appreciate your time, as 50 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: I always do. That's David Carter, former Speaker of the House. 51 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: news Talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 53 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.