Speaker 1: Live from the All Blacks Experience in the Auckland, CBD.
Speaker 1: This is the Agenda Podcast for Friday, the thirtieth of August.
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Speaker 1: Well, welcome into the podcast, Gelane. We are down here
Speaker 1: at All Blacks Experience, and it is a great pleasure
Speaker 1: to welcome in the como kid in Jones for the
Speaker 1: first time.
Speaker 3: Get a mate, he getting on.
Speaker 4: I'm very good, but I welcome on to the all
Speaker 4: sends great and thank you very much for having me
Speaker 4: Mike Lane out here. He was so good an experience, wasn't.
Speaker 3: He He was. Yeah, So we've just gone through come.
Speaker 1: I's just given us a full tour of the All
Speaker 1: Blacks Experience thing here, and I'm particularly proud of you
Speaker 1: Lane for leading us out fearlessly to face the hucker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's that's closest I'm going to get.
Speaker 5: And I talk about on this podcast quite a lot,
Speaker 5: coming about the fact when I turned thirty it was
Speaker 5: finally the age where I had to give away my
Speaker 5: dream of saying, you know, if I quit work and
Speaker 5: just trained, I could be an all black and at
Speaker 5: thirty it was quite a big moment for me when
Speaker 5: I said, you know that dream's gone, but.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Man, I'd put you under a little
Speaker 4: bit of pressure there. I said, they do this thing
Speaker 4: good and great is walking down that tunnel and either
Speaker 4: going to thrive, you get a relax. You got to
Speaker 4: smile and say I'm going to take this moment, or
Speaker 4: you tense up and you think shit. You know, I'd
Speaker 4: rather be sitting in the commentary box.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: Looking at you walking down there, you're shaking it off.
Speaker 3: Thanks man, pretty pumped up.
Speaker 4: You didn't take a backward step when we faced the haka.
Speaker 4: I think there's still a little bit of room there. Don't.
Speaker 4: Don't give away that dream.
Speaker 3: So thanks Carmer.
Speaker 5: That's made me feel a lot better about myself.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to put on some weight and you're
Speaker 4: going to have to do some skills.
Speaker 5: That's a little bit to work on it.
Speaker 3: Don't give away the dream.
Speaker 1: I would actually say that thirty was probably a little
Speaker 1: bit late for you, to be honest. I think everyone
Speaker 1: else might have figured that out a little bit earlier
Speaker 1: than you did.
Speaker 3: How good was the tour? Though oh so good.
Speaker 5: But Ian, you've just started a new job here, haven't
Speaker 5: you at All Blacks Experiences's while we're here, gave us
Speaker 5: a great tour. Can you explain what's happening there in
Speaker 5: your new role?
Speaker 4: Yep, superstoke to be able to do that general manager
Speaker 4: of the All Blacks Experience and why the tails is
Speaker 4: really just making this space really welcoming for all of
Speaker 4: our visits domestically and internationally to kind of share the secret.
Speaker 4: So who the all Blacks and their black fans are,
Speaker 4: Why do New Zealas love this game? Why we so
Speaker 4: damn good at this game? And then just let kids
Speaker 4: like you say your kids dream about becoming a black
Speaker 4: fan or all black you know, we want them to
Speaker 4: be able to sense it, smell it, and touch it.
Speaker 4: So the whole experience is about the making our grassroots. Mate,
Speaker 4: as I talk to you guys in there, all the
Speaker 4: clubs in New Zealand, they do an incredible job of
Speaker 4: making the next generation of black fans and all blacks
Speaker 4: sharing that love of the game. And then from that
Speaker 4: love of the game, we went to Shaping where me
Speaker 4: and Manara is on the team that dominated up there.
Speaker 4: So all the skills, the pressure, the agility, how you
Speaker 4: shape that love and becoming and lead athlete to them
Speaker 4: at the end being so making the sheeping and being
Speaker 4: an All Black. And then that's super super proud moment
Speaker 4: at the end when we walk down the tuner on
Speaker 4: face the hackers. So that's really what the all Black experiences,
Speaker 4: what New Zealand is to be so proud of this
Speaker 4: place and say connected to this place that they share
Speaker 4: it with world.
Speaker 3: Yeah awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean because that opened in twenty twenty, which at
Speaker 5: the time not a great time to open because it
Speaker 5: went straight into a pandemic. Look going on going on
Speaker 5: and looking at it or the All Black brand is,
Speaker 5: you know, probably New Zealand's strongest export in terms of
Speaker 5: a brand. So it's it's good to see that it's
Speaker 5: of being re energized a little bit. People are traveling again.
Speaker 5: You've got international visitors.
Speaker 1: We've got an argent Hindu that just come in there
Speaker 1: and tried to pick the William Wurbellis up off the
Speaker 1: table in front of us.
Speaker 3: So put those bloody gloves on, mate. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, because and also the fact that I knew about
Speaker 5: the all Blacks experience, and I think if you lived
Speaker 5: in Auckland, you would, But the perception that I had
Speaker 5: was always it was just just for tourists. But going
Speaker 5: around it with you today and seeing like the journey
Speaker 5: and everything like that, all the names on the walls,
Speaker 5: this is something that every key we should be doing.
Speaker 4: It's definitely not a museum. It's an interactive, forty five
Speaker 4: minute guided tour of you get to touch, you get
Speaker 4: to feel, you get to smell what it's like to
Speaker 4: be an all black and a black fer and you
Speaker 4: get to sense it. And really, what I want people
Speaker 4: to zoo is it Mike Lane or G Lane? What
Speaker 4: do you call them? Fame the G Lane? I want
Speaker 4: we want I want to share the wider the spirit
Speaker 4: of the all blacks. Right, so when you start in
Speaker 4: this journey, you kind of know who the all blacks are,
Speaker 4: but when you finish this journey, I want you to
Speaker 4: feel who the all blacks are. I want you to
Speaker 4: feel what it's like to be an all black, to
Speaker 4: be a black fern. I want you to just kind
Speaker 4: of have that moment. And that's what this tour is
Speaker 4: all about, just sharing the wider So Yep, New Zealand's
Speaker 4: absolutely will connect with it. And what I want New
Speaker 4: Zealanders to bring their kids, because they bring their kids.
Speaker 4: We've got the breaders, the cup at the moment, we've
Speaker 4: got the World Cup. We've just had the Freedom Cup.
Speaker 4: When you see trophies, when you touch trophies, you can
Speaker 4: dream about the mate. And when you dream about them,
Speaker 4: you can become them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Mean, and that's a great vision.
Speaker 5: I wish that I had done this tour as a kid,
Speaker 5: because I played a lot of I played representative of
Speaker 5: Rugby and Waikato and stuff like that. I was actually
Speaker 5: pretty good. Como, No, I wasn't that good. But you
Speaker 5: know what if on that experience having sitting the changing rooms,
Speaker 5: having all the all blacks talk to you past in
Speaker 5: prison around what it means and everything. I didn't really
Speaker 5: know that growing up as a kid. I just saw
Speaker 5: the all blacks playing you play. I didn't really get
Speaker 5: any of that connection whatsoever. So I am bringing my
Speaker 5: kids down here one dred percent, especially my seven year old,
Speaker 5: who's a complete nut job when it comes to rugby,
Speaker 5: and get him in their changing room and hopefully he
Speaker 5: can be my retirement.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well he'll ignite a dream, right, Yeah? Not the flame
Speaker 4: And what our guides do world class guys. They just
Speaker 4: share the stories that a lot of formal players are
Speaker 4: coming here and they share their journey into the jersey.
Speaker 4: They share their stories when they played South Africa for
Speaker 4: the first time. But the guides themselves had their own
Speaker 4: personal stories. And when we share stories like that, we
Speaker 4: connect with each other. And the great thing. Bring your
Speaker 4: kids down there. You had kept mer Lam who he
Speaker 4: had two days ago. Josh Cromfield was here this morning.
Speaker 4: They're going to bump into some players. When you bump
Speaker 4: into players in New Zealanders once more, why are the
Speaker 4: All Blacks so good? Or we are you? We are
Speaker 4: part of New Zealand. We're accessible to everyone out there
Speaker 4: and it should always be like that. So come and
Speaker 4: have a yarn that will share the stories the rivalries
Speaker 4: who are playing South Africa this coming weekend. Let me
Speaker 4: or a former All Black tell you how intense, how insane,
Speaker 4: how crazy that place is and how the All Backs
Speaker 4: have to be ready for it. We can do that together.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a great point that you raised about,
Speaker 1: Like I thought it was just for tourists as well,
Speaker 1: like if I was coming to New Zealand, it's from overseas.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is probably where I would go.
Speaker 1: I was like, as a local, I feel like I
Speaker 1: know the all black story until you're in there and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, I actually hang on and I
Speaker 1: and once we were walking down that tunitle, I'm started
Speaker 1: a bit of butterflies, starting to get a little bit nervous,
Speaker 1: you know, the energy is starting to build up. And
Speaker 1: then also obviously the fact that we had yourself as
Speaker 1: well leading us around. There's some old jerseys there that
Speaker 1: game warn jerseys from back in the day, and for
Speaker 1: someone who actually did all of it to be able
Speaker 1: to tell you, like what it's like, what your story
Speaker 1: was coming through as well.
Speaker 3: These jerseys they are the old cotton ones. Oh yeah, from.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. When you put on that jersey,
Speaker 4: you actually feel like you're putting on a Superman cape.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, you turn into a superhero, you honestly do. It's
Speaker 4: not just your jersey either, is it. It's a jerzy
Speaker 4: of all of those men that have been before you.
Speaker 4: Black fans think the same thing, and that is that
Speaker 4: power of that black jersey. I mean, the color has
Speaker 4: been with us for one hundred plus years. It is strong,
Speaker 4: It is us it's legacy. And we talk about legacy
Speaker 4: a lot in this country, and this is what this
Speaker 4: place is about. Legacy.
Speaker 3: And it was a bit of a moment there for you. Man.
Speaker 5: You saw a relative on the wall there as we
Speaker 5: walk through, every single all black yes that has gone
Speaker 5: has got their name on the wall as you walk
Speaker 5: through the corridor.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Mine's not up there yet, but my Lan's brother is
Speaker 1: Billy Bush, who was I think All Black number seven
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight. And as we were walking through
Speaker 1: the hallways, I was just sort of scanning the wall
Speaker 1: and then it came up and there's Bloody W.
Speaker 3: Bush there, Old Billy.
Speaker 4: Check that out. So you are part of the family,
Speaker 4: you see. I like to think you becoming all black,
Speaker 4: your family becomings all black. So when I right there
Speaker 4: on the coattails.
Speaker 3: Yeah a good description.
Speaker 1: Still time, still time to get my number up there
Speaker 1: may heaven year. So people want to come down here
Speaker 1: and check this out. How often are that? Because there's
Speaker 1: guided tours every so often? How often a they? How
Speaker 1: do people get all their tickets? And it for seven
Speaker 1: days a week.
Speaker 4: The only day we're not opening is Christmas Day, But
Speaker 4: come along ten till five. There's tours on the hour.
Speaker 4: We can make them groups of twenty six. But we
Speaker 4: can cater for everything. Everything is doable. Kids, birthdays, birthdays,
Speaker 4: which is great, awesome. For corporate events, we do some leadership.
Speaker 4: We had your good mate in here the other day,
Speaker 4: Kieren redoing some of them leadership, which is just so powerful.
Speaker 4: Here's a guy that has been there, done that and
Speaker 4: got the t ship right. So much man, so amazing
Speaker 4: stuff we can do with Permance Lab, which is New
Speaker 4: Zeala Rugby, just leadership, seminars, execs, high end, great merchandise.
Speaker 4: So come down and maybe we can get yourself a jersey,
Speaker 4: yeah avoided name jersey.
Speaker 5: You need bush on the backs.
Speaker 3: Bush, that's all it is.
Speaker 4: So yeah, come along. So since Sky's City, Federal Street,
Speaker 4: you on CBD, come along here at the moment because
Speaker 4: I'm just started. I'm such a generous guy. You come
Speaker 4: along this month and next I'm going to give you
Speaker 4: free parking. How about that we give them free parking
Speaker 4: in Sky's City. Come along, hang out with us, Come
Speaker 4: to this front count and say, hey, Carmo sent me along.
Speaker 4: They're going to look after you.
Speaker 3: It's worth coming down here. Just to check out the shot.
Speaker 3: The shop itself is awesome. I mean, yeah, it is good.
Speaker 5: I'm going to have you PERUSA after its little can
Speaker 5: I can I offer one bit of feedback on the
Speaker 5: tour the changing room from my experience, I think it
Speaker 5: needs a little bit more liniment, yes, or maybe some
Speaker 5: deep heat or you know, just just at.
Speaker 4: You are old school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 5: And maybe some electrical tape that I could just because
Speaker 5: I one thing I was missing was just winding electric
Speaker 5: tape around my head mindlessly and then running out to
Speaker 5: the park. It should be an option for some people
Speaker 5: to be able to strap up and just fall rub down. Okay,
Speaker 5: I'll take or making a mental shot that down in
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some of these jerseys and then also your
Speaker 1: journey as well comer.
Speaker 3: So we're going to take quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: So we are down here at the All Blacks Experience
Speaker 1: in the heart of Auckland, CBD. Sitting right in front
Speaker 1: of us with William Wibellos trophy. To our right are
Speaker 1: a bunch of jerseys that we had to look at
Speaker 1: when we went down into the changing rooms there.
Speaker 3: Some of these are they your game Warn jerseys, two of.
Speaker 4: Them are my game Warn jerseys, and one is a
Speaker 4: very very special jersey. He does know I've got it actually,
Speaker 4: But at the moment we have these rivalry tours, so
Speaker 4: our guides and the South. When I'm down here, we've
Speaker 4: got some former players coming along talking about who are
Speaker 4: our greatest rivals. Well, without question, it is a spring Books.
Speaker 4: They think, they breathe. They love the game like we
Speaker 4: love the game. And the greatest challenge for an All
Speaker 4: Black is the goodest sat ever and play at Alis
Speaker 4: Park and win it Ellis Park, like the greatest challenge
Speaker 4: for a Springbok is to come to New Zealand and
Speaker 4: to try and win at Eden Park. So they are
Speaker 4: greatest rivals. But the jersey I have, I'd love people
Speaker 4: to come down at his game worn and please you
Speaker 4: can see a little bit of blood on it, sweet
Speaker 4: on the collar our captain Sean Fitzpatrick. In the nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety six series. We played them five times that year,
Speaker 4: two in the Try Nations three in a series, but
Speaker 4: that jersey was from Test match number two of the
Speaker 4: series in Pretoria and the moment everyone will know is
Speaker 4: right on full time. Sean Fitzpatrick US, we've defended the
Speaker 4: line for about four or five minutes, these big yolks
Speaker 4: just going hammer and tongs. Yep, people will know that
Speaker 4: sounds that's.
Speaker 3: That is iconic.
Speaker 5: That's up there with the Lomu my cat. That's up
Speaker 5: there with almost beavers cac. Yes, in terms of those
Speaker 5: iconic kind of moments, and that that thumping of the
Speaker 5: ground and the first time that the All Blacks had
Speaker 5: won a series in South Africa in ninety ninety six.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that whole series is set up, as I said,
Speaker 4: five games that your first test and crow shots you won.
Speaker 4: But the key games building up the series was and
Speaker 4: it was a classic All Black test match in Newland's
Speaker 4: last test of the Try Nations. Everyone remember it for
Speaker 4: the big you know, the gigantic trophy, the one they'd
Speaker 4: made in inches rather than centimeters. Yeah, yeah, you need
Speaker 4: if you go on YouTube ninety ninety six Newland's All
Speaker 4: Black game. It is a ridiculously huge Tri Nations trophy.
Speaker 4: Please go and have a look at that as an
Speaker 4: iconic but a kit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's huge.
Speaker 4: But to set up the series, we knew he had
Speaker 4: to dominate that game, and in particular we knew he
Speaker 4: had to physically dominate the skipper of France, Fois Pinat.
Speaker 4: Absolutely put him to the sword, took him out of
Speaker 4: the match, just cheer physicality.
Speaker 5: Was anyone in particular that you had that job, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean? It was a couple of players.
Speaker 4: It was an eight man effort. Just let's take let's
Speaker 4: get into Francois because he was their skipper, right, he
Speaker 4: was their leader.
Speaker 5: Was anyone in particular who you could single out who
Speaker 5: just gave him the treatment?
Speaker 3: His eyes lit up, my great mate.
Speaker 4: I think he played his best Test match for the
Speaker 4: All Blacks that day was Craigdown. Craig Down was, without
Speaker 4: question the private match in that game. He was on fire.
Speaker 4: Is a little bit of pressure for bull Ellen for
Speaker 4: the Test. Spot absolutely rose to the occasion to je
Speaker 4: throw and was just awesome on that day. And that
Speaker 4: set up the Durban when we had to win in Durban.
Speaker 4: Absolutely broke it down to the Durban, which is the
Speaker 4: first Test. Because we won Durban, it gave us the
Speaker 4: chance to wrap up the series of betore. We did
Speaker 4: not want to go to Ellis Park one all and
Speaker 4: it wouldn't have been good. So one on Durbin gave
Speaker 4: us a chance to win a Victoria. That is where
Speaker 4: that jersey is from. And I'm saying, jerseys, this is
Speaker 4: what you can do here at the All Black Experience.
Speaker 4: Come down and personalize your own jersey. There's a Lane seven.
Speaker 3: I did play seven.
Speaker 4: I thought you were going to be laying eight as
Speaker 4: a read eight.
Speaker 3: There's a Stewart eight. Stuart three. May shock you to
Speaker 3: learn I played on the waning back in the day.
Speaker 4: But they do look good.
Speaker 5: I feel I feel terrible Camo that there they are
Speaker 5: on the same rank as those jerseys, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Actually it's actually a bit of Seawan Fitzpatrick's blood on
Speaker 1: the color of mine now.
Speaker 4: And the other jersey I've got them, they just very finished.
Speaker 4: The jerseys from my opposition on the day the nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety five Rugby World Cup Final and Astridum was the
Speaker 4: guy's name. The jerseys are actually stopped swap. Sorry after
Speaker 4: not on the field they celebrated. We went in a
Speaker 4: mood to do anything, went up through our respective changing room.
Speaker 4: So it's along walk up this tunnel, elis park up
Speaker 4: some stairs up there, changing sheds and then over time,
Speaker 4: as spring Block and all Black rugby teams do, we
Speaker 4: got together for a bit of a yard in the jerseys.
Speaker 5: So with the jerseys, it's a new This might be
Speaker 5: a stupid question, but you get a new jersey each
Speaker 5: game and it's up to you if you want to
Speaker 5: swap it or get rid of it, or you know,
Speaker 5: or pass it on the.
Speaker 4: Way that it used to happen back in the day,
Speaker 4: because we also had games during during the week. For
Speaker 4: those matches during the week, we had to hand our
Speaker 4: jerseys back. Yeah, watched them for the next Tuesday's game.
Speaker 4: But for test matches you got to keep your test
Speaker 4: match jersey and kitch focks and shorts and top and
Speaker 4: the news just swapped it every time. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think I pretty much swapped it every test match,
Speaker 4: played seventy nine test matches, pretty much swapped it every time.
Speaker 4: Later on, towards the end of the career, they started
Speaker 4: kind of giving you two jerseys.
Speaker 3: Yes I wanted to.
Speaker 4: Swap and one to keep. So yeah, and I've got
Speaker 4: a stack of jerseys somewhere.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 5: You talk about your opposition there in South Africa All
Speaker 5: Blacks this weekend against South Africa. Who was the biggest
Speaker 5: badass South African player you came across in your career.
Speaker 4: Oh, Mane, there's a whole list that these guys are
Speaker 4: into you, right. The thing about ser Africans they want
Speaker 4: to physically dominate you. That's the mindset. They're so confident
Speaker 4: that that's all they want to do. So you have
Speaker 4: to match that. Mark Andrews was intense. He was not
Speaker 4: as physically as huge as say the Cobers visas or
Speaker 4: the Barley Schwartz of the world are the Reuben Kruger's,
Speaker 4: but he was intense and came at you and at
Speaker 4: you and at you, so you have to keep coming
Speaker 4: back and back and back. Lucky for me, I had
Speaker 4: a guy called Robert Brooker could do all of that,
Speaker 4: so I physically didn't have to worry about doing that.
Speaker 4: But he was a guy or Ruben Kruger. I mentioned
Speaker 4: ninety five Red World Cup blindside flank. He was right
Speaker 4: up there, the man. You ha LaRue that that's his ear.
Speaker 5: And one has great quote after long afterwards, was I
Speaker 5: think I could have bit in his ear right off.
Speaker 4: Well that's what when you I love that Saragon accent
Speaker 4: because when you went to walk into the ground. That's
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Hey, we're going tot's clumb you into
Speaker 4: the ground.
Speaker 5: That soarvagant scrump, just getting down and dirty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the thing. But the thing, you know,
Speaker 4: we keep saying, sir, Efrikans are strong, Sarafrigans are tough.
Speaker 4: But remember, lads, the All Blacks are all of that
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: And our record over there, we've won twenty six over there,
Speaker 5: they've only won twenty five, so we're a.
Speaker 3: Head on that tally. That's incredible.
Speaker 5: In New Zealand, it's thirty three to ten or something
Speaker 5: to the All Blacks.
Speaker 3: So you're right.
Speaker 5: We always talk about how brutal and they are, but hey,
Speaker 5: I mean the record shows that weird.
Speaker 4: We're the thing when you play, that's mindset right. Physically,
Speaker 4: we're going to be as big, as strong as I know,
Speaker 4: we're more skillful and quickly. We can think all of that,
Speaker 4: but it's mindset. So you have to match them. And
Speaker 4: they think they're going to dominate you, and they think
Speaker 4: they've just got to scrum you or rock you. You have
Speaker 4: to attack their perceived number one weapon. What's the first
Speaker 4: rule of war? Take out what they think is their
Speaker 4: number one weapon. When you take that out, what have
Speaker 4: they got? They got plenty, but they got plenty. But
Speaker 4: that's in your mind. If that's what you think.
Speaker 5: Who do you think is the number one weapon for
Speaker 5: South Africa this weekend that the deal should be targeting?
Speaker 5: Well the crowd, yeah, right at the stadium.
Speaker 4: I mean, I cannot emphasize to you enough how crazy
Speaker 4: this place is. Right, And you have to be fully
Speaker 4: prepared for Ellis Park, and not just prepared for Elis Park.
Speaker 4: You have to be prepared for like the one drive
Speaker 4: from Alice Park. You know, you hop off the motorway,
Speaker 4: all pretty good. Ellis Park's in a pretty tough area
Speaker 4: of joe Burg and it's from then it's intense. So
Speaker 4: you actually got to use that energy, use that mannic
Speaker 4: kind of behavior to your advantage. You need to be ready
Speaker 4: for that, right, and then you stop the bus, which
Speaker 4: is cool. You have to walk from the bus to
Speaker 4: the stadius. You're walking through them. And the way Saraficants
Speaker 4: prepare for a two thirty game is at breakfast time.
Speaker 4: They are into it from the start, so they are
Speaker 4: they come from a good place and it's brilliant, right,
Speaker 4: But then from that you can go into your changing
Speaker 4: sheads and you're around your mates, it's a little bit
Speaker 4: calmer before game time. But for me, you, our guys
Speaker 4: have to be kind of ready for that. We were
Speaker 4: ready for that in twenty two because we're under the pump, right, Well,
Speaker 4: some of our guys haven't been there, so we've got
Speaker 4: to make sure you, Me and Jason, Ryan and Razor
Speaker 4: got to make sure these guys are ready for that.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come back
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about this game coming up this weekend.
Speaker 1: And because it's making me nervous, so I need you
Speaker 1: to come and nerves a little bit, we'll take quick break.
Speaker 1: We're right back, Welcome back into the podcast. We've got
Speaker 1: a couple of South Africans just watching us do this
Speaker 1: as well, so they are all is to hear what's
Speaker 1: your production for this weekend. But this is, like you said,
Speaker 1: for a lot of these players their first time over
Speaker 1: there at Alice Park.
Speaker 3: I think it's called.
Speaker 1: Something else due to sponsorship rights now, but they're not
Speaker 1: paying us since we won't be saying what is going
Speaker 1: to be the biggest thing about walking out into the
Speaker 1: field for those players who haven't been there at Alice
Speaker 1: Park before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question.
Speaker 4: To just meet that intensity with their own intensity, to
Speaker 4: know that they're going into this squadroom, but to know
Speaker 4: that they can meet that fire. And that's a real
Speaker 4: good mindset to hem. And I think you know there's
Speaker 4: been stuff happening off the field and the all Back
Speaker 4: coaching staff and ad to no disrespect to Leom mcdoniber,
Speaker 4: I think that can actually be a good thing for
Speaker 4: New Zealand Psyche because New Zealand is All Blacks in particular,
Speaker 4: it really good when we circle the wagons, right, it's
Speaker 4: all a sudden it's us against them and we play
Speaker 4: soer arica. It's not the team you're playing. You're playing
Speaker 4: the nation, right, But New Zealand's love that. It's circle
Speaker 4: of wagons, razor or bring it and this is our
Speaker 4: team now, this is our coaching staff, this is who
Speaker 4: we are. We're now away from New Zealand. So that's
Speaker 4: actually to me as a positive positive. So it's making me, yeah,
Speaker 4: really excited by the weekend and actually thinking the All
Speaker 4: Blacks are going to do really good, even though these
Speaker 4: South Africas are making us nervous talking about the game.
Speaker 4: I think we're in a good, good, good spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think a few were to ask the
Speaker 1: South Africans, they would have said, like, how kind a
Speaker 1: team that just lost Argentina at home just a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago? What could have changed between then and going
Speaker 1: over to South Africa that you know, would make you
Speaker 1: think that they could then beat the world champions?
Speaker 4: Heaps, because it's we're playing Seraca, Alice Parker starts, it's
Speaker 4: a whole different ballgame. Clearly there's a lot stuff going
Speaker 4: on off the field leading up to that first Test match.
Speaker 4: When we look back now on hindsight that Argentina on
Speaker 4: amazing day, they took the chances that came their way,
Speaker 4: and what happened, what happened. But momentum is a great
Speaker 4: thing in sport, isn't it. All of a sudden must
Speaker 4: have a change of management or structure of something was
Speaker 4: happening here at Eden Park. The team played so much difference,
Speaker 4: so much more intense, so much for width, So all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, that momentum is going. Now they'll carry
Speaker 4: that momentum to Alice park As I said, circle of wagons,
Speaker 4: this is our moment we did it in twenty two.
Speaker 4: Jason Ryan was here in twenty two. Here'll have the
Speaker 4: guys super amped right to absolutely take on the Springboks.
Speaker 4: What they think they con dominated us at. We matched
Speaker 4: that we have the width, we have the skills, we
Speaker 4: have the speed, Scott Barrett's back. So all of that
Speaker 4: I think of oz in the All Black camp and
Speaker 4: the way we're starting to took ourselves up now men,
Speaker 4: I think we're in good shape.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to believe from an excell and o standpoint,
Speaker 1: people have been talking about the lineout for the All
Speaker 1: Blacks and that it's been a bit It was a
Speaker 1: bit off in that first Argentinian game.
Speaker 3: Did it come right in the second one? Do you think, yeah?
Speaker 4: It did it?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 4: I just so at times I think we over complicate
Speaker 4: things when we own the ball, certainly an attitude, we
Speaker 4: own the pace of the game, and I think that's
Speaker 4: all we have to then control the pace in terms
Speaker 4: of getting to line out, executing really quickly, be really
Speaker 4: clear and precise on our calls, and just do what
Speaker 4: we want to do rather than never let it slow
Speaker 4: down so the Serificans can translate to their pace. We
Speaker 4: have to own the ball. We have to own the pace.
Speaker 4: From that we can control the football.
Speaker 1: I say, Andrew, they used sor right, they love just
Speaker 1: bogging the game right down.
Speaker 3: They were calling for scrums.
Speaker 1: Off marks at the World cupter they call them mark
Speaker 1: and then can we back a scrum down ninety minutes
Speaker 1: away from the try line.
Speaker 3: It's such a negative football, But can.
Speaker 4: I say these fun things? Sorry about lineouts? Even here
Speaker 4: it's been on the bench, he's started, Yes, one, that
Speaker 4: guy's starting. If a dude like that is sitting on
Speaker 4: the bench could potentially play for seventy five minutes, he's
Speaker 4: playing for sixty. So we got to get there and
Speaker 4: down mind that guy starting and right, let's target him,
Speaker 4: but he might take him out of.
Speaker 5: Again of mind games obviously from Erasmus and speaking of
Speaker 5: got Rastmus and then you've got Robinson. Are they two
Speaker 5: of the most eccentric coaches ever seen in world rugby?
Speaker 4: I hope? So? Isn't that good?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is that good?
Speaker 4: Because we've got to get behind the theme, the passion,
Speaker 4: the way raiser connects with you and me, but our
Speaker 4: kids more importantly, once they start connecting with our kids,
Speaker 4: this whole teent, this whole country is behind the All Blacks.
Speaker 4: They are non biased boys, but they are our team.
Speaker 4: They are our country's team. And when the All Blacks
Speaker 4: are firing and the All Blacks are winning in these
Speaker 4: hostile environments like Ellis Park, the country's doing good. Boys.
Speaker 1: Between Razzie with his flashing lights and then raising with
Speaker 1: his breakdown saying it's going to be like a blue
Speaker 1: light disc go out there.
Speaker 3: So what's your prediction All Blacks are going to take
Speaker 3: this one out?
Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be tight or do
Speaker 1: you think that we actually could put quite a score
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 4: Oh, there's no questions. It's going to be tight. We're
Speaker 4: absolutely going to be tight. Now we're playing at their
Speaker 4: Eden Park, right, they don't want to lose at there
Speaker 4: Eden Park. Look, we never gonna well have because I
Speaker 4: lost that game in ninety four.
Speaker 3: I was there.
Speaker 5: I was there, and I goes, oh it was the
Speaker 5: last time they lost at Eden Park.
Speaker 4: I remember I was there. So it's going to be tight.
Speaker 4: But we have to the first twenty minutes to me
Speaker 4: will tell you the match. And we have to say
Speaker 4: come out absolutely firing. We have to be intense, we
Speaker 4: have to play with speed like they can't match because
Speaker 4: lolsk we don't play against them that much. They don't
Speaker 4: play against us that much, and there's some guys in
Speaker 4: our team they don't know. We have to play the speed,
Speaker 4: width and pace and skill that They're going, Shit, what's
Speaker 4: happening here? I can't last the next sixty minutes. So
Speaker 4: we got to get some points on the board and
Speaker 4: we've just got to keep that. We have to have
Speaker 4: more intense moments than them. If we keep the pressure
Speaker 4: for longer than them, we win the match. So I'm
Speaker 4: all on, boys.
Speaker 5: We need in the dressing room.
Speaker 1: We've had you in the old the All Blacks experience
Speaker 1: Shadow that was exciting, but we need to get you there.
Speaker 5: At least at least in at least in the commentary
Speaker 5: box before the match. All that I'm talking about for
Speaker 5: us the basically do them. I'm just talking about, you know,
Speaker 5: Joe Public and people. They need you in the lounge
Speaker 5: at three am, coming in with two cups of tea
Speaker 5: and then just giving it to them about how we're
Speaker 5: going to win, and then you leave and go to
Speaker 5: the next house, make cup tea.
Speaker 3: Hey, that's a.
Speaker 4: Great idea you've just given me. Why don't we maybe
Speaker 4: I'll look to doing something here the All Blacks Experience
Speaker 4: when when the time zones match and we're gonna you
Speaker 4: boys can help ourselves. Let's have some watch parties. Let's
Speaker 4: come along here, let's put the big screen up. You
Speaker 4: guys can do some commentary, you know, oh fire the
Speaker 4: troops up before and a halftime. It's still watch parties.
Speaker 4: So watch this space experience.
Speaker 3: That would be great and they will hold you to that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's on. It's on record. Carrie's like, oh god,
Speaker 5: I'm going to make this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right marketing having out down down to hear that.
Speaker 4: Before we wrap up, I just want one last thing
Speaker 4: on this new All Black Experience. And what we're so
Speaker 4: excited about this is a joint venture which is brilliant.
Speaker 4: New Zealand Rugby Union and our partners not Taho Tourism,
Speaker 4: and they had just been phenomenal. They are just so
Speaker 4: I mean, they connect with New Zealanders for a start,
Speaker 4: but they get us and that was the most important
Speaker 4: thing right from the very start, that they understood who
Speaker 4: we were as all blacks, the values of all blacks,
Speaker 4: and how we want to share those secrets. Because a
Speaker 4: great thing about sharing as you know, lads, is that
Speaker 4: means the all bocs have to keep evolving. So just
Speaker 4: a little tip. When we share, we're sharing last year's secrets,
Speaker 4: not this year's secrets. So that's how the all Blacks
Speaker 4: get better and better. Say now, I'm so such a
Speaker 4: beautiful partnership. I tell you tourism in New Zealand Rugby
Speaker 4: and are we going to take this to the world
Speaker 4: voice and you guys are going to help us.
Speaker 5: You've got a dream job. You've got a dream job
Speaker 5: here come also, best of luck with it. You're only
Speaker 5: what four days in? Who got you in your fresh
Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks very much.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Coming down. Hey, listen, New Zealand's
Speaker 4: this is a place for you to be very proud of.
Speaker 4: Come along, bring your family and then bring you overseas
Speaker 4: guests and we'll look after them for you.
Speaker 3: Brilliant. Thanks very much.
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