WEBVTT - "Ian Jones Live From the All Blacks Experience!" 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.800 Live from the All Blacks Experience in the Auckland, CBD. 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.960 This is the Agenda Podcast for Friday, the thirtieth of August. 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:11.280 The Agenda Podcast, the home of Sporting Nonsense and clap Trap, 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:13.600 brought to you my names for Vulgra. 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:18.120 Well, welcome into the podcast, Gelane. We are down here 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:20.479 at All Blacks Experience, and it is a great pleasure 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.799 to welcome in the como kid in Jones for the 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:23.320 first time. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:24.600 Get a mate, he getting on. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.360 I'm very good, but I welcome on to the all 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.600 sends great and thank you very much for having me 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:32.200 Mike Lane out here. He was so good an experience, wasn't. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.240 He He was. Yeah, So we've just gone through come. 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:36.599 I's just given us a full tour of the All 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.240 Blacks Experience thing here, and I'm particularly proud of you 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.600 Lane for leading us out fearlessly to face the hucker. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.360 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's that's closest I'm going to get. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.199 And I talk about on this podcast quite a lot, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.280 coming about the fact when I turned thirty it was 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.239 finally the age where I had to give away my 0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:56.080 dream of saying, you know, if I quit work and 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.360 just trained, I could be an all black and at 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.480 thirty it was quite a big moment for me when 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.160 I said, you know that dream's gone, but. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:03.920 I don't know. Man, I'd put you under a little 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.840 bit of pressure there. I said, they do this thing 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.840 good and great is walking down that tunnel and either 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.680 going to thrive, you get a relax. You got to 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.360 smile and say I'm going to take this moment, or 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.800 you tense up and you think shit. You know, I'd 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.560 rather be sitting in the commentary box. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.520 But I don't know. 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.000 Looking at you walking down there, you're shaking it off. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.399 Thanks man, pretty pumped up. 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.039 You didn't take a backward step when we faced the haka. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.560 I think there's still a little bit of room there. Don't. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:29.720 Don't give away that dream. 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:30.720 So thanks Carmer. 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:32.240 That's made me feel a lot better about myself. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:33.560 You're gonna have to put on some weight and you're 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.600 going to have to do some skills. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:36.640 That's a little bit to work on it. 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:37.720 Don't give away the dream. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:39.759 I would actually say that thirty was probably a little 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.600 bit late for you, to be honest. I think everyone 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.000 else might have figured that out a little bit earlier 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:44.560 than you did. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.800 How good was the tour? Though oh so good. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.320 But Ian, you've just started a new job here, haven't 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:52.720 you at All Blacks Experiences's while we're here, gave us 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.560 a great tour. Can you explain what's happening there in 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:56.080 your new role? 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.600 Yep, superstoke to be able to do that general manager 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.840 of the All Blacks Experience and why the tails is 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.640 really just making this space really welcoming for all of 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:07.440 our visits domestically and internationally to kind of share the secret. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.200 So who the all Blacks and their black fans are, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:11.880 Why do New Zealas love this game? Why we so 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.760 damn good at this game? And then just let kids 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.680 like you say your kids dream about becoming a black 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.240 fan or all black you know, we want them to 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.000 be able to sense it, smell it, and touch it. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.720 So the whole experience is about the making our grassroots. Mate, 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.480 as I talk to you guys in there, all the 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.440 clubs in New Zealand, they do an incredible job of 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.000 making the next generation of black fans and all blacks 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:37.920 sharing that love of the game. And then from that 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:40.239 love of the game, we went to Shaping where me 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.440 and Manara is on the team that dominated up there. 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.160 So all the skills, the pressure, the agility, how you 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.440 shape that love and becoming and lead athlete to them 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.160 at the end being so making the sheeping and being 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.799 an All Black. And then that's super super proud moment 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:00.160 at the end when we walk down the tuner on 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.880 face the hackers. So that's really what the all Black experiences, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.080 what New Zealand is to be so proud of this 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.320 place and say connected to this place that they share 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:08.840 it with world. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:09.760 Yeah awesome. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:14.079 I mean because that opened in twenty twenty, which at 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.120 the time not a great time to open because it 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:19.000 went straight into a pandemic. Look going on going on 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.160 and looking at it or the All Black brand is, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.080 you know, probably New Zealand's strongest export in terms of 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:28.480 a brand. So it's it's good to see that it's 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.560 of being re energized a little bit. People are traveling again. 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:32.919 You've got international visitors. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.800 We've got an argent Hindu that just come in there 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:37.680 and tried to pick the William Wurbellis up off the 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:38.520 table in front of us. 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.440 So put those bloody gloves on, mate. Yeah. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.040 Well, because and also the fact that I knew about 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.320 the all Blacks experience, and I think if you lived 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.400 in Auckland, you would, But the perception that I had 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.760 was always it was just just for tourists. But going 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.840 around it with you today and seeing like the journey 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.720 and everything like that, all the names on the walls, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.600 this is something that every key we should be doing. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.080 It's definitely not a museum. It's an interactive, forty five 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.600 minute guided tour of you get to touch, you get 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.760 to feel, you get to smell what it's like to 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:11.640 be an all black and a black fer and you 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:13.520 get to sense it. And really, what I want people 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.960 to zoo is it Mike Lane or G Lane? What 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.080 do you call them? Fame the G Lane? I want 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.800 we want I want to share the wider the spirit 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.080 of the all blacks. Right, so when you start in 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:29.479 this journey, you kind of know who the all blacks are, 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.520 but when you finish this journey, I want you to 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.919 feel who the all blacks are. I want you to 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.320 feel what it's like to be an all black, to 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.400 be a black fern. I want you to just kind 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.120 of have that moment. And that's what this tour is 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.920 all about, just sharing the wider So Yep, New Zealand's 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.200 absolutely will connect with it. And what I want New 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.520 Zealanders to bring their kids, because they bring their kids. 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.320 We've got the breaders, the cup at the moment, we've 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.400 got the World Cup. We've just had the Freedom Cup. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.840 When you see trophies, when you touch trophies, you can 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.920 dream about the mate. And when you dream about them, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:03.200 you can become them. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.119 Yeah. Mean, and that's a great vision. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.240 I wish that I had done this tour as a kid, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:10.800 because I played a lot of I played representative of 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.359 Rugby and Waikato and stuff like that. I was actually 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:18.159 pretty good. Como, No, I wasn't that good. But you 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.760 know what if on that experience having sitting the changing rooms, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.760 having all the all blacks talk to you past in 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.880 prison around what it means and everything. I didn't really 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:27.479 know that growing up as a kid. I just saw 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.440 the all blacks playing you play. I didn't really get 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.480 any of that connection whatsoever. So I am bringing my 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.880 kids down here one dred percent, especially my seven year old, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.120 who's a complete nut job when it comes to rugby, 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.800 and get him in their changing room and hopefully he 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.040 can be my retirement. 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:43.600 Yeah. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:47.240 Well he'll ignite a dream, right, Yeah? Not the flame 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.000 And what our guides do world class guys. They just 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.640 share the stories that a lot of formal players are 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:54.880 coming here and they share their journey into the jersey. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.800 They share their stories when they played South Africa for 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.360 the first time. But the guides themselves had their own 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.560 personal stories. And when we share stories like that, we 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.000 connect with each other. And the great thing. Bring your 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.000 kids down there. You had kept mer Lam who he 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.600 had two days ago. Josh Cromfield was here this morning. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.479 They're going to bump into some players. When you bump 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.479 into players in New Zealanders once more, why are the 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.000 All Blacks so good? Or we are you? We are 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.240 part of New Zealand. We're accessible to everyone out there 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.200 and it should always be like that. So come and 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.280 have a yarn that will share the stories the rivalries 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.800 who are playing South Africa this coming weekend. Let me 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.320 or a former All Black tell you how intense, how insane, 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.800 how crazy that place is and how the All Backs 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.760 have to be ready for it. We can do that together. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:42.719 I thought it was a great point that you raised about, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.480 Like I thought it was just for tourists as well, 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.440 like if I was coming to New Zealand, it's from overseas. 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.240 I was like, this is probably where I would go. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:49.839 I was like, as a local, I feel like I 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.760 know the all black story until you're in there and 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.680 then you're like, oh, I actually hang on and I 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.120 and once we were walking down that tunitle, I'm started 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.799 a bit of butterflies, starting to get a little bit nervous, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.479 you know, the energy is starting to build up. And 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:04.880 then also obviously the fact that we had yourself as 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.200 well leading us around. There's some old jerseys there that 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.520 game warn jerseys from back in the day, and for 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.480 someone who actually did all of it to be able 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.800 to tell you, like what it's like, what your story 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.960 was coming through as well. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:22.280 These jerseys they are the old cotton ones. Oh yeah, from. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.720 I'll tell you what. When you put on that jersey, 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.280 you actually feel like you're putting on a Superman cape. 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:27.840 Yeah. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.679 Right, you turn into a superhero, you honestly do. It's 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.920 not just your jersey either, is it. It's a jerzy 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.120 of all of those men that have been before you. 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.840 Black fans think the same thing, and that is that 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.200 power of that black jersey. I mean, the color has 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.320 been with us for one hundred plus years. It is strong, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.760 It is us it's legacy. And we talk about legacy 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.200 a lot in this country, and this is what this 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:51.680 place is about. Legacy. 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.360 And it was a bit of a moment there for you. Man. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.120 You saw a relative on the wall there as we 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.160 walk through, every single all black yes that has gone 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:00.920 has got their name on the wall as you walk 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:01.520 through the corridor. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:01.880 That's right. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.000 Mine's not up there yet, but my Lan's brother is 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.800 Billy Bush, who was I think All Black number seven 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.480 hundred and thirty eight. And as we were walking through 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.320 the hallways, I was just sort of scanning the wall 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:13.600 and then it came up and there's Bloody W. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:14.840 Bush there, Old Billy. 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.440 Check that out. So you are part of the family, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.480 you see. I like to think you becoming all black, 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.640 your family becomings all black. So when I right there 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.480 on the coattails. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.600 Yeah a good description. 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.720 Still time, still time to get my number up there 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.080 may heaven year. So people want to come down here 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:34.680 and check this out. How often are that? Because there's 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.600 guided tours every so often? How often a they? How 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.680 do people get all their tickets? And it for seven 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:40.240 days a week. 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:43.120 The only day we're not opening is Christmas Day, But 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.760 come along ten till five. There's tours on the hour. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.400 We can make them groups of twenty six. But we 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.559 can cater for everything. Everything is doable. Kids, birthdays, birthdays, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.640 which is great, awesome. For corporate events, we do some leadership. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:08:58.920 We had your good mate in here the other day, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.160 Kieren redoing some of them leadership, which is just so powerful. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.679 Here's a guy that has been there, done that and 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.480 got the t ship right. So much man, so amazing 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:10.640 stuff we can do with Permance Lab, which is New 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:15.840 Zeala Rugby, just leadership, seminars, execs, high end, great merchandise. 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.560 So come down and maybe we can get yourself a jersey, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.640 yeah avoided name jersey. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:22.920 You need bush on the backs. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.360 Bush, that's all it is. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.280 So yeah, come along. So since Sky's City, Federal Street, 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.280 you on CBD, come along here at the moment because 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:35.200 I'm just started. I'm such a generous guy. You come 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.440 along this month and next I'm going to give you 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.360 free parking. How about that we give them free parking 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:45.839 in Sky's City. Come along, hang out with us, Come 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.000 to this front count and say, hey, Carmo sent me along. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.240 They're going to look after you. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.280 It's worth coming down here. Just to check out the shot. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.520 The shop itself is awesome. I mean, yeah, it is good. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.559 I'm going to have you PERUSA after its little can 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.240 I can I offer one bit of feedback on the 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.080 tour the changing room from my experience, I think it 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.600 needs a little bit more liniment, yes, or maybe some 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.640 deep heat or you know, just just at. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:10.800 You are old school. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's right. 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.560 And maybe some electrical tape that I could just because 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.120 I one thing I was missing was just winding electric 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:19.560 tape around my head mindlessly and then running out to 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.480 the park. It should be an option for some people 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:25.080 to be able to strap up and just fall rub down. Okay, 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:30.439 I'll take or making a mental shot that down in 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:31.000 it out. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:32.840 All right, Let's take a quick break. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:34.080 When we come back, I want to talk a little 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.160 bit about some of these jerseys and then also your 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:37.199 journey as well comer. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:38.880 So we're going to take quick break. We'll be right back. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.640 So we are down here at the All Blacks Experience 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.000 in the heart of Auckland, CBD. Sitting right in front 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.240 of us with William Wibellos trophy. To our right are 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:50.960 a bunch of jerseys that we had to look at 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.360 when we went down into the changing rooms there. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.720 Some of these are they your game Warn jerseys, two of. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.920 Them are my game Warn jerseys, and one is a 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.520 very very special jersey. He does know I've got it actually, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.760 But at the moment we have these rivalry tours, so 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:08.760 our guides and the South. When I'm down here, we've 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:11.480 got some former players coming along talking about who are 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.000 our greatest rivals. Well, without question, it is a spring Books. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.959 They think, they breathe. They love the game like we 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:19.960 love the game. And the greatest challenge for an All 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.360 Black is the goodest sat ever and play at Alis 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.640 Park and win it Ellis Park, like the greatest challenge 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:27.040 for a Springbok is to come to New Zealand and 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.600 to try and win at Eden Park. So they are 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.840 greatest rivals. But the jersey I have, I'd love people 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.040 to come down at his game worn and please you 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.520 can see a little bit of blood on it, sweet 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.600 on the collar our captain Sean Fitzpatrick. In the nineteen 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.200 ninety six series. We played them five times that year, 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:48.160 two in the Try Nations three in a series, but 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:52.280 that jersey was from Test match number two of the 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.800 series in Pretoria and the moment everyone will know is 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.800 right on full time. Sean Fitzpatrick US, we've defended the 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.960 line for about four or five minutes, these big yolks 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:08.520 just going hammer and tongs. Yep, people will know that 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:09.400 sounds that's. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:10.080 That is iconic. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.920 That's up there with the Lomu my cat. That's up 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.680 there with almost beavers cac. Yes, in terms of those 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.840 iconic kind of moments, and that that thumping of the 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.079 ground and the first time that the All Blacks had 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.920 won a series in South Africa in ninety ninety six. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.400 Yeah, that whole series is set up, as I said, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.160 five games that your first test and crow shots you won. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.120 But the key games building up the series was and 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.760 it was a classic All Black test match in Newland's 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.600 last test of the Try Nations. Everyone remember it for 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.480 the big you know, the gigantic trophy, the one they'd 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.400 made in inches rather than centimeters. Yeah, yeah, you need 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:49.800 if you go on YouTube ninety ninety six Newland's All 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.600 Black game. It is a ridiculously huge Tri Nations trophy. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.400 Please go and have a look at that as an 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:57.480 iconic but a kit. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.079 Yeah, it's huge. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.240 But to set up the series, we knew he had 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.280 to dominate that game, and in particular we knew he 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.800 had to physically dominate the skipper of France, Fois Pinat. 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.959 Absolutely put him to the sword, took him out of 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.800 the match, just cheer physicality. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.680 Was anyone in particular that you had that job, you 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:21.040 know what I mean? It was a couple of players. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:23.280 It was an eight man effort. Just let's take let's 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:25.319 get into Francois because he was their skipper, right, he 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:26.640 was their leader. 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:28.960 Was anyone in particular who you could single out who 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:30.000 just gave him the treatment? 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.200 His eyes lit up, my great mate. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.000 I think he played his best Test match for the 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.760 All Blacks that day was Craigdown. Craig Down was, without 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:42.000 question the private match in that game. He was on fire. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.200 Is a little bit of pressure for bull Ellen for 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.240 the Test. Spot absolutely rose to the occasion to je 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.959 throw and was just awesome on that day. And that 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.440 set up the Durban when we had to win in Durban. 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.360 Absolutely broke it down to the Durban, which is the 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.280 first Test. Because we won Durban, it gave us the 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:00.640 chance to wrap up the series of betore. We did 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.640 not want to go to Ellis Park one all and 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.319 it wouldn't have been good. So one on Durbin gave 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.560 us a chance to win a Victoria. That is where 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:16.760 that jersey is from. And I'm saying, jerseys, this is 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.760 what you can do here at the All Black Experience. 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.720 Come down and personalize your own jersey. There's a Lane seven. 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:24.200 I did play seven. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.480 I thought you were going to be laying eight as 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:28.160 a read eight. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.760 There's a Stewart eight. Stuart three. May shock you to 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:34.560 learn I played on the waning back in the day. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:36.560 But they do look good. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.680 I feel I feel terrible Camo that there they are 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.160 on the same rank as those jerseys, to be honest. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.840 Actually it's actually a bit of Seawan Fitzpatrick's blood on 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:47.040 the color of mine now. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:51.000 And the other jersey I've got them, they just very finished. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.920 The jerseys from my opposition on the day the nineteen 0:14:55.000 --> 0:15:00.480 ninety five Rugby World Cup Final and Astridum was the 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:05.000 guy's name. The jerseys are actually stopped swap. Sorry after 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:09.000 not on the field they celebrated. We went in a 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:12.880 mood to do anything, went up through our respective changing room. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.400 So it's along walk up this tunnel, elis park up 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.800 some stairs up there, changing sheds and then over time, 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.120 as spring Block and all Black rugby teams do, we 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.200 got together for a bit of a yard in the jerseys. 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.520 So with the jerseys, it's a new This might be 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.640 a stupid question, but you get a new jersey each 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.440 game and it's up to you if you want to 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.680 swap it or get rid of it, or you know, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:35.120 or pass it on the. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:36.960 Way that it used to happen back in the day, 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:40.680 because we also had games during during the week. For 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.480 those matches during the week, we had to hand our 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:49.240 jerseys back. Yeah, watched them for the next Tuesday's game. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.800 But for test matches you got to keep your test 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.920 match jersey and kitch focks and shorts and top and 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.760 the news just swapped it every time. And you know, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.600 I think I pretty much swapped it every test match, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.920 played seventy nine test matches, pretty much swapped it every time. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.840 Later on, towards the end of the career, they started 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.120 kind of giving you two jerseys. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.000 Yes I wanted to. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.640 Swap and one to keep. So yeah, and I've got 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:16.840 a stack of jerseys somewhere. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:17.200 Nice. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.160 You talk about your opposition there in South Africa All 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:24.000 Blacks this weekend against South Africa. Who was the biggest 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.360 badass South African player you came across in your career. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.640 Oh, Mane, there's a whole list that these guys are 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.840 into you, right. The thing about ser Africans they want 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.600 to physically dominate you. That's the mindset. They're so confident 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:39.800 that that's all they want to do. So you have 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.880 to match that. Mark Andrews was intense. He was not 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.920 as physically as huge as say the Cobers visas or 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.360 the Barley Schwartz of the world are the Reuben Kruger's, 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.080 but he was intense and came at you and at 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:54.920 you and at you, so you have to keep coming 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:57.800 back and back and back. Lucky for me, I had 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.240 a guy called Robert Brooker could do all of that, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.840 so I physically didn't have to worry about doing that. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.600 But he was a guy or Ruben Kruger. I mentioned 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.520 ninety five Red World Cup blindside flank. He was right 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:18.520 up there, the man. You ha LaRue that that's his ear. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.639 And one has great quote after long afterwards, was I 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:24.560 think I could have bit in his ear right off. 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.080 Well that's what when you I love that Saragon accent 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:29.960 because when you went to walk into the ground. That's 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.119 what I'm saying. Hey, we're going tot's clumb you into 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:32.760 the ground. 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.679 That soarvagant scrump, just getting down and dirty. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:40.760 Yeah, so that's the thing. But the thing, you know, 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.240 we keep saying, sir, Efrikans are strong, Sarafrigans are tough. 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:46.840 But remember, lads, the All Blacks are all of that 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:47.480 as well. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.440 And our record over there, we've won twenty six over there, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.240