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Speaker 1: Now tomorrow you're a landline. Got this one in your

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Speaker 1: diary having a landlord rather landlord. Tomorrow's the deadline to

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Speaker 1: have your rental up to healthy home standards. Landlords have

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Speaker 1: had six years to comply, yet figures from better groups

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Speaker 1: show only twenty three percent past every regulation. Now Andrew

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Speaker 1: Eagles is the CEO of the New Zealand Green Building Council,

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Speaker 1: is with us. Now, Hey, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Cure, great to speak, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe those numbers?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think, I mean there are people that are

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Speaker 2: failing those standards. Different groups have different numbers, but I

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Speaker 2: think it's right to say that not every home is

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Speaker 2: part of.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon? What is the number of homes

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Speaker 1: across the country that would fail?

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's really tough questions. Look, I would say I

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Speaker 2: would say I would like to think it's less than

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Speaker 2: thirty percent. To be honest, there's been six years, been

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Speaker 2: awful lot of assessments and work, and I know that

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Speaker 2: many are pushing to get it done in the final months,

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Speaker 2: which is a real shame because lots of people are

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Speaker 2: booked up. Right, you know, you call an assessor with

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Speaker 2: someone to make the improvements that's even harder thing. And

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Speaker 2: I've speaking to an insulation provider and he said, well,

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Speaker 2: he's been booked up for three months, so they're just

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Speaker 2: they can't get that done. They should have been thinking

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Speaker 2: of this three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Hey, but even at thirty percent, that's one in three

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Speaker 1: houses that would fail, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: That's right? Yep. And some will be more significant than others.

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Speaker 2: So that's a real That means a family that's got

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Speaker 2: drafts or isn't it as healthier warm as there could be,

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Speaker 2: And that's real shame for that family.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard that there are landlords who are flat

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Speaker 1: out telling property management companies that they are not going

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Speaker 1: to comply, they're refusing.

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Speaker 2: I haven't heard that. I mean, there may be some

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Speaker 2: who are like that, but I think, look, there's lots

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Speaker 2: of great landlords out there who want healthy tenants because

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Speaker 2: they're going to be more likely to pay and more

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Speaker 2: likely to stay. But I can't imagine that some bad

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Speaker 2: apples who just can't. I think there's some who never

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Speaker 2: got round to it, a little bit of laziness or

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Speaker 2: lack of planning, and then I can see that some

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Speaker 2: might might be quite like denigrating of their actual duties

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Speaker 2: that I could see that might happen.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the punishment? I was reading the Herald

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Speaker 1: Set and there was an article suggesting that the punishment

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Speaker 1: that would like the worst case for a landlord who

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Speaker 1: didn't actually manage to get around to doing all of this,

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Speaker 1: would be about seven two hundred dollars. And that would

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Speaker 1: be if there are recidivus. The first punishment is more

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Speaker 1: likely to be twenty four hundred.

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Speaker 2: You aware of that, Yes, yeah, I'm aware of that.

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Speaker 2: That's the standard finds. I mean pretty well, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean there have been fines of significantly more than

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Speaker 2: that for really bad incidences where the place is in

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Speaker 2: a really bad state. I think that the money going

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Speaker 2: to those tenants is good. You know, that's the person.

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Speaker 2: But the point I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to get to, Andrew, is, if you are a

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Speaker 1: landlord and you need to insulate top and bottom, you

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Speaker 1: need to draft stop, you need to put a heat pumpin,

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Speaker 1: you need to put a fan in both bathrooms, you

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Speaker 1: need to put a fan in the kitchen. Like your

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Speaker 1: costs are adding upright, we are now in the tens

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Speaker 1: of that, like significantly tens of thousands of dollars. Would

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Speaker 1: you not be rational to just take your chances and

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Speaker 1: pay a two thousand dollars fine.

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Speaker 2: Most most aren't doing that. I can see the logic

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Speaker 2: of where you're going. I think for many there will

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Speaker 2: be a couple of items where they're failing at and

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Speaker 2: in that instance it's better to get the work done.

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Speaker 2: Have a happier tenant, he's more likely to pay, but.

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Speaker 1: Be way poorer.

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Speaker 2: Way.

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Speaker 1: The point I'm trying to do, to the point I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to get to Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Is you'll be find again here the right ye.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, and then over time it'll become seven

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Speaker 1: thousand four the yeah. But you could also, given the

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Speaker 1: sheer numbers, you could also just take a chance getting

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Speaker 1: lost in the numbers, right, because there's no way there's

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Speaker 1: enough compliance officers to deal with all of this. So tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: when we get there, is there not a chance that

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Speaker 1: the story tomorrow, which is like, let's say your numbers,

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Speaker 1: thirty percent of houses aren't complying, is actually the same

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Speaker 1: story in about five or ten years, thirty percent of

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Speaker 1: houses aren't complying because a lot of them just simply won't.

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Speaker 2: I do think we need more compliance. We need more

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Speaker 2: compliance managers, and we need more headline stories of people

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Speaker 2: being fined. I have seen fines up to over twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars for really bad states. I think, look it

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Speaker 2: would and we need reskpe finding right if you get fined,

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Speaker 2: I mean my suggestion would be you checked again. Within

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Speaker 2: three to six months, you're going to find again. You've

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Speaker 2: got time to get that right. Look, it's better for

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Speaker 2: your tenants. The more likely to pay rent and they're

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Speaker 2: in a healthier, warm place, they're more likely to stay. Yeah. Health,

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Speaker 2: what's your bigger cost, it's not having a tenant for

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Speaker 2: three to six months. You don't want to lack that

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Speaker 2: rental income. If there's a lot that's seventy percent of

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Speaker 2: homes out there do have the standard. People are getting

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Speaker 2: more and more savvy about what they need to do

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Speaker 2: to go to tenancy tribunal. There's more cases at the

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Speaker 2: Tennessee tribunal. So your choice is do I put a

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Speaker 2: fan in like book as an electrician, pay a few

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars get the fan in, or do I face

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Speaker 2: this freely tribunal and then not have a tenant for

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Speaker 2: three or four months and have another check come and

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Speaker 2: check up on me in three months. Don't I know

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Speaker 2: which I do?

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Speaker 1: Andrew, thanks very much, appreciate your time as Andrew Eagle,

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Speaker 1: CEO of New Zealand Green Building Council.

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