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Speaker 1: Half of us were the target half of us the

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Speaker 1: target of online scams and frauds last year. That's according

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Speaker 1: to a new survey from the National Cybersecurity Center. It

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Speaker 1: found the cost of the country total one point six

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Speaker 1: billion in twenty twenty four. Mike Yagish the National Cybersecurity

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Speaker 1: Center with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Mike, good morning, Hey, good morning, Ryan, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good to have you on. So who's doing this targeting?

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Speaker 2: Well, this targeting will be a range of cyber criminals.

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Speaker 2: And what we know is, you know why we might

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Speaker 2: think that we might not be targeted, and these cybercriminals

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Speaker 2: would go after anyone who has information or money, and

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Speaker 2: so that really means that any of us could be

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Speaker 2: subject to these sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred and thirty thousand of US fell for scams

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Speaker 1: or were tricked by scams. The financial loss average was

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred and sixty dollars. What was what's the most

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Speaker 1: anyone's in that year? What's the most of someone or

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Speaker 1: a company lost?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Sure, it's a huge drains. You know, it goes

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Speaker 2: from tens of dollars up to hundreds of thousands and

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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands. I think though What's important to remember

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Speaker 2: is that it's a financial loss here, but there's also

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Speaker 2: the loss of time, the loss of information, and the

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Speaker 2: emotional well being told. So although the money differs, and

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Speaker 2: you know, money means different things to different people, so

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Speaker 2: these can have huge impacts on the daily lives of us.

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Speaker 1: Have you managed to track any of the money, find

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Speaker 1: out who's actually doing it where the money has gone.

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Speaker 2: No, there's not really been our focus through this report. Really,

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Speaker 2: what we're trying to do is kind of break down

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Speaker 2: this barrier where I think in Yealand feel this won't

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Speaker 2: happen to us, but our research who happens to over

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Speaker 2: half of us, So we therefore all need to take

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Speaker 2: some practical steps to improve our security.

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Speaker 1: Have you are you aware of any threats coming from

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Speaker 1: any of these scams coming from North Korea to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: In this research, we have asked people about the threats

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Speaker 2: that they've faced, and we haven't helped them through detail

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Speaker 2: into each of the reports through the research.

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Speaker 1: Do you know generally outside of this research, are we

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Speaker 1: getting hacked and attacked by North Korea?

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Speaker 2: When we do our and your reports, we say that

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Speaker 2: there are a ranger three actors out there summer.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we name Why don't we name them? Because

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Speaker 1: Google came out this year with a release and said

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Speaker 1: North Korea is attacking New Zealand and Australia.

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Speaker 2: In some cases we do name states. I guess what

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Speaker 2: what is important for us is that often as a

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Speaker 2: if you're defending yourself or you're defending your organization, understanding

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Speaker 2: who did it isn't always the most important thing. Understanding

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Speaker 2: the techniques or the type of things that people are

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Speaker 2: doing is more important because that's how that helped you

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Speaker 2: inform your defense.

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Speaker 1: We call them out, though, are you aware of any

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Speaker 1: from north career?

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Speaker 2: And where is important for us to call it out?

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Speaker 2: We do so so. For example, last year we publicly

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Speaker 2: attributed an attack against our parliamentary services to the People's

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Speaker 2: Republic of China, and we do that when we believe

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Speaker 2: it's in the best interests for the country, But in

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Speaker 2: other times it's not necessarily required to inform the defenses

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Speaker 2: that people need to take.

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Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate your time this morning, Mike, take

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Speaker 1: care of Mike Yagasy, National Cybersecurity Center, Director of Mission Enablement.

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