1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Boeing have have pleaded, I should say, guilty to criminal 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: fraud after the company violated a deal that was meant 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: to reform it following two fatal seven three seven Max 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: crashes that killed three hundred and forty six passengers in 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen. You'll remember those. The company 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: will have to pay nearly four hundred million New Zealand dollars. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: The families of the victims have criticized the decision, calling 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: it a sweetheart deal that would allow Boeing to avoid 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: responsibility for the deaths. Mark Lindquist is the lawyer for 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: some of those families. Fo one hundred and forty six 11 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: people died in those two crashes. Therefore, a pleader manslaughter 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: would be more fitted. Joining me this morning is the 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: aviation commentator Irene king Iron. Good morning. What is your 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: reaction to this? 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Look, it's a very substantial Oh fine, I think it's 16 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: right the actual maximum. But really, you know, you can 17 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: find these companies. But at the end of the day, 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: what we're more interested in is does it promote or 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: does it improve the performance in aviation safety of the company, 20 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 2: And I don't think it goes anywhere near. 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: That Well, it clearly doesn't, does it, because this follows 22 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one judgment, which where they agreed to 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: again in lieu of going to court, pay a fine, 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: pay a penalty, and then they were supposed to have this, 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: you know, monitoring for three years. They've now breached that 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: monitoring and here we are with another fine. I mean, 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: why aren't they going after these guys in court? 28 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the problems is the monitoring 29 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: is the failure, and the monitoring is by the FAA 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: is not actually bowing Now. I'm not excusing Boeing because 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: I think, you know, there are some big performance issues 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: in Boweling, but you know, can the federal administration eshuygoers 33 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: for itself because the are the ones that failed with 34 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: the monitoring, And the answer very clearly is no. So 35 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: the fine process in the United States is very significantly 36 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: different from here. Now, if we put it into the 37 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: New Zealand context, the management of this company would be 38 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: in jail now, there's no question about that under our 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:39,679 Speaker 2: health and safety legislation. But you know, the FAA and 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: the federal system is very different, and this is about 41 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: a failure of a federal system. And so you know, 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: it's a bit pointless, really. 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: I do we not inherit the safety features of aircraft 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: that are developed in the United States? You know, should 45 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: we be worried about right? 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: You know? Absolutely? And the question should we be worried 47 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: about the performance of Boeing? I think, Look, there's there's 48 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 2: some big question marks, but it comes back to the 49 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: leadership and who they put in there as the chief 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: executive and how they lead and how they think about safety. Now, 51 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: as I say in New Zealand, here, if this company 52 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: was located here, on the one hand, we have accs, 53 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 2: so you can't flee them. But on the other hand, 54 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: we have health and safety and these people would be 55 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: subject to an enormous fine and they would end up 56 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: in jail. There is no question about that. 57 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: Irene King, thank you very much every time this morning 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: aviation commentator Irene King's saying that Boeing were they to 59 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: be practicing here in the way that they were in 60 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: the United States. For more from News Talks' b listen 61 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: live on air or online and keep our shows with 62 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: you wherever you go with our podcasts on Iron Radio.