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Speaker 1: Let's go to principles. A new survey shows only eighteen

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Speaker 1: percent of teachers actually dream of becoming a school principal.

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Speaker 1: More than half of primary school teachers say they have

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Speaker 1: no interest at all. Jason Miles, as president of the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Principles Federation, joins us this morning. Hey, Jason, run,

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Speaker 1: is this surprising? I mean, not everyone you know on

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Speaker 1: the shop floor wants to be the boss.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, principal ship's a challenging role, but it's

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Speaker 2: also rewarding role. I think teachers are very busy doing

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Speaker 2: their own job and sometimes they don't look at the

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Speaker 2: potential and the opportunities in front of them.

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Speaker 1: What do you think They're completely different skill sets, aren't they?

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Speaker 1: One as a management job, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you have to be a quality teacher first, run.

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Speaker 2: To become a principal, you have to be a registered teacher,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, you need to have that experience to lead

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Speaker 2: teaching and learning in a school. But once you get

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Speaker 2: into that role, you understand the role is all about relationships.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you've got a lot of other varied

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Speaker 2: roles such as employment and finance, health and safety, property

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Speaker 2: crisis management. So yeah, a lot of the roles about relationships.

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Speaker 1: What's the pay difference, Like if you're a senior teacher,

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Speaker 1: been there a long time, you know, top of your

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Speaker 1: game kind of thing versus a principle.

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Speaker 2: That varies. It depends on the size of the school

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Speaker 2: that you're a principal and the role, the middle leadership

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Speaker 2: or senior leadership role that you've had. But it's there

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Speaker 2: isn't a huge discrepancy when you look at smaller schools.

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Speaker 2: As you get into larger schools there is a larger discrepancy.

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Speaker 1: Is that the problem because why would you have all

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Speaker 1: the responsibility and not much more pay.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess we don't always get into a role

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Speaker 2: because of the pay, but it is certainly valued and earned.

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Speaker 2: But our teachers sometimes don't back themselves. So we need

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Speaker 2: to have our experienced principles identifying those teachers who will

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Speaker 2: be great principles because you know, that's the future of

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Speaker 2: our profession. So our experienced principles have a role to play.

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Speaker 2: The government also has a role to play, and we're

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Speaker 2: very pleased to have worked with the government to get

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Speaker 2: two hundred aspiring principles places for professional development this year.

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Speaker 2: It was well over subscribed, but there is something that

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Speaker 2: we haven't had an education for a number of years.

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Speaker 1: Jason, appreciate your time this morning. Thank you as always,

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Speaker 1: Jason Marles Kaipo North School Principal and President of the

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