Speaker 1: Live from the Export Bear Garden Studios. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the BYC and I can tell you where stoke to
Speaker 1: be back as we look forward to the summer of
Speaker 1: cricket ahead. A shame then, that we should kick it
Speaker 1: off with an absolute debarcle that was the Afghanistan Test.
Speaker 1: And while we can admire the innovation shown to dry
Speaker 1: out what amounted to a swamp, it was a disappointment
Speaker 1: that an historic occasion was ruined in such a fashion.
Speaker 1: But fear not, there's plenty to come, including Thisra Lankans,
Speaker 1: though it seems mother Nature may have something to say
Speaker 1: there as well. And fell as it's been an age
Speaker 1: Dyllan Cleaver.
Speaker 2: It's been so long that this entire studio has changed.
Speaker 2: It has beneath our feet, has very clean lines now
Speaker 2: very Swedish, Scandinavian, very yeah, corporate.
Speaker 1: Yes, I feel quite uncomfortable in it.
Speaker 2: I know you keep looking over my shoulder here. I
Speaker 2: keep thinking I'm missing something.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just trying to remember what the name
Speaker 1: of the studio was. Paul Ford your barst how's life?
Speaker 3: It's good, Jason, it's good. Spring is nearly sprung at
Speaker 3: Wellington and it's probably about three months away, I think,
Speaker 3: and then we'll be ready for cricket season down here.
Speaker 3: But good news, we're ripping into it over in Gaul
Speaker 3: very soon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just on spring. Actually, interesting fact about spring. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this, Dylan, that spring doesn't officially
Speaker 1: start till the twenty third of September. I always thought
Speaker 1: it started at the very beginning of September, but it's
Speaker 1: actually the twenty third.
Speaker 2: No, it's on the equinox, which is either the twenty
Speaker 2: second or the twenty third or the twenty first, depending
Speaker 2: on when the right. Okay, the Earth is exactly halfway distant,
Speaker 2: and it's access to the sun. But do you know
Speaker 2: there's a.
Speaker 1: Well this is fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a very cunning way of getting yourself twenty
Speaker 2: one extra days of summer. So you adhere to the
Speaker 2: strict calendar interpretation of the seasons. So spring starts on
Speaker 2: September first, summer starts on December the first, but then
Speaker 2: you switch to the actual technical scientific equinox things, and
Speaker 2: you don't go into autumn until March twenty second.
Speaker 1: Give you two days this summer fascinating.
Speaker 3: Can you just go through it again?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: This is what people tune in for totally.
Speaker 3: Astronomy season season chat.
Speaker 1: Now New Zealanders is Shri Lanka that starts today, right, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the weather forecast, as you briefly mentioned there, Paul
Speaker 1: Forward not looking great. For God say, let's not have
Speaker 1: more Shenanigans.
Speaker 3: No, that's right, but you know, there's always a result
Speaker 3: at Gaul, so we shouldn't be too despondent about that.
Speaker 3: And there is a slightly bizarre situation with this test
Speaker 3: match given the scheduling. First of all in monsoon season,
Speaker 3: albeit at the sort of bitter end of it. But
Speaker 3: it's a six day test. We've got a rest day
Speaker 3: plank on Saturday because it is the Sri Lankan presidential elections,
Speaker 3: so there's extra day so everyone can bigger off and
Speaker 3: vote than the New Zealand boys can get absolutely steamed
Speaker 3: on Friday night, so they to themselves perfect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've got a lotit. I'm massively looking forward
Speaker 1: to it, and it begs the question, and now that
Speaker 1: the BYC is back, of course, where are we at
Speaker 1: New Zealand. You know, I was thinking about the end
Speaker 1: of last season and it was not a great end
Speaker 1: to the sea. It wasn't a great season all round.
Speaker 1: We talked often about changes and you know what needs
Speaker 1: to happen, because it felt like we were sliding a
Speaker 1: little bit. Where are you with the New Zealand side
Speaker 1: at the moment, Dylan.
Speaker 2: It felt like a kind of dribbly old season.
Speaker 1: Yes, it did.
Speaker 2: Never really amounted too much. Well, I can tell you
Speaker 2: where we're officially at, if that helps. Sure, we're officially
Speaker 2: third on the WTC table, which is the world tiest
Speaker 2: championship obviously, but it is a misleading third.
Speaker 1: I'm staggered by that.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we're at fifty percent, where New Zealand does
Speaker 2: really well. And this is something to really be proud of,
Speaker 2: Like your chest fills up with this amazing feeling, groundswell
Speaker 2: of goodwill and good feeling. We're very good at not
Speaker 2: getting any points deductions for slow overrates. That's the strongest
Speaker 2: part of our game at the moment. So where you've
Speaker 2: got a team like England that has played sixteen tests
Speaker 2: one eight of them, they've actually got a better than
Speaker 2: fifty percent record, they have a massive nineteen point deduction
Speaker 2: for overrates, so well behind US. Australia has big deductions
Speaker 2: for overrates but they're still well ahead of us. Really,
Speaker 2: we have to win in Sri Lanka to give ourselves
Speaker 2: any chance of qualifying for that final, and we've got
Speaker 2: two tests at a venue. Gul Paul may correct me
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong on this, that we have had no
Speaker 2: success at or very little success at Gaul over the
Speaker 2: years of I think we do all right in Colombo,
Speaker 2: but not so well at the fortified city of Gaul.
Speaker 3: I think that is exactly right when you are talking
Speaker 3: about the world example of a Ford city bought. But
Speaker 3: as you would know, of course, Jase by the Portuguese
Speaker 3: the World Heritage site. Yeah, look, it's going to be tough.
Speaker 3: I think you know, Sri Lanka at Homer are bloody tough.
Speaker 3: And that goal there, I think we're zero and four
Speaker 3: something like that. And yeah, Dylan, as you say, in
Speaker 3: terms of that World Test Championship cycle, we've only played
Speaker 3: six of the fourteen matches that were set to play
Speaker 3: and we've got a really, really tough set. We would
Speaker 3: have would have had a nice warm up about against
Speaker 3: Afghanistan that we can talk about in a minute. Sri
Speaker 3: Lanka are really the entre before a very very chewy
Speaker 3: main course over in India and so really we need
Speaker 3: to probably win you know, five of the next eight
Speaker 3: tests really really difficult given tour in Sri Lanka and
Speaker 3: then three in India. Jase, you were talking about the
Speaker 3: fact that it's been a long time between drinks. It's
Speaker 3: about it's one hundred and ninety one days since we
Speaker 3: played Test cricket.
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to bring you down, can I remind
Speaker 3: you of what happened the last delivery that New Zealand
Speaker 3: played Test cricket. See us to Cummins four runs, the
Speaker 3: Captain's done. It opens the face to elect all punches
Speaker 3: it through point lets out of raw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still spewing about that particular Test match. You're
Speaker 1: right then, and we should have won it, you know,
Speaker 1: And it isn't concern to me, and I don't know
Speaker 1: how you fellas feel about it. We're coming in cold.
Speaker 1: You know. Sri Lanka's obviously had this series against England,
Speaker 1: a great final Test match victory. That all does not
Speaker 1: go well for us in that regard playing in their
Speaker 1: conditions as well. It would be fair to say then
Speaker 1: I think we are significant underdogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. If I can just bring
Speaker 2: the mood down even a little bit more. I guess
Speaker 2: we'll talk about the probable eleven soon, but these four
Speaker 2: players will definitely play it, and that is Conway, Lathan,
Speaker 2: Mitchell and Blundell. That is kind of the four of
Speaker 2: our top six that Conway's averaging seventeen point seven in
Speaker 2: his last Test innings, Latham's averaging twenty four point seven,
Speaker 2: that's not great as an opening peer. Blundell, who was
Speaker 2: just such a reliable keeper batsman, is just having a
Speaker 2: terrible run of it, averaging ten point three to three
Speaker 2: in his last Test ten Test innings. And the one
Speaker 2: that might have gone under the radar a little bit
Speaker 2: is New Zealand's number one ranked cricketer and justifiably so,
Speaker 2: but he's just come down to earth a little bit recently,
Speaker 2: and that's old Dasid. Mitchell was yes, only averaging thirty
Speaker 2: two point four, which is not awful, but it's not
Speaker 2: the sort of stratospheric heights that were being used to him.
Speaker 2: So really we're only going in with Cain Williamson and
Speaker 2: Retch and Revendra have got any kind of recent red
Speaker 2: ball form behind them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'll tell you what, Kay Williamson doesn't have,
Speaker 3: and that's red ball form in Sri Lanka. Against Sri
Speaker 3: Lanka he averages twenty six. Versus Sri Lanka in New
Speaker 3: Zealand he averages one hundred and fourteen. So it looks
Speaker 3: good on paper, you know, averaging seventy eight overall. But
Speaker 3: his record in Srilanka is shiphouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, fel let's have a bit of faith.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is miserable, this is terrible. I'so remember the
Speaker 2: one hundred that came Williamson got, which was a brilliant
Speaker 2: one hundred with Ross Taylor, Russ Taylor's arts tested captain
Speaker 2: in a test New Zealand one entry link.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also you want to check into the next too,
Speaker 1: just to bring us down again. You know, we're notoriously
Speaker 1: bad against spin in the past, so it's going to
Speaker 1: be a challenge. But let's look at the likely eleven,
Speaker 1: shall we. And I also believe, you know, players such
Speaker 1: as Conway, he's got the ability to turn things around,
Speaker 1: he's got the experience and we know he's a quality player. Pedigree, pedigree,
Speaker 1: thank you, certainties for this eleven Conway, Lathan Williamson, Ravendra, Mitchell, Blundell,
Speaker 1: Salviy Yep.
Speaker 2: He will definitely play the first, yes, Skipper. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Tim he might not play all six coming up, but
Speaker 2: he will definitely play this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Because there was a bit of chat about
Speaker 1: Tim Salvey at the end of that last season. Really
Speaker 1: is you know, he's coming towards the end of his
Speaker 1: career and I think he played a bit of county cricket,
Speaker 1: hasn't he.
Speaker 2: Played the hundred? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he said he's feeling really good. He acknowledged
Speaker 1: actually that he wasn't playing that great at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, and you know, he's the sort of
Speaker 1: player that knows this game pretty well, so hopefully he
Speaker 1: can turn it around.
Speaker 2: Good record in Asia too.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, your thoughts on this? There are certainties to you, Paul.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that's right. I mean
Speaker 3: I'd probably put Phillipson as a certainty as well, and
Speaker 3: I think a JS Patel as well as an absolute
Speaker 3: certainy to play. But yeah, really it really comes down
Speaker 3: for me to you know, who's the extra pace bowler
Speaker 3: in which spinnar you want to go with?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the possibilities there, of course, Glenn Phillips, Sant Bracewall,
Speaker 1: Mad Henry willow Rat, Michael Sears and a JS battalion.
Speaker 1: It's one of those scenarios just looking at it on
Speaker 1: the bowling front, because you're in Sri Lanka. Do you
Speaker 1: just chuck in and just stack it with spinners? And
Speaker 1: is that the way to go about it or is
Speaker 1: that a I think so? Yeah, I guess you do.
Speaker 1: Really don't two seamers. I think Sow there will be one.
Speaker 1: You're choosing between Raw, Henry and.
Speaker 2: Sears. I think probably for the first yest they go
Speaker 2: with the experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've got to go Henry, I think.
Speaker 3: But man of the Series against Australia, so you know,
Speaker 3: good form six and a half months ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I definitely think you do have to do
Speaker 1: that though having said that, jeez, I was tremendously excited
Speaker 1: by willow Raw before he got injured. I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's got something about him. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: in this scenario you go experience, you get Henry in there,
Speaker 1: and you're just chuck in as many spinners as you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, throwing spinners against the wall really and seeing which
Speaker 2: one stick. So I'm pleased that pulses. He think that
Speaker 2: Agaz is a definite. I would love to see him
Speaker 2: in there. I just know they just do funny things
Speaker 2: with spinners. They tend to pick the guy they think
Speaker 2: we'll get them more runs rather than the guy that
Speaker 2: get your wickets, get them wickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The other thing on that is that you know,
Speaker 3: with Ranganahirath obviously in there as the spin bowling coach,
Speaker 3: you would expect that they're drilling in some some left
Speaker 3: arm spin there. So you know, stating there is probably
Speaker 3: the great beneficiary of that. You would assume that there
Speaker 3: that's a bit of a project that's been happening behind
Speaker 3: the scenes as well.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: My information when they went to do their rankings for
Speaker 2: this latest Central Contract list, my understanding is that they
Speaker 2: rated virtual Santner as the number one red Bull spinner
Speaker 2: in the country. So there you have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I but in Gaul, Yeah, I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't have a massive issue with that because I
Speaker 1: think Santaer did bowl well last last season, apart from
Speaker 1: against the Australians in that T twenty series where I
Speaker 1: thought he bowled like he was shipping his pants quite frankly,
Speaker 1: and it annoyed the crap out of me. And he's
Speaker 1: and you know, and in terms of you know, adding
Speaker 1: the runs to that requirement, you know, he's he's never
Speaker 1: done that enough. Yeah, he's a handy batsman. But yeah,
Speaker 1: who do who do we ultimately think they're going to
Speaker 1: go with from the bowling stocks.
Speaker 2: I think he's right. I think Phillips will get that
Speaker 2: screen all around her ahead of Michael Bracewell. I think
Speaker 2: he's probably a better uption with both bat and ball
Speaker 2: and in the field, so I think he's got the
Speaker 2: edge of the year, Henry. I think you're right. I
Speaker 2: think they'll go with him. I've got a funny feeling
Speaker 2: they will go Santa, I really do. Yeah, room one
Speaker 2: will spin. I've lost track.
Speaker 3: No, I think we're all right because you ended up
Speaker 3: with Latham, Conway, Williamson, Ravendra, Mitchell, Blundell, Phillips, and then Santna,
Speaker 3: Henry South and ajs Okay and so Bracewill misses out
Speaker 3: and well Young of course miss out. I think krick
Speaker 3: Info had that Henry Nichols was going to be bearing
Speaker 3: down on some statistical milestones and this selected. But he's
Speaker 3: actually not in the squad. So I'm going to be
Speaker 3: betting that that's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm pretty comfortable with that side. I
Speaker 1: think that's relatively solid. And let's not forget in terms
Speaker 1: of Phillips too, as a bit of a rando that
Speaker 1: performance in the second Test against Australia. Didn't he get
Speaker 1: a five.
Speaker 2: For first Test of the basin I was at.
Speaker 1: The first Test? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he gives it
Speaker 1: a bit of a rip he does, so, you know,
Speaker 1: and as we know, he's buddy great in the field
Speaker 1: and he's more than handy and as we previously mentioned too,
Speaker 1: by the way, Dylan a great Sri Lanka coming off
Speaker 1: a great victory against the English.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was an amazing Test. It was much a
Speaker 2: bit of it on ICC TV actually, and yeah, hell
Speaker 2: of a surprise. I mean everything about that series looks
Speaker 2: like it was just going to be in England Waltz
Speaker 2: the victory. But there's some good players in that Sri
Speaker 2: Lanka team and they've got the guy who did didn't
Speaker 2: feature really over there about the guy pro Bath js Arara,
Speaker 2: I think the left arm spinner has got a phenomenal
Speaker 2: just like a Bonker's record a bowling in Sri Lanka,
Speaker 2: and they've got this t twenty convert that they've turned
Speaker 2: into a test better whose name has scapes me now.
Speaker 2: But it's Camindu Mendus, is it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Pascual, which is a great name, Pasqual.
Speaker 2: So he's just burst onto the scene and is scoring
Speaker 2: runs for fun. So it is not going to be easy.
Speaker 2: Can I just sorry? Can I just mention one thing
Speaker 2: about our spinners and our development?
Speaker 1: Sure, I just got this.
Speaker 2: It's this weird thing that we seem to be better
Speaker 2: at developing bits and pieces battery Bowldery type of spinners,
Speaker 2: your brace Wolves, your Phillips, your s then we are
Speaker 2: of actually developing our specialist spinners like our issues and
Speaker 2: our Eddie air Sharks, and I think you can go
Speaker 2: back to Nethula and those sort of guys. I think
Speaker 2: there's something a little bit broken in our system that
Speaker 2: we are valuing these kind of all roundery converts. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean Phillips was a wicket keeper. Michael Bracewell was
Speaker 2: a wicket keeper, and Center's obviously talent. He could do anything.
Speaker 2: You could go to the Olympics for badminton, He's that talented.
Speaker 2: But I think our development has missed a trick with
Speaker 2: some of our specialist spinners, great stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it's an interesting point. I guess
Speaker 3: it's just those New Zealand conditions again. You know, when
Speaker 3: do you get to bowl? If you're a specialist spinner
Speaker 3: that can't bat, you're just you're never going to be
Speaker 3: doing anything in a game. So you probably get melded
Speaker 3: into the into these the into that type of player
Speaker 3: through the conditions that we have in domestic cricket. Just
Speaker 3: going back to Pisul, come into Mendos just to make
Speaker 3: you love him a little bit more. Dylan as well,
Speaker 3: well he bowls left orthodox and right offspin. That's not
Speaker 3: a bad combination when you're a batting all rounder. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are some bloody good players in the in the
Speaker 3: Sri Lankan team, as you say, for bath jas Area
Speaker 3: fifty three wickets in twelve innings at Gaul. That's scary.
Speaker 3: But weirdly they're a little bit like New Zealand. They've
Speaker 3: actually got a bunch of really good seamers at the moment.
Speaker 3: They've got a Setha Fernando, they've got Laharu Kumara, they've
Speaker 3: got Vishua Fernando, they've got Milan Rath Nayaka, they've got
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys and they've got to do
Speaker 3: the same as New Zealand. They've got to gall and gone,
Speaker 3: oh geez, We've just had a pretty decent finish to
Speaker 3: a tour in England and there's a couple of guys
Speaker 3: that are just not going to be selected because the
Speaker 3: conditions just don't suit them in Sri Lanka. So yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: The other guy to keep an eye out is keep
Speaker 3: an eye on is of course the wicket keeper. Kusal
Speaker 3: Mendus will be blazing away probably at number seven, and
Speaker 3: a couple of the opening batter is of course very
Speaker 3: familiar with Frank Dimoth, Karuna Ratna and Pethandsunka, the guy
Speaker 3: who added magnificently in that third Test match. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they're going to be They have got a lot of
Speaker 3: guys that bowl a lot of spin and bat very
Speaker 3: similar to us. And let's not forget Angela. Matthews has
Speaker 3: a spectacular record against Zealand. I think he everage is
Speaker 3: better than fifty, very very good record against.
Speaker 1: That formidable Well, let's laid on the table then fellas
Speaker 1: the scores. Please, how do you see this turning out?
Speaker 2: I think we're going to cling on for a drawing
Speaker 2: this first, Yes, where they're assisted Ford.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon. I think it'll be a result. I
Speaker 3: think we'll win one and lose one. I reckon it's
Speaker 3: going to be one. All yeah, I'm not sure which
Speaker 3: way around?
Speaker 1: Okay to zip to Sri Lanka?
Speaker 3: All right, geez, well about the length of the days.
Speaker 1: I'm not mucking around here, fellows. Um, all right, well
Speaker 1: tell you what we're going to do. We'll take a
Speaker 1: short break and then we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: the debacle that was the Afghanistan Test. Yes, welcome back
Speaker 1: to the b YC. Well, the cricket seasons actually started
Speaker 1: Dylan Clever against the Afghanistan's side, and what an absolute
Speaker 1: bloody shambles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not much happened in great annoyed way. Actually plenty
Speaker 2: happened in great annoyed Yes, nothing in terms of actual cricket.
Speaker 2: At times it was unintentionally hilarious, it was very funny.
Speaker 2: But then theadre for me for conditions was in terms
Speaker 2: of hosting will always be them running kiddy letter onto
Speaker 2: university overall in Dunedin to try and drive that ground out.
Speaker 2: But this will take some betting. The site of fans
Speaker 2: been held, your table fans, table fans been held horizontally.
Speaker 3: Then well one of them was not being held. It
Speaker 3: was literally just plugged and plugged into an extension cord
Speaker 3: out from the dressing room, plugged into a four plug
Speaker 3: and then the fans are literally laying directly on the grass.
Speaker 3: It's just unbelieve evable.
Speaker 2: It didn't work. I loved it when they just cut
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of turf out of out of a net. Yes,
Speaker 2: and for the mine and tried to stitch it together
Speaker 2: in less than ideal conditions on the field.
Speaker 3: It was. It was the good news. It was free
Speaker 3: to go and watch that game. So there were three
Speaker 3: thousand people in the stands on the first day, three thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I would have been quite entertaining to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because it was such It
Speaker 1: was such a debarkle, you know. And you're right about
Speaker 1: them cutting out, you know, if the game did go ahead,
Speaker 1: one of the players on the outfield could have been
Speaker 1: running and then disappearing into a hole somewhere. But it
Speaker 1: is my understanding though there's never been a test match
Speaker 1: played on that ground, has there No?
Speaker 2: So, and it probably never should be.
Speaker 1: It never should have been.
Speaker 2: So there was a worry beforehand. There was a talk
Speaker 2: of unseasonable monsoon like conditions.
Speaker 3: It rained for twenty three to twenty three.
Speaker 2: Days solid, right, it did. But I also read somewhere
Speaker 2: it might have even been on crick Info the Bible.
Speaker 2: I read a preview where the writer expressed serious doubt
Speaker 2: whether there'd be a bull bowled in that test. So like,
Speaker 2: this was a couple of days before the game, that's
Speaker 2: how poor the ground was. And you just shouldn't be
Speaker 2: playing test cricket on those sort of grounds. No, they
Speaker 2: can't handle rain. I mean, in this day and age,
Speaker 2: you should literally be able to have a ground flooded, drained,
Speaker 2: dried within a couple of hours and ready for cricket.
Speaker 1: Well you remember the debacle down in New Zealand. What's
Speaker 1: that ground there? McLean park, same thing and no drainage,
Speaker 1: get a bit of rain. It's like, oh, sorry, fellas,
Speaker 1: it's off, We're going to have to call it. But
Speaker 1: it was a shame on many levels Paul Forward. And
Speaker 1: also you know the New Zealanders would have been very
Speaker 1: keen to get some sort of head out before Sri
Speaker 1: Lanka and that never happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it is an interesting one and I know
Speaker 3: that Dylan has talked about this a bit in the Bounce,
Speaker 3: But you know, there's the fact of the factors New
Speaker 3: Zealand would have loved to have played just at a
Speaker 3: purely practical cricketing level, yes, but I do think that
Speaker 3: the horrendous satirical conditions, comedic conditions that are greater noida,
Speaker 3: have saved them from a bit of quite a lot
Speaker 3: of controversy which didn't kind of emerge because the game
Speaker 3: didn't really get underway. And that is whether New Zealand
Speaker 3: should have been playing Afghanistan in the first place at
Speaker 3: all from a I guess a political standpoint, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's a deep and meaningful issue. Probably you know, we
Speaker 3: don't need to get into it a nauseum, but there
Speaker 3: is a sense of karma around this. You know, this
Speaker 3: match was going to go ahead kind of no matter
Speaker 3: what India doing some favors for Afghanistan. You know, you
Speaker 3: read into that what you're will New Zealander kind of
Speaker 3: minions in this situation, so kind of going along with it.
Speaker 3: It's been deafening the silence from the team around this.
Speaker 3: I think tim so out they say something like, you know,
Speaker 3: we just do what the boards tell us to do
Speaker 3: on the situation. Kind of fair enough in a way,
Speaker 3: But there are players around the world that I suspect
Speaker 3: would not have played this game. You know, I can't
Speaker 3: imagine that Usman Kawaja would be playing this test match,
Speaker 3: for example. So, yeah, it's an interesting one and an
Speaker 3: interesting conundrum, a really difficult situation. And I know that
Speaker 3: there's been comparisons made with South Africa and the Glen
Speaker 3: Eagles Agreement and all that kind of stuff. DC You've
Speaker 3: probably got some interesting insights on this one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only problem with the South Africa comparison, well,
Speaker 2: there's a few problems with it. It's not a particularly
Speaker 2: elegant comparison in some ways. In other ways it's perfect.
Speaker 2: You know, it's apparent regimes, and this is a way
Speaker 2: for the world to stand up against parent regimes is
Speaker 2: to boycott them, to not give them a chance to,
Speaker 2: I guess be part of the normal cycle of the
Speaker 2: world in terms of sport and politics and trade and
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. So, but the problem is that
Speaker 2: in South Africa you had a very a situation where
Speaker 2: every other African nation made it very clear they didn't
Speaker 2: want anyone having anything to do with South Africa. It's
Speaker 2: almost the opposite. Yeah, all the Asian cricket nations want
Speaker 2: the world to embrace Afghanistan cricket. So it's it is
Speaker 2: the same, same, but hellishly different as well.
Speaker 3: And let's not forget the ICC gave Afghanistan seventeen million
Speaker 3: dollars US to promote men's a women's cricket in the country.
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole thing is a shambles. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really tricky one. Yes, we'll leave it there.
Speaker 1: We'll leave it there now. The White Fans Fellas three
Speaker 1: match tea series against Australia starts tomorrow in McKay, a
Speaker 1: town named after John McKay, who invented the spring loaded stapler.
Speaker 1: Is it McKay or McKay mackay. Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: have huge expectations here given how we were last season, Fells.
Speaker 1: Should we just call it now?
Speaker 2: I can tell you some of this is the White
Speaker 2: fan This is going to sound like a real burn,
Speaker 2: but there is a deeper issue at play here. The
Speaker 2: White Fans have played sixteen internationals in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: To date they have played ten to twenty eyes. They
Speaker 2: have won one and lost nine. They have wo six
Speaker 2: oly eyes. They have won one and lost five. Now
Speaker 2: all of them have been against England. They're about to
Speaker 2: go to Australia. I suspect they're going to get a
Speaker 2: handed to them there as well in this three match.
Speaker 2: But then they have to go on to the UAE
Speaker 2: for the Wealthy twenty. They get two warm up matches
Speaker 2: I believe, then they're into it on October against India.
Speaker 2: They in such poor form that really is there's just
Speaker 2: no depth there. I mean, they are playing players and
Speaker 2: it sounds like you're picking on them. But Georgia Plimer,
Speaker 2: Maddie Green is he gaze who just don't score runs
Speaker 2: and yet don't get dropped. They occupy their places almost
Speaker 2: as of right. It's just a really difficult position at
Speaker 2: the moment. I know Sophie Divine has announced that this
Speaker 2: will be her last tournament, has Skip or standing down.
Speaker 2: It feels like they're in a vortex of bad juju
Speaker 2: that they just cannot get out of, and I really
Speaker 2: can't see a way out of them out for them
Speaker 2: anytime soon. That's how negatively I feel about it, which
Speaker 2: is a shame because I mean, I'll watch the World
Speaker 2: T twenty, but I'm just not expecting any great things
Speaker 2: from New Zealand.
Speaker 1: Well on that Paul Ford, should it be coach Tom
Speaker 1: Sawyer's last chance too? I mean, but can you blame
Speaker 1: him with you know, Galan has just been talking about
Speaker 1: the fact that where's the depth? You've shipped me again?
Speaker 1: Haven you what's his name?
Speaker 3: Huckleberry fins mate? You love you love a bit of
Speaker 3: Mark Twain. You're very literary, sons of ches. I'm going
Speaker 3: to have that deleted one. Look, I think it does
Speaker 3: feel like there's bigger things at play than you know,
Speaker 3: changing the coach and she'll be right, you know, he
Speaker 3: can only do what he's He can only do what
Speaker 3: he can with the resources that are available to him.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, the build up for this looks
Speaker 3: pretty decent. You know, they're off to the T twenty
Speaker 3: World Cup in the UAE. It's going to be about
Speaker 3: forty degrees, it's going to be spin friendly and so
Speaker 3: heading up to the upper northern reaches of Australia is
Speaker 3: not the stupidest thing in the world, but a really,
Speaker 3: really tough group they've got India, Australia, Sri Lanka and Pakistan.
Speaker 3: You know, in spinning conditions in thirty nine degree heat.
Speaker 3: One of these teams is not like the other. So
Speaker 3: you know, it's a bloody difficult assignment. As you say,
Speaker 3: all the all the media leading into this one that's
Speaker 3: been focused on Sophie Divine and Susie Bates playing nine
Speaker 3: consecutive World Cups or whatever it is, and good on them,
Speaker 3: But yes, it does feel like we're good at we're
Speaker 3: good at the moment and we're about to fall off
Speaker 3: a cliff, which is a frightening prospect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it can't be all about Susie and Sophie, No, No,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got to eventually be talking about your
Speaker 2: George's and your Rosemaries and your Lareen's and your Brooks
Speaker 2: and that. But you know, it just feels like every
Speaker 2: single hope for this team is tied up in those
Speaker 2: three names and it just doesn't change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty grim, but who knows. They may surprise us,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope so you never do. Hey, more
Speaker 1: contraction and again, since our last broadcast, players who have
Speaker 1: chosen to forego central contracts for twenty twenty four to
Speaker 1: twenty five season, in order of importance, Kane Williamson, Devin Conway,
Speaker 1: Lucky Ferguson, Adam Milne, Finn Allen, James Nisham.
Speaker 2: I thought you're a messive James Neshen Fan, I am,
Speaker 2: You've relegated into the bottom of that list, So.
Speaker 1: I didn't write the list. What's what's the what's the
Speaker 1: thinking behind it?
Speaker 2: Are they just they're hunting themselves open a It's it's money.
Speaker 2: They've got opportunities to play in South Africa or the
Speaker 2: T twenty up and the David White T twenty up
Speaker 2: in the UAE.
Speaker 3: It's yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean we've we talked about this a lot. When
Speaker 2: Cain Williamson made his announcement, his seems fairly innocent that
Speaker 2: it's an opportunity to play one summer in South Africa
Speaker 2: to miss the Super Smash.
Speaker 1: Who are you talking about this?
Speaker 2: Sorry, Kane Williamson. Yes, but then it was kind of interesting,
Speaker 2: so Caanan, Lucky Ferguson and Adam kind of made themselves
Speaker 2: unavadable contracts quite early. Was that second trunch was quite
Speaker 2: interesting really with with Devon Conway and he's been given
Speaker 2: a casual contract. So you either get given a casual
Speaker 2: contract in the blessing of New Zealand cricket or you don't.
Speaker 2: And he got given a casual contract, Fanellen didn't. And
Speaker 2: you could make an argument that has Devon actually done
Speaker 2: enough for New Zealand cricket. I mean, I know he's
Speaker 2: a very fine player and he started off with a
Speaker 2: his and auror in all three formats, but has he
Speaker 2: done enough to warrant a casual contract That kind of
Speaker 2: only came Williamson's get.
Speaker 3: It's murkhy what you have to do to qualify for
Speaker 3: that casual contract too?
Speaker 2: Right? I wonder it's needless?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does he did he want one? And Finellen didn't.
Speaker 3: He wanted more flexibility. You know, I don't know the
Speaker 3: answer to that. Can I add another couple of aims
Speaker 3: on the list for you as well? Tim Seifert is
Speaker 3: on a casual contract with Northern Districts, so is Scott Kogerline.
Speaker 3: So you know, the interesting thing is that it's the
Speaker 3: big guns, the medium sized guns and some of the
Speaker 3: smaller guns are actually all moving to this this new
Speaker 3: new mode of payment which basically just frees them up.
Speaker 3: But I mean if you're going to argue against it,
Speaker 3: where does it end? When When do the rock stars
Speaker 3: come back and build the next generation of cricketers? I
Speaker 3: think is a question that you know, where does this
Speaker 3: send up? I'm not sure, And we're obviously got our
Speaker 3: hands tied behind our back of it here in New
Speaker 3: Zealand because we don't pay players as much as what
Speaker 3: they can get elsewhere. So you know, simple economics will
Speaker 3: win the day on that one. But also structurally, having
Speaker 3: a high paying super smash is just not realistic given
Speaker 3: the level of competition from other competitions around the world,
Speaker 3: and also the fact that we're in a really shitty
Speaker 3: time zone for India as well, so really really tricky situation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it it opened it up for a cricketer.
Speaker 2: I've been very keen on for a couple of seasons now.
Speaker 2: Nathan Smith has waltst into one of those twenty Central contracts,
Speaker 2: which is great. I think he's he's been playing County
Speaker 2: Create yep and doing pretty well. I think so Silver Linings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw I saw on a I can't remember
Speaker 3: who said it, but I saw it somewhere where it
Speaker 3: was a It was a crystal ball gazing piece off
Speaker 3: the back of the contracts. And you know, we've talked
Speaker 3: about cricket made moving to this football type contract where
Speaker 3: you know players play all year, potentially for different teams,
Speaker 3: but effectively tied into the same franchise. And someone made
Speaker 3: the point, you know, the next Kame Williamson could be
Speaker 3: like Steven Adams, you know, effectively found early by an
Speaker 3: Indian scout and then never plays for New Zealand because
Speaker 3: has always got bigger fish to overseas. And that gosh,
Speaker 3: that landed heavy for me. I was like, that's a
Speaker 3: grim thought. I really hope that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hey, it's been a while since I've said this,
Speaker 1: but it's time for Paul Ford's News or ruse. Yes
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: There will be three bits of news, there'll be something
Speaker 3: off piece blatantly incorrect, and the Eihuel Trophy will be
Speaker 3: avoided awarded. Each week Ranfilly Shields Dolls will either be
Speaker 3: heading off to Jason's mansion out west or to Dylan's
Speaker 3: castle on the North Shore, or it'll be staying in
Speaker 3: my humble bungalow in Carrori. So well, let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Number one Nottingham Shay have signed Lunsdon's finest Jacob Duffy,
Speaker 3: as they battle to avoid relegation from Division one of
Speaker 3: the County Championship. The thirty year old, with fourteen T
Speaker 3: twenty and six One day international caps for New Zealand,
Speaker 3: has taken two hundred and ninety three first class wickets
Speaker 3: in a twelve year long professional career. He joins knots
Speaker 3: for their final two red ball matches this season, with
Speaker 3: the East Midland side third from bottom. He actually had
Speaker 3: his made his debut four knots overnight against his former side.
Speaker 3: He didn't bat and he didn't bowl, but he's next
Speaker 3: man in and they are about four hundred for six
Speaker 3: something like that. The Peter Moores is the coach there
Speaker 3: and he said Duffy has experienced under his belt and
Speaker 3: skill set and time spent in England previously means he
Speaker 3: has the ability to make a difference. Intriguingly, I did
Speaker 3: look up interesting people from Lumsdon. Darryl Gibson is one
Speaker 3: and current resident lou Vincent is another. There we go
Speaker 3: number two. Sky has renewed it to BCCI Home International rights.
Speaker 3: It's an announcement of a four year renewal of its
Speaker 3: broadcast partnership with Indian Crickets Stars. The deal runs through
Speaker 3: to twenty and twenty eight and it covers all Indian
Speaker 3: men's national team cricket matches taking place in India, including
Speaker 3: New Zealand's upcoming tour, which will be three Test matches
Speaker 3: that kick off mid October. There will be seventy two
Speaker 3: fixtures in all, and of course just a reminder that
Speaker 3: domestic New Zealand cricket rights are still held by TV
Speaker 3: and Z through until twenty twenty five I think anyway,
Speaker 3: the next three years anyway from twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 3: And number three, Big Bad bat Essex have described English
Speaker 3: Cricket Chiefs as absolutely stupid for docking the county twelve
Speaker 3: points because one of their players used a bat that
Speaker 3: was ruled too wide by a millimeter or two. The
Speaker 3: club slim hopes of winning the County Championship First Division
Speaker 3: of all but evaporated after a bat used by Farose
Speaker 3: Cushy in April's match against nottingham Shire was found to
Speaker 3: have exceeded the permitted dimensions. Cushi made one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one in his second innings when the bat was
Speaker 3: ruled to have breached the regulations when tested by the
Speaker 3: match umpires England. Former Essex president and former England captain
Speaker 3: Keith Fletcher said, I assume the SEB thought this was
Speaker 3: cheating and the appeal panel is trying to flex its
Speaker 3: m its muscles a bit. Parrose does not believe he
Speaker 3: did anything wrong. The whole size being penalized, not just
Speaker 3: one player. It's only a few millimeters and I think
Speaker 3: the e c B have been absolutely stupid. There you go,
Speaker 3: there's the three.
Speaker 2: What was Well, I think I know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's the last story I believe. And the bat wasn't
Speaker 2: too wide. The gauge on it was too high. Ah,
Speaker 2: And yes, everything else about that story was dead right.
Speaker 2: I remember reading it very interested inly, wondering if it
Speaker 2: was a wide bet. But it wasn't a wide bet.
Speaker 2: It was a two what's the what's the opposite of
Speaker 2: broad vertical?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The anyway, the gauge on it was slightly out. They
Speaker 2: couldn't get it through the whole right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go story three too and say they were
Speaker 1: doped sex points.
Speaker 3: Well I don't. I'm gonna have to chick. I'm going
Speaker 3: to fact check your one, Dylan, because I don't know
Speaker 3: about that, but because she only made twenty one, that
Speaker 3: was an extra hundred runs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't too wide though, But I look, I'll
Speaker 2: be very big Menimus about this and I'll take the
Speaker 2: trophy this week.
Speaker 3: Wow, Holy jeez, audacious.
Speaker 1: Hey Pull Forwards Cricket Violence Corner, Paul Forwards Cricket Violence Corner.
Speaker 3: A thirty year old cow vigilante from klim And the
Speaker 3: Thane district was kidnapped and brutally as solved by two
Speaker 3: men and two cricket bats on Wednesday. The attackers verbally
Speaker 3: abused their victim as well, accusing him of informing the
Speaker 3: police about a pickup truck transporting a hall of illegal beef,
Speaker 3: which led to the vehicle seizure. The incident occurred before
Speaker 3: the start of playing nine to thirty am on Tuesday,
Speaker 3: when the victim was forcibly taken from his car and
Speaker 3: placed into an auto rickshaw, transported to a location on
Speaker 3: the bypass road, then severely beaten with two unbranded cricket bats.
Speaker 3: After the assault, the victim was moved to another vehicle
Speaker 3: and dropped near a flower market that is the only
Speaker 3: rosy thing about this story. Aslam Muller and I have
Speaker 3: been apprehended on smagas board of charges, including my absolute favorite,
Speaker 3: a criminal act done in furtherance of a common intention.
Speaker 2: There we go. It was the verbal abuse that heard
Speaker 2: the most of I mean, the beating was bad, but yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a name calling that really got.
Speaker 1: To Hey, tell you we're going to do We'll take
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Speaker 1: Base Regade Great staff. This is from Simon h the
Speaker 1: longest run up in history. Do you want me to
Speaker 1: read it?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Evening Chaps from a gray and gloomy nant witch in England.
Speaker 1: In spite of it being midsummer here, i'mn't sure as
Speaker 1: to when you were back on air. Nevertheless, I thought
Speaker 1: this would be an interesting piece of cricket related news
Speaker 1: to fill the void during the winter hiatus, adding what
Speaker 1: must now be considered are considered the longest run up
Speaker 1: in history. As a pretext, Tom is in our fantasy
Speaker 1: football group and I caught a snippet that he was
Speaker 1: running fifteen kilometers in full cricket whites through the streets
Speaker 1: of London, complete with ball. This got me thinking about
Speaker 1: this potentially being a long run up, and I was
Speaker 1: mulling over if this might be some kind of record.
Speaker 1: Fast forward a few days and it seems like he
Speaker 1: smashed the previous skinness world record by some distance and
Speaker 1: raised some decent money for charity in the process. I
Speaker 1: hadn't realized it had actually run in and bowled the
Speaker 1: opening delivery of an actual match in the process. He
Speaker 1: told me that it was full and straight, which is
Speaker 1: just as well, and that is one ball you wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to have to bowl again if it had gone
Speaker 1: down the leg's side for four wides. Bravo Tom, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you will agree that fundraising for minds UK
Speaker 1: feels quite poignant about helping bring wider awareness about men's
Speaker 1: mental health and sport, given that we recently lost the
Speaker 1: great Graham Thorpe. I hope this finds you are well
Speaker 1: and I look forward to more BYC episodes on my
Speaker 1: drives around the northwest of England in the very near future.
Speaker 2: All the best Simon, good stuff, Simon. And yeah it
Speaker 2: did right. That was a shocking piece of news, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Graham Thorpe, Yes, it was very would you call him gritty?
Speaker 2: He wasn't quite classical, but he wasn't really gritty here.
Speaker 2: He was just a very very fine left hand tough
Speaker 2: tough yeah, yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Can I just a little piece of just a little
Speaker 3: a correction if you will, Tom Dunn, this is the
Speaker 3: guy that Simon has written to us about, So bethnal Green.
Speaker 3: It wasn't fifteen it wasn't fifteen kilometers. It was fifteen
Speaker 3: miles that he ran in, so twenty four point five
Speaker 3: kilometers sensational. And they've got a cricket team called the
Speaker 3: Dell Boys Cricket Club and the game was at Wan'sworth Common,
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely brilliant. Like re ran past the Tower Bridge,
Speaker 3: Big ben Batasy power Station, London Eye, kind of along
Speaker 3: the banks of the Thames there, So absolutely sensational. It
Speaker 3: did make me think about the longest run up that
Speaker 3: I've ever seen, and for me it was Michael Holding
Speaker 3: at I think it was Ash Burton playing for Canterbury.
Speaker 3: My god, it was long and it was scary and
Speaker 3: it was silky and it was smooth and it was frightening.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to say Michael Holding he was terrifying.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he had a real glide, didn't It was a glide.
Speaker 2: Beautiful sprinter's kind of action. And Bob Willis was probably
Speaker 2: the longest I saw a poky park and you put
Speaker 2: him with playing for England. He really had to start
Speaker 2: as run up off the bank, very small ground poker park,
Speaker 2: but it was it blew me away. I was just
Speaker 2: a young kid at the time. I thought, wow, that's
Speaker 2: and he was bustling. He was kind of all arms
Speaker 2: and yes, yahoun around that weird action that he had
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 3: Dylan and Free Truman famously said about Bob Willis's run
Speaker 3: up that he said, christ, I don't go that far
Speaker 3: in my holidays.
Speaker 1: It's interesting in terms of the run up because it
Speaker 1: just seems a little bit over the top of you.
Speaker 1: If you had got a massive one, it seems like
Speaker 1: you know. Of course, with the controversy with Richard Hadley
Speaker 1: and his long run up and everyone you know, and
Speaker 1: then he played county cricket and went, oh geez, I
Speaker 1: can't carry on with us for everyone when to shortened
Speaker 1: my run up until he got back to New Zealand
Speaker 1: and even went, oh no, you can't do that, and
Speaker 1: he knew better, but he went back to it at
Speaker 1: the end, didn't he.
Speaker 2: It was part of the guess, the bristling mckismo of
Speaker 2: fast bowling back in those days. I mean, yes, Lily's
Speaker 2: original run up was extraordinary long as well. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean YouTube is just an incredible, incredibly rich place
Speaker 2: for old cricket videos at the moment. I've been watching
Speaker 2: highlights of series from the sixties and seventies in England
Speaker 2: and watch how cricket has changed. I mean, it is fantastic.
Speaker 2: In fact, I should bring a few links along to
Speaker 2: our subscriber.
Speaker 3: I've got one for everyone to google, including you guys,
Speaker 3: The eight Z of New Zealand Fast Bowlers. But obviously
Speaker 3: it was only up to about the mid nineteen nineties,
Speaker 3: so it's got Willie Watson and Studio Z of their
Speaker 3: run ups. Very very good, highly recommend it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, well listen everyone, thanks for taking the time
Speaker 1: to listen to our podcast. Hopefully we'll be well. We
Speaker 1: will be back the same time, same place next week
Speaker 1: with some good news fellas. Hey, fingers crossed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, till then you kind of put a downer on
Speaker 2: it for me. Oh, I remain optimistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Jason meant about the seasons, some good
Speaker 3: news about the seasons.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, of course we've switched over to spring
Speaker 2: in a couple of days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, we do. Hey, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 1: We'll see you soon.