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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin to find the real story gory.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dupasy Eland Drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected News talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon coming up on Today Show. Phil Goff says that

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Speaker 3: words aren't enough. We now have to do something about

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Speaker 3: what's happening in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: He's with us.

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Speaker 3: After five, we'll have a chat to Papa toy Toy

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Speaker 3: High School principal warn Quio about whether he supports taking

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Speaker 3: parents to court over attendance. And Tim a rou has

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Speaker 3: the best water in the country. We'll talk to the mayor.

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Speaker 5: Heather Duplicy Elan.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you about my champion of the week.

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Speaker 3: My champion of the week is a woman called Ruth Tippoop.

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Speaker 3: Ruth is from Nelson and Ruth is the woman who

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Speaker 3: picked up the flag in that art installation. You'll be

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Speaker 3: aware of the art installation by now because it had

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Speaker 3: a few days worth of headlines.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's the one that proved to be reasonably controversial because

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Speaker 3: it involved the New Zealand flag lying on the floor

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Speaker 3: with a sign that said please walk on me. And

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Speaker 3: apparently it was meant as statement quote against a status

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Speaker 3: quote that is built upon violent colonization. Now, to be honestly,

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Speaker 3: I actually don't have an opinion on the flag lying

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Speaker 3: on the floor a door. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: really art. I don't know if it's just maybe lazy

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Speaker 3: provocation dressed up as art. It didn't particularly upset me.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really care. I didn't think about it too much.

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Speaker 3: But it did upset Ruth. So Ruth went to the

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Speaker 3: gallery to pick the flag up off the floor, and

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Speaker 3: she pledged to do it every single day if she

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Speaker 3: had to. And now the exhibition has been removed.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: The thing I like about Ruth is that she didn't

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Speaker 3: get ugly or confrontational when she was doing this, which

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Speaker 3: is always the risk with a confrontational art installation like this. Right,

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Speaker 3: it pushes people's buttons so badly there's sometimes misbehave they're

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Speaker 3: so angry. That's not how Ruth behaved. She didn't hate

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Speaker 3: on anyone. She just said the flag is important to

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Speaker 3: under one flag. Yes, she said, she acknowledges there is

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Speaker 3: hurt in Mardi history. She fuck u up as Marty,

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Speaker 3: but doing this dishonors the flag and our country and

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Speaker 3: our two people living together. And she thinks, as far

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Speaker 3: as she's concerned, we already have enough division in our

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Speaker 3: country already, And isn't she right there is a lot

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Speaker 3: going on already without us then being asked to also

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Speaker 3: stand on the country's flag lying on the floor. Now,

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Speaker 3: I don't know, we could have a debate about whether

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Speaker 3: and it did provoke, and what it provoked was Ruth

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Speaker 3: reminding us that there is another way to look at things,

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Speaker 5: Ever, due Clan nine nine two is the.

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Speaker 3: Text number standard text fees apply and now to Auckland,

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Speaker 3: housing developers and Auckland are upset. They're going to have

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Speaker 3: Under some new rules, suburbs like Red Hills and Tamiki

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Speaker 3: they were paying before. Now, Troy Patchett is the head

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Speaker 3: us now. Troy, Hello, is that too much?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a roadblock. At the end of the day,

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Speaker 8: it will be the user that pays the men, the

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Speaker 8: Well, interestingly enough, the Oakland Council did come out with

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Speaker 8: But they've also got some other crazy methods going on

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Speaker 8: that have forced some of these fees which we didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you accept that developers do need to

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Speaker 9: Most definitely yep.

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Speaker 8: I mean a user pays, right, so the homeowner, which

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Speaker 8: So most definitely I think there should be some cost

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Speaker 3: You explain to me wider is that some suburbs are

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Speaker 8: Yeah, So what they're saying is that Auckland have pinpointed

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Speaker 8: some suburbs is higher intensification. Therefore it's going to have

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Speaker 8: there's going to be more we're and telling them. So

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Speaker 3: Country haves we little.

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Speaker 8: Suburbs, Yeah, most definitely. And you know, as soon as

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Speaker 8: the ground. The original development contributions killed that margin. There

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Hey, Troy, thanks for talking us through.

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Speaker 3: It appreciated. That's Troy Patchett, head of Strategy, had subdivide simplified.

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Speaker 3: Listen over to the US, there is an investigation underway

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Speaker 3: because it appears somebody is trying to impersonate Trump's chief

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Speaker 3: Susie Wilds is a very very important figure in the

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Speaker 3: Heather, I would like to send Ruth some flowers as

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Speaker 3: a thank you. I think many of us should send

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Speaker 3: Ruth some flowers as a thank you actually for what

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Speaker 3: she's done. At seventeen past four Jason pine Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: Hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather, Blues or more

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Speaker 3: wan aka Pacifica.

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Speaker 10: I would love more on a Pacifica to make it.

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Speaker 10: I think most people outside of the Blues fan base

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Speaker 10: would prefer having more on a Pacifica in the top

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Speaker 10: six than the Blue.

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Speaker 11: I mean, what a story, Heather, what a story?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 10: Are you a Blues fan?

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Speaker 3: Now? I'm apathetic? You know, we don't need to have

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Speaker 3: this conversation about Super Rugby. However, I am going to

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Speaker 10: Good which one the odd the one?

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Speaker 9: And ignor?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Are you really? There'll be a bit of a damp

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Speaker 10: I mean the Blues will probably win the game, yes,

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Speaker 10: and that will and that will probably get them into

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Speaker 10: the six because Mawana Pacifica, by contrast, have to come

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Speaker 3: That's not something to happen though, I don't think so.

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Speaker 10: I feel like, much as I would love to see them,

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Speaker 10: as I say in the Sex, I think Mona Pacifica

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Speaker 10: They've been so good, but against the Chiefs a week ago, man,

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Speaker 10: that was a bit of a hiding. So I kind

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Speaker 10: of feel as though the Blues will squeak in almost

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Speaker 10: in spite of themselves, if I'm honest. It's been a

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Speaker 10: fairly fairly meek and limp title defense. But having said that,

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Speaker 10: once they're in the six, it's one of those where it's,

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Speaker 10: you know, into knockout games. Maybe they'll lift their game,

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Speaker 10: Maybe we'll find them in the grand finals.

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Speaker 6: Who know.

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Speaker 3: Money, I mean, are we being unfair on will one

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Speaker 3: A Pacific because didn't they just lose because it was

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Speaker 10: That's a very good point because I mean the Chiefs

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Speaker 10: play like that against anybody, you get a hiding, right

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Speaker 10: I think I think Maana just got them on that night.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: The Chiefs are good. The Chiefs are well in my

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Speaker 10: mind anyway, the favorites to finally win the whole thing.

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Speaker 10: They've made the last two Grand finals. I would be

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Speaker 10: you know, I'd be putting money on them if I

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Speaker 10: was in possession of any to win the whole thing.

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Speaker 10: They are a very good team. So yeah, maybe Mowana

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Speaker 10: will surprise us all Artie's return to Wellington. Maybe Hill

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Speaker 10: inspire them to win over the Hurricanes and they will

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Speaker 10: be in the sixth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know you might get your story after all.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon? The Warriors are going to be able

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Speaker 3: to bounce back?

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Speaker 10: I think so. They have twice the season when they've lost.

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Speaker 10: They lost to the Raiders in Vegas, bounced back with

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Speaker 10: They were missing their co captains last week, both of

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Speaker 3: Then I don't know whither I don't know, But your

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Speaker 3: Yet the look the rumors have been doing the rounds

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Speaker 3: Phil Goffs obviously thought about it. He said, the words

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Speaker 5: Let's get connected news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: But do you know that pump water is just treated

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Speaker 3: That's why I like it. Hither the best water I've

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Speaker 3: Twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 3: Trump's tariffs are back on for now, at least. First

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Speaker 5: Even if we lose, we will do it another way.

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Speaker 15: And I can assure you, marrying people, that the Trump

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Speaker 3: Over the Tasman. The Senate election results have been finalized.

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Speaker 3: And finally, Madam Tussard's Wax Museum in London has unveiled

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 6: Dan, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 3: Where have you been?

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Speaker 6: You mean in general today the last year?

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Speaker 3: Haven't you haven't been on the show with us for days?

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Speaker 3: Where have you been?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Oh I had an anniversary that's right earlier this this week.

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Speaker 3: So you're we're a marriage anniversary.

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Speaker 6: No, it was a marriage anniversary. What goal have you

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Speaker 3: Now you should celebrate nice things in your life. I'm

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Speaker 15: Office and he said, you know, that's a nasty question,

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Speaker 15: but basically, yeah, like you just said in the world wires,

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Speaker 15: I mean, the US Court of International Trade has ruled

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Speaker 15: that he exceeded his authority on the power. So the

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Speaker 15: court gave the White House ten days to remove almost

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Speaker 15: all the tariffs. The White House appealed, and then the

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Speaker 15: Federal Appeals Court has now stayed the court's rerually, which

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Speaker 15: means Eezer got to stay in place for the time being.

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Speaker 6: In one way or the other.

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Speaker 15: I mean, these tariffs are going to go through. I

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Speaker 15: mean this has been a huge part of his agenda

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Speaker 15: for the first one hundred plus day. So I think

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Speaker 15: they'll find a way to tack these on somehow.

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Speaker 3: All right, now, what has happened with Elon mass.

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Speaker 15: Gosh, you know, I'm trying to think back to maybe

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Speaker 15: it was six months ago you had somebody on your

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Speaker 15: show Good.

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Speaker 3: Try, Okay, So what happened was what was the date

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Speaker 3: it was? It was November the twentieth of November twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four when one Dan Mitchison made this prediction.

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Speaker 15: I think in six months from now, we're going to say, hey,

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Speaker 15: whatever happened to that bromance and he's.

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Speaker 6: Going to be on to somebody else. Honestly, I think

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Speaker 6: that's where.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let me just count one of him. December January, February,

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Speaker 3: March April, so you're just a month out but that's

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Speaker 3: pretty good.

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Speaker 15: That is that is yeah, Actually, I mean it was

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Speaker 15: only a matter of time. I mean, he sat down

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Speaker 15: for this big interview with CBS Sunday morning, it's going

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Speaker 15: to be that's going to be airing, and he says,

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Speaker 15: you know, he agrees with a lot of what the

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Speaker 15: administration does, but he says he also has a difference

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Speaker 15: of opinion, and he says there are things that he

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Speaker 15: doesn't entirely agree on, and I think we've seen that

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Speaker 15: more and more of the last thirty and sixty days.

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Speaker 15: But he says, it's kind of hard to bring that

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Speaker 15: up if you're appear to be criticizing the president, because

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Speaker 15: it's a bone of contention. And he says, I'm kind

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Speaker 15: of stuck between a rock and a hard place. I

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Speaker 15: don't want to speak up against administration, but I don't

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Speaker 15: want to take responsibility for everything that they're doing.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, he says, I'm kind of stuck.

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Speaker 15: And so I think these two are just sort of

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Speaker 15: having a parting of the ways, which one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't sound like it's terribly hostile, is it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't sound like it's total bromance, but

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Speaker 3: it's not hostile either.

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Speaker 6: No, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you know, the musk wasn't going to stay

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Speaker 15: there for the entire four years, and you know, TESLA

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Speaker 15: and the board of directors right now are saying you

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Speaker 15: got to get back and focus on your number one

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Speaker 15: priority because you know, stock and sales are down, you know,

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Speaker 15: thirty forty percent right now.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's what he's going to be turning

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Speaker 6: his attention to.

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Speaker 15: But you know, there's definitely, I think, been a little

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Speaker 15: bit more tension in the last few months than there

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Speaker 15: was back in November and December in the early part

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Speaker 15: of this year between the two. But I'm glad, you know,

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Speaker 15: every once in a while, unlike what my kids might

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Speaker 15: say or even my wife on occasion, I can be.

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Speaker 3: Right about so almost right, almost right.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, almost right, yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Now, these three of a mmicals have been found in

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Speaker 3: American beer. How do they end up there?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean ninety five percent of beers that they

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Speaker 15: tested had these synthetic chemicals in them, and they're basically

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Speaker 15: coming in from the water that's used to brew beer.

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Speaker 15: I mean they're called forever chemicals, and the Environmental Protection

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Speaker 15: Agency had established a limit for them in drinking water.

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Speaker 15: And then researchers said, well, wait a minute, this isn't

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Speaker 15: good because they're linked to cancer and thyroid disease and

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Speaker 15: liver damage and fertility problems, and so they're testing in

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Speaker 15: certain parts of the country right now. I think North

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Speaker 15: Carolina had the highest number.

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Speaker 6: Of these toxins.

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Speaker 15: And bottom line is it means the standard of water

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Speaker 15: filtration over here right now for some of these systems

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Speaker 15: and breweries is not effective enough. And it means we

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Speaker 15: need better ways to treat our water, and not just

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Speaker 15: you know, breweries, but also at local water plants that

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Speaker 15: we're drinking here and there. And I'll have to go

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Speaker 15: back when you were talking about the best water, The

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Speaker 15: best water ever comes out of a host tap. In

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Speaker 15: my opinion, I still as a kid I look back

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Speaker 15: on that. I think that's the best tasting water.

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Speaker 3: Ran Dan. It tastes like a like the hose though

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Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, Dad, no time.

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Speaker 6: Dan.

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Speaker 3: It tastes like the hose, which means that you like

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Speaker 3: the taste of the hose.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's better than the one of your listeners was

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Speaker 15: saying the sewage or they had a natty taste. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I'll take the hose over that any deal.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we all would. Okay, that's kind of weird,

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Speaker 3: but I love that. Dan Mitchison always an odd man?

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Speaker 3: Are you is? Correspondent? That hoes always it always, because

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Speaker 3: especially in the summer a it's been like that hose

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Speaker 3: has been sitting there cooking. You know what I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about it? You know when you drink like you get

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Speaker 3: the kids, You get the kids. You give the kids

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Speaker 3: the little rubbery cups and plates and stuff so they

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Speaker 3: don't smash everything while while they're busy pretending to eat

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Speaker 3: and you drink something out of it. I can taste

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Speaker 3: yesterday's RaRo in this water, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And it's the same thing with the hose, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That hose has been sitting there in the summer in

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Speaker 3: the baking sun, and it's just it's just cooked up,

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Speaker 3: a nice little hose taste. And then you put the

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Speaker 3: water through it, you taste that hose. You absolutely weirdo Dan? Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Heather Madame toussad is pronounced two sword, a bit like

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Speaker 3: two sword or two moored. If you get my drift,

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Speaker 3: do you know what, Terry don't care if there's one

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Speaker 3: thing that you need to know about the show is

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Speaker 3: that French pronunciation. In fact, any kind of pronunciation that's

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Speaker 3: not English is just at your leisure if you want,

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Speaker 3: at your discretion. I don't try to. Sometimes sometimes we

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Speaker 3: nail it. Sometimes it's the old puke corche. Sometimes just

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Speaker 3: lazy pikakoe, you know what I mean. Sometimes we're like, m,

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Speaker 3: look at that croissant delicious. Sometimes just croissant seven blanc.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, because guess what we're speaking.

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Speaker 3: That's right English. Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's our political editors with us. Hey, Jason Afternoon

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Speaker 3: has It's the big switch over this weekend from win

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters to David Seymour and this. But a lot

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Speaker 3: has been made about whether things are going to change.

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Speaker 3: But I don't think much is going to change to you.

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Speaker 16: Most people that are not. In fact, everybody living outside

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Speaker 16: of the Beltway won't. It'll be exactly the same, and

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Speaker 16: maybe a few people inside the Beltway will be able

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Speaker 16: to detect some small little differences. But I mean, listen.

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Speaker 16: Winston Peters has been the Deputy Prime Minister for eighteen

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Speaker 16: months and the world hasn't fallen to pieces. Everything has

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Speaker 16: been relatively fine. He's done exactly what he said he's

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Speaker 16: going to do as the Deputy Prime Minister. And I

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Speaker 16: think one part of this is that Winston sticks so

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Speaker 16: religiously to that coalition agreement that I know there was

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Speaker 16: some scuttle bug about him wanting to maybe potentially look

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Speaker 16: at another election or a snap election. All nonsense. Winston

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Speaker 16: is he sticks to that coalition agreement and he sticks

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Speaker 16: to it like it is the legal document that it is.

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Speaker 16: It's interesting though, because Seymour has taken some heat from

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Speaker 16: the likes of Chris Hipkins saying how he's going to

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Speaker 16: take the country backwards, etc.

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Speaker 3: Etc.

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Speaker 16: Fill in the blanks here, But speaking to Chelsea Daniels

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Speaker 16: on the Front Page podcast, Seymour returned fire and in

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Speaker 16: quite an interesting way that only I think David Seymour could.

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Speaker 5: Would you roll out working with Hipkins?

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Speaker 17: Well, the difference is I don't need to say it. Look,

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Speaker 17: I mean this is a guy who was the police

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Speaker 17: minister when the crime got out of control. He was

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Speaker 17: in charge of the COVID response, which speaks for itself.

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Speaker 17: He was the Minister of Education when kids stopped going

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Speaker 17: to school on Mass and he was the Minister of

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Speaker 17: Health when the health budget went up sixty percent and

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Speaker 17: the outcomes got worse. So you know, this guy has

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Speaker 17: got the opposite of the Midas touch. I think they

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Speaker 17: call him a Pooh Midas and he's suddenly done some damage.

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Speaker 16: It's just it's such a silly little comment. But it's

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Speaker 16: just it's David Seymour to a t, you know. So, no,

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Speaker 16: the world is not gonna set on fire on Saturday

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Speaker 16: tomorrow when Seymour takes over. In fact, you probably won't

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Speaker 16: notice a difference.

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Speaker 3: Hey, what is this bill? It just explained to me

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Speaker 3: what this bill around the deep fake AI content is

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Speaker 3: going to do.

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Speaker 16: It's an interesting one. So it's Laura McClure.

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Speaker 6: So you might not have heard of her before.

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Speaker 16: She's a relatively new act MP, and she's got this

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Speaker 16: member's bill in the ballot, so it doesn't really have

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Speaker 16: at the moment much of a chance of being pulled.

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Speaker 16: The bill is to expand existing laws around revenge porn

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Speaker 16: and intimate recordings to ensure that those who produce or

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Speaker 16: share deep fakes without the consent of the person involve

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Speaker 16: face criminal accountability, and it would also ensure that the

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Speaker 16: victims of this have a clear pathway to seek redress

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Speaker 16: and removal of said harmful content. Now, Laura spoke about

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Speaker 16: this a few weeks ago in the house and she

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Speaker 16: did something rather unusual when she was speaking, have a listen.

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Speaker 18: This image as a naked image of me, but it

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Speaker 18: is not real. This image is what we call a

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Speaker 18: deep faith. It took me less than five minutes to

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Speaker 18: make a series of deep fakes of myself.

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Speaker 16: So it was quite the scene in the house as

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Speaker 16: she stood up with an A three photo and held

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Speaker 16: up this naked photo of herself. It was blurred so

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Speaker 16: you couldn't see anything. So it was and it was

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Speaker 16: and listen, you might be asking, why haven't I heard

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Speaker 16: about this before. It came like a couple of hours

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Speaker 16: after Brook van Velden dropped the sea bomb in the house,

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Speaker 16: so it was kind of swept under the rug. But

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Speaker 16: I thought it was quite a good speed and quite

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Speaker 16: good to shine light on something like this because it

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Speaker 16: was quite a moment in terms of she just said,

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Speaker 16: you know, I made this in a couple of minutes,

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Speaker 16: and then she kind of talked about how she'd been

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Speaker 16: contract contacted by numerous families and young people who have

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Speaker 16: been victim of these sorts of deep facts.

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Speaker 3: Have a listen for the victims.

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Speaker 18: It is degrading and devastating. It even gives me that

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Speaker 18: it having to stand here in Parliament and hold up

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Speaker 18: a photo of myself knowing that it's not me, but

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Speaker 18: that it looks exactly like her need.

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Speaker 16: So her struggle now is it's in the member's ballot,

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Speaker 16: which is the Biscuit ten, where somebody draws it out

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Speaker 16: at random, so it could sit there for years. But

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Speaker 16: she's she's going behind the scenes asking a number of

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Speaker 16: members from other political parties to support it, and she

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Speaker 16: only needs sixty one non executive MPs that is non member,

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Speaker 16: non minister rather members of Parliament to support her to

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Speaker 16: actually get it onto the debate and bypass the Biscuit

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Speaker 16: ten altogether, or it could be picked up as a

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Speaker 16: government bill. However, the Justice Minister said that this is

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Speaker 16: not their intention at this time. So I think it's

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Speaker 16: a great initiative and as she says it only it

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Speaker 16: only takes a couple of lines being added into the

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Speaker 16: Crimes Act to actually stop this from happening, and I

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Speaker 16: think as we see the rise of these deep fakes

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Speaker 16: and these AI videos, I think it's something that we

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Speaker 16: really seriously need to be looking at.

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Speaker 3: What's the coalition's reluctance to back it. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: seems to me it could potentially be the bandwidth that

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Speaker 3: it takes to do this when they already have a

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Speaker 3: very very high workload. It could be the police resources

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Speaker 3: that would be tied up, do you know, I don't.

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Speaker 16: All I got from the Minister's office is it's not

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Speaker 16: our intention at this time, and I'm hoping we've with

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Speaker 16: talking about it like this, we put it a little

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Speaker 16: bit more pressure on the government to actually give a

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Speaker 16: good answer and actually saying you know, I think it's

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Speaker 16: a good use of the government's time in Parliament's time.

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Speaker 3: All right, Jason, thanks very much, appreciate your time. We'll

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Speaker 3: wrap the political week that was later on in the

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Speaker 3: show that's Jason Wool's our political leaders are. It's eight

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Speaker 3: away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspakers the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 19: So the Ministry of d has been given the directive

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Speaker 19: to prosecute parents who let their kid attendant suffers able

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Speaker 19: Seymour as the Associate Minister of Education.

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Speaker 20: What's the prosecution.

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Speaker 21: Well, basically, a school will go to the Ministry of

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Speaker 21: Education say look, we've got someone that they're not a can't,

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Speaker 21: they're a won't. We've tried, we've gone out, we've engaged

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Speaker 21: with them, are basically giving us the little finger and

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Speaker 21: saying educations are important and you've got no right to

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Speaker 21: demand that my kid enrolls and attends to school. In

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Speaker 21: that case, the Ministry of Education will weigh it up

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Speaker 21: and if it stacks up and you can find thirty

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Speaker 21: bucks a day, up to three hundred dollars initially for

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Speaker 21: a repeat offending, the file on parents can be three

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Speaker 21: thousand dollars.

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Speaker 19: Back Tuesday from six am, the mic asking Breakfast with

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Speaker 19: the rain drove of the lame news talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Whither you are wrong. Things will change when Seymour takes

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Speaker 3: office because he will give lux and hell because Luxeon

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Speaker 3: is two woke. I tend to disagree with that. I

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Speaker 3: think he's already given lux in a fair amount of

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Speaker 3: time of hell, to be honest, But we'll talk about

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Speaker 3: that later on now on the AI. And this is

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Speaker 3: the deep fake thing that Jason was just talking about.

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Speaker 3: I think I I'm just hazarding a guess, but I

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Speaker 3: would imagine that the reason that the government's not doing

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Speaker 3: anything about this is because this is the potential to

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Speaker 3: tie up a huge amount of police resource. And as

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Speaker 3: we've seen, the thin blue light, the blue light front

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Speaker 3: line is stretched so thin. It really is the thin

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Speaker 3: thinnest of thin blue lines. At the moment, they can't

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Speaker 3: even deal with burglaries or thefts, rather shoplifting under five

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Speaker 3: hundred dollars, right, so there's how on earth are they

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Speaker 3: going to be able to deal with deep fakes? And

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Speaker 3: these things are just I mean, it's just have you

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Speaker 3: used AI? Because Jason Paris from One end Z was

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Speaker 3: raving about it so much earlier this week when I

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Speaker 3: did a panel with him that I decided to pay

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Speaker 3: get myself the chat GPT and pay for it. It's

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Speaker 3: forty dollars a month. That's so like, come on, that

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Speaker 3: is so expensive for anything on your phone. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I paid for it because I thought I wanted to

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Speaker 3: help me with the gardening, all right, So I took

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Speaker 3: a photo. I know mum stories, so it took a

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Speaker 3: photograph of the garden and I sent it to chat

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Speaker 3: GPT and I was like, what can I do to

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Speaker 3: this garden to add more texturans? Come through with all

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Speaker 3: these things. Anyway, I've been just going nuts on chat GPT,

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Speaker 3: So you know, all I need to do is take

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Speaker 3: a photo of the German and then put it through

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Speaker 3: the chat GPT and I'll have a deep fake naked's photo, right,

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Speaker 3: Like That's how simple. It is, just so unbelievably fast

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Speaker 3: and just so accurate. Anyway, Anyway, what they decided to

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Speaker 3: do was that the producers decided to see how how

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Speaker 3: well the AI could impersonate me. So they ran me

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Speaker 3: through the chat GPT. Hello, it's me, how the duplessy allen?

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Speaker 3: And look I was wrong. Instant coffee is actually disgusting. Now,

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Speaker 3: filter coffee, that's the good stuff. Love a fresh cup

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Speaker 3: of filter or drip coffee in the morning, ain't no

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Speaker 3: bad ah. So it's got it differently, has the cadence.

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Speaker 3: Its nailed how how I speak, and it snailed how

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Speaker 3: I sound like the tombre of my voice. But the

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Speaker 3: accent is a bit funny. They tried to get the

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Speaker 3: accent to change just be a little bit less. Was

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Speaker 3: that I don't know what the American British. I don't know, Jacinda,

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Speaker 3: Iden was right. We should have locked down for COVID

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Speaker 3: and in fact we should have locked down for longer.

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Speaker 3: If you ask me, I'm sorry, Jacinda, You're the best

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Speaker 3: Prime minister we've got. Did God kill it immediately? Sam?

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Speaker 3: Why could they not get me to sound like a

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Speaker 3: Kiwi happened? Don't they have the Kiwi accent? They don't

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Speaker 3: have a New Zealand accent and chat GPT yet. Okay,

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Speaker 3: well it won't take a lot. Check back in a

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Speaker 3: week and it'll be there. It also could be a

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Speaker 3: lot of it as the user is how the user

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Speaker 3: uses it. Well, you know, we'll just leave it there anyway.

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Speaker 3: Phil Goff is with us next on what to do

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Speaker 3: about Israel and Gaza, and then we'll have a chat

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Speaker 3: about the truancy. Think the educators don't love this, as

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Speaker 3: you can imagine news talks that.

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Speaker 14: Best questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust

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Speaker 14: for the full picture.

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Speaker 5: Heather Duplessy on.

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Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd.

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Speaker 3: Be afternoon, pull a Foreign Minister and High Commissioner to London.

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Speaker 3: Phil Goff says New Zealand needs to do more than

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Speaker 3: just use words to deal with the humanitarian crisis unfolding.

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Speaker 3: And right now, Phil GoF has written an opinion piece

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Speaker 3: today accusing Israel of committing war crimes, and he's calling

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Speaker 3: for sanctions. He's with us now, Phil, Yeah, hi, how

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Speaker 3: are you? I'm well, thank you? Are sanctions even in

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Speaker 3: our phil to change what Israel is doing as fast

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Speaker 3: as it needs to change.

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Speaker 12: Well, probably nothing is enough. The only thing that would

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Speaker 12: really move Israel as if the Trump administration was to

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Speaker 12: say no more. But unfortunately the president's not doing that.

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Speaker 12: He's in fact put sanctions not against Israel but against

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Speaker 12: the judges on the International Criminal Court that found that

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Speaker 12: and Yaho guilty of war crimes. And you know, far

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Speaker 12: from stopping what appears to be now genocide, moving people

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Speaker 12: out of their homes, out of their homeland, out of

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Speaker 12: the Gaza all together, he's encouraging that, saying we should

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Speaker 12: send them to Libya and let's make this the riviera

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Speaker 12: of the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: Change so unbelievable. I think things have rapidly changed in

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Speaker 3: the last of weeks, haven't they. So why when you

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Speaker 3: are faced with what we are seeing on television every

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Speaker 3: night at the moment of children starving. Why is the

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Speaker 3: US not doing anything about it? Do you think.

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Speaker 12: I don't think the US cares about the Palestinians. The

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Speaker 12: Israelis clearly don't care about the fact that you know,

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Speaker 12: they've killed seventeen thousand kids, that's a conservative estimate. They've

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Speaker 12: probably nimed forty or fifty thousand kids. They don't Their

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Speaker 12: goal is now clear. The extremists are in charge of Israel.

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Speaker 12: This is not the Israel that I spent time on

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Speaker 12: in when I was young, on kibbutzim. This is an

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Speaker 12: Israel that wants that don't believe they are living there

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Speaker 12: in the Palestinian areas have any rights. They want them out.

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Speaker 12: They want the whole territory and making life as difficult

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Speaker 12: and as horrible as possible for the people that are

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Speaker 12: still there. And it does it breaks your heart to

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Speaker 12: see those pictures that we see nightly from the comfort

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Speaker 12: of our living rooms at home in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Do you think is the endgame? I mean, is the

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Speaker 3: point here basically to clear out Gaza so that there

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Speaker 3: are no Palestonias nommas there.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't have said that probably a

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Speaker 12: year ago or six years ago, but I believe that

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Speaker 12: that now is the end game. And people like Ben Gavere,

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Speaker 12: the National Security Minister, and smot Rich who's the Minister

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Speaker 12: of Finance. These people are really extreme. You know, Ben

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Speaker 12: Gavere has been convicted in the past of, you know,

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Speaker 12: urging the elimination of the Arabs. You know, you saw

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Speaker 12: marches through Jerusalem last weekend where people where Jewish people

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Speaker 12: were chanting kill the Arabs. Now that's not all Jewish people.

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Speaker 12: There's a lot of good people in Israel that think

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Speaker 12: that what's happening here is wrong. And in the article

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Speaker 12: I quoted the former Prime Minister of Israel who Erhood

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Speaker 12: almut who came from Natana, who's own party, and he

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Speaker 12: talked about the indiscriminate, limitless, cruel and criminal killing of civilians.

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Speaker 12: So people within Israel understand that what Detanyahu's basically doing

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Speaker 12: is fighting for his not only his political life, but

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Speaker 12: his freedom because he knows that he will face criminal

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Speaker 12: charges for corruption when he ceases to be prime minister.

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Speaker 12: The people that are in charge of that place now

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Speaker 12: are extreme in every way, and what they're doing is

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Speaker 12: totally intolerable. So it's up to us now to take

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Speaker 12: whatever steps we can. We're a small nation, but in

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Speaker 12: the past we've worked with other countries, you know, like

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Speaker 12: Ireland and Sweden. They are both calling for sanctions against Israel.

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Speaker 12: If the UU put sanctions against Israel, that's a third

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Speaker 12: of Israel's total trade. That will hurt Israel. If we

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Speaker 12: were to put sanctions not just against the extremist settlers

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Speaker 12: that our government has put sanctions against, but against the

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Speaker 12: political leadership of Israel, then we could make a difference.

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Speaker 12: If we were to stand up in the UN and

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Speaker 12: lead rather than simply follow, that would also make a difference.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time. I appreciated Phil goth former

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Speaker 3: Minister of Foreign Affairs, obviously former Commissioner High Commissioner to London.

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Speaker 3: By the way, his replacement has just been announced, Hamish

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Speaker 3: Cooper will take the job in September.

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Speaker 6: Ever do for Cee Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Ministry of Education is going to start prosecuting parents of

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Speaker 3: kids who aren't attending school. Prosecution will be considered for

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Speaker 3: any student who misses fifteen days or more in a

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Speaker 3: single school term, which frankly as a lot to miss.

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Speaker 3: Vaughan quire is Papatoy toy's high school high school's principle

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Speaker 3: and with us now have one.

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Speaker 4: Hey here the welcome back, hope everything's all right.

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Speaker 3: Domestically, yes, it is, thank you, that's why worn obviously, yes, oh.

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Speaker 11: You of course it's the easier part.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Listen, tell me do you support this?

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Speaker 4: In certain circumstances, something like a prosecution could be appropriate,

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Speaker 4: But it's all about the journey that gets you there,

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Speaker 4: So certainly wouldn't be the first part of call because

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Speaker 4: it's not the way to build a meaningful learning relationship

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Speaker 4: in terms of his a fiscal or other sort of penalty.

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Speaker 4: But it could be appropriate and certain extreme circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Which extreme circumstances well.

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Speaker 4: Mostly probably where the grown up is at fault and

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Speaker 4: not the kid. So where you've got young children where

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Speaker 4: the parents are refusing to engage in what is the

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Speaker 4: lawful obligation to test send kids to school in any capacity?

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Speaker 20: Is it's probably appropriate.

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Speaker 4: Where you've got a thirteen year old where the parents

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Speaker 4: are desperate to get the kid to Schoolhere they keep

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Speaker 4: turning left and going to the mall as opposed to

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Speaker 4: right to the school. Probably not appropriate. That's more of

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Speaker 4: a learning conversation. But Yeah, that's an example where maybe

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Speaker 4: the parents of an eight year old just refuse to

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Speaker 4: engage with anybody or anything.

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Speaker 3: Do you and these people do exist? Do you have

872
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: some at your school?

873
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: No, I haven't hit anyone that extreme. We have got

874
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: some school refusing students. But where the grown ups are

875
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: actively engaged in trying to get their students to school,

876
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: so that there doesn't seem to any advantage in fiscally

877
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 4: penalizing a parent who is actively trying to do their best.

878
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 4: It's where the student and the parent are actively trying

879
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 4: to avoid the system where a fiscal penalty could be

880
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: could be advantageous. But those of I have you yet

881
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 4: to stumble across one in my career?

882
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 3: Okay, hey Vaughan, thank you very much, really appreciate you time. Mate,

883
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: Vaughn cure your Pappatoy Toy high School principle.

884
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 5: Ever doopers al?

885
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: I stumbled across one of these parents recently, In fact,

886
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: I did. I'm going to tell you. Yeah, I'll tell

887
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: you about it. Let me just write this down. Parent,

888
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: tell you because I forget everything now because I have

889
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 3: a newborn, so I have no baby brainer set and

890
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 3: I will remember to tell you before the half past.

891
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: You're gonna want to hear this. One ACC's chair though

892
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: just quickly has quit Tracy Batton. Now Tracy Batton took

893
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: over as chair after Steve Mahari in two thousand and

894
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: three in December. This is interesting only because of all

895
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: of the things going down at ACC at the moment.

896
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: So we as in the question is is Tracy leaving

897
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 3: because Tracy has more important things to do, like spend

898
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: time with family in Australia or as leaving which she

899
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 3: didn't like what's going on at ACC. We'll talk to

900
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: the minister after six about it. But also the same

901
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: minister is responsible. Do you remember, I think it was

902
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 3: yesterday on the show we talked about how the government

903
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: is legislating to protect two big Aussie banks. Right there

904
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 3: is one hundred and seventy thousand kiwis taking class action

905
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: against two bossie banks. Basically they owe the kiwi's money.

906
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: The government has now introduced this introduced changes to the

907
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 3: Triple CFA legislation that will retrospectively wipe the fines the

908
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,479
Speaker 3: two big banks have to pay. That same Minister Scott

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Speaker 5: Heather Duples see Allen either just wondering.

929
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: Why neither you nor Phil Goff posed the question as

930
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 3: to whether the war would end of hamas release the hostages.

931
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 3: I'll get back to that in a tech Jane, thank

932
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: you for asking the question. Listen eighteen past five. Round

933
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 3: of applause for Timaru because the South Canterbury town has

934
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: the best tap water in the country, as judged by

935
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: a panel of judges at the National Water Taste Test

936
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: competition last night. Nigel Bowen is Timaru's mayor.

937
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 20: Hello, Nigel, good evening, how are you well?

938
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: Thank you? Am I right in thinking you guys have

939
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 3: won this three out of the last six times.

940
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right. We've done pretty well across different order

941
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 22: supply as well, which has been really good.

942
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 20: So you know, the team, are you mixing it up?

943
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: You're not even just going in with the same water

944
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: supply every time. You're trying it all out.

945
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 22: We're mixing it out there. The team have got confidence

946
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 22: that they can put any of our water supplies in,

947
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 22: so they have mixed it up over the years. So

948
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 22: three different water supplies have one.

949
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 3: When you drink a glass of Timaru water as opposed

950
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: to other water around the country in the world as

951
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: you travel, do you think that's a good one?

952
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 6: You look?

953
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 22: You know, I'm a Timori born lad, so I think

954
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 22: I'm you know, lucky in the fact that we'll probably

955
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 22: take good water for granted, and you know, overall a

956
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 22: lot of New Zealand water is not too bad, but

957
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 22: it is pretty good, and it's sort of recognition of

958
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 22: both the source profile. Yeah, good, good question, it's just

959
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 22: perfect sort of Nature's Nigel.

960
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: You can get water that's a little bit on the

961
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: kind of earthy side, then you can get the really

962
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 3: like tangy metallic stuff, which is what I go for that,

963
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? What have you guys

964
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: got on?

965
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 21: Yeah?

966
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 22: Yeah, no, I actually think it's free from most of

967
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 22: those you know, those tastes if you like. So, I

968
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 22: think that's what's great about it, sort of you know,

969
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 22: so pure that you know that you can't get much better.

970
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 22: And the wonderful thing where this water supply is airport

971
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 22: sits on it as well, so you can fly into Timaru,

972
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 22: get get a glass of water from the airport and.

973
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 11: Have a hydration holiday if you like.

974
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 22: Lots of lots of opportunity.

975
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: Hey, just in terms of like actually having this stuff tested,

976
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: does does did you get any intel as to where

977
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: the water changes in the way it tastes, because presumably

978
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to get it out of the source

979
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: and put it in a bottle and send it off

980
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: to wherever to be tested. Does that change its flavor?

981
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 22: No, it doesn't. John Clemmons who took the sample up,

982
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 22: so he traveled up from Tomaru to Nelson for the competition,

983
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 22: so you know took it up.

984
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 12: So no, not at all.

985
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 22: I assume probably over a period of time, but you know,

986
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 22: a couple of days is fine issue.

987
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: Nigel, thanks for chatting to us about it. I really

988
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: appreci had it and well done you guys. Nigel Bowen

989
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: to Mauru's mayor. Okay, so on whether the hostages, whether

990
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: we should have discussed whether the hostages would end what's

991
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: happening in Gaza. Come on, do you actually think Hamask

992
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 3: cares what's happening to those children? You know, they don't.

993
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 3: You know, they don't if you believe, if you believe

994
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 3: what you're being told, which is that Hermas is putting

995
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 3: tunnels underneath hospitals, underneath kids' schools, under people's houses, using

996
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: humans essentially as body shields, does that tell you in

997
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: any way that Hermas cares what's happening to these kids. No,

998
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: of course they don't. They're not going to release They're

999
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: not They're not going to look at starving kids and

1000
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: be like, you know what that needs to stop, Let

1001
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: me release a hostage. That's not how these dudes behave,

1002
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 3: is it. So that's absolutely redundant. Now, what we are

1003
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: dealing with is exclusively people who have been caught in

1004
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: the crossfire of two groups going at each other, being

1005
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: the IDF and hummus. Right, these children are completely blameless,

1006
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 3: like that's the you can who can blame a chart

1007
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 3: and yet they're the ones suffering. So really, the only

1008
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: people who hold the fate now of these children in

1009
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: their hands are the IDF, because let's just let's call

1010
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 3: out Kamas for what they are. There are a bunch

1011
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: of terrorists with no heart, right, so you'd hope the

1012
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: other side had some heart, And at this stage it

1013
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: didn't feel very much like that, does it. Five point

1014
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 3: twenty two.

1015
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen

1016
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected and youth

1017
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: dogs'd be five.

1018
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: Twenty five listener. As we've discussed on the show, this

1019
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: weekend marks the last day of Winnie and the first

1020
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 3: day of David Seymour as the deputy Prime Minister. Now

1021
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: mostly I don't actually care. I mean, I largely agree

1022
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: with Jim Bolger's assessment, and obviously happy ninetieth birthday to

1023
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: Jim for tomorrow. The role doesn't actually mean very much.

1024
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: It's symbolic, It doesn't carry in a particular power other

1025
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: than really just letting you know who's second in command.

1026
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: But it feels like an appropriate time just to take

1027
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 3: a moment to acknowledge, because we don't do this very often,

1028
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: that it's actually very nice, isn't it to have both

1029
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 3: of these two men in government right now, if only

1030
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 3: to give them and that's a little bit of a

1031
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: push along, you know, to actually do things from time

1032
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: to time. Winston Winston strikes me right now as the

1033
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: right man for the right job for right now, don't

1034
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 3: you think with all this nutty stuff that's going on

1035
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 3: in the world, His huge previous experience as a foreign minister,

1036
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 3: I think is reassuring. I feel like it's not going

1037
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 3: overboard to say that I trust his instincts in the job.

1038
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: When he gets angry with Israel. You know, it's not

1039
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: for politics, it's not for performance. It's because he's actually

1040
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: angry with Israel given his experience, that would be warranted

1041
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 3: on David Seymour. If there's one thing that we can

1042
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 3: truly thank him for right now, it's shifting the Overton

1043
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 3: window so that we can and now do debate things

1044
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 3: like the treaty principles. The Overton window is the available

1045
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 3: is that it covers the stuff that we feel comfortable

1046
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 3: talking about in the media and in society. He has

1047
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: shifted that, so treaty principles are now firmly within the

1048
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: Overton window, and we talk about it and we should

1049
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 3: be able to debate it because they should not be taboo.

1050
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: Things that have as much impact on our economy and

1051
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: our societ, society and our lives as treaty principles and

1052
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: as on our private property as well, should be up

1053
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: for discussion without critics of those things being labeled racist.

1054
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 3: And it is squarely because of acts policies that though discussion,

1055
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: that those discussions are now out in the open now.

1056
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: I don't really expect very much to change after the weekend,

1057
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: other than maybe we'll see more of both men, more

1058
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: of David Seymour because he'll be the deputy, and more

1059
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 3: of Winston because he'll not be the deputy, which means

1060
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 3: that he can act up a little bit maybe, but

1061
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: either way, I think it's not a bad thing to

1062
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 3: have both of them in there at the moment?

1063
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 5: Is it Togever do?

1064
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 9: For see?

1065
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 6: Ellen?

1066
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: Okay, So parents who don't said their kids to school.

1067
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 3: So I was at a birthday party. I'm not going

1068
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 3: to name names, but I was at a birthday party

1069
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 3: and I met a woman and I started chatting to

1070
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 3: the woman. She told me she has an eight year

1071
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: old and eleven year old and she said that's sick.

1072
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: And I said, oh, you know, commiserations. They'll be away

1073
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 3: from school at the moment. And she said, no, they

1074
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: don't go to school. And I said, oh, she's your

1075
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 3: brave homeschooling and she said, oh no, I don't homeschool.

1076
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: I unschool. I said, what the hell is unschooling and

1077
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: she said, oh, I just let them kind of learn

1078
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: at their own pace. You know, I don't teach them anything.

1079
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: They just learn from the world. And I was like, well,

1080
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 3: you're nutty, aren't you. And so I said to her,

1081
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 3: I said, do you think that little Johnny over there

1082
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: is like be And I was like, be honest with me,

1083
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: do you think that little Johnny, when little Johnny reaches

1084
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: the age of sixteen, will little Johnny be able to

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Speaker 3: read as well as all the sixteen year olds that

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Speaker 3: went to school. And she was like, yeah, totally. And

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh great, can you read now? No,

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Speaker 3: so Levin can't read? That person deserves a fine. Don't

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Speaker 3: you think that's what that's for? Headline steps not.

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Speaker 20: To celebrate.

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Speaker 9: Away.

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Speaker 1: After making the news, the newsmakers talk to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather due to see Ellen drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talksa'd be.

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Speaker 5: Hugging Barnas and flowers.

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Speaker 2: My name and said, I just to ride with Peter

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Speaker 2: Lewis out of Asia for us in about an hour's time,

1098
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Speaker 2: just to talk through everything that's happening, especially of course

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Speaker 2: with regards to Trump's tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's twenty four away from six now. It

1101
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Speaker 3: has been more than seventy years since Sir ed summit

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Speaker 3: at Everest, but it's the first time that we've actually

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Speaker 3: sent a foreign minister to Nepaul. And of course it's

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters, Sir Ed's grandson. Alexander. Hillary is with us

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Speaker 3: from Nepaul.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Alex, Hey, how are you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: You guys got some celebrations going on at the moment.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, it's been absolutely incredible. We're up here high

1111
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 13: on Himalaya's sort of near Mount Everest. It's a beautiful day.

1112
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Speaker 13: I'm looking out the window right now and there's a

1113
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 13: monk burning juniper and beautiful mountains. And we had an

1114
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Speaker 13: incredible celebration yesterday.

1115
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Speaker 3: What did you do? Did it involve whiskey?

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Speaker 13: It didn't involve whiskey, but there was a little taste

1117
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Speaker 13: of chug, which is a rice bear. So when the

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00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 13: minister arrived, we actually had a welcome by the local

1119
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 13: women's group and they did a Jagata pinche, which is

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Speaker 13: essentially a beautiful chant, and at the end of it

1121
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 13: there's an offering of changy, So the minister and a

1122
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 13: few of us took a little sip of that, which

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00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 13: was very nice.

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Speaker 3: You're not making Winston climb at all, are you.

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Speaker 13: No, we're not no climbing involved, but you know, being

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Speaker 13: in the Himalayas altitude and sort of you know, the

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00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 13: complications of that are a part of it. So we

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Speaker 13: were up at you know, not that far off, four

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Speaker 13: thousand meters, so pretty high up in Himalayas, and we're

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Speaker 13: in Kundy and Kongjong Village, which is a really significant

1131
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 13: village for the Himalayan Trust. So it's where all our

1132
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 13: works started. And we were just amazed and really delighted that,

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00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 13: you know, the Minister and the High Commissioner of the

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00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 13: Ambassador came all the way up to see the projects

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Speaker 13: that we've been working on there for about sixty years.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I speaking of significance, how significant is it to

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Speaker 3: have a foreign minister come.

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Speaker 13: Well, look, I think it's it's hugely significant. So New

1139
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 13: Zealand and Nepal have had a pretty unique relationship for

1140
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Speaker 13: you know, since the nineteen fifties, since nineteen fifty three,

1141
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Speaker 13: and I think you know, a lot of Kiwis feel

1142
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Speaker 13: a great kinship for Nepal and if you've been here,

1143
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 13: it's an incredibly sort of enticing place. It's just fantastic.

1144
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Speaker 13: And I think, you know, to have that connection, to

1145
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 13: have that acknowledgment of that special relationship with the Deputy

1146
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 13: Prime Minister and the Minister Foreign Affairs come is incredibly special.

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Speaker 13: And the fact that he came up I guess to

1148
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Speaker 13: sort of the home of the Himalayan Trust, and Ed's

1149
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 13: relationship up here in the Himalayas is very special. The

1150
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Speaker 13: Himalayan Trust has worked with the New Zealand government for decades.

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Speaker 13: I don't exactly know when it began, but it's quite

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Speaker 13: possibly since the nineteen sixties, and we've worked together on projects, education,

1153
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Speaker 13: healthcare and different things. So it's a long standing partnership

1154
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Speaker 13: which is sort of now called the New Zealand International

1155
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Speaker 13: Development Cooperation. And I think, you know, Winston's acknowledgment of

1156
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 13: that partnership over many many years is really significant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good stuff. Hey, enjoy yourself and thank you so

1158
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Speaker 3: much for chatting to us. It's Alexander Hillary, so edmun

1159
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Speaker 3: Hillary's grandson here that they should change the name of

1160
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: the holiday called King's Birthday day King's Birthday to Edmund

1161
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 3: Hillary Day. He's one of our own and the king,

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I don't hate that. Twenty one

1163
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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southurby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Find You're one of a kind.

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Speaker 3: When two people are running at each other under these

1167
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: run at style conditions, the impact forces are like jumping

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Speaker 3: off the roof of your house on your front. So

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Speaker 3: that's the level of trauma that your body is experiencing.

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Speaker 8: I like to have chunks of rapid pooty New Zealand

1171
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 8: player Samoa Tama all play in the middle of the year.

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Speaker 13: Why origins on I don't know any other code in

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Speaker 13: the world where.

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Speaker 11: You would just rip out their best players to go

1175
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 11: climb for someone else.

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Speaker 5: There's a little trick playoff of the day looking for

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Speaker 5: the try. Oh that's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Look it doesn't contravene any more that I can think of,

1179
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Speaker 4: so it's.

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Speaker 3: A try sports title of us. This evening we have

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Speaker 3: Elliott Smith, Newstalks Zbbes rugby editor and Claywell's and Newstalg

1182
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Speaker 3: Zibbie sports news director. Hello lads, evening evening, Right Elliott,

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Speaker 3: what do we do with the run it?

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 23: Well, we shouldn't have to make it illegal. It should

1185
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 23: be common sense that two blokes or two ladies running

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Speaker 23: into each other at.

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Speaker 3: High stats don't do this kind of stand well because.

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Speaker 23: Their brains are fully formed idiots running at each other. Unfortunately,

1189
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 23: we've seen the darkest of consequences as a result this week.

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Speaker 23: But really it should be common sense that you shouldn't

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00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 23: run full tilt to each other, shouldn't need a law

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Speaker 23: being inacted. But hey, if that's going to be what

1193
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 23: stops it, But it's not. It's no because it's going

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00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 23: to it would stop the events being held, you know

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00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 23: that the official events. But two people in a park.

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Speaker 3: Or diet wasn't an official event.

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Speaker 23: A Facebook event and people are still going to turn up.

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Speaker 23: So I don't think banning it would have any impact.

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Speaker 3: What the boy who died, Clay, his uncle said that

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Speaker 3: what we should do is have rugby league and rugby

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Speaker 3: stars come out and talk about it and sort of

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Speaker 3: set an example. Would that change things, do you think?

1203
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 3: Or would it actually make hypocrites of them because they

1204
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: run at each other for money?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 21: I think so.

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Speaker 11: I mean, you could argue that rugby rugby league that

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00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 11: these sports it's a lot more controlled environment. While it

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Speaker 11: does happen, the chances are perhaps a lot lower than

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Speaker 11: something like this where you're actually, you know, deliberately running

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00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 11: straight into each other. But maybe, I mean, these people

1212
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Speaker 11: look up to these kind of things, and I tend

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Speaker 11: to think that these official events might have had something

1214
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 11: to do with what's happened, you know, like, if that

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00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 11: wasn't out there on social media, people aren't seeing that, right.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's been a direct link being drawn there.

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Speaker 11: So perhaps if we can find a way to legislate

1218
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 11: against these things being officially held. But that was the

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00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 11: discussion we were having in the office this week, is like, well,

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Speaker 11: how do you actually stop people from doing this? If

1221
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 11: I organized six guys and someone else organized six guys

1222
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 11: and we wanted down to Victoria Park, what law is

1223
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 11: there actually for the police to say, well, you can't

1224
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 11: do that. There isn't one, right, so you know there's

1225
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 11: going to be have to be some wheels in motion.

1226
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Speaker 3: And then also the other thing to consider is that,

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Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, the cops are so busy already trying

1228
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: to protect bad guys, protect us from bad guys. Do

1229
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 3: they really need to protect us from ourselves.

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Speaker 23: They probably don't need to be patrolling local parks trying

1231
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 23: to stop be like lockdown all over again, trying to

1232
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 23: break up sort of little bubbles and gatherings and go.

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00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 23: I think that looks like it run it straight if

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00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 23: you know, it's play again. So yeah, exactly, So I

1235
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 23: don't think the cops need to be worried with it.

1236
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 23: But really it takes even if you take a step

1237
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 23: back and go, what am I doing here? And should

1238
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 23: I be running full tilt at someone I know? Is

1239
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 23: someone I don't know? Probably not?

1240
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Speaker 3: You know, just use your brains, people, Lord it looks rough. Hey,

1241
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 3: what do you make Clay of what Andrew Webster said,

1242
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: which was that we need to take the state of

1243
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: origin out of the middle of the NRL season.

1244
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 11: It's one of those ideas that's great in theory but

1245
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 11: in practice a lot more difficult to put into place. Well,

1246
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 11: because the NRL is a massive commercial beast, right, and

1247
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 11: who controls that commercial beast? It's the broadcast is essentially right,

1248
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 11: the NRL is run by the NRL and the ARL,

1249
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 11: but that they are dictated to by what broadcasters want

1250
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 11: to do. And broadcasters love having a long season and

1251
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 11: they love having state of origin and those two have

1252
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 11: to meld together in a certain way. Now, how do

1253
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 11: you work around that? I mean, I don't know, because

1254
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 11: you have to either extended the set the season, you know,

1255
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 11: the competition, yeah, or find some other way to fit

1256
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 11: these in, but also not have not have the state

1257
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 11: of origin teams mean, the NRAL teams mess out yeah, so, yeah,

1258
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 11: it's not an easy problem to solve.

1259
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 3: Is it even really a problem though, Elliott? I mean,

1260
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: don't we aren't we used to this? We have we

1261
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 3: have the all black players resting on Super rugby games.

1262
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 23: That is a bit, but to an extent, this is

1263
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 23: worse because you're dragging out I think this saw the

1264
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 23: statua was you know, thirty six players state of origin,

1265
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 23: a whole lot of players on buyers last week as well.

1266
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 23: It did weaken the NRL slate last weekend. And you're

1267
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 23: trying to talk up the NRAL and what a great

1268
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 23: competition is. But for six rounds in the middle of

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00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 23: the season, when you're supposed to be having the best

1270
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 23: players coming to their peak of their form, you take

1271
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 23: them out and go and play something else. Yeah, no

1272
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 23: other competition does that. So they need to find a way.

1273
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 23: And look, they're going to expand the in our even further.

1274
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 23: But that may actually be the answer. Is that once

1275
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 23: you get to nineteen teams you had in the pupa

1276
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 23: new Guinea team, the Perth Bears and whoever else you

1277
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 23: can actually go to, everyone plays ever once and then

1278
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 23: because at the moment there's twenty seven rounds that it

1279
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 23: would be say, twenty rounds. You throw in a couple

1280
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 23: of buys, there's your break. That's six weeks that you

1281
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 23: found that the competition can pause for you play if

1282
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 23: your kiwis test against some more Fiji, Tonga whoever else

1283
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 23: might want to play.

1284
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: So you're thinking, logically, sorry, do these guys think.

1285
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 23: Running and run straight at anyone? So no, they don't,

1286
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 23: because again, it's product for the broadcasters. There was still

1287
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 23: five games of nrroll last week. Yes, it was that

1288
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 23: week in quality and the Panthers and the Warriors and

1289
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 23: everyone else lost players, but there were still five games

1290
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 23: that people sat on their couches and watched. And that's

1291
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 23: what the broadcasters want. At the end of the day.

1292
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 3: Where is it going to be okay this week? Aren't

1293
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: they play?

1294
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 21: Well?

1295
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, the Warriors might be okay, but the Warriors are

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Speaker 11: one of the teams that aren't usually that impacted by it.

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Speaker 11: But we were discussing this and you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 11: there's teams that have missed out on the top eight

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Speaker 11: or missed out on top four because of a game

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Speaker 11: or two they might have lost in this period when

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00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 11: they lost players to state of origin. So yell, it

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Speaker 11: was even telling me a story about Wayne Bennett, the

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00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 11: famous coach, said that he believes he's lost he.

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Speaker 23: Was premierships because he hasn't had his best players and

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00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 23: he's been a number of clubs and because he hadn't

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Speaker 23: as best players during the origin period of lost games,

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00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 23: and that's meant they haven't finished his high on the

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00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 23: table and then had to play away from home or

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Speaker 23: a tougher opposition and they haven't won premierships because of it.

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Speaker 23: So it is weakening the competition for another competition entirely.

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Speaker 23: I just do not get it now.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't asking you if the Warriors are going to

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Speaker 3: be okay because of the state of origin, because that

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: would be that would be like you'd be like, who

1315
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 3: are you and what do you not know about rugby league?

1316
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 3: That to g asking this question, I was meaning, other

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 3: Warriors going to be okay? Playing this week? Are they

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: going to win well?

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Speaker 11: I mean, I don't know. The NRL is so unpredictable

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 11: at the moment, it's hard. It's hard to even more

1321
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 11: unpredictable than usual. But you know they're a team that's

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00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 11: playing well, would I like bet on it? No, they're

1323
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 11: playing last week. I'm playing the rabbit O's, who are

1324
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 11: a team that's going. Okay, they they're below them on

1325
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 11: the table. But you know, I just, I mean, certainly

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00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 11: I'm not a big betting man, but if I was,

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00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 11: I don't think I would be throwing NRL or the

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00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 11: Warriors into my weekly multi okay that often? Because I

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00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 11: just it's not.

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Speaker 23: That we have thirty years of the Warriors. Just when

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 23: you I think they're on the up, they tear you

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Speaker 23: right down again.

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Speaker 3: I know, never get your hopes up because they'll dash it.

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Speaker 3: All right, We'll take a break. Come back to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Friday Sports Hurdle with New Zealand Southby's International.

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Speaker 5: Realty, the ones with local and global.

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Speaker 3: Reach back with the sports Hittle Clay and Elliott with me. Clay,

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Speaker 3: here's a good one from Mark. Boxing and MMA is legal,

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01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 3: so you can't ban one without the other. So we

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Speaker 3: if we let people hit each other in the head

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Speaker 3: and kick each other in the head, then why don't

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01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 3: we want them to run at each other?

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Speaker 21: Wow?

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean I get the argument, but I still

1346
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 11: think that like boxing for example, is a more controlled environment.

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01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: Yes, it's risk versus risk and skill right. So with boxing,

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01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 3: at least you've got some skill and you've got something

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01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 3: going on there and then occasionally you get a big

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 3: smash in the head, whereas these guys are guaranteed to

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01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 3: smash in the head frequently and the other thing is

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Speaker 3: a skill.

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Speaker 11: They're not wearing any protection on their heads. And that's

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01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 11: what you think, right, when two big bodies come together,

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01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 11: you think of the injury is going to be when

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01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 11: your head's alied, right, And we see it happen in

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 11: rugby and those kind of sports as an accident. But

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01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 11: this is this is designing the proportion of when it's

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01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 11: going to happen is lightly to be quite high.

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Speaker 23: And you're bracing for contact when you're in the boxing

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Speaker 23: ring or the UFC, and this you were bracing to

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Speaker 23: hit each other. You're not bracing to protect yourself from

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01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 23: the contact. You actually actively seeking this hit against the

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Speaker 23: other person. So and in the boxing UFC have medical

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 23: officials there, form mates down the park running it straight

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01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 23: at each other, they're not going to have the local self.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we need to accept that every

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: sport is somewhere on a continuum of low risk to

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01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 3: high risk.

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Speaker 23: Right If one people have died in that.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is just really high risk and without

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Speaker 3: any real kind of benefit to It's just bizarre. Anyway, Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I need to ask you about Gary Steed, Elliott, what's

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01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: going on?

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Speaker 6: Is he is?

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Speaker 14: He?

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Speaker 3: Is it the end?

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01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 23: It sounds like it's the end for Gary Stead. Now

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 23: we don't exactly know whether he decided it was the

1380
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 23: end or where New Zealand Cricket decided it was the end,

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01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 23: because when he stepped back a couple of months back

1382
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 23: and said, oh, I'm going to take some time out,

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01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 23: I might want to coach the red ball, probably don't

1384
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 23: want to do all the formats anymore. He hasn't spoken since,

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01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 23: we haven't heard from him, but New Zealand Cricket, by

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 23: the sound of it, offered interview to a couple of

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01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 23: applicants today and Gary Stead was not among them. So

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01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 23: that would suggest that Gary Steed's time as Black Caps

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01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 23: coaches over and probably that they want one coach to

1390
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 23: lead all three formats of the game. So that would

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Speaker 23: be the end of Gary Stead, isn't I mean, how

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01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 23: are we going.

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Speaker 3: To remember him, Clay, because he seems to me like

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01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: whichever way you look at him, you can draw your

1395
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 3: own conclusion. He was incredibly successful in terms of what

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: he managed to achieve. But at the same time, jeez,

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01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: there were some rough periods, weren't there.

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Speaker 24: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: I think early on there was perhaps a perception that

1400
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 11: he was piggybacking off what Brenda McCallum and Mike Hessen

1401
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 11: had created and that successful kind of squad that team.

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01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 11: But then the team has dipped a couple of times

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01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 11: since then and then come back and had success again,

1404
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 11: so you can't really argue against that. And as the

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 11: head coach, you know, without being in a sanctum of

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01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 11: the team, he's obviously had a significant contribution to that.

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01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 11: So it is kind of a because the team has

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01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 11: been a bit up and down, it's hard to look back,

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01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 11: but you know, we don't have a lot of resources

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 11: compared to all these other big nations, and he's led

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01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 11: the team to some success. So I mean, he's got

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 11: to be a pretty decent cricket coach. I would have

1413
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 11: thought it's such just.

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Speaker 3: Some remarkable success. Hey, listen, we haven't got very long.

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: I just want to know from you guys really quickly.

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01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 3: What if they're do a carpety decided in the terms

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01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: of the club rugby. If you do anything that's naughty,

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01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 3: you're out right. They're really taking a tough stance. Should

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01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 3: others do the same thing.

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Speaker 23: Absolutely, This should be a blanket thing across the country

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01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 23: if you're going to and it would be one way

1422
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 23: to stamp thing out if there's not gonna be any

1423
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 23: club rugby next weekend because someone acts out, someone has

1424
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 23: a crack at the referee.

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm all for it. The more they can do it,

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01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 3: you know, okay with a bit of lip.

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01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 23: No, it depends where the line is, you know, come on,

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01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 23: reefar kip one side. That's fine, you know which is

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01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 23: what they're just approaching the line, but probably it's on

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01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 23: the right side of it. You've got you got to

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01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 23: draw the line somewhere. Yes, and I think that got

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01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 23: on hold if a carpandy for doing so, and you

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01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 23: know more unied should do it.

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01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose if you're standing there and having to

1435
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: listen to you being a bloody idiot, that's not okay?

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 3: Is it clay in the lounge?

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 11: And also, you know, like these people are volunteers. Like

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 11: if you're a paid professional at a super rugby game,

1439
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 11: say it eat in park you might expect, you know

1440
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 11: where you're glass is rare for or something like this,

1441
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 11: or you know even the odd swear word to do,

1442
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 11: but you know you've been paid to do it. But

1443
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 11: in the amateur ranks, I just think, you know, we

1444
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 11: want to encourage as many people to be involved in

1445
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 11: sport and we need official We.

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01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: Take it very seriously, don't we really take it?

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01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 6: Don't we?

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 11: Absolutely?

1449
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like too seriously. It's just sport, all right, guys.

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01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: It's really lovely to have a pair of you in

1451
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: the studio. Thank you so much. Enjoy your week in

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 3: a sport. That's Elliot Smith and Clay Wilson our sports huddle.

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01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: Seven away from six it's the.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Art

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News Talks eb.

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Speaker 9: Hea.

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Speaker 3: The thing is headgear doesn't help. It's the brain moving

1458
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 3: in the skull, so even with headgear, the impact can

1459
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: be enough to cause concussions. Absolutely bang on and you

1460
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 3: know you're right. They're five away from six. We're going

1461
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: to be talking to Scottsson. Just a reminder Commerce Minister

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01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: and also ac Seminister after six about this business with

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01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 3: the legislator legislating away the fines of the banks just

1464
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 3: been revealed that the police have now launched an investigation

1465
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 3: to try to figure out how many complaints about shoplifting

1466
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: were filed after that memo was sent. So how many

1467
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: of them? You know, when the memo was sent, was

1468
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 3: like anything under five hundred dollars, just file it, don't

1469
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: do anything about it, drives away with the petrol under

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01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty, just file it. They want to

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Speaker 3: figure it. And that was sent in March and we

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01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 3: are now in May. They want to figure out how

1473
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: many times this happened. In the meantime, I hope that

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01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: they actually released that information. We'll talk to Jason Woolf's

1475
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 3: a political edit to wrap the political week. That was

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Speaker 3: when he's with us shortly. Have a chat about that.

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01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: Now someone had to complain, didn't they. They had to

1478
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 3: complain about the Tina from Turner's ad the line and

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 3: you knew they were going to complain about it when

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01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: you heard the line the first time, you got so

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 3: fat the seats don't fit. They've complained about it. There

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01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 3: were two complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority because of

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 3: fat shaming. The first complaint said a significant percentage of

1484
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: kiwis are classified as obese brackets circa forty percent, and

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01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 3: this advertisement is a major offensive slur on fat people,

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01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 3: some of whom are overweight or obese through no fault

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01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 3: of their own due to medical conditions. I have contacted

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: the contact of the marketing manager at Turner's Cars, who

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01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 3: refuted my concerns about fat shaming and the offensiveness it

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01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,440
Speaker 3: would cause to a lot of people myself included second complaint.

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01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 3: I feel like this complaint is to the point I

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 3: feel it is wrong saying something like that the end anyway,

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01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: Needless to say, the ASA, the Advertising Standards Authority, is

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01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 3: not taking that any further, and I am pleased because

1495
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 3: even if it was offensive, and clearly to some people

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 3: it is offensive.

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Speaker 21: Jesus.

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Speaker 3: A good ad, though, isn't it.

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Speaker 16: Have you watched it?

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01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 6: Go and watch it.

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Speaker 17: I think the worst part, Heather is you didn't even

1502
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 17: sing the line. You just said it and it's already

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 17: stuck in my head.

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: How does it go in the song?

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Good try You've got so fat the seats?

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01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:46,400
Speaker 17: Why aren't tell us you're a.

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01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: Sometimes I just send my brother the clip. He doesn't

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01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 3: understand anymore.

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Speaker 6: Why I do it?

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Speaker 3: But it's just because it's so excellent though, isn't it. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: It's got some secks you used to Zibb.

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Speaker 5: If this were man.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy

1515
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: Allen and Mayors, Insurance and Investments, Grow.

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 5: Your wealth, Protect your future newstalksb.

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Speaker 3: Even in. Coming up in the next hour, we'll have

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Speaker 3: a chat to Peter Lewis with news out of Asia,

1519
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 3: will have a chat to Gavin Gray with news out

1520
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 3: of the UK, and then Jason Wools will wrap the

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01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 3: political week that was at seven past six. Now, the

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: government's defending the move to change a law which would

1523
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: protect Ossie Banks from Kiwi customers. On the show yesterday

1524
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: we spoke to Scott Russell. He's a lawyer who's leading

1525
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 3: the class action of one hundred and seventy thousand Kiwis

1526
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 3: against ASB and A and z.

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Speaker 24: Aimed At ASB is saying that generally is under the

1528
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 24: law potentially presents an existential risk to the economy. What

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01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 24: we're saying is that's just simply rubbish. There's no evidence

1530
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:57,640
Speaker 24: of that, and it seems the suspicion is that by

1531
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 24: mending the law it's just National helping out the Australian

1532
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 24: banks in this case.

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Speaker 3: Commo's Commission, Scott's Comma's Commission. Minister scottssoners with me right now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we're calling you, that's Scott, You're

1535
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 3: just a commerce minister.

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Speaker 5: How are you?

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01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 9: I'm all right? Thank you're here the Friday afternoon, lots

1538
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 9: of people heading to the Coromandel.

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Speaker 3: I hope we'll put it down there long weeking. Now,

1540
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 3: why are you siding with the banks against the customers?

1541
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 9: Well, we're not. The banks aren't calling for this, and

1542
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 9: that guy I just heard that replay yesterday's completely wrong.

1543
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 9: The banks aren't calling for this, the bank's self declared,

1544
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 9: and they've already paid out thirty five million to those

1545
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 9: affected customers. Now that's not the point. What we're trying

1546
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 9: to fix here is some bad law to bring it

1547
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 9: into line with actually the existing law. So a little

1548
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,520
Speaker 9: bit of history. Back in twenty fifteen, a strict liability

1549
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 9: offense was created for lenders, and not just banks, for

1550
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,600
Speaker 9: credit unions, for building societies, for car finance dealers, you know,

1551
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 9: all that sort of every kind of lender. The strict

1552
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 9: liability was that if they made any mistake on their

1553
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 9: documentation at all, no matter how minor, no matter how inoffensive,

1554
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 9: or whether it had no impact at all on the lender,

1555
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 9: the courts could only apply a strict penalty, and the

1556
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 9: strict penalty was to refund all the interest and all

1557
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 9: the fees relating to that loan. Now, if you've got

1558
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 9: a twenty five year mortgage, that's a lot of interest

1559
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 9: and a lot of fees over that period of t

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01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 9: Is it not.

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Speaker 3: In the affected period rather than over the life of

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Speaker 3: the whole loan. It's just in that period where the

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 3: information was incorrect.

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01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 9: No, the period that we're trying to fixes between twenty

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01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 9: fifteen and twenty nineteen. So twenty nineteen, the then Labor

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01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 9: government had figured out that that was a bad piece

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Speaker 9: of law with really prescriptive and unintended consequences of a

1568
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 9: magnitude that weren't anticipated when the law was passed in

1569
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 9: twenty fifteen. So they fixed it in twenty nineteen, which

1570
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 9: was a good thing. All we're trying to do with

1571
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 9: this is to bring that period of time between twenty

1572
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 9: fifteen and twenty nineteen. Now, I don't know why Labour

1573
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 9: didn't fix it back to twenty fifteen at the time,

1574
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 9: I suspect that there were no cases live then, so

1575
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 9: they didn't, you know, there was sort of kind of

1576
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 9: no reason. But what the issue is now is that

1577
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 9: acts or omissions, no matter how minor or small, or

1578
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 9: petty or inconsequential to the lender, the courts can only

1579
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 9: give that penalty, which is refunding all interest in all payments.

1580
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 9: So what we're trying to do is give the courts discretion,

1581
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 9: as they currently have for post twenty nineteen cases, to

1582
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 9: come to a fair and equitable judgment. We're letting the

1583
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 9: courts decide that the courts are the right people the

1584
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 9: right place to decide what the appropriate penalty should be,

1585
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 9: and weighing up the all facts.

1586
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 3: So these errors are not altogether petty, though, are they?

1587
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: At least a couple of these errors from A Z

1588
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 3: ANDASB have been reasonably significant in that they have A

1589
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 3: and Z, for example, mislead customers as to how much

1590
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 3: interest they would have to pay.

1591
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 9: That's right. So I'm not a lawyer. I'm not a lawyer,

1592
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 9: and I'm not a judge. That's why I want to

1593
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 9: give the judges the opportunity to assess for themselves what

1594
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 9: the appropriate people.

1595
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 3: I understand something from you, Scott. When the penalty is

1596
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 3: applied and all of the interest has to be refunded,

1597
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 3: is it for the period of the loan where the

1598
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 3: error was happening, let's say from twenty fifteen to twenty sixteen,

1599
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: or is it for the period of the entire loan.

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Speaker 9: My understanding is it's for the period of the entire loan.

1601
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 9: So that is the risk.

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01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 14: Now.

1603
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 9: As I say, I'm not a lawyer, but the advice

1604
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 9: I've had from MB officials who are very concerned about

1605
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 9: this is that we just need to bring the existing law.

1606
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 9: As I say, it was fixed in twenty nineteen, So

1607
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 9: anything that happened after twenty nineteen, the courts can make

1608
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 9: a decision. It's just instances that occurred between that period

1609
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 9: between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen now, so we're just

1610
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 9: trying to bring that period into line with the existing

1611
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 9: law and the ability of courts judges to make decisions

1612
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 9: as they can today.

1613
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: What will it take the possible penalty from and then two,

1614
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: what is the possible penalty at.

1615
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 9: The moment, Well, the only penalty at the moment for

1616
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 9: cases in that period of time is a refund of

1617
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 9: all interesting.

1618
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 3: Yes, I understand it's worth about a few hundred million dollars.

1619
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, there's been some estimates that it could be

1620
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 9: several hundred million up to a billion. And the real

1621
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 9: risk around that is not to the big banks. Actually

1622
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 9: it's to the smaller legs making these estimates. Well, MB

1623
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 9: advisors and you know they have been thinking about this.

1624
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 9: And as I say, this was fixed in twenty nineteen,

1625
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 9: so this is not a new issue.

1626
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 6: And then what does it take it down for a while?

1627
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Speaker 3: So several hundred million up to a billion down.

1628
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 9: To what, Well, that will be a decision for the

1629
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 9: courts to decide. All I'm hoping to do is give

1630
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 9: the courts to discretion. They might decide it could be more,

1631
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,680
Speaker 9: but at the moment, the courts don't have any flexibility.

1632
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 9: They can only impose one penalty. And I think it's

1633
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 9: appropriate and fear that the courts make those decisions, not

1634
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 9: politicians like the court that this is in.

1635
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 3: The legislation for a reason. I mean, the reason that

1636
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 3: the banks have to cough up as much as we

1637
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 3: are telling them in this legislation to cough up is

1638
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 3: because we want to keep them honest, right, because they

1639
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 3: deal with huge amounts of paperwork, and you, as a borrower,

1640
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 3: a MEA's borrow. I don't read all that stuff. So

1641
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 3: it is I rely on the fact that they going

1642
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 3: to be completely honest. Given the fact that these guys

1643
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: make a billion dollars plus every single year, the only

1644
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 3: way to keep them honest is to have really big

1645
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 3: fines and penalties coming at them. That's why it's in

1646
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 3: the legislation, isn't it.

1647
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 9: Well, that was why it was in the original legislation,

1648
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 9: But by twenty nineteen the government of the day had

1649
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 9: figured out that that wasn't enough discretion to give the courts.

1650
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 9: It was too much of a bleak.

1651
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: Literally, why are you saying that something? Why do you

1652
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: need to do the same thing that labour did. Labor

1653
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: may have made a massive mistake here by making life farch.

1654
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 20: Labor fixed it.

1655
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 9: Labor fixed it.

1656
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 3: Gornes of Scott alternative view on it is that labor

1657
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: gave banks a free pass to behavior however they want

1658
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 3: with their information.

1659
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 9: Well, no, because the penalties are still there, but it's

1660
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 9: the courts that will decide the weight and the measure

1661
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 9: of those penalties. I think that's that's where it should

1662
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 9: be done. Let the judges decide.

1663
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: Well, would argue that, I would argue it. I would

1664
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 3: argue that you're tying the judges hands as much as previously.

1665
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 3: You're just tying it in a different way by saying

1666
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 3: that the fees the finds have to be proportionate to

1667
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: the loss. And in some cases these people may say

1668
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 3: there's no loss.

1669
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,560
Speaker 9: Well, if there's no loss, then that's a problem that

1670
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 9: doesn't exist.

1671
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 3: Surely, that no loss where you are not And that

1672
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 3: is where you are wrong, Scott, because in some cases

1673
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 3: there may not be a loss, But there has to

1674
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 3: be a disincentive to the banks, doesn't there There has

1675
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 3: to be a punishment for doing something they know they

1676
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: shouldn't do.

1677
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, I completely agree with you, Heather, and that's why

1678
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 9: I think it should be the courts and the judges

1679
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 9: that make a balanced weight to decision on what that

1680
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 9: should be.

1681
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 3: I've just been told that the fine is actually for

1682
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,600
Speaker 3: the period of the breach, not the whole loan. So

1683
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 3: are you sure about your facts here?

1684
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 9: But the kept period of the breach is until it's corrected.

1685
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,440
Speaker 9: So if it hasn't been corrected.

1686
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 3: I come on, that is a completely different thing. I mean,

1687
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,360
Speaker 3: if the breach has been for eighteen months, that is

1688
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 3: vastly different reimbursing eighteen months worth of fees compared to

1689
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 3: twenty five years worth of mortgage.

1690
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 9: Well, as I say, I'm not a lawyer, but what

1691
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 9: I am so responsible for it? Yes, and that's why

1692
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 9: I want to give the courts the discretion to make

1693
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 9: an assessment that the courts can make based on the

1694
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 9: facts of the case's entered to them.

1695
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 3: You just said to me before, at the very start

1696
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: of this, you said, banks are not calling for this.

1697
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: Have you met have you met with any banks? Have

1698
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 3: you met with a banker's association about this?

1699
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 9: I've met with the Banker's Association and they aren't calling

1700
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 9: for it.

1701
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 3: They, as your predecessor, Andrew Bailey, who actually wrote this

1702
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 3: into the changes, met with the banker's association or the

1703
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: banks about this.

1704
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 9: I can't speak for Andrew.

1705
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 25: I've met with association, but they have I've met with Yes,

1706
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 25: on that, don't you, I mean, come off that Why

1707
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 25: would you people be making this change if it wasn't

1708
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 25: for the fact that the banks wanted it?

1709
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 9: Well, that's well you might think that, Heather, but I

1710
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 9: take the view that the banks are entitled as our

1711
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 9: credit unions, as our building societies, as our vehicle finance companies,

1712
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 9: as are all lenders. I think that they should be

1713
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 9: entitled to a fair and equitable judicial process, and I

1714
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 9: want to give an opportunity for the judges to make

1715
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 9: a decision about how impactful eras and omissions are, what

1716
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 9: the impacts are for lenders, and what the appropriate penalties

1717
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 9: should be.

1718
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: Scott, it's always good to talk to you, and I

1719
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: really appreciate you spending as much time with us as

1720
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 3: you have. Thank you for that, Scott Simson Commus finished.

1721
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 3: The Minister meant to ask him about a sec ran

1722
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 3: out of time text from Jordan as In Jordan Williams

1723
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 3: of the Taxpayers Association BS that the banks aren't calling

1724
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 3: for it. I had an opinion piece published and stuff

1725
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: in within hours. I've got the banks reaching out for

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Speaker 3: me to meet the General counsel. The idea that they

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Speaker 3: aren't donkey deep lobbying is nonsense. On stilts seventeen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalg ZIBBI.

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Speaker 3: Hither I think on this Bank's thing.

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Speaker 5: You are wrong.

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Speaker 3: What Scott is saying makes sense. My husband would agree

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Speaker 3: with you entirely on that. Actually, we've had that debate

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Speaker 3: twenty past six now Jason Wall's News Talk, Zippie Political

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Speaker 3: Letters to Raps the Political Week. That was welcome back, Jason, Oh,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much. Now, okay, have we got to

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Speaker 3: the bottom of what actually happened with that police memo?

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Speaker 3: Was it that the memo was wrong or was it

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Speaker 3: simply that once it became apparent two ministers and the

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Speaker 3: top brass what the memo said, they reversed it.

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Speaker 16: Listen, I think it might be a mix of the two.

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Speaker 16: I mean listening to the various people that have talked

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Speaker 16: about this. I mean Mark the Prime Minister essentially saying,

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Speaker 16: you know, it could have been clearer, and then we

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01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 16: had Mark Mitchell saying something as well. In terms of

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Speaker 16: what actually it was, it's a bit of a mystery

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 16: at this stage, but you can tell that, you know,

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Speaker 16: the pr response went into a bit of overdrive on

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Speaker 16: this one, because obviously Mark Mitchell must have seen this

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01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 16: story and seen with the Prime Minister and thought this

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 16: is not the message that we as a national government

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01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 16: want to be sending on law and order, and so,

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Speaker 16: I mean it just kind of shows sometimes the power

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Speaker 16: of government, how quickly can things can turn around. So

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Speaker 16: the next time someone tells you, oh, it's going to

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Speaker 16: take a couple of weeks to do this because the

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Speaker 16: machinery of government turns slowly, point to this, Heather and say,

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Speaker 16: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: So okay, I find this. See, I just am not

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Speaker 3: at all convinced that I just don't know what to

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01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 3: think about this, Jason, Because it was on the Monday,

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 3: they had a superintendent on the show with us, and

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Speaker 3: this a very senior position, and this person had been

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Speaker 3: given to us by the police media team to basically

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Speaker 3: explain that the memo was right. And then the next

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Speaker 3: day we're being told by people higher up that the

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Speaker 3: memo was wrong. And so I just I feel like

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Speaker 3: the wall is being pulled, don't you think?

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Speaker 16: Well, yeah, I mean the whole time it was confusing here,

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Speaker 16: and I think anybody that was listening has the right

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01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 16: to be a little bit confused as to where this

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01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 16: kind of ended up with.

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Speaker 3: So where I end up on this is in fact

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01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 3: that that memo was correct and that this is what

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Speaker 3: they are doing. But if they have the free Like

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01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 3: if if all the cops, if you call in your

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 3: theft and it's two hundred and fifty dollars and all

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 3: the cops in all clind are sitting around twiddling, somebody

1779
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Speaker 3: will come out. But the rest of the time. This

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Speaker 3: is actually what it's like.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, And I mean, I'm assuming this has been an

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Speaker 16: unwritten rule for some time. It's just somebody actually wrote

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Speaker 16: it down and somebody You've tracked this down via an

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Speaker 16: Official Information Act request and then all hell broke loose.

1785
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Speaker 16: So I think that it's sort of just it came

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Speaker 16: to maybe and again we have to read between the

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Speaker 16: lines here because it's been so wishy washy here. It

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01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 16: was written down and they said, that's not what we

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Speaker 16: actually do. It was written down, but that's not our

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Speaker 16: practice or something around that sort of idea.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think that Winston Peter's ruling out Chippy is

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Speaker 3: more significant than people realize.

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Speaker 16: What do you think, Well, I mean, there is now

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Speaker 16: Winston words matter. Peter's kind of left himself some whibble

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Speaker 16: room here, of course, because he can still go into

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Speaker 16: a coalition or any sort of post government agreement with

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Speaker 16: Labor as long as Chippy is or Chris Hopkins rather

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Speaker 16: is not in charge at the time, and it was

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Speaker 16: you know, and it's always Winston. He just leaves himself.

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Speaker 16: I mean he's a lawyer by practice. He leaves himself

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Speaker 16: this little bit of wiggle room, and it's you know,

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Speaker 16: he's kind of almost forcing a difficult conversation for Labor

1803
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Speaker 16: Party MPs when they get closer to that election date

1804
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Speaker 16: if they get to a point where they can win power,

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Speaker 16: but only if they side with New Zealand first and

1806
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 16: decide to kick the likes of Tipatimarti to the curb

1807
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Speaker 16: and say we're not actually going to work with you.

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Speaker 16: The MPs will be scratching their heads and saying, we'll

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 16: hang on a second. You know, we've got we could

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Speaker 16: get the knives out and be ministers soon. So it's

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Speaker 16: tactical by Winston, I think.

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Speaker 6: I think so.

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Speaker 3: I think it puts a target on Chippy's back. But

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Speaker 3: in order for that, in order for these guys to

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Speaker 3: actually roll Chippy, I think they have to understand that

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01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 3: how much they need New Zealand first time. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure that they realize that yet.

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Speaker 5: Do they.

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Speaker 3: It's well, they talk like that.

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Speaker 16: I mean, it's very much sounds like. And you know,

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Speaker 16: when Winston was in government and national with the opposition,

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Speaker 16: there were some among us that were seeing they'll never

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Speaker 16: work together. Look at the way that they talk to

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Speaker 16: each other. So Winston can bury the hatchet, and I

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Speaker 16: think that an opposition MP wanting to be a minister

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Speaker 16: will move heaven and earth to bury a hatchet as well.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, let's have this conversation again in about a

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Speaker 16: year's time and see where we're sitting.

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Speaker 3: Ah, yeah, fair enough, Hey, Jason, thank you has always

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Speaker 3: appreciated Jason. Wall's political leaders are wrapping the political week

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Speaker 3: that was six twenty.

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Speaker 5: Four, approaching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither due to sellen with the business hour and

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Speaker 1: mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 5: These talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis is going to be us shortly out of

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Speaker 3: Hong Kong, talk us through what's going. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this yesterday, but the

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Speaker 3: US is going to aggressively revoke the visas of Chinese students.

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01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: So we'll yes, this is Trump cracking down, so we'll

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01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 3: have a chat to him about that. Now, just to

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 3: hits up. It looks like the boy Races are going

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01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 3: full of in again this weekend. I don't know if

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01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 3: you realize this, but we are exactly one year from

1845
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 3: the last time they were in Livin and remember what

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01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: happened there. They were throwing the things at the cops,

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 3: and the cops of the riot shields up and they

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Speaker 3: were retreating and it was just an ugly scene. They're

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Speaker 3: going back, but this time the police know exactly what's

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01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 3: going to happen. They prepared for it. Now have you

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01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:21,679
Speaker 3: ever wandered, because I have, Have you ever wandered whether

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01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 3: your credit card scheme is worth it or not? You know,

1853
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 3: like if you have a credit card with air points

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,560
Speaker 3: or True Rewards or something like that, if it's actually like,

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: what's the point of it? Well, Consumer New Zealand has

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Speaker 3: crunched the numbers for us, and they reckon it is

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Speaker 3: worth it if you spend twenty five thousand dollars over

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Speaker 3: two years. So that's what's that like twelve and a

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Speaker 3: half thousand dollars a year. If you're spending that much

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01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 3: on your credit card, and if you pay your card

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Speaker 3: off regularly so that you get no interest whatsoever, then

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01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: your credit card is worth it, because, of course, what

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01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 3: you have to consider is the fees that you're paying

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Speaker 3: to have the credit card in the first place. So

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Speaker 3: at some point, you know, if you're paying one hundred

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01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars fees or whatever it is, at some

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01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 3: point you have to earn more in those rewards in

1868
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 3: order for that to make the thing balance out. So anyway,

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 3: that's too much you have to spend, so you have

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Speaker 3: to be a big old spender on the credit card

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Speaker 3: in order to make it work. And apparently these schemes

1872
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 3: are going to dry up or be scaled back because

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01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 3: there's real pressure on the interchange fees, which is all

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01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,760
Speaker 3: the stuff about surcharging and stuff like that. So with

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Speaker 3: real pressure on the interchange fees, it's going to make

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Speaker 3: it a little bit harder for these guys to be

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Speaker 3: running this. And already this week we've had Kiwibank cut

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Speaker 3: ties with Air New Zealand no more airpoints on that

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01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 3: credit card. To keep an eye out. You might not

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01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 3: even have to worry about this in the future because

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01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 3: those cards just may not be on offer. But if

1882
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 3: you've still got one, spend up large pay it down,

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01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: then it's worth it. Headlines next, whether.

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Speaker 5: It's macro microbe or just playing economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Hender Duplicy, Allen

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Speaker 1: and Mass Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future.

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Speaker 1: Talk's a man you me.

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Speaker 3: I was telling you earlier, Oh Jesus ad a couple

1889
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Speaker 3: of hours ago, even that I'm kind of slightly fascinated,

1890
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Speaker 3: bordering on obsessed with the idea that that Cleary might

1891
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 3: be switching over to Wallaby to play for the Wallabies. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: Tim Horan, who's the one who I was quoting as

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Speaker 3: having said it on the podcast, I've just heard he's

1894
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 3: going to be on Sports Talk in about twenty four

1895
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 3: minutes time to talk Darcy through this theory. So stay

1896
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: tuned and have a listen to that. As twenty oh

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Speaker 3: and by the way, have you seen the video have

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01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 3: you seen the video in Wellington of the guys who's

1899
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 3: ripping into the food that he's delivering. If you haven't,

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Speaker 3: wait and I'm going to explain this to you. And

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Speaker 3: just to take twenty three away from seven right now.

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent with US.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Peter, good evening Happer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the US wants to now aggressively revoke does

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:52,759
Speaker 3: it the visas of the Chinese students.

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Speaker 7: That's right, This is what Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State,

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Speaker 7: is saying. It affects a lot of people. There's about

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Speaker 7: two hundred and eighty thousand Chinese students in the US

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Speaker 7: in the last academic year. It makes up about a

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Speaker 7: quarter of all foreign students there, and it's the second

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Speaker 7: leading country of origin after India. What is quite extraordinary

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Speaker 7: about this sort of memo that's come from the State

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Speaker 7: Department is that it's so blatantly anti China. I mean,

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Speaker 7: if the thing had been fairly neutral in the sense that, look,

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Speaker 7: you know, we want to not have so many students

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01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:34,680
Speaker 7: for whatever reason coming into the US, that would have

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Speaker 7: been maybe fine. But it specifically singles out applications from

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Speaker 7: China and Hong Kong says it sees a lot of

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Speaker 7: these students as infiltrating the US with bad ideas. They

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Speaker 7: could potentially be spies or national security risks. It really

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Speaker 7: is very focused on some very negative perceptions about China,

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Speaker 7: and it's going to have a big impact. I mean,

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Speaker 7: this is you know, US universities are one of the

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Speaker 7: ways in which US projects its soft power around the world.

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Speaker 7: They are a big attraction for students all over the world,

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Speaker 7: help spread US ideas and policies around the world as well.

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Speaker 7: And it has economic impacts because many of these foreign

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Speaker 7: students that go to go to the US graduate, stay on,

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Speaker 7: they become entrepreneurs. They drive innovation and economic leadership, and

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Speaker 7: if the US was to lose that, I think it

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Speaker 7: would be detrimental to the US economy. I mean, look

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Speaker 7: at companies like alphabet for example, the owner of Google,

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Speaker 7: they have an Indian CEO. There are many companies that

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Speaker 7: are set up and driven by some of these students

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Speaker 7: who eventually go on and become entrepreneurs.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of India, how is this going between India and

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Speaker 3: the US on the trade negotiations, Well.

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Speaker 7: It seems to be a little bit stored. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there's been all sorts of talk about neuendrum mody trying

1940
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Speaker 7: to reduce tariffs to get some sort of agreement, but

1941
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Speaker 7: there are certain areas that are very very sensitive that

1942
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Speaker 7: they just can't remove the levies from. And these are

1943
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Speaker 7: things like agricultural commodities like food grains, dairy products, and

1944
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Speaker 7: so on, and it would just be politically impossible for

1945
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Speaker 7: Mody to lower the tariffs on them, so they want

1946
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Speaker 7: to try and ring fence certain sectors and then try

1947
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Speaker 7: and maybe reduce tariffs on other areas. Now I'm afraid

1948
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Speaker 7: this is bad news for New Zealand because I know

1949
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Speaker 7: you'd like to have a trade deal within you as well.

1950
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Speaker 7: But I think if they're not going to offer this

1951
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Speaker 7: to the US, I can't see them offering it to

1952
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Speaker 7: New Zealand either.

1953
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Speaker 3: No, that's a really that is absolutely a fair point

1954
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Speaker 3: I think that you make there. Now, Look what is

1955
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Speaker 3: going on. Is there something that's changing about the way

1956
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Speaker 3: that China is approaching the Pacific Islands or is it

1957
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Speaker 3: just ongoing support that they're offering here.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think they see an opportunity. They see the

1959
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Speaker 7: US as stepping away from a leadership role in all

1960
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Speaker 7: sorts of places around the world and also damaging its

1961
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 7: reputation in all sorts of places around the world. It's

1962
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 7: not being seen anymore as a reliable trade partner, for sure,

1963
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Speaker 7: and it's not even being seen as reliable in various

1964
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Speaker 7: security issues by countries all over the world, both big

1965
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 7: and small. So China sees an opportunity here to really

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Speaker 7: sort of step into the breach and put itself forward

1967
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Speaker 7: as being the reliable partner, the one that you can

1968
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Speaker 7: come to to do trade without any without any sort

1969
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Speaker 7: of tags on it. I mean, one Ye, who's the

1970
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 7: Foreign Minister of China, was saying with the Pacific Island countries,

1971
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 7: they're going to undertake one hundred small but beautiful projects

1972
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,080
Speaker 7: across the Pacific. These are things like addressing climate change,

1973
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 7: providing money for infrastructure initiatives, clean energy, fisheries and so on.

1974
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 7: And I think they do see an opportunity here. You

1975
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 7: remember a couple of years ago they did try to

1976
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 7: get a security agreement with a couple of the Pacific

1977
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 7: Island countries, but that sort of fell apart at the

1978
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 7: last minute. So here they are again looking to boost

1979
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 7: their influence with those nations and using programs like the

1980
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 7: Belton Road Initiative to try and do that. And I

1981
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 7: think the Pacific Islands countries are interested as well in

1982
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Speaker 7: having a closer relationship with China.

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Speaker 3: You can see why. Hey, thank you very much, Peter,

1984
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Speaker 3: appreciate it. We'll talk to you again next week and

1985
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 3: enjoy your weekend. That's Peter Lewis, Asia Business Correspondent, either

1986
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen the video of the food guy

1987
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 3: in Wellington, the food delivery guy in Wellington helping himself

1988
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 3: to the bag yesterday, you've got to go and look

1989
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 3: at this. So basically what happens is the chef, you know,

1990
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: you uber eats ordered or your delivery whatever or debt

1991
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 3: whatever it's called, I don't know, and they bring the

1992
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Speaker 3: food to your door.

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Speaker 25: Right.

1994
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Speaker 3: So the house that he was delivering to had a

1995
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 3: camera above the door filming the whole thing happening. And

1996
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 3: here he comes. He's walking up the stairs brazenly, brazenly

1997
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 3: just reaching into the food bag that he's about to

1998
01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 3: deliver and eating things out of it. And it's not

1999
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,560
Speaker 3: really clear from the camera angle what it is that

2000
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 3: he's eating, but I'm guessing that he's helping himself to

2001
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,479
Speaker 3: the chips in the bag. So he gets up to

2002
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 3: the stairs, he puts the brown paper bag down, sort

2003
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: of adjusts his hat like he's about to knock, and

2004
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 3: like wipes his hands, he gets all the salt off,

2005
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 3: like he's about to knock on the door to let

2006
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Speaker 3: them know that he's there. And then he thinks twice

2007
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 3: and he reaches into the bag and pulls out the drink,

2008
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 3: which looks like some sort of banana milkshake or something,

2009
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,720
Speaker 3: and just starts like sipping on the drink. Anyway, at

2010
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 3: this point, the guy who he's delivering to opens the door,

2011
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: clocks this. This guy is just being busted with the

2012
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 3: drink in his mouth, totally flips him her, totally flips

2013
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:58,519
Speaker 3: out and tries to like high tail it down the stairs,

2014
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 3: but in his rush, he just go He just completely

2015
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 3: ko's and he flies down the stairs, drink going everywhere,

2016
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,720
Speaker 3: gets up, runs away, realizes his left his hat, dashes back,

2017
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 3: grabs his hat and runs off again. Anyway, when I

2018
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 3: saw this, when I saw this on I think it

2019
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:16,560
Speaker 3: might have been you know, Wellington Live, which is the

2020
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:19,839
Speaker 3: thing that everybody in Wellington. It's like the community community

2021
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 3: Facebook page. When I saw it, I thought, nah, this

2022
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 3: can't be real, totally legit. Apparently it's popped up on

2023
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:28,599
Speaker 3: the news websites now they are now running the video

2024
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 3: as well. Now I don't know what you can do

2025
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 3: about because have you not, I mean you if you've

2026
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 3: had food delivered, surely it's crossed your mind at some

2027
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 3: stage that they could be getting their little fingers in

2028
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 3: there it's having a little spring roll, do you know

2029
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 3: what I mean? And so the only thing and you can't, like,

2030
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 3: how can you know unless you've got a camera, Like

2031
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 3: how dumb is this guy? But anyway, the lesson I've

2032
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:52,879
Speaker 3: taken from this is that you need to be careful

2033
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 3: with what you order. So what you want to order

2034
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 3: is you don't want to order anything that can just

2035
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 3: be you know, pilfed without it being obvious that it's

2036
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 3: been taken. So chippies, for example, that feels to me

2037
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 3: like that's right for the plucking right because you could

2038
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 3: he could just put his hand in there, take a

2039
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 3: few chippies, wouldn't know if there were five or six

2040
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 3: or ten gone. So that's the first problem. The second

2041
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 3: problem is don't order a drink because you're also not

2042
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 3: going to know if he's had his grubby little lips

2043
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 3: all over that little straw. God have gone for it

2044
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:20,720
Speaker 3: and it's clearly what's happened. So what you need to

2045
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 3: do is you need to order things where it will

2046
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 3: be a parent that somebody's got into it. So a burger,

2047
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 3: if somebody's had a bite of you burger, you're gonna know.

2048
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 3: Noodles far too difficult to even attempt it, do you

2049
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean? He's going to open the liden

2050
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: and he's gonna have to get his liten, he's gonna

2051
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 3: have to it, and it's just it's too messy. So

2052
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 3: you just want to think about that when you're doing

2053
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 3: your uber eats or whatever you're doing tonight. Try to

2054
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 3: make it pill for free, pill for free. So no chips,

2055
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 3: no drinks, go for the whole things, go for the

2056
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 3: lidded things, go for or just go and look at

2057
01:32:51,240 --> 01:32:53,679
Speaker 3: this video and it will make you think. Twice quarter two.

2058
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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business Hour

2059
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: with Heather duplic Ellen, the Mayor's Insurance and investments, Grow

2060
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:04,360
Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

2061
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 5: These talks eNB.

2062
01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 3: Hey by the way, good news, good news and bad news.

2063
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 3: Auckland War Memorial Museum is reopening in stages from Tuesday,

2064
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 3: because of course it's been shut because of the sbestos,

2065
01:33:16,439 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 3: so what will be open in part trouble is it's

2066
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 3: lost four hundred and fifty thousand dollars in revenue because

2067
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 3: of that, So that's going to hurt a little bit,

2068
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,480
Speaker 3: isn't it. Twelve away from seven Gavin Gray UK correspondent

2069
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,759
Speaker 3: with us. Now, hey, Kevin, hi, there have that seems

2070
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 3: an unlikely guy, this Royal Marine, to have done what

2071
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 3: he did.

2072
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:35,520
Speaker 20: Yeah, extraordinary.

2073
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 26: So a fifty three year old former raw marine, a

2074
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,759
Speaker 26: father of three is to a pair in court probably

2075
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 26: about we reckon another three hours time following the Liverpool

2076
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 26: parade crash.

2077
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 5: So you'll remember, of.

2078
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 20: Course that Liverpool Football club won the Premier League.

2079
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 26: There was a parade and a car plowed into a

2080
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 26: people carrier, plowed into the thousands of those who were

2081
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 26: packed into the streets and somehow managed to circumnavigate the

2082
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 26: road closures that were in place at the time.

2083
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 20: All of that part of an investigation.

2084
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 26: But we do now think the fifty three year old

2085
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 26: who's been convicted on numerous counts is going to appear

2086
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,760
Speaker 26: in court. He faces counts of causing and attempting to

2087
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 26: cause unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent, as

2088
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 26: well as one of dangerous driving and two counts of

2089
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 26: unlawful and malicious wounding with intent. So no mention of

2090
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 26: anything else to do with the terrorism there. That was

2091
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 26: ruled out early on in this investigation. But as you said,

2092
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 26: a great deal of interest into the motive behind what

2093
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,320
Speaker 26: might have led anyone to do this, and we'll hear

2094
01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 26: no doubt a little bit more in court to go

2095
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 26: regards Paul Doyle, who lives.

2096
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 3: Locally, Kevin, how much trouble are you guys in with

2097
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 3: water shortages?

2098
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 5: A lot?

2099
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 26: Apparently, Heather, So, I hadn't realized this, but you know,

2100
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 26: we've obviously got a warming climate climate here in the UK.

2101
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 26: We've got all sorts of water resources issues, the population

2102
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:11,799
Speaker 26: is growing and data centers, a lot of data centers

2103
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 26: in this country now they apparently use a lot of

2104
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 26: water for cooling as well, and yet no major reservoirs

2105
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 26: have been completed in England.

2106
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,639
Speaker 20: Since nineteen ninety two.

2107
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 26: Nine new reservoirs were announced last year, but it's very

2108
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 26: easy for them to get sidetracked or delayed because of

2109
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:31,600
Speaker 26: local objections.

2110
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:33,879
Speaker 20: That can be a vote loser too, so it's sensitive

2111
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 20: for the government.

2112
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 26: And then of course just slashing all the red tape,

2113
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 26: and this government says, right, we are going to make

2114
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:44,600
Speaker 26: the building of two of these of national importance, and

2115
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 26: that severely restricts what people can complain about and also

2116
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 26: gives priority to getting it done and the government say yeah,

2117
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 26: we really need to tackle these things.

2118
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:55,799
Speaker 20: We do need those nine built.

2119
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,800
Speaker 26: That they're not coming on stream until twenty fifty, so

2120
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 26: two of the big ones we want to bring on

2121
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 26: stream within the next five, six, seven years. And they're

2122
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 26: determined to get this done. But yeah, quite a concern.

2123
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 26: One minister actually saying that we could be running short

2124
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 26: of drinking water in England within the decade unless these

2125
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 26: new reservoirs are built.

2126
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 3: Tell you what, Gvin, I thought it was fascinating. The

2127
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,599
Speaker 3: French are going to ban the sagies in outdoor places.

2128
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 3: We kids could because they love the sagies, don't they.

2129
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 26: Yeah, of all the countries that I think around the

2130
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 26: world that I've visited recently, I'm still amazed a number

2131
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 26: of people in France who smoke, and there it is

2132
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 26: almost like a human rights to be able to smoke. Now,

2133
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:39,719
Speaker 26: the French have slowly come into line with other countries

2134
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 26: by banning it in certain places. They're going a step

2135
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,599
Speaker 26: further now on the first of July, where there will

2136
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 26: be a ban on smoking in all outdoor places that

2137
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 26: can be frequented by children, so beaches, parks, public gardens,

2138
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 26: outside schools, at bus stops and sporting venues. This is

2139
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 26: something that's going to be brought in by the Health

2140
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 26: and Family Minister, who said, quote, the freedom to smoke

2141
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 26: must end where the freedom of children to breathe fresh

2142
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 26: air begins. So this is going to be very interesting.

2143
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 26: One place that's going to be exempt though, are the

2144
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 26: outdoor areas of cafes and bars, so called terras. They

2145
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:20,759
Speaker 26: will be exempt from the ban, and anyone who flouts

2146
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 26: the band could be in line for roughly two hundred

2147
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 26: and fifty New Zealand dollar fine. Saying that regular police

2148
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 26: will enforce the ban. But she was a great believer

2149
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 26: in self regulation. Now I think the police are saying, well,

2150
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 26: hang on a minute, we're pretty busy here, so that

2151
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 26: might be a bonus contention. But according to some statistics,

2152
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,600
Speaker 26: seventy five thousand smokers die each year in France of

2153
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 26: tobacco related illnesses.

2154
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Speaker 20: That's thirteen percent of all deaths.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Kevin, appreciate you telling us all about this.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Gray are UK correspondent. Will talk to you in

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Speaker 3: a week eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the hitherto per Se Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio by News Talk zebby.

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Speaker 3: Heather, are about a Tampa free seal on deliveries, Joe

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Speaker 3: look good thinking. I mean solution oriented to try to

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Speaker 3: keep the delivery guys out of your bag of goodies.

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Speaker 3: But I mean that's probably just adding to the cost

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Speaker 3: and we don't need that. Do we just order? Just

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Speaker 3: order smart? Hey, like, order order a pizza. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: see if there's been a pizza missing, do you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? Five away from seven? Now it appears

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Speaker 3: that we have settled finally the matter of whether that

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Speaker 3: cheeky schoolboy rugby try was a try or not. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if you saw this. I just I think

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Speaker 3: because the other day it wasn't that long ago. I

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Speaker 3: was giving schoolboy rugby grief and it turns out these

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Speaker 3: guys are actually doing all kinds of fun things on

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Speaker 3: the park. So it was Marlborough Boys versus Nelson College

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Speaker 3: and Marlborough was awarded a penalty and they put the

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Speaker 3: ball down right in front of the posts, and they

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Speaker 3: got out the tea, put the ball down, lined up

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Speaker 3: to take the kick, and then at the last minute

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Speaker 3: the kicker sort of signaled to his left and then

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Speaker 3: he just shunted the ball just a little crawler to

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Speaker 3: the left of the field over it went over the

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Speaker 3: try line, in comes the lock bang has a try

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Speaker 3: gets it. They beat Nelson Boys College by a margin

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Speaker 3: of two points, right, so they needed that right there,

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Speaker 3: and it was awarded to them because the ref couldn't

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Speaker 3: see a reason why it shouldn't have been awarded. Well,

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Speaker 3: unfortunately it shouldn't have been awarded because Nigel Owens has

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Speaker 3: weighed in on this on Twitter and said the kicker

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Speaker 3: has to make a genuine attempt to kick that goal

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Speaker 3: before the try can be allowed to scat stand and

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Speaker 3: that clearly wasn't a genuine attempted goal. And yes, if

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Speaker 3: you go to look at the World Rugby Law Book,

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Speaker 3: rule eight point two zero says that if the team

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Speaker 3: indicates to the referee the intention to kick a goal,

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Speaker 3: they must kick a goal. But credit to those boys

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Speaker 3: for thinking outside of the square and just trying it

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Speaker 3: on and it worked, didn't it.

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Speaker 17: And ironically though, if they just kicked the penalty, then

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Speaker 17: they still have got the two points they needed to

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Speaker 17: well win the game anyway.

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Speaker 3: No hold on, because they would have got three points.

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Speaker 3: A try gives you five points, consion, there would have

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Speaker 3: been four points. Four points shy, therefore two points in deficit.

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Speaker 3: They would have lost.

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Speaker 17: Oh okay, good thing I'm not the manager of that team.

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Speaker 17: Then coming home by blind Spot to play us out

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Speaker 17: tonight music, Let's get onto something I can talk about,

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Speaker 17: hopefully New zeal And Music Month. It's our last show

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Speaker 17: for newsingel in Music Month because it ends tomorrow. So

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Speaker 17: what did it have to go out with?

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Speaker 3: With us?

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Speaker 17: Some brand new Kiwi music. This is off the new

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Speaker 17: blind Spot EP that just dropped today. It's called Volume three.

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Speaker 17: It's intended to serve as the second half of their

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Speaker 17: third album, Volumes, and the songs called coming Home Brilliant

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Speaker 17: enjoy us.

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Speaker 3: Have a lovely long weekend. Drive safely and we will

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Speaker 3: see you on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen to News

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Speaker 1: Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the

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