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Speaker 2: Hello are you great New Sealisen? Welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number one nineteen for Wednesday, the

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Speaker 2: seventh of May twenty twenty five. Fantastic show. Today. Finally

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Speaker 2: got round to the topic that we've been meaning to

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Speaker 2: get round to for three days. How does it go?

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 2: Because it was Tyler's pit topic he really wanted us

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Speaker 2: to discuss it. Yep, it was on work, drisk codes,

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Speaker 2: three strikes and he's out didn't work two days in

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Speaker 2: a row. Well, actually the other topics worked so well,

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Speaker 2: we didn't get to it. So how does it go?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Did I head a home run or just embarrass

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Speaker 4: my whole family lineage?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Find out and as a result, never get to

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Speaker 2: put forward any content again. Well, well find out?

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Speaker 5: Great show.

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Speaker 2: Zealand I'd give them a taste.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the leak issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 6: Be.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon to you. Welcome and to the show on

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Speaker 4: this Wednesday afternoon. Hope you were doing swimmingly wherever you're

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Speaker 4: listening in the country day, Matt.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing swimmingly. I'm doing fantastically, Tyler. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: tuning in all your great New Zealanders. We've got a

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Speaker 2: great three hours of entertainment coming up for you.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I've got a question for you. Okay, how good

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Speaker 4: are you at backing a trailer?

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Speaker 2: I am pretty good at backing a trailer, but for

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Speaker 2: some reason, I'm terrible at backing a boat trailer without

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Speaker 2: the boat on it right. I need to be able

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Speaker 2: to see some part of the trailer to be able

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Speaker 2: to back it.

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Speaker 5: That is a big thing with backing.

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Speaker 4: But the reason I asked you that in driving into

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Speaker 4: work today and there was a truckee trying to back

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Speaker 4: get into this work site. But oh man, the poor

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Speaker 4: was awful. He was all over the shop, all over

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Speaker 4: There was some frustration from the motorists, and then he

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Speaker 4: tried again and again and again, to the point where

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Speaker 4: the site manager came in and yelled at him. It

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Speaker 4: wasn't in English, obviously, the site manager was screaming at

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Speaker 4: him in a foreign language. And then the motorists started

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Speaker 4: tooting at this guy, and I was just thinking, oh man,

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Speaker 2: I've always sort of good television show would be a

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Speaker 2: group of commentators, you know, dressed up in the Richie beno.

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Speaker 2: So it's sitting on a desk in front of and

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe they're traveling around. They hear someone trying

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Speaker 2: to park. They sit up the desk and they commentate

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Speaker 2: on people trying to park. There's a park just outside

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Speaker 2: you're trying to parallel park, but at the same time

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Speaker 5: That is a massive challenge.

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Speaker 2: Me and a few mates from downstairs, we've spent long

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Speaker 2: and they can feel it. They can feel that the pressure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a question for you just before we go on. Are

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Speaker 2: Good question, because I always assert my right to do

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Speaker 2: If it's in a situation where the car behind you

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Speaker 4: Well, I always try and time that parallel parking so

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Speaker 2: Ah, right, Yeah, I've got automatic parallel parking on my cart.

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Speaker 5: Get out of the car.

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Speaker 4: That leads us to our show today after three o'clock

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Speaker 4: dress codes at work, Starbucks has freaked out about a

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Speaker 4: bunch of its younger employees in the States which changing

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Speaker 4: their dress code rather slightly. I've got to say they

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Speaker 4: want to look more professional, but the younger workers are

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Speaker 4: saying this impacks our freedom to express ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Are we really going to do this topic today, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: We've tried to do it for two days in a row.

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Speaker 2: Are we really going to get to it?

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Speaker 5: I'm always an optimist.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if we don't really, if the other two topics

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Speaker 2: dress codes at work, yep, I want to jettison it.

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Speaker 2: I want to start on this show and you're out.

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Speaker 4: Okay, story doesn't get through three days in a row,

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Speaker 4: afternoons from this day forth, because strike.

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Speaker 2: We must know that it's not as important as some

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Speaker 2: of the other stories have been doing. Okay, what else

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Speaker 4: I've also forgotten I've done it again, Gareth Abden or

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Speaker 4: how could I forget Gareth Abden? Or right at the

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Speaker 4: end of the show, ask the experts series, as we

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Speaker 4: always do on a Wednesday. He is phenomenal. He's an

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Speaker 4: employment lawyer and he's taking your questions. You've got a

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Speaker 4: That's after three point thirty.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Matt, Yes, you have to let people pass before parking.

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Speaker 2: I went to court and as old dude hit the

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, there we go.

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Speaker 2: You have to let people pass well before parking. That's interesting, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Good to go. Yeah, not after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I've been in the wrong for a very long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good thing you didn't get into a

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Speaker 4: prank after two o'clock. The number of key we was

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Speaker 4: thirty four percent increase on twenty thirteen numbers. Former TVNS

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Speaker 4: sports is into Haley Holt very famously one of them.

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Speaker 4: She had a story in the paper a couple of

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, hang on, but it doesn't She's she lived

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Speaker 4: No, sorry, she's renting out the house and Walkworth and

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Speaker 2: Is it unfear me for me to say shame?

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Speaker 5: I mean it seems like a beautiful farm.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course it is unfair to say that.

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Speaker 2: But there is there any shame in moving back in

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Speaker 5: It's a great financial strategy if you're a child.

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Speaker 2: Although I think it could potentially limit their chances of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is always that as well.

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Speaker 4: That's after two o'clock, because right now, let's have a

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Speaker 4: chat about this proposed social media band for under sixteens.

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Speaker 4: National MP Catherine Weed with the Becking and Christopher Luxe

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Speaker 4: media harm. But the big question is, well, one, how

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Speaker 2: with what Catherine we had said. She said, as a

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Speaker 2: we should. And there's been studies that seem to suggest

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Speaker 2: And you know, we'd prefer that they are out, I

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Speaker 2: don't know, build and tree hearts, playing sport, you know,

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Speaker 2: socializing face to face. Although to be fair, when I

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Speaker 2: throwing rocks at things. Yep, so I wasn't necessarily all

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Speaker 5: But it's fun, very fun.

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Speaker 2: But is it even practical? That's the thing? What do

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Speaker 2: government to stop just ban people from social media under

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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen? And what does that mean to

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Speaker 2: those people that have created groups and have connections on

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Speaker 2: social media that struggle to have them outside and what

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Speaker 2: is it? How does the even the identification work because

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Speaker 2: you know, in the Australian model, the social media platforms

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Speaker 2: because legislation has been passed in Australia, the Online Safety Amendment,

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Speaker 2: and social media platforms must take reasonable steps to prevent

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Speaker 2: under sixteens from assessing their services. But the law does

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Speaker 2: not specify exact methods. Platforms are expected to implement some

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Speaker 2: form of age insurance. What if that becomes I mean,

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Speaker 2: in Australia said it has to not be government id

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Speaker 2: because you don't want everyone in the country to have

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Speaker 2: to suddenly prove who they are online, do we?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's it, and that was part of this bill

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Speaker 4: that there would have to be enforced age verification.

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Speaker 5: So how do you do that?

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Speaker 4: Do you use something like the real me platform government

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Speaker 4: platform that is used in some of the other government organizations.

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Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of fishwalks here or I mean,

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Speaker 4: to play Devil's advocate if they were to introduce this

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Speaker 4: Love to hear from you. It is sixteen past one.

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Speaker 4: News Talks THEREB we're talking about the proposed social media

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Speaker 2: Is this true? This is on the slightly different topic

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to picture that as I'm driving along,

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Speaker 5: Would the trailer go right? Yes it would, Yeah, it would.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like going out and just applauding her,

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Speaker 4: Well like this stick. So guys, try being a female

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Does it really matter. I mean, if

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Speaker 4: That right, let's get back to this proposing massively. We're

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Speaker 4: ban under sixteen. It's been proposed, as you will have seen,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So what would actually the verification methods be? Biometrics,

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Speaker 2: Tell you who you don't want it. You don't want

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, nanny state.

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Speaker 2: People can't make decisions for themselves, so government tell us

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Speaker 2: Here's a random idea, how about parents take responsibility for

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Speaker 2: My kid's thirteen to eleven a band from social media,

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Speaker 5: Any fascinating documentary about it.

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Speaker 2: Wit hundred and eighty ten eighty would you support a

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 8: Breakfast and overhaul of the pay equity system. Brook van Velden,

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Speaker 9: The current government doesn't believe that we can genuinely hand

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Speaker 8: As much as I support what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 8: What we're doing currently is wrong. You can't because you

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the proposed social media band for under

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Speaker 11: To you Eric.

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Speaker 2: Is social media problem to under sixteens in New Zealand?

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Speaker 2: Do we have solid evidence of this?

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Speaker 12: The evidence is pretty mixed. So there was a great

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Speaker 12: The evidence is a little more mixed than he has

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Speaker 2: Is there any good in social media for kids under

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Speaker 12: Of course, my children talk to their friends on there

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Speaker 12: coordinate those through social media accounts. If you consider what'sapp

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Speaker 12: can also there are other opportunities that come up. It's

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Speaker 4: You wrote about the illusion of explanatory depth in this article,

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Speaker 12: Sure, So what I was there thinking about was there's

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Speaker 12: this phenomenon where if people are asked to whether they

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Speaker 12: understand something, they'll often say, oh, yeah, sure, I understand it.

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Speaker 12: But then if they're asked, okay, now tell me in

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Speaker 12: detail how this thing works, things often fall apart and

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Speaker 12: then they reassess whether they really understood it. So in

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Speaker 12: this case, I suppose that you thought that the evidence

444
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Speaker 12: rose to the level that the government really should consider this.

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Speaker 12: In that case you need to think about, all right,

446
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Speaker 12: how could they actually implement in practice. Now, what I've

447
00:20:10,653 --> 00:20:13,013
Speaker 12: come to in thinking about it more since I wrote

448
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Speaker 12: that article is that any system that you come to

449
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Speaker 12: that puts the obligation on platforms. To keep kids off

450
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Speaker 12: of the platforms is going to have to fail in

451
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Speaker 12: one of three ways, and you have to pick which

452
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Speaker 12: one you're most comfortable with. So you could set up

453
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Speaker 12: a system that's pretty easy for kids to work around,

454
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Speaker 12: you could set up a system that is really inconvenient

455
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Speaker 12: for adult users or users who are over the age limit.

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Speaker 12: And you could set up a system that means the

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Speaker 12: effective end of online privacy. So a lot of people

458
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Speaker 12: get real value out of having accounts on Twitter or

459
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Speaker 12: elsewhere that aren't really linked to their real name because

460
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Speaker 12: they're not able, they're not in a job that allows

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Speaker 12: them to speak freely. They have a pseudonym. Some people

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Speaker 12: know who they are, most don't. There is some value

463
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Speaker 12: in that. It is hard to design a system, or

464
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Speaker 12: at least I've seen no way of designing a system

465
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Speaker 12: that avoids at least one of those three problems. And

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Speaker 12: I worry that the legislation that's been proposed in New

467
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Speaker 12: Zealand seems to have a mix of all three happening

468
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Speaker 12: at the same time. So the obligation will be on

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Speaker 12: a platform provider to avoid giving accounts to people who

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Speaker 12: are under the age of sixteen. They can rely on

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Speaker 12: government identification as a way of verifying, and if a

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Speaker 12: kid puts up a fake ID, then that's a good

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Speaker 12: defense for the platform, So they are not liable for

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Speaker 12: a two million dollar fine. So what does that mean

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Speaker 12: in practice? Potentially, then if I'm fifteen and I have

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Speaker 12: a sixteen year old classmate, my sixteen year old classmate

477
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Speaker 12: can verify my account for me using their ID. There's

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Speaker 12: no prohibition on that. On the there'll be no penalty

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Speaker 12: for the kid having done that. The platform will have

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Speaker 12: every reason to store identification indefinitely in case they're ever

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Speaker 12: challenged on it. So it's the end of online privacy

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Speaker 12: because all of those could be subpoenaid. And if you

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Speaker 12: want to tighten things up so it's harder for kids

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Speaker 12: to use a friend's ID, you're going to require something

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Speaker 12: that frequently makes them double check their ID. So just

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Speaker 12: reverification to make to make it hard for kids to

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Speaker 12: find the same friend again to get it done again.

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Speaker 12: And that'd be burdensome for adults if it winds up

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Speaker 12: going that way. When people discover that, shock horror, kids

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Speaker 12: have gotten around the system.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean kids are incredibly smart, and I

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Speaker 2: guess the other thing is if they're successfully running a

493
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Speaker 2: you know, so they actually do manage to put these

494
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Speaker 2: systems in place, the main social media ones, the one

495
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Speaker 2: we know, the marquee ones, there's a bunch of underground

496
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Speaker 2: social media and completely unregulated places that they could end up.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that that is a concern that the

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Speaker 2: unforeseen circumstance would be. I'm just picking fore chain out

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Speaker 2: of you know, out of thineasire that that kids end

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Speaker 2: up in the dark recesses because that's the only place

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Speaker 2: they're allowed to be.

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Speaker 12: That's another real risk that the better you are at

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Speaker 12: keeping kids off of a platform that they want to

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Speaker 12: be on because that's where they're able to talk with

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Speaker 12: their friends, the more reason they have to find another

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Speaker 12: place where they can talk with their friends, whether that's

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Speaker 12: in a rollblocks chat group or voice chat in a

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Speaker 12: video game, or a weird foreign site that isn't subject

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Speaker 12: to New Zealand regulation because New Zealand can issue all

510
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Speaker 12: the directors at once, but if somebody's based it oversees

511
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Speaker 12: it and aren't in a jurisdiction that really cares what

512
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Speaker 12: New Zealand thinks, then there's not much to be done

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Speaker 12: about it.

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Speaker 13: So that is yes a risk.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, doctor Crampton, thank you very much for your thoughts

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Speaker 4: and expertise. Really appreciate it and very interesting, Really appreciate

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Speaker 4: your time.

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Speaker 12: No problem at all, thank you.

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Speaker 4: That is doctor Eric Crampton, a chief economist and part

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Speaker 4: of the New Zealand initiative.

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Speaker 2: If it comes down to Pierre, if we go through

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Speaker 2: this and say it's too complicated and maybe it looks

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Speaker 2: like the Australians are finding out a lot of fo shocks,

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Speaker 2: as you say, Tyler, when they're looking into this and

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Speaker 2: we find out that it is very difficult. How as

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Speaker 2: a parent if the responsibility goes back to the parents,

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Speaker 2: how as a parent do you actually keep your kids

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Speaker 2: if you think they should be off social media under sixteen?

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Speaker 2: How do you actually achieve that? One hundred and eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Eighty yep, it is twenty six to two.

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Speaker 6: You talk savvy headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no

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Speaker 6: trouble with a blue bubble. Economists will be scratching their

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Speaker 6: heads today over unbudging employment unemployment figures, I should say.

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Speaker 6: Statsn Z says the unemployment rate stayed unchanged at five

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Speaker 6: point one percent in the three months ending March forecasters

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Speaker 6: had predicted a rise to five point two. Notorious murderer

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Speaker 6: Mark Lundy has walked free from prison after twenty three

538
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Speaker 6: years behind bars. Lundy was twice convicted of murdering his

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Speaker 6: wife Christine and seven year old daughter Amber in their

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Speaker 6: Palmerston North home in two thousand. Polis are investigating a

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Speaker 6: crash that's left a house in Farga Day's Kensington significantly damaged.

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Speaker 6: The car plowed into the Mill Road house late last

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Speaker 6: night and the driver fled the scene. Auckland Transport says

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Speaker 6: it will be working closely with emergency services and operator

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Speaker 6: Richies after a bus crash in South Auckland this morning.

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Speaker 6: Five people were injured too seriously when the bus hit

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Speaker 6: a tree. Government warned it'll be lumped with bigger bill

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Speaker 6: than insurers if disaster strikes. Read more at ends in

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Speaker 6: herall Premium. Now back to Matteathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raylen And we're talking about this

551
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Speaker 4: proposed social media band for under sixteens for parents listing

552
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Speaker 4: out there. If you've tried to control the social media

553
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Speaker 4: use of your children, how do you achieve that? And

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Speaker 4: I was just thinking it must be incredibly difficult as

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Speaker 4: apparent to try and keep up with all the different

556
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Speaker 4: Internet communities that children are a part of these days,

557
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Speaker 4: like Discord. For example, I was massively late to the

558
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Speaker 4: party with Discord, and I still don't really understand it.

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Speaker 4: Taligram's another one, and I'm sure there are half a

560
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Speaker 4: dozen other ones out there I've never heard of. But

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Speaker 4: that is where kids are operating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my kids are all about Discord. And

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Speaker 2: you know, as this texta points out, where does the

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Speaker 2: social media end and where does it begin? For example,

565
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Speaker 2: in Australia where they've brought this band in, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: start to December tweeny twenty five. But they've they've removed

567
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Speaker 2: YouTube from it because they believe that YouTube is educational

568
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Speaker 2: because you can watch educational videos on YouTube. But there's

569
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Speaker 2: educational stuff on Instagram as well. Facebook absolutely stuff. If

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Speaker 2: you're getting any information from TikTok, especially political information, you're

571
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Speaker 2: absolute more on But there is arguably still information on there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're the very fact that they've had to

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Speaker 4: go back and say, okay, yeah, we got it wrong

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Speaker 4: on YouTube. YouTube's okay. You know this particular.

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp's okay because parents text them and there's sports, sports

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Speaker 2: teams chats where kids need to be included so they

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Speaker 2: know where're you know where they're playing. This weekend, Steve says,

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Speaker 2: I hate this key attitude that kids will be kids,

579
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Speaker 2: kids need protection and banning. It is a great idea

580
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Speaker 2: and it can and can easily be achieved. Parents achieve

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Speaker 2: it by growing a spine, stop drinking at the part

582
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Speaker 2: and actually spend more time with your kids. China can

583
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Speaker 2: successfully control kids through their draconian banning, and we can

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Speaker 2: do the same. Bring on the draconian band. Since Steve,

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Speaker 2: there's a few people that are saying this sixteen how

586
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Speaker 2: about a complete social media band for this country? What

587
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Speaker 2: good has it ever done for anyone? Seriously shut it down.

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Speaker 2: That that's extreme attitude that you would completely get rid

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Speaker 2: of social media in New Zealand. But that's that's that's

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Speaker 2: for all North Korea stuff, right.

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Speaker 4: That's very, very fascist, and you get accused of a

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Speaker 4: bit of fascist quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Good luck starting your boutique candle making company and getting

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Speaker 2: it out out to the people. Peter, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 14: Hey guys.

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Speaker 11: With my dollar.

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Speaker 15: When I first built the phone, I had a contract

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Speaker 15: with her because I owned the phone. Therefore I could

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Speaker 15: do whenever she looked at over the course of whatever period,

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Speaker 15: and I'd randomly back up the phone. She wasn't allowed

601
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Speaker 15: to change passwords or the numbers, and I went through

602
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Speaker 15: her social media, and that all changed when she saved

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Speaker 15: up for her own phone. But she worked fine for me,

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Speaker 15: and then there was nothing to hide because.

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Speaker 16: She knew I was more what she was looking at.

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Speaker 15: And we discussed certain websites and certain things that she

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Speaker 15: was looking at, and that's when I had any made

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Speaker 15: issues so far, and it seemed to work.

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Speaker 4: So what even for you, sorry to jump in there, Peter,

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Speaker 4: At what age did she get her own phone? Save

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Speaker 4: up for her own phone?

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Speaker 15: So he and her and her mother and I divorced,

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Speaker 15: so it was a lot easier for both of us

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Speaker 15: to have her own phone. So she was like twelve

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Speaker 15: at that time, right, and so it's just a lot

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Speaker 15: easier me contacting her directly than going to a mother

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Speaker 15: or whenever she was at a mother's house. So those

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Speaker 15: were the wolves, both her and her mother and I

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Speaker 15: had that she wasn't allowing to change passwords. You could

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Speaker 15: ask for the phone at any time, and she had

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Speaker 15: to hand it over without complaining, and they kind of

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Speaker 15: gone away from her trying to hide things from us.

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Speaker 15: You know, we went to her snapchat and and I

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Speaker 15: what's up and all the other little sites and their

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Speaker 15: roadblocks and all that sort of thing. And you saw

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Speaker 15: the comments real time, and you know, and the sites

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Speaker 15: what she's looking up on YouTube, and you know that

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Speaker 15: the history had been wiped. You know, there was in

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Speaker 15: half history. So you can't go into that, but you

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Speaker 15: can kind of sit down and discuss what the why

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Speaker 15: did you clear your history? What was on your history

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Speaker 15: that you cleared.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's something though in parroting where you

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Speaker 2: leave kids do things and make their own mistakes and

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Speaker 2: take risks, and they're taking the risks and the parent

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Speaker 2: giving them the opportunity and the leeway to go out

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Speaker 2: and take risks is actually good for building their independence

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Speaker 2: and making them competent as they become grow into adulthood.

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Speaker 15: Peter, I think one hundred percent. So, And you know,

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Speaker 15: they have to find their own way without unfortunately us

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Speaker 15: we can guide them, but there needs to be on

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Speaker 15: the back of that, there needs to be a consequence

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Speaker 15: of a step out side of the area that you believers, right,

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Speaker 15: and I think there needs to be a discussion along

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Speaker 15: with it. And you know, I'm not a perfect parent,

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Speaker 15: and I don't claim to me, but you know, you're

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Speaker 15: just I used to turn the life there at every night. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: and you know that was my thing. I don't do

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Speaker 15: that much anymore. But I just think that it's it's

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Speaker 15: not up to brown in social media. I think it's

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Speaker 15: really appearance for people that you know, if you're going

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Speaker 15: to dollar a thousand dollars phone, you own that phone.

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Speaker 14: They don't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to carry on, but the phone line is

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Speaker 4: is just breaking up a little bit. I thanks very

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Speaker 4: much for your Your phone.

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Speaker 2: Isn't really working very well. It's easy, says Albert. People

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Speaker 2: under sixteen can only use stupid phones. This bright here

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Speaker 2: idea was sent from a smartphone. That's Albert very good. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: that would be like an interesting idea that you don't

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Speaker 2: bone ban social media. But kids are only allowed a

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Speaker 2: smartphone when they're sixteen, so they have to walk around

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Speaker 2: on a flip phone.

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Speaker 5: Good luck with that.

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Speaker 2: I can see some I'm just trying to think of

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Speaker 2: the problems there.

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Speaker 4: Snake is only entertaining for so long, you know, they

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Speaker 4: think of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not about so if you think that you

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Speaker 2: need to get hold of them for whatever reason, I'll

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Speaker 2: just think about that. So what you have police for

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Speaker 2: skiing kids and seeing what kind of phone they were

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Speaker 2: in the opening up and going that's.

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Speaker 5: Noki three three ten, Yep, that's all right, you're three now.

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Speaker 4: This is an iPhone for yeah, a motor roll zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is quarter to two, beefy.

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Speaker 1: Surely the big stories, the big issues, the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: news talks, they'd.

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Speaker 4: Be thirteen to one. Chris, Welcome to the show. What's

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Speaker 4: your thoughts?

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Speaker 11: Good afternoon. I may recognize friend as a computer expert

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Speaker 11: and twenty five years in the investigative space to do

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Speaker 11: with technology in twenty years before that. In regards to

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Speaker 11: standing investigations, I'm a firm believer that technology is an unaghbler,

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Speaker 11: not the reason. So I've been involved with doing investigations

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Speaker 11: around schools and there's simple things like girls a boy

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Speaker 11: saying show us your boobies, and the girls take a

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Speaker 11: photograph using whatever platform, and then seeing to them we've

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Speaker 11: got in school bullying using phones we got people who

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Speaker 11: are having been international, they have a plan to engage

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Speaker 11: sixteen years in below because what they want to do

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Speaker 11: is they want to get via details to then scam

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Speaker 11: and to have identity fit. So a solution is not

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Speaker 11: just legislation, it's in a neighbor because we have failed

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Speaker 11: as parental or adults or whatever we want to use

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Speaker 11: to demonstrate to today's use the consequences of what they do.

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Speaker 11: And it's because we haven't given that example. And you've

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Speaker 11: had called us that talk about people going to the

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Speaker 11: pub or doing whatever they're doing. The challenge there is

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Speaker 11: the kids aren't learning the consequences if I take a

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Speaker 11: photo of me, or I look at this, or the

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Speaker 11: data that's going to steal off my phone. All of

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Speaker 11: that is real. For those of the people that are

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Speaker 11: out there that don't believe data has been stolen by

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Speaker 11: your phone by going to a gaming app, data is

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Speaker 11: being stolen by sitting in the park on a public

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Speaker 11: Wi Fi, they are delusional. It's all real.

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Speaker 2: So what would you say? What would you say? What

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Speaker 2: would be the best way? How could we get that

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Speaker 2: message through the kids? Does that need to be something

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Speaker 2: that's just through because it's all new ground for us, now,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean it's not very old. Well, so

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Speaker 2: it turned out, so do we need to There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff we drill into kids in terms of

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Speaker 2: danger and stranger dangers one that springs to mind. So

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Speaker 2: do we just need from an early age to go look?

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Speaker 2: Phones are an incredibly powerful tool, but you need to

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Speaker 2: know that your information is being mined and these are

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Speaker 2: the things to look out for.

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Speaker 11: Yes, I agree with you. It's an education thing in showing,

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Speaker 11: but it's an education by all levels. So I mentioned

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Speaker 11: that I've done using schools, and there's couple of reports

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Speaker 11: out there that I've written. One school that I went

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Speaker 11: to is we found that they were putting things like

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Speaker 11: the reproduction cycle of a frog as the search term

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Speaker 11: and Google. Guess what sort of results they got. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: as soon as they saw that word sex or reproduction,

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Speaker 11: that was a problem. So what that interview did is

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Speaker 11: they joined other international schools by having what they call

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Speaker 11: the whitelist or the blacklist. So this is schools globally

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Speaker 11: when they get hit with a with a URL or

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Speaker 11: we've addressed that is something that's not nice, they reach

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Speaker 11: just that URL with a central database so therefore subscriptions,

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Speaker 11: if anybody then went to that, it would then instantly

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Speaker 11: be blocked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is fascinating and scary as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah what I mean that sounds like a potential possibility

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Speaker 2: when you're in school, but as all those that you

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Speaker 2: need that kind of software at home as well and

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Speaker 2: on the phone and elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Chris. It is ten to two.

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Speaker 4: Will be back very shortly and we're gonna have a

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Speaker 4: chat to David Seymour about his thoughts on this. You're

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Speaker 4: listening to Matt and Tyler Good Afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons

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Speaker 1: News Talks the Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Well, the eight Party is not convinced a ban on

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Speaker 4: social media for under sixteen will work or is the

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Speaker 4: right way to go act Party leader David Seymour joins

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Speaker 4: us on the show. David Good Afternoon, Good afternoon.

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Speaker 2: So you've said for every problem there is a solution

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Speaker 2: that is simple, neat and wrong. Do you see this

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Speaker 2: in this potential social media band from under sixteenth?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I do. It's one of those times when I think

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Speaker 18: we just need to take a step back. Yes, social

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Speaker 18: media is a real problem. There's a lot of bullying

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Speaker 18: online that being online brings up the worst in people

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Speaker 18: when they interact with each other. There's grotesque content, be

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Speaker 18: it sexual or violent or whatever. And there's also I

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Speaker 18: think an incentive for social media companies to make their

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Speaker 18: algorithms addictive. And there's a lot of literature you read

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Speaker 18: Jonathan Hate You, Johann Hari, the people who really think

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Speaker 18: about this stuff to say it's disturbing the way that

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Speaker 18: kid's minds evolve. All of that's true, but just putting

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Speaker 18: together a band slap dash in the middle of a

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Speaker 18: week of Parliament and saying this is your solution, it's

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Speaker 18: hard to believe that a solution that's simple can actually

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Speaker 18: solve a problem this complex. And here's just one reason

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Speaker 18: why you're not actually banning kids from the Internet. You're

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Speaker 18: banning kids from social media companies. And there's still a

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Speaker 18: million other places on the Internet that can have those

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Speaker 18: three problems that I described. And actually, you know, if anything,

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Speaker 18: while social media companies are banned in some ways at

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Speaker 18: least a relatively controlled environment compared with where they can

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Speaker 18: end up in the dark web.

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Speaker 2: How important is online anonymity for free speech because anything

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Speaker 2: that involves prove your age could risk that anonymity.

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Speaker 18: Well, that's another thing. I mean, if you look at

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Speaker 18: this ban and actual facts, it's really a requirement on

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Speaker 18: adults to prove their identity before logging in. And you

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Speaker 18: think about, you know, how we're trying to reduce bureaucracy.

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Speaker 18: It doesn't seem very sensible. But look, here's what I say.

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Speaker 18: We shouldn't say it's all too hard to wash our

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Speaker 18: hands of it. We should use the parliament we're paying for, say, look,

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Speaker 18: you know, take it to a select committee. Have the

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Speaker 18: social media company come and put their side of the story.

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Speaker 17: Have people like.

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Speaker 18: Jonathan hs and Johann Hari World Exports, zoom in, or

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Speaker 18: maybe even come here. Hear from your local school principle

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Speaker 18: about what works, look at some of the technologies that

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Speaker 18: some parents are using to monitor and control their own

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Speaker 18: kids social media use. By the end of that process,

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Speaker 18: we might find that together as a country, we can

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Speaker 18: have a much smarter solution to this problem than slapping

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Speaker 18: on a band. And if it means we're six months

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Speaker 18: behind Australia, who are already having lots of trouble with

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Speaker 18: their approach then, so yet I would rather judge when

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Speaker 18: we finish with a good result rather than when we

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Speaker 18: start off on the road to getting a bad one.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's realistic to just say, look, parents,

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Speaker 2: you sort it out your kids. If you think it's

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Speaker 2: a problem, then spend resources on solving the problem.

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Speaker 7: No, I don't.

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Speaker 18: I think our society all together, business, parents and the

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Speaker 18: government all have a role to play, just like I

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Speaker 18: say that they all have a role to play when

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Speaker 18: it comes to school of attendance. So the community owns

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Speaker 18: these problems because we get the impacts when they go wrong. However,

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Speaker 18: I also believe that we've got to start being a

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Speaker 18: little bit realistic about the fact that the government alone

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Speaker 18: cannot do the job of business and community just by

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Speaker 18: slapping on a band. If solving our problems was that simple,

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Speaker 18: we wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Have any David, thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 4: really appreciate it. That is at Party leader David seymore

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Speaker 4: so the social media ban. The proposal is in the

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Speaker 4: biscuit tin, and if it gets pulled out of that

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Speaker 4: biscuit tin, I'm sure we'll chat more about that.

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Speaker 5: But thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Everyone who called and text on that topic are really

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Speaker 4: good discussion.

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Speaker 5: It is three minutes to two.

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Speaker 4: Great to have your company has always new sport and

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Speaker 4: weather on its way. We'll catch you back here after that.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 4: They'd be very good afternoons here. Welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 4: Great to have your company as always. Lead's chat about

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Speaker 4: adult children living at home. The number of kiwi's living

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Speaker 4: with their parents into adulthood is on the rise. So

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Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty three census, more than two hundredenty

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Speaker 4: twenty to thirty four year olds reported living with their parents.

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Speaker 4: That was a thirty four percent increase on twenty thirteen. Jesus, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean some people may say that. Traditionally, if you're

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Speaker 4: thirty four and still living with your parents, then people

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Speaker 4: may say, hey, what have you done well?

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Speaker 2: So two hundred thousand people twenty to thirty four, As

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Speaker 2: you say, so, that's a thirty four percent rise since

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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. Now I don't actually mean loser. And in

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Speaker 2: this article talks about TV present to Haley Holt, she's

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Speaker 2: among those people she's moved in with the parents due

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Speaker 2: to financial pressures. Looks like she's moved in with her partner,

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Speaker 2: so that's more than one. Sounds like they've got a

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Speaker 2: place big enough for that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, lovely farm that her parents own, or his parents.

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Speaker 4: But it is increasingly common, and I've got to say

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Speaker 4: it is a financial strategy if your parents feel okay

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Speaker 4: with it, because if you can go and live with

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Speaker 4: the parents, it's happy families. It's like a nineteen fifties

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Speaker 4: TV sitcom and you don't have to pay rent. Then

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Speaker 4: that to win win, isn't it. I mean you were

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Speaker 4: saying before you would love your children to come back

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Speaker 4: at some stage and live with you. I would.

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Speaker 2: But would you and your partner go and moving with

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Speaker 2: your parents if things go out? If I get my

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Speaker 2: way and you get fired from the show and you

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Speaker 2: don't have a job, would you move back in with

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Speaker 2: would you move in with her parents?

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Speaker 4: Well, my mum would love it for about a month

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Speaker 4: before she'd say right time to move on, Tyler. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's been nice even year here, and I say that

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Speaker 4: with a lot of love. Mum just loves her own

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Speaker 4: house and fair enough.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, Mave's parents.

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Speaker 4: I think they would be okay with probably about the

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Speaker 4: same level of time, about a month to two. They've

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00:41:57,573 --> 00:42:00,333
Speaker 4: just both happily retired and are very much enjoying the

872
00:42:00,373 --> 00:42:04,333
Speaker 4: retirement lifestyle. And I think for Maye's dad, Pete Pete.

873
00:42:04,333 --> 00:42:06,253
Speaker 4: If I'm wrong, give us a teach nineteen nine two,

874
00:42:06,253 --> 00:42:08,053
Speaker 4: but I think he's enjoying having the kids out of

875
00:42:08,093 --> 00:42:08,293
Speaker 4: the house.

876
00:42:08,533 --> 00:42:11,453
Speaker 2: I think it's important for kids going out into the world,

877
00:42:11,493 --> 00:42:13,573
Speaker 2: so twenty to thirty four, you know, you just say

878
00:42:13,693 --> 00:42:15,893
Speaker 2: at the lower end of that, in your twenties, it's

879
00:42:15,893 --> 00:42:19,253
Speaker 2: important that kids know that they've got a backstop. If

880
00:42:19,253 --> 00:42:21,373
Speaker 2: you're a parent and you're lucky enough to give them

881
00:42:21,573 --> 00:42:23,853
Speaker 2: a safety net that if things go wrong they can

882
00:42:23,853 --> 00:42:26,893
Speaker 2: always come home, then they're going to maybe take the

883
00:42:26,973 --> 00:42:29,732
Speaker 2: risks that they need in life to achieve a lot.

884
00:42:29,853 --> 00:42:30,933
Speaker 5: That is a very good point.

885
00:42:31,213 --> 00:42:32,693
Speaker 2: So I think that's a good thing to do to

886
00:42:32,733 --> 00:42:35,853
Speaker 2: your parents, to your kids, say look, you can stay here.

887
00:42:36,053 --> 00:42:38,533
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if they're saving up for a

888
00:42:38,573 --> 00:42:41,533
Speaker 2: house as well. I mean a whole lot of people

889
00:42:41,573 --> 00:42:44,053
Speaker 2: do that, a lot of people moving with their parents

890
00:42:44,053 --> 00:42:47,413
Speaker 2: when they're doing a renovation. And I know people that

891
00:42:47,453 --> 00:42:50,413
Speaker 2: have ended up in terrible situations living with their parents,

892
00:42:51,133 --> 00:42:53,653
Speaker 2: and it takes a while to get over the situation.

893
00:42:54,173 --> 00:42:58,013
Speaker 2: But personally, despite what I was saying before, I love

894
00:42:58,053 --> 00:43:00,652
Speaker 2: the idea of my kids coming back to live with me.

895
00:43:01,133 --> 00:43:03,773
Speaker 2: I mean, my eldest has just moved out, and I

896
00:43:03,813 --> 00:43:06,093
Speaker 2: don't know how I feel about it, But if he

897
00:43:06,173 --> 00:43:08,692
Speaker 2: wanted to move back in because he needed to, I'd

898
00:43:08,733 --> 00:43:10,293
Speaker 2: be like, hell yeah. In fact, I've said to him,

899
00:43:10,333 --> 00:43:11,652
Speaker 2: that room is sitting up there for you.

900
00:43:11,813 --> 00:43:12,053
Speaker 11: Yep.

901
00:43:12,173 --> 00:43:14,493
Speaker 2: I'm not going to turn it into an extra officer

902
00:43:14,533 --> 00:43:16,733
Speaker 2: or a spare room. That room is waiting for you

903
00:43:16,773 --> 00:43:19,533
Speaker 2: whenever you want, you know, get someone pregnant, come home,

904
00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:20,813
Speaker 2: move the whole family in there.

905
00:43:20,853 --> 00:43:23,053
Speaker 4: So it's a beautiful thing and that, you know, that's

906
00:43:23,653 --> 00:43:25,333
Speaker 4: nice that he's got that in case he does get

907
00:43:25,333 --> 00:43:27,573
Speaker 4: someone pregnant. But I mean, I could see you as

908
00:43:27,693 --> 00:43:30,252
Speaker 4: it's all almost like a Yellowstone situation. You've talked about

909
00:43:30,293 --> 00:43:33,373
Speaker 4: buying a nice bit of farmland down in Cambridge, and

910
00:43:33,413 --> 00:43:36,373
Speaker 4: then you've got generations of heaths just living in the

911
00:43:36,413 --> 00:43:37,493
Speaker 4: same little plot of land.

912
00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:40,413
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that this seems weird is a

913
00:43:40,653 --> 00:43:43,253
Speaker 2: very change into modern humanity. I mean, I think for

914
00:43:43,613 --> 00:43:46,413
Speaker 2: all of history, we've lived as family groups and it

915
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:48,732
Speaker 2: kind of makes absolute sense. I mean the other way

916
00:43:48,773 --> 00:43:51,453
Speaker 2: as parents moving in with kids. Yeah, I mean e

917
00:43:51,493 --> 00:43:53,093
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Are your parents that

918
00:43:53,093 --> 00:43:55,533
Speaker 2: have moved back in with your kids or you kids

919
00:43:55,533 --> 00:43:56,813
Speaker 2: that have moved back in your parents. We want to

920
00:43:56,853 --> 00:43:58,652
Speaker 2: hear both sides of that, but it seems to make

921
00:43:58,653 --> 00:44:00,853
Speaker 2: a lot of sense to me that the grandparents look

922
00:44:00,893 --> 00:44:04,253
Speaker 2: after the kids while the parents are out working.

923
00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:08,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a point I didn't raise before with maarents.

924
00:44:09,013 --> 00:44:11,893
Speaker 4: So a couple of her sisters lived with Maid's parents

925
00:44:11,893 --> 00:44:14,133
Speaker 4: for some time because they were making the shift over

926
00:44:14,173 --> 00:44:15,893
Speaker 4: to Australia. So that's fair enough. They were there for

927
00:44:15,893 --> 00:44:19,733
Speaker 4: a couple of months. But one thing her mum really

928
00:44:20,813 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 4: can't handle very well is her first grandchild lives in Australia.

929
00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:28,413
Speaker 4: So I'm sure she would dearly love the older daughter

930
00:44:28,773 --> 00:44:31,212
Speaker 4: and her husband to be and the child to live

931
00:44:31,253 --> 00:44:34,293
Speaker 4: with them because she deeply misses spending time with the

932
00:44:34,333 --> 00:44:36,573
Speaker 4: grandchild over in Australia. So can you hear from you

933
00:44:36,613 --> 00:44:38,653
Speaker 4: on this one? I had one hundred eighty ten eighty.

934
00:44:38,653 --> 00:44:40,652
Speaker 4: They used to call it boomerang kids where they go

935
00:44:40,693 --> 00:44:42,333
Speaker 4: away for a bit, then they come back and live

936
00:44:42,373 --> 00:44:44,772
Speaker 4: for a period of time, then go away and come back.

937
00:44:44,853 --> 00:44:48,053
Speaker 4: Are you into the boomerang children? If they are your children?

938
00:44:48,373 --> 00:44:50,172
Speaker 4: Do you love it when they come back? Is there

939
00:44:50,293 --> 00:44:51,853
Speaker 4: kind of a time period when you want them to

940
00:44:51,893 --> 00:44:53,893
Speaker 4: go out and go and live by themselves again?

941
00:44:54,213 --> 00:44:55,373
Speaker 5: On eighty ten eighty and.

942
00:44:55,413 --> 00:44:58,253
Speaker 2: I want to hear stories of it going wrong. Yeah,

943
00:44:58,373 --> 00:45:00,013
Speaker 2: I really want to hear stories of it going wrong.

944
00:45:00,093 --> 00:45:02,173
Speaker 2: The Stexa says, I agree with Matt. Anyone over twenty

945
00:45:02,173 --> 00:45:05,973
Speaker 2: one living with their parents is a total loser. How lame? Yeah,

946
00:45:05,973 --> 00:45:09,093
Speaker 2: but you see text. I was joking and you're serious,

947
00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:10,533
Speaker 2: So that makes you a bad person.

948
00:45:11,733 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 5: He treat you there.

949
00:45:12,733 --> 00:45:16,373
Speaker 4: It is eleven past two.

950
00:45:16,293 --> 00:45:20,893
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call.

951
00:45:21,053 --> 00:45:23,893
Speaker 1: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty you talk, said.

952
00:45:23,613 --> 00:45:23,693
Speaker 7: Be.

953
00:45:26,133 --> 00:45:29,093
Speaker 4: Good afternoon. We're talking about adult children moving back and

954
00:45:29,133 --> 00:45:30,733
Speaker 4: with the appearance. If that's you, we want to hear

955
00:45:30,773 --> 00:45:32,293
Speaker 4: from you. Oh, eight hundred and eighty t and eighty.

956
00:45:32,333 --> 00:45:35,213
Speaker 4: And if you're a parent who has been in the

957
00:45:35,253 --> 00:45:37,293
Speaker 4: situation where your adult children have come home, did you

958
00:45:37,293 --> 00:45:37,533
Speaker 4: love it?

959
00:45:37,573 --> 00:45:38,053
Speaker 5: Did you hate it?

960
00:45:38,133 --> 00:45:41,573
Speaker 2: I just had a moment and I've got an Apple

961
00:45:41,573 --> 00:45:44,373
Speaker 2: Watch as well. But you know when I was going up,

962
00:45:44,453 --> 00:45:47,253
Speaker 2: the future was people answering phone calls on their phone

963
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:50,533
Speaker 2: and Heather Duplessy Allen was just in the studio with us.

964
00:45:50,533 --> 00:45:52,213
Speaker 2: We're having a bit of a gossip about some stuff,

965
00:45:52,453 --> 00:45:53,973
Speaker 2: and then a phone call comes through and she just

966
00:45:54,013 --> 00:45:55,053
Speaker 2: answers it on her phone.

967
00:45:55,093 --> 00:45:56,373
Speaker 5: It was like the Jetsums, wasn't it.

968
00:45:56,373 --> 00:45:58,093
Speaker 2: It was like the Osborne Book of the Future. People

969
00:45:58,173 --> 00:46:01,453
Speaker 2: might remember that gen X's remember the Osborne Book of

970
00:46:01,493 --> 00:46:02,973
Speaker 2: the Future. But it just felt so cool that you

971
00:46:03,013 --> 00:46:05,613
Speaker 2: just answered it was quite a b on a very

972
00:46:05,613 --> 00:46:10,533
Speaker 2: smooth Yeah, it was very cool. You were out at eighteen,

973
00:46:10,573 --> 00:46:11,652
Speaker 2: but you're back at twenty eight.

974
00:46:12,973 --> 00:46:15,252
Speaker 19: Yeah, get a guys, I was you use the term

975
00:46:15,253 --> 00:46:17,652
Speaker 19: boomerang before? I'm like, if you threw a boomerang and

976
00:46:17,653 --> 00:46:20,453
Speaker 19: then it broke on return because since I've moved back

977
00:46:20,453 --> 00:46:23,093
Speaker 19: in at twenty eight, I realized my parents have avocados.

978
00:46:23,093 --> 00:46:24,613
Speaker 7: Have you heard of avocados? If it had them in

979
00:46:24,613 --> 00:46:26,373
Speaker 7: a decade, it's amazing, great thing.

980
00:46:26,653 --> 00:46:27,813
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember those things.

981
00:46:27,893 --> 00:46:30,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how many avocados have They got a lot

982
00:46:31,013 --> 00:46:31,773
Speaker 2: of avocados.

983
00:46:33,093 --> 00:46:34,573
Speaker 19: Oh well, she'll pick them up on the side of

984
00:46:34,613 --> 00:46:36,773
Speaker 19: the road, you know, when she sees them on sale.

985
00:46:36,773 --> 00:46:39,773
Speaker 19: But even I'm not affording that. I'm a financially irresponsible

986
00:46:40,333 --> 00:46:42,093
Speaker 19: person in my late twenties as well. I've kind of

987
00:46:42,093 --> 00:46:46,053
Speaker 19: spended all my money the last decade funding a hobby

988
00:46:46,093 --> 00:46:46,413
Speaker 19: of mine.

989
00:46:46,573 --> 00:46:48,053
Speaker 2: What's it? What's the hobby, Sean?

990
00:46:49,493 --> 00:46:50,293
Speaker 4: The hobby is.

991
00:46:51,173 --> 00:46:54,212
Speaker 19: Working towards a sub pass stand up comedy show that's

992
00:46:54,213 --> 00:46:56,453
Speaker 19: in the New Zealand Comedy Festival the next four.

993
00:46:56,413 --> 00:46:57,973
Speaker 7: Nights, and no one's buying tickets.

994
00:46:57,973 --> 00:46:59,453
Speaker 19: So I'll be honest with you, I am calling your

995
00:46:59,493 --> 00:47:02,093
Speaker 19: show to subtly promote this comedy show tonight at the

996
00:47:02,213 --> 00:47:02,652
Speaker 19: Q Theater.

997
00:47:02,773 --> 00:47:03,893
Speaker 7: Seller this is brilliant.

998
00:47:03,973 --> 00:47:07,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you are living at home with your parents.

999
00:47:07,013 --> 00:47:08,093
Speaker 2: That it's true as well.

1000
00:47:09,093 --> 00:47:12,893
Speaker 7: Oh that part is absolutely true. But okay they's been embarrassing.

1001
00:47:13,293 --> 00:47:15,292
Speaker 2: Well then then it fits and that's fine. Just quickly

1002
00:47:15,373 --> 00:47:16,853
Speaker 2: before we can continue plug the show.

1003
00:47:18,333 --> 00:47:21,053
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, nine point thirty tonight tomorrow night Friday Saturday

1004
00:47:21,093 --> 00:47:24,093
Speaker 19: at the cellar Q Theater in Auckland.

1005
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:25,933
Speaker 7: It's called Digital I My a DJ Sir shorn Hill

1006
00:47:25,973 --> 00:47:26,493
Speaker 7: comedy on.

1007
00:47:26,453 --> 00:47:29,253
Speaker 2: Google Company and is a good Are you good to?

1008
00:47:29,813 --> 00:47:30,293
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1009
00:47:30,453 --> 00:47:33,333
Speaker 19: It's mostly about me eating my parents avocados. To be honest,

1010
00:47:33,573 --> 00:47:35,173
Speaker 19: you've got most of the content right there, Matt, So

1011
00:47:35,253 --> 00:47:37,493
Speaker 19: you it's not worth you coming probably or anyone listening now,

1012
00:47:37,533 --> 00:47:38,493
Speaker 19: But tell your friends.

1013
00:47:38,253 --> 00:47:41,413
Speaker 4: A lot of avocado. That's good, so, Sean, a lot

1014
00:47:41,413 --> 00:47:42,013
Speaker 4: of avocado.

1015
00:47:42,333 --> 00:47:45,013
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't be able to follow your dream of comedy,

1016
00:47:45,373 --> 00:47:48,093
Speaker 2: of becoming a comedy comedian if you didn't move in

1017
00:47:48,173 --> 00:47:50,693
Speaker 2: with your parents. And do you think it's realistic? Do

1018
00:47:50,733 --> 00:47:53,172
Speaker 2: you think stand up comedy is going to one day

1019
00:47:53,253 --> 00:47:55,093
Speaker 2: get you out of your parents' house?

1020
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:59,093
Speaker 7: Oh? That is yet to be seen.

1021
00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:02,613
Speaker 19: I definitely think I couldn't pursue it without the help

1022
00:48:02,693 --> 00:48:04,533
Speaker 19: of my parents and being able to move back into

1023
00:48:04,613 --> 00:48:05,853
Speaker 19: my childhood bedroom.

1024
00:48:06,053 --> 00:48:06,573
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1025
00:48:06,613 --> 00:48:08,373
Speaker 2: And do they keep your bedroom the same as it

1026
00:48:08,533 --> 00:48:10,333
Speaker 2: was when you were a child, when you were eighteen?

1027
00:48:11,413 --> 00:48:11,573
Speaker 20: Oh?

1028
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:14,173
Speaker 19: I know it's now also a gym slash offers that

1029
00:48:14,453 --> 00:48:15,693
Speaker 19: brings in there that I don't want to ask too

1030
00:48:15,773 --> 00:48:16,133
Speaker 19: much about.

1031
00:48:16,133 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 5: If I'm honest with you're a good strategy.

1032
00:48:18,013 --> 00:48:21,933
Speaker 2: But I think that's a good thing, right if you

1033
00:48:21,973 --> 00:48:26,013
Speaker 2: can if parents are a launching pad. So if are

1034
00:48:26,053 --> 00:48:27,533
Speaker 2: you working another job at all or are you just

1035
00:48:27,573 --> 00:48:29,373
Speaker 2: full time stand up comedy?

1036
00:48:29,373 --> 00:48:34,053
Speaker 19: Sean, I do work another job as well as well

1037
00:48:34,093 --> 00:48:35,533
Speaker 19: as doing stand up just to pay the bells?

1038
00:48:36,133 --> 00:48:38,053
Speaker 2: How much? How much work is being a stand up

1039
00:48:38,053 --> 00:48:41,973
Speaker 2: comedian in terms of hours? So if you're running a

1040
00:48:42,013 --> 00:48:45,013
Speaker 2: full time nine to five Monday to Friday job, are

1041
00:48:45,053 --> 00:48:47,613
Speaker 2: you still capable of being a stand up comedian or

1042
00:48:47,693 --> 00:48:49,813
Speaker 2: is it just the workload of being a stand up comedian?

1043
00:48:49,853 --> 00:48:52,373
Speaker 2: It's too large to do both things and you know,

1044
00:48:52,653 --> 00:48:54,173
Speaker 2: pay your own way out in the world and be

1045
00:48:54,213 --> 00:48:55,053
Speaker 2: a stand up comedian.

1046
00:48:56,653 --> 00:48:58,933
Speaker 19: Oh, the workload is definitely not too large. You can

1047
00:48:58,973 --> 00:49:01,133
Speaker 19: give a couple of spots a week. I'm sure you

1048
00:49:01,293 --> 00:49:02,213
Speaker 19: through stand up, didn't you.

1049
00:49:02,253 --> 00:49:02,413
Speaker 21: Matt.

1050
00:49:02,453 --> 00:49:05,413
Speaker 7: You do open my quite as much as you can.

1051
00:49:06,013 --> 00:49:08,172
Speaker 2: I still do, and look I make more money from

1052
00:49:08,213 --> 00:49:12,093
Speaker 2: them than I do from this job. But but but

1053
00:49:12,973 --> 00:49:15,333
Speaker 2: you've got to write the stuff, right, Yeah, you've got

1054
00:49:15,333 --> 00:49:18,053
Speaker 2: to write this stuff. So it's not just see this

1055
00:49:18,093 --> 00:49:19,973
Speaker 2: is this is the thing I think with bands as well.

1056
00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:22,293
Speaker 2: So bands, you know, you go, oh, you're getting paid

1057
00:49:22,293 --> 00:49:24,693
Speaker 2: this much for your hour long set or hour and

1058
00:49:24,693 --> 00:49:26,413
Speaker 2: a half seat or whatever for a band. Nah, you've

1059
00:49:26,413 --> 00:49:28,333
Speaker 2: got to practice, You've got to write the songs. There's

1060
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:30,652
Speaker 2: a lot that goes into it, Sean, you know, it's not.

1061
00:49:30,773 --> 00:49:33,453
Speaker 2: It's not just getting up there and improvising, is it.

1062
00:49:33,493 --> 00:49:38,253
Speaker 2: You've got to carefully put together, carefully structure you set.

1063
00:49:38,493 --> 00:49:41,373
Speaker 2: It's it's a it's a labor, isn't it.

1064
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:42,773
Speaker 7: Exactly?

1065
00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:44,213
Speaker 19: You've got to take time out of your day in

1066
00:49:44,253 --> 00:49:46,373
Speaker 19: the middle of the afternoon to call news Talk ZB

1067
00:49:46,533 --> 00:49:48,413
Speaker 19: under the guise of being on their show to promote

1068
00:49:48,453 --> 00:49:50,813
Speaker 19: your comedy, shown that people will buy Attackers. There's a

1069
00:49:50,853 --> 00:49:52,733
Speaker 19: lot of work that goes into it outside.

1070
00:49:52,733 --> 00:49:53,413
Speaker 4: A lot of hard work.

1071
00:49:53,853 --> 00:49:56,413
Speaker 2: And Sean, we've got a bunch of calls backed up here.

1072
00:49:56,413 --> 00:49:58,533
Speaker 2: But I'm making you work for this plake, you see,

1073
00:49:58,693 --> 00:50:00,652
Speaker 2: because because I want to teach you a lesson about

1074
00:50:00,693 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 2: hard work. And we could have just let you have

1075
00:50:04,333 --> 00:50:06,933
Speaker 2: that plague and get it out there to the world.

1076
00:50:07,013 --> 00:50:10,213
Speaker 2: But but we've made you work hard. We need something too, Sean.

1077
00:50:10,573 --> 00:50:13,732
Speaker 2: We've absolutely pushed you about your life.

1078
00:50:13,773 --> 00:50:16,893
Speaker 7: Yeah, one appreciate My parents will love it as well.

1079
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:18,373
Speaker 4: Yeah. One more question for you, Sean. Have you've got

1080
00:50:18,413 --> 00:50:18,733
Speaker 4: a partner?

1081
00:50:18,693 --> 00:50:22,333
Speaker 19: You got a wife, not a wife, but I do

1082
00:50:22,413 --> 00:50:24,493
Speaker 19: have a partner. I'm waiting for her to drop the knee, right, Okay,

1083
00:50:24,573 --> 00:50:25,373
Speaker 19: get no, fair enough?

1084
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:26,933
Speaker 2: And is she in there? With your parents.

1085
00:50:28,493 --> 00:50:30,773
Speaker 19: No, she's not, but she'll swing pass on occasion, sneaking

1086
00:50:30,773 --> 00:50:31,333
Speaker 19: through the back door.

1087
00:50:32,093 --> 00:50:34,573
Speaker 4: Really, and so no sleepovers, she doesn't take advantage of

1088
00:50:34,573 --> 00:50:35,653
Speaker 4: their avocado situation.

1089
00:50:36,773 --> 00:50:39,053
Speaker 7: Oh yep, just sleepover. But she's gone before breakfast, you know,

1090
00:50:39,173 --> 00:50:40,813
Speaker 7: just to polite.

1091
00:50:40,893 --> 00:50:44,652
Speaker 19: Yeah, polite and exactly I'm not paying ramp but neither

1092
00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:45,093
Speaker 19: she so.

1093
00:50:45,533 --> 00:50:49,213
Speaker 2: And final question, Sean, because you've really earned your plague

1094
00:50:49,213 --> 00:50:50,533
Speaker 2: here and we'll give you another plug at the end,

1095
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:53,093
Speaker 2: but you've really earned it, Sean. Final question, how does

1096
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:56,333
Speaker 2: it feel when your parents go Sean do the dishes?

1097
00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:59,773
Speaker 2: Or Sean tied to your room as a twenty eight

1098
00:50:59,813 --> 00:51:02,333
Speaker 2: year old as opposed to a you know when you

1099
00:51:02,373 --> 00:51:02,893
Speaker 2: were twelve.

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00:51:04,613 --> 00:51:06,533
Speaker 7: Well, i'll tell you what. It's immediate flashbacks.

1101
00:51:06,573 --> 00:51:10,173
Speaker 19: It's more depressing being to stop watching cartoons and eating

1102
00:51:10,173 --> 00:51:12,893
Speaker 19: corn flakes and do my chores as an almost thirty

1103
00:51:12,973 --> 00:51:14,573
Speaker 19: year old than it was that I was fourteen.

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00:51:14,773 --> 00:51:17,172
Speaker 7: That would hurt, But ye know that the conversation kind

1105
00:51:17,173 --> 00:51:17,893
Speaker 7: of repeats itself.

1106
00:51:17,933 --> 00:51:23,293
Speaker 2: Still, Yeah, yeah, so you're throwing ten TI's occasionally.

1107
00:51:23,373 --> 00:51:25,093
Speaker 7: I try not to. I'm human.

1108
00:51:25,213 --> 00:51:27,333
Speaker 2: All right, Okay, we'll let you go and one will

1109
00:51:27,333 --> 00:51:28,613
Speaker 2: plug for your show. This Sean.

1110
00:51:29,813 --> 00:51:31,692
Speaker 19: Thank you guys. It's called did you Know I'm a DJ?

1111
00:51:32,093 --> 00:51:34,493
Speaker 19: Shaorn Hill Comedy on Google. It's in Auckland the next

1112
00:51:34,533 --> 00:51:37,093
Speaker 19: four nights. Thanks guys, the b Thank you very much.

1113
00:51:37,093 --> 00:51:37,373
Speaker 4: Sean.

1114
00:51:37,493 --> 00:51:40,573
Speaker 2: Let's try and get Sean out of his parents' computer knock.

1115
00:51:40,613 --> 00:51:42,333
Speaker 4: It sounds like he needs it, you know, and he's

1116
00:51:42,333 --> 00:51:44,252
Speaker 4: got to buy it. And avocados at the stage show.

1117
00:51:44,373 --> 00:51:45,212
Speaker 4: Thank you very much.

1118
00:51:45,573 --> 00:51:49,053
Speaker 2: You cool, Yeah, very bad. But you know, despite the

1119
00:51:49,093 --> 00:51:52,333
Speaker 2: comedy and the you know, and and he's joking around,

1120
00:51:52,773 --> 00:51:55,213
Speaker 2: he has gone back in his parents with his parents

1121
00:51:55,213 --> 00:52:00,053
Speaker 2: to follow his dreams and some some sometimes that's what

1122
00:52:00,093 --> 00:52:00,573
Speaker 2: it takes.

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00:52:00,733 --> 00:52:03,453
Speaker 4: And it sounds like a very nice life for Sewan. Cornflakes,

1124
00:52:03,533 --> 00:52:06,013
Speaker 4: cartoons and avocados. I mean, maybe I'll move back in

1125
00:52:06,053 --> 00:52:08,053
Speaker 4: with my mum. Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1126
00:52:08,133 --> 00:52:10,253
Speaker 4: is number to call if you've had the kids move

1127
00:52:10,333 --> 00:52:11,973
Speaker 4: back in with you. How are you finding it? Love

1128
00:52:12,053 --> 00:52:14,453
Speaker 4: to hear from you. It's twenty one past two.

1129
00:52:19,253 --> 00:52:22,693
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh eight hundred and

1130
00:52:22,693 --> 00:52:24,573
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk ZEDB.

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00:52:24,893 --> 00:52:27,373
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, twenty three pass two. We're talking about adult

1132
00:52:27,453 --> 00:52:29,893
Speaker 4: children moving back home with mum and dad.

1133
00:52:29,933 --> 00:52:31,093
Speaker 5: It is on the rise.

1134
00:52:31,133 --> 00:52:34,093
Speaker 4: According to the twenty twenty three Census, more than two

1135
00:52:34,173 --> 00:52:36,933
Speaker 4: hundred twenty to thirty four year olds reported living with

1136
00:52:36,973 --> 00:52:40,373
Speaker 4: their parents. That is a thirty four percent increase from

1137
00:52:40,373 --> 00:52:40,893
Speaker 4: twenty thirty.

1138
00:52:41,253 --> 00:52:44,013
Speaker 2: Why is this is this? Is this a stunning rebuke

1139
00:52:44,133 --> 00:52:46,893
Speaker 2: of our economy when that many people can't make it

1140
00:52:46,933 --> 00:52:48,853
Speaker 2: in the world on their own, or is it a

1141
00:52:48,893 --> 00:52:53,973
Speaker 2: stunning rebuke of people not making good decisions in their life?

1142
00:52:54,053 --> 00:52:57,613
Speaker 2: Or is it just awesome and multi generational living is

1143
00:52:57,613 --> 00:52:59,533
Speaker 2: the way it should always be? It Certing was that

1144
00:52:59,573 --> 00:53:01,692
Speaker 2: way for a long time. This Texter disagrees. My son

1145
00:53:01,773 --> 00:53:04,133
Speaker 2: asked to move home. He's twenty seven. He wanted to

1146
00:53:04,173 --> 00:53:07,133
Speaker 2: return and study, wanted to leave his job. My husband

1147
00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:09,733
Speaker 2: and I decided, no, tough love, you trained for your

1148
00:53:09,773 --> 00:53:11,893
Speaker 2: first career, stick with it. My husband was in the

1149
00:53:11,933 --> 00:53:14,453
Speaker 2: same job for forty four years, just lazy, not going

1150
00:53:14,453 --> 00:53:16,533
Speaker 2: to enable him. And we have five rooms in the

1151
00:53:16,573 --> 00:53:18,453
Speaker 2: house and just me and my husband living there.

1152
00:53:18,533 --> 00:53:21,453
Speaker 4: Ooh, that is that's a harsh lisson to say, sorry,

1153
00:53:21,653 --> 00:53:22,493
Speaker 4: four spare rooms.

1154
00:53:22,533 --> 00:53:24,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, no room for their son because he wants to

1155
00:53:24,933 --> 00:53:27,733
Speaker 2: retrain for another career. That's not like he wants to

1156
00:53:27,773 --> 00:53:33,172
Speaker 2: come home and just on a drinking capacity. He wants

1157
00:53:33,213 --> 00:53:36,493
Speaker 2: to come home and retrain for another career. But no,

1158
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:41,253
Speaker 2: tough love, you train for your first career. Stick with it,

1159
00:53:41,413 --> 00:53:44,093
Speaker 2: my husband. But see that's the thing. People aren't in

1160
00:53:44,213 --> 00:53:46,893
Speaker 2: jobs for the same job for forty four years anymore.

1161
00:53:47,693 --> 00:53:50,013
Speaker 4: Well, no handouts for their boy, you know. The parents

1162
00:53:50,053 --> 00:53:52,253
Speaker 4: are said, well, you know, once you got out of

1163
00:53:52,413 --> 00:53:53,893
Speaker 4: at eighteen, you're on your own son.

1164
00:53:54,133 --> 00:53:56,013
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I'd be interesting to know how

1165
00:53:56,013 --> 00:53:58,613
Speaker 2: old these parents are and whether their twenty seven year

1166
00:53:58,653 --> 00:54:03,893
Speaker 2: old son continues to ring them and stay in their lives.

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00:54:04,333 --> 00:54:05,172
Speaker 5: There is that as well.

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00:54:05,213 --> 00:54:07,053
Speaker 4: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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00:54:07,053 --> 00:54:09,173
Speaker 4: to call len you this afternoon.

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Speaker 22: Good thanks.

1171
00:54:11,653 --> 00:54:15,933
Speaker 4: Now you have had a son who has moved back home,

1172
00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:18,253
Speaker 4: or indeed it was a situation where you built him

1173
00:54:18,613 --> 00:54:20,453
Speaker 4: a tiny home on your property.

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00:54:21,093 --> 00:54:28,493
Speaker 22: Yes, he separated sadly, and so he had nowhere to

1175
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:32,533
Speaker 22: go because he had two big dogs, and of course

1176
00:54:32,613 --> 00:54:34,732
Speaker 22: nobody will rent anybody with.

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00:54:36,733 --> 00:54:36,973
Speaker 6: Dog.

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00:54:37,573 --> 00:54:43,373
Speaker 22: And he pretty much gave everything through his each partner

1179
00:54:43,733 --> 00:54:49,652
Speaker 22: because of his little boy. And so we built him

1180
00:54:49,693 --> 00:54:58,133
Speaker 22: a tiny house here. And yeah, he's sheep were really well.

1181
00:54:58,173 --> 00:54:58,573
Speaker 11: It was.

1182
00:55:00,333 --> 00:55:08,493
Speaker 22: Very hard from fresh start. But yeah, he's now uh

1183
00:55:09,373 --> 00:55:14,692
Speaker 22: back on his feet and doing really really well.

1184
00:55:14,773 --> 00:55:18,173
Speaker 2: Now did you say that you actually built a place

1185
00:55:18,213 --> 00:55:20,693
Speaker 2: for him to live in your on your property?

1186
00:55:21,493 --> 00:55:27,013
Speaker 22: Yes, he has page respect since ye.

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00:55:27,093 --> 00:55:30,333
Speaker 2: Can you describe the proper the the the tiny house

1188
00:55:30,373 --> 00:55:32,093
Speaker 2: you described it on the property that you bought him?

1189
00:55:32,093 --> 00:55:35,333
Speaker 2: Has have got rooms and ship bathrooms.

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Speaker 22: And kitchens pass come home?

1191
00:55:40,373 --> 00:55:43,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he have.

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00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:50,053
Speaker 22: We have quite a big properly and I'm unable to

1193
00:55:50,133 --> 00:55:56,013
Speaker 22: work any longer because I have a license. You must

1194
00:55:56,013 --> 00:56:01,853
Speaker 22: well say ill us. So yeah, to have him come

1195
00:56:03,053 --> 00:56:06,213
Speaker 22: well has been wonderful because we get to have our

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00:56:06,293 --> 00:56:12,413
Speaker 22: little grandson in the holiday. Oh well, yeah, and he

1197
00:56:12,573 --> 00:56:16,933
Speaker 22: is very good. He doesn't he's not one to tell

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00:56:17,013 --> 00:56:19,733
Speaker 22: us how all of our lives. And one thing that

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00:56:19,933 --> 00:56:25,133
Speaker 22: other guy needs to realize is that the adults and

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00:56:25,213 --> 00:56:29,213
Speaker 22: you have to keep your tongue firmly between your teeth.

1201
00:56:29,293 --> 00:56:35,053
Speaker 22: I believe, I mean adults. So you can't just be

1202
00:56:35,373 --> 00:56:48,093
Speaker 22: telling them, you know, pick up you.

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00:56:42,733 --> 00:56:44,733
Speaker 2: So you don't go over there. You don't go over

1204
00:56:44,773 --> 00:56:46,773
Speaker 2: to the tiny house and tell him to do the dishes.

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00:56:47,933 --> 00:56:52,213
Speaker 22: No, no, he wrings the cups and over here to

1206
00:56:53,093 --> 00:56:55,493
Speaker 22: come comes from there, has a cup of tea with

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00:56:55,533 --> 00:56:57,013
Speaker 22: me on a Saturday morning.

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00:56:57,093 --> 00:57:00,853
Speaker 2: And that's a great part of it, Lynn, because you know,

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00:57:01,173 --> 00:57:03,853
Speaker 2: obviously for him, he would have potentially liked things to

1210
00:57:03,893 --> 00:57:05,733
Speaker 2: turn out a better and it sounds like he's had

1211
00:57:05,733 --> 00:57:08,293
Speaker 2: a little bit of bad luck. But from a fair

1212
00:57:08,373 --> 00:57:11,453
Speaker 2: many perspective, you are getting to spend time with him

1213
00:57:11,533 --> 00:57:14,293
Speaker 2: that you otherwise wouldn't have got to spend with them

1214
00:57:14,413 --> 00:57:15,333
Speaker 2: and your grandson.

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00:57:15,693 --> 00:57:19,613
Speaker 22: Yeah, last week I had a bit of a house

1216
00:57:19,853 --> 00:57:25,773
Speaker 22: year and so I plannicked to weep it and so

1217
00:57:26,093 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 22: I sent my message and my wishes.

1218
00:57:30,693 --> 00:57:31,093
Speaker 20: For my.

1219
00:57:33,693 --> 00:57:42,093
Speaker 22: And the poor guy must think, oh god, she's made Yeah.

1220
00:57:42,213 --> 00:57:48,573
Speaker 4: Sorry you go, just sorry, just jump my question. That muster,

1221
00:57:48,653 --> 00:57:50,813
Speaker 4: obviously on the back of a separation, would have been

1222
00:57:50,893 --> 00:57:52,813
Speaker 4: quite a tough time for him. I imagine that would

1223
00:57:52,813 --> 00:57:55,333
Speaker 4: have helped. Have you guys around and you know, building

1224
00:57:55,373 --> 00:57:57,573
Speaker 4: this this this tiny home for him, that would have

1225
00:57:57,573 --> 00:57:59,573
Speaker 4: helped with us bouncing back on his feet.

1226
00:58:00,373 --> 00:58:04,973
Speaker 22: Yeah, and you also had he was lucky enough Stal

1227
00:58:05,093 --> 00:58:16,053
Speaker 22: Spots let him set up what do you call it, another.

1228
00:58:15,933 --> 00:58:17,373
Speaker 5: I like another branch.

1229
00:58:17,933 --> 00:58:22,533
Speaker 22: Yeah, of the company that he worked for down on Wellington.

1230
00:58:23,053 --> 00:58:24,573
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for you call on or

1231
00:58:24,853 --> 00:58:28,093
Speaker 2: learn all the best for the future. I really appreciate

1232
00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:28,773
Speaker 2: you your time.

1233
00:58:29,453 --> 00:58:31,573
Speaker 4: Can you hear your thoughts on this and your stories?

1234
00:58:31,613 --> 00:58:34,813
Speaker 4: If you've had the kids come back home in adulthood

1235
00:58:34,813 --> 00:58:36,533
Speaker 4: to live with you, really, can you hear from you

1236
00:58:36,573 --> 00:58:39,533
Speaker 4: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and vice versa.

1237
00:58:39,573 --> 00:58:41,253
Speaker 4: If you've gone to live back home with the parents,

1238
00:58:41,293 --> 00:58:41,733
Speaker 4: out of it go.

1239
00:58:42,213 --> 00:58:44,853
Speaker 2: Pauline says that couple who won't let their son come

1240
00:58:44,893 --> 00:58:47,693
Speaker 2: home so he can retrain it would all come back

1241
00:58:47,733 --> 00:58:50,413
Speaker 2: to bite them in the ass when they get older

1242
00:58:50,453 --> 00:58:53,493
Speaker 2: and need his help with every day living. How miserly

1243
00:58:53,573 --> 00:58:56,213
Speaker 2: of them. I can't believe parents would do that, but

1244
00:58:56,293 --> 00:58:59,653
Speaker 2: they think the tough love. He's trained for one course, Pauline,

1245
00:59:00,093 --> 00:59:02,413
Speaker 2: and now he wants to train for another. They needs

1246
00:59:02,413 --> 00:59:03,733
Speaker 2: to stay in the first course.

1247
00:59:03,813 --> 00:59:05,973
Speaker 4: These are no nonsense people. They've said, hey, you've spent

1248
00:59:06,013 --> 00:59:08,893
Speaker 4: all that money or been trained up on what you're doing.

1249
00:59:09,333 --> 00:59:12,293
Speaker 4: No turning back, you do that or nothing, Pauline. They've

1250
00:59:12,293 --> 00:59:15,813
Speaker 4: only got four spare rooms in their house, tight quarters.

1251
00:59:15,853 --> 00:59:17,973
Speaker 4: There's no way their twenty seven year old son can

1252
00:59:18,093 --> 00:59:20,373
Speaker 4: come home. It has banged on to thirty oh one

1253
00:59:20,453 --> 00:59:22,653
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numberical.

1254
00:59:24,773 --> 00:59:28,533
Speaker 6: Jose talks Evy headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no

1255
00:59:28,653 --> 00:59:32,333
Speaker 6: trouble with the blue bubble. A surprise for economists today.

1256
00:59:32,453 --> 00:59:36,573
Speaker 6: With stantan Z figure showing the unemployment rate state static

1257
00:59:36,653 --> 00:59:40,093
Speaker 6: on five point one percent in the three months ending March,

1258
00:59:40,653 --> 00:59:43,933
Speaker 6: numbers of full time workers fell forty five thousand over

1259
00:59:43,973 --> 00:59:48,053
Speaker 6: the year, and part time employment grew by twenty five thousand.

1260
00:59:48,893 --> 00:59:52,013
Speaker 6: Labor leader Chris Hepkins says under this government, meth use

1261
00:59:52,133 --> 00:59:56,293
Speaker 6: has doubled, according to hospital discharge data, and it must

1262
00:59:56,333 --> 01:00:01,173
Speaker 6: do more. Pakistan shot down five Indian Air Force planes

1263
01:00:01,333 --> 01:00:05,293
Speaker 6: after missile attacks that killed eight people, which India says

1264
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:08,173
Speaker 6: were prompted by a terrorist attack on India last month

1265
01:00:08,493 --> 01:00:11,773
Speaker 6: that killed twenty six. A twenty eight year old man

1266
01:00:11,773 --> 01:00:15,333
Speaker 6: has been arrested in Auckland's Avondale and charged over a

1267
01:00:15,333 --> 01:00:19,813
Speaker 6: shooting on Fort Street in the CBD last month. Pike River,

1268
01:00:19,973 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 6: the film based on the twenty ten West Coast coal

1269
01:00:22,493 --> 01:00:26,293
Speaker 6: mining tragedy, as its world premiere in Sydney next month.

1270
01:00:27,093 --> 01:00:30,773
Speaker 6: Pope Francis Trump and the Ossie Election. The Lessons for

1271
01:00:30,853 --> 01:00:34,213
Speaker 6: Chris Luxen read Simon Wilson's thoughts. It ends a herald

1272
01:00:34,213 --> 01:00:36,693
Speaker 6: premium back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams.

1273
01:00:36,733 --> 01:00:39,173
Speaker 4: Thank you, Rayleen. And we're talking about adult children moving

1274
01:00:39,213 --> 01:00:44,213
Speaker 4: back home. It is becoming increasingly common. In twenty twenty three,

1275
01:00:44,333 --> 01:00:47,733
Speaker 4: it was estimated more than twenty twenty to thirty four

1276
01:00:47,773 --> 01:00:50,133
Speaker 4: year olds lived at home with their appearance.

1277
01:00:50,213 --> 01:00:51,093
Speaker 5: That was an.

1278
01:00:51,053 --> 01:00:54,493
Speaker 4: Increase of thirty four percent from twenty thirteen. And there

1279
01:00:54,573 --> 01:00:56,293
Speaker 4: is you know a lot of the reasons put down

1280
01:00:56,293 --> 01:00:59,013
Speaker 4: to that from these adult children that have gone back home,

1281
01:00:59,053 --> 01:01:01,253
Speaker 4: saying it is expensive to live in the world at

1282
01:01:01,293 --> 01:01:03,453
Speaker 4: the moment, and by moving in with mum and dad,

1283
01:01:03,453 --> 01:01:05,733
Speaker 4: one they enjoy it, but also it helps with the costs.

1284
01:01:05,973 --> 01:01:07,853
Speaker 4: But I think a big part of it is it

1285
01:01:07,933 --> 01:01:10,573
Speaker 4: is quite often a nice life living at home with

1286
01:01:10,653 --> 01:01:14,133
Speaker 4: mum and dad as and you get beautiful food. Sometimes

1287
01:01:14,133 --> 01:01:15,653
Speaker 4: they help with the laundry.

1288
01:01:16,693 --> 01:01:19,373
Speaker 2: The responsibilities are less. I've got another theory on this

1289
01:01:19,453 --> 01:01:22,053
Speaker 2: as well, is because I'm an awesome dad and my

1290
01:01:22,173 --> 01:01:24,693
Speaker 2: kids love me. We've got the same interests, We're into

1291
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:27,773
Speaker 2: similar things. Yeah, and look, my dad was awesome, but

1292
01:01:27,773 --> 01:01:29,933
Speaker 2: we're very different. By the time I moved out, you know,

1293
01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:32,373
Speaker 2: he was a big fan of listening to Perry Como records. Yep,

1294
01:01:32,773 --> 01:01:35,773
Speaker 2: his favorite songs. My old man's a dustman. He wears

1295
01:01:35,773 --> 01:01:38,053
Speaker 2: a dustman's hat, and I write a song. I wanted

1296
01:01:38,053 --> 01:01:41,893
Speaker 2: to listen to Metallica. But but me and my sons,

1297
01:01:41,933 --> 01:01:45,813
Speaker 2: I think there's a less of a generational divide. I

1298
01:01:45,853 --> 01:01:50,293
Speaker 2: think and parents have become more casual, and so the

1299
01:01:50,413 --> 01:01:53,373
Speaker 2: kids moving into the house, they kind of their lives

1300
01:01:53,413 --> 01:01:55,453
Speaker 2: aren't quite as different, you know what I'm saying.

1301
01:01:55,533 --> 01:01:59,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, the interests are a bit more aligned than they

1302
01:01:59,213 --> 01:02:00,973
Speaker 4: used to be thirty years ago.

1303
01:02:01,053 --> 01:02:03,453
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I'll head up to my kids round and

1304
01:02:03,693 --> 01:02:07,933
Speaker 2: play PlayStation with them. Yeah, we'll share the same records.

1305
01:02:08,493 --> 01:02:11,813
Speaker 2: You know, my sons are listening to the Strokes, and

1306
01:02:11,853 --> 01:02:13,933
Speaker 2: I love the band of Strokes. You know, there's there's

1307
01:02:13,973 --> 01:02:16,933
Speaker 2: similarities that they're Also, it's easy to go and play

1308
01:02:17,013 --> 01:02:18,813
Speaker 2: golf with my son if he's at home, if he

1309
01:02:18,813 --> 01:02:20,333
Speaker 2: ever moves back, because we can just leave from the

1310
01:02:20,333 --> 01:02:21,093
Speaker 2: one place.

1311
01:02:20,933 --> 01:02:21,493
Speaker 4: You lovely go.

1312
01:02:21,733 --> 01:02:23,293
Speaker 5: I imagine your children Lovely Girl as well.

1313
01:02:23,333 --> 01:02:26,693
Speaker 2: Absolutely this textas is my story. Daughter and her husband

1314
01:02:26,693 --> 01:02:29,733
Speaker 2: moved in late twenty so he could retrain enjoyed the company.

1315
01:02:29,773 --> 01:02:32,253
Speaker 2: He became Apprentice of the Year in his new career

1316
01:02:32,653 --> 01:02:36,373
Speaker 2: now forty owns a big successful business. Always grateful for

1317
01:02:36,453 --> 01:02:38,813
Speaker 2: our support and giving our greed kids a great life.

1318
01:02:38,893 --> 01:02:40,853
Speaker 4: You see, beautiful, that's a great text.

1319
01:02:40,893 --> 01:02:42,693
Speaker 5: See that is this winning, isn't it?

1320
01:02:42,773 --> 01:02:42,973
Speaker 17: Yeah?

1321
01:02:42,973 --> 01:02:46,453
Speaker 2: That is that is how it's done. John O. Welcome

1322
01:02:46,453 --> 01:02:48,813
Speaker 2: to the show. You've moved in and out several times.

1323
01:02:49,413 --> 01:02:52,733
Speaker 4: Hey guy, are you very good? And you got sear

1324
01:02:52,813 --> 01:02:54,653
Speaker 4: me a ka yeah, got you loud and clear. So

1325
01:02:54,773 --> 01:02:56,813
Speaker 4: you living with your folks at the moment, Johnny.

1326
01:02:57,933 --> 01:03:01,973
Speaker 16: So I'm actually living with my girlfriend's parents at the

1327
01:03:02,013 --> 01:03:06,893
Speaker 16: moment in Auckland. But from about the age of I

1328
01:03:06,933 --> 01:03:10,133
Speaker 16: think sixteen, when I first doubt, all the way through

1329
01:03:10,213 --> 01:03:12,653
Speaker 16: to twenty four, I moved in and out with my

1330
01:03:12,773 --> 01:03:15,973
Speaker 16: parents purely because of the living environments that I was

1331
01:03:16,013 --> 01:03:18,813
Speaker 16: getting put into and just the cost of everything sort

1332
01:03:18,853 --> 01:03:21,333
Speaker 16: of going up. And you know, my parents just they

1333
01:03:21,373 --> 01:03:24,293
Speaker 16: always always, always always said, look, come back if you

1334
01:03:24,373 --> 01:03:26,333
Speaker 16: need to. There's always going to be a room. Therefore

1335
01:03:26,333 --> 01:03:28,133
Speaker 16: you will help out room you need to. Of course,

1336
01:03:28,133 --> 01:03:30,653
Speaker 16: you strow to pay rent and help out a around

1337
01:03:30,653 --> 01:03:34,133
Speaker 16: the house. But having that sort of lifeline and having

1338
01:03:34,173 --> 01:03:36,293
Speaker 16: that sort of spare room, that really helped me to

1339
01:03:36,373 --> 01:03:38,453
Speaker 16: sort of get back to my bearings and get back

1340
01:03:38,453 --> 01:03:40,333
Speaker 16: to my droundings and really set me back up and

1341
01:03:40,333 --> 01:03:41,533
Speaker 16: put me back where I needed to be.

1342
01:03:42,133 --> 01:03:44,253
Speaker 2: But then you currently they see you up back where

1343
01:03:44,293 --> 01:03:47,613
Speaker 2: you need to be, but now you're living with your expearents.

1344
01:03:48,733 --> 01:03:49,013
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1345
01:03:49,093 --> 01:03:51,813
Speaker 16: So my partner and I were doing long distance for

1346
01:03:51,933 --> 01:03:55,333
Speaker 16: three years, and what we said was we sort of

1347
01:03:55,693 --> 01:03:58,293
Speaker 16: I was living in a small town for my whole

1348
01:03:58,293 --> 01:04:00,893
Speaker 16: life twenty four years, and you know, we had this

1349
01:04:00,933 --> 01:04:03,813
Speaker 16: spread opportunity and she had just finished her degree in Wellington,

1350
01:04:03,893 --> 01:04:05,733
Speaker 16: so we had the great opportunity to sort of move

1351
01:04:05,853 --> 01:04:09,013
Speaker 16: up to Auckland was her parents. And I just said, look,

1352
01:04:09,053 --> 01:04:12,293
Speaker 16: I mean it's it's pretty much a no brainers still

1353
01:04:12,373 --> 01:04:14,573
Speaker 16: the sort of the same. It's having money, and it's

1354
01:04:14,613 --> 01:04:17,653
Speaker 16: living with really really nice people and are just super

1355
01:04:17,733 --> 01:04:20,333
Speaker 16: lucky to sort of get another opportunity like this, and

1356
01:04:20,373 --> 01:04:21,853
Speaker 16: I've sort of make the most of it while we

1357
01:04:21,893 --> 01:04:24,293
Speaker 16: sort of can and save up for as you know,

1358
01:04:24,453 --> 01:04:26,093
Speaker 16: just save as much money as we sort of can.

1359
01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:29,493
Speaker 2: At the same time, is there any tensions in the house.

1360
01:04:30,533 --> 01:04:32,493
Speaker 16: No, No, like we will get along really really well.

1361
01:04:32,533 --> 01:04:34,653
Speaker 16: Like I'm as a pan of golf and we my

1362
01:04:34,733 --> 01:04:36,453
Speaker 16: father and law was a plan of golf as well,

1363
01:04:36,453 --> 01:04:38,933
Speaker 16: and we all sort of mingle around. You know, we

1364
01:04:39,013 --> 01:04:41,453
Speaker 16: do do our own things, but it's the it's just

1365
01:04:41,733 --> 01:04:45,053
Speaker 16: I guess, sharing the sharing the whole environment and making

1366
01:04:45,053 --> 01:04:48,173
Speaker 16: sure that everyone's comfortable with what everyone's doing, and especially

1367
01:04:48,253 --> 01:04:51,813
Speaker 16: just sharing the load and you know, taking taking there

1368
01:04:51,853 --> 01:04:53,293
Speaker 16: of everyone and making sure everything.

1369
01:04:53,053 --> 01:04:57,053
Speaker 2: Comes so you feel comfortable because you know, you're still

1370
01:04:57,053 --> 01:04:59,773
Speaker 2: staying at someone's house. So yeah, you know, if you're

1371
01:04:59,853 --> 01:05:03,853
Speaker 2: sitting in the lounge watching sport when someone else comes

1372
01:05:03,853 --> 01:05:08,933
Speaker 2: and you know, they get the rights to what's actually on.

1373
01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:10,773
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, You don't get, you don't

1374
01:05:10,813 --> 01:05:13,253
Speaker 2: have you're not the complete master of your own domain

1375
01:05:13,653 --> 01:05:14,053
Speaker 2: as it were.

1376
01:05:14,133 --> 01:05:17,253
Speaker 16: Johnno, Yeah, well, like I have, we sort of have

1377
01:05:17,373 --> 01:05:19,293
Speaker 16: our own sort of area of the house, but we

1378
01:05:19,373 --> 01:05:23,293
Speaker 16: all sort of share every room equally as Myra. But

1379
01:05:23,653 --> 01:05:25,133
Speaker 16: like we all get we all get together and we

1380
01:05:25,173 --> 01:05:27,453
Speaker 16: all watch movies, we all have together. We all share

1381
01:05:27,453 --> 01:05:29,373
Speaker 16: the stories of the day, and we all came out

1382
01:05:29,373 --> 01:05:31,213
Speaker 16: on the weekends and we go to you know, we

1383
01:05:31,573 --> 01:05:33,573
Speaker 16: do a lot of stuff together. And that's really what

1384
01:05:33,733 --> 01:05:36,493
Speaker 16: sort of makes us quite a good little unit is

1385
01:05:36,493 --> 01:05:38,733
Speaker 16: because we can share all this time together and we

1386
01:05:38,773 --> 01:05:40,973
Speaker 16: can talk about all this sort of thing, but there's

1387
01:05:40,973 --> 01:05:44,093
Speaker 16: no hostage. There's no sort of like, oh, you know,

1388
01:05:44,133 --> 01:05:45,573
Speaker 16: one persons in the room, I have to be out

1389
01:05:45,613 --> 01:05:45,733
Speaker 16: of it.

1390
01:05:45,813 --> 01:05:46,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might.

1391
01:05:46,213 --> 01:05:48,093
Speaker 16: It's been a little bit uncomfortable at the start, trying

1392
01:05:48,133 --> 01:05:50,333
Speaker 16: to see where everyone needs to be and trying to

1393
01:05:50,333 --> 01:05:53,213
Speaker 16: follow and follow and respect everyone's sort of routines and

1394
01:05:53,213 --> 01:05:56,013
Speaker 16: stuff like that. But but now like now that I've

1395
01:05:56,013 --> 01:05:58,493
Speaker 16: filled in over the last six months, it's just fantastic.

1396
01:05:58,573 --> 01:06:00,893
Speaker 16: I don't regret the move, and I definitely don't regret

1397
01:06:01,573 --> 01:06:02,173
Speaker 16: good situation.

1398
01:06:02,693 --> 01:06:05,293
Speaker 2: That's the whole situation. How do I put this? So

1399
01:06:05,333 --> 01:06:09,493
Speaker 2: you move in and you're with someone's daughter and you're

1400
01:06:10,373 --> 01:06:14,333
Speaker 2: you're in a relationship. Young man, John, how how was

1401
01:06:15,093 --> 01:06:19,813
Speaker 2: how was the vibes around that kind of activity while

1402
01:06:19,813 --> 01:06:22,773
Speaker 2: you're in your partner's parents house? If you know what

1403
01:06:22,813 --> 01:06:25,453
Speaker 2: I'm saying, John, Well.

1404
01:06:25,293 --> 01:06:27,733
Speaker 16: Look it's I guess that's just sort of something that

1405
01:06:27,773 --> 01:06:32,853
Speaker 16: everyone doesn't really talk about. Probably what we've been We've

1406
01:06:32,853 --> 01:06:35,373
Speaker 16: been dating at tennis for three years and that hasn't

1407
01:06:35,373 --> 01:06:39,533
Speaker 16: been any discussing whatsoever. And we used to spend weekends

1408
01:06:39,533 --> 01:06:41,333
Speaker 16: and awful, we used to spend weekends the way to

1409
01:06:41,373 --> 01:06:44,173
Speaker 16: give in knowing all about it. It's just one of

1410
01:06:44,173 --> 01:06:45,613
Speaker 16: those things that is going to happen.

1411
01:06:45,773 --> 01:06:47,613
Speaker 2: It doesn't come on, it doesn't. It doesn't come up

1412
01:06:47,653 --> 01:06:48,293
Speaker 2: at the dinner table.

1413
01:06:48,293 --> 01:06:49,693
Speaker 5: You don't need to clear the air on that one.

1414
01:06:50,213 --> 01:06:52,173
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, John, and how old are you again? Sorry?

1415
01:06:53,053 --> 01:06:55,533
Speaker 16: I just turned twenty five, So you're twenty five.

1416
01:06:55,573 --> 01:06:58,813
Speaker 2: I mean that's young that, you know. How do you

1417
01:06:58,853 --> 01:07:03,453
Speaker 2: think about thirty and then forty still living with parents?

1418
01:07:04,453 --> 01:07:06,813
Speaker 16: I would definitely probably hold off on you know, I

1419
01:07:06,853 --> 01:07:09,613
Speaker 16: would even start looking at get my own place to out. Really,

1420
01:07:10,613 --> 01:07:12,773
Speaker 16: I've wanted a house I was younger house for me,

1421
01:07:12,893 --> 01:07:15,253
Speaker 16: just spend it. It's my own space, and it's I'm

1422
01:07:15,333 --> 01:07:17,013
Speaker 16: in charge of that sort of zone really at the

1423
01:07:17,053 --> 01:07:19,053
Speaker 16: end of the day. But you've got to make you

1424
01:07:19,253 --> 01:07:21,973
Speaker 16: just you just have to make the most of the opportunities.

1425
01:07:22,013 --> 01:07:24,093
Speaker 16: Why you can't and while they're in front of you really,

1426
01:07:24,133 --> 01:07:26,053
Speaker 16: But of course I'll be looking before you getting out

1427
01:07:26,213 --> 01:07:28,373
Speaker 16: around about thirty. Who knows what is just going to

1428
01:07:28,413 --> 01:07:30,373
Speaker 16: hold with his talks of us going overseas in the

1429
01:07:30,413 --> 01:07:33,013
Speaker 16: next three years, and hey, we could get somewhere out

1430
01:07:33,013 --> 01:07:35,333
Speaker 16: the sea, but for right now, it's just as what

1431
01:07:35,373 --> 01:07:35,733
Speaker 16: it is.

1432
01:07:36,333 --> 01:07:38,013
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have to change your lifestyle a little bit?

1433
01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:38,253
Speaker 2: John?

1434
01:07:38,293 --> 01:07:41,133
Speaker 4: I imagine in that situation as a twenty five year old,

1435
01:07:41,133 --> 01:07:42,893
Speaker 4: you might be wanting to go out until the wee

1436
01:07:43,013 --> 01:07:45,373
Speaker 4: hours of the morning and then crawling back to your

1437
01:07:45,373 --> 01:07:47,413
Speaker 4: girlfriend's parents place. So you might have to change that

1438
01:07:47,453 --> 01:07:48,253
Speaker 4: behavior a little bit.

1439
01:07:49,733 --> 01:07:54,253
Speaker 16: Look, there has been some changes, but it's all really

1440
01:07:54,293 --> 01:07:55,453
Speaker 16: for the good at the end of the day. And

1441
01:07:55,493 --> 01:07:57,613
Speaker 16: I'm really open to what everyone needs to do. So,

1442
01:07:57,893 --> 01:07:59,533
Speaker 16: I mean, I'm a mechanic, So I get out on

1443
01:07:59,573 --> 01:08:01,133
Speaker 16: the first one of Believe in the morning. I started

1444
01:08:01,133 --> 01:08:03,093
Speaker 16: seven thirty in the morning, and then I needed to

1445
01:08:03,133 --> 01:08:05,533
Speaker 16: get home around it up for us about six thirty

1446
01:08:05,533 --> 01:08:07,493
Speaker 16: because I go to the gym, up the work, finishing

1447
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:09,933
Speaker 16: up four and then have it for all the terrible traffic.

1448
01:08:09,973 --> 01:08:12,773
Speaker 16: It's just pretty much a nightmare. But everyone's sort of

1449
01:08:12,773 --> 01:08:15,293
Speaker 16: comes home around about five o'clock, seven o'clock, and then

1450
01:08:15,333 --> 01:08:18,372
Speaker 16: we all sort of just blowsy onto our own thing wherever. Result.

1451
01:08:18,813 --> 01:08:21,813
Speaker 2: Oh good on you, John, great, great, And I think

1452
01:08:21,853 --> 01:08:25,213
Speaker 2: continue the policy of not bringing up the amorous activities

1453
01:08:25,333 --> 01:08:27,372
Speaker 2: that you're experiencing with the daughter at the dinner table.

1454
01:08:27,372 --> 01:08:27,973
Speaker 10: I think.

1455
01:08:28,253 --> 01:08:29,692
Speaker 2: I think, just keep that one to yourself and then

1456
01:08:29,692 --> 01:08:30,293
Speaker 2: they're smart.

1457
01:08:30,372 --> 01:08:32,852
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless someone else raises it, don't say anything, John,

1458
01:08:32,973 --> 01:08:35,053
Speaker 4: It's a good strategy. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1459
01:08:35,173 --> 01:08:38,173
Speaker 4: is the number to call. Yeah, it is nineteen to two.

1460
01:08:38,173 --> 01:08:38,532
Speaker 4: Back for you.

1461
01:08:38,572 --> 01:08:39,852
Speaker 5: Surely you listening to Matt and Tyler.

1462
01:08:41,333 --> 01:08:44,892
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

1463
01:08:44,933 --> 01:08:48,293
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons,

1464
01:08:48,452 --> 01:08:51,452
Speaker 1: News dogs'v News Dogs.

1465
01:08:51,452 --> 01:08:55,173
Speaker 4: He'd be it is sixteen to three and we're talking

1466
01:08:55,213 --> 01:08:57,613
Speaker 4: about adult children moving back with their parents.

1467
01:08:57,612 --> 01:08:59,812
Speaker 2: Afternoon Matt and Tyler. I've lived with my in laws

1468
01:08:59,853 --> 01:09:02,012
Speaker 2: three times over a twenty year period. The first time

1469
01:09:02,013 --> 01:09:04,612
Speaker 2: with no kids for a year, second with three for

1470
01:09:04,692 --> 01:09:07,333
Speaker 2: eighteen months, Third with four kids for two years, all

1471
01:09:07,372 --> 01:09:10,052
Speaker 2: while we were selling then building houses. It was great

1472
01:09:10,053 --> 01:09:12,093
Speaker 2: and really good for the kids, but any longer than

1473
01:09:12,133 --> 01:09:17,412
Speaker 2: eighteen months, the wife was wanting to kill her mother. Wow,

1474
01:09:17,532 --> 01:09:20,532
Speaker 2: that's one thing, moving in with parents with four kids,

1475
01:09:20,893 --> 01:09:24,372
Speaker 2: but you know parents, and look, my kids even had

1476
01:09:25,293 --> 01:09:27,732
Speaker 2: kids yet. But I imagine i'd want to I mean

1477
01:09:28,013 --> 01:09:29,692
Speaker 2: lots of as much time as I possibly could with

1478
01:09:29,732 --> 01:09:33,372
Speaker 2: my grandkids. Yeah, they when they come along. But it's

1479
01:09:33,412 --> 01:09:35,532
Speaker 2: definitely something that's happening, isn't it.

1480
01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:35,692
Speaker 17: So.

1481
01:09:35,933 --> 01:09:38,532
Speaker 2: More than two hundred thousand people aged twenty to thirty

1482
01:09:38,532 --> 01:09:41,852
Speaker 2: four lived with their parents in twenty twenty three, or

1483
01:09:41,893 --> 01:09:45,973
Speaker 2: thirty four percent rise since twenty and thirteen, according to

1484
01:09:46,732 --> 01:09:50,253
Speaker 2: this article in The Herald, and Hailey Holt has moved

1485
01:09:50,293 --> 01:09:52,613
Speaker 2: back in with her parents due to financial concerns.

1486
01:09:52,692 --> 01:09:55,253
Speaker 4: Crazy times, Haley, hold of all people. But as you say,

1487
01:09:55,293 --> 01:09:58,053
Speaker 4: you know Telly alfter, Telly none other. As you say,

1488
01:09:58,053 --> 01:10:01,852
Speaker 4: the Eastern philosophy of families, kind of living in the

1489
01:10:01,893 --> 01:10:04,812
Speaker 4: same house or the same piece of land, is something

1490
01:10:04,933 --> 01:10:06,973
Speaker 4: that we don't embrace here in New Zealand, the and

1491
01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:08,092
Speaker 4: other western countries.

1492
01:10:08,372 --> 01:10:10,253
Speaker 5: That is a beautiful part of it right there.

1493
01:10:10,452 --> 01:10:13,253
Speaker 4: As I hope you'll be a grandparent one day, maybe

1494
01:10:13,253 --> 01:10:15,572
Speaker 4: one day soon, that that beautiful thing of it's a

1495
01:10:15,612 --> 01:10:18,972
Speaker 4: wind for the child that has the baby because then

1496
01:10:19,053 --> 01:10:21,333
Speaker 4: you can babysit, and a good thing for you because

1497
01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:22,652
Speaker 4: you're spending time with a freendchimes.

1498
01:10:22,692 --> 01:10:27,732
Speaker 2: You say Eastern, But my peasant ancestors growing in Ireland, yep,

1499
01:10:27,853 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 2: they probably had all the family in one room and

1500
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:33,132
Speaker 2: the pigs and the sheep. Yeah, had night and the chickens.

1501
01:10:33,173 --> 01:10:35,852
Speaker 4: It was tough times back there. There wasn't it, Paul,

1502
01:10:36,812 --> 01:10:38,012
Speaker 4: You want your kids to come back.

1503
01:10:39,532 --> 01:10:39,572
Speaker 7: No.

1504
01:10:40,933 --> 01:10:44,892
Speaker 21: I experienced them coming back to girls coming back. One

1505
01:10:45,013 --> 01:10:47,372
Speaker 21: was twenty three and one was twenty five. But the

1506
01:10:47,412 --> 01:10:51,892
Speaker 21: funny thing was we had a big family home and

1507
01:10:51,933 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 21: I kind of me and my wife sold it because

1508
01:10:54,293 --> 01:10:56,892
Speaker 21: she was sick of cleaning the double storied house and

1509
01:10:56,973 --> 01:11:00,492
Speaker 21: nobody helped. And so we saw them. I said, right,

1510
01:11:00,492 --> 01:11:06,532
Speaker 21: we'll get a small place so they can't move back. Well,

1511
01:11:06,612 --> 01:11:11,452
Speaker 21: how wrong was I? The younger one came back. The

1512
01:11:11,492 --> 01:11:13,892
Speaker 21: younger one came back, and she did come back a

1513
01:11:13,893 --> 01:11:17,013
Speaker 21: bit broken from our relationship, so we were there to

1514
01:11:17,053 --> 01:11:19,612
Speaker 21: help her. But she slept on the couch for three

1515
01:11:19,612 --> 01:11:23,173
Speaker 21: months while I not youther. Liked Lynn a sleepout out

1516
01:11:23,253 --> 01:11:26,892
Speaker 21: the back for her, and once I'd not get together,

1517
01:11:26,973 --> 01:11:30,572
Speaker 21: she could move into that. And really it was just amazing, Matt.

1518
01:11:30,652 --> 01:11:33,293
Speaker 21: I absolutely embrace what you want to do with your kids.

1519
01:11:33,652 --> 01:11:36,852
Speaker 21: It was a fantastic time. Their mates came around, the

1520
01:11:36,933 --> 01:11:41,173
Speaker 21: parties were in our place. We were able to were

1521
01:11:41,173 --> 01:11:44,732
Speaker 21: able to kind of you know, there were young adults

1522
01:11:44,772 --> 01:11:47,532
Speaker 21: experiencing life like we did when we were there their age,

1523
01:11:47,572 --> 01:11:50,173
Speaker 21: and it was just fun. It was to be involved

1524
01:11:50,213 --> 01:11:54,213
Speaker 21: with their lives. I just looked back on an absolute fond.

1525
01:11:54,253 --> 01:11:57,492
Speaker 21: They were with us for about three years until one

1526
01:11:57,572 --> 01:12:00,612
Speaker 21: the younger one picked up her life and got a

1527
01:12:00,652 --> 01:12:02,572
Speaker 21: new boyfriend and went off and did her oe.

1528
01:12:04,133 --> 01:12:07,173
Speaker 2: It was was it an interesting situation because you'd had

1529
01:12:07,213 --> 01:12:10,693
Speaker 2: them living at home and that sort of a parenting situation.

1530
01:12:10,973 --> 01:12:13,772
Speaker 2: You're disciplining them, you're you're you know, setting them up

1531
01:12:13,812 --> 01:12:15,853
Speaker 2: to be adults. But when they come back as adults,

1532
01:12:16,412 --> 01:12:19,652
Speaker 2: is that they're more like friends? Would that be be

1533
01:12:19,853 --> 01:12:21,532
Speaker 2: accurate to say you're not doing you're not doing the

1534
01:12:21,572 --> 01:12:23,052
Speaker 2: parenting side of it anymore.

1535
01:12:23,213 --> 01:12:26,213
Speaker 21: No, that's right, they're they're friends there, they're friends, and

1536
01:12:26,213 --> 01:12:29,173
Speaker 21: then we get to know their friends and and we

1537
01:12:29,293 --> 01:12:31,932
Speaker 21: had a nice comment come back to us. The younger

1538
01:12:31,973 --> 01:12:34,932
Speaker 21: one said, you know, all their mates loved coming around

1539
01:12:34,973 --> 01:12:38,172
Speaker 21: to our place because we're so as you say, friends,

1540
01:12:38,412 --> 01:12:41,692
Speaker 21: and we were friendly and we had this open kind

1541
01:12:41,732 --> 01:12:44,092
Speaker 21: of policy. We didn't you know, they were young adults

1542
01:12:44,093 --> 01:12:46,932
Speaker 21: with their own ideas, you know, and thoughts and how

1543
01:12:46,973 --> 01:12:49,612
Speaker 21: they do things, and we never stepped in and say, oh,

1544
01:12:49,652 --> 01:12:50,253
Speaker 21: you should do it.

1545
01:12:50,333 --> 01:12:50,492
Speaker 14: Like this.

1546
01:12:50,692 --> 01:12:53,412
Speaker 21: So you know, we weren't overpowering parents. We just we

1547
01:12:53,532 --> 01:12:57,452
Speaker 21: had that open home policy. And I mean it was

1548
01:12:57,732 --> 01:12:59,973
Speaker 21: you know, my father, two daughters.

1549
01:13:00,053 --> 01:13:02,492
Speaker 15: You know these men are coming home.

1550
01:13:02,572 --> 01:13:08,253
Speaker 21: You know I didn't say an.

1551
01:13:08,572 --> 01:13:11,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean you have to repress some natural

1552
01:13:11,532 --> 01:13:15,253
Speaker 2: instincts to you know, really lay into them, make them

1553
01:13:15,253 --> 01:13:18,492
Speaker 2: feel small. Hey, thank you so much for your call, Paul.

1554
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:20,012
Speaker 2: You sound like a great dude.

1555
01:13:20,372 --> 01:13:22,772
Speaker 21: YEA, love you love your show. I just love that

1556
01:13:22,893 --> 01:13:27,212
Speaker 21: ben to you give mister Hoskin a Yes.

1557
01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:30,933
Speaker 4: We've let him be for the last wee while we

1558
01:13:30,973 --> 01:13:31,892
Speaker 4: need to get stuck back.

1559
01:13:33,372 --> 01:13:35,492
Speaker 21: I think I think if you come laugh at yourself,

1560
01:13:35,532 --> 01:13:38,052
Speaker 21: and I think he can so I think I'm sure

1561
01:13:38,452 --> 01:13:39,133
Speaker 21: he doesn't mind.

1562
01:13:39,412 --> 01:13:41,532
Speaker 2: Good on your Paul, Thanks for you, Thanks for your call.

1563
01:13:41,652 --> 01:13:42,372
Speaker 5: You're a good man.

1564
01:13:42,652 --> 01:13:47,853
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonnaver read this text out. Hey, lads, girlfriend's

1565
01:13:47,933 --> 01:13:51,452
Speaker 2: dad heard us doing some of the things that you

1566
01:13:51,532 --> 01:13:54,532
Speaker 2: were talking about. Matt, he was not happy. He put

1567
01:13:54,532 --> 01:13:56,013
Speaker 2: a hole in the jib, letting us know that he

1568
01:13:56,013 --> 01:13:58,213
Speaker 2: could hear what was going on. He then made me

1569
01:13:58,293 --> 01:13:59,052
Speaker 2: repair the patch.

1570
01:13:59,333 --> 01:14:02,093
Speaker 4: That is some bonding, Ollie. That is a hell of

1571
01:14:02,133 --> 01:14:05,013
Speaker 4: a situation to be and I mean, I suppose for you.

1572
01:14:07,013 --> 01:14:08,012
Speaker 2: That's an awkward situation.

1573
01:14:09,093 --> 01:14:11,532
Speaker 4: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty, ten eighty If you.

1574
01:14:11,652 --> 01:14:13,532
Speaker 5: Like Ollie love to hear your stories as well. It

1575
01:14:13,652 --> 01:14:14,812
Speaker 5: is ten to three.

1576
01:14:16,333 --> 01:14:18,772
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1577
01:14:18,812 --> 01:14:22,213
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons New

1578
01:14:22,253 --> 01:14:22,772
Speaker 1: Stalk Z.

1579
01:14:22,853 --> 01:14:26,812
Speaker 4: EDB New Stalks EDB, and we're talking about adult kids

1580
01:14:26,853 --> 01:14:29,852
Speaker 4: coming back home to live with their parents, our.

1581
01:14:29,732 --> 01:14:32,133
Speaker 2: And new experiences. Move back in with your dad at

1582
01:14:32,133 --> 01:14:34,732
Speaker 2: twenty five and now in law's at thirty three.

1583
01:14:36,173 --> 01:14:37,812
Speaker 10: Good, Hey, guys, how are you doing? That's right?

1584
01:14:38,612 --> 01:14:40,572
Speaker 2: How's it going good?

1585
01:14:40,612 --> 01:14:43,572
Speaker 10: Thank you? Yeah, both of those experiences were for different reasons.

1586
01:14:43,572 --> 01:14:46,012
Speaker 10: I guess one just newly married and didn't know where

1587
01:14:46,013 --> 01:14:48,253
Speaker 10: we wanted to live and decided to move in with

1588
01:14:48,293 --> 01:14:50,213
Speaker 10: my dad for a few weeks after our honeymoon and

1589
01:14:50,412 --> 01:14:53,093
Speaker 10: ended up saying for seven months because it all went

1590
01:14:53,133 --> 01:14:55,652
Speaker 10: really smoothly and it was obviously a good way to

1591
01:14:55,652 --> 01:14:59,013
Speaker 10: save money and just kind of take it easy for it.

1592
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:03,532
Speaker 2: Imagine it's smoother when you move back into your home

1593
01:15:03,692 --> 01:15:06,572
Speaker 2: with your dad than it is moving into the home

1594
01:15:06,732 --> 01:15:07,532
Speaker 2: of your partner.

1595
01:15:08,372 --> 01:15:11,932
Speaker 10: That it's right, Yeah, say that probably took more of

1596
01:15:11,973 --> 01:15:15,213
Speaker 10: a toll on my wife, I guess, getting to get

1597
01:15:15,293 --> 01:15:16,973
Speaker 10: used to living with my dad than it was for me.

1598
01:15:17,013 --> 01:15:19,412
Speaker 10: As you say, it was really much natural to me

1599
01:15:19,532 --> 01:15:21,812
Speaker 10: other than having my wife there. So yeah, she did

1600
01:15:21,893 --> 01:15:22,293
Speaker 10: very well.

1601
01:15:22,612 --> 01:15:25,652
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always think of the movie Meet the Parents

1602
01:15:25,652 --> 01:15:29,173
Speaker 2: and how the daughter and that you know, Robert and

1603
01:15:29,213 --> 01:15:32,973
Speaker 2: Hero's daughter is just so terrible and setting up her

1604
01:15:33,133 --> 01:15:38,572
Speaker 2: not looking after her. The ben still a character. Yeah,

1605
01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:41,612
Speaker 2: gay lord, they don't. She doesn't help them through that

1606
01:15:41,652 --> 01:15:44,333
Speaker 2: situation at all. There's all the things that they do

1607
01:15:44,412 --> 01:15:48,972
Speaker 2: in this family, and and and there's a way that

1608
01:15:49,013 --> 01:15:51,972
Speaker 2: you can ease them in, or you can just revert

1609
01:15:52,053 --> 01:15:55,333
Speaker 2: to how you behave in your family and leave leave

1610
01:15:55,372 --> 01:15:57,932
Speaker 2: that person hanging out. Do you know what I'm saying, Aaron,

1611
01:15:57,973 --> 01:15:59,532
Speaker 2: you live that you can leave your partner hanging out

1612
01:15:59,572 --> 01:16:01,772
Speaker 2: to dry unless you help them through that situation with

1613
01:16:01,853 --> 01:16:02,333
Speaker 2: the family.

1614
01:16:03,333 --> 01:16:05,012
Speaker 10: I do, and I think my wife would probably agree.

1615
01:16:05,053 --> 01:16:06,412
Speaker 10: I did a little bit more of that. But on

1616
01:16:06,412 --> 01:16:09,213
Speaker 10: the other side, it's the hand where my wife was

1617
01:16:09,213 --> 01:16:12,372
Speaker 10: probably taking the female role of the household and trying

1618
01:16:12,372 --> 01:16:14,293
Speaker 10: to keep us both in line a bit more with

1619
01:16:14,333 --> 01:16:17,053
Speaker 10: my mum not being around. But I think I'm very

1620
01:16:17,093 --> 01:16:19,173
Speaker 10: grateful as I came back a little bit later on

1621
01:16:19,253 --> 01:16:22,412
Speaker 10: that my in laws were nothing like Meet the Fockers.

1622
01:16:22,133 --> 01:16:27,892
Speaker 4: And along with.

1623
01:16:26,732 --> 01:16:30,452
Speaker 10: My father and land mother in law. So complication with

1624
01:16:30,532 --> 01:16:33,293
Speaker 10: that one was the fact that we were moving back

1625
01:16:33,293 --> 01:16:36,093
Speaker 10: in a couple months before having our firstborn baby, so

1626
01:16:36,492 --> 01:16:40,972
Speaker 10: I bought a big dynamic change to the whole household

1627
01:16:40,973 --> 01:16:44,293
Speaker 10: being empty nestors almost themselves now having a newborn in

1628
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:49,052
Speaker 10: the house. But yeah, again it didn't wasn't initially planned

1629
01:16:49,053 --> 01:16:53,653
Speaker 10: for very long, but lasted eighteen months. And yeah, fantastic

1630
01:16:53,692 --> 01:16:56,293
Speaker 10: experience to share that kind of newborn stage with the

1631
01:16:56,333 --> 01:16:59,932
Speaker 10: first time grandparents and they have the flexibility of.

1632
01:17:01,572 --> 01:17:02,013
Speaker 4: A lot of bit.

1633
01:17:02,213 --> 01:17:04,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, great for them to get that connection so early

1634
01:17:04,293 --> 01:17:09,053
Speaker 2: on with the grandchild. One of the things because quite

1635
01:17:09,093 --> 01:17:11,213
Speaker 2: awkward when you're round it. And this has been my

1636
01:17:11,293 --> 01:17:15,213
Speaker 2: experiences when partners of mine have been quite short with

1637
01:17:15,293 --> 01:17:17,452
Speaker 2: their parents and they'll have an argument and they'll go

1638
01:17:17,492 --> 01:17:19,732
Speaker 2: back and forth, and you're there and it's outside of

1639
01:17:19,772 --> 01:17:23,852
Speaker 2: social norms. But within a family, it's sometimes fine to

1640
01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:27,652
Speaker 2: talk quite nastily and full on with your parents and

1641
01:17:27,652 --> 01:17:31,012
Speaker 2: back and forth and you're just sitting there, absolutely don't

1642
01:17:31,013 --> 01:17:32,732
Speaker 2: know where to put your hands, where to lock, what

1643
01:17:33,372 --> 01:17:34,333
Speaker 2: what to do?

1644
01:17:36,652 --> 01:17:38,653
Speaker 10: Well, we just had to make sure that the grandparents

1645
01:17:38,652 --> 01:17:41,452
Speaker 10: of the previous generation didn't try and introduce smacking.

1646
01:17:41,093 --> 01:17:50,732
Speaker 2: And yeah, exactly, especially straight after birth. Aaron. So you

1647
01:17:51,933 --> 01:17:54,692
Speaker 2: are now in there with your in laws at thirty

1648
01:17:54,732 --> 01:17:58,933
Speaker 2: three and what's the plan? Have you got pains?

1649
01:17:59,452 --> 01:18:01,732
Speaker 10: We've now got another newborn. So we moved out a

1650
01:18:01,732 --> 01:18:04,652
Speaker 10: little while ago with the byself throughout the last eight

1651
01:18:04,652 --> 01:18:08,732
Speaker 10: months yep, and returned to Auckland and nearby part with

1652
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:11,452
Speaker 10: a little bit of healthy distance. I think beneficial both

1653
01:18:11,452 --> 01:18:14,092
Speaker 10: to my wife having another newborn to have her own nest,

1654
01:18:14,253 --> 01:18:17,692
Speaker 10: but also to the grandparents now with this remed bunches

1655
01:18:17,692 --> 01:18:19,052
Speaker 10: toddler and a newborn might.

1656
01:18:18,933 --> 01:18:19,812
Speaker 11: Be too much.

1657
01:18:21,133 --> 01:18:23,013
Speaker 2: Oh good on you, Aaron, and good luck with that

1658
01:18:23,133 --> 01:18:24,172
Speaker 2: rambunctious toddler.

1659
01:18:24,293 --> 01:18:27,772
Speaker 4: Great col Just on the being in a situation where

1660
01:18:27,812 --> 01:18:30,053
Speaker 4: the family dynamics are a bit of an argument with

1661
01:18:30,093 --> 01:18:33,372
Speaker 4: your partner at their parents' place, very difficult on whose

1662
01:18:33,372 --> 01:18:35,372
Speaker 4: side you take, because if you take your partner's side,

1663
01:18:35,452 --> 01:18:37,053
Speaker 4: then you're in trouble with the in laws. But if

1664
01:18:37,093 --> 01:18:39,852
Speaker 4: you take the law's side, you're in trouble with your partner.

1665
01:18:40,093 --> 01:18:40,492
Speaker 5: It is.

1666
01:18:41,452 --> 01:18:44,852
Speaker 4: It's a tightrope. It's a tyrope to talk that one. Right,

1667
01:18:44,893 --> 01:18:47,333
Speaker 4: a couple of texts to the news.

1668
01:18:47,213 --> 01:18:49,772
Speaker 2: Thank you, Matt and Tyler. Matt says he will be

1669
01:18:49,812 --> 01:18:52,133
Speaker 2: with us for life. In fact, he loves a rather

1670
01:18:52,213 --> 01:18:54,253
Speaker 2: quirky old house so much he wants to buy the

1671
01:18:54,293 --> 01:18:56,772
Speaker 2: other children out when we go, which we have given

1672
01:18:56,812 --> 01:18:57,692
Speaker 2: him a blessing to do.

1673
01:18:57,812 --> 01:19:01,492
Speaker 4: There you go, nice, fantastic, right, great discussion, Thank you

1674
01:19:01,692 --> 01:19:04,013
Speaker 4: very much. New Sport and weather on its way.

1675
01:19:04,013 --> 01:19:09,572
Speaker 1: Great you company, you're on you home stateful and enter

1676
01:19:09,612 --> 01:19:14,652
Speaker 1: Teening Talk. It's Mattie and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk.

1677
01:19:14,772 --> 01:19:18,412
Speaker 4: Sebby afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show. Sex

1678
01:19:18,532 --> 01:19:21,492
Speaker 4: past three Now, just before we move on, Ray was

1679
01:19:21,532 --> 01:19:23,692
Speaker 4: hanging on and we didn't have a time to get

1680
01:19:23,732 --> 01:19:24,772
Speaker 4: to but he's ticked through.

1681
01:19:25,013 --> 01:19:28,132
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting situation. We're talking about people

1682
01:19:28,133 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 2: moving back in with their parents or parents moving back

1683
01:19:30,253 --> 01:19:32,812
Speaker 2: in with the kids. I'm forty seven, have a place

1684
01:19:32,853 --> 01:19:35,892
Speaker 2: with mum, spend two nights a week with her, resk

1685
01:19:35,973 --> 01:19:37,973
Speaker 2: the time with my wife. It's great and gives my

1686
01:19:38,013 --> 01:19:40,253
Speaker 2: wife a break from me. Mum likes the company looks

1687
01:19:40,293 --> 01:19:43,612
Speaker 2: after our dog always says yummy, home foot coot, home

1688
01:19:43,652 --> 01:19:47,173
Speaker 2: cooked food. I feel slow, so lucky. It's a great situation, Ray,

1689
01:19:47,412 --> 01:19:48,532
Speaker 2: that is very interesting.

1690
01:19:48,732 --> 01:19:49,012
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1691
01:19:49,053 --> 01:19:51,772
Speaker 2: So it's spent two nights a week with mum for

1692
01:19:51,853 --> 01:19:54,053
Speaker 2: the food and the company, and it gives you a

1693
01:19:54,093 --> 01:19:54,892
Speaker 2: break from your wife.

1694
01:19:54,973 --> 01:19:57,333
Speaker 5: It's lovely, isn't it. That is that's a fine strategy.

1695
01:19:57,372 --> 01:19:57,532
Speaker 17: Ray?

1696
01:19:57,612 --> 01:20:00,492
Speaker 2: Is there lovely for rad? I mean, I wonder what

1697
01:20:00,572 --> 01:20:03,093
Speaker 2: has wife goes. He's such a mummy's boy. He has

1698
01:20:03,133 --> 01:20:05,253
Speaker 2: to go home for the fule of nights. Ye, he

1699
01:20:05,293 --> 01:20:07,412
Speaker 2: needs a couple of nights with his mummy. Yeah no,

1700
01:20:07,452 --> 01:20:10,092
Speaker 2: but I'm sure it is wonderful situation. Ray seems happy

1701
01:20:10,093 --> 01:20:12,572
Speaker 2: with it, and Ray's mum's happy with it. So who

1702
01:20:12,572 --> 01:20:14,973
Speaker 2: are you to judge? Rum Springer was the word we

1703
01:20:15,053 --> 01:20:18,572
Speaker 2: were looking for. So that is when amish they reach

1704
01:20:18,612 --> 01:20:21,093
Speaker 2: a certain age and they have a Is it a

1705
01:20:21,093 --> 01:20:21,973
Speaker 2: couple of years?

1706
01:20:22,853 --> 01:20:24,973
Speaker 4: Well, I thought it was a year. But the documentary

1707
01:20:25,013 --> 01:20:27,093
Speaker 4: I was thinking of about rum Springer and thank you

1708
01:20:27,133 --> 01:20:31,253
Speaker 4: to that text was called Devil's Playground where they leave four.

1709
01:20:31,532 --> 01:20:33,492
Speaker 4: I thought it was a year and they can do

1710
01:20:33,572 --> 01:20:36,052
Speaker 4: whatever they want to do in society.

1711
01:20:36,133 --> 01:20:40,692
Speaker 2: So it's around sixteen. Yeah, so Rumspringer is also spelled

1712
01:20:41,532 --> 01:20:45,572
Speaker 2: as a writer pressage during adolescence where they leave I

1713
01:20:45,652 --> 01:20:48,932
Speaker 2: believe it's for two years, is it? And then most

1714
01:20:48,973 --> 01:20:51,372
Speaker 2: of them come back. I had a friend who lived

1715
01:20:51,372 --> 01:20:53,772
Speaker 2: in Rochester, New York, and he said that the rum

1716
01:20:53,812 --> 01:20:57,333
Speaker 2: Springer kids were out of control at bars. Yeah, because

1717
01:20:57,492 --> 01:21:00,892
Speaker 2: they hadn't experienced much in life, so they'd go absolutely crazy.

1718
01:21:01,173 --> 01:21:04,053
Speaker 2: They'd try everything, and then they go, screw the real world,

1719
01:21:04,093 --> 01:21:04,732
Speaker 2: I'm going home.

1720
01:21:05,973 --> 01:21:07,053
Speaker 5: There's something nice about that.

1721
01:21:07,053 --> 01:21:09,293
Speaker 2: There's a length of run Springer, veryous, depending on individual

1722
01:21:09,293 --> 01:21:12,692
Speaker 2: circumstances and community norms, but can be between six months

1723
01:21:12,732 --> 01:21:15,612
Speaker 2: and two years. So you haven't experienced anything in the

1724
01:21:15,612 --> 01:21:18,892
Speaker 2: world and are much you're smart. They go, well, you know,

1725
01:21:19,013 --> 01:21:22,093
Speaker 2: they'll need to see the world otherwise they've always wondered

1726
01:21:22,093 --> 01:21:23,852
Speaker 2: about it. They go out and they're not prepared for it,

1727
01:21:23,893 --> 01:21:25,213
Speaker 2: so it all blows up in their face and they

1728
01:21:25,213 --> 01:21:26,532
Speaker 2: come back and they go, yeah, I'll be armiss for

1729
01:21:26,572 --> 01:21:27,093
Speaker 2: the rest of my life.

1730
01:21:27,133 --> 01:21:29,572
Speaker 4: This is wicked, so hell of a strategy, though, returned

1731
01:21:29,572 --> 01:21:31,532
Speaker 4: to the Armiss Parador or the ride and the deep

1732
01:21:31,612 --> 01:21:34,093
Speaker 4: End anyway, that's not what we're talking about. No, And

1733
01:21:34,173 --> 01:21:36,932
Speaker 4: just to remind also Gareth abden Or. He's an employment

1734
01:21:37,053 --> 01:21:40,652
Speaker 4: law specialist and director of Abdenaor Employment Law. He'll be

1735
01:21:40,732 --> 01:21:43,093
Speaker 4: joining us in twenty five minutes. So if you've got

1736
01:21:43,093 --> 01:21:45,652
Speaker 4: a question, a problem, an issue in your job, he

1737
01:21:45,732 --> 01:21:45,972
Speaker 4: is the.

1738
01:21:45,893 --> 01:21:46,452
Speaker 5: Man to chet too.

1739
01:21:46,532 --> 01:21:48,213
Speaker 4: And if you're the boss and you've got a problem

1740
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:50,293
Speaker 4: with your workers, he's a good man to chet too too.

1741
01:21:50,732 --> 01:21:52,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only got a problem with my worker on

1742
01:21:52,492 --> 01:21:54,053
Speaker 2: the other side of the desk that I might bring up.

1743
01:21:54,933 --> 01:21:58,452
Speaker 4: No, Gareth won't hit you with it, okay, So Tyler, Yes,

1744
01:21:58,893 --> 01:22:00,652
Speaker 4: this is a good moment. This is a great moment.

1745
01:22:00,692 --> 01:22:02,412
Speaker 2: This is a big moment for you. It is so

1746
01:22:02,492 --> 01:22:04,253
Speaker 2: I might have to bring this up with Gareth. But

1747
01:22:04,692 --> 01:22:06,572
Speaker 2: there's been a topic that you've wanted to speak about

1748
01:22:06,612 --> 01:22:11,133
Speaker 2: on the show for the last two days and we

1749
01:22:11,173 --> 01:22:12,812
Speaker 2: haven't got to it because there are other topics that

1750
01:22:12,853 --> 01:22:15,412
Speaker 2: I've brought have been so successful and popular. I've got

1751
01:22:15,412 --> 01:22:16,892
Speaker 2: so many calls and text on them that we haven't

1752
01:22:16,933 --> 01:22:18,772
Speaker 2: got to your one little topic that you really wanted

1753
01:22:18,772 --> 01:22:20,772
Speaker 2: to do. And you're very excited about it, and you

1754
01:22:20,853 --> 01:22:22,732
Speaker 2: keep putting it in because we have three topics that

1755
01:22:22,812 --> 01:22:24,053
Speaker 2: all go out of day and you keep putting it

1756
01:22:24,053 --> 01:22:26,092
Speaker 2: in and saying I want to talk about this boss

1757
01:22:26,893 --> 01:22:30,093
Speaker 2: to me, and I keep saying, well, okay, you know,

1758
01:22:30,133 --> 01:22:32,732
Speaker 2: because I do want to support you and I want

1759
01:22:32,772 --> 01:22:35,852
Speaker 2: to give you opportunities to succeed. But if this topic

1760
01:22:35,893 --> 01:22:37,013
Speaker 2: doesn't work today.

1761
01:22:37,173 --> 01:22:38,532
Speaker 5: Well this is going to be a home run.

1762
01:22:38,812 --> 01:22:41,013
Speaker 2: Then that's three strikes and you're out and no more

1763
01:22:41,013 --> 01:22:42,333
Speaker 2: topics from you.

1764
01:22:42,492 --> 01:22:44,692
Speaker 4: I let those other strikes fe you through. I just

1765
01:22:44,772 --> 01:22:46,452
Speaker 4: love living life on the ED. So this is going

1766
01:22:46,492 --> 01:22:49,932
Speaker 4: to be an absolute home run. Leed's chats about dress codes.

1767
01:22:49,973 --> 01:22:56,052
Speaker 4: So this says after Starbucks has sparked fury fury among gen.

1768
01:22:55,973 --> 01:22:57,572
Speaker 5: Z workers with the new change.

1769
01:22:57,652 --> 01:23:00,972
Speaker 4: So they're changing the uniform and it's fair to say

1770
01:23:01,053 --> 01:23:04,772
Speaker 4: the change isn't massive. So the new change is a

1771
01:23:05,133 --> 01:23:11,572
Speaker 4: black dress shoot or a tidy black T shirt and

1772
01:23:11,612 --> 01:23:15,612
Speaker 4: then black, beige or blue shorts. But the gen Z

1773
01:23:15,732 --> 01:23:18,532
Speaker 4: workers have absolutely freaked out, saying it and pings on

1774
01:23:18,612 --> 01:23:22,812
Speaker 4: our right to freedom and to express ourselves. But to

1775
01:23:22,812 --> 01:23:24,612
Speaker 4: take it a bit wider than that, dress codes in

1776
01:23:24,652 --> 01:23:28,613
Speaker 4: the workplace, how important are they in a place like Starbucks?

1777
01:23:28,893 --> 01:23:29,372
Speaker 5: Critical?

1778
01:23:29,692 --> 01:23:33,172
Speaker 4: Absolutely critical if you walk into a Starbucks, and arguably

1779
01:23:33,213 --> 01:23:35,772
Speaker 4: if you walk into a Starbucks, then you're not doing

1780
01:23:35,772 --> 01:23:38,132
Speaker 4: well at life if that's where you go for your coffee.

1781
01:23:38,293 --> 01:23:43,532
Speaker 4: But you who's snooty? Wow, Okay, I'm coming in hot

1782
01:23:43,572 --> 01:23:47,093
Speaker 4: on this one. But you want to see it's like

1783
01:23:47,173 --> 01:23:49,652
Speaker 4: going to a McDonald's or any sort of franchise. You

1784
01:23:49,692 --> 01:23:51,372
Speaker 4: want to see them in a uniform. There is something

1785
01:23:51,452 --> 01:23:55,093
Speaker 4: nice about that. It presents a sense of professionalism, that

1786
01:23:55,213 --> 01:23:56,732
Speaker 4: they are going to look after you, that they're going

1787
01:23:56,772 --> 01:24:00,213
Speaker 4: to deliver what you order. There's a there's a conformity

1788
01:24:00,213 --> 01:24:00,852
Speaker 4: to it that way.

1789
01:24:01,093 --> 01:24:02,772
Speaker 2: So if people were in a Starbucks, you went into

1790
01:24:02,772 --> 01:24:07,173
Speaker 2: a Starbucks and they weren't wearing the same polosume and

1791
01:24:07,253 --> 01:24:10,613
Speaker 2: hat or whatever it says Starbucks what you'd feel uncomfortable

1792
01:24:10,612 --> 01:24:12,852
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't enjoy the coffee as much if you

1793
01:24:12,893 --> 01:24:15,692
Speaker 2: went into, say a subway, the same thing. Does it

1794
01:24:15,732 --> 01:24:17,692
Speaker 2: really matter if people they're tidy, they're tidy.

1795
01:24:17,853 --> 01:24:20,812
Speaker 4: Well, maybe this is an extreme version of this, but

1796
01:24:21,173 --> 01:24:24,572
Speaker 4: one of the employers, employees at Starbucks over in the

1797
01:24:24,692 --> 01:24:27,732
Speaker 4: US that freaked out. A video went viral and this

1798
01:24:28,253 --> 01:24:31,293
Speaker 4: barista is wearing a bandanna. Nothing' wrong with the bandanna,

1799
01:24:31,333 --> 01:24:33,852
Speaker 4: but also a party hat on top of that. And

1800
01:24:34,013 --> 01:24:36,692
Speaker 4: generally here's the quote, I don't understand how the dress

1801
01:24:36,692 --> 01:24:39,452
Speaker 4: code is in good faith or letting us express ourselves.

1802
01:24:39,532 --> 01:24:41,372
Speaker 5: That is someone taking the absolute.

1803
01:24:41,253 --> 01:24:43,293
Speaker 2: Well I would say to that person is I don't

1804
01:24:43,372 --> 01:24:47,053
Speaker 2: think that work is a place where you nearly really

1805
01:24:47,133 --> 01:24:51,253
Speaker 2: need to express yourself. But say, let's just say tidy

1806
01:24:51,333 --> 01:24:52,652
Speaker 2: dress right for example.

1807
01:24:52,732 --> 01:24:53,052
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1808
01:24:53,093 --> 01:24:56,173
Speaker 2: So when you first tried to bring up this topic,

1809
01:24:56,652 --> 01:24:59,412
Speaker 2: Tyler Yep on Monday, I believe it was. I was

1810
01:24:59,452 --> 01:25:01,412
Speaker 2: saying that in the weekend, I'd been into the Flying

1811
01:25:01,452 --> 01:25:04,053
Speaker 2: Out Record store on pitt Street and Auckland and the

1812
01:25:04,053 --> 01:25:06,892
Speaker 2: guy behind the counter was dressed in cabin and tat's

1813
01:25:07,253 --> 01:25:11,012
Speaker 2: dressed in a sort of basically a single it and yeah,

1814
01:25:11,053 --> 01:25:15,812
Speaker 2: a lot of piercings. It looked good. And he was

1815
01:25:15,893 --> 01:25:19,133
Speaker 2: dressed absolutely appropriately for a record store, yep. And he

1816
01:25:19,173 --> 01:25:23,013
Speaker 2: was playing some horrific New Zealand punk music. And I

1817
01:25:23,053 --> 01:25:24,692
Speaker 2: said to my son that was in the store with me,

1818
01:25:25,412 --> 01:25:26,973
Speaker 2: boy a boy that's not going to help sales. And

1819
01:25:26,973 --> 01:25:29,293
Speaker 2: then someone walked up and said what's this and bought it?

1820
01:25:29,412 --> 01:25:32,212
Speaker 2: So I was wrong there, but I bought three records

1821
01:25:32,572 --> 01:25:34,492
Speaker 2: and that was perfect, right.

1822
01:25:34,532 --> 01:25:36,812
Speaker 4: Yeah, he had the image for the place. Yeah, but

1823
01:25:36,853 --> 01:25:39,852
Speaker 4: if you turn up to mechanics. Yeah, and he's wearing

1824
01:25:39,853 --> 01:25:42,572
Speaker 4: a tuxedo. You're just going to turn around again and say, well,

1825
01:25:42,732 --> 01:25:43,412
Speaker 4: what's going on here?

1826
01:25:43,452 --> 01:25:45,213
Speaker 2: I disagree. If I went to a mechanics where everyone

1827
01:25:45,213 --> 01:25:47,452
Speaker 2: wore a tuxedo, would be I'd go there all the time.

1828
01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:49,572
Speaker 2: That fantastic I did. But say, for example, it was

1829
01:25:49,612 --> 01:25:54,092
Speaker 2: an expensive Italian restaurant and everyone's dressed crap, then maybe

1830
01:25:54,093 --> 01:25:56,892
Speaker 2: you'd question it, right because you think I'll we's something nice.

1831
01:25:56,933 --> 01:26:02,293
Speaker 2: So I think it's just appropriate, right? But yeah, was it? Yeah?

1832
01:26:02,572 --> 01:26:06,173
Speaker 2: Was it Edith Head that said you can have anything

1833
01:26:06,173 --> 01:26:09,333
Speaker 2: you want in life if you dress for Yeah? Was

1834
01:26:09,333 --> 01:26:11,933
Speaker 2: that Edith here? She was the costume designer one, And I.

1835
01:26:11,933 --> 01:26:13,852
Speaker 4: Think that's that's the gist of it. I mean close

1836
01:26:13,973 --> 01:26:16,213
Speaker 4: Maketh the man is the other one, right, Yeah?

1837
01:26:16,293 --> 01:26:18,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you may dress whatever however you want in

1838
01:26:18,652 --> 01:26:21,253
Speaker 2: a workplace, but that may not necessarily get you where

1839
01:26:21,253 --> 01:26:22,852
Speaker 2: you want to go in the workplace. If you know

1840
01:26:22,893 --> 01:26:25,892
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, you should probably if you're if you're

1841
01:26:25,933 --> 01:26:28,612
Speaker 2: trying to get ahead in a law firm and you're

1842
01:26:28,652 --> 01:26:30,692
Speaker 2: turning up in a speedo every day, then you're probably

1843
01:26:30,692 --> 01:26:31,452
Speaker 2: not going to get very far.

1844
01:26:31,492 --> 01:26:33,213
Speaker 4: If you know what I'm saying, No, at least it's

1845
01:26:33,213 --> 01:26:35,093
Speaker 4: casual Friday, and you might get away with that. But

1846
01:26:35,293 --> 01:26:37,372
Speaker 4: like you, for example, when you first started here, Matte,

1847
01:26:37,412 --> 01:26:41,813
Speaker 4: you turned up in flip flops and sometimes a singlet

1848
01:26:41,893 --> 01:26:45,372
Speaker 4: and your head the shorts. And now look at you.

1849
01:26:45,372 --> 01:26:50,532
Speaker 4: You are resplendent in a nice Marino V cut T shirt,

1850
01:26:50,612 --> 01:26:52,333
Speaker 4: long sleeve T shirt that's on a T shirt.

1851
01:26:52,372 --> 01:26:53,933
Speaker 2: Mate, this is a this is a this is a

1852
01:26:54,013 --> 01:26:54,892
Speaker 2: jumper like a juicy.

1853
01:26:54,973 --> 01:26:57,412
Speaker 4: Yet you've got some tidy jeans on, so that's arguable.

1854
01:26:57,452 --> 01:26:59,933
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean jeans, jeans is taken or leave it,

1855
01:27:00,253 --> 01:27:03,012
Speaker 4: and some tidy shoes. So you've changed, You've conformed.

1856
01:27:03,093 --> 01:27:06,852
Speaker 2: But Tyler, what you must understand is that that's the

1857
01:27:06,933 --> 01:27:09,093
Speaker 2: change of seasons. It's not is not tend I'm not

1858
01:27:09,133 --> 01:27:12,452
Speaker 2: moving towards formality. A change of seasons and what we're

1859
01:27:12,452 --> 01:27:14,692
Speaker 2: doing here as an audio medium, so it doesn't really

1860
01:27:14,732 --> 01:27:15,372
Speaker 2: matter what I wear.

1861
01:27:15,492 --> 01:27:19,932
Speaker 4: So in some ofer you're a bogan and an autumn

1862
01:27:20,253 --> 01:27:22,972
Speaker 4: If if if an employer has a dress code uniform,

1863
01:27:23,013 --> 01:27:25,133
Speaker 4: freaking wear it or get a job somewhere else.

1864
01:27:25,692 --> 01:27:27,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would agree with that. I mean,

1865
01:27:27,893 --> 01:27:29,053
Speaker 2: if there is a dress code, if you go to

1866
01:27:29,053 --> 01:27:30,612
Speaker 2: get a job and they say, when you work at

1867
01:27:30,612 --> 01:27:33,293
Speaker 2: Starbucks you wear this, then you wear that? Right, Yeah,

1868
01:27:33,333 --> 01:27:36,293
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's that would seem fine. I mean

1869
01:27:36,452 --> 01:27:38,253
Speaker 2: as I say, I mean, is it really? Do you

1870
01:27:38,293 --> 01:27:39,892
Speaker 2: really need to show you flair at work?

1871
01:27:40,412 --> 01:27:40,572
Speaker 5: Oh?

1872
01:27:40,612 --> 01:27:43,492
Speaker 4: E one hundred eighty ten eighty? How important are dress

1873
01:27:43,532 --> 01:27:46,333
Speaker 4: codes at your place of work? Glove to hear from you?

1874
01:27:46,812 --> 01:27:47,973
Speaker 4: And if you want to send a teaching more than

1875
01:27:47,973 --> 01:27:49,492
Speaker 4: welcome nine to two, nine and two like this one

1876
01:27:49,492 --> 01:27:50,213
Speaker 4: from Craig Tyler.

1877
01:27:50,213 --> 01:27:50,732
Speaker 2: It's simple.

1878
01:27:50,933 --> 01:27:52,973
Speaker 4: I pay your wages, you wear what I want you

1879
01:27:53,013 --> 01:27:55,053
Speaker 4: to wear. Well, I don't know if you quite pay

1880
01:27:55,093 --> 01:27:57,412
Speaker 4: my wages, but depending on what you want me to wear, Craig.

1881
01:27:57,253 --> 01:27:57,772
Speaker 5: I'll give it a go.

1882
01:27:58,053 --> 01:27:59,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what does Craig want you to wear?

1883
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:00,213
Speaker 23: Quarter?

1884
01:28:00,213 --> 01:28:03,732
Speaker 4: Part three, Good afternoon. We're talking about dress codes at work?

1885
01:28:03,853 --> 01:28:06,013
Speaker 4: Are they important? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on

1886
01:28:06,093 --> 01:28:08,572
Speaker 4: the back of Starbucks who made some minor change to

1887
01:28:08,612 --> 01:28:11,093
Speaker 4: their uniform, but the younger workers have freaked out a bit.

1888
01:28:11,572 --> 01:28:13,333
Speaker 5: Mike, what do you what do you think?

1889
01:28:14,253 --> 01:28:17,932
Speaker 14: Yeah, Hi guys, Yeah, I think uniformity and the dress

1890
01:28:17,973 --> 01:28:23,253
Speaker 14: code looks tidy professional. And then also when your boss

1891
01:28:23,372 --> 01:28:26,932
Speaker 14: and the company you work for provided uniforms. Well that's

1892
01:28:27,293 --> 01:28:30,372
Speaker 14: you know, it's free clothing unless we're in tearing your

1893
01:28:30,372 --> 01:28:35,093
Speaker 14: own stuff and good, it's good. Can you envisage the

1894
01:28:35,173 --> 01:28:38,133
Speaker 14: boss when you're working for I worked for a couple

1895
01:28:38,213 --> 01:28:41,013
Speaker 14: of construction companies. You can envisage the boss sitting in

1896
01:28:41,053 --> 01:28:44,412
Speaker 14: his office air condition and he's looking up, I need

1897
01:28:44,412 --> 01:28:48,452
Speaker 14: new unifms, and so he's looking at the the closes,

1898
01:28:48,572 --> 01:28:53,692
Speaker 14: he's looking at the logos and signatas and decides, well,

1899
01:28:54,133 --> 01:28:58,932
Speaker 14: without thinking, I think the best thing here and what

1900
01:28:59,013 --> 01:29:02,852
Speaker 14: looks the very best black shirts? Black shirts and black

1901
01:29:02,893 --> 01:29:06,253
Speaker 14: t shirts. So you work in the middle of summer,

1902
01:29:06,692 --> 01:29:11,053
Speaker 14: your in construction, you're outside and you're wearing black shirts

1903
01:29:11,253 --> 01:29:14,772
Speaker 14: and you're sweating your guts out the sun's bending down

1904
01:29:14,893 --> 01:29:17,492
Speaker 14: and heat wondering why productivity is dropped.

1905
01:29:17,732 --> 01:29:20,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make a lot of sense, does it.

1906
01:29:20,093 --> 01:29:22,812
Speaker 2: I mean, did you feedback on that?

1907
01:29:24,333 --> 01:29:28,372
Speaker 14: No? No, I never wanted to offend my boss, but yeah, no,

1908
01:29:28,492 --> 01:29:31,013
Speaker 14: when you're working outside in the middle of summer, in

1909
01:29:31,053 --> 01:29:34,852
Speaker 14: the heat of the sun, black shirts are just the worst.

1910
01:29:35,253 --> 01:29:37,333
Speaker 14: I mean, you want to go sky blue or light

1911
01:29:37,412 --> 01:29:40,532
Speaker 14: green or I don't know, white, yess wore dirty. But yeah,

1912
01:29:40,772 --> 01:29:44,852
Speaker 14: I always always got frustrated with that, and looking back,

1913
01:29:44,893 --> 01:29:48,932
Speaker 14: I think it's funny. But yeah, no, yeah, I've always

1914
01:29:48,933 --> 01:29:49,492
Speaker 14: thought that, Mike.

1915
01:29:49,532 --> 01:29:51,253
Speaker 4: When and I don't know when it came in, I

1916
01:29:51,293 --> 01:29:52,772
Speaker 4: think it was, you know, in the last of five

1917
01:29:52,853 --> 01:29:55,772
Speaker 4: six years, the increase in health and safety and seeing

1918
01:29:55,772 --> 01:29:58,612
Speaker 4: poor buggers like yourself and others who were decked out

1919
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:02,852
Speaker 4: in what looks like the most horrendous ppe gear but

1920
01:30:02,893 --> 01:30:05,412
Speaker 4: it's full body and it looks incredibly hot and you're

1921
01:30:05,412 --> 01:30:07,173
Speaker 4: out there in the middle of the summer having to

1922
01:30:07,213 --> 01:30:08,892
Speaker 4: do this job sweat buckets.

1923
01:30:09,853 --> 01:30:14,253
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's right, and over and over in Queensland, the

1924
01:30:14,333 --> 01:30:20,852
Speaker 14: council workers clearing motorway berms and mowing lawns and stuff.

1925
01:30:21,053 --> 01:30:23,133
Speaker 14: By law they have to wear the long pants and

1926
01:30:23,173 --> 01:30:26,253
Speaker 14: the long shirts and thirty five degree heat and it's

1927
01:30:26,253 --> 01:30:28,532
Speaker 14: just a health and safety thing and those guys are suffering,

1928
01:30:28,853 --> 01:30:29,412
Speaker 14: I'm sure.

1929
01:30:29,652 --> 01:30:34,173
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrible, it's terrible, Mike, Thank you very much and

1930
01:30:34,213 --> 01:30:36,092
Speaker 4: all the beasts with that. Hopefully you get your boss

1931
01:30:36,093 --> 01:30:36,612
Speaker 4: to change that.

1932
01:30:37,213 --> 01:30:37,933
Speaker 5: Thank you very much. O.

1933
01:30:37,973 --> 01:30:39,732
Speaker 4: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1934
01:30:39,893 --> 01:30:42,213
Speaker 2: I'm a trade and I have all my guys dicked

1935
01:30:42,213 --> 01:30:45,492
Speaker 2: out in the same outfits. It just looks very very professional. Yeah,

1936
01:30:45,572 --> 01:30:46,093
Speaker 2: I like that.

1937
01:30:46,133 --> 01:30:46,932
Speaker 5: Well that's a good point.

1938
01:30:46,973 --> 01:30:48,892
Speaker 4: So trading turns up to your house, say you need

1939
01:30:48,933 --> 01:30:50,892
Speaker 4: some plumbing done, and he turns up and he's got

1940
01:30:50,893 --> 01:30:52,892
Speaker 4: a nice college shirt and it says the name of

1941
01:30:52,893 --> 01:30:55,652
Speaker 4: the business on the shirt, versus some guy that just

1942
01:30:55,692 --> 01:30:58,293
Speaker 4: turns up in a single. Who are you gonna go

1943
01:30:58,372 --> 01:30:59,452
Speaker 4: with again the second time?

1944
01:31:01,372 --> 01:31:01,812
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1945
01:31:01,853 --> 01:31:05,652
Speaker 4: Well the guy with the college shirt and you know,

1946
01:31:06,293 --> 01:31:08,333
Speaker 4: I like that. Yeah, Ilice, it's a good lot.

1947
01:31:08,452 --> 01:31:10,893
Speaker 2: We should get there for the Matt and Tyler afternoons,

1948
01:31:11,213 --> 01:31:12,932
Speaker 2: so you don't have to decide what you wear every day.

1949
01:31:12,973 --> 01:31:15,652
Speaker 2: You just have the polo with the little embroidered patch

1950
01:31:15,652 --> 01:31:17,213
Speaker 2: on it saying your name, so I don't forget what

1951
01:31:17,293 --> 01:31:19,812
Speaker 2: your name is. And ZIBB on the other side, we

1952
01:31:19,812 --> 01:31:22,372
Speaker 2: can just extend it to everybody. Was at BurgerKing recently

1953
01:31:22,492 --> 01:31:25,253
Speaker 2: served by the biggest woman I've ever met who clothes

1954
01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:26,213
Speaker 2: ruined the food for me.

1955
01:31:26,452 --> 01:31:30,453
Speaker 4: Okay, well, sorry, sorry to go to McDonald's next time's.

1956
01:31:30,492 --> 01:31:32,333
Speaker 2: There's a couple of issues that you're conflating there.

1957
01:31:32,412 --> 01:31:36,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh, here we go, Tyler. I'm not sure

1958
01:31:36,492 --> 01:31:38,173
Speaker 4: there is an actual topic. Let's go back to talk

1959
01:31:38,173 --> 01:31:40,452
Speaker 4: about the army. Yeah maybe one day, Ben, maybe one

1960
01:31:40,532 --> 01:31:43,412
Speaker 4: day eighty Yeah, another course.

1961
01:31:43,412 --> 01:31:44,692
Speaker 2: As we were saying, for this was the topic that

1962
01:31:44,772 --> 01:31:47,892
Speaker 2: Tyler wanted to talk about, the three strikes. If it

1963
01:31:47,893 --> 01:31:50,932
Speaker 2: doesn't work, he's out for forgetting another topic across the line.

1964
01:31:50,933 --> 01:31:52,652
Speaker 2: But so you know, if you think it's a good topic,

1965
01:31:52,652 --> 01:31:53,972
Speaker 2: we'd like to hear from you as well. On nine

1966
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:54,852
Speaker 2: two nine two.

1967
01:31:54,893 --> 01:31:57,133
Speaker 4: Yeah, they come. Fantastic topic. And it is twenty two

1968
01:31:57,173 --> 01:32:02,772
Speaker 4: past three. Back in a month, Matt.

1969
01:32:02,612 --> 01:32:06,253
Speaker 1: Heathen Tayler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten

1970
01:32:06,293 --> 01:32:07,932
Speaker 1: eighty on us talk ZB.

1971
01:32:08,372 --> 01:32:10,852
Speaker 4: Afternoon, twenty four past three. We're talking about dress codes

1972
01:32:10,933 --> 01:32:13,932
Speaker 4: at work? Are they imported in O eight one hundred

1973
01:32:13,933 --> 01:32:14,852
Speaker 4: and eighty ten eighty.

1974
01:32:15,893 --> 01:32:18,253
Speaker 2: So Matt says the text you can wear chanels, et

1975
01:32:18,293 --> 01:32:19,812
Speaker 2: cetera at work because no one can see you, But

1976
01:32:19,853 --> 01:32:22,253
Speaker 2: what about all your workmates in the office by your

1977
01:32:22,253 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 2: reckoning as long as the public can't see you, like

1978
01:32:24,812 --> 01:32:28,133
Speaker 2: ninety percent of workforce, go for it. We are what

1979
01:32:28,173 --> 01:32:30,452
Speaker 2: you want from Roscoe. Roscoe. And then he came back

1980
01:32:30,452 --> 01:32:33,093
Speaker 2: and said, and while I was texting you, a cow

1981
01:32:33,253 --> 01:32:35,293
Speaker 2: just shat all down my back, Roscoe.

1982
01:32:35,492 --> 01:32:36,692
Speaker 5: Sorry about the second part, Roscoe.

1983
01:32:36,732 --> 01:32:39,053
Speaker 2: I mean that's what happens. I mean that that is

1984
01:32:39,093 --> 01:32:44,093
Speaker 2: absolutely true, isn't it? Because the way when when I lock,

1985
01:32:45,213 --> 01:32:48,652
Speaker 2: the way I address may be offensive to the office workers.

1986
01:32:48,692 --> 01:32:49,253
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

1987
01:32:49,532 --> 01:32:51,253
Speaker 4: But that was done on purpose though, wasn't it When

1988
01:32:51,253 --> 01:32:53,213
Speaker 4: you nationally came in here, you just kick the door down.

1989
01:32:53,293 --> 01:32:54,173
Speaker 2: Now I want to make a statement.

1990
01:32:54,253 --> 01:32:56,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm coming in and I don't care what you think.

1991
01:32:56,652 --> 01:32:57,333
Speaker 5: Well, then you changed.

1992
01:32:57,492 --> 01:33:00,932
Speaker 2: Darcy wears a you know, matching pink outfit. Sometimes he'll

1993
01:33:00,933 --> 01:33:02,692
Speaker 2: be in like a pink singleton hat.

1994
01:33:02,492 --> 01:33:07,052
Speaker 4: And in a throng yeah, and some jandles, sometimes a mullet, yeah,

1995
01:33:07,053 --> 01:33:07,572
Speaker 4: sometimes not.

1996
01:33:08,372 --> 01:33:11,093
Speaker 2: Sometimes I wear a three piece suit to work as well. Yeah,

1997
01:33:11,253 --> 01:33:12,053
Speaker 2: depending how I feel it.

1998
01:33:12,213 --> 01:33:13,412
Speaker 5: Yeah, those are weird days.

1999
01:33:13,452 --> 01:33:13,692
Speaker 4: Peter.

2000
01:33:14,293 --> 01:33:18,612
Speaker 13: You're a pilot, Yeah, so I can remember in New

2001
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:21,972
Speaker 13: Zealand the pilot strike and I was only about twentieth time.

2002
01:33:22,133 --> 01:33:25,372
Speaker 13: I was buying people from Christa's Talkland and the people

2003
01:33:25,412 --> 01:33:30,812
Speaker 13: had the smallest plane, cheapest plane, had sometimes the best uniform.

2004
01:33:31,333 --> 01:33:35,052
Speaker 13: But when I was working with in Singapore, they had

2005
01:33:35,093 --> 01:33:38,973
Speaker 13: one of the Limpool sevens in those days, going from

2006
01:33:39,293 --> 01:33:44,932
Speaker 13: Los Angeles and their captain was ill, and they had

2007
01:33:44,973 --> 01:33:48,772
Speaker 13: another captain going back home from holiday, and he took

2008
01:33:48,853 --> 01:33:52,372
Speaker 13: over Musty Bear. And when he got back to Singapore,

2009
01:33:53,372 --> 01:33:55,533
Speaker 13: the company gave him an extra two days holidays.

2010
01:33:56,612 --> 01:33:59,173
Speaker 2: Why did they give him the two days holiday because

2011
01:33:59,173 --> 01:33:59,612
Speaker 2: he worked?

2012
01:33:59,812 --> 01:34:02,972
Speaker 4: Oh right, yeah, a pilot and a pilot of Rusty.

2013
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 4: I know, I don't that I need to see the

2014
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:07,892
Speaker 4: cap I need to see the smart dress to know

2015
01:34:07,933 --> 01:34:08,492
Speaker 4: that I'm in good.

2016
01:34:08,692 --> 01:34:10,293
Speaker 2: I want to see the stripes, don't you.

2017
01:34:10,692 --> 01:34:13,932
Speaker 13: That's all I told him the summer. You just want

2018
01:34:14,013 --> 01:34:15,853
Speaker 13: the songs and you know sure.

2019
01:34:16,133 --> 01:34:18,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, because if he rocks on board with a Hawaiian

2020
01:34:18,492 --> 01:34:20,053
Speaker 4: shirt and then walks into the cock.

2021
01:34:20,093 --> 01:34:21,852
Speaker 5: But I'm thinking, what's going on here? This is not

2022
01:34:21,933 --> 01:34:25,173
Speaker 5: good Peter. That's a good story. Thank you very much, mate.

2023
01:34:25,973 --> 01:34:30,372
Speaker 4: Okay, have a good afternoon. A couple of texts here.

2024
01:34:30,412 --> 01:34:33,932
Speaker 4: The only uniform you need for the Mett and Tyler

2025
01:34:34,013 --> 01:34:35,852
Speaker 4: show is a couple of blouses.

2026
01:34:36,013 --> 01:34:37,452
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, good too.

2027
01:34:37,692 --> 01:34:40,333
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a couple of big girls blousers fresh show.

2028
01:34:40,452 --> 01:34:41,333
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'd like that.

2029
01:34:41,492 --> 01:34:44,092
Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing wrong with quite comfortable.

2030
01:34:44,133 --> 01:34:47,652
Speaker 2: So like that. My father always said, don't dress the

2031
01:34:47,732 --> 01:34:49,732
Speaker 2: job you have, but for the job you want.

2032
01:34:49,973 --> 01:34:51,012
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good advice.

2033
01:34:51,372 --> 01:34:54,813
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, so.

2034
01:34:54,053 --> 01:34:54,972
Speaker 5: What are you projecting?

2035
01:34:55,853 --> 01:34:57,852
Speaker 2: Well, I actually think that's a bit unfair. I think

2036
01:34:57,853 --> 01:34:59,852
Speaker 2: I've dressed. I think I actually dress pretty nicely.

2037
01:35:00,213 --> 01:35:01,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, dress very smartly.

2038
01:35:01,772 --> 01:35:03,973
Speaker 2: This is a loath. This was a three hundred and

2039
01:35:04,013 --> 01:35:06,572
Speaker 2: fifty dollars Marino jump on the four hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah,

2040
01:35:06,612 --> 01:35:09,892
Speaker 2: that's that's the real deal, mate, I'm messing around. So

2041
01:35:10,372 --> 01:35:12,253
Speaker 2: you know, just if you knew a little bit more

2042
01:35:12,333 --> 01:35:16,532
Speaker 2: about you know, quality garment tree, then you wouldn't be

2043
01:35:16,612 --> 01:35:17,333
Speaker 2: questioning what I'm wearing?

2044
01:35:17,372 --> 01:35:19,652
Speaker 4: Three fifty was that? How much has that come off?

2045
01:35:19,652 --> 01:35:22,372
Speaker 4: Shrik the sheep himself or something? There's a lot of money.

2046
01:35:22,173 --> 01:35:24,732
Speaker 2: It was with that shirt there? What's that is that?

2047
01:35:25,173 --> 01:35:26,213
Speaker 5: This is one from Connor.

2048
01:35:26,333 --> 01:35:30,692
Speaker 4: This would be worth approximately fifty five dollars.

2049
01:35:31,013 --> 01:35:32,213
Speaker 5: Yeah you can tell, can't you?

2050
01:35:32,253 --> 01:35:35,532
Speaker 2: And it looks every one of those fifty five dollars.

2051
01:35:36,732 --> 01:35:39,812
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, it's good if retail or service workers. We're

2052
01:35:39,812 --> 01:35:42,492
Speaker 4: a uniform so that customers know who is staff if

2053
01:35:42,492 --> 01:35:45,293
Speaker 4: they need assistance. Regards from Tracy is a great point.

2054
01:35:45,412 --> 01:35:47,492
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've got a bunch of Bunnings gear

2055
01:35:47,853 --> 01:35:50,452
Speaker 2: and that I've been given over the years. And I

2056
01:35:50,492 --> 01:35:52,452
Speaker 2: was in a Bunnings once just wearing my Bunnings T

2057
01:35:52,572 --> 01:35:54,892
Speaker 2: shirt you were, and someone came up asked me, and

2058
01:35:54,933 --> 01:35:57,053
Speaker 2: I forgot what I was wearing, and they asked me

2059
01:35:57,692 --> 01:35:59,652
Speaker 2: for the aisle for something. I was like, oh, I

2060
01:35:59,652 --> 01:36:01,812
Speaker 2: don't know, and I tried to answer, but I didn't

2061
01:36:01,812 --> 01:36:03,532
Speaker 2: but didn't know. And then I thought, oh, right, I'm

2062
01:36:03,532 --> 01:36:06,093
Speaker 2: wearing the Bunnings T shirts that it appears that I work here,

2063
01:36:06,412 --> 01:36:09,253
Speaker 2: but I'm just wearing it because it's a fashionable T shirt.

2064
01:36:09,933 --> 01:36:12,093
Speaker 4: Right, Very good chat, Thank you very much, and thank

2065
01:36:12,093 --> 01:36:13,732
Speaker 4: you to everybody who takes through to say. It was

2066
01:36:13,732 --> 01:36:16,572
Speaker 4: a fantastic topic, and Tyler, you need to take the

2067
01:36:16,652 --> 01:36:17,452
Speaker 4: lead more often.

2068
01:36:17,692 --> 01:36:20,692
Speaker 2: You've just reviewed, You're reviewed it as a very good topic,

2069
01:36:20,973 --> 01:36:23,333
Speaker 2: you know what, Tyler. I think it was a good topic. Yeah,

2070
01:36:23,372 --> 01:36:24,612
Speaker 2: I think it was a good topic and I'm glad

2071
01:36:24,612 --> 01:36:25,692
Speaker 2: we got to it after three days.

2072
01:36:25,692 --> 01:36:27,652
Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with a bunt, you know, get a few

2073
01:36:27,652 --> 01:36:30,372
Speaker 4: strikes and then take a bunt and take a walk. Congratulations,

2074
01:36:30,372 --> 01:36:33,293
Speaker 4: Good on you very much. It is twenty eight past three.

2075
01:36:33,372 --> 01:36:37,053
Speaker 4: Gareth Abnor Abdnor coming up, and so now is your

2076
01:36:37,093 --> 01:36:39,532
Speaker 4: time to get an eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2077
01:36:39,532 --> 01:36:41,333
Speaker 4: always popular. But if you've got a problem at your

2078
01:36:41,572 --> 01:36:43,452
Speaker 4: place of work, here is the man to chat. Two

2079
01:36:43,853 --> 01:36:46,932
Speaker 4: headlines coming up twenty nine past three.

2080
01:36:49,612 --> 01:36:53,213
Speaker 6: You talk, said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2081
01:36:53,293 --> 01:36:56,692
Speaker 6: no trouble with a blue bubble. Parliament is now debating

2082
01:36:56,692 --> 01:37:00,932
Speaker 6: a hastily introduced bill changing rules on gender based pay

2083
01:37:00,973 --> 01:37:05,213
Speaker 6: equity claims and pausing current claims. The Government's pushing the

2084
01:37:05,213 --> 01:37:09,133
Speaker 6: bill through under urgency and faced harsh opposition criticism at

2085
01:37:09,213 --> 01:37:14,173
Speaker 6: question time earlier. Today, businesses appear to be reducing full

2086
01:37:14,253 --> 01:37:17,932
Speaker 6: time hires, with full time worker numbers falling by forty

2087
01:37:17,933 --> 01:37:21,572
Speaker 6: five thousand over the year and part time employment growing

2088
01:37:21,692 --> 01:37:26,052
Speaker 6: twenty five thousand. The unemployment rate stayed unchanged on five

2089
01:37:26,093 --> 01:37:30,132
Speaker 6: point one percent for the March quarter. The Party martis

2090
01:37:30,173 --> 01:37:34,333
Speaker 6: apologizing for its social media leak yesterday, relating to Parliament's

2091
01:37:34,333 --> 01:37:38,452
Speaker 6: Privileges committees to liberations regarding party members who did a

2092
01:37:38,532 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 6: hacker in the House last year. Our Reserve Bank's Financial

2093
01:37:42,772 --> 01:37:46,572
Speaker 6: Stability report says US tariffs increase the chances of an

2094
01:37:46,572 --> 01:37:50,253
Speaker 6: economic slow down, but we're well placed to weather the risk.

2095
01:37:51,173 --> 01:37:55,133
Speaker 6: Another venomous sea snake has washed ashore dead on great

2096
01:37:55,173 --> 01:37:58,293
Speaker 6: Barriers at ang Yahu Flat Island. It's the third in

2097
01:37:58,333 --> 01:38:02,652
Speaker 6: the past two weeks. Airfares too high, inter City says

2098
01:38:02,893 --> 01:38:06,173
Speaker 6: take the bus ahead of new electric bus launch. You

2099
01:38:06,213 --> 01:38:08,772
Speaker 6: can read more at Ens and Herald Premium Are back

2100
01:38:08,772 --> 01:38:10,293
Speaker 6: to Mattiethan Tyler Adams.

2101
01:38:10,372 --> 01:38:14,533
Speaker 4: Thank you, Raylen. Gareth Abdenaw is an employment workplace information

2102
01:38:14,692 --> 01:38:17,812
Speaker 4: expert and director of abdenaor Employment Law. He joins us

2103
01:38:17,812 --> 01:38:21,573
Speaker 4: once a month on ask the expert to answer your questions.

2104
01:38:21,572 --> 01:38:23,492
Speaker 4: If you've got a problem in your workplace, or you're

2105
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:25,613
Speaker 4: the boss and you've got some issues with your employees,

2106
01:38:25,812 --> 01:38:28,852
Speaker 4: here is the man to chat to. Gareth. Hello to you,

2107
01:38:29,013 --> 01:38:29,772
Speaker 4: been a long time.

2108
01:38:30,412 --> 01:38:32,372
Speaker 23: Good day guys, It's great to be back.

2109
01:38:32,973 --> 01:38:35,053
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've got

2110
01:38:35,053 --> 01:38:38,173
Speaker 2: a question for Gareth, let's start with a text here.

2111
01:38:38,293 --> 01:38:41,852
Speaker 2: I've been told I cannot smoke outside my workplace. It's

2112
01:38:41,893 --> 01:38:44,652
Speaker 2: my lunch break. How can they tell me where and

2113
01:38:44,652 --> 01:38:47,053
Speaker 2: where not to smoke? I get not smoking in the

2114
01:38:47,053 --> 01:38:49,612
Speaker 2: bathroom and office, but outside. How much control do they

2115
01:38:49,692 --> 01:38:50,093
Speaker 2: have on me?

2116
01:38:51,853 --> 01:38:54,532
Speaker 23: Well, that's a tricky one. And it's been a long

2117
01:38:54,572 --> 01:38:57,293
Speaker 23: time since I've been asked a question about smoking. I've

2118
01:38:57,333 --> 01:39:04,333
Speaker 23: thought everybody fake these days. Yeah, the the anti smoking

2119
01:39:04,532 --> 01:39:09,492
Speaker 23: legislation sets out the requirements and powers. However, there is

2120
01:39:09,572 --> 01:39:14,253
Speaker 23: also the ability for employers to give a reasonable instruction. Now,

2121
01:39:15,133 --> 01:39:17,612
Speaker 23: one thing that occurs to me is it's really not

2122
01:39:17,692 --> 01:39:21,412
Speaker 23: a great lock for the company or the business to

2123
01:39:21,492 --> 01:39:24,932
Speaker 23: have the staff standing on the footpath directly outside smoking,

2124
01:39:25,772 --> 01:39:29,972
Speaker 23: especially if they're blowing that secondhand smoke into customers' faces.

2125
01:39:31,093 --> 01:39:33,892
Speaker 23: So it will really come down to what the business

2126
01:39:33,973 --> 01:39:39,213
Speaker 23: is and exactly where this person is standing. But maybe

2127
01:39:39,213 --> 01:39:40,652
Speaker 23: they should try and kick the s eggs.

2128
01:39:41,452 --> 01:39:42,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, good advice.

2129
01:39:42,492 --> 01:39:46,812
Speaker 2: So does your workplace own you on your because you're

2130
01:39:46,812 --> 01:39:48,812
Speaker 2: not often for lunch breaks? You get half now, but

2131
01:39:48,853 --> 01:39:51,452
Speaker 2: that's a period of time where you're not getting paid.

2132
01:39:51,973 --> 01:39:55,772
Speaker 2: So do they own your behavior during that half hour?

2133
01:39:56,612 --> 01:39:57,492
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying.

2134
01:39:57,853 --> 01:40:00,293
Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, totally. And I guess it depends if you

2135
01:40:00,333 --> 01:40:06,013
Speaker 23: can be identified as a staff member. If you if

2136
01:40:06,013 --> 01:40:08,973
Speaker 23: you go across the road to the FOD court and

2137
01:40:09,013 --> 01:40:11,572
Speaker 23: you're still wearing your uniform and you pick up a

2138
01:40:11,652 --> 01:40:15,412
Speaker 23: ruckers growing a, you're going to you're going to be

2139
01:40:15,412 --> 01:40:15,892
Speaker 23: in trouble.

2140
01:40:16,053 --> 01:40:16,933
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2141
01:40:17,013 --> 01:40:20,652
Speaker 23: But if you're if you're dressed dressed in mufty and

2142
01:40:21,133 --> 01:40:24,652
Speaker 23: no one knows where you work, and it's far more

2143
01:40:24,692 --> 01:40:28,173
Speaker 23: difficult for an employer to be able to control you.

2144
01:40:28,213 --> 01:40:30,972
Speaker 4: Do they have to provide a space for smokers or vapors?

2145
01:40:31,053 --> 01:40:33,053
Speaker 4: Is that part of legislation or that's just out of

2146
01:40:33,053 --> 01:40:35,092
Speaker 4: the goodness of their heart. If they're a good worker,

2147
01:40:35,133 --> 01:40:36,372
Speaker 4: they'll provide you a space.

2148
01:40:36,372 --> 01:40:37,372
Speaker 5: You can do that in your break.

2149
01:40:38,013 --> 01:40:41,173
Speaker 23: That is such a good question, Tyler. You know, it's

2150
01:40:41,173 --> 01:40:44,013
Speaker 23: been so long since someone's asked me about smoking. I

2151
01:40:44,053 --> 01:40:48,572
Speaker 23: do vaguely recall that a lot of businesses when this

2152
01:40:48,652 --> 01:40:54,333
Speaker 23: first came in, had designated smoking spaces, but gosh, I

2153
01:40:54,372 --> 01:40:56,293
Speaker 23: didn't even know that was really a thing anymore.

2154
01:40:56,293 --> 01:40:58,133
Speaker 4: You have to be money bags to smoke these days.

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01:40:59,492 --> 01:41:01,692
Speaker 2: And my take out a mortgage to the pack and

2156
01:41:01,772 --> 01:41:04,492
Speaker 2: my previous job, we set up a bit of some

2157
01:41:04,612 --> 01:41:07,253
Speaker 2: smoking bait. We put up a fake sign in front

2158
01:41:07,293 --> 01:41:10,213
Speaker 2: of on a window saying smoking area, just to see

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01:41:10,213 --> 01:41:11,853
Speaker 2: if there were any smokers.

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Speaker 4: Of them.

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01:41:13,933 --> 01:41:15,572
Speaker 2: It was like the moths to a flame. There was

2162
01:41:15,612 --> 01:41:20,732
Speaker 2: only three or four smokers within half an hour. Hey, Gareth, Hi, Gareth,

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01:41:21,372 --> 01:41:24,012
Speaker 2: I have an employee who has requested a meeting regarding

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01:41:24,013 --> 01:41:26,492
Speaker 2: two letters of concern which have been issued to them

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01:41:26,492 --> 01:41:29,293
Speaker 2: in the last month. They've requested to bring to support

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01:41:29,333 --> 01:41:31,412
Speaker 2: people with them. Is this normal to have two? Or

2167
01:41:31,412 --> 01:41:34,412
Speaker 2: can I request they just bring one? I will only

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01:41:34,452 --> 01:41:37,013
Speaker 2: have one support person with me myself.

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01:41:38,492 --> 01:41:42,892
Speaker 23: I've never been asked that question before. I don't know

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01:41:42,933 --> 01:41:45,692
Speaker 23: why you would want to bring two support people when

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01:41:45,893 --> 01:41:48,053
Speaker 23: if I was the employer in that case, I'd be

2172
01:41:48,732 --> 01:41:52,892
Speaker 23: I'd be asking why and who these people are. There's

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01:41:52,933 --> 01:41:57,293
Speaker 23: a lot of confusion out there between the difference. You know,

2174
01:41:57,372 --> 01:42:02,012
Speaker 23: a support person is not a representative, and sometimes people

2175
01:42:02,093 --> 01:42:05,692
Speaker 23: get confused on that, and so, yes, of course you

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01:42:05,732 --> 01:42:08,973
Speaker 23: can bring a support person to a formal meeting, but

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01:42:09,093 --> 01:42:11,732
Speaker 23: this sounds like they just want to have a chat. Well,

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01:42:12,053 --> 01:42:14,612
Speaker 23: why do they need a support person? And who are

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01:42:14,652 --> 01:42:19,012
Speaker 23: these support people? You know, I can see situations where

2180
01:42:19,093 --> 01:42:22,333
Speaker 23: if you bring your work colleagues along that could really

2181
01:42:22,372 --> 01:42:25,932
Speaker 23: create some issues. So yeah, when in doubt.

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01:42:25,893 --> 01:42:29,412
Speaker 2: Ask Yeah, So the requested a meeting regarding two letters

2183
01:42:29,492 --> 01:42:31,692
Speaker 2: of concern which had been issued to them. Yeah, so

2184
01:42:32,133 --> 01:42:35,412
Speaker 2: it's a they are summoning the meeting, They're organizing the

2185
01:42:35,452 --> 01:42:37,213
Speaker 2: meeting and then bringing to support people.

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01:42:37,572 --> 01:42:41,133
Speaker 4: Really weird. Isn't it spread as part of the meeting

2187
01:42:41,173 --> 01:42:42,892
Speaker 4: and they just bring in some mates along the feet.

2188
01:42:42,973 --> 01:42:47,492
Speaker 2: It sounds it sounds a little bit like intimidation. Welcome

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01:42:47,492 --> 01:42:52,052
Speaker 2: to the So, Sandra, you've got a question for Gareth?

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01:42:53,412 --> 01:42:55,333
Speaker 4: Yes, I do five.

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01:42:55,452 --> 01:42:58,372
Speaker 9: That's kind of two Christians. I was on sick leave

2192
01:42:58,532 --> 01:43:02,492
Speaker 9: maybe three weeks ago and I messaged into my boss.

2193
01:43:02,532 --> 01:43:04,532
Speaker 9: That was fine, But later in the day she sends

2194
01:43:04,572 --> 01:43:06,652
Speaker 9: me a long text message asking me if I can

2195
01:43:06,692 --> 01:43:11,772
Speaker 9: work extra hours going forward permanently, And it felt a

2196
01:43:11,812 --> 01:43:14,933
Speaker 9: bit like harassment because there were probably three tecks that

2197
01:43:15,093 --> 01:43:19,333
Speaker 9: day about several different things. And now I'm on acc

2198
01:43:19,572 --> 01:43:22,213
Speaker 9: leave and whilst I've only been on it for a

2199
01:43:22,253 --> 01:43:27,573
Speaker 9: week that she has messaged me through outlook my performance

2200
01:43:27,612 --> 01:43:29,893
Speaker 9: review and that's up coming, and to look at the

2201
01:43:30,093 --> 01:43:33,692
Speaker 9: documents regarding that, and I'm like, can I just be

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01:43:33,812 --> 01:43:35,973
Speaker 9: left alone to be on leave or do I have

2203
01:43:36,053 --> 01:43:37,812
Speaker 9: to respond to all.

2204
01:43:37,692 --> 01:43:39,213
Speaker 11: Of these requests?

2205
01:43:39,372 --> 01:43:40,052
Speaker 9: What is fare?

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01:43:41,652 --> 01:43:42,012
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2207
01:43:42,213 --> 01:43:45,572
Speaker 23: And you know, when you're unwell, you want to be

2208
01:43:45,572 --> 01:43:51,412
Speaker 23: focusing on your recovery, not not work stuff. While it's

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01:43:51,732 --> 01:43:55,532
Speaker 23: not prohibited for an employer to contact an employee while

2210
01:43:55,532 --> 01:43:59,173
Speaker 23: they're on sick leave, they need to act reasonably, and

2211
01:43:59,253 --> 01:44:03,333
Speaker 23: it certainly doesn't sound like these things are urgent and

2212
01:44:03,492 --> 01:44:08,333
Speaker 23: couldn't wait. There's nothing wrong with you asking your employee

2213
01:44:08,572 --> 01:44:13,253
Speaker 23: to wait until you are fitting back to work, but

2214
01:44:13,652 --> 01:44:16,692
Speaker 23: as always, I highly recommend that you do that in

2215
01:44:16,732 --> 01:44:21,652
Speaker 23: a polite and professional way. If they don't listen to that,

2216
01:44:21,933 --> 01:44:24,812
Speaker 23: then they may be giving you grounds for a grievance.

2217
01:44:26,812 --> 01:44:29,812
Speaker 9: Yes, that's fair enough. I just haven't responded to the

2218
01:44:29,973 --> 01:44:31,053
Speaker 9: emails about.

2219
01:44:30,812 --> 01:44:31,692
Speaker 11: The format reviewers.

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01:44:31,692 --> 01:44:34,412
Speaker 9: That's say, Well, I'm not even a potage. But when

2221
01:44:34,412 --> 01:44:36,772
Speaker 9: you're on sick leave and you're still getting pets, which

2222
01:44:36,933 --> 01:44:39,732
Speaker 9: happens quite regularly I am on sick labor, I'll still

2223
01:44:39,732 --> 01:44:42,452
Speaker 9: get texts from the manager, and I just.

2224
01:44:42,452 --> 01:44:45,692
Speaker 22: Think it's a little bit of a boundary violation.

2225
01:44:45,973 --> 01:44:46,253
Speaker 11: Really.

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01:44:46,973 --> 01:44:48,372
Speaker 9: It seems about strange.

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01:44:48,452 --> 01:44:51,333
Speaker 23: Yeah, And unfortunately, in this day and age, you know,

2228
01:44:51,893 --> 01:44:54,612
Speaker 23: people are kind of expected to be available all of

2229
01:44:54,652 --> 01:44:59,053
Speaker 23: the time, and that's not strictly legal. It would be

2230
01:44:59,173 --> 01:45:01,732
Speaker 23: very difficult for your employer to take action against you

2231
01:45:01,853 --> 01:45:05,452
Speaker 23: if you just ignored those messages unless it was something

2232
01:45:05,612 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 23: urgent and really warranted and immediate response. I would certainly

2233
01:45:10,812 --> 01:45:15,093
Speaker 23: advise an employer that it's not likely to be appropriate

2234
01:45:15,173 --> 01:45:18,692
Speaker 23: to start renegotiating hours and things like that while someone's

2235
01:45:18,732 --> 01:45:22,892
Speaker 23: on sick leave unless there's a really urgent reason. But

2236
01:45:23,213 --> 01:45:27,893
Speaker 23: you know, people often forget good faith. There's a mutual obligation,

2237
01:45:28,053 --> 01:45:31,412
Speaker 23: and you know, if you're not happy about this, raise

2238
01:45:31,452 --> 01:45:34,812
Speaker 23: it in a constructive way and see how they respond.

2239
01:45:36,053 --> 01:45:37,812
Speaker 16: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Or the best Sandra, Hopefully that works out for you.

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01:45:40,053 --> 01:45:44,293
Speaker 4: I mean, that is an interesting scenario. Text here, Gareth.

2242
01:45:44,412 --> 01:45:48,133
Speaker 4: It says, Hi, I have an employee who's been on

2243
01:45:48,173 --> 01:45:52,333
Speaker 4: ACC for over eight months. Now, can we simply let

2244
01:45:52,372 --> 01:45:54,372
Speaker 4: them go with no repercussions?

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01:45:54,532 --> 01:46:01,092
Speaker 23: Anonymous No, I'm pretty straightforward answer there. Certainly, after someone's

2246
01:46:01,173 --> 01:46:04,253
Speaker 23: been away from work on ACC for eight months, I

2247
01:46:04,333 --> 01:46:08,333
Speaker 23: would definitely be engaging with them starting a formal comment

2248
01:46:08,333 --> 01:46:12,852
Speaker 23: consultation process. But you can't just let them go. That

2249
01:46:13,133 --> 01:46:16,973
Speaker 23: would be very high risk and almost inevitably lead to

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Speaker 23: a claim. But it would be very reasonable to start

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01:46:20,492 --> 01:46:23,612
Speaker 23: consulting with them over when they're likely to be fit

2252
01:46:23,692 --> 01:46:26,532
Speaker 23: to return to work, if there's going to be any

2253
01:46:26,572 --> 01:46:31,852
Speaker 23: restrictions on them when they come back. Often employers leave

2254
01:46:31,893 --> 01:46:35,492
Speaker 23: it far too long. One fish hook to keep in

2255
01:46:35,532 --> 01:46:39,172
Speaker 23: mind for employers is that while someone's way on acc

2256
01:46:39,333 --> 01:46:44,012
Speaker 23: they continue to accrue holiday pay entitlements. So the longer

2257
01:46:44,013 --> 01:46:48,052
Speaker 23: you leave it, if they do end up going, you're

2258
01:46:48,133 --> 01:46:50,652
Speaker 23: you're going to have to pay them more. So get

2259
01:46:50,692 --> 01:46:53,612
Speaker 23: onto it, consult with them and get the information you

2260
01:46:53,692 --> 01:46:54,732
Speaker 23: need to make a decision.

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01:46:55,053 --> 01:46:55,492
Speaker 5: Very good.

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01:46:55,612 --> 01:46:57,612
Speaker 4: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

2263
01:46:57,652 --> 01:46:59,652
Speaker 4: call if you've got a question for Garethe's brilliant. He's

2264
01:46:59,692 --> 01:47:01,972
Speaker 4: the man you need to chat to and you can

2265
01:47:02,013 --> 01:47:04,133
Speaker 4: do so, but you've got to be fast. So oh

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01:47:04,173 --> 01:47:06,053
Speaker 4: eight hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call.

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01:47:06,053 --> 01:47:08,652
Speaker 4: We'll have to take a quick break and back more

2268
01:47:08,692 --> 01:47:10,333
Speaker 4: of your questions for Gareth.

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01:47:10,333 --> 01:47:11,652
Speaker 5: It is nineteen to four.

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01:47:13,612 --> 01:47:17,973
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

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01:47:18,013 --> 01:47:20,812
Speaker 1: call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth talk.

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01:47:20,652 --> 01:47:23,892
Speaker 4: Said, be good afternoon. We are joined once again by

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01:47:23,893 --> 01:47:27,452
Speaker 4: Gareth Abdenoor. He is an employment workplace an information expert

2274
01:47:27,492 --> 01:47:31,052
Speaker 4: and the director of abdenaor Employment Law. He is brilliant.

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01:47:31,053 --> 01:47:33,013
Speaker 4: If you've got an issue at work, he is the

2276
01:47:33,013 --> 01:47:34,932
Speaker 4: man to chat to. And if you run a company

2277
01:47:34,973 --> 01:47:37,532
Speaker 4: and you've got some questions about some behavior that your

2278
01:47:37,532 --> 01:47:39,333
Speaker 4: employees are doing, he is the man you need to

2279
01:47:39,372 --> 01:47:41,333
Speaker 4: chat to. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

2280
01:47:41,372 --> 01:47:42,213
Speaker 4: the number to call.

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01:47:42,492 --> 01:47:46,812
Speaker 2: There's some confusing about the ACC question. Before I thought

2282
01:47:46,812 --> 01:47:49,253
Speaker 2: if you had someone this, Texas says. I thought, if

2283
01:47:49,253 --> 01:47:52,212
Speaker 2: you had someone on ACC in that position was vital

2284
01:47:52,612 --> 01:47:55,333
Speaker 2: to your business, then you could make them redundant after

2285
01:47:55,372 --> 01:47:56,053
Speaker 2: consulting them.

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01:47:56,812 --> 01:47:59,572
Speaker 23: Yeah, and the key part there matter is you have

2287
01:47:59,612 --> 01:48:02,293
Speaker 23: to consult with them. You can't just you can't just

2288
01:48:02,333 --> 01:48:06,293
Speaker 23: make someone redundant. And even if they're not a vital

2289
01:48:06,372 --> 01:48:10,173
Speaker 23: part of your business, if you consult with them, and

2290
01:48:10,253 --> 01:48:15,213
Speaker 23: it's not reasonable to keep that position open, especially in

2291
01:48:15,293 --> 01:48:18,372
Speaker 23: situations where it's not clear if they are actually going

2292
01:48:18,412 --> 01:48:21,053
Speaker 23: to be fit to return to work, then you might

2293
01:48:21,093 --> 01:48:24,613
Speaker 23: be able to terminate due to medical incapacity or medical retirement.

2294
01:48:25,732 --> 01:48:30,412
Speaker 23: So the texture is correct, but you have to go

2295
01:48:30,452 --> 01:48:32,052
Speaker 23: through that consultation process.

2296
01:48:32,853 --> 01:48:35,412
Speaker 2: Hi, Gareth, there's a perception amongst my team that every

2297
01:48:35,452 --> 01:48:38,293
Speaker 2: twelve months, almost today, they're entitled to a pay review.

2298
01:48:38,372 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 2: Is this just a perception or is this an actual

2299
01:48:40,572 --> 01:48:42,532
Speaker 2: legal obligation? Thanks very much, Mike.

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01:48:43,333 --> 01:48:47,773
Speaker 23: It really depends on what's in the employment agreement. Traditionally,

2301
01:48:48,372 --> 01:48:51,013
Speaker 23: there was a clause that said, every twelve months, we

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01:48:51,093 --> 01:48:53,692
Speaker 23: will give you a performance review and a pay review.

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01:48:54,532 --> 01:48:57,412
Speaker 23: That's becoming a lot less common and certainly it's not

2304
01:48:57,492 --> 01:49:00,892
Speaker 23: something I would recommend because you don't want to be

2305
01:49:00,973 --> 01:49:05,293
Speaker 23: held to that cycle. It is good to have regular reviews,

2306
01:49:05,293 --> 01:49:09,732
Speaker 23: but no, there's no requirement to give some one an

2307
01:49:09,772 --> 01:49:13,012
Speaker 23: annual pay review unless it's in the employment agreement.

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01:49:13,492 --> 01:49:15,972
Speaker 2: Very good, Mark, You have a contract question for Gareth.

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01:49:17,732 --> 01:49:21,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just found o that if I resigned that

2310
01:49:22,173 --> 01:49:25,052
Speaker 3: I have to I cannot work for some similar type

2311
01:49:25,053 --> 01:49:28,492
Speaker 3: of company for six months they are read out of

2312
01:49:28,532 --> 01:49:29,853
Speaker 3: it for another.

2313
01:49:30,933 --> 01:49:34,652
Speaker 23: Yeah, it really depends on what your job is and

2314
01:49:35,093 --> 01:49:39,572
Speaker 23: the industry. That's a restraint of trade provision. Now for

2315
01:49:39,612 --> 01:49:42,572
Speaker 23: that to be enforceable, it needs to be reasonable, and

2316
01:49:42,652 --> 01:49:46,012
Speaker 23: that comes down to the particular circumstances of your case.

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01:49:47,093 --> 01:49:50,892
Speaker 23: If you work in an industry where you have a

2318
01:49:50,933 --> 01:49:58,372
Speaker 23: lot of contact with suppliers and customers, and you competing

2319
01:49:59,293 --> 01:50:03,453
Speaker 23: within that six month period would be considered unfair competition,

2320
01:50:04,093 --> 01:50:07,293
Speaker 23: then you may be stuck with that. Certainly something that

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01:50:07,333 --> 01:50:10,173
Speaker 23: would be worth taking it vice on, Bob, because you

2322
01:50:10,173 --> 01:50:12,052
Speaker 23: don't want to be twiddling your thumbs for six months,

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01:50:12,053 --> 01:50:12,652
Speaker 23: that's for sure.

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01:50:14,692 --> 01:50:17,492
Speaker 3: I can so like if it in the same because

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01:50:17,532 --> 01:50:20,972
Speaker 3: there's only seven few companies that do what I do,

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01:50:21,173 --> 01:50:25,173
Speaker 3: so I just want to fare around.

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01:50:24,772 --> 01:50:25,173
Speaker 19: It or not.

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01:50:26,812 --> 01:50:29,932
Speaker 23: Well, you know, depending on the advice you get and

2329
01:50:30,053 --> 01:50:35,093
Speaker 23: your particular circumstances, it might not even be enforceable. Alternatively,

2330
01:50:35,173 --> 01:50:38,093
Speaker 23: you might be able to negotiate something with your employer.

2331
01:50:38,933 --> 01:50:42,892
Speaker 23: I've dealt with situations where people have agreed that they

2332
01:50:42,893 --> 01:50:47,892
Speaker 23: won't go after certain clients or they they won't unfairly compete.

2333
01:50:47,933 --> 01:50:50,452
Speaker 23: In situations like that, you may be able to come

2334
01:50:50,532 --> 01:50:53,492
Speaker 23: up with another arrangement. But the first step is you

2335
01:50:53,492 --> 01:50:56,093
Speaker 23: should get advice and find out if that restraint is

2336
01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:59,093
Speaker 23: actually enforceable or not, because if it's not, then you

2337
01:50:59,173 --> 01:51:03,772
Speaker 23: might be worrying about something that's not even a problem.

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01:51:04,293 --> 01:51:06,213
Speaker 16: So how do I find out who I can't hand.

2339
01:51:08,053 --> 01:51:08,293
Speaker 11: Yep?

2340
01:51:08,452 --> 01:51:13,973
Speaker 23: If you you could just contact the Law Society and

2341
01:51:14,612 --> 01:51:18,013
Speaker 23: find someone who is an employment specialist and they'll be

2342
01:51:18,053 --> 01:51:18,732
Speaker 23: able to help you.

2343
01:51:19,253 --> 01:51:19,893
Speaker 5: Good luck with that.

2344
01:51:20,053 --> 01:51:23,692
Speaker 4: Mark six months gare Gareth for a restrainted trade seems

2345
01:51:23,853 --> 01:51:26,372
Speaker 4: quite high. Is at the upper limit? Can it be

2346
01:51:26,412 --> 01:51:29,253
Speaker 4: more than six months? Or is that enthrined in legislation?

2347
01:51:30,933 --> 01:51:34,093
Speaker 23: Generally, the rule of thumb that we work on as

2348
01:51:34,173 --> 01:51:39,253
Speaker 23: three months is likely considered a reasonable period, but in

2349
01:51:39,293 --> 01:51:42,572
Speaker 23: some cases six months has been found to be reasonable,

2350
01:51:42,572 --> 01:51:45,772
Speaker 23: and even twelve months. Right, But you're right, six months

2351
01:51:45,893 --> 01:51:49,053
Speaker 23: is getting up there, and there needs to be particular

2352
01:51:49,452 --> 01:51:51,652
Speaker 23: reasons why at such a long period.

2353
01:51:52,213 --> 01:51:53,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, very good.

2354
01:51:53,492 --> 01:51:56,293
Speaker 2: Gareth Ebnow is an employment, workplace and information expert and

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01:51:56,333 --> 01:51:59,772
Speaker 2: director of Abnomore Employment Law. Oh wait, one hundred eighty

2356
01:51:59,853 --> 01:52:03,733
Speaker 2: ten eighty if you've got a question for him, Richie,

2357
01:52:03,933 --> 01:52:06,773
Speaker 2: you've got a question about benefits for union members.

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01:52:07,492 --> 01:52:10,892
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, I'm not an union member, but I wanted

2359
01:52:10,893 --> 01:52:14,812
Speaker 17: to know if you're working in a workplace with an

2360
01:52:14,893 --> 01:52:17,612
Speaker 17: union in it and they say it's up to you

2361
01:52:17,692 --> 01:52:20,492
Speaker 17: whether you want to join or not, then they when

2362
01:52:20,492 --> 01:52:24,173
Speaker 17: you don't join and they make rules or stuff for

2363
01:52:24,572 --> 01:52:28,013
Speaker 17: you not to get such of money. Is that a

2364
01:52:28,013 --> 01:52:33,053
Speaker 17: former bully.

2365
01:52:31,492 --> 01:52:36,892
Speaker 23: Yeah, it's it's quite unlikely that that would be considered bullying.

2366
01:52:37,053 --> 01:52:43,253
Speaker 23: There are special rules that prevent benefits that the union

2367
01:52:43,293 --> 01:52:46,492
Speaker 23: has negotiated from being passed on to non union members,

2368
01:52:47,452 --> 01:52:52,293
Speaker 23: because otherwise why would anyone join the union, And that

2369
01:52:52,452 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 23: situation may be perfectly acceptable. You know, of course, you

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Speaker 23: have the ability to try and negotiate better terms with

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Speaker 23: your employer if you're not a union member.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully that helps, Bridgie.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, but what's true stuff like equal pay for people?

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Speaker 17: How can it be equal pay if you're not in

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Speaker 17: an union.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, that's a that's a complicated question and not something

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Speaker 23: that I can answer over the radio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Richie, all the best, mates. Oh, one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've

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01:53:29,412 --> 01:53:31,812
Speaker 4: got a question for Gareth. Here is an employment Workplace

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Speaker 4: in Information expert and is taking your calls now is

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Speaker 4: your opportunity It is ten two four back for surely

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Speaker 4: Here on NEWSTALKSB.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons, Used doorgs,

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Speaker 1: EDB use DOGSBB Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: We're joined by Gareth Abdenor Employment Workplace and Information Expert

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Speaker 4: Taking your cause is also the director of Abdenor Employment Law.

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Speaker 4: Kevin Hello, met and Tyler hair game Mate. We've got

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Speaker 4: Gareth here standing by as well.

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Speaker 24: Yep, I'm on the I'm I'm on the I'm on

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Speaker 24: the one minute pressure point. So yeah, how are you young, Garrett?

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Speaker 23: I'm good, I'm good. How can I help?

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Speaker 24: Hey, So I've got a scenario. So I've been farming

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Speaker 24: on this farm here for three years now and the

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Speaker 24: farm had sold in November last year. Through the time

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Speaker 24: of here, I've occurred a lot of annual leave, and

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Speaker 24: as of Christmas, I was irried about fifty one days

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Speaker 24: of legoing. Now, so I'm getting to a point where

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Speaker 24: I'm on the last day tomorrow because I'm seeing the

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Speaker 24: rest of May out with annual but I'm still coming

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Speaker 24: out with about twenty five days of annual now. Because

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Speaker 24: I'm on over seventy K bracket of tax, is there

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Speaker 24: going to be a secondary tax or just normal tax

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Speaker 24: on that annual leave to be paid out?

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: My understanding is that when you owe that amount and

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Speaker 23: you're on that tax bracket, you're likely going to take

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Speaker 23: a big hit in tax payment on that payment, but

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Speaker 23: when it comes time to do your annual return, you're

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Speaker 23: likely to get some of that back. I want to

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Speaker 23: make it very clear though that I'm not an accountant

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Speaker 23: and I'm not a taxi expert, but usually when you

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Speaker 23: get those big final pay payouts, you do end up

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Speaker 23: paying more tax than you otherwise would, but you can

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Speaker 23: get it back later.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, brilliant.

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Speaker 4: Kevin all the best and Gareth thank you very much.

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01:55:24,893 --> 01:55:28,733
Speaker 4: As always, another brilliant session and some fascinating questions, so

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Speaker 4: we will get you back in about a month's time.

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Speaker 23: Fantastic, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 4: That is Gareth Abdenor. He is an employment, workplace and

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Speaker 4: information expert director of Abdenor Employment Law. You can check

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Speaker 4: out his website Abdenorlaw dot Nz. And just a reminder,

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Speaker 4: the content of the segment is general in nature and

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Speaker 4: is not legal advice. Any information discussed here is not

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Speaker 4: intended to be a substitute for obtaining specific professional advice

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01:55:52,293 --> 01:55:54,213
Speaker 4: and shouldn't be relied upon as such.

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