1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: We might be seeing the emergence of a new Murdoch 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: type media mogul family. The names you need to know 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: are Larry Allison of Oracle fame and his son David. 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: They're orchestrating a huge media consolidation controlling everything from paramount 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: cn CNN now TikTok Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds is 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: with us on this a Sam. 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Good ending here. So what are they up to? Well, 8 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 2: Larry certainly isn't slowing down today age eighty one, so 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: him and a son, David are attempting to bring a 10 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: bring together three things, so massive AI compute power via 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: Larry Larry's Oracle, cloud content via the as you said, 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: David Skydoun's paramount and potential social distribution via owning the 13 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: US arm of TikTok So first on the cloud compute side, 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: which will be key in modern media to enable AI 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: driven content creation and train recommendation engines. Oracle has kind 16 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 2: of always been the poor fourth cousin behind Amazon, Microsoft 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: and Google, but he didn't eye popping deal recently with 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: open Ai. You might have seen it. Saw Oracle stock 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: price shoot up about thirty percent in one day, so 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: that the guts of the deal was Ai signed a 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: contract to pay Oracle three hundred billion dollars over five 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: years to train and inference its AI models. And as 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: an aside here that let's not forget open AI only 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: has fifteen billion dollars in revenue in total today and 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: again it's signed up to pay just one of its suppliers, Oracle, 26 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: three hundred billion dollars. But let's ignore how frothy that 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: is for a minute. And second, on the content side, 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: they control Paramount, sky Dance and a rumored to be 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: making a bid for Warner Brothers, so if all that 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 2: comes together, they will control HBO, Paramount CBSCNN Showtime, and 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: two of the five classic old school movie studios. And finally, 32 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: on the New World distribution side, Oracle is leading a 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 2: consort consortium to buy eighty percent of tiktoks Us operations 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: for what is pretty much a sweetheart deal of fourteen 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: billion dollars, so one heck of a footprint. 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Okay, do you think they can pull this off? 37 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: They are in the box seat, so there's a few 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: pretty obvious things there. So it doesn't hurt that Larry 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: Flirted would being the richest man on the planet. Briefly 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago after that blowout deal with 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: open Ai was announced, and he is exceptionally tight with 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: President Trump. So he's headlining the project Stargate that you 43 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 2: and I talked about earlier in the year, which is 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: a half a trillion dollar public private USAI infrastructure project. 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 2: So and then of course he has a majority ownership 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: in Oracle and in Paramount sky Dance. Pluses, clout and 47 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: connections place them as the front runner to own TikTok. 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: So I think they're in good shape. 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Now is this what we want though? I mean, 50 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: do we want to see this kind of media consolidation? 51 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: What does it mean for investors? 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think ethically and from a democracy point of view, 53 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: there's obviously a lot of questions from a market point 54 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: of view. Like you said that, this very broad media 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: consolidation play is probably the most far reaching in a 56 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: long time. And the only deal in the last thirty 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: years that was this ambitious was the infamous Aol Time 58 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: Warner deal in the year two thousand, just before the 59 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: dot com bust. So, like this one, it was an 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 2: attempt to remember that word convergence we used to talk 61 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 2: about back in the day, it was an attempt to 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: merge New Age distribution via America Online AOL, being the 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: dominant Internet service provider. ISP is a blast from the 64 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: past at the time with content, But that one hundred 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: and eighty billion dollar deal failed spectacularly and destroyed a 66 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: ton of capital. So the current deal is as ambitious 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: and far reaching and has some of those frothy signs 68 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: of that one in two thousand, like the Oracle Open 69 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: AI deal today. However, if it does go ahead and 70 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: as successful, if linear TV wasn't dead already, it probably 71 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: will be. So this behemoth would control roughly half the 72 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: cable TV market in the US, and even streaming platforms 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: like Disneyplus and Netflix might come under pressure if you 74 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: and I start to watch all of our favorite friends 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: episodes and movies and CNN news directly on our TikTok apps. 76 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: Imagine that. But it might even pressure Bohemus. Like Meta 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: is uncertainty over the future of TikTok, and the US 78 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: had definitely temporarily shifted advertiser spend to Meta. So it 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: really is fascinating stuff. So we need to watch this space. 80 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: That really is quite interesting. Sam, Thanks so much. Sam, 81 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: Dickey Officier. 82 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: Funds for more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 83 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: Listen live to news talks. 84 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio