1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Barry Sopha here, hey, Barry, good afternoon. Right, So Barbara 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Edmonds has this is Labour's finance spokesperson. We've had the 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: high food numbers out and people have been rightly so putting, 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: laying a bit of blame at the feet of the 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: former Labor government and out comes to Barbara with a 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: Facebook post. What she said, Well, she posted a graph. 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: Goodness only knows where she got it from, but she's 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: taken it down incidentally since it was pointed out to her. 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 2: But she said that the durn Hipkins government reduced New 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 2: Zealand's debt levels by about thirty one billion dollars in 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: its second term. That's when Labor, of course was governing 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: on her own. Well, the graph appeared to show that 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: Labor repaid debt faster than any government. That's the graph 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: that she posted since nineteen seventy two. Can you imagine it. 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: So basically, the second term of the Labor government saw 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: essential increasing of debt significantly by about seventy two billion dollars. Now, 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: the Finance Minister Nikola Willis, she described the incident as 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: either a case of extraordinary physcal ignorance or wilful deception 19 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: either way. She said she didn't think it looked good 20 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: for barb Edmunds, and she's absolutely right on that. But 21 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: then Edmunds comes back after making the correction and not 22 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: even admitting she was wrong, but she said that Willis 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: was so desperate to distract her from mismanagement of the 24 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: economy that she's going after the social media post that 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: has since been corrected. She said, kiwis expect more of 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: the Minister of Finance. Well, I'm sorry. They also expect 27 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: more of the opposition spokesperson on finance. So I mean 28 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: it was a red faced day. I've got to say 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: for barbaraam Edmunds. 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you make a disown, it does own it. 31 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: And I have to hey, despit all this doom and 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: glooing the economic climate. The government's pushing ahead with replacing 33 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: the Air Force's passenger jets Berry. 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. It's not going to be a 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: cheap time for them. Is it that they're looking at 36 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: replacing them by the end of twenty twenty seven, which 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: is around the same time as they're replacing the two 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: cock straight ferries. So this is not going to come 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: cheap because they're looking at two planes at the moment 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: Boeing seven three seven Max eight or an Airbus three 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 2: to one that Chris Luxon would know very well because 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: it's the most common plane at Air New Zealand. But 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: essentially we've been embarrassed internationally by our Air Force jets, 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: haven't we. I mean I've been on them, You've been 45 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: on them, and they I remember running a book once 46 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: to see when would be the first port of call 47 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: that we would break down, and well, we're on the 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: way to Darwin, but we had to sidetrack at one 49 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: point to Brisbane and sent twenty four to forty eight 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: hours there while the plane was fixed. And if you're 51 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: leading a trade delegation overseas, you've really got to be 52 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: able to fly the flag. But you've got to ensure 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: that these planes work. So they're going to be costly, 54 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. The defense the Defense Ministry says 55 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: that it's going to tender now in order to secure 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: the replacement by the end of twenty twenty seven. They 57 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: won't come cheap, but you know, you've got to say, 58 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: and I think everyone would agree, the current seven five 59 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: sevens are old, unreliable, and they're far too expensive to maintain. 60 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: And they're an embarrassment. Chris Luxon has found them embarrassing. 61 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: Remember that trip he did recently to Japan. And that's 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: all a costly rescue effort for the media and the 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: business delegation who was trended in Papua New guineas Chris 64 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: Luckson flew on before them. 65 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, if you don't even make it to Darwin, 66 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: you know you're having a bad day. 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 68 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: We had a lot of fun on those planes Bury, 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: but we don't talk. 70 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: They were party planes in the old days, so these 71 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: days I don't think right. 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: No, the Maori party talking about well, this story is 73 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: quite interesting, so that there's three different versions of it 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: actually depending on which party you are. But apparently the Labor, 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: the Greens and the Party Malori are working closely to 76 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: help each other towards the government. 77 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you say, they're all telling well, at 78 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: least one of them is telling a bit of a 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: different story. Labor says discussions between the three are quite 80 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: casual and informal, but the Greens say they're meeting regularly 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: and planning on formalizing that arrangement. The idea came from 82 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: Debi No revera packer. She says they needed to get 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 2: past themselves and collaborate, they said, She said, they've worked 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: well with the Greens in the past and they now 85 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: figure out how to team up with Labor. Well, I'll 86 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: tell you what. Some of the antics that the Maori 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: Party gone up to would be nothing short of embarrassing 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: for the Labor Party. But the Multi Party are determined 89 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: this will be a one term government and they say 90 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: they have to do business. Well, I would say that 91 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 2: would be a worry. If you think you've got the 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 2: coalition of chaos at the moment, you're going to have 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: the coalition of calamity if these three get together. 94 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, Barry, thank you very much for that. Barry Soper, 95 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: our senior political correspondent. 96 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplicy Allen Drive, listen live to 97 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 98 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.