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Speaker 1: Right now, there are calls for an overhaul of the

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Speaker 1: apprenticeship system. A new report from the New Zealand Initiative

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Speaker 1: you might have heard it on Mike Costking this morning,

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Speaker 1: found that eleven percent of sixteen to nineteen year olds

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Speaker 1: are unemployed, but just six percent participate in workplace training.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you've got a whole bunch of people

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Speaker 1: who are doing nothing and not many who are doing

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Speaker 1: something useful. The initiative says the era is in the

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Speaker 1: school's promoting universities over other avenues, even though only a

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Speaker 1: third end up at university. Dave Strong is the managing

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Speaker 1: director at Morinsville Plumbing and Gases. With Me now, Kida, Dave,

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Speaker 1: how A, you're on very good. Yeah, good to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show. Thanks, thanks having with me? Is think,

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Speaker 1: what's the problem here? Are we not promoting this in

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Speaker 1: the right way? Are young people not interested in apprenticeships?

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Speaker 1: What's going wrong.

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Speaker 2: All of that? We don't seem to be recognized as

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Speaker 2: a career, you know, we go back to the old

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Speaker 2: where well you're you're a tradee whereas we're actually qualified

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Speaker 2: professionals now, but no one seems to want to recognize

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Speaker 2: that as an alternative to the recognition we get if

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Speaker 2: we have you know, half of our students go to

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Speaker 2: university against the half of them went on became plumbers, builders,

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Speaker 2: electricians and in the trades. So for some reason, schools

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Speaker 2: gain accolades for people going on to the so called

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Speaker 2: higher echelon of learning, which is the universities, than the

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Speaker 2: recognization that as a trades person we actually have to

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Speaker 2: sit unit standards and pass exams to become qualified in

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Speaker 2: what we do.

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Speaker 1: How much work class time is there? And what do

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Speaker 1: you get paid if you're doing an apprenticeship these days?

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Speaker 2: Well, most apprentices well depending on who employs them, but

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Speaker 2: most apprentices are starting on between nineteen and twenty one

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Speaker 2: dollars an hour in the in the pump industry. That's

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Speaker 2: all I can probably talk for at this stage. And

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Speaker 2: then you know, by the time they've done their four

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Speaker 2: to five years of on the job and wind tech

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Speaker 2: or polytech training, they will probably come out on the

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Speaker 2: maybe the thirty five to forty dollars range.

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Speaker 1: And what is the what is the you know, with

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Speaker 1: the number of people who are going to university doing

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Speaker 1: their degrees and then end up working doing nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the degree. What do you think needs to

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Speaker 1: change to encourage those people to come and do a trade.

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Speaker 2: I suppose it's easy for students to go to university

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Speaker 2: for the fact that they can go and get a

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Speaker 2: loan and go along and it's advertised it's trade as

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Speaker 2: the optimum thing to do in your life is to

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Speaker 2: get a degree. What people seem to forget is that

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Speaker 2: we actually have degrees. I have a degree as a

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Speaker 2: plumber and grain layer. You know, my staff for plumbers, guesses,

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Speaker 2: drain layers, we do know associated trade electrical so were

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Speaker 2: we have qualifications, but it doesn't seem to have the

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Speaker 2: recognition of a bachelor or a master's degree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, Dave, thank you very much for that. Dave

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Speaker 1: Strong as the managing director at Mourrinsville Plumbing and Gas Services,

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Speaker 1: making me a good point. Eleven minutes after six when

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Speaker 1: I left school, my dad said go and get a trade.

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Speaker 1: He was not in favor of me going to university,

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Speaker 1: and I was a little geek, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go study politics. And thankfully when I

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Speaker 1: got to UNI, I studied politics and realized that most

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Speaker 1: people in the class were wacko, and so added a

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Speaker 1: commerce degree. On just for Good meeting, which I think

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Speaker 1: is probably a good thing. If you are going to

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Speaker 1: go to university, don't just go and do an arts degree,

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Speaker 1: for God's sakes. But I do look at that. I

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Speaker 1: mean people, a lot of my friends when in God

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Speaker 1: at trades. They are way better off financially than people

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Speaker 1: who go to university. They are earning from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: They say for a house, sooner, they get the house sooner.

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Speaker 1: Once they've got the house, they can actually fix it.

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