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Speaker 1: Mike the mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate altogether

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Speaker 2: Togs Head be Why were welcome today? COVID Part two,

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Speaker 2: The Airlines, the War and the Price of a ticket,

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Speaker 2: good news on housing, Mark and Jinny with politics. Wednesday after,

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Speaker 2: wrote Richard Arnold stateside, of course, Steve Price is in

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Speaker 2: from Australia. Pasky here, Welcome to the day seven past

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Speaker 2: six as a high exercise. It had a certain bullishness

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Speaker 2: to it, I thought, but the upbeat reaction to the

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Speaker 2: war being over did not last. Given it isn't in

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Speaker 2: the time between what was it eight o'clockish yesterday in

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Speaker 2: about eleven o'club by the time he hit the microphone.

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Speaker 2: It was essentially an example of a SoundBite versus a

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Speaker 2: reality check. What Trump says can move markets, and we

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Speaker 2: saw that yesterday, but what he said in front of

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Speaker 2: the press was not the same is what he said

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Speaker 2: earlier in the day that drove the earl price down.

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Speaker 2: We need to win some more and then the language

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Speaker 2: is the lesson. The guy makes it up, can win.

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Speaker 2: It can be over until you need to win some more.

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Speaker 2: So it isn't over. We got the reiteration of the hyperbole.

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Speaker 2: It's like nothing we've ever seen. We can do it

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Speaker 2: the hard way, we can do it the easy way.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's the hard way. It was just a

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Speaker 2: machine gun spray of gibberish line with the side of

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Speaker 2: bollocks that had zero coherence, limited thought given to messaging,

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Speaker 2: and a large dollop of meism. As he returned over

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Speaker 2: and over again to himself. A question is asked, The

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Speaker 2: answer may or may not have any relevance to it.

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Speaker 2: Another question is asked. The exercises repeated until the last question.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know it was the last question, but when

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Speaker 2: they asked about the eight deaths, he said, he admit

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Speaker 2: the appearance. All amazing people, every single one of them

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Speaker 2: had told him to finish the job. And with that

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Speaker 2: he walked. He does that, by the way, extremely well.

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Speaker 2: Luxeon could actually take notes on that. He often struggles

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Speaker 2: with ending oppressor. If you've ever seen lux and he

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Speaker 2: says last question, then takes four more trump stops, turns, walks.

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Speaker 2: He then mouths some stuff to some off stage person,

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Speaker 2: thumbs up all that so anyway bad news for us.

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Speaker 2: By the way, someone asked about the straight up of

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Speaker 2: merse he said he would like to help, but it

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Speaker 2: would be mainly help the Chinese, given America doesn't get

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Speaker 2: the oil through the Strait. Of course, America also gets

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Speaker 2: the oil, he told us, through Venezuela these days, which

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Speaker 2: is apparently going well. And Delcy's another amazing person, and

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Speaker 2: that model could be used in Iran. An internal leader.

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Speaker 2: He liked the model internal or eternal if you think

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Speaker 2: about it, he said. I did think about it, but

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Speaker 2: it still didn't make any sense. If anything was to

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Speaker 2: be taken out of it. It's back to pr spin.

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Speaker 2: They're winning big lee. They have no navy, they have

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Speaker 2: nothing in America's going to finish the job, whatever that means.

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Speaker 2: If you thought it really was over sucked and good,

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Speaker 2: it was as satisfying as the Dorito.

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Speaker 1: Who News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: During Chief's Boss. He's been back with an update.

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Speaker 3: Bombers recently dropped dozens of two thousand pounds GPS penetrating

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Speaker 3: weapons on deeply buried missile archers across the southern flank.

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Speaker 3: We also have struck several one way drone factories.

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Speaker 2: Hig Seth, by the way, was interesting inasmuch as he

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Speaker 2: said today is going to be the biggest bombing die yet.

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Speaker 2: But he also repeated this big.

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Speaker 4: Mistake by the Irani regime to start targeting its neighbors

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Speaker 4: right away, exposing who they are and what they're all about.

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Speaker 2: Indiscriminate targeting, flailing recklessly.

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Speaker 5: I can't say that we anticipated necessarily that's exactly how

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Speaker 6: We knew it was a possibility.

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Speaker 2: Probably the biggest surprise of the war that as far

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Speaker 2: as boss, as we mentioned yesterday, was a bit of

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Speaker 2: hype theater. But the issue of the school is still

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Speaker 2: a problem that required some trump hisk imagination.

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Speaker 5: But tomahawks are used by others, as you know, numerous

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Speaker 5: other nations have tomahawks. They buy them from US. But

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Speaker 5: I will certainly whatever the report shows, I'm willing to

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Speaker 2: As for Around's new man, mainly Israelis don't think it's good.

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Speaker 7: We want to remove for the long term existential threats

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Speaker 7: from Iran to Israel. It is hard to see it

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Speaker 7: with the current regime. Is the new Homine. The new

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Speaker 7: Homine is not less extremists than.

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Speaker 2: The previous Germans, why didn't relact.

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Speaker 8: We still have a regime in Tehran which formula is

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Speaker 8: clearly its main political goal, and this is to eliminate

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Speaker 8: the state of Israel. And this cannot be neglected, especially

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Speaker 2: And we have yet another wonk explaining that if I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've worked this out yet, but if

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Speaker 4: Both the spot prices and the market expectations of futures prices,

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Speaker 4: which are particularly important for the off gem price cap.

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Speaker 4: By the end of this year, we think the level

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Speaker 4: of price about one and highest of the inflation rate

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Speaker 4: would end the year not near two, but neither three.

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Speaker 2: Finally, another new study has found that muscle strength and

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Speaker 2: women over sixties plays a critical role in determining longevity.

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Speaker 2: This is the University of Buffalo looked at five thousand

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Speaker 2: women age between sixty three and ninety nine. Those who

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Speaker 2: had stronger group strength and could do five of those

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Speaker 2: unassisted sit to stand chair raisers had a significantly decreased

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Speaker 2: risk of early death. See muscle and bone streak. That's

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Speaker 2: everything news of the world in Man. You want something

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Speaker 2: a bit upbeat, This morning on him. I've got a

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Speaker 2: bloke called David. David Roaches. His name is from Quantum Strategy.

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Speaker 2: He appears on CNBC quite a lot. He expects reserves

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Speaker 2: can sufficiently support world demand. The world is not going

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Speaker 2: to run out of oil. He believes Arun can't afford

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Speaker 2: to escalate the war further and therefore will not engage militarily.

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Speaker 2: On the straight. Up a moose and it should be

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Speaker 2: opened fully in two to three weeks.

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Speaker 1: Twelve past six, the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Very bullish. News out of China. Trade surplus up highest

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Speaker 2: on record. This is for jan and fair massively beat expectations.

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Speaker 2: Exports up twenty two percent, imports up almost twenty percent,

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Speaker 2: Trade with the US down seventeen percent, trade with the

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Speaker 2: EU up twenty percent. They're all reasonable numbers. Fifteen parts.

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Speaker 2: Sure, and partner's Andrew kellaher good morning, very good morning mine,

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Speaker 2: and say what you want about him. But he did

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Speaker 2: jaw bone it successfully down, didn't he?

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Speaker 9: Yes, well yeah he did. You're talking about Trump.

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Speaker 10: This is after the sort of topsy turvy that we've

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Speaker 9: But that was actually just Monday.

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Speaker 10: Look, there's still plenty of nervousness out there, and we

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Speaker 9: We did hear a great comment on Monday.

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Speaker 10: Actually, if somebody said we're only a single tweet away

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Speaker 10: from the conflict being over. It does all revolve around

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Speaker 10: regaining reasonable transport through the Straits of Four Mores, And

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Speaker 10: restarts not as simple.

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Speaker 10: Although Mike yesterday, the CEO of Saudi A Ramco, did

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Speaker 9: If you cast your across the share markets yesterday.

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Speaker 10: Asian markets during the day yes day were an absolute

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Speaker 10: And an example of that, the ASX two hundred was

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Speaker 10: down two five percent on Monday. It only rebounded just

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Speaker 9: Also just quickly updating people on New.

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Speaker 9: In the wholesale markets.

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Speaker 10: Yesterday they fell, but only half the amount they sold

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Speaker 10: Describe it as being mixed messages out of the US administration.

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Speaker 10: Trump said the war would end very soon. He said

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Speaker 10: My take is there's still a unhealthy amount of uncertainty here.

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Speaker 9: It's not quite over yet.

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Speaker 10: Yes, very difficult times around national carrier airlines are tough

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Speaker 10: you just can't control. Think COVID and fuel prices come

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Speaker 10: the thing here, Mike, is that the business was struggling anyway.

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Speaker 10: You know, if I want to use a boxing analogy,

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Speaker 10: effective cost of a barer of jet fulls almost doubled.

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Speaker 9: The company was assuming it would lose about.

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Speaker 10: The same amount of money in the second half of

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Speaker 10: to meaningfully affect second half earnings, And there's been a

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Speaker 10: lot of questions about it. Couldn't they hedge this stuff

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Speaker 10: while they were actually hedging the Brent crude price, not

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Speaker 10: the difference the crack spread. Isn't that a wonderful name,

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Speaker 10: that crackspread? So they need to take action. They are

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Speaker 10: just the networking schedules required. Somebody did very grimly remind

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Speaker 10: me yesterday, Mike, that October this year will be the

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Speaker 10: twenty fifth anniversary of the two thousand and one rescue

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Speaker 10: plan and nationalization.

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Speaker 2: So let's hope that there before list and were short

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Speaker 2: on time, just give us a quickie on the truckometer,

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Speaker 2: because need some good news.

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Speaker 10: Good news, nice bounced light Trophic innis lifted two and

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Speaker 10: a half percent in February or just under that. Monthly

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Speaker 9: Strongest in the growth of three years.

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Speaker 11: And I'll delve with the fact that that's.

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Speaker 12: Every conversation to have about chess.

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Speaker 1: Well eventually discussed anelbeads.

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Speaker 13: I only know when I sit down at the board,

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Speaker 2: Than healthy kid. I am a god. He's got provided.

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Speaker 14: Tending the chess world into chaos.

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Speaker 2: They were paranoid thinking he was getting help from somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: It's completely delutional.

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Speaker 2: Comes untold Chess Mates, Netflix, April seventy so you don't

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Speaker 2: Well at the point, I mean, if you're buying the

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Speaker 1: Life your Way, News, togsad be good news?

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Speaker 2: Does mend? Brent Crew at eighty two and WTI down

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Speaker 2: couple of moments because the wall's over. Oh an, I

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Speaker 2: Richard Arnold shortly our good news back home, though from

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Speaker 2: the Housing Department, affordability is near decade best levels. This

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Speaker 2: old value to income ratios fall into seven point two.

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Speaker 2: This is for the December quarter. By the way, movement

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Speaker 2: to and mortgage servicing it's down to forty two percent

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Speaker 2: It was once a time, once upon a time, thirteen

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Speaker 2: is with us. Calvin, good morning, good mon. That forty

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Speaker 16: Oh yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 16: But once they've cleared that hurdle, actually servicing the mortgage

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Speaker 2: The deposit thing though, at nine point six that these

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Speaker 2: They're getting in with a lot less given that we've

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Speaker 2: it would appear correct me if I'm wrong, it would

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Speaker 16: I mean there's a bank that is the OLVR rules

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Speaker 2: For sure, banks have pulled back on what they think

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Speaker 2: Does this sort of material change that in other words

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Speaker 16: I think this, I mean, here's the old car analogy.

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Speaker 16: There are things like the DT eyes, but it straights

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, Kelvin. Good to have you on the program,

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Speaker 2: as always, Kelvin Davidson out of cautality from trade me

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Speaker 2: of because what you ask for and what you get

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Speaker 2: not very good. But the rest of the country seems

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Speaker 2: to be doing okay. And we've got to stop this

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Speaker 2: handbreak thing. How long before because most handbreaks are automatic

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Speaker 2: now therefore we don't apply the handbrake anymore, So how

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Speaker 2: long before we don't go? Well, it's the old car

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Speaker 2: analogy with the handbreak. There is no handbreak, so we

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Speaker 2: can't do it. There's still an accelerator. And my next

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Speaker 2: question was is you can petrol electric? Given that's you know,

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Speaker 2: that's front of mind at the moment. But anyway, I'll

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Speaker 2: move on now nineteen to two.

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Speaker 2: But it's all good at Milford pasking. Hopefully when people

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Speaker 2: go to the boating booth Mike and November, they remember

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Speaker 2: from the COVID inquiry the appalling abuse of power labor

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Speaker 2: held over us. That's my working theory on it.

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Speaker 9: Mike.

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Speaker 2: How come Iran can block the strata for moose when

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Speaker 2: the Navy's destroyed? Not a bad question? Answer shortly six forty.

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Speaker 15: Five International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, Peace of

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Speaker 15: mind for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 2: Rich cananal state side morning.

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Speaker 18: Very good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: So it's over until it isn't.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, mixed messages. Right, here's the war on a run

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Speaker 18: near its end or at its beginning. You can take

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Speaker 18: your pick from these Trump comments over just the past

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Speaker 18: several hours.

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Speaker 5: It's going to be a short term excursion. Will not

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Speaker 5: relent until the enemy is totally and decisively defeated. We've

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Speaker 5: already won in many ways, but we haven't won enough.

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Speaker 5: We're achieving major strides toward completing our military objective, and

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Speaker 5: some people could say they're pretty well complete. I could

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Speaker 5: call it, or we could go further.

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Speaker 18: Okay, then what we can say is that some of

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Speaker 18: Trump's toughest language is about oil being blocked from the

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Speaker 18: straight of Hormos, because that can affect everyone. Already, we

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Speaker 18: see the financial markets bouncing around. Saudi Arabia's Aramco will

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Speaker 18: because it will export it says there will be quite

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Speaker 18: catastrophic consequences if Iran continues to obstruct that passage. Trump

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Speaker 18: has raised the idea of having the US police that zone,

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Speaker 18: but former CICHI for time General David Petraea says that's

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Speaker 18: easiest said than done if the war does not end

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Speaker 18: and in soon.

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Speaker 19: He says, if it doesn't, we're going to have to

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Speaker 19: start escorting tankers, creating a safe corridor through the Gulf

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Speaker 19: and also out of the Strait of Hermus. And that's

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Speaker 19: a major military mission to take on. And although we've

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Speaker 19: degraded their navy very considerably, there still are many subs,

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Speaker 19: fast boats, the missiles that could cause problems, drones and

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Speaker 19: so forth.

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Speaker 18: So there's part of the answer to the question you

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Speaker 18: just raised. The effects on petrol prices here have been instant,

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Speaker 18: even though the US is actually an oil export of

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Speaker 18: these times. So why did prices surge here about what

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Speaker 18: half a minute after the war started. It's because oil

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Speaker 18: prices are set as a world market, So there's global

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Speaker 18: crude prices rocketed to a more than three year high

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Speaker 18: this week before eating but pinning near one hundred and

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Speaker 18: twenty US barrel dollars A barrel the oil producer that

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Speaker 18: I'm going to sell it here for half that, So

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Speaker 18: folks at gas stations are stunned.

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Speaker 5: Ridiculous, crazy, insane.

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Speaker 9: I couldn't afford to fill it.

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Speaker 17: May take.

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Speaker 19: I'm kind of afraid that it's gonna go up higher

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Speaker 19: in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 18: Could do this is of course the US election year.

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Speaker 18: The Trump team worried they could lose control of both

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Speaker 18: the House and the Senate with this playing into it.

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Speaker 18: Trump has said refuel prices.

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Speaker 5: And new oil prices would go up if I did this,

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Speaker 5: and they've got up probably less than I thought they'd

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Speaker 5: go out.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, that can to satisfy no one. By the way,

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Speaker 18: when Los Angeles petrol station just posted self served prices

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Speaker 18: at the equivalent of three dollars sixty four New Zealand

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Speaker 18: per liter, that is way above the norm even in California.

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Speaker 18: But yeah, the Poles are showing this war is opposed

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Speaker 18: by most Americans, so that it is a sharp difference

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Speaker 18: from conflicts in the past. When the US went to

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Speaker 18: war with Afghanistan, there was initially ninety two percent support.

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Speaker 18: Of course, that was right after septembery eleventh for the

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Speaker 18: Persian Gulf ward nineteen ninety one, initial backing was eighty

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Speaker 18: two percent for the Iraq war. In O three it

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Speaker 18: was seventy six percent. A royt A's IPSOS poll here

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Speaker 18: has support for the Iran war at twenty seven percent.

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Speaker 18: As to the military action, there is still concern over

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Speaker 18: the partially and rich Uranian that was very underrubble during

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Speaker 18: the June attacks on Iran last year. Then there is

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Speaker 18: a question about who Trump can deal with. Now the

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Speaker 18: old Iyatoler is dead and his second son, Maurris s Tabor,

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Speaker 18: how many is the chosen replacement. This is someone who

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Speaker 18: lost in the US Australian attack so far, his father,

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Speaker 18: his wife, and his son. So replacing the old Iotoler

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Speaker 18: with a younger, angrier Iotol, he's not someone Trump can

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Speaker 18: deal with. And he says now, I.

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Speaker 5: Was disappointed because we think it's going to lead to

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Speaker 5: just more of the same problem for the country. So

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Speaker 5: I was disappointed to see their choice.

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Speaker 18: Trump also is refusing to take responsibility for the deadly

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Speaker 18: Runnian school strike at the start of the war, or

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Speaker 18: at least one hundred and seventy five people, mostly children,

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Speaker 18: were said to have been killed. The New York Times

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Speaker 18: is saying now that mangled missile. Fragments from the site

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Speaker 18: show the markings of American Tomahawk cruise missile, including serial numbers,

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Speaker 18: as the US was said to have been targeting an

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Speaker 18: adjacent naval base. Trump claims it is still an open question,

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Speaker 18: still being investigated, and says the American made Tomahawk missiles.

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Speaker 5: You know, is sold and used by other countries, you

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Speaker 5: know that. And whether it's Iran, who also has some Tomahawks.

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Speaker 5: They wish they had more. But whether it's Iran or

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Speaker 5: somebody else, the fact that tomahawk or tomahawk is very

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Speaker 5: generic are the countries. But that's being investigated.

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Speaker 18: Simply untrue. Iran has no Tomahawks in any country the

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Speaker 18: US has sold these missiles to would have required State

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Speaker 18: Department approva before any transfers to a third party like Iran.

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Speaker 2: See Friday Richard Arnold state side. They're also voting today

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Speaker 2: in Georgia. This is the fourteenth congressional district. Wise list

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Speaker 2: of interest, it's Marjorie Taylor Green. Of course she blew up.

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Speaker 2: She's gone. So it's a Republican stronghold. That's not really

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Speaker 2: the issue. But they need to work out who's going

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Speaker 2: to replace a Trump's got behind a guy called Clay Fuller.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is there are Democrats and Republicans in

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Speaker 2: the race, and there are seventeen candidates. So watch that

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Speaker 2: today with interest nine to seven, the mic asking Breakfast

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Speaker 2: with a Vida, Retirement, Communities News, togstead be Yeah, how

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Speaker 2: come Mike Iran can block the stratophor miss Well, they're

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Speaker 2: not blocking the stratopher mouse. The stratophor most isn't even closed.

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Speaker 2: They say it's closed, but it isn't. There's about one

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Speaker 2: and a half million barrels of oil going through there today.

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Speaker 2: The risk is the violence. You don't need a navy.

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Speaker 2: What you need because the thing's only three miles wide.

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Speaker 2: What you need is somebody standing on the side with

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Speaker 2: a drone launcher and off you go. In fact, for

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Speaker 2: a drone, you don't even need a launcher. That's their fear,

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Speaker 2: their fear. You don't need boats and ships and stuff

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Speaker 2: from the other side. All you need is some drones

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Speaker 2: and some missiles and some bombs.

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Speaker 6: And a threat.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, you just need a threat, and the insurance goes

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Speaker 2: through the roof. And people don't want to work on

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Speaker 2: the ships, and therefore they don't go through. But as

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Speaker 2: I told you yesterday, there are people willing to take

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Speaker 2: the risk. The price of a ship has gone up

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Speaker 2: substantially in the period of time, and there is oil

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Speaker 2: moving through it. Yesterday I note with a great deal

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Speaker 2: of interest actually that the Iranians are talking about the

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Speaker 2: potential of duties. So in other words, they'll open it

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Speaker 2: up for you if you pay them some money, because

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Speaker 2: of course they will need money to start rebuilding the place.

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Speaker 2: When this thing's finally over, five away from seven, all.

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Speaker 1: The inns are the ouse. It's the fizz with business favor.

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Speaker 15: Take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Moor Housing us Barfoot and Thompson. This time they got

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Speaker 2: their rental activity for Auckland, Northland in the Bay of Plenty.

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Speaker 2: What are we seeing here? Activity for February up again.

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Speaker 2: This is the third consecutive month of a rising demand.

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Speaker 2: Inquiries for rentals were up six point two percent in

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Speaker 2: feb compared with January and up thirty five percent year

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Speaker 2: on year. Applications up six point seven percent month on

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Speaker 2: month twenty eight percent year on year. Rents mostly unchanged,

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Speaker 2: which is encouraging Auckland. The average rent in February was

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Speaker 2: a couple of cents under sixty nine sevens. Let's call

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Speaker 2: it seven hundred, which is less than a dollar increase

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Speaker 2: on the three month average and only zero point seven

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Speaker 2: percent higher than a year ago. Now this is where

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Speaker 2: Luxon could help himself out. I'm watching question Time. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Hipkins alleged that rents had gone up significantly. The answer

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Speaker 2: is they haven't. We know they haven't. I've just given

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Speaker 2: you the facts that they haven't. Rents are not up.

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Speaker 2: And all the Luxon had to do is stand up

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Speaker 2: and go you're wrong. They're not up at all. Sit

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Speaker 2: back down, Boom done, Mike drop north and Hepkins had

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Speaker 2: a bad day yesterday. He's the only one left. I

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Speaker 2: kind of felt sorry for him. The COVID report came

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Speaker 2: out and they nailed them. They hammered him and they

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Speaker 2: would not let go, and he got about it. He

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Speaker 2: kept going point of order, point of border was to speak,

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Speaker 2: a point of order as sort of went nowhere. And

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Speaker 2: I felt bad for him, because, of course, was Robinson's

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Speaker 2: laughing all the way to the bank down at the

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Speaker 2: University of Otago, and Jacinda's at the beach and wherever

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Speaker 2: the hell she's at the beach, if you want to

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Speaker 2: know where you Cindra is, go to the Herald. Here

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Speaker 2: all the Herald love Jasindra doing breaks Instagram silence. I

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Speaker 2: thought tracker or something was el Whether they're bound to

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Speaker 2: be a live tracker along with the weather forecast? The

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Speaker 2: weather forecast and where's Jasinda currently? Rely on the Herald

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Speaker 2: for that? In Northland by plenty, rents have only gone

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Speaker 2: up zero point two percent month on month. Simming and

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Speaker 2: brown on the aforementioned does it? Does it solve any problems?

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Speaker 2: Another report into COVID will ask him some questions about

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Speaker 2: Welling seven past seven. So Part two of the COVID

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Speaker 2: inquiry has been released and said basically what you thought

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Speaker 2: would The initial response was balanced because no one had

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Speaker 2: a clue. But by the time they did, the power

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Speaker 2: had gone to the government's head and mistakes were being made.

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Speaker 2: Anger was building in, money was being wasted. Syming In

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Speaker 2: Browns the health man, good morning, good morning, Mike. Is

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Speaker 2: that a fair summation.

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Speaker 17: I think so.

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Speaker 20: I mean, I think for most New Zealanders that agreed

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Speaker 20: that the starting point of the response, New Zealands were

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Speaker 20: on board. They sacrificed a huge amount to save lives

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Speaker 20: and livelihoods. But as the pandemic continued, restrictions went on

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Speaker 20: for too long. And what this report highlights is those

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Speaker 20: restrictions went on beyond what Health advice said they should

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Speaker 20: and the government spent too much, causing many of the

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Speaker 20: challenges that we're facing today in terms of inflation, in

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Speaker 20: the economic impacts that we're still dealing with across New

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Speaker 20: Zealand right now.

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Speaker 2: And does this prove that the value we needed part

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Speaker 2: two because Part one was a stitch up, which is

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Speaker 2: ironic given the control freak government tried to control freak

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Speaker 2: themselves through the first COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 20: Look, absolutely this report was needed. The previous government did

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Speaker 20: not want the hard questions to be answered in relation

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Speaker 20: to the big calls. The first report didn't look at lockdowns,

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Speaker 20: didn't look at the vaccine mandates, didn't look at the

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Speaker 20: economic impact. And the reality for New Zealand is that

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Speaker 20: those lockdowns were significant, the economic impact. We're still paying

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Speaker 20: the consequences of that today, and of course there's been

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Speaker 20: some issues raised in relation to particularly childhood or teenage

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Speaker 20: vaccine mandates that have been brought to the light because

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Speaker 20: of this report. So this report was needed. It highlights

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Speaker 20: some significant lessons and listening to Cross Hopkins yesterday, it

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Speaker 20: appears he hasn't learned from them.

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Speaker 2: No, That's how I'm talking to him later. I worry

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Speaker 2: about that because I mean, what else can you do?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he took a beating yesterday because all of

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Speaker 2: his cohorts run for the hills. One doesn't even love

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Speaker 2: in the country anymore, in the others down south at

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Speaker 2: the university, and Nashley's not talking well. Ultimately, the.

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Speaker 20: Statement from the former Prime Minister c Cinderadan and Grant

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Speaker 20: Robinson said that they accepted all of the accepted the

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Speaker 20: report and its entirety. Chris Hopkins is saying he doesn't.

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Speaker 20: What that says is that he hasn't actually learned the

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Speaker 20: lessons from his time as Prime minister. And what it

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Speaker 20: says is New Zealanders were right to vote him out

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Speaker 20: at the twenty twenty three election and in November the seventh,

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Speaker 20: they'll be right to keep him out now.

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Speaker 2: See. That's when I can't work out, do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: People are over it and don't want to revisit it,

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Speaker 2: or people are still in the quiet of a ballot

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Speaker 2: box angry about it and will act in that sense.

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Speaker 20: Oh look, I think this was some of the biggest

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Speaker 20: decisions affecting New Zealander's lives and livelihoods in generations. People

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Speaker 20: remember this deeply, they feel it deeply. I was I'm

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Speaker 20: an imp in an Auckland electorate INMP for Pucket Hunger.

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Speaker 20: The people in my electorate couldn't see their loved ones

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Speaker 20: who were in hospital dying. They couldn't go and visit

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Speaker 20: family members outside of Auckland who were who were very unwell.

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Speaker 20: These fell came and sort help from me, and they

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Speaker 20: are still feeling angry about the decisions that were made.

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Speaker 20: And what this report says is those lockdowns did go

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Speaker 20: on too long. That restriction that boundary around Auckland in

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Speaker 20: twenty one twenty two wasn't necessary. That impacted people's lives.

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Speaker 20: It impacted their livelihoods, and the right thing for Chris

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Speaker 20: Hipkins to do is to learn the lessons. That's why

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Speaker 20: we did this report.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time Simming and Brown Health Minister Criss Hapkins

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Speaker 2: with us after the seventh thirty News ten minutes past

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Speaker 2: seven Pasco. The pressing matter is part of the oil

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Speaker 2: price fall out, seeing Air New Zealand of course suspend

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Speaker 2: their earnings guidance put their prices up. Kather Bryan's executive

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Speaker 2: director for the Border Airline Representatives and is back. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's Kath morning to you. Good morning mate, This is everybody.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're focusing on the New Zealand because we

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Speaker 2: go in the airline, but I mean contents have put

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Speaker 2: their prices up. Everyone's going to put their prices up,

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Speaker 2: aren't they.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly. You know, price rises are kind of inevitable

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Speaker 14: at the moment, and multiple airlines are responding.

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Speaker 2: Will we see demand drop because what we've learned out

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Speaker 2: of COVID is you can charge anything people want to

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Speaker 2: buy a seat.

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Speaker 14: Yeah. Look, I think we are going to see demand

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Speaker 14: changes and it is a little early to say, but

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Speaker 14: that increasing price of the travel and the challenge of

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Speaker 14: the travel depending on where you're going, you know, may

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Speaker 14: see people change their travel plans. And I think that's

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Speaker 14: a further effect that we yet to properly see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is there New Zealand an outlie given there in

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Speaker 2: a mixed state. Anyway, this has come along at the

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Speaker 2: worst possible time.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly they are already in a very difficult position,

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Speaker 14: and I think that's what sets them apart, you know

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Speaker 14: from other airlines making the same sorts of choices. They've

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Speaker 14: got fewer cards to play and they've very sensibly made

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Speaker 14: that decision to suspend guidance.

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Speaker 2: I've read United the bloke who runs United yesterday said yes,

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Speaker 2: it'll hit Q two for us. But we're seeing a

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Speaker 2: huge increase in demand out of the Middle East because

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Speaker 2: you can't go there for now, in through the America's

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Speaker 2: up through Asia. Does New in New Zealand gain from

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Speaker 2: that as well as people readjust their travel, Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 14: You know, there will be some change in travel and

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Speaker 14: potentially we might see more shorthaul for example, you know

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Speaker 14: from this market to the Australia or Pacific destinations, and

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Speaker 14: certainly in New Zealand will see some of that benefit,

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Speaker 14: but that might be more of a swap of demand

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Speaker 14: from one to another rather than new demand.

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Speaker 2: What about Nick Smith yesterday, the angstiness out of places

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Speaker 2: like Nelson root Cuts, is that real? And if it is,

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Speaker 2: how bad is that?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I think that's for in New Zealand to speak to

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Speaker 14: and I think you know that there will have to

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Speaker 14: be some difficult choices, and I think it's not clear

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Speaker 14: yet exactly what those will be.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Kath, nice to talk to you. Kathera Bryant, who's

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Speaker 2: with the border airline representatives Quantus they've said five percent.

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Speaker 2: They gave some numbers in New Zealand. Where's Nickel? By

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Speaker 2: the way, I mean, hello, Nicol, good morning. You might

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Speaker 2: want to talk heret But this reminds me of Greg

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Speaker 2: fur him when he first arrived in the country and

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Speaker 2: he didn't want to talk to us. He said his

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Speaker 2: head down was bum up and he had a COVID

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Speaker 2: problem to deal with, which is fair enough, but at

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Speaker 2: times like this, the head of a New Zealand needs

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Speaker 2: to be front and center. Quantus five percent, so in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand is saying like ten dollars a year, ninety

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Speaker 2: dollars off you on a flight. In New York, Quantas

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Speaker 2: are saying generally it'll very root to rout, but they're

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Speaker 2: talking about five percent. Thirteen past Pasky News though, AND's

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Speaker 2: COO who do the meat they've got some shipments to beat.

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Speaker 2: They're not overly exposed, but they've got some shipments up

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East. Here's the good news. Because it's chilled,

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Speaker 2: this is a long life. There's the advantage of refrigeration.

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Speaker 2: Their chilled stuff which is up in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: at the moment, lasts one hundred and twenty days, so

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Speaker 2: that's three months. So you'd be running. What would I

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Speaker 2: be running? I'd be going one twenty days? Is the

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Speaker 2: war still going old? And I thought, so, I reckon

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Speaker 2: I could get it to market. They're going to look

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Speaker 2: to bring some of it back and sell it domestically,

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Speaker 2: so it could be some could be some cheap steak

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Speaker 2: for you. So there's an upside to everything, isn't there.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen Past the.

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Speaker 2: as Kate morning, good morning. Jeez that that report you

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Speaker 2: put out. It's a big, thick, juicy number. I mean,

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Speaker 2: for goodness sake, how many pages you want to put

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Speaker 2: on that one? This morning greets me at three o'clock

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Speaker 2: in the morning, thought, what the hell's going on here?

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Speaker 21: Well, what better way to wake up than good news

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Speaker 21: is that wait times are down. Also good news is

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Speaker 21: that Kiwi's trust in technology is up. This is the

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Speaker 21: fourth year of our report that we produce or the

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Speaker 21: research and technology trust is on the way up. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 21: expectations of Qiwi customers is also on the way up

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Speaker 21: as well, so it's a bit of a race for

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Speaker 21: Kiwi businesses to keep up.

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Speaker 2: Have you dealt with tulip? Do you know what tulip is?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 21: As in the flower?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it's an AI generated voice. I think vector

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Speaker 2: run it and they go, I'm tulip, I can understand you,

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Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I don't know what I wanted to

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Speaker 2: whether I want to kill it or whether it's aptit.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me we're a mile off

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Speaker 2: in terms of AI. Have actually been useful or am

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Speaker 2: I just impatient?

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Speaker 21: Well, far beat from me to say that you're impatient, like,

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Speaker 21: But what I would say is that if you've got

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Speaker 21: AI that's masquerating as AI, and I don't know anything

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Speaker 21: about culip so I can't discuss on that one. But

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Speaker 21: if you've got AI that's not clever and doesn't feel

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Speaker 21: like a great experience for you, then that probably means

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Speaker 21: that you've got AI that is just for show. It's

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Speaker 21: not being connected up to all of the data and

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Speaker 21: the systems and the information that an organization holds about you,

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Speaker 21: because it's not really able to help you unless it's

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Speaker 21: got the real information about you as a customer's.

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Speaker 2: Asking for good answer because they don't on shore or offshore.

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Speaker 2: Where are we at with the onshore offshore thing in

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Speaker 2: terms of call centers and help and wait times and stuff.

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Speaker 21: Well, I don't think that that's necessarily the issue anymore

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Speaker 21: about where this thing is located, because where we're seeing

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Speaker 21: organizations get massive leaps and customer service, it's actually because

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Speaker 21: they're using AI and that technology investment is definitely starting

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Speaker 21: to pay off for them. You know, you talked about

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Speaker 21: the banks having a pretty good turn on the response

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Speaker 21: times and customer weights, et cetera. And that's because they've

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Speaker 21: been able to invest over the period of time. We're

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Speaker 21: definitely seeing customers say that they want to engage with

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Speaker 21: AI though, So seventy two percent of New Zealanders say

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Speaker 21: that they are willing to embrace AI and they actually

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Speaker 21: want to use self service first. That's a tipping point.

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Speaker 21: There is no going back on that, So.

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Speaker 6: That is the expectation.

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Speaker 21: They think that fifty five percent of key we say

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Speaker 21: that they'll get a benefit out of twenty four x

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Speaker 21: seven from AI and that they'll get improve feed efficiency.

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Speaker 21: So kiwis are saying, hey, I'm up for this, NHG.

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Speaker 21: I'd like you to use this technology. They're also saying

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Speaker 21: that wait times are a massive deal breaker for them.

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Speaker 21: So twenty percent of people will make a complaint, twenty

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Speaker 21: percent of people will request a refund, and half of

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Speaker 21: them will leave you after a bad customer experience. So

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Speaker 21: we've got to get this right.

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Speaker 2: Well done, Kate nice and I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 2: Kate Tolp, She's such a nice person. I will most

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Speaker 2: forgiven for the producing such a large report. Jack Dorsey

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Speaker 2: when she says AI Jackdawsy, what was the what's his thing?

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Speaker 2: The other day it's the art who Block was to

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Speaker 2: read a very good piece in the Australian media. They

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Speaker 2: said this real AI is real in terms of jobs,

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Speaker 2: those sort of jobs you talk about call centers. The

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Speaker 2: AI piece quote unquote is very real because there's an

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Speaker 2: argument around saying, are they sort of AI washing at

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Speaker 2: the moment, just pretending it's going to lose it? It's real.

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Speaker 2: There are going to be there's going to be a

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Speaker 2: swathe of jobs cleaned out because of AI, and that

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Speaker 2: we could it be argued that jobs to do with

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Speaker 2: social media weren't real jobs are the first one I

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Speaker 2: could argue that seven twenty.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you like value, let's be honest, who doesn't

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Speaker 2: You want to see chemist warehouse. They've they've got a

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Speaker 2: good deal or two this month. They've got a lot

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Speaker 2: of good deals this month. They've got their say hello

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Speaker 2: to savings. Much catalogs filled with savings store wide. So

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Speaker 2: vitamins yes, up to twenty five percent off the Good

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Speaker 2: Health range like the Good Health Magnesium sleep sixty bitch

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Speaker 2: caps just nineteen ninety nine save six sports nutrition. Yes,

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Speaker 2: twenty percent off the Optimum Nutrition Light, the one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent gold standard Way two point twenty seven kilo tub.

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Speaker 2: It's one hundred and thirty eight ninety nine. It's going

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Speaker 2: to last year forever. Here care What have we got there?

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Speaker 16: Off?

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Speaker 2: Forty percent off the Tresame shampoo and condition that's big

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Speaker 2: bottles to the nine to forty mili range. It's ten

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Speaker 2: ninety nine and so much more to be found across

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Speaker 2: all the favorite brands. We could be here for ours,

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Speaker 2: but I don't have time for that. Real value, real savings.

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Speaker 2: It's all at chemist Warehouse. Yes, in store, yes online, Yes,

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Speaker 2: open seven days a week from early till late, and

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Speaker 2: great savings every day. Yes, yes, yes, it's all at

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Speaker 2: chemist Warehouse. Skiing right seven twenty four. Some simple observations

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Speaker 2: on the COVID report Part two. One, it's cheaper than

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Speaker 2: the British equivalent finished last week that cost over half

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Speaker 2: a billion. Two it says pretty much what you thought

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Speaker 2: at would three. I'm convinced it's a waste of time

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Speaker 2: because a pandemic response is about the ideology, and government

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Speaker 2: did the day not medical process. Four Why do I

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Speaker 2: say that? Read the report. It says numerous times good

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Speaker 2: advice was ignored. Five did the Labour government broadly cock

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Speaker 2: it up?

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Speaker 11: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Six badly? Yes. Seven. The report says, at its heart

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Speaker 2: people tried hard. They wanted to do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: Eight is that acceptable answer? Sort of? But wanting to

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Speaker 2: do well isn't the same as actually doing well. Nine

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Speaker 2: It's hard to work out what's worse, the medical cockups

926
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Speaker 2: or the financial ones. Ten. Robinson and his economic vandalism

927
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Speaker 2: came out of it, probably as bad as Adirn in

928
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Speaker 2: her megalomania. Eleven They were too slow, I would argue,

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Speaker 2: because they were lazy. They sat in opposition for nine years,

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Speaker 2: not expecting to get to government. They weren't sharp already,

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Speaker 2: So not only did Winston hand them a lifeline, they

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Speaker 2: got a pay pandemic to boot. They never stood a

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Speaker 2: chance that weren't match fit Twelve. It's as much our

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Speaker 2: fault as anyone. A party that gets about thirty percent

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Speaker 2: support in any given MMP election in twenty twenty got fifty.

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Speaker 2: Too many of us love being told how to wipe

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Speaker 2: our bums, and too many of us were too lazy

938
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Speaker 2: to think and work out whether this was all heading thirteen,

939
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Speaker 2: the tide turned and given any response, pandemic or war

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Speaker 2: or just playing. Policy is reliant on public goodwill. Once

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Speaker 2: it did turn labor, we're done for fourteen. The factor

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Speaker 2: doourn can't live in the country tells you very clearly

943
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Speaker 2: how badly the tide turned. Fifteen. I'm no more confident

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Speaker 2: today we are any more ready for a pandemic, although

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Speaker 2: if we can take anything from the report sixteen, it's

946
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Speaker 2: the recommendation that public debt needs to drop so we

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Speaker 2: can be more ready for an unpredictable world war. Anyone

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Speaker 2: seventeen the report, Neither of them were really needed. We

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Speaker 2: are the experts. We lived through it. Some of us

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Speaker 2: still bear the scars. Asking Mike on the COVID report,

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Speaker 2: I firmly believe if this government tries to legislate a

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Speaker 2: better lockdown framework for future pandemics, they can forget it.

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Speaker 2: We will not comply. I broadly Trevor would agree with you.

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Speaker 2: How a government going forward handles any pandemic in future

955
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Speaker 2: is going to be going to be an interesting exercise.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope we don't have to deal with it. Mike,

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Speaker 2: the COVID response will inform my vote. Well, it must do,

958
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Speaker 2: mustn't it, because it's the financial fallout that we're still

959
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Speaker 2: dealing with, and it's the same people coming back for more.

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Speaker 2: Barbara Edmunds, Chrisipkins, Asha Verial, Jan Tinetti, Carmel Sepaloni. They're

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Speaker 2: not different. They haven't apologized, as Simeon said, they haven't reformed,

962
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Speaker 2: they haven't changed, and they want more of it. So

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Speaker 2: it's a weird thing. And that's part of the reason

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Speaker 2: why I say this government will get re elected. If

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Speaker 2: the previous labor government is to blame for the economy,

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Speaker 2: why is cost of living a global problem? Seems like

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Speaker 2: a bum wrap deon. The reason is it's an okay question.

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Speaker 2: It's not a great question, it's an okay question. The

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Speaker 2: reason is everyone broadly did the same thing. It's not

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Speaker 2: about how you reacted, it's to what extinct you reacted.

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Speaker 2: Everyone closed the door, everyone had a rule, one had

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Speaker 2: a mandate of some sort. It's how hard you went,

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Speaker 2: how informed you were or weren't, and how long all

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Speaker 2: that lasted that caused the problems. So you can do

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Speaker 2: the same thing but better than somebody else. We just

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Speaker 2: did it particularly poorly, Mike Cathay Pacific forty grand Australian

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Speaker 2: for a business ticket Sydney through to London and selling

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Speaker 2: out people still willing to bleed to get on a plane.

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Speaker 2: I keep telling you that's going to make no difference,

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Speaker 2: and the petrol's going to make no difference either. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we're at the point where anyone's going to

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Speaker 2: jump on a bus. Ah. Chris Hipkins, right, I need

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes to get ready for this. He's next.

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Speaker 1: No fluff, just facts and fierce debate. The mic Hosking

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Speaker 1: breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether better across residential, commercial

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Speaker 1: and rural news talks had been.

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Speaker 2: Politics Wednesday Uproade, Mark Mitchell, Jenny Anderson. It course me

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Speaker 2: in partly twenty three minutes away from Late Back two,

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Speaker 2: like COVID Part two, ironically released it as the country

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Speaker 2: faces its latest way. I'm told thirty one thousand submiss

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Speaker 2: were made. You know what it says by now, and

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Speaker 2: your response was fine. It went downhill from there. Chrishipkins

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Speaker 2: as the Labor leader and former COVID minister, of course,

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Speaker 2: and is with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 6: I'm please you haven't lost my number.

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Speaker 2: Completely, no worries at all. It's on a speed dial

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Speaker 2: for appropriate occasions. Should I feel sorry for you? I

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Speaker 2: felt a bit sorry for you yesterday getting beaten up

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Speaker 2: in the house.

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Speaker 6: Oh look, I mean the that's politics, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's always easy to look back on things when you've

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Speaker 6: got two and a half years to look at them

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Speaker 6: in retrospect and say you could have done this, could

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Speaker 6: have done that, could have done this. It was a

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Speaker 6: pretty extraordinary time. I think the COVID Royal Commission, despite

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Speaker 6: its loaded terms of reference, actually came up with a

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Speaker 6: pretty fair and balanced report.

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Speaker 2: Would you argue it was actually needed given you stitched

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Speaker 2: up Phase one?

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Speaker 6: I think? I mean, I disagree that we stitched up

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Speaker 6: Phase one. But while I was skeptical about the terms

1012
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Speaker 6: of reference that I'm on record as being skeptical about that,

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Speaker 6: I actually think they did a pretty good job, and

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Speaker 6: I think it's a useful addition to the record of

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Speaker 6: what happened during the COVID period.

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Speaker 2: The twelve to seventeen mandate. Thing wasn't part of Phase one,

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Speaker 2: was part of Phase two. That alone makes Phase two worthwhile,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: I certainly think they've highlighted a real issue there, which

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Speaker 6: was that while minister's got some initial advice and queried

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Speaker 6: there to the actual advice that raised concerns about, you know,

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Speaker 6: myocarditis for those younger people being vaccinated was never given

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Speaker 6: to ministers. And yes, that highlighted I think a very

1024
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Speaker 6: real issue is that on Bloomfield, I know with someone,

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Speaker 6: whether it was someone or a group of people within

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Speaker 6: the Ministry of Health, clearly didn't pass that evidence on

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Speaker 6: to the ministers. And I think that is a failing

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Speaker 6: of the Ministry of Health.

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Speaker 2: But if you believe in the buck stops at the top,

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Speaker 2: Bloomfield was at the top and he didn't pass it on,

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Speaker 2: it's on him, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: You could argue that. I think actually Bloomfield, on balance,

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Speaker 6: you know, did an outstanding job and he was getting

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Speaker 6: a lot of advice and a lot of information. I've

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Speaker 6: disappointed that advice didn't come to ministers. I don't know

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Speaker 6: whether that was specifically his decision or someone else's.

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Speaker 2: Could you argue that if you got that advice you

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Speaker 2: would have one hundred percent acted on it.

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Speaker 6: Well, of course I don't know, but reading it now, yes,

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Speaker 6: it raises concerns that I certainly would have had some

1041
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Speaker 6: very serious conversations with them about of the.

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Speaker 2: Problems that have been highlighted, what would you argue were

1043
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Speaker 2: the most damaging the medical side of the equation or

1044
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Speaker 2: the financial side of the equation.

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Speaker 6: I think the medical side of the equation. Actually, if

1046
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Speaker 6: you look at the concerns about the vaccine being rolled

1047
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Speaker 6: rushed its roll out and not being properly approved and

1048
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Speaker 6: so on, I actually think the Royal Commission did a

1049
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Speaker 6: very good job of going through that in great detail

1050
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Speaker 6: and saying no, actually this was a thorough process, it

1051
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Speaker 6: was very safe and you know, the right steps were followed.

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Speaker 6: So I think the Royal Commission actually did a very

1053
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Speaker 6: good job of speaking to those concerns. The broader issues

1054
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Speaker 6: around the economy and around government spending and so on.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of political arguments in there. The Royal

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Speaker 6: Commission have a view, various economists have a view, we'd

1057
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Speaker 6: have a view, the current government have a view, and

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Speaker 6: I don't think anyone's going to have a completely A

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Speaker 6: you on that.

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Speaker 2: No pik you see to me was when Stuart Nash

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Speaker 2: was on this program arguing that fishing boat cameras money

1062
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Speaker 2: was from COVID, and I thought this was too mental

1063
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Speaker 2: for words. Do you with the benefit of hindsight, except

1064
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Speaker 2: that you went nuts with the money.

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Speaker 6: Well, some of the things that the government did during

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Speaker 6: that period of things we would have done anyway. Some

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Speaker 6: of the things that recorded as COVID nineteen expended DAWs

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Speaker 6: not COVID nineteen expenditure, and the Royal Commission's reported. I

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Speaker 6: would argue, actually were so things like supporting kids to

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Speaker 6: learn from home, you know, providing them resources to learn

1071
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Speaker 6: from home. They said, that's not related to COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 6: I would say that actually telling kids that they needed

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Speaker 6: to keep doing this schooling while their at home is

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Speaker 6: related to COVID nine.

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Speaker 2: What about fishing boat cameras.

1076
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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot. There were things that the government was

1077
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Speaker 6: doing at that time that they argue it was not

1078
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Speaker 6: COVID nineteen expenditure. That's probably fear. I think the government

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Speaker 6: would have ended up doing those things anyway.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 2: What about school lunches.

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Speaker 6: School lunches was part of our work to get the

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Speaker 6: country back to work, and maybe we should have actually

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Speaker 6: cooked well, maybe we should have called it something else.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we should have actually separated and said, look, there's

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Speaker 6: a COVID nineteen response fund, and there's the broad Economic

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Speaker 6: Recovery and we should have actually maybe we should have

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Speaker 6: called them, you know, different things, but making sure the

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Speaker 6: economy rebounded from COVID nineteen was a priority to the government,

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Speaker 6: and those that funds did both of those things.

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Speaker 2: Is there any difficulty that sits with you at the moment? See,

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Speaker 2: I know that Robinson put out a statement along with

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Speaker 2: the Dune yesterday and Bloomfield isn't talking, and I mean

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Speaker 2: everyone's run for the hills and you're the last SAP standing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, does it would you like a bit of

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Speaker 2: support from them?

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Speaker 6: Look, people, they are allowed to move on with their lives.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's pretty unusual for a government to be

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Speaker 6: subjected to the amount of Post Office scrutiny that they

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Speaker 6: have been, you know, very few. I mean, John Keaty,

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Speaker 6: you could have gone back and had a Royal commission

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Speaker 6: on the government's response and to the Canterbury earthquakes after

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Speaker 6: he had left office. I don't think that never happened.

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Speaker 6: You know, you can always go back, but eventually people

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Speaker 6: are allowed to move on with their lives.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you feel one that this will still be

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Speaker 2: a part of some people's votes come November and two.

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Speaker 2: If it is, have you been contrite enough?

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Speaker 6: I think if it's a part of I don't think

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Speaker 6: it will be a part of a lot of people's votes.

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Speaker 6: But I think for those who is who you know,

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Speaker 6: for who it is a major issue, I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: that anything's going to change their perspectives on it. I

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Speaker 6: think they will have locked in their view one way

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Speaker 6: or the other.

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Speaker 2: So you do you feel you've been contrite at all

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Speaker 2: or not?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 6: I mean I said years ago actually that I thought

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Speaker 6: that that transition from COVID nineteen elimination to ending the lockdowns,

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Speaker 6: ending the boundary around Auckland and sort of the living

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Speaker 6: with COVID in the community was not as good as

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Speaker 6: I would have liked it to have been. I think

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Speaker 6: there are some of the Waal Commission's criticisms of that

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Speaker 6: are actually quite fear Did.

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Speaker 2: You actually make mistakes like straight up and down black

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Speaker 2: and white? I got that wrongs?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean if you look at the I mean,

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Speaker 6: I've said this before. I think if I could go

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Speaker 6: back and make decisions again on the end of a

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Speaker 6: lockdown and Awklord, I would do that differently. If I

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Speaker 6: was going to make mistakes, you make decisions around the

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Speaker 6: role out of rat testing where there was a conflict

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Speaker 6: between ministers and the Ministry of Health, I would have

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Speaker 6: pushed Hadda to do that faster. So you know, I

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Speaker 6: think not doing some of those things were mistakes, and

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Speaker 6: if I could go back and do them again, I

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Speaker 6: would do them differently.

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Speaker 2: One of the things in the report that appeals to

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Speaker 2: me in terms of an idea is there's a pressing

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Speaker 2: need quote unquote to reduce public debt to provide a

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Speaker 2: buffer for future pandemics or other economic shocks. And yet

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Speaker 2: I read with Barbara Edmonds in this now famous article

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Speaker 2: with Thomas Coglan, She's not running a surplus anytime soon,

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Speaker 2: so public debt's not going down. So you still run

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Speaker 2: the same ideology, and when the next pandemic arrives, you'll

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Speaker 2: be no better prepared than you were last time.

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Speaker 6: No, I disagree with that assertion, Mike. I think what

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Speaker 6: we have to have as a conversation of the country

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Speaker 6: about how we pay for the things that we need

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Speaker 6: to do so we need to build some long lived

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Speaker 6: infrastructure and borrowings of those things is actually a very

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Speaker 6: reasonable thing to do, such as if you're buying a

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Speaker 6: new house, you might borrow some money and you pay

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Speaker 6: that off over time. The issue is if you're borrowing

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Speaker 6: to pay the power bill, then that's not sustainable. So

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Speaker 6: we do need to get to a position as a

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Speaker 6: country where we're no longer borrowing to pay for things

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Speaker 6: like people on jobs that could benefits and superannuation, but

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Speaker 6: borrowing for investment and long lived effets that will benefit

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Speaker 6: future generations is a legitimate thing for governments to do.

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Speaker 2: But you're not reducing public debt, and if you're not

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Speaker 2: reducing public that you're not preparing the country. So that's

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Speaker 2: a worry, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: And I disagree because actually some of those long lived assets,

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Speaker 6: the investment in those things is about preparing the country.

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Speaker 6: So to think about some of those shocks that we

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Speaker 6: might see in the future, climate change, more severe weather events.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about pandemic now I'm talking about pandemics. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you build a new road, closing a road and

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Speaker 2: a pandemic's not really going to help us, is it.

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Speaker 6: The governments actually need to look at all of the

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Speaker 6: risks facing the country, not just one. And if you

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Speaker 6: look about something like, you know, we're going to get

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Speaker 6: more extreme weather events. We need a resilient infrastructure that

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Speaker 6: can cope with that. So investing in that now so

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Speaker 6: that we don't have to spend even more money cleaning

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Speaker 6: up and repairing afterwards as we're currently doing. It's actually

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Speaker 6: a very legitimate thing and very sensible thing for governments

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Speaker 6: to do.

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Speaker 2: You're glad it's over now.

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Speaker 6: I was glad it was over years ago. You know,

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Speaker 6: if anybody who thinks that we were sitting there enjoying

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Speaker 6: ourselves during that time has diluted, you know, it was

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Speaker 6: probably one of the most stressful things that any government

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Speaker 6: can go through. It was a once in a generation,

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Speaker 6: something that the country hasn't had to deal with for

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Speaker 6: a hundred years, and it was all consuming and bloody

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Speaker 6: heart and I'm very pleased that we're not dealing with

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Speaker 6: that now.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time. Crissipkins, leader of the Leader of the

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Speaker 2: Labor Party, and Minister of various aspects of the COVID response.

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Speaker 2: They were drunk on power delayed the vaccine order. No,

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Speaker 2: I disagree. I'll come back to your feedback in a moment.

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Speaker 1: Seven forty five Love Mic Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: It says what you think. It says roughly, we listened

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Speaker 2: to your interview with Chris Hipkins. Chris spoke very well,

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Speaker 2: and you just came across as a biased winker. Now see,

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Speaker 2: here's the thing about that. I wasn't and I didn't.

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Speaker 2: So the problem with people like you, Glen, is that

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Speaker 2: you've obviously got this preconceived. Not you, Glin, but Glenn

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Speaker 2: the Texter. What I was saying as well could be

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Speaker 2: one of the same anyway, point being, I'm sort of

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Speaker 2: so over COVID now, I'm sick and tired of it.

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Speaker 2: It will affect my vote. And I'll tell you why

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Speaker 2: it'll affect my vote. Is why I've told you that

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Speaker 2: he's not going to win the election, and that is

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Speaker 2: because he wrecked the country. Now you and I can

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Speaker 2: talk about this to we're blow in the face. I

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Speaker 2: can interview Chips until we're blow in the face. We

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Speaker 2: know he wrecked the country, right, so therefore that will

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Speaker 2: affect our vote, even if it's subliminally. Morty, Mike, why

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Speaker 2: has more not being said about parents being told about

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Speaker 2: the vaccine risk FO teen. That's what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's one of the highlight of the whole last twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours. It's one of the major points of what

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Speaker 2: came out of that particular report. Where's Bloomfield. You'll notice

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Speaker 2: he's nowhere to be seen. And that's why I give

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Speaker 2: Hipkins some credit. He turns up a Doun's not turning up,

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Speaker 2: Robertson's not turning up, Bloomfield's not turning up, Illingworth, Casey's

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Speaker 2: not turning up. Hipkins is the only one turning up.

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Speaker 2: And I give them credit for that. Mike, if only

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Speaker 2: Luxon could speak as clearly and confidently as Chippy, I

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Speaker 2: would forget the lux In part he spoke clearly, he

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Speaker 2: stated his case. He's not contrite enough for me, So

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Speaker 2: he walks a very fine line between being contrite and

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Speaker 2: probably the sort of contriteness you would expect or need

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Speaker 2: to genuinely. And this is why I'm saying he's not

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Speaker 2: going to win the election. The same people who did

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Speaker 2: this to us are the same people in one another

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Speaker 2: three years, and that's why they're not going to get it.

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Speaker 2: Mike Chip is a dick. See, I think we need

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Speaker 2: something more than that. I mean, to be fair, good

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Speaker 2: on you for texting it, but you know, not the

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Speaker 2: first time I've heard that. No, you, at least at

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Speaker 2: least Hipkins fronts he's taking the full hit. That is true, Mike,

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Speaker 2: they were drunk on power. That is true too. Mike.

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Speaker 2: Hipkin's delayed vaccine order to fires it for months, that

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Speaker 2: is true too. I mean, what's the point of telling

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Speaker 2: me that I know that you know that? This is

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Speaker 2: why we didn't need a royal commission either one or two,

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Speaker 2: because unlike, for example, the abuse and care, most of

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Speaker 2: us have not been in care. So we need someone

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Speaker 2: to look in and on our behalf, investigate and answer

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Speaker 2: our questions. We all lived through COVID. We're all experts

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Speaker 2: in the field. We know exactly what happened, when it happened,

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Speaker 2: why it happened, and how it happened. We don't need

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Speaker 2: to be told yet again, what we lived through just

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Speaker 2: the other day is how it happened. Stop talking. Hapkins

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Speaker 2: in a bit of that as well. But having said that,

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Speaker 2: hundreds of texts. So are we still exercised or are

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Speaker 2: we not still exercised? I think we're probably still exercised.

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Speaker 1: Eight to eight The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Ranger over

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Speaker 1: Sport sv NEUS togs DV.

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Speaker 2: Carolyn has come out today to tell us that basically

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Speaker 2: everything's going to be okay in the Strait.

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Speaker 22: Of Thus far, the Trump administration has offered political risk

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Speaker 22: insurance to tankers operating in the Gulf, the Treasury temporarily

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Speaker 22: waived certain oil related sanctions, and the Commander in Chief

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Speaker 22: has offered the US Navy to escort tankers when necessary,

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Speaker 22: and the US military is jarring up additional options following

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Speaker 22: the President's directive to continue keeping the straight.

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Speaker 9: Up from moves open.

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Speaker 22: Rest assured to the American people their recent increase in

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Speaker 22: oil and gas prices is temporary and this operation will

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Speaker 22: result in lower gas prices in the long term.

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Speaker 2: Now this isn't true. I read a very good person.

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Speaker 2: I don't have time from now, but seeing it and

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Speaker 2: the problem with what she said is correct. They've offered this,

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Speaker 2: and they've said this, but none of it's actually happening.

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Speaker 2: Just because you're offering a twenty billion dollar insurance backup

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean people are taking it up. And just because

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Speaker 2: you've offered to escort them through the straight there is

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Speaker 2: not a naval ship there. The Americans are not there.

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Speaker 2: They're not escorting anyone through the States. They're saying you

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Speaker 2: can do it and actually doing it to two different things.

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Speaker 2: But the interesting and part of the problem they are

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Speaker 2: worried about this the White House and another piece I

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Speaker 2: read yesterday, the White House are deeply, deeply worried about

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Speaker 2: the oil. Hence they're allowing Russia. The only winner out

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Speaker 2: of this at the moment is Russia, of course, because

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Speaker 2: they're selling oil like this. No tomorrow, India's back buying

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Speaker 2: Russian oil. The Chinese are laughing all the way to

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Speaker 2: the bank. But the only reason that this escort isn't

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Speaker 2: actually happening at the moment is, of course, the navy

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Speaker 2: run the risk of getting blown up, and at the

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Speaker 2: moment they are strategically positioned in places where they won't

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Speaker 2: get blown up. And so as if you're the naval commander,

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Speaker 2: you're thinking to yourself, while I'm winning the war and

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Speaker 2: the ships aren't thinking but if I went through the

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Speaker 2: strait up moves, my ship might get blown up. And

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Speaker 2: so that's where they're at at the moment. So ye,

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Speaker 2: he could get insurance for it, though, can you eighty

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Speaker 2: nine currently on BRENT to eighty four on WTI. So

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Speaker 2: the jaw boning is still working now. Politics Wednesday, so yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll deal with the COVID because Hepkins took a beating

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00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: yesterday the career poll. Should we go down that track

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Speaker 2: and we need to go down that track, that coup

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Speaker 2: and the National Party that they tried so hard to

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Speaker 2: create Shane Ritty. Anyway, we'll see how we go. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know how this go on and make it up

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Speaker 2: as I go along.

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Speaker 1: News is next, asking the questions others won't the mic asking,

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Speaker 1: Breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities, Life your Way, News, Toks

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Speaker 13: You have a song on the June Bugs? You still

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Speaker 13: came bring yourself to.

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Speaker 2: Hear high Mike sts in Team Memory that leaves your

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Speaker 2: glass empty And thanks to you and your interview with

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Speaker 2: Lady Wilson. We went to her concert Christuch last month.

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Speaker 2: She was outstanding. Only secondly Garth Books as b show

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Speaker 2: Side You Start Again, You do a segment on new

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Speaker 2: released albums I e. Value for the number of songs

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Speaker 2: and playing time. See makes you feel so alone? You

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Speaker 2: won't to kick out the new album by Texas Superstar

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Speaker 2: Aaron Watson.

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Speaker 13: Same here, it's sold us, same here, same'small town, same old,

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Speaker 13: same stomping ground, same barstool, Saint Church, few, same year

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Speaker 13: after years, tell us.

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Speaker 2: Love the show. The God's David Chan. David, you ask

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Speaker 2: that I delivers the same, and I like this. Twenty

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Speaker 2: six songs run to the one out, twenty six minutes.

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Speaker 2: Let's call it an hour. Let's call it the length

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Speaker 2: of the movie in the Olden Days, A Good Fight,

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Speaker 2: Just to Stay Horse Named Texas. Sorry, didn't even give

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Speaker 2: you the name of the album, did I Horse Name Texas?

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Speaker 2: Aaron Watsman's sold us. It's like it was which same.

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Speaker 2: We're like, basically, you're like, same host.

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Speaker 6: Don't en carriage them.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what if you'd like an album? Late on

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Speaker 2: the radio, bring us now eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: and we're doing Request Politics Wednesday. Mike Mitchell's with us

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Speaker 2: along with Ginny Anderson. Good morning to both of you.

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Speaker 2: Morning Mike, Matt, You're right, Jenny, that was a bit

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Speaker 2: low key. What's going on there? You've seen that? Have

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Speaker 2: you seen the COVID report? What happened there?

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Speaker 23: Yea, we might I thought I thought it was my

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Speaker 23: Stevie next voice.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little you a bit husky? Yeah, what's happened there?

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Speaker 2: Because Jason I could do her. Jason, our bosses had

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Speaker 2: the gesstro. You got the Guestro as well.

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Speaker 14: No, I haven't that.

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Speaker 23: The department's all going quite well at the moment, Thank

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Speaker 23: you very much.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what do you got? Then? You got the

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Speaker 2: COVID you're in the ninth wave, but COVID if you're

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Speaker 2: earing Michael Baker.

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Speaker 23: Just just a bit husky in this road this morning.

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Speaker 23: I've had my Kiwi crush drink. That helps me. I'm

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Speaker 23: a big scene of immunity by a golden Kiwi fruit.

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Speaker 23: Good my personal.

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Speaker 2: Did you put that down as a gift in your

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Speaker 2: registry because that sounded like an ad to me. You

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Speaker 2: got shares in.

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Speaker 23: The I'm allowed to do that, but match not because

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Speaker 23: I'm not a minister. You're okay to do what you

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Speaker 23: If it's under five hundred.

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Speaker 21: It should be good.

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Speaker 23: So you would be pretty regular if you had five

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Speaker 23: hundred dollars worth of golden Kibi Frie.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you, okay, I reckon. By the way,

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Speaker 2: you sounded okay in the house. Have you gone downhill overnight?

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Speaker 2: Watching yesterday with your piercing questions, and it's a whole

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Speaker 2: different story. Were you or were you? You are steroids yesterday?

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Speaker 23: Well, okat with a bit of a source throat, but

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Speaker 23: now I'll be good or box.

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Speaker 2: On Mark, you got a house in Balley. I didn't

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Speaker 2: realize you own a holiday home in Balley. Yeah.

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Speaker 24: We built a place up in a place called Army.

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Speaker 24: It's a little fishing village. It's not in a tourist here.

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Speaker 24: It's about three and a half hours northeast and some

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Speaker 24: of the best spear fishing in the world and just beautiful,

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Speaker 24: pristine nature.

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Speaker 11: And so we've brought a little place up there.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I knew you went there and you love it,

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Speaker 2: and I get all of that. But how do you

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Speaker 2: build a place in the middle of I mean that

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Speaker 2: must be howd you handle the locals, the infrastruction of

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Speaker 2: the money, the backhanders, the permits, the red tape.

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Speaker 24: No, we did it through a guy that's actually does

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Speaker 24: some development over there, and.

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Speaker 11: So it wasn't.

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Speaker 24: He lives up in armed and we just love the position.

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Speaker 24: It's right up valley. Wow, it's just it's just it's

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Speaker 24: a beautiful, stunning place. So open invite anyone wants to

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Speaker 24: go and use it more welcome.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, can I just and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to be the only reason for people listening to this going.

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Speaker 2: Why is Hosking gone off piece yet again? Is the

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Speaker 2: registrar came the register came out the other day. Now, Ginny,

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Speaker 2: I think you've got some mortgages in the house and

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 2: a gym membership. What was on your list?

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Speaker 14: It was a hot yoga membership.

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Speaker 23: And so I've been offer the Mark Joy meeting Tommy

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Speaker 23: one and half a house?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you go, half a house?

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Speaker 11: Half do you live? Do you live in one half

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Speaker 11: of the house?

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Speaker 23: I share it with my husband. We both live in it.

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 23: But you have to say that you should you?

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so you got you got half in the banks?

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Speaker 2: Do you find that I think I'll probably ask you this,

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Speaker 2: But if you've got a mortgage, do you find that

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Speaker 2: that's invasive? I find that invasive in terms of what

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Speaker 2: you have to reveal. I mean, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: if you owned sixteen houses in a football stadium and

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Speaker 2: a private jet jet yeah, sure. But having a house

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Speaker 2: with a mortgages basic what most New Zealanders have. But

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Speaker 2: it's a bit invasive, isn't it.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think the idea behind it is if you

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Speaker 23: have deeps or that that's what you that's what they're

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Speaker 23: acquiring you. Because if you you're indebted to somebody that

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Speaker 23: you know, you're not indebted to a loan shark.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get a mortgage with a bank.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, I know, Yeah, that's well. Look, I've always put

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Speaker 23: it down. Minds that never changed in the in the

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Speaker 23: nine years i've been But.

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Speaker 24: If you did have a loan, if you did have

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Speaker 24: a loan with a loan shut, then you'd have to

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Speaker 24: register it. So that's the So I just think, you know,

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01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 24: we have really high levels of transpiritcy in this country.

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Speaker 2: I just it helps fan all. I'd see when I

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Speaker 2: see that list every number of months whenever it comes out,

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Speaker 2: it's like somebody got tickets to the football, someone's got

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Speaker 2: a mortgage, someone's got a house and buy and large,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty unappealing. Apart from you, Mark, you're the glamour.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how can I can I be just a mortgage?

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Speaker 2: Well that's because youve got nine hundred houses. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 2: Why can I ask and tell me if I'm being

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Speaker 2: rude to shut up. How much does it cost of

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Speaker 2: build a house in Bali?

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Speaker 24: So that place cost US two hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 24: thousand US that and we have got a twenty five

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Speaker 24: year lease on it, so we don't actually own the land,

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Speaker 24: which is pretty common up in Bali.

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Speaker 11: And we have a right to.

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Speaker 24: Renew for twenty five years, which I'll probably do so

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Speaker 24: the kids and the grand kids can continue to have

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Speaker 24: excess and use it. We got it as a really

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Speaker 24: as a family place where our kids are spirittal around

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Speaker 24: the world, and it's good central location, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: What's the lease? What do you pay the lease?

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Speaker 24: That's the one off upfront cost. Oh yeah, I'd have

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Speaker 24: to go and break that down.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, was it roughly Was it roughly one

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars?

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Speaker 24: No, it's probably more likely about sort of twenty or

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Speaker 24: thirty a year.

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Speaker 11: No, No, that's for the twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: No way, twenty thirty grand for it. So one thousand

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Speaker 2: bucks a year roughly ballpark?

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Speaker 14: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so four hundred and sixty thousand dollars. I

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Speaker 2: know we're not talking politics, but I'm obsessed. Now, what

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Speaker 2: do you get for the four sixty. Is it a

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Speaker 2: nice house, big house.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, it's a big home. It's got four bedrooms, four bathrooms.

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Speaker 24: It's got a nice and ground, Paul. It's right up

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Speaker 24: in the valley. It's got natur al around. It looks

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Speaker 24: down across the Barley Sea in two minutes down to

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Speaker 24: this beautiful little fishing village.

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Speaker 11: And it's gorgeous. We absolutely love it.

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Speaker 24: It's getaway, it's out escape and we've and we had

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Speaker 24: a family Christmas there this year. So Sarah has always

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Speaker 24: loved Barley. I wasn't so much in love with Ballei,

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Speaker 24: but mainly because the tourist area to me is a

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Speaker 24: bit noisy personally for me. But we found this very quiet,

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Speaker 24: beautiful little place. Is another key We up there. There's

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Speaker 24: a key We couple that are underplace up there for

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Speaker 24: about twenty five years. They've got a beautiful little restaurant

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Speaker 24: up there, so we've sort of got to know them

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Speaker 24: and starting to get to load and get to know

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Speaker 24: the locals.

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Speaker 11: They take spear fishing with them and it's just magic.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Listen, hold on, Ginny, have a swig of

1477
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: your special juice and we'll come back with I'll try

1478
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: and get onto politic. Come on, tell me that wasn't interesting.

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Speaker 2: Four sixty thousand for a four bedroom, four bathroom with

1480
01:06:56,360 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: Paul overlooking the bay. That's good real estate talk there,

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson fourteen past.

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Speaker 1: The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, how

1483
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Speaker 1: It By News Talks It.

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Speaker 2: Be coming up eighteen past eight Politics Wednesday. Ginny, do

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01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,000
Speaker 2: you think generally that the Labor Party and those of

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01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 2: you who are around during COVID read the report yesterday,

1487
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: have been contrite enough in mending the damage, if you like,

1488
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 2: with the public who think they feel damage needs to

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01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: be mended.

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Speaker 23: I think it's incredibly important to acknowledge that so many

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Speaker 23: people were deeply impacted, to the point that people kind

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01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 23: of don't even want to talk about it because their

1493
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 23: lives were so disrupted. So I think it's incredibly important

1494
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 23: we continue to acknowledge how much disruption and really trauma

1495
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 23: it caused right across New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel regret over some of the stuff you

1497
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: guys did.

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Speaker 23: It's really hard in hindsight to be able to say this,

1499
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 23: you know, should have done this way or that way.

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Speaker 23: So I mean the report generally found that ours was

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Speaker 23: pretty good. You know, I'm personally I'm grateful for things

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01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 23: like my dad. My dad's got preexisting health conditions. If

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01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 23: he had got help COVID, I don't think he'd still

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 23: be with us right now. He's a pretty awesome granddad

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Speaker 23: and I'm grateful that he's still around.

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 21: So I think there's many.

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01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 23: Other countries who lost a lot of their seniors, and

1508
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 23: so I think we did good in terms of stopping

1509
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 23: so many people from losing their lives. But of course

1510
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 23: these things we could have done better.

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01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: What do you make of it? Mark, You guys went

1512
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 2: to town on it yesterday in the house.

1513
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 24: Well as having been an awkward MP and being through it,

1514
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 24: everyone felt an Aukland that we were locked down for

1515
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 24: far too long. There has had a massive negative impact

1516
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 24: on our kids, families, the adults, businesses.

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 11: The thing that really annoyed.

1518
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 24: Me is that everyone could accept a health response in

1519
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 24: going off the advice from health officials.

1520
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 11: I think most people accept that was the right thing

1521
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 11: to do.

1522
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 24: But what appears to be in the report says that

1523
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 24: Hitchens and Doing and others jumped from a health based

1524
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 24: decisions onto political decisions which meant a longer lockdown for

1525
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 24: us and Auglam. That was necessary, and the worst thing

1526
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 24: about it was disappearance making decisions around a mandated second

1527
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,520
Speaker 24: Jared for our kids twelve to eighteen.

1528
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: That thing. I don't know, Ginny. Should Bloomfield front on that?

1529
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: That's that's a disgrace and it appears to be on him,

1530
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

1531
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 23: Well, the claims in the house yesterday were just categorically wrong.

1532
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was where the hippens get to saw it.

1533
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 2: So except that he didn't get to see if the

1534
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: advice wasn't passed on, that's on Bloomfield and Bloomfield needs

1535
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: to front, doesn't he.

1536
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 23: Well, I think health itself, whatever was going on in health,

1537
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 23: that that information was there and was not presented to decisions.

1538
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:54,680
Speaker 24: Help Mike that this is not just on Ashley Bloomfield.

1539
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 24: This is on the minister. Like if I was the

1540
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 24: Minister of Health and I was about to mandate and

1541
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 24: tell parents that you have to get your twelve to

1542
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 24: eighteen year olds a second booster, there's a roster around

1543
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 24: high cat artist. You as the minister, you seek the

1544
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 24: reassurances around that to make sure that it's safe. So

1545
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 24: it's an easy copy out to sort of point the

1546
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 24: finger at everyone else. You're a minister for a reason,

1547
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 24: and I just don't think these guys were either mature

1548
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 24: or experienced enough or trustworthy enough in hindsight to start

1549
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 24: making political decisions rather than ones.

1550
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 2: And it should be held to account on that.

1551
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 23: To mission themselves found that they should have put into

1552
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,120
Speaker 23: that information that was so Tom.

1553
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: Should have asked for it straight up and down. Yeah,

1554
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: I get it, Mark, I get that part. But give

1555
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 2: give them you did or didn't whatever. Doesn't Bloomfield owe

1556
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 2: the nation and explanation as to why that information wasn't

1557
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 2: passed on.

1558
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 24: Yeah, that information definitely should have been passed on, There's

1559
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 24: no doubt about that.

1560
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 11: But my point is that if.

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Speaker 24: You're a minister and you're making those sort of decisions

1562
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 24: as the double's check.

1563
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 2: But Jinny Ashley Bloomfield, does he owe us an explanation

1564
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: or can he move on with his life as well?

1565
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 11: Well?

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01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 23: I think it's difficult depending what role is now.

1567
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 2: Like at the time he was he was the man,

1568
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 2: he was health, he was health.

1569
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 23: That I think there needs to be an explanation from Health,

1570
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 23: whether that's actually Bloomfield or the organization but that's a

1571
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 23: critical piece of information that they failed to provide at

1572
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 23: the right time.

1573
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: See, I don't know why you don't want to call

1574
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 2: him out that. It's like you're still arguing and defending yourself.

1575
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 23: I mean, it's eat in front if he wants to.

1576
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 6: But I don't know.

1577
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,799
Speaker 2: Why are you calling him out. You guys take tremendous

1578
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: heat out of this, and rightly so. And one of

1579
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: the guys who was right there in the trenches with

1580
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 2: you that you were relying on seemingly has let the

1581
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 2: country down appallingly and he's nowhere to be seen.

1582
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Speaker 23: I think the organization he's part of is the one

1583
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 23: that we've got to think about if we want to

1584
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 23: prevent this from happening again in the future. There's greater

1585
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 23: benefit in saying, what part of that ministry now or

1586
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 23: that organization isn't working. How do we fix that so

1587
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 23: we're not in the same position in the next time.

1588
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 23: He's appendemic.

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Speaker 2: All right, appreciate time gets better. Appreciate it. Jenny Anderson,

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell Politics, Wednesday, Day twenty.

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Speaker 2: like to book a stay at Mark's house, well ring Mark.

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Speaker 2: there's always someone isn't. Then let me come back to

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Speaker 2: we'll get across to Australia. What a day it was

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Speaker 2: there yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Togs Head b Body. Michael liked to know the statistics

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Speaker 2: of young people getting my k at eyes. Well, of course,

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Speaker 2: I mean then it's minuscule. The whole thing was minuscule.

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01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 2: I mean we had this debate about a million times

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01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: over during the actual COVID peace endemic, and that was

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01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: that all vaccines carry a risk. And the number of

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: texts I got from people go, I know, I know

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 2: three people who got myocard isis and and know you

1635
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 2: didn't and so it went. So there's sort of it's

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: re lit people's angst Mike. The inquiry said that the

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01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 2: lockdown went for four to six days, longer than it

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01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 2: should have. Hardly the crime of the century. Chris. That's

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 2: classic New Zealand. That's everything wrong with New Zealand. It's

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: oh well, never mind. You do realize that the Auckland

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 2: lockdown involved Auckland, which is one and a half million people,

1642
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,920
Speaker 2: which is hundreds of millions of dollars of economic activity

1643
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 2: on any single day. Times at by six you're talking

1644
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: about tens of millions of dollars of lost business, plus

1645
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 2: the damage is done in the ensuing period. So that,

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,759
Speaker 2: in part is what's wrong with the attitude of the place.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three to nine.

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Speaker 2: Morning for you. You know, there I was running through.

1651
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean, what a day you had between Little Proud

1652
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: and your planes taking off to the Middle East and

1653
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 2: your football players. I mean it was all go there.

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 9: Wasn't it.

1655
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 17: Yeah, it was a huge news day. I think last

1656
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,799
Speaker 17: night dominated by the exit from Australia of the Uranian

1657
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,679
Speaker 17: women's soccer team. Those who wanted to go back now

1658
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 17: I reiterate wanted because every one of them, according to

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 17: Tony Burke and Home Affairs Minister, every one of those

1660
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 17: players was given the option to not go at the

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Speaker 17: last moment. So we had dramatic scenes in Brisbane yesterday

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01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 17: when a bus pulled up at the hotel where the

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01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 17: team was playing. Those who were due to fly down

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,400
Speaker 17: to Sydney got on the bus and then there was

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 17: a huge number of demonstrators Iranian expats from Australia laying

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Speaker 17: down on the road in the front of the bus

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Speaker 17: trying not to let that bus leave or move. It

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 17: finally did under police protection. They veils then got on

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 17: this flight from Brisbane to Sydney, and that's where we

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01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 17: find out now today that two more of that team

1671
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 17: did not get on that bus and did not go

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Speaker 17: to Sydney, remained in Brisbane and are now under protection

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 17: along with the original five the Australian Federal Police. They've

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 17: all been offered visas in Australia to stay for at

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01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 17: least twelve months. The drama at Sydney Airport involved about

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Speaker 17: one hundred and fifty expats, including one who had a

1677
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 17: message from a brother of one of the girls who

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 17: plays in that team. Her name is Efren, who maiden

1679
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 17: name is ef Fran, and the message simply said, don't

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Speaker 17: come back. So we now have seven who have claimed asylum.

1681
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 17: The rest are on a flight as we speak to

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Speaker 17: k Kuala Lumpa. Where they go from there? Who knows,

1683
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 17: because obviously you can't fly a commercial flight into Iranian airspace.

1684
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,120
Speaker 17: At the moment, with the war going on dramatic scenes,

1685
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:44,839
Speaker 17: and the federal government I must say, have acted quickly.

1686
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 17: Tony Burke was in Brisbane at the weekend. There was

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Speaker 17: a sort of media blackout on what was going on,

1688
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 17: and then that was all announced yesterday and then he

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01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 17: flew to Sydney from Canda where Parliament sitting overnight and

1690
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,719
Speaker 17: personally spoke to each of the women who stayed.

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Speaker 11: Well two more.

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01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 17: That's where we're at.

1693
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's this legislation then to amend the Migration

1694
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 2: Act so that a whole bunch of other temporary visa

1695
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: holders don't roll on into town. I mean, is that tricky?

1696
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 2: Has he got cross party support, He got the numbers

1697
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 2: to do all of that, is that a major.

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01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 17: Well, it's very tricky, and it's always the case when

1699
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,759
Speaker 17: you come to if you do it for these people,

1700
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 17: can't you do it for others? And who turns up,

1701
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 17: puts a hand up, who's already in the country, who

1702
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 17: says saying, hang on, I don't want to go back

1703
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 17: to whatever my country is, either on Russian or whatever.

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 17: So that is going to be a problem. But when

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01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 17: you're dealing with a high profile sporting team that refused

1706
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 17: to sing a national anthem in that match in Perth

1707
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 17: at the first game in the Asian Women's Cup, and

1708
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,799
Speaker 17: then you have the people here in the country representing

1709
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 17: the Iranian government saying well you have to sing it

1710
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 17: next time, and suggestions on TV in I Ran that

1711
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 17: they were going to be executed. I don't think the

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01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 17: government had any choice.

1713
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 2: No, the wedge tail you're sending along with some medium

1714
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,640
Speaker 2: were missiles and stuff. Is there a lot? Is there

1715
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:06,320
Speaker 2: a general acceptance you're in the war now and if

1716
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: there is their pushback, No.

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Speaker 17: There's not a general acceptance. I don't think that we're

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01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 17: in the war. Most people don't understand what a wedgtale

1719
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Speaker 17: is and the number of personnel is small, so people

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01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 17: are not out marching in the streets saying we shouldn't

1721
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 17: be there. But unless you remember the Greens, of course,

1722
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,519
Speaker 17: the Greens came out screaming yesterday that Australia was funding

1723
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 17: Donald Trump's murderous war on Iran im and they're just

1724
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 17: a ridiculous party these days, and so we ignore them.

1725
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 17: The fact that Australia has a base in thee is

1726
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 17: the reason the Prime Minister is saying it is a

1727
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 17: defensive act by Australia. We talked about some missiles as well.

1728
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 17: I mean, I don't even know we had missiles, but

1729
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 17: apparently we're sending some defensive missiles there. So these missiles

1730
01:18:55,600 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 17: knock out aggressive attacks from the other side, so we're sort.

1731
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 11: Of in it.

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01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 17: You know, we'd had the President of the United States

1733
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,719
Speaker 17: ringing you up as Antonelbiz. He did it two am

1734
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 17: yesterday morning, leading for the safety of the Iranian girls,

1735
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 17: and then apparently the call went for half an hour

1736
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 17: and Trump would have obviously said to Elbow, what are

1737
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,599
Speaker 17: you going to do about helping us in the Middle East.

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01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 17: That's what's happened. I mean, it's reluctant. No one in

1739
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 17: that labor government wants to be sending assets into the

1740
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 17: Middle East to get involved in this conflict that they've

1741
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 17: sort of gone. Well, I imagine the Prime Minister went to

1742
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 17: the head of the Defense Forces and says, what's the

1743
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 17: minimum we can do to show that we're at least

1744
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 17: trying to do something. That's how I see it.

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01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: I happen to be watching Sky In fact, I watched

1746
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 2: s Guy most afternoons, but I wasn't expecting a Little

1747
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 2: Proud to burst into tears in front of my television

1748
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 2: screen and then wander off with his arms around his wife.

1749
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 2: What on earth happened?

1750
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 17: Yeah, and a very Australian quote to leave, which might

1751
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 17: be one of the quotes of the wed I'm bugging well,

1752
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 17: I'm not sure. Little Proud then made the ridiculous comment

1753
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 17: that he was the Nationals leader since no one in

1754
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 17: New Zealand would notice bloke but Blackjack mckewan back in

1755
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 17: the nineteen sixties. I mean, that's just ridiculous. The Nationals

1756
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 17: have had some very good leaders, people like John Anderson,

1757
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 17: for example, but Little Proud he has been blamed for

1758
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 17: a lot of the troubles within the coalition, and quite rightly,

1759
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 17: the only good thing that David Little Proud did was

1760
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 17: I think lead the No campaign against the Voice, which

1761
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 17: eventually the rest of the country caught up with sixty

1762
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 17: percent of us to know to the Voice referendum. He's

1763
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 17: been an interesting politician but has achieved very little. And

1764
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:42,240
Speaker 17: so now you've got the conservative side of the National

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01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 17: Party's led by Senator Matt Canavan has put his hand

1766
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 17: up already and the voter happened today. He wants the job.

1767
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 17: He's to go. Who led the note to net zero

1768
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 17: campaign within the Nationals is very much on the energy side.

1769
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 17: He is at Queensland where he says we should get

1770
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 17: into nuclear. So we'll see where this goes. But I'll

1771
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 17: tell you what it does do. It doesn't help at

1772
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 17: all with the upcoming by election in that seat of

1773
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 17: Pharaoh because Susan Lee decided that she was going to

1774
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 17: walk away after she lost the leadership. So the Nationals

1775
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 17: are in big trouble in that seat. You would think

1776
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 17: if they tried to get the votes for their Canada.

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01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: Exactly what are you paying for? I did two nine

1778
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 2: to nine yesterday per liter of the ninety eight? What

1779
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: are you running out?

1780
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,120
Speaker 17: What's two nine in New Zealand converted to Australia, and

1781
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 17: you're just going to come use.

1782
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: All sixty seven cents.

1783
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 17: Yeah, I'm paying somewhere around about two dollars forty eight

1784
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 17: for ninety eight ron. That's the best petri you can buy.

1785
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 17: But the panic buyings continued, and I don't know, I

1786
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 17: can't remember if I told you on Monday, but that

1787
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 17: giant Bunning store, one of them, at least two of

1788
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 17: them in Australia run out of jerry cans. So people

1789
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,559
Speaker 17: are just rushed by jerry Can.

1790
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 2: To Australia's not realize that the oil's gone back down

1791
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: below eighty dollars ninety dollars a barrel.

1792
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,439
Speaker 17: Well, a lot of it's in the region, and so

1793
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 17: the delivery trucks have delivered diesel to the regions, have

1794
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 17: decided to concentrate on delivery to the cities because they

1795
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 17: can make more money to it. And so the farmers

1796
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 17: who are in the middle of about the get ready

1797
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 17: for their planting season and have to feed some of

1798
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 17: their stock with haber because they've got droughts. They need

1799
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,320
Speaker 17: diesel to run their tractors, and so they're filling up

1800
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 17: jerry cansim the regions are the ones who have been here,

1801
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 17: the artists. There's a lot of anger in the bush

1802
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 17: about how they've just been ignored and let down and

1803
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 17: it is stupid to only have thirty or thirty five

1804
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 17: whatever figure. Silly. Chris Bowen makes it up in his

1805
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 17: head of fuel in the country. It's crazy.

1806
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly all right, might go well, see next week

1807
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: two forty eight Australian two nine nine years on. So

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01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 2: it's exactly the same, which is interesting because generally petrol

1809
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: is cheaper in Australia and yet now it isn't, so

1810
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 2: that would lead you to believe maybe they're getting gouged

1811
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 2: slightly more than we are. Fourteen two The.

1812
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Speaker 1: Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio Howard By

1813
01:22:59,200 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: News talks that.

1814
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 2: Be Mike, I'm a pricing manager for one of the

1815
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 2: high street fuel retailers. I can assure you there's no gaging.

1816
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: I wasn't referring to gouging. That was me being facetious

1817
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: and New Zealand at the pump during the crisis. Thank

1818
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: you for that. If you're over the COVID targer, Mike,

1819
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: does that mean that it won't feature in your narrative

1820
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 2: as a political point until the election. No, of course

1821
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 2: it will feature because it is, I still argue, and

1822
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: I think today's response has been a very good indicator

1823
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 2: that it's still very much in people's minds. My guess

1824
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: is a small selection of New Zealanders remain obsessed about it.

1825
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 2: Most of us remain irked by it, and therefore, when

1826
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: we come to think about it again, which we inevitably

1827
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: will during the election campaign, you'll go back, Are these

1828
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: thus same people who did that to us? Yes? They are.

1829
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: Therefore why would I vote for them? Are they reformed?

1830
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: Are they different? Are they a completely different makeup? No,

1831
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 2: they're not. And that's why I think I keep saying

1832
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 2: that they're not going to win the election. It's not

1833
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,679
Speaker 2: entirely out of COVID, but it's directly related to the economy,

1834
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: which is related to COVID, which has taken I mean,

1835
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 2: think about twenty nineteen is when it all began. Here

1836
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 2: we are in twenty twenty six, I mean it's seven

1837
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 2: years on, seven years on. Are still paying the price?

1838
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 2: Seems that economics mike towers over health. Unfortunately, Well that's true.

1839
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 2: The economy is everything, rightly or wrongly The economy is everything,

1840
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, just think about the moment somebody starts blowing

1841
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: up a country and the oil price goes through the roof.

1842
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 2: The economy is everything and just quickly nice that cabinet

1843
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 2: ministers can buy Balley palaces whilst every day people in

1844
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: New Zealand struggle to pay the bills. I think, are

1845
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 2: we not getting past that? No one's more genuine than Mark.

1846
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,240
Speaker 2: Mark is one of the most decent people I know.

1847
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 2: He has four hundred and forty thousand dollars to build

1848
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: himself a house in Balley. Honestly, are you begrudging him that?

1849
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: Are are you so myopic and small minded that you

1850
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 2: begrudge him that if he wants to spend his money

1851
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 2: that way, and somehow he's different from you and I.

1852
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 2: Is no different from you and I. At the end

1853
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 2: of the day, there's plenty of people in this country

1854
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 2: that have holiday homes. There's plenty of people who travel

1855
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 2: at the front onto the plane. There's plenty of people

1856
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 2: in this country who drive decent cars, et cetera, et cetera.

1857
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 2: There are actually plenty of people in this country just do

1858
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 2: okay for themselves. Do you know why? Because they get

1859
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 2: up early and they work hard and good luck to them.

1860
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 2: So I'm hoping that over time we'll see less and

1861
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 2: less of that sort of attitude. Nine to nine.

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1884
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1890
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1891
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1896
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 2: known for his love of trained spotting anyway, Clarkson, Jeremy

1897
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Speaker 2: original My Weekend Cars podcast. He turned up on that

1898
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 2: to talk about the new season.

1899
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 9: The fact that it's not here anymore.

1900
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 12: It back well, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no

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01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 12: no no, don't you do not stone up and don't

1902
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 12: belved in at all, not involved at all. It's very

1903
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 12: very good.

1904
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Speaker 9: Different.

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01:27:33,160 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 25: Oh it's different. I mean it's different because they're three

1906
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 25: completely different people to ask them.

1907
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I just wondered if the proposition's different, you

1908
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 5: know that go somewhere and have an event.

1909
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 25: I shall see, you shall see. But no, I'm pretty confident.

1910
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,719
Speaker 25: I'm pretty confident that that will work, hope.

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01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 2: So Wilman's behind it, Andy Wilman, who was on the

1912
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 2: program the other day. If you want to speaking of Jeremy,

1913
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 2: I was watching a video yesterday Harry's garage. He had

1914
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,599
Speaker 2: a Gordon Murray and that alone is worth watching the video.

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01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 2: For it's list price two point eight million pounds. You

1916
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: can't buy one because he only made one hundred. So

1917
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 2: if you can get one on the second hand market,

1918
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 2: you're paying about five million pounds, which is what is

1919
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 2: that thirteen fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seventeen million New Zealand dollars

1920
01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 2: he took Jeremy for a ride because their neighbors on

1921
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: the farm. And that car is it's Gordon Murray's take

1922
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: on the McLaren f one. It is it revs to

1923
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 2: twelve and a half thousand. Just it's a Cosworth three

1924
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 2: point nine v twelve. That video is worth locking. Now,

1925
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you something for nothing. We're worth listening to

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Speaker 2: tomorrow from six Happy Days.

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Speaker 1: news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.