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Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.

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Speaker 1: Morning you guys, Morning Mike. Did you get the Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're the biggest house owner in all of Parliament?

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Speaker 2: Market?

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Speaker 1: Have you got a house in Wellington?

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Speaker 2: I hear? But it's on the market at the moment.

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Speaker 1: What's it on the market for a fire sale? What's

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Speaker 1: going on there? Have you seen the heaven? You've seen

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Speaker 1: the valuations that came out yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Not great, not great at all.

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Speaker 2: No, that's right. No.

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Speaker 4: At the moment, I'm sitting at the Treaty Grounds outside

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Speaker 4: the frey Walker Cafe. I'm here for a breakfast meeting

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Speaker 4: that started at eight with the Northern EWE leaders, and

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Speaker 4: I'm we're just debating whether I move because otherwise that

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Speaker 4: we're going to hear the show the side of the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh so I thought you were going to say you're

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Speaker 1: here for a meeting at eight o'clock, but no one

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Speaker 1: showed up yet.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's a full meeting. But yeah, I'm

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Speaker 4: just worried about No, I'm not you in a here, eyeballs.

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Speaker 4: It means that I'm not disturbing the breakfast too much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good stuff, Ginny, as regards Wellington and twenty five percent.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's for a lot of people, you know,

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Speaker 1: significantly material, not just material, but significantly material, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people have their savings and houses. Of course,

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Speaker 1: what's gone wrong with Wellington? Do you think for that

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Speaker 3: Well that central sort of city feeling is that it's

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Speaker 3: just had the guts kicked out of it, so that

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just the public service, but it was all

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Speaker 3: of the local economy went down when those jobs got cut,

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Speaker 3: and that's dragged everything down further and that's had a

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Speaker 3: real impact on confidence in the local economy and.

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Speaker 1: Must be longer than that because this is from twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember twenty twenty one to twenty two. Someone

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a little that the public service cuts

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Speaker 3: make a big difference. And these people in the Hut

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Speaker 3: Valley and out in all hun do you all those

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Speaker 3: people have either jobs associated with the public service or

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Speaker 3: they're selling a service or doing a doing a thing

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Speaker 3: that relies on those incomes. So it has a twelvefold

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Speaker 3: impact in Wellington when you see big, big kicks like that.

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Speaker 3: But the kicker is for those people who bought at

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Speaker 3: the peak of the market when they paid quite a

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Speaker 3: bit for a home and now it's worth quite a

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Speaker 3: bit less than that. So they've got a big mortgage

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Speaker 3: rate and the asset is now worth less than what

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Speaker 3: they pay.

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Speaker 4: Do you understand that what you guys did, and I

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Speaker 4: think it's cruel. You were on a massive hiring spree.

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Speaker 4: You bloated the government. As a country we can't afford.

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Speaker 4: It is awful when you have to make cuts. Those

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Speaker 4: are tough decisions, but the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 4: you put us on a fast track to a third

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Speaker 4: world country and there had to be changes, and so

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Speaker 4: I just I just find it amazing that you're still

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Speaker 4: that you're saying that you wouldn't have made any cuts.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll respond to that. I worked as a public

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Speaker 3: student the last time National was in government and they

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Speaker 3: did the same thing. They cut everybody back. And what

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Speaker 3: happens about now in the mark from now on is

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Speaker 3: that when the government has big projects that they need

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Speaker 3: to deliver and all those people with institutional knowledge have

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Speaker 3: ever been fired or left and let me finish, we

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Speaker 3: have something called consultants who come in at approximately three

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Speaker 3: to five hundred dollars an hour, and that's What will

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Speaker 3: go up now under your government is the cost of

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Speaker 3: consultants as you try to get projects finished. And there's

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Speaker 3: no public servant.

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Speaker 1: Just before I leave, before until this descend let's not

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Speaker 1: have a descendity Tory fun now. Speaking of Wellington Ginny,

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Speaker 1: she said, I thought it was interesting you should serve

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Speaker 1: a term as a counselor before you're a leader. Is

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Speaker 1: that in general? Is that good advice? In your experience?

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon? Well?

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Speaker 3: I think it's important to know how local government works.

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Speaker 3: I don't think ever Brian would have the ability to

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Speaker 3: serve as a counselor, but I think understanding how your

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Speaker 3: local government works is incredibly important to being a good representative.

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Speaker 1: Woul it'll be whit well. I mean your path through

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Speaker 1: the public service, for example, before you went into parliament.

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Speaker 1: That must have stood you in reasonable stead, mustn't it

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Speaker 1: as opposed to just you know, coming in cold and

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Speaker 3: I think understanding the mechanics of government is incredibly important,

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Speaker 3: and that's what a lot of people are missing. They

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Speaker 3: come straight in and expect to make big decisions without

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Speaker 3: actually knowing what the spillover effects are. And we're definitely

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Speaker 3: seeing that with.

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Speaker 4: The I think the best that you can bring to

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Speaker 4: public service as life experience, and I think that Jenny's

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Speaker 4: was in P and h Q.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. Mine was on the front line. I think

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Speaker 2: you actually have to be in touch with.

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Speaker 4: What people need and what they were quite from government

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Speaker 4: to be able to deliver with it was a.

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Speaker 3: Bit more than just P and h Q. Mark, I've

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Speaker 3: been around for a wee bit longer than that, so

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Speaker 3: I've also been a negotiator for the Officer of Treaty Settlements.

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Speaker 3: I've also worked for Judith Collins and helped your advise

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Speaker 2: Work for Judith Collins.

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Speaker 3: Well, I advised, I advised.

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Speaker 2: You keep claiming in her office.

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Speaker 3: I didn't say office.

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Speaker 2: Judith hates it when Jenny says that, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Mark, did you did you have you got one of

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Speaker 1: those cvs Jenny that says I worked for Judith Collins.

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Speaker 1: If I looked at your CV.

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Speaker 3: I got nickname. I got the crush in that name.

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Speaker 2: She goes trumping and she worked for Judith.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy, so you're the original crusher. You're claiming you're the

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Speaker 1: original crusher as well. I did, so you were crushing

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Speaker 1: Jenny before she was crushing colins and you, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact she says she didn't.

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Speaker 3: They were like, we want to crush cards and we

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Speaker 3: don't know how to do it, and we're like, my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Jenny, Jenny's a crush of dreams and jews.

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Speaker 1: Ginny, you won't like this, but I've done some research

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Speaker 1: during the ad break, But you bloated the public service.

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Speaker 1: And when Jacinda came to power, remember you Cinder, your

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Speaker 1: consultant bill was five hundred and fifty million. By the

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Speaker 1: time she left it was one point twenty seven billion,

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Speaker 1: So you bloated the public service. Plus you hired the consultant,

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Speaker 1: so you can't possibly defend that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you've also had a global pandemic happening in

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Speaker 3: that period, Mic the consultants. Well, when you had to

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Speaker 3: try and roll out of vaccine and get everyone up running,

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Speaker 3: Y said, the bill did go up, but I will

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Speaker 3: say that it got cut way back under National to

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Speaker 3: the point where it's be a bone. So a bit

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Speaker 3: of that building any.

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Speaker 1: Money, We haven't got any money. Make Mark and Cabinet

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Speaker 1: about the tax cuts. Tell us all about those.

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Speaker 4: No, there's been no discussions. Well, we don't discuss what

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Speaker 4: happens in can it. But that's obviously Nicholas going to

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Speaker 4: be looking at all options because the ills you highlighted

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Speaker 4: the last initial government. Under the last initial government we

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Speaker 4: were constantly lorded from being a rock star economy well

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Speaker 4: and that we were taking ours and we're taking ourselves back.

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Speaker 2: We've got a mess of hang over things to you, guys,

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Speaker 2: but we're moving in the right.

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Speaker 3: Direction, driving it deeper into the ground.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, do.

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Speaker 1: You think Mark. We had Rod Duke on from Briscoes

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Speaker 1: earlier on this morning and he reflected, interestingly a lot

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Speaker 1: of what's been said to me privately from leading business people.

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Speaker 1: As much as they may back you or not as

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Speaker 1: much as they may wish you well in doing what

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Speaker 1: you're trying to do the economy, you're not doing enough,

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Speaker 1: you're not going hard enough, and you better get on

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Speaker 1: with it fast or else you're going to get punished.

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Speaker 1: And I can cite yesterday's poll that sort of seems

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Speaker 4: Look, and that's why this year the Prominence has been

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Speaker 4: very clear that it's the top priority for us in

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Speaker 4: terms of unleashing economic growth so that all New Zealanders

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Speaker 4: can get ahead again. And you know, and there's a

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Speaker 4: big plan and that's being rolled out. Were fast tracking

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Speaker 4: projects for economic significance. We're pursuing trade and investment. We're

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Speaker 4: getting rid of red tape. Were making sure people have

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Speaker 4: the skills they need to succeed. So there's going to

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Speaker 4: be a there is a massive focus for us this year.

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Speaker 1: The pole, ginny funnily enough, has you, guys. There's been

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Speaker 1: two poles, both the same people, the people who poll

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Speaker 1: for you, but you're in government now now.

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Speaker 3: The first one wasn't us. I don't think the first

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Speaker 3: one was curier curios.

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Speaker 1: Correct, So both poles have you. They didn't have you

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Speaker 1: in government, this one does, but they have you in

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Speaker 1: government with the Mary Party. Don't the Mary Party freak

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Speaker 1: you out? At some point You've got to get freaked

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Speaker 3: Well, they don't freak me out as much as the

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Speaker 3: police presence here because David Seymour's here. So I think

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Speaker 3: David Seamore is a greater risk to national security right

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Speaker 3: now than just a ridiculous state.

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Speaker 1: Why can't why can't you go to a treaty ground

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Speaker 1: just just deal with David Seymour as a human being

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Speaker 1: who might have a different opinion from you. Why does

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Speaker 3: I think that's a good point and I think approach.

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Speaker 4: It's been taken up for here too by the one

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Speaker 4: and I have to do a massive shout out to

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Speaker 3: Well apart the Prime Minister hasn't fronted up, Mark.

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Speaker 1: I'm not fronting up either. We're all having a day off.

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Speaker 4: Today is going to be with them today.

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Speaker 3: You should get but today isn't Why Tonguey day. Today

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Speaker 3: is the political pull forty. There's absolutely no reason why

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Speaker 3: I couldn't have gone today and then gone to why

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Speaker 3: Tony and tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: The reality is, might I agree with You've got the

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Speaker 4: married party coming out saying that they're going to put

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Speaker 4: it all powerful commissioner over the top of a democratically

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Speaker 4: they're going to be partners who's going to have to

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Speaker 4: explain it?

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Speaker 3: I think you have said of drumming that up a webat, Mark.

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Speaker 3: I think that a regular.

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Speaker 1: Commissioner who does nothing apart from put out press releases,

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Speaker 1: or is it a commissioner with power? And that is

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Speaker 1: with power. You've got trouble, Genny, because you wouldn't want that,

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Speaker 1: would you.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no detail because they haven't announced that, and

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Speaker 3: they're their own party and they're entitled to have their views,

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Speaker 3: but there's absolutely no detail as to how that would

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Speaker 3: work right now.

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Speaker 2: So they'll be your partner in government. So you're going

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Speaker 2: to have to figure that one out, Jenny.

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Speaker 3: I will have to wait and see if that happens.

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Speaker 3: As you say, when we ask you about stupid things

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Speaker 3: that David Seymour or wants to be are, yes, I

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Speaker 3: am it white.

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Speaker 1: Have you had it fun so far? Was it a

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Speaker 1: nice one? I mean, it's beautiful place to be apart

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Speaker 1: from anything else, isn't it? It is starting it's a beautiful place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had some lovely visits. We went out to

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Speaker 3: we met with all the kids who are doing the

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Speaker 3: Waker Arma and it's been really lovely, good experience.

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Speaker 2: Cool. What about you make yes? Same?

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Speaker 4: I mean yesterday we did a tour around the north

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Speaker 4: so big shout out for calvity caves where the glow

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Speaker 4: So I visited those three locations yesterday. I met with

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Speaker 2: That is true.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible Mark that given this meeting you're holding

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Speaker 1: at the moment and you're not actually part of it,

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Speaker 1: that you don't need to be at.

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Speaker 2: The meeting of a bit of a bit of a

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Speaker 2: bring to it takes you.

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Speaker 3: We saw housing too, We saw Nazi Jenney's done their

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Speaker 3: own housing so under us whole big social housing and

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Speaker 3: that's just nearly finishing.

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Speaker 1: Were they all pot worth two and a half million dollars?

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Speaker 3: No, there was a big mixture of one's twos threes.

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Speaker 3: But there's a big housing shortage up here and they

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Speaker 3: need more and it's a shame that they're not building

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Speaker 3: more under this cuver.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day, Tom, I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: See you next week. Jenny Anderson, Mark Metrolin.

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